The final SUPERMAN trailer!

[Tuukka]

http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns/superman_returns-tlr2_h.640.mov

I've been supportive of this film, but I have to say that the final trailer is very underwhelming. It doesn't feel epic at all, there are no memorable moneyshots and the drama scenes all seem to be "off". Also, it just doesn't jive well with me how this film is marketed as a straight sequel to a 30 year old film... It's like they expect everyone has seen Donner's Superman just recently and this is the "PART 2!" of a continuing series. It feels awkward.

The trailer just lacked a sense of wonder and had a pretty meh feeling all around. And WHERE THE HELL did they spend that over 200 million budget? Huh? This looks like a 100 million film at best.

I'm comfortable with trailers which tease and don't show money shots. That's cool. But the problem with this is that it didn't really teaser properly either. Even Superman's introduction is reaaaaally meh. Shouldn't a re-introduction of a legendary character have a big more oomph to it? A bit more mystery? Shouldn't it feel dramatic?

And if not that, then at least give us some money shots.

Blah.

We'll, I'll see it anyway if the reviews are decent.

[ElderPredator]

I know they may not have shown anything but look at the first War of the Worlds trailers, they were the same way. I don't want Singer to reveal all his money shots, that would suck.

I am very happy with the trailer and can't wait to see more!

I can definetely see where the 200 million went, the CGI is very big in it. Even in the Arctic scenes in the beginning, it's an expensive enterprise. Not to mention people's salaries and everything else.

And I have one more thing to say....KEVIN SPACEY WILL RULE!!!

[fooknasty]

Wow! Honestly, I wasn't overly excited to see this movie, but after that trailer. Holy crap!! That was sweet. It looks a lot more down to earth than the older Superman movies, which is a major plus. And Kevin Spacey is going to kick major ass in this movie!!!

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by Tuukka
http://movies.apple.com/movies/wb/superman_returns/superman_returns-tlr2_h.640.mov

I've been supportive of this film, but I have to say that the final trailer is very underwhelming. It doesn't feel epic at all, there are no memorable moneyshots and the drama scenes all seem to be "off". Also, it just doesn't jive well with me how this film is marketed as a straight sequel to a 30 year old film... It's like they expect everyone has seen Donner's Superman just recently and this is the "PART 2!" of a continuing series. It feels awkward.

The trailer just lacked a sense of wonder and had a pretty meh feeling all around. And WHERE THE HELL did they spend that over 200 million budget? Huh? This looks like a 100 million film at best.

I'm comfortable with trailers which tease and don't show money shots. That's cool. But the problem with this is that it didn't really teaser properly either. Even Superman's introduction is reaaaaally meh. Shouldn't a re-introduction of a legendary character have a big more oomph to it? A bit more mystery? Shouldn't it feel dramatic?

And if not that, then at least give us some money shots.

Blah.

We'll, I'll see it anyway if the reviews are decent.

what the hell are you talking about that shit was BAD ASS

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
I know they may not have shown anything but look at the first War of the Worlds trailers, they were the same way. I don't want Singer to reveal all his money shots, that would suck.

I am very happy with the trailer and can't wait to see more!

I can definetely see where the 200 million went, the CGI is ver big in it. Even in the Arctic scenes in the beginning, it's an expensive enterprise.

WOTW had a great trailer and it teased succesfully - But the Superman trailer doesn't tease. It shows a huge amount of storyline, but it just all looks underwhelming. WOTW trailer was incredibly dramatic and sold the passion and drama with great effect. Superman trailer does neither.

With modern effects technogoly, creating a CGI ice castle or a CGI plane isn't that expensive. There wasn't even one single money shot in the trailer which would have showed something we don't already see very often in trailers. Hell, Stealth had better money shots in it's trailer, no matter how cheesy it was (And this superman trailer is super cheesy).

My main complaint thought is that the trailer was simply awfully structured. You could edit a good trailer out of the same shots.

It's not exactly a horrible trailer, but it mostly reminds me of the Stealth trailer in fact. Lot's of flying, CGI and cheesy drama scenes. But I though Stealth was dumb fun, and Superman looks like dumb fun as well.

But in all honestly I expected something more. X-Men 3 trailer kicks this trailers ass all over the place.

[ElderPredator]

KEVIN SPACEY IS THE FUCKING MAN!

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5605/new11ky.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
KEVIN SPACEY IS THE FUCKING MAN!

That's another problem I had with the trailer. They should have propably named the film "Luthor" since he seems to have MORE screentime in the trailer than Superman has. And this is somewhat problematic, at least for me. It's as if they lack confidence in their leading man.

[Tuukka]

After watching it for 3 times I came to realization that it's just a really badly structured trailer. The first half goes well, but on the 2nd half it just stops dead several times. The momentum is completely lost after the midpoint and the trailer starts wandering around, not sure where it's going.

The footage itself looks good, it's just badly put together.

They are shooting themselves in the foot with this marketing. I don't really think that this trailer will have much appeal to the mainstream except for the Superman brand name. And considering how ridicilously expensive the film is, they NEED to get the masses in.

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by Tuukka
X-Men 3 trailer kicks this trailers ass all over the place.

That's your opinion. In a few months, let's see if X-MEN 3 lives up to your expectations and if SUPERMAN RETURNS blows us away or not. Personally, I LOVE this trailer. Some amazing shots, and I know that Singer is saving the BIG stuff for the actual movie. I really don't like it when trailers give too much away and I think we're all gonna be amazed come June 30. I'm not sure if I'm gonna like Jimmy Olsen and Lois' kid but that remains to be seen. This is still my most anticpated movie this year and this trailer just only makes me want to see it more! :cool:

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
That's your opinion. In a few months, let's see if X-MEN 3 lives up to your expectations and if SUPERMAN RETURNS blows us away or not. Personally, I LOVE this trailer. Some amazing shots, and I know that Singer is saving the BIG stuff for the actual movie. I really don't like it when trailers give too much away and I think we're all gonna be amazed come June 30. I'm not sure if I'm gonna like Jimmy Olsen and Lois' kid but that remains to be seen. This is still my most anticpated movie this year and this trailer just only makes me want to see it more! :cool:

I wasn't talking about the quality of the actual movies - I was talking about the trailers. X-Men 3 doesn't have a great trailer, but it's good. Superman trailer is barely average. However, this has nothing do with the quality of the movies themselves, nobody has seen them yet.

BTW, I think this trailer gave away way too much. Considering the fact that they don't want to show any moneyshots, they were pretty comfortable showing major story points, even if they didn't really need to.

[ElderPredator]

I know why they edited the trailer the way they did, it's almost exactly like the way the trailer was cut together for the original Superman movie and that is very special.

