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Lynn7
05-03-2006, 04:28 PM
Soda Distributors to End Most School Sales

By SAMANTHA GROSS
The Associated Press
Wednesday, May 3, 2006; 2:11 PM



NEW YORK -- The nation's largest beverage distributors have agreed to halt nearly all sales of sodas to public schools _ a step that will remove the sugary, caloric drinks from vending machines and cafeterias around the country.

The agreement was announced Wednesday by the William J. Clinton Foundation and will also likely apply to many private and parochial schools.

"This is a bold step forward in the struggle to help 35 million young people lead healthier lives," former President Clinton said at a news conference. "This one policy can add years and years and years to the lives of a very large number of young people."

Under the agreement, the companies also have agreed to sell only water, unsweetened juice and low-fat milks to elementary and middle schools. Diet sodas would be sold only to high schools.

"I don't think anyone should underestimate the influence this agreement will have," Susan Neely, president and CEO of the American Beverage Association, which has signed onto the deal, said earlier Wednesday. "I think other people are going to want to follow this agreement because it just makes sense."

The agreement should reach an estimated 87 percent of the public and private school drink market, Neely said. Industry giants Cadbury Schweppes PLC, Coca-Cola Co. and PepsiCo Inc. and the ABA have signed on. Officials said they hope companies representing the other 13 percent of the market would follow suit.

The Alliance for a Healthier Generation, a collaboration between Clinton's foundation and the American Heart Association, helped broker the deal.

"The soft drink industry has decided that it won't wait to be pushed," said Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, the co-chair of the alliance. "It jumped in. ... It may be the soft drink industry, but they made a very hard decision."

The move follows a mounting wave of regulation by school boards and legislators alarmed by reports of rising childhood obesity. Soda has been a particular target of those fighting obesity because of its caloric content and popularity among children.

Still, the deal imposes stricter drink regulations than are currently in place for nearly 35 million public school students.

"This is really the beginning of a major effort to modify childhood obesity at the level of the school systems," said Robert H. Eckel, the president of the Heart Association, adding that the alliance would also be working to put healthier foods in schools.

John Sicher, editor and publisher of Beverage Digest, which compiles extensive data on the beverage industry, said the agreement would have no impact on the $63 billion beverage industry's bottom line.

"The sale of sugar-carbonated sodas in schools is a tiny, tiny part of their overall volume," said Sicher. "Financially, on the big companies, it will have virtually no impact."

He applauded the move, however, saying "The impact is more in terms of responsibility and accountability to the consumer."

Under the agreement, high schools will still be able to sell low-calorie drinks that contain less than 10 calories per serving, as well as drinks that are considered nutritious, such as juice, sports drinks and low-fat milk. The "nutritious" drinks will be limited to 12-ounce servings, Neely said.

Elementary schools will sell 8-ounce servings of the "nutritious" drinks, and middle school kids will get 10-ounce-size drinks.

Whole milk will no longer be offered to any schools, Neely said.

School sales of sports drinks, diet sodas and bottled water have been on the rise in recent years, while sugary soft drink purchases by students have been falling, according to an ABA report released in December. But regular soda, averaging 150 calories a can, is still the most popular drink, accounting for 45 percent of drinks sold in schools in 2005, according to the report.

Diana Garza, a spokeswoman for the Atlanta-based Coca-Cola Co., said in a telephone interview that "these voluntary guidelines escalate ... the shift to lower calorie, more nutritious beverages."

A man who answered the phone at Cadbury Schweppes' London headquarters said no one was available for comment. A call to PepsiCo Inc. was not immediately returned.

The new rules will apply to beverages sold on school grounds during the regular school day and at after-school activities such as band and choir practice, said Jay Carson, a spokesman for ClintonBut sales at events such as school plays, band concerts and sporting events, where a significant portion of the audience are adults, won't be affected, he said.

The deal will be most easily enforced at vending machines, where students buy most of their drinks, Neely said.

How quickly the changes take hold will depend in part on individual school districts' willingness to alter existing contracts, The Alliance for a Healthier Generation said in a release. The companies will work to implement the changes at 75 percent of the nation's public schools before the 2008-2009 school year, and at all public schools a year later.

Dozens of states have considered legislation on school nutrition this year, but about 32 states still have no legislative or regulatory policy regulating the sale of drinks in schools, according to the American Heart Association.

Lawmakers in Connecticut voted last week to prohibit schools from selling regular and diet soda as well as electrolyte replacement drinks such as Gatorade.

The agreement follows an August decision by the ABA to adopt a policy limiting soft drinks in high schools to no more than 50 percent of the selections in vending machines. Unlike the agreement announced Wednesday, that recommendation was not binding.

