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Monotreme
06-01-2006, 09:10 AM
At a time when Marlon Brando and Laurence Olivier were after their peaks but before Tom Hanks and Johnny Depp showed up, there were four actors who totally dominated the 1970's, 1980's and early-mid 1990's - four actors whose bodies of work are arguably the best of any actor, living or dead. They are the legends Robert De Niro, Dustn Hoffman, Jack Nicholson and Al Pacino.

The poll question is simple: Which is your favourite? For me, it is a particularly hard choice. Looking at the bodies of work of all four of these actors, it is really, really hard to choose just one and single him out as the best! But if I really must choose, I've got to go with Dustin Hoffman. He has shown the widest range of acting ability among all four actors, although De Niro is hot on his tail, followed by Al Pacino and finally Jack Nicholson who, while brilliant in all his movies, always seems to play a similar character.

But another question arises when discussing these four super-actors. It is no secret that with the takeover of younger actors (Tom Hanks, Russell Crowe, Johnny Depp, Kevin Spacey, etc), these four heavyweights were shoved out of the spotlight, and in recent years have reall thrown their careers down the drain and either done movies that aren't nearly as good or acted as good as their movies from the 70's and 80's, or just down-right crap. The question is: which one of these actors managed to LEAST fuck up his career? Let's take a look:

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Jack Nicholson - I think that good ol' Jack takes the cake as the single actor of these four that managed to least fuck up his career as of late. Thing is that he severely lowered his work frequency, and has been doing a lot less work lately. Still, his work as of late was pretty good. He delivered some of the best performances of his career in As Good as it Gets and About Schmidt, and Something's Gotta Give was cute. In fact, the only bad movie he's done lately was Anger Management - just one!
Best performance of his career: Chinatown (1974).
Last good performance: About Schmidt (2002).
Upcoming film that might redeem him: The Departed.

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Dustin Hoffman - Alright, I'll admit, Dustin Hoffman hasn't been doing too good lately, and hasn't delivered a truly good performance in a truly good movie in a while. But that's not to say that he's been doing BAD movies necessarily - he just hasn't been doing movies or playing roles quite as good as his roles from the late 60's, 70's, and 80's. The main problem is that his acting work has been pretty uninspired as of late. I haven't seen The Lost City yet but I hear Dustin is great in it. While his work in such recent films as Moonlight Mile, Confidence, Runaway Jury and Finding Neverland isn't BAD, it is indeed lackluster. I Heart Huckabees and Lemony Snicket were just silly, and the only really bad movie and role he's done lately is Meet The Fockers. Sphere also stank pretty much.
Best performance of his career: Kramer vs. Kramer (1979).
Last good performance: Wag the Dog (1997).
Upcoming film that might redeem him: The Berkeley Connection.

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Al Pacino - The final slot is a toss-up between Pacino and De Niro for the position of the actor who most fucked up his own career. I'll give Pacino the advantage since he has done SOME good work lately. His performance in Angels in America was one of the best of his entire career, I felt, and his performance in The Mercheant of Venice wasn't half bad either. His work in Insomnia and S1m0ne wasn't particularly bad, but it wasn't particularly good - classic examples of directors who can't restrain the man, so he goes around overacting and chewing up the scenery. Of course, he's also done some total shit lately, such as People I Know, The Recruit, Gigli (what the hell?!?!?), Two for the Money, etc.
Best performance of his career: Scent of a Woman (1992).
Last good performance: Angels in America (2003), and if that doesn't count since it isn't exactly a movie, The Insider (1999).
Upcoming film that might redeem him: Unfortuantely... nothing.

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Robert De Niro - De Niro gets the prize from me as the single actor out of these four that went the furthest downhill from the peak of his career in the 70's, 80's and early 90's until now. Back then he delivered legendary performances in The Godfather pt. II, Taxi Driver, Awakenings, Once Upon a Time in America, Goodfellas... his role in Raging Bull is probably one if the single best acting jobs ever. But now, look at the shit he is swimming in: Hide and Seek, Meet the Fockers, Shark Tale, Godsend, Analyze That, City by the Sea, Showtime, The Score, 15 Minutes, Meet the Parents, Rocky & Bullwinkle... need I say more? De Niro took his brilliant career and just flushed it down the toilet as of late. Is it just hard for these guys to get good work? Haven't they earned the right to pick quality projects? Does nobody want to work with them or what?
Best performance of his career: Raging Bull (1980).
Last good performance: Casino and Heat (both 1995).
Upcoming film that might redeem him: The Good Shepherd.

