Ten Best/Worst Remakes Ever...

[veddhead83]

Here is my list of Ten Best/Worst Remakes

(Alphabetical Order or course)

Best-

“Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” 2005
“Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory” 1971

“Dawn of the Dead” 2004
“Dawn of the Dead” 1978

“Red Dragon” 2003
“Manhunter” 1986

“Reservoir Dogs” 1992
“Long hu feng yun” 1987

“The Ring” 2002
“Ringu” 1998

“Scarface” 1983
“Scarface” 1932

“The Thing” 1982
“The Thing from Another World” 1951

“Vanilla Sky” 2001
“Abre los ojos” 1997

“Willard” 2003
“Willard” 1971

“The Wizard of Oz” 1939
“Wizard of Oz” 1910

Honorable Mentions: King Kong (05), Cape Fear, Insomnia, War of the Worlds, Man on Fire, Robin Hood, An Americna Werewolf in Paris, Night of the Living Dead, Texas Chainsaw Masscre, The Manchurian Candidate, The Omen, Gone in 60 Secs. Shaft, The Nutty Profesor


Worst-

“The Amityville Horror” 2005
“The Amityville Horror” 1979

“Around the World in 80 Days” 2004
“Around the World in 80 Days” 1956

“Bedazzled” 2000
“Bedazzled” 1967

“Godzilla” 1998
“Gojira” 1954

“The Grudge” 2004
“Ju-on: The Grudge” 2003

“The Italian Job” 2003
“The Italian Job” 1969

“Rollerball” 2002
“Rollerball” 1975

“Solaris” 2002
“Solyaris” 1972

“The Stepford Wives” 2004
“The Stepford Wives” 1975

“Twelve Monkeys” 1995
“La Jetee” 1962

Dishonorable Mentions: The Pink Panther, Dr. Dolittle, Mr. Deeds, The Shaggy Dog, When a Stranger Calls, The Hills Have Eyes, The Fog, House of Wax

Feel free to add your thoughts....

[dalomini]

Worst
Psycho

[MisterTwister]

The only remakes I didn't like were The Fog, When A Stranger Calls and Charlie and the Chocolate factory

[dalomini]

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory wasn't a remake.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by dalomini
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory wasn't a remake.
Oh yes it was.
Re-imaging, re-hash, whatever - it was/is a remake. The movie has been made before - that makes it a remake.

[dalomini]

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not a remake of the original movie. It was an adaptation of the book, and that's it.

I don't consider it a remake, much like I don't consider Batman Begins to be a remake of the original Batman. Those are just my qualifications.

[neco82]

Originally posted by dalomini
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not a remake of the original movie. It was an adaptation of the book, and that's it.

I guess you could say the same thing about POSEIDON and THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE, since they're both based on the same novel.

[dalomini]

Yea i realize how what I said sounds, but it makes sense in my head lol.

I just mean that it follows the book and pays no attention to the previous movie, because although its the same story and book, the new movie wasn't a remake of the old movie, rather a different interpretation of the book.

Hope I made myself clearer hah.

[Cyd V]

Originally posted by veddhead83
Here is my list of Ten Best/Worst Remakes

(Alphabetical Order or course)


“Reservoir Dogs” 1992
“Long hu feng yun” 1987



Feel free to add your thoughts....

Dogs is not a remake of City on fire, they aren't even close to being the same...

[APzombie]

Best

HEAT
THE THING
BEN HUR
THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN
THE WIZARD OF OZ

Honorable Mentions
WAR OF THE WORLDS, CAPE FEAR, VINILLA SKY, ALWAYS, THE RING, DAWN OF THE DEAD, RED DRAGON, THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH, SCARFACE, WILLARD

WORST

... everything else.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by dalomini
Yea i realize how what I said sounds, but it makes sense in my head lol.

I just mean that it follows the book and pays no attention to the previous movie, because although its the same story and book, the new movie wasn't a remake of the old movie, rather a different interpretation of the book.

Hope I made myself clearer hah.

Whatever, I still think it sucks. remake or not

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by APzombie
Best

HEAT
THE THING
BEN HUR
THE MAGNIFICENT SEVEN
THE WIZARD OF OZ

Honorable Mentions
WAR OF THE WORLDS, CAPE FEAR, VINILLA SKY, ALWAYS, THE RING, DAWN OF THE DEAD, RED DRAGON, THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH, SCARFACE, WILLARD

WORST

... everything else.

You think the Fly sucks?

[TheSharpshooter]

Originally posted by dalomini
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not a remake of the original movie. It was an adaptation of the book, and that's it.

I don't consider it a remake, much like I don't consider Batman Begins to be a remake of the original Batman. Those are just my qualifications.


The things that happen in Charlie in the Chocolate Factory are the exact same things that happen in Willy Wonka and Chocolate Factory. It was a remake.

Batman Begins is completely different from Burton's Batman. The first Batman had nothing to do with the origins of Batman. He was already an established hero of Gotham. That is the reason why it's not a remake.

[Cronos]

BEST
The Fly
War Of The Worlds
12 Monkeys
Amityville Horror
Ben Hur
The Thing
Nosferatu (78)
Scarface
Vanilla Sky
Fistful Of Dollars
Solaris
Invasion Of The Body Snatchers (78)
Willard
King Kong
Village Of The Damned

WORST
Harvey
The Ring
Just Visiting
The Grudge
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Man In The Iron Mask
Nightwatch (98)
Cape Fear
Piranha
Rear Window
The Haunting
Planet Of The Apes
Phantom Of The Opera (98)
Psycho
Get Carter
The Fog
The Pink Panther
Anthropophagous 2000
Magnificent Seven
Night Of the Living Dead
Dawn Of The Dead

[Monotreme]

Originally posted by veddhead83
Worst-
“Twelve Monkeys” 1995
“La Jetee” 1962
First of all, Twelve Monkeys wasn't a re-make of La Jetee, it was merely inspired by the scenario and dystopia that appears in the film. Twelve Monkeys has a lot more beef added to it: A 2-hour remake of a 1/2 hour short? I don't think so. As it says in the opening credits, Twelve Monkeys was merely "inspired" by La Jetee. If Reservoir Dogs isn't a re-make of City on Fire (which it isn't), Twelve Monkeys isn't a re-make of La Jetee. Besides, La Jetee isn't exactly a film, if I recall correctly the entire thing was composed only of still images.

And finally... what's so bad abotu Twelve Monkeys that you put it in the BAD remake list?

[bigred760]

What was Heat a remake of?

Anyway - best remake: Ben-Hur.

worst remake: Psycho.

[MidnightAngel]

Best remakes:
1.Scarface
2.The Thing
3.The Italian Job
4.The Fly
5.Invasion of the Body Snatchers
6.Cape Fear
7.The Island of Dr. Moreