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Vong
05-31-2006, 12:55 PM
from ctv.ca
Canadians healthier than Americans, study says
Updated Tue. May. 30 2006 11:31 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Canadians are healthier and have better access to health care than U.S. residents. And, according to a new study, Canadians obtain better care for half of what Americans spend on their medical system.

"The data is clear and really irrefutable: Canadians are healthier than Americans and they have better access to medical care," Dr. Steffy Woolhandler of the Harvard Medical School said Tuesday. She added that medical care is easier to access for Canadians.

The study, published in the American Journal of Public Health, was conducted by Harvard Medical School researchers. They also found that:

- Canadians were seven per cent more likely to have a regular doctor
- Canadians were 19 per cent less likely than Americans to have their health needs go unmet.
- Americans were more than twice as likely to forgo needed medicines because of cost.
- Discrepancies in health care become even wider when taking into account income, age, sex, race and immigrant status. In those kind of detailed comparisons, Canadians were 33 per cent more likely to have a regular doctor and 27 per cent less likely to have an unmet health need.

Meanwhile, Americans had higher rates of nearly every serious chronic disease, including obesity, diabetes and chronic lung disease, even though U.S. residents were less likely to be smokers.

"We pay almost twice what Canada does for care, more than $6,000 for every American, yet Canadians are healthier, and live two to three years longer," said Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor at Harvard and study co-author.

This first-ever cross-national health survey analyzed data from the Joint Canada/U.S. Survey of Health, with data collected by Statistics Canada and the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics.

It follows a similar study released earlier this month that found white, middle-aged Americans were less healthy than their British counterparts, who spent half as much on health care.

In the latest study, the researchers suggest the biggest barrier to health care in the United States is cost.

More than seven times as many U.S. residents reported going without needed care due to cost, compared to Canadians.

Uninsured U.S. residents were particularly vulnerable, with 30.4 per cent having an unmet health need due to cost, the study reported.

CTV's Avis Favaro said the study found Canadians wait, on average, three times more than Americans for medical treatment.

"But when you look at the actual number, it was aa little over three per cent waiting for medical treatment, which is a tiny proportion when you look at the big picture, although doctors and patients might disagree with that," she said.

Lead author Dr. Karen Lasser said that, while Canada gets negative press about long wait times for medical procedures, the health system seems to work better.

"No one ever talks about the fact that low-income and minority patients fare better in Canada," said Lasser, a primary care doctor at Cambridge Health Alliance and an instructor at Harvard Medical School. "Based on our findings, if I had to choose between the two systems for my patients, I would choose the Canadian system hands down."

Dr. Raisa Deber of the University of Toronto said the message of the study is that "the sky is not falling."

"The take-home message is: When you compare Canada to the United States, Canada is spending a lot less money to get better results," said Deber, who specializes in health policy, management and evaluation.

"There are small improvement in places that could be fixed and could be made better. But on average the system is working quite well."

The one problem noted in the study: About 21 per cent of Canadian women were not receiving recommended cervical cancer screening.

"However, death rates from cervical cancer have long been lower in Canada than in the United States, presumably reflecting past screening practices and population risk factors," the study said.

The Joint Canada/U.S. Survey of Health surveyed 3,505 Canadians and 5,183 U.S. residents between November 2002 and March 2003.

The study will be published in the July 2006 issue of the American Journal of Public Health.

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This news comes as growing support for an American-style health care system is being called for in some places in Canada.

It's interesting to see that American's pay more for health care than we do, while we pay less and get a "better" system. Avis Favaro last night in her broadcast that Canadians pay $4,000 per person on health care taxes each year. By paying alittle bit more each year, the "gaps" in our health care system would be improved.

I don't mind paying more taxes for health care, but I worry for the low income families who can barely get by and how a tax increase would affect them.

I'm also quite sure that this is also the next topic in Michael Moore's next documentary. And I'm sure he'll also be comparing our two systems.

Lynn7
05-31-2006, 04:09 PM
Do these numbers include the millions of illegal immigrants we have living here cause that could influence the numbers. :) I am happy with my healthcare and all my friends are too. The only bad thing is the high cost of perscription drugs but there are programs in place to help the poor with most of their needs. I would like to see something done on that though.