Also, I love the sequence with the guy on the rooftop with the chaingun. Awesome!

The music is gorgeous as well!

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by Tuukka
I wasn't talking about the quality of the actual movies - I was talking about the trailers. X-Men 3 doesn't have a great trailer, but it's good. Superman trailer is barely average. However, this has nothing do with the quality of the movies themselves, nobody has seen them yet.

BTW, I think this trailer gave away way too much. Considering the fact that they don't want to show any moneyshots, they were pretty comfortable showing major story points, even if they didn't really need to.

That is my whole point on trailers. Sometimes they're better than the movie (Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace) and sometimes they just don't work even though the movie is better (Jurassic Park). I really didn't think they gave too much away...I thought it was common knowledge that Supes has left Earth for an extended period of time. What do you think they gave "too much away"? I think the SR teaser did just that and they following trailer for a movie is supposed to give a little bit more away but not too much. I guess that's where we disagree, and that's fine.

[cocksmokinclerk]

absolutely loved it! i couldn't be happier!

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
That is my whole point on trailers. Sometimes they're better than the movie (Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace) and sometimes they just don't work even though the movie is better (Jurassic Park). I really didn't think they gave too much away...I thought it was common knowledge that Supes has left Earth for an extended period of time. What do you think they gave "too much away"? I think the SR teaser did just that and they following trailer for a movie is supposed to give a little bit more away but not too much. I guess that's where we disagree, and that's fine.

I actually liked the teaser for this film much more. I felt mysterious and dramatic. But anyway, I haven't read anything about the story for this film, but now I know that:

1. Superman has been away from earth for a long period of time (This I did knew).

2. The film tracks down his childhood on earth just like the original film.

3. Lex finds the ice castle and steals Krypton technology to fight Superman.

4. Lois has a husband and a kid.

5. Despite her marriage, Lois and Supes re-start their romance again.

6. Lex kidnaps Lois and her kid to get even with Superman.

7. Lois is falling down on a plane when she is being kidnapped, and is about to die.

8. Superman comes to rescue Lois.

...That seems like an awfully lot of plot points to reveal in a trailer which supposedly tries not to show too much. Now, this all might of course happen before midpoint, but considering how much time it takes to hit those plot points in order, I already know everything that is going to happen in the film at least up until the beginning of the 3rd act.

Doesn't anyone else find it really weird that Routh is never shown talking? Lex and Lois and everyone else has lenghty dialogue lines, but Routh is only given 2 one-word sencentences and one voice-over. That seems REALLY strange to me, as if they don't want to show him talking. I hope they don't lack confidence in his acting skills.

I also think it looks quite strange that the two "big" action sequences of the trailer show a rather standard looking machine gun shooting around in very standard fashion, and the other one shows an airplane falling down from the sky with Supes follwing. The latter is pretty cool, but we've seen stuff like that a lot in the last 10 years.

[Backstabba]

It was....ok

Spacey looks like he'll be alot of fun to watch..

..Action looks ok..

Brandon looks OK as superman...

I really wasn't that impressed, and that dissapoints me....Maybe the trailer will grow on me...Who knows.

[Gullom]

I instantly became a believer that Spacey will be the better Luthor (than Hackman.) (Michael Rosenbaum is pretty good too.)

I think some people had an issue with the Super suit...I can't see why, the flaws any of us saw with the suit are completely invisible now. I'm overwhelmed with how awesome this is. I was literally left in awe.

I think the aspect that sold me was when Superman broke the wing of the plane trying to rescue it. Christopher Reeve's Superman was awesome in his day, but this is how I've always wanted Superman.

I'm very glad the trailer released this late, I would hate to wait much longer than I'm going to have to now that the trailer is available.

[Shockwave]

I was kinda underwhelmed.

It looked like an AWESOME movie.....that i had seen/heard before.

Spacey looks amazing. He even acts like the old movie Luthor! Good shit!:p

[Lost in Space]

Spacey, that crazy son of a bitch, Spacey i am VERY excited

[Kidsilk]

Looks pretty good. I'm not a huge Superman fan, but I am starting warm up a little to SR.

[Shockwave]

..i still want to puke every time i hear Supes cry about how it isnt easy being him.

Spider-man i can see crying abit. But Supes? I sure as hell dont hear Batman bitching!;)

[dman476]

I too was actually disappointed.
It just didn't feel heroic and epic.
Not to say I liked the Batman Begins trailer very much, but the first half of this trailer is useless.
It just doesn't look that great. Of course I will still see it.
But I am more excited to see Casino Royale now.

[nachogrande]

I am officially stoked for this flick

Is it just me or does this look like the original Superman except with a new coat of paint:confused:

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

I just creamed my pants. Awesome trailer. I had a shit eating grin the moment Luthor goes


*SPOILER*



to the Fortress of Solitude






*End Spoiler*


The music was wonderful and made me feel like a kid again. Finally, the true superhero who stands for Truth, Justice and the American way is back!

As Lex says in the trailer, "Bring it on!"

[ilovemovies]

Kevin Spacey is SO going to own this movie! The same way Gene Hackman owned the other Superman movies! :cool:

[cocksmokinclerk]

i just watched it again, i think im gonna be able to die happy after i see this

[darkface]

Originally posted by Tuukka
After watching it for 3 times I came to realization that it's just a really badly structured trailer. The first half goes well, but on the 2nd half it just stops dead several times. The momentum is completely lost after the midpoint and the trailer starts wandering around, not sure where it's going.

The footage itself looks good, it's just badly put together.

They are shooting themselves in the foot with this marketing. I don't really think that this trailer will have much appeal to the mainstream except for the Superman brand name. And considering how ridicilously expensive the film is, they NEED to get the masses in.

I agree fully. I really liked the trailer and am excited to see it because of it, but I agree it's not structured very well. The first half should be fine, but the 2nd half should usually gain momentum and end with some impacting memorizing stuff. Didn't feel like that happened here.

[Raul Duke]

was that Superman or Spiderman 1.5? Jesus, that REEKED of Spiderman

[cocksmokinclerk]

3 times now, still creaming my jeans! i think i might watch the teaser now just to spice things up, cuz i love marlon brandos voice in it, also cuz i got rid of my superman dvds in hopes for the SEs coming out soon! any word yet when those are coming out?

[the clever guy]

loved the trailer...loved the scenes....love this movie. i just hope brandon routh can pull all this off. the sfx looked great in the trailer, i just hope it translates well onto the big screen and doesn't look horribly noticable. oh, and by the way....why are people saying that spacey's lex is like hackjob's lex? spacey is a completely different type of lex which is fantastic. dont get me wrong, i think hackmans a great actor, but his lex was horrible as far as getting as close to the source material as possible. hackman same spacey and lex should not be used in the same sentence. its like saying timothy daltons portrayal of james bond was the same as sean connerys....no!