Most elementary schools are already soda-free.



I have no problem with my kids drinking soda at school. I do have a problem with them drinking diet soda. I've never allowed them to have it. I think this is dumb. Some kids are allergic to the additives in the juices and others are lactose intolerant. Why can't they have the option of getting a soda?

The Postmaster General
05-03-2006, 04:38 PM
I started reading this, knowing full well about the problem parents and teachers have both professional and morally in offering caffeinated nutrient-voided drinks in schools - This soda removal thing always seemed like a good thing to me - Kids are at school to learn, and sodas are basically candy in liquid form. It makes a lot of sense to me, in the day of obesity on the rise, and the concern over nutrition. The only people who've ever supported keeping sodas in schools are the kids and soda manufactures.

So, having seen the title, I knew Lynn was against this. I started off reading, wondering how in the hell she could probably have a problem with this.

Then in no time at all I got to the second paragraph and it became clear:

The agreement was announced Wednesday by the William J. Clinton Foundation



Some kids are allergic to the additives in the juices and others are lactose intolerant. Why can't they have the option of getting a soda?


So, you think the only other option besides cow's milk, and less than 100% fruit juice is a soda.

Whoa. I don't even know where to begin with that.

electriclite
05-03-2006, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Lynn7

I have no problem with my kids drinking soda at school. I do have a problem with them drinking diet soda. I've never allowed them to have it. I think this is dumb. Some kids are allergic to the additives in the juices and others are lactose intolerant. Why can't they have the option of getting a soda?


Well I don't believe it will only be juice and milk schools will be offering. In New York we have a contract with the Snapple corporation to have their product placed in schools and the majority of deli's and grocery stores. They make other flavors besides just juice (like my personal fave Iced Tea)I believe the company also makes a soda now that is made with cane sugar instead of high fructose corn syrup which the majority of sodas are made with.

They're also going to be cutting out a lot of junkfood in schools as well, that's also going on right now in New York. They're offering schools incentives to drop the unhealthy junkfood, including french fries.... which may end up being a problem. People loves their fries.

Criminal Rock
05-03-2006, 04:42 PM
I think Soda is overlooked on how bad it is for your health, so I definitely agree with this move.

Lynn7
05-03-2006, 07:18 PM
I am not against this cause of Clinton. We all have been drinking soda for many years. They sell all kinds of crap at school (cookies, cupcakes, icecream etc) Why is soda being singled out? It's oK for one kid to buy packages of chips or cupcakes but another can't have soda?As far as Snapple is concerned- that is some mighty expensive stuff! A soda is 75 cents or a buck but I think Snapple is much more isn't it?

I am prejudiced on this one cause I hate the fruit juices that are sold in vending machines and I like to have a soda when I'm on break. I hope the kids are allowed to bring their own drinks from home.

electriclite
05-03-2006, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by Lynn7
They sell all kinds of crap at school (cookies, cupcakes, icecream etc) Why is soda being singled out? It's oK for one kid to buy packages of chips or cupcakes but another can't have soda?As far as Snapple is concerned- that is some mighty expensive stuff! A soda is 75 cents or a buck but I think Snapple is much more isn't it?

I am prejudiced on this one cause I hate the fruit juices that are sold in vending machines and I like to have a soda when I'm on break. I hope the kids are allowed to bring their own drinks from home.

They also have water for sale,

I drank soda when I was in highschool myself mainly because it was the only sweet thing available on school grounds. Coincidentally, I also weighed 145 lbs. in highschool (I'm 5'4). I'm more of an iced tea person myself and only drink soda when its the only thing available.

As I said before, they are phasing out junkfood as well. So its ALL junk that is being elimated: cookies, cupcakes, french fries, soda, etc. They're all getting the shaft.

And seriously, where eactly do you live that a can of soda is 75 cents? I haven't seen that price since..... since............... I can't even remember anymore. The vending machine at my college sells them for $1.25.

A bottle of Snapple, depending on where you buy it is about $1.25 - $1.50. Its only expensive if you're a broke college student like myself, but I still drank it. I also drink Arizona Iced Tea and they sell the 23 fl. oz. cans for 99 cents. They make sodas as well made with cane sugar in the same size for the same price.

The Heart Collector
05-03-2006, 07:53 PM
Once again, lardasses fuck America up for the rest of us.

The Postmaster General
05-03-2006, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Lynn7
I am not against this cause of Clinton.

I was just busting your chops with that one.


We all have been drinking soda for many years. They sell all kinds of crap at school (cookies, cupcakes, icecream etc) Why is soda being singled out? It's oK for one kid to buy packages of chips or cupcakes but another can't have soda?As far as Snapple is concerned- that is some mighty expensive stuff! A soda is 75 cents or a buck but I think Snapple is much more isn't it?