QUENTIN
05-31-2006, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Lynn7
I am happy with my healthcare and all my friends are too.

That's because you live in Massachusetts and have money. I doubt you hang around the slums to ask people how they feel about their health care, but not everyone has it so good.

I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield, essentially the best medical plan a person could have and have never had a problem with receiving the best and quickest medical care and medicine. That, however, doesn't make me any less aware that many other people are not so fortunate and that the country needs a serious change in the healthcare system. As long as medicine is a business, people will not be treated well unless they have money, and that's just wrong.

Vong
05-31-2006, 08:50 PM
As long as medicine is a business, people will not be treated well unless they have money, and that's just wrong.

Exactly. Private health care systems turn the sick into consumers to get better. Your health has to come at a price and if you can't pay it you are shit out of luck.

electriclite
05-31-2006, 09:23 PM
What makes the problem even worse is that since many Americans go without healthcare, medical illnesses are the number one cause of poverty and bankruptcy in the country.

I myself will no longer qualify for my mother's health insurance next year, and since I'm looking at more of a freelance career for a couple of years, I'll be counted into that percentage of 20-somethings without healthcare.

Lynn7
05-31-2006, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by QUENTIN
That's because you live in Massachusetts and have money. I doubt you hang around the slums to ask people how they feel about their health care, but not everyone has it so good.

I have Blue Cross/Blue Shield, essentially the best medical plan a person could have and have never had a problem with receiving the best and quickest medical care and medicine. That, however, doesn't make me any less aware that many other people are not so fortunate and that the country needs a serious change in the healthcare system. As long as medicine is a business, people will not be treated well unless they have money, and that's just wrong.

Well, my grandmother has had access to the finest healthcare and she only got a check for 1,000 dollars a month from her social security. Also, she owned a house but only had about 2000 in the bank to support herself. she had a great doctor and all her meds etc. She is now in a nursing home and had to spend all of her house money down first but all her bills are paid for by Medicaid.she gets fine health care.

I worked as anurse for years and the people who had no insurance were never treated worse than the people with it. How is it that illegal aliens are getting free health care and free education but you say the people who live in our slums are not getting it? Go to any emergency room in the country and tell me that all the people in there are from money. You know at a glance they are not.

In fact the problem may be that the people from the slums may not be able to get care at a private doc's office but they can go to any health clinic for free care or the ER. If admitted to the ER they get all their tests etc provided for. Show me someone who is not getting healthcare in the US. If there are then they need to visit a social worker in their ciity to get quick access to thousands of perks the governemtn has to offer. I admit you can't get plasic surgery etc by the government, but the US has great healthcare here. For all.

someguy
05-31-2006, 11:37 PM
We may be 'healthier,' but a large portion of our country is obese.

This is kind of like saying we're better because we'll have a heart attack one year after America

TheDeadWalk
06-01-2006, 08:52 AM
I avoid hospitals because I don't have health insurance with my job. I can't afford $300 a month of some $500 deductible bullshit plan.

Those who have great healthcare, fuckin love it and don't see anything wrong with it. Those who don't, sit back and rot.

That is until I get really ill. Then when I get so bad I have to go to the Emergency Room and apply for state funding to pay for my hospital fees. (Like when I had to have surgery on my throat in 2005. Which did not include medicine, Dr. fee, Radiology, or anesthesia, just covered over $3,000 of my hospital stay and fee) And thus my friendly tax paying citizens have found a way to pay for me ANYWAYS.

Good fuckin job, America. Instead of paying a flat rate of federal tax for yourself and the rest of your family, you pay for your benefits, your co-pay and/or deductible, and then STILL have your tax dollars pay for broke ass motherfuckers like me, on the Ohio HCAP program. Thanks.

http://www.careforohio.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={05EA59D4-5779-44F4-9AFA-F8EE36C0C70B}

bigred760
06-01-2006, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by someguy
We may be 'healthier,' but a large portion of our country is obese.


You too? Every time I see a health report on CNN, it's telling me how fat the U.S. is.

Scorpio24
06-01-2006, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by bigred760
You too? Every time I see a health report on CNN, it's telling me how fat the U.S. is.