[bigred760]

Originally posted by fooknasty
Wow! Honestly, I wasn't overly excited to see this movie, but after that trailer. Holy crap!! That was sweet. It looks a lot more down to earth than the older Superman movies, which is a major plus. And Kevin Spacey is going to kick major ass in this movie!!!

Ditto. I was thinking the exact same things. I was one of the people who wasn't too excited about this flick; I still see Reeve as the one and only Superman, but after this trailer - my excitement has gone up substantially. I'm looking forward to this movie a hell of a lot more than I was before.

Is it just me, or does it look that Kevin Spacey is absolutely PERFECT for Lex Luthor?

[ElderPredator]

Originally posted by bigred760

Is it just me, or does it look that Kevin Spacey is absolutely PERFECT for Lex Luthor?

You bet your ass! I think he's a better depiction than Gene Hackman ever did.

Another thing everybody, you might complain now about where the money shots and action scenes are but remember, when Luthor flips open the newspaper in the trailer, the headline says that Superman comes out of nowhere and saves a space shuttle. So I think there is a shit load more action scenes that Bryan will not give away and I'm glad. Also, the summary of the movie says he will also travel to the depths of the ocean. So keep an open mind!

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by bigred760
Is it just me, or does it look that Kevin Spacey is absolutely PERFECT for Lex Luthor?

when i heard they were doing this movie, i said to everybody i know that kevin spacey would make an awesome lex luthor, everybody told me i was crazy and that they should get the kid from smallville, dont get me wrong i love smallville but spacey is PERFECT!!!!!! he's going to rock the fucking house down! and 1 more thing (i'm not trying to nitpick cuz i thnk this looks awsome) but is superman wearing little sneaker type shoes when lois steps on his feet? i can't imagine that they would do that and previous press release photos show him wearing his boots but i couldn't help but notice that

[bigred760]

Originally posted by cocksmokinclerk
when i heard they were doing this movie, i said to everybody i know that kevin spacey would make an awesome lex luthor, everybody told me i was crazy and that they should get the kid from smallville, dont get me wrong i love smallville but spacey is PERFECT!!!!!! he's going to rock the fucking house down!

You got to be kidding!! I like the guy from "Smallville," but he's not a movie Lex Luthor (though I do think he'd be good as a young Prof. Xavier). I completely agree with you that Spacey was ideal (maybe even moreso than Hackman) to play Luthor. His time in the trailer was the best part of the trailer.

[Sigur509]

Kevin Spacey is a bad ass. I now cannot wait to see this, that trailer was awesome.

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by bigred760
You got to be kidding!! I like the guy from "Smallville," but he's not a movie Lex Luthor (though I do think he'd be good as a young Prof. Xavier). I completely agree with you that Spacey was ideal (maybe even moreso than Hackman) to play Luthor. His time in the trailer was the best part of the trailer.

hmm young prof. xavier huh? very nice, i woulda never though of that, i feel the same thing about tom welling, he's great as a young superman but dont ever put that kid in the suit he'll look fucking terrible, as for spaceys part in the trailer being the best part, i will say that i loved it but i loved finally seeing supes in action much better

[Monotreme]

Kevin Spacey is the only reason I'm considering going to see this movie. If his performance is as bad ass as it looks to be from the trailer... I might actually be there.

[Spidey]

The trailer gave me goosebumps.
It was perfect ! I hate trailers that show too much. I want to be surprised when I'm going to see a movie.
I think Superman will have jawdropping scenes. Just because the trailer doesn't show them doesn't mean there won't be any.

[Lord Raiden]

This hasn't been addressed yet to my knowledge, but am I to assume that Clark Kent also returns from an extended period of time? If he is, then Lois, Perry & Jimmy have to win the Dipshits of the Year Awards. And then poor Supes will have to go around kissing everybody at the end of the movie to make 'em all forget!! :D

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
This hasn't been addressed yet to my knowledge, but am I to assume that Clark Kent also returns from an extended period of time? If he is, then Lois, Perry & Jimmy have to win the Dipshits of the Year Awards. And then poor Supes will have to go around kissing everybody at the end of the movie to make 'em all forget!! :D

You assume correctly, but as far as dipshits are concerned, it's really not at all that different than the idea of Bruce Wayne returning to Gotham after years of absence, only to have a guy dressing up as a Bat emerge soon there after. ;)

THE TRAILER

Uh, .... well ...

It's not horrible, but it's not anything spectacular either.

Hopefully, the actual movie is better. Because I have to agree with Tuukka in that the trailer is very underwhelming. And that is something I really didnt want to say as I was really having high hopes for a kickass trailer, but unfortunately that is exactly what I thought after viewing it. The trailer basically sets up the notion that this movie will be less-serious, and more tounge-in-cheek. Especially that last little gag with the "It's a bird! It's a plane! You wanted to see me?". Which I didnt find at all satisfying. Just cheesy. Now as far as Kevin Spacey goes, I was honestly expecting him to play Lex very differently than the Gene Hackman portrayal. But coming off this trailer, it definately appears like, from the impression I got, that his performance will be at the very least, akin to the Hackjob Luthor. Which I am not exactly thrilled about. Sure. Spacey's Luthor will be chewing up scenery like nobody's business, and will no doubt be an entertaining and memorable performance (his "WRONG!" line basically confirms this), but I was expecting something a little bit more of a serious Post-Crisis Lex, and not a over-the-top Jack Nicholson/Joker-type performance. Which again, going off the trailer, appears to be exactly what we'll be getting come June 30th.

I'll see this film regardless of the reservations I have about the movie, simply because it's a Superman movie. But I have to admit that my optimistic expectations for this have definately dropped.

Heoric?
Dramatic?
Epic?
Impressive?
A sense of wonder?

I personally didnt find any of these qualities from watching the trailer.

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
You assume correctly, but as far as dipshits are concerned, it's really not at all that different than the idea of Bruce Wayne returning to Gotham after years of absence, only to have a guy dressing up as a Bat emerge soon there after. ;)


Yes, BUT in this case both Superman and Clark Kent were already known before this absence. Wayne just showed up and then people started to see Bats. So in the case of SR, the Dipshitiness is a lot deeper. :D

[Gullom]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
Yes, BUT in this case both Superman and Clark Kent were already known before this absence. Wayne just showed up and then people started to see Bats. So in the case of SR, the Dipshitiness is a lot deeper. :D

It's just at bad, like in Episode II. When Obi-wan had already had an encounter with Jango Fett, and Jango is on the balcony and then the battle field, and Obi-wan doesn't bring this to anyone's attention.