Cronos
06-01-2006, 09:35 AM
Pacino

Katsumoto
06-01-2006, 10:25 AM
If I made a top ten of favourite Actors all four would be on it, but I have to go with the greatest of all time...

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Jack Nicholson

sarah1980
06-01-2006, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Cronos
Pacino

drago25
06-01-2006, 11:10 AM
Personally, I prefer Robert De Niro. Jack Nicholson is a close second.

Monotreme
06-01-2006, 11:25 AM
Besides writing who is your favourite, which one of the four do you think crapped all over his own career the most lately? Perhaps I'll make a seperate poll for that...

Katsumoto
06-01-2006, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Monotreme
Besides writing who is your favourite, which one of the four do you think crapped all over his own career the most lately? Perhaps I'll make a seperate poll for that...

De Niro has really done some bad stuff lately, but it seems like he using those paychecks to help his little tribeca film festival along. Hopefully he hits it out of the park with The Good Shepard.

zeppelin
06-01-2006, 12:20 PM
Order of preference:
1. Robert De Niro
2. Dustin Hoffman
3. Jack Nicholson
4. Al Pacino

And order of how much their careers are down the drain (1 being the most hopeless):
1. Robert De Niro
2. Al Pacino
3. Dustin Hoffman
4. Jack Nicholson

bigred760
06-01-2006, 12:26 PM
Pacino has been one of my favorites for a long time. I think his performance in Scent of a Woman is one of the greatest of all time (and that movie came out the same year as my favorite: Unforgiven). I don't think his career has fallen that badly; he wasn't in Gigli that much - he didn't star in it anyway (same director as Scent of a Woman), and he won an Emmy for Angels in America. I think he's doing just fine.

I think De Niro has gone the farthest south, and not to mention the quickest. While Meet the Parents and Meet the Fockers were moneymakers, he just seemed out of place in them. And what the hell is he doing teaming up with Eddie Murphy? I don't care if he tries out movies like City by the Sea and Hide & Seek, but what the hell is up with Rocky & Bullwinkle and Analyze That?

Nicholson has done the best out of the four recently. An Academy Award nomination for About Schmidt, a blockbuster romantic comedy in Something's Gotta Give, and just taking his time picking and choosing what he wants to do.

Brando @$$ Fat
06-01-2006, 06:09 PM
They're all equal in my eyes, but I chose Hoffman simply because he's a little more versatile.

Hannibal21
06-01-2006, 11:02 PM
Robert De Niro takes the cake for both the best actor in the poll and the actor who crapped over his career the most. I'll admit, I had no real beef with Meet the Parents, but The Score, Godsend, 15 Minutes, Shark Tale, and The Adventures of Rocky & Bullwinkle pretty much indicated that the career he once had during the 70's and 80's was gone (let's hope that The Good Shepherd proves us wrong).

However, despite how much his career has gone down the drain, it still doesn't change my opinion that he has always been and always will be one of the greatest actors of all time. His turns Raging Bull (his best performance and one of the top 5 or 3 greatest performances of all time in movie history, also features the single greatest acting moment I have ever seen), Taxi Driver (almost as great), The Godfather Part II, The Deer Hunter, Mean Streets, Once Upon a Time in America, Goodfellas, Angel Heart, Casino, Awakenings, The King of Comedy, Brazil, The Untouchables, This Boy's Life, etc. etc. all retain that status and are more than able to make me forget about the recent shit he's done.

The others in the poll are all among some of the best actors as well. Jack Nicholson comes in close second to De Niro, he's known for his wacky characterizations but films like Chinatown & The Passenger show that he is fully capable of offering understated, nuanced performances. There was a time when Al Pacino was subtle in his acting, as opposed to hamming it up like he does in movies nowadays. Dustin Hoffman is as diverse as actors could get, and The Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Lenny, & Rain Man are all proof of this.

Btw, there is another legendary acting heavyweight whose career has pretty much been flushed down the toilet (with the exception of one film), and I would've liked to see him on the poll: Gene Hackman

Monotreme
06-02-2006, 06:58 AM
Also, let's not forget Anthony Hopkins. From Silence of the Lambs to... Bad Company? But neither of them are considered nearly as grand as the four on the poll.

bigred760
06-02-2006, 08:52 AM
Anthony Hopkins didn't have the same career as the other four before Silence of the Lambs. He's always been a terrific actor, I'm sure, but he didn't come to the forefront before Silence of the Lambs, Remains of the Day, and Howard's End.

Monotreme
06-02-2006, 10:38 AM
Exactly. And neither did Gene Hackman, really.

bigred760
06-02-2006, 10:44 AM
Oh I don't know. Hackman had The French Connection, The Conversation, and The Poseidon Adventure in the early 70s and was a great Lex Luthor in the late 70s/early 80s. Sure he still wasn't as big as Pacino, De Niro, or Nicholson became - but he held his own in these movies, and he does have more Oscars than Pacino and the same amount as De Niro.