I am prejudiced on this one cause I hate the fruit juices that are sold in vending machines and I like to have a soda when I'm on break. I hope the kids are allowed to bring their own drinks from home.


Yeah, overall I think people should just be eating less sweets. You look at the food pyramid (at least the old one, I don't remember the new one) and sugar is really really tiny. When this is left up to kids, they would, as they've shown, put the sweets where the grains should go, and it just becomes anarchy.

I'm with you in that I love my soda. I drink a very unhealthy amount, like before bed and in the middle of the night - like that. So I mean, I really LOVE soda, but it's a bad choice. I'd say sweet foods are even a bit better, because the thing with soda is that people will drink it as a sub for water, and not get enough of that good stuff. .

The thing for me though - when I was a kid, you know what we complained about? When the water fountain wasn't cold enough. In high school we had a soda machine, but it was off limits except during certain times. I don't really get why we should be fighting for kids' rights to drink soda pop. I'm sure they can still bring it from home - that's always been the case.

You know - what will come next? We'll be worried that the kids can't have a cup of coffee before study hall? I think this is a pretty silly concern.

Lynn7
05-03-2006, 09:33 PM
It's not like the kids are drinking soda all day long. They might have one for lunch and then after school for activities. And the older kids might work and have their own money but the younger kids have to rely on their parents to give them the money.When I was in school my parents gave me a specific amount of money each day for lunch. I just don't like this trend of where people are deciding for other people what they can do or not. But here on the other hand the very people who would take away sweets are encouraging kids to pick up condoms in school. The schools should be in the business of teaching not in the business of parenting.

Criminal Rock
05-03-2006, 09:47 PM
The OPTION TO DRINK a can of cola at school is still available to the students, but the ABILITY TO GET one at school isn't. There's a difference.

The day they start banning the product completely, is the day your argument becomes a valid one.

TheDeadWalk
05-03-2006, 10:08 PM
Cookies, chips and candybar companies do not generally do not give schools funding. (Exception apparently, Cadbury, perhaps others)

But main industry giants Pepsi and Coca-Cola are willing to give schools extra money in exchange for exclusive sale of their product.

In Ohio, voters in each district vote on "School levies" which either increase or reduce the school's funding by renewing/or not, or approving a new levy or turning it down. Schools usually have a difficult time getting levies voted on, because people look at public school and find it synonmous with babysitting.

The same people that turn down these school levies shout "Oh my God! Get Pepsi out of the school system!" I really hate that shit. The people don't want the schools to get tax money, but they'll be damned if Pepsi Cola gives schools corporate funding.

Where are they supposed to get their money from, then? Oh wait... I remember this discussion last time: Good teachers is all they need. Because kids don't really need reading books, text books (accurate and non-outdated), chalk/dry-erase boards, computers with printers, internet access, copy machines/transparency machines for teachers, sufficient heating for the winter, appropriate lunchrooms, an adequate number of classrooms, roofs that don't cave in, and everything else I've neglected to mention.

Schools tried to out-smart the system by going to corporations for funding, and now it's bad, so let's get the pop out of the schools. Without funding, schools over a long enough timeline will eventually fail. Failing schools get what funding they have revoked for being "failing" via the "No Child Left Behind Act", and then the Republicans get to take that money and distribute it out to select students in a certain quota of districts for free private school vouchers. Clinton being involved in this pisses me off.

TheDeadWalk
05-03-2006, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
The OPTION TO DRINK a can of cola at school is still available to the students, but the ABILITY TO GET one at school isn't. There's a difference.

The day they start banning the product completely, is the day your argument becomes a valid one.

The refusal to sell the product during school hours could remove contract funding from industry giants to the schools. You're only going to allow probably 2 hours before school starts, and then the 2-3 hours after school (up to when sports teams leave) to buy the product. The extra 6-8 hours in-between makes a huge difference to how much money Pepsi will give your school.

The Postmaster General
05-03-2006, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Lynn7
I just don't like this trend of where people are deciding for other people what they can do or not. But here on the other hand the very people who would take away sweets are encouraging kids to pick up condoms in school. The schools should be in the business of teaching not in the business of parenting.


The difference is that they are giving the kids only one choice, and that's to have some soda, and we all agree soda isn't the best choice for anyone to be making. On the other hand, school teach about abstinence, and pretty much every other form of birth control already. Schools can't prescribe birth control pills or implant those thing-a-mer-jingers. They can, though offer healthy alternatives to soda and that seems to be what they are doing.

Look, the companies are the ones volunteering to do this, under pressure I'm sure, but still - what's the big deal? The Soda Police? Man, they only live inside your head.