Apparently the Jedi can have their minds clouded by the dark side pretty easily, if they cannot remember to tell each other that the bad guy used for the cloning is standing on the balcony with a dark jedi, turned Sith.

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman

Heoric?
Dramatic?
Epic?
Impressive?
A sense of wonder?

I personally didnt find any of these qualities from watching the trailer.

well i personally did feel all these to the max!

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
Yes, BUT in this case both Superman and Clark Kent were already known before this absence. Wayne just showed up and then people started to see Bats. So in the case of SR, the Dipshitiness is a lot deeper. :D

You have a point.

The Dipshitiness does run alot deeper in Metropolis than in Gotham. :D

[Gullom]

Heoric?
Dramatic?
Epic?
Impressive?
A sense of wonder?

I personally didnt find any of these qualities from watching the trailer.


First of all, what was everyone expecting that is making them not like the trailer? Something like the video game trailer: Superman fighting the supervillian: Metallo?

•Heroic - most definately, Heroic is Superman

•Dramatic - Well, I'd have to say no, because my impressions of the movie are that it will focus on his return and his fight with Lex. His battling with his feelings for Lois and how she has supposedly moved on will be not the primary focus of the movie.

•Epic - epic is dependant upon perspective, really. LotR, obviously that was Epic, referring to grandscale war scene's. And the fact that PJ was able to capture so much of the book material in the movie, and he made it work.

I'd say that the shot of him trying to save the plane and the wing ripping off was fairly epic, in the sense that technology didn't allow for such things in Reeve's day. That shot looked fantastic.

•Impressive - OH YES! In terms of comparing it to anything else today, you really can't because it's like apple's and oranges. Nothing in hollywood, currently, is like Superman, except maybe The Incredibles, which can't compare, because's it's completely CG.

I found everything in the trailer impressive, because it's the Superman I wanted from the Reeve Quadrilogy.

•A Sense Of Wonder - Based on the video game, I wonder if Lex really isn't the main baddy in the film, if Lex is just a distraction (in the trailer.) After all the trailer shows him saying he's got alien technology, maybe the game trailer is more accurate than we think. Maybe Lex will create Metallo, as depicted in the game. Maybe this is how he uses his Alien technology.

[Gullom]

I think it could be worse...look at what people in the late 70's had for a trailer.

http://www.capedwonder.com/movies/VHSLAN.mov

This is from: Capedwonder.com (http://www.capedwonder.com/newwebsite/pages/multimedia.htm)

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
You have a point.

The Dipshitiness does run alot deeper in Metropolis than in Gotham. :D

Hopefully, the movie will clear this up but I kinda doubt it. :rolleyes:

Yahoo Trailer...Full Screen Option (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=trailer&id=1807839024&intl=us)

[Dogma]

I'm happy because this is the first blockbuster in ages that doesn't feel the need to give away it's money shot

*cough*PEARL HARBOUR*cough*POSEIDON ADVENTURE*

I like the trailer. Sure it was Spacey heavy but I think that they just want people to only have a glimpse of what they're bringing with this new Supes.

Oh, and

"WRONG!!!"

Genius. Bet you that was improv. Spacey is the man!

[Lord Raiden]

Was it just me or did anyone else catch Ma Kent's line "For...a...reason!" that matches Glenn Ford's exact line from the original? Very nice touch.

Also, if the first 2 movies were a "backstory" for this one...we have to assume that Lex is going back to the Fortress of Solitude since he discovered in II. Maybe he's getting Alzheimer's and forgot what he found in...eh, what was I saying?

I'm kidding!! All joking aside, STILL can't wait for this epic to come out.

[Shockwave]

Bring.

Back.

Zodd.


Thats all i have to say.;)

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Bring.

Back.

Zodd.


Thats all i have to say.;)

sequels buddy, sequels, we can only hope cuz i hope for zod too!

[NuclearMisfit]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Bring.

Back.

Zodd.


Thats all i have to say.;)


AGREED! That goes for Smallville too, they keep mentioning him, just bring him back!

[Patrick Bateman]

First of all, what was everyone expecting that is making them not like the trailer? Something like the video game trailer: Superman fighting the supervillian: Metallo?

Well first of all, I appreciate that you took the time out to state what your opinion is regarding some statements I made in a previous post. Second of all, and I can only speak for myself, no. I did not expect, nor wanted to see something similar to the video game trailer. Cant say I was expecting images of Superman fighting Metallo either.

•Heroic - most definately, Heroic is Superman

Under most circumstances, I would agree with you that Superman is heroic.
But in keeping in context with the movie essentially being something of a sequel to Superman II ...

Superman: Good afternoon, Mr. President. Sorry I've been away so long. I won't let you down again.

And then up and leaves for six years.

What the fuck?

•Dramatic - Well, I'd have to say no, because my impressions of the movie are that it will focus on his return and his fight with Lex. His battling with his feelings for Lois and how she has supposedly moved on will be not the primary focus of the movie.

See. My impression is that the film WILL focus on his relationship with Lois, or lack there of. As well as discovery how much the world has moved on. The fact that Lois is now a single mother is going to be no doubt focused in on as well. I dont see the movie focusing in on his fight with Lex as much, however I do think Spacey will be chewing up some scenary with some over-the-top acting, Nicholson style. Which isnt necessarily a good thing if you think about it. But it will be entertaining.

•Epic - epic is dependant upon perspective, really. LotR, obviously that was Epic, referring to grandscale war scene's. And the fact that PJ was able to capture so much of the book material in the movie, and he made it work.

I'd say that the shot of him trying to save the plane and the wing ripping off was fairly epic, in the sense that technology didn't allow for such things in Reeve's day. That shot looked fantastic.

Just because the technology didnt allow for those type of scenes in the Reeve movies isnt really a good argument for something being epic. For instance, there are PLENTLY of remakes floating around that greatly improved on the, what would now be considered primative, special effects that were seen in the originals. But that doesnt necessarily make those scenes, or movies epic. Extravagant? Maybe. Epic? No. Not always.

•Impressive - OH YES! In terms of comparing it to anything else today, you really can't because it's like apple's and oranges. Nothing in hollywood, currently, is like Superman, except maybe The Incredibles, which can't compare, because's it's completely CG.

I found everything in the trailer impressive, because it's the Superman I wanted from the Reeve Quadrilogy.

Fortunately there are some of us who were, and are still impressed with what Donner and Reeve were able to do with S:TM.