And while I don't know about Mooseport, he was good in Runaway Jury, Heist (great flick), and I'm told he was great in The Royal Tenenbaums.

jaw2929
06-02-2006, 12:01 PM
Jack Nicolson is who I voted for.... But I do quite like Robert DeNiro as a 2nd..... Though none of those 4 men are my favourite... That goes to Ed Norton, who's a fucking phenomenal actor IMO.

TylerDurden182
06-02-2006, 06:57 PM
1. Robert De Niro
2. Al Pacino
3. Jack Nicholson







4. Dustin Hoffman (Not even in the same league in my opinion.)

Monotreme
06-02-2006, 07:39 PM
Originally posted by TylerDurden182
1. Robert De Niro
2. Al Pacino
3. Jack Nicholson







4. Dustin Hoffman (Not even in the same league in my opinion.)
Jesus, that's a bit harsh on Dustin. Have you seen The Graduate? Midnight Cowboy? Straw Dogs? All the President's Men? fucking Kramer vs Kramer? Tootsie? Rain Man? Wag the Dog? The guy's fucking phenomenal. Certainly the most versatile of the four.

TylerDurden182
06-02-2006, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Monotreme
Jesus, that's a bit harsh on Dustin. Have you seen The Graduate? Midnight Cowboy? Straw Dogs? All the President's Men? fucking Kramer vs Kramer? Tootsie? Rain Man? Wag the Dog? The guy's fucking phenomenal. Certainly the most versatile of the four.

Out of those you listed I have seen The Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Straw Dogs, All The President's Men, Kramer Vs. Kramer, Tootsie, and Rain Man. I didn't say he wasn't good, but compared to the other three he falls short.

ilovemovies
06-03-2006, 12:17 AM
1. Jack Nicholson (and he's just the coolest motherfucker on the planet too! :cool: )
2. Al Pacino (2nd coolest motherfucker on the planet!)
3. Robert DeNiro
4. Dustin Hoffman


I do think Hopkins and Hackman deserve to be up there. Infact, I like those better than Hoffman (don't get me wrong, I love Hoffman).

And don't forget about Morgan Freeman and Robert Duvall.

Hannibal21
06-03-2006, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by bigred760
Oh I don't know. Hackman had The French Connection, The Conversation, and The Poseidon Adventure in the early 70s and was a great Lex Luthor in the late 70s/early 80s. Sure he still wasn't as big as Pacino, De Niro, or Nicholson became - but he held his own in these movies, and he does have more Oscars than Pacino and the same amount as De Niro.

In addition to those you mentioned, he also had 'Bonnie and Clyde' in the late 60's and Scarecrow in the mid 70's (I haven't seen that film, but from what I've heard it's nothing short of brilliant). So, yeah, he was already at the forefront long before the early 90's.

Originally posted by bigred760
And while I don't know about Mooseport, he was good in Runaway Jury, Heist (great flick), and I'm told he was great in The Royal Tenenbaums.

He was indeed great 'The Royal Tenenbaums', I'd actually rank it as one of his finest performances (along with 'The Conversation' and 'Unforgiven'). But, anyone remember 'The Replacements' and 'Behind Enemy Lines'? I cringe just thinking about those two films, and 'Mooseport' looks even worse. Admittedly, 'Heartbreakers' is a guilty pleasure of mine, but the role Hackman plays in that is certainly beneath him.

Lazy Boy
06-03-2006, 01:30 AM
I'm a man of few words, so I'll just rank 'em in the order of how much I like/love their acting style:

1. Al Pacino
2. Jack Nicholson
3. Robert DeNiro
4. Dustin Hoffman

Tagia_Romero
06-03-2006, 02:32 AM
All of them have such great strengths, I can't choose.

bigred760
06-03-2006, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by Hannibal21
In addition to those you mentioned, he also had 'Bonnie and Clyde' in the late 60's and Scarecrow in the mid 70's (I haven't seen that film, but from what I've heard it's nothing short of brilliant). So, yeah, he was already at the forefront long before the early 90's.

Good call - I'd forgotten about Bonnie & Clyde. I've never seen Scarecrow either, but I've also heard good things.


He was indeed great 'The Royal Tenenbaums', I'd actually rank it as one of his finest performances (along with 'The Conversation' and 'Unforgiven'). But, anyone remember 'The Replacements' and 'Behind Enemy Lines'? I cringe just thinking about those two films, and 'Mooseport' looks even worse. Admittedly, 'Heartbreakers' is a guilty pleasure of mine, but the role Hackman plays in that is certainly beneath him.