RicochetShaw
05-04-2006, 04:57 AM
Originally posted by electriclite
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And seriously, where eactly do you live that a can of soda is 75 cents? I haven't seen that price since..... since............... I can't even remember anymore. The vending machine at my college sells them for $1.25.

A bottle of Snapple, depending on where you buy it is about $1.25 - $1.50. Its only expensive if you're a broke college student like myself, but I still drank it. I also drink Arizona Iced Tea and they sell the 23 fl. oz. cans for 99 cents. They make sodas as well made with cane sugar in the same size for the same price.


Soda here (Texas) costs 50 cents per can most places. You sometimes see 75 cents but that's on the high end. I guess it's compensation for being a crappy place to live.

Arizona drinks are in fact great. Ever tried the anti-stress tea brew? The stuff works wonders.



And yes, soda is cataclysmically bad for your health. I stopped drinking it at about age 12, after having 1 or 2 a day everyday. Now I can't even drink the stuff because it just tastes so unhealthy. I think this HS thang is a move in the right direction. I mean, c'mon they're (for the most part), not even 18. They don't have most of the rights American citizens have anyways, so it's not like we're doing them some great injustice.

SpongeBod
05-04-2006, 08:38 AM
http://www.ggy.uga.edu/facilities/fountain/cooler.jpg
This is what we had at school, and we were damn thankful to have it.
Especially, after walking uphill (both ways) to school.

TheDeadWalk
05-04-2006, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by SpongeBod
http://www.ggy.uga.edu/facilities/fountain/cooler.jpg
This is what we had at school, and we were damn thankful to have it.
Especially, after walking uphill (both ways) to school.

I agree with you. If a school doesn't want to sell pepsi or coke products, I don't care.

If a school doesn't want to sell pepsi or coke products. Period.

The Postmaster General
05-04-2006, 12:45 PM
Yeah, I'm doubting how this is even politically relevant. This is like an issue you'd read editorials on in a school newspaper, right under how the faculty won't open up the quad in the mornings to let people hang out before school.

bigred760
05-04-2006, 02:16 PM
I'm assuming it's alright for kids to bring sodas from home to school along with their packed lunches and all, right? Of course, then everyone can point the finger at their parents and blame them for why their kids are fat asses. Now, I'm not for this or against this, but I just don't see how soda at schools can be blamed for kids being overweight. What's next? Making them jog to school to sweat off a little of that weight?

Again, I'm glad that they're doing something about this; I just think they're going about it the wrong way. I mean, oh no, kids can't buy soda at school; looks like they'll have to wait until they get home.

The Postmaster General
05-04-2006, 03:12 PM
I'm also considering the angle about giving them caffeine. Hell man, teens have a lot of energy anyway - throw in some caffeine and it's like they've done a rail of meth while bungee jumping through a wind tunnel. All I picture is classrooms full of Cornholio asking for "TP" for their "bunghole". Everyone laughs at caffeine like it's a no-drug, but it's a pretty decent stimulant.

TheDeadWalk
05-04-2006, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Yeah, I'm doubting how this is even politically relevant. This is like an issue you'd read editorials on in a school newspaper, right under how the faculty won't open up the quad in the mornings to let people hang out before school.

To me, it is politically relevant. It's implicitly trying to get corporations away from education. It's just another tug at the wallet of the public school system.

electriclite
05-04-2006, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Soda here (Texas) costs 50 cents per can most places. You sometimes see 75 cents but that's on the high end. I guess it's compensation for being a crappy place to live.

Arizona drinks are in fact great. Ever tried the anti-stress tea brew? The stuff works wonders.



And yes, soda is cataclysmically bad for your health. I stopped drinking it at about age 12, after having 1 or 2 a day everyday. Now I can't even drink the stuff because it just tastes so unhealthy. I think this HS thang is a move in the right direction. I mean, c'mon they're (for the most part), not even 18. They don't have most of the rights American citizens have anyways, so it's not like we're doing them some great injustice.

Oh I love me some AriZona tea. I dig the various green tea flavors and I love the classic Iced Tea with lemon. I haven't tried the anti-stress tea, but after your good word I'll definitely give it a shot.


You know they have this soda here in NY, and I think in Texas too (at least that's what the website says) called GuS, Grown Up Soda. Its soda but made with cane sugar and in smaller quantities than most drinks. I had their grape soda and giner ale, and they're really good and it has just the right amount of sweetness. You should check it out

The Postmaster General
05-04-2006, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
To me, it is politically relevant. It's implicitly trying to get corporations away from education. It's just another tug at the wallet of the public school system.


What you say is true, but I'm sure everyone is going to get that.