In closing, and suffice to say, there are those who found the trailer UNimpressive. Also I wasnt comparing it to anything to be honest with you. Especially something like The Incredibles! I'm not exactly sure why someone would even make that comparison? No. Simply put, the trailer just didnt do it for me. I wanted to like it, but I didnt. Pure and simple.

[Shockwave]

..actualy, i know this might sound silly, but more then Luthor, Braniac, Zodd, ect, ect.....id LOVE to see DOOMSDAY and Supes throw down on a big screen.

Imagine them punching each other and shattering every window in the city. :)

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
what the hell are you talking about that shit was BAD ASS

i just realized that i think this is the first time you and i have agreed on something

[Gullom]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Well first of all, I appreciate that you took the time out to state what your opinion is regarding some statements I made in a previous post. You're Welcome.

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Superman: Good afternoon, Mr. President. Sorry I've been away so long. I won't let you down again.

And then up and leaves for six years.

What the f**k?Yeah, taking off again, that's an eyebrow raiser.

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
Just because the technology didnt allow for those type of scenes in the Reeve movies isnt really a good argument for something being epic. For instance, there are PLENTLY of remakes floating around that greatly improved on the, what would now be considered primative, special effects that were seen in the originals. But that doesnt necessarily make those scenes, or movies epic. Extravagant? Maybe. Epic? No. Not always.



Fortunately there are some of us who were, and are still impressed with what Donner and Reeve were able to do with S:TM.I was not dissing on Reeve's movies, I was trying to point out that Reeve's movies were great, but what technology can do makes what we're going to see in SR is going to be more along the lines of what we have seen in the comics.

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
In closing, and suffice to say, there are those who found the trailer UNimpressive. Also I wasnt comparing it to anything to be honest with you. Especially something like The Incredibles! I'm not exactly sure why someone would even make that comparison? No. Simply put, the trailer just didnt do it for me. I wanted to like it, but I didnt. Pure and simple. Sorry the incredibles are the only good example I could think of, as far as superhero movies are concerned.

[MrPhox]

Kevin Spaceys performance so far = Awesome.

I don't care if the plot or script sucks -- it looks stunning and Kevin Spacey had me laughing with that last bit of traielr dialogue.

"no, not that part."
lois: "superman will--"
"WRONG!"

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Yeah, taking off again, that's an eyebrow raiser.

I think the idea is that he just needs to know for sure that his planet's gone and that there are no others like him. Like he says in the trailer, "It's not easy being who I am." How could it be? Some may cite his powers, but powers don't help you to cope with being an alien in another world. In fact, being an alien in another world could hinder possible relationships with those you love (i.e. Lois).

I believe the idea is that he always intended to come back. Unlike in Superman II where he was willing to leave the world of superherodom forever and live a life with Lois, this time he always intended to come back.

Of course, that's just my guess.

[soda]

Originally posted by Shockwave
..actualy, i know this might sound silly, but more then Luthor, Braniac, Zodd, ect, ect.....id LOVE to see DOOMSDAY and Supes throw down on a big screen.

Imagine them punching each other and shattering every window in the city. :)

Then you should read comics, in particular, IC #7, where just that happens right after Green Arrow says "look, up in the sky". Kal-L and Kal-el BOTH hit Doomsday, at the same time! How much cooler do you want to get than that?

And that brings me to this trailer. In a nutshell, my comment above is my problem with this trailer. When Green Arrow says "look, up in the sky" as he's wondering what to do about Doomsday, I felt it. I instinctively looked up to the sky. When I saw that as the tag-line to the SR trailer? Not so much. (course, it probably didn't help that I read IC #7 first, then watched the trailer right after). As for the specifics of this trailer, where to begin?

- first of all, it looks like the people who do costume design for SR got Kevin Spacey's Lex Luthor one of those Jim Lee supervillian trenchcoats that were on sale at the Gotham City Burlington Coat factory during HUSH. That's okay, Spacy looks cool in anything, even if it does look like a cross between HUSH and Dick Tracey.

- any concerns I had about Brandon Routh are officially gone. The man looked so much like Chris Reeves at various times during the trailer, that I had to squint to make sure it was still him. Looks like Routh will do just fine.

All in all, I'd have to agree with the folks who believed this trailer was underwhelming, and poorly edited. fortunately, the people who market a movie aren't the ones who make it, and I have faith in Singer. This trailer was a poor effort, but I'll still see the movie opening day. I suspect Patrick will too.

[AmunRaTRON]

im still not terribly in love with this film and thats because i really dont like supes to begin with, however i do thinkg brandons going to do great, he and reeves were never the best for the role of supes imho beacuse niether of them seem to be impressing the subtle sense of strength of charecter when in costume, however that being said, i really hope brandon doesnt just try to imitate reeves and trys to make clark his own charecter. not that different from the comics though but not chris' supes

[Gullom]

I showed my 2 yr old the trailer last night...

A little background: he's got Superman PJ's, and we gave him a Superman coloring book for Easter.

We'll ask him if he's super and he'll (in the best 2 yr old way he can) point at his chest (no matter what he's wearing) and say "right here"...where the "S" shield is.

Also he loves it when I make him "fly" and hum the theme song at the same time (especially when he's in his PJ's.)

...anyway, my kid loves Superman.

We showed him the full length trailer last night and when he started flying in the trailer, I asked him who that was on the screen, and he pointed with both fingers at the trailer yelled "MAN! MAN! MAN!" & clapped. He did this twice...it was great!

[KrazyK2323]

I do not know a lot of background on the comics or anything but I never was a huge fan of the original movies. But I was not looking forward to this one a lot and my interest has raised a bit by this trailer. I am somewhat looking forward to this movie and in the spirit of summer blockbusters it will get my money when it drops.

[Lazy Boy]

What an awful trailer.

Seriously. I would take the teaser any day over this. Spacey looks like a grade A ham.

The structure of the trailer was oddly paced, with cheesy humor and bad visuals. What is this, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow?

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
What an awful trailer.

Seriously. I would take the teaser any day over this. Spacey looks like a grade A ham.

The structure of the trailer was oddly paced, with cheesy humor and bad visuals. What is this, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow?



Wow, that takes some serious balls to compare the Visuals to SCATWOT becasuse Sky Captian was hyped to the max but didn't live up to it. But, this seriously looks like it will live up to the hype and have gorgous shots. Also, WHY ALL THE HATE on Kevin. He looks fucking great in this.

[Digifruitella]

Gotta agree with Lazy Boy about the odd trailer (minus the comparison to Sky Captain)

I thought the trailer was weak, VERY weak. For a movie like Superman with the second half of its title being "Returns" you would think they'd at least TRY to make the trailer have some relation to its' name.