I kinda liked The Replacements - guilty pleasure :D.

And let us not forget the, arguably, greatest sports movie of all-time: Hoosiers.

dalomini
06-03-2006, 06:31 PM
This is how I rolled:

Robert De Niro is without question my favorite actor of alltime. I can't say anything that witty or good about him that hasn't been said, so I might as well list my favorites of his: Raging Bull (my fav acting job ever), Awakenings, GoodFellas, King of Comedy, Taxi Driver, Deer Hunter, Godfather Part Deux, Bang the Drum Slowly, Meet the Parents, Mean Streets.

dalomini
06-03-2006, 06:31 PM
Just a comment, Dustin Hoffman would be my #2 and hasnt been gettin as much love on this thread as others, but he also gives a top 10 performance for me (in the TV version of Death of a Salesman). He was also in a childhood favorite of mine, Hook. But now seriously, Tootsie, Kramer vs Kramer, Midnight Cowboy, Rain Man, Lenny, Marathon Man, the man's great.

Monotreme
06-03-2006, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by dalomini
Just a comment, Dustin Hoffman would be my #2 and hasnt been gettin as much love on this thread as others,
Agreed. And he's my favourite out of the four! I guess I'm more of a sucker for subtlety, nuance and realism in roles (like Dustin does so well) than roles that are so intense that they scream out at you from the screen.

deadguy76
06-04-2006, 06:04 AM
I would have replaced Pacino with Gene Hackman in your poll since Frappacino has been reduced to yelling at someone once every movie. I'd have to pick between Jack Nicholson and DeNiro.

ilovemovies
06-04-2006, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by deadguy76
I would have replaced Pacino with Gene Hackman in your poll since Frappacino has been reduced to yelling at someone once every movie. I'd have to pick between Jack Nicholson and DeNiro.

Wow. I totally disagree. I think his performance last year in Two for the Money was superb. And his work in Simone was, I thought, very underrated (as well as the movie itself) and of coarse his performance in Insomnia is phenomenal!

Monotreme
06-04-2006, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by deadguy76
I would have replaced Pacino with Gene Hackman in your poll since Frappacino has been reduced to yelling at someone once every movie. I'd have to pick between Jack Nicholson and DeNiro.
True, but Pacino at the peak of his career in the 70's and 80's is better than anything Gene Hackman could ever DREAM of doing.

Hannibal21
06-04-2006, 11:12 PM
Never mind.

Glaze
06-05-2006, 10:44 PM
They are all fvking brilliant! I can't pick... It would be like choosing your favorite child.

morricone
06-06-2006, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by Katsumoto
If I made a top ten of favourite Actors all four would be on it, but I have to go with the greatest of all time...

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Jack Nicholson

What he said, but without the stupid caricature drawing

damien22
06-07-2006, 01:56 AM
Jack Nicholson, with one of my all-time favorite performances in one of my all-time favorite movies, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Slim_JGE
06-07-2006, 06:20 PM
Shit man, that's tough. I went with Pacino, but that's a tough choice between him, Deniro and Nicholson...

Sheriff Wydell
06-09-2006, 11:49 PM
Younger Pacino is an extraordinary talent & so is older Al Pacino. From Glengarry Glen Ross to The Devil's Advocate, so what if the film is abysmally bad. Al Pacino & Robert DeNiro perform beautifully in any film they are in. Jack & Dustin are two very talented actors likewise, Dustin was hilarious in Meet The Fockers, perhaps the only reason to watch that film was because of his portrayal, then he can go real deep like Rain Man, and really quirky characters like in I Heart Huckabees.

Besides the fact that I adore DeNiro, and really, he puts a lot of depth into his character, he has never astonished me like Al Pacino did in Glengarry Glen Ross. That was a phenomenal talent display.

All four of these are brilliant actors, some are better in areas than other, in terms of powerful characters, Al Pacino. In terms of being hysterical & emotional, Hoffman. In terms of being just cool & natural throughout the film, Nicholson. In terms of put a lot of depth and method to your character and making that character alive, DeNiro.

Each actor is better in their field than either of those three.

Moviefan1234
06-10-2006, 10:58 AM
Al Pacino

The FamilyJulas
06-10-2006, 01:53 PM
Robert De Niro is my favorite of the four
Then Jack and Al are tied for me after that.
and then Dustin.
All great actors, obviously.

AngelDust06
06-10-2006, 01:55 PM
Mr. Al "Fucking" Pacino

KillerKlown
06-13-2006, 09:31 AM
De Niro