If you watched TV in the UK you'd sear there isn't 1 healthy American alive.

bigred760
06-01-2006, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Scorpio24
If you watched TV in the UK you'd sear there isn't 1 healthy American alive.

They are the vast minority it seems.

Lynn7
06-01-2006, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
I avoid hospitals because I don't have health insurance with my job. I can't afford $300 a month of some $500 deductible bullshit plan.

Those who have great healthcare, fuckin love it and don't see anything wrong with it. Those who don't, sit back and rot.

That is until I get really ill. Then when I get so bad I have to go to the Emergency Room and apply for state funding to pay for my hospital fees. (Like when I had to have surgery on my throat in 2005. Which did not include medicine, Dr. fee, Radiology, or anesthesia, just covered over $3,000 of my hospital stay and fee) And thus my friendly tax paying citizens have found a way to pay for me ANYWAYS.

Good fuckin job, America. Instead of paying a flat rate of federal tax for yourself and the rest of your family, you pay for your benefits, your co-pay and/or deductible, and then STILL have your tax dollars pay for broke ass motherfuckers like me, on the Ohio HCAP program. Thanks.

http://www.careforohio.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={05EA59D4-5779-44F4-9AFA-F8EE36C0C70B}

And just for future reference there is something called free bed which hospitals have but don't advertise. You need to apply for it and then everything is covered for free. And you should also ask for a social worker to help guide you to any help you may need. I do admit that sometimes it is the working class people who can get screwed because the poor people are covered but the middle class can be held resposible to pay for bills. My friends husband was in a motorcycle accident on his way to work and so he was not covered by his worker's comp cause he hadn't gone to work yet and I don't think they had insurance. They were responsible to pay for gazillions of dollars because he was in ICU so long. She worked out a payment plan where they paid the hospital a small amount every month. It worked out OK.

I see that your article covered a lot of what I said. I will just add that many people pay about 1,000 bucks a month for insurance. If you get caught without it and something big happens it can be a huge bill. I have heard that now you can purchase catastrophic insurance that will not cover doctor visits or perscriptions but will cover a hospital bill if there is a serious problem. I have heard that this is much cheaper but I don't have any specifics on it.

Brando @$$ Fat
06-02-2006, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by bigred760
You too? Every time I see a health report on CNN, it's telling me how fat the U.S. is.


Or.............how shitty our schools are.

Or..............how stupid we are.

Or..............how many of us actually vote.

Or..............how many of us actually give a damn about modern day poltics.

Or.............how many of us are lazy bastards for not giving 80 cents a day to some kid we don't know in Kenya.

bigred760
06-02-2006, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Or.............how shitty our schools are.

Or..............how stupid we are.

Or..............how many of us actually vote.

Or..............how many of us actually give a damn about modern day poltics.

Or.............how many of us are lazy bastards for not giving 80 cents a day to some kid we don't know in Kenya.

Oh yeah - just . . . not in the health reports :D.

Brando @$$ Fat
06-02-2006, 02:27 PM
I still think we all know what I'm talking about.

Criminal Rock
06-02-2006, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
I still think we all know what I'm talking about.

I know, man... brainless, white-trash, uncultured, ass-holes is what we are, and always will be.

Well... according to CNN... and Canada… and, actually, Europe says the same shit as well, but we all know that Europe doesn't exist... Fake ass-holes. They don't count.

echo_bravo
06-07-2006, 08:45 AM
I'm also quite sure that this is also the next topic in Michael Moore's next documentary. And I'm sure he'll also be comparing our two systems.

Is he going to blame Bush about his health problems?

TheDeadWalk
06-07-2006, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by echo_bravo
Is he going to blame Bush about his health problems?

Quite a few million Americans went down to the local KFC and drowned their sorrows in a 12 piece bucket after that piece of shit was re-elected. It was the last bastion of all that was good.

outsyder
06-07-2006, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by TheDeadWalk
Quite a few million Americans went down to the local KFC and drowned their sorrows in a 12 piece bucket after that piece of shit was re-elected. It was the last bastion of all that was good.


The vast, hot-wing conspiracy, eh?

TheDeadWalk
06-07-2006, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by outsyder
The vast, hot-wing conspiracy, eh?

You just won yourself a free snacker.