They should've took notice of the great trailer for Batman Begins.

[Lazy Boy]

I guess its considered having "balls" to go against the popular grain and not say "OMG Superman AWESOME" immediately. ;)

Yeah, it's just a trailer, but nothing inspires me or gives confidence that this will be good. A film should appeal to those outside of the comic book loop or those who don't follow the mythology as well. This hasn't done it, yet.

[ilovemovies]

Now that I've seen the full trailer all I can say is: :eek: WOW! That totally kicked ass! This WILL be the movie of the summer!

And Kevin Spacey may be a little hammy but he still looks like he is totally going to own this movie! He just looks great, just like the movie itself! June 30th can't get here soon enough! :cool:

[Shockwave]

I like a hammy Lex Luthor as long as he can pull off "menacing" as well when the need calls for it.

Luthor in Superman 2 was hammy AND menacing, while in Supes 1 he came off as just flat out hammy...to me at least.

[Eragon]

'grabs tent and Pop Tarts to the theater

':D :D :D

[NightStalkerGtx]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
What an awful trailer.

Seriously. I would take the teaser any day over this. Spacey looks like a grade A ham.

The structure of the trailer was oddly paced, with cheesy humor and bad visuals. What is this, Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow?

Agree with you 100%, that was awful. When this trailer appeared last night when i saw MI3 the crowd were silent and afterwards, you can hear about 1000 people saying how stupid and bad it looks.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
Agree with you 100%, that was awful. When this trailer appeared last night when i saw MI3 the crowd were silent and afterwards, you can hear about 1000 people saying how stupid and bad it looks.

Haha, yeah sure. Everyone just thought it looked bad. :rolleyes:

Seriously folks, being silent after a trailer is nothing new. How many times have you seen people hooting and hollering after a trailer? Very rare.

And, oh yeah. I'm sure you heard a 1000 people talking about how bad it looks. This is what we call a biased look at the "situation."

[Shockwave]

Ill put it this way.

The movie? Itll rock. I have no doubt.

The trailer? Sucked balls. Zero excitment other then marveling at Spacey as Luthor. (Who is going to OWN this movie like The Joker owned the first Batman!)

[Mr. Fancy Pants]

He's not afraid of getting a bullet in the eye but

HEY WHOA WHOA !! DUCK SUPERMAN!! LOOK OUT FOR THAT AIRPLANE WING!!!

[Mischief_3lf]

Well, I didn't think the trailer was horrible but it deffenately didn't make me wanna go see it. I never really had much intrest in superman but I thought this movie would change that but none of the trailers really drew me in. Guess Im just not a Supes fan cause of all the "summer movies" coming out, this is the one I am least excited about.

(should change my avatar :P)

[JplusE]

i am very excited for this movie. i cant wait till it comes out because i am a very big superman fan. granted the trailer was dissapointing, routh's acting looks a little silly and forced. but i am still pulling for this movie.

[Digifruitella]

A moment of silence usually indicates people's daze over what they have just seen. Usually good.

Same thing happened with the Batman Begins trailer. And hey, what do you know, it made $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[ElderPredator]

When I saw it in the theatre before MI:3, everyone cheered after it finished!

[NightStalkerGtx]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Haha, yeah sure. Everyone just thought it looked bad. :rolleyes:

Seriously folks, being silent after a trailer is nothing new. How many times have you seen people hooting and hollering after a trailer? Very rare.

And, oh yeah. I'm sure you heard a 1000 people talking about how bad it looks. This is what we call a biased look at the "situation."

You can take it or believe it, but thats what i heard i could care less what you think, and if you honestly think that looks awesome? please i couldnt tell if that was supposed to be taken seriously or laughed out at how horribly the acting is and the special effects dont even look that great for a movie with a 200 mil budget.

[The Informer]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
You can take it or believe it, but thats what i heard i could care less what you think, and if you honestly think that looks awesome? please i couldnt tell if that was supposed to be taken seriously or laughed out at how horribly the acting is and the special effects dont even look that great for a movie with a 200 mil budget.

How is the acting horrible?

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
You can take it or believe it, but thats what i heard i could care less what you think, and if you honestly think that looks awesome? please i couldnt tell if that was supposed to be taken seriously or laughed out at how horribly the acting is and the special effects dont even look that great for a movie with a 200 mil budget.

The acting looked impressive to me and I didn't se eone shot in the trailer that didn't look real as far as the special effects are concerned and the sets and overall look of the film is quite beautiful if you ask me.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
You can take it or believe it, but thats what i heard i could care less what you think, and if you honestly think that looks awesome? please i couldnt tell if that was supposed to be taken seriously or laughed out at how horribly the acting is and the special effects dont even look that great for a movie with a 200 mil budget.

Bad acting? Where?

Bad special effects? Where?

$200 Million budget? Singer refuted that ages ago.

[Shockwave]

My only gripe is that he still looks like SuperBOY to me. A far cry from the steel jawed guy in the comics.

..how long was he gone for? A year?:p

[soda]

Originally posted by Shockwave
My only gripe is that he still looks like SuperBOY to me. A far cry from the steel jawed guy in the comics.

..how long was he gone for? A year?:p

Right, it's Superman.... one year later (sorry, couldn't resist)

[Shockwave]

The One Year Later stuf in DC IS kicking ass right now. They are maturing as a company right now more then Marvel is.


Im wondering that if this does awesome just how long itll be till we see Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman.

[soda]

Originally posted by Shockwave
The One Year Later stuf in DC IS kicking ass right now. They are maturing as a company right now more then Marvel is.


Im wondering that if this does awesome just how long itll be till we see Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman.

wonder woman - coming summer, 2007. We've been speculating endlessly, on this and other forums, over who will win the title role (should be announced soon). The film is being produced by the WB, and is written and directed by Joss Wheddon. If you don't know who Joss Wheddon is, get off this forum, right now, seriously. He's

-the guy who made Buffy the vampire slayer.

- angel.

- firefly. and who wrote and directed the movie serenity

- and, maybe most importantly, he's the guy who writes Astonishing X-men, the best X-comic on the market right now.

Green Lantern - there were some rumblings, a long time ago, about a "funny" GL movie (I'm guessing along the lines of "the green loontern") starring Jack Black. Fortunately, when Catwoman bombed at the box, a lot of other bad box office ideas went with it. More recently, there's been a rumor that has Goeff Johns attached to writing a script for a new GL movie, haven't heard much else about it but that.

I would say that a Flash and GL movie is inevitable. If they do Flash, I'd like for any movie to involve Mark Hamill as the trickster, in some way.

[Shockwave]

I knew about Josh and own Firefly and Serenity. Great stuff.

I was also aware he was attached to Wonder Women when it was going to happen, but thought it was in temp development hell.:(

[Jessica3000]

Kevin Spacey is awesome and no doubt will be great in this..just seeing him in the trailer made me excited to see the film, he seems perfect for the role and just has so much charisma.

I still say that Rachel McAdams would have made a good Lois Lane..but I digress. Kate Bosworth looks okay for the part and I won't judge the casting until I see the film :)

[NightStalkerGtx]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Bad acting? Where?

Bad special effects? Where?

$200 Million budget? Singer refuted that ages ago.

Bad Acting- Pretty much the whole trailer, Kevin Spacey looks fucking horrible, and sound cheesy in every line he says, When he screamed I was like "wtf?", the whole thing at the end with "its a bird", ETC and then Clark walks in felt so fucking forced and cheesy, this is going to be this years fantastic four.

Bad Special Effects- everything in there looks extremely cartoonish, in a not so good way a k a the hulk way.

[The Informer]

Originally posted by NightStalkerGtx
Bad Acting- Pretty much the whole trailer, Kevin Spacey looks fucking horrible, and sound cheesy in every line he says, When he screamed I was like "wtf?", the whole thing at the end with "its a bird", ETC and then Clark walks in felt so fucking forced and cheesy, this is going to be this years fantastic four.

Bad Special Effects- everything in there looks extremely cartoonish, in a not so good way a k a the hulk way.

Did we watch the same trailer?:confused:

[Gullom]

Originally posted by The Informer
Did we watch the same trailer?:confused: I was thinking the same thing.

[NightStalkerGtx]

Originally posted by Gullom
I was thinking the same thing.

Yes.

[soda]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I knew about Josh and own Firefly and Serenity. Great stuff.

I was also aware he was attached to Wonder Women when it was going to happen, but thought it was in temp development hell.:(

I think that WW will happen, and that it will happen on schedule in 2007. From what I heard, Wheddon was still fine-tuning the script, of course, this might easily wind up back in limbo, like so many other projects, but I doubt it this time. WB drove up to Wheddon's house with a truckload of money to convince him to make WW instead of X3, there seems to be a lot of momentum behind making this project. As for casting, I think you can expect an announcement about who gets the title part during San Diego Comic-con this year. I'll be there, and I'll keep an eye on it.

Wheddon is the man, and I think people are going to look at WW next year the same way they saw Spidey one a few years ago (not saying it will be Spidey one big, but I think WW will be huge). Stay tuned.

[ElderPredator]

Originally posted by Gullom
I was thinking the same thing.

Same here, I think we're in a different dimension than him.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by soda
I think that WW will happen, and that it will happen on schedule in 2007. From what I heard, Wheddon was still fine-tuning the script, of course, this might easily wind up back in limbo, like so many other projects, but I doubt it this time. WB drove up to Wheddon's house with a truckload of money to convince him to make WW instead of X3, there seems to be a lot of momentum behind making this project. As for casting, I think you can expect an announcement about who gets the title part during San Diego Comic-con this year. I'll be there, and I'll keep an eye on it.

Wheddon is the man, and I think people are going to look at WW next year the same way they saw Spidey one a few years ago (not saying it will be Spidey one big, but I think WW will be huge). Stay tuned.

The only thing that worries me about the Wonder Woman adaptation is that Whedon pretty much let it be known that he wasn't a fan of the monthly comics, and has stated that the villain will be an "original" one.

ifMagazine.com talked to Joss Whedon at the Saturn Awards on Tuesday and he gave an update on his Wonder Woman feature:

"It's sort of shifting under me," says Whedon. "I'm doing more rewriting on this than I am used to. Finding her was fun, and finding the structure of the film was incredibly difficult and fun. I am not bringing in any villains that anyone knows. I will not be bringing in any of the rogues gallery from the comic book. The villain is original to the film."

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
Same here, I think we're in a different dimension than him.


He is light years away.

[soda]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
The only thing that worries me about the Wonder Woman adaptation is that Whedon pretty much let it be known that he wasn't a fan of the monthly comics, and has stated that the villain will be an "original" one.

That would bug me too, if it were anyone else but Joss Wheddon, keep in mind:

-he invented a new, great villian for practically every season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer

and

- he wrote of the most tear-jerking reunions in comic book history with

http://chrisnolan.ca/photos_loc/blog/00000226/thumbs/tn__ASTONISHING%20X-MEN_6image_big.jpg

- gave us a freaky new take on a brand new villian (danger room as a sentient x-villian) and gave us one of the coolest scenes in history (chuck with a truck, that's all I'll say) in

http://www.thexaxis.com/astonishingxmen/astonishingxmen12.jpg

Here's a pic of danger, BTW:

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Grimm22/danger_girl.jpg

- and finally, he re-invented another classic x-rogue (the hellfire club) in:

http://www.zonanegativa.com/imagen/1085.jpg

bottom line: Joss Wheddon has earned this fan's "benefit of the doubt", if he wants to remake WW's rogues, let him. Flash villians sucked until Geoff Johns came along and re-made them cool, and I seriously doubt people are clamoring for a big screen version of cheetah or giganta.

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by soda
bottom line: Joss Wheddon has earned this fan's "benefit of the doubt", if he wants to remake WW's rogues, let him. Flash villians sucked until Geoff Johns came along and re-made them cool, and I seriously doubt people are clamoring for a big screen version of cheetah or giganta.

Very well said, Soda. Like you, I have complete faith that Whedon will bring in a good, if not great WW movie. Although, I admit, that I did think he was better suited for X3 (considering his work in the funnybooks), however I cant say i was at all disappointed upon hearing his name announced as the man that would ultimately helm the upcoming WW movie. Cheetah and Giganta aside, an original WW villain created by Whedon sounds very interesting indeed.

I suppose this means we can count out Egg-Fu as well? ;)

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
$200 Million budget? Singer refuted that ages ago.

Singer can refute all he likes, but a $200 Million budget isnt at all totally out of the question. Months ago, Singer quoted a unofficial $185 Million dollar budget, but also noted that the budget would likely climb due to the many visual effects and variables that do often occur with a movie such as this.
And when one considers the millions spent on various past pre-productions prior to Singer's jumping on board (which is rumored to be somewhere around 65 million), along with advertising and what not, it should be all too apparent that this is one of the, if not THE most expensive movie projects that WB has ever been associated with.

In short, has the millions spent bringing a new Superman movie to the silver screens been excessive?

Well, to quote Bill Murray from Ghostbusters;

"I'd call that a big, yes."

:D

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

The thing is, the pre-productions of past Superman projects won't even be taken into account. WB isn't gonna expect to make money back on the failed Burton, McG and Ratner projects. That'd be silly.

Look at New Line's Freddy vs. Jason. Numerous drafts, numerous pre-productions. But those weren't factored into the overall budget of the film that we got.

I'd suspect that it might be close to $200 million, but not quite. And that high a budget isn't outrageous considering Spider-man 2 had the same budget. It's when people start claiming that the budget is $250-300 million that makes me roll my eyes. ;)

As far as Wonder Woman is concerned, soda's revamped my faith in the project. Honestly, I don't read Astonishing X-men (I only follow a few titles, most of them DC), but if Whedon's as good at creating new villains as soda says he is, then I'll trust him. :)

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
The thing is, the pre-productions of past Superman projects won't even be taken into account. WB isn't gonna expect to make money back on the failed Burton, McG and Ratner projects. That'd be silly.

It's pretty much like any other project that's had a long stay in pre-production/developmental hell. The studio may not look to gain back the money spent, but I'm sure it's a very nice thought. Still, the cash that WB has spent on this project for the better part of 10 years is simply absurd.

However, atleast WB brought in Legendary Pictures to co-finance the film. That way, by partnering up and spreading the risk around, Warner Bros. Pictures can display fiscal responsibility. And as far as FvsJ goes, I sincerely doubt New Line went thru the sheer excess that WB did with Superman, but then again I didnt follow that project as closely. :)

I'd suspect that it might be close to $200 million, but not quite. And that high a budget isn't outrageous considering Spider-man 2 had the same budget. It's when people start claiming that the budget is $250-300 million that makes me roll my eyes. ;)

$250-300 million does seem kinda high.
Unfortunately there is a number of websites reporting a $250 million dollar budget, so you really cant blame people for thinking that.
$200 million isnt quite so bad, but in the case of Spider-Man 2, I believe that film's $200 million dollar price tag was a bit more justifiable than this one, considering what a huge success the first effort was.

[bigred760]

Well, the third Spider-man movie is budgeted at $250 million. Does that mean that Superman Returns sequels' budgets will be around $300 million? It's not uncommon for sequels to have bigger budgets.

[soda]

on how much SR costs.

I have a dumb question: why do any of us really care how much SR costs? I'm a very bottom line fan, I cared a great deal how much Batman Begins costs only so that it would make a huge profit, and get a sequel greenlit, with Christopher Nolan having creative control. Beyond that? I don't give a farthing how much it makes. I hope SR does well enough to give Singer control over a sequel, I hope this isn't the last movie in this series, that's all. Singer's X2 was a lot better than X1, as it seemed like he learned from mistakes made in the first movie. I hope SR is good. I know patrick has some doubts about this film, but the money that was spent on it has been spent, I'm only worried about how much it makes insofar as that affects the future of the franchise.

As for as WW, last thing I'll say about this: I'm convinced this is the next big hit, the next Spiderman waiting to happen. WW has got just about everything going for it, including the perfect person to spearhead the job, and a guy with total creative control (don't think Wheddon has total control? I heard WB drove up to his house with a dumptruck full of money to convince him to take WW over X3, he's got leverage to get total control), who happens to be the most qualified man on the planet to make this film. Movies with great odds have bombed in the past, sure, but I'm optomistic about WW.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Patrick Bateman
[B] And as far as FvsJ goes, I sincerely doubt New Line went thru the sheer excess that WB did with Superman, but then again I didnt follow that project as closely. :)



Oh, I'm sure New Line didn't spend as much as WB did concering their respective franchises (if I remember correctly, sets were actually being built for the Burton film). However, New Line did have about 10 different drafts before Shannon and Swift came along. They hired numerous directors (including make up artist Rob Bottin and Stephen Norrington) as well as writers. Englund was even called in for a make up test at one time. So quite a bit of money, although admittedly not as much as what WB spent on failed Superman projects. :)

And soda, just wanted you to know that your post about Whedon's writing in the Astonishing X-men comics caused me to go out and pick them up today. Haven't gotten around to reading them yet, but I must say they look great. Can't wait to read em. :)

[Patrick Bateman]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Oh, I'm sure New Line didn't spend as much as WB did concering their respective franchises (if I remember correctly, sets were actually being built for the Burton film). However, New Line did have about 10 different drafts before Shannon and Swift came along. They hired numerous directors (including make up artist Rob Bottin and Stephen Norrington) as well as writers. Englund was even called in for a make up test at one time. So quite a bit of money, although admittedly not as much as what WB spent on failed Superman projects. :)

Jeez! I had no idea the whole saga of bringing FvsJ to the silver screen went thru such an extent such as that. I was aware of the film being in developmental hell for what? 9-10 years? And that New Line had problems finding a script that everyone liked. But again, I was very much UNaware that FvsJ went thru such a process in finally being realized.

I appreciate you informing me on that. :cool:

[soda]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger

And soda, just wanted you to know that your post about Whedon's writing in the Astonishing X-men comics caused me to go out and pick them up today. Haven't gotten around to reading them yet, but I must say they look great. Can't wait to read em. :)

Good for you :) I'll turn all of you movie fans into comic fans yet.

Astonishing x-men is my personal favorite x-comic. I'm not old enough to remember the Claremont / Brynes stuff of the 70s, but from what I'm told, by people who have been around, Wheddon has taken what Claremont and Brynes did and modernized it, brought it to the next level, and I wholeheartedly agree with that assesment. The thing about Wheddon's x-men is that every single character sounds unique, sounds like you always pictured them sounding. The flaw that x-comics have had, more so than any other, the last twenty years is lack of articulate characterization, where poor writers treat the x-characters as interchangeable.

If anyone on here reads Justice, by Alex Ross, Astonishing x-men is the Justice of the marvel universe. Justice is the best portrayal I have ever seen of the classic, silver age satelite era Justice league. It's the justice league at it's timeless, idealized, best. Astonishing x-men is that for the x-men of the marvel universe, it reads a lot like a "greatest hits" x-comic, a stylized, idealized, timeless version of the x-men, the x-men we all know, grew up with and love. I'll stop now, read it for yourself and tell me what you think.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

First TV Spot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8c9a_Lsp6M)

A lot of old stuff, but some new including *SPOILERS BELOW*





some Lex stabbing Superman action!




*End Spoiler*


And soda, I must say that I loved Whedon's Astonishing X-men. Definitely a title I'll keep picking up. :)

[JplusE]

that tv spot is betta then the trailer.

[NightStalkerGtx]

The budget for this movie was 261 mil!!!! This looks like a 20 mil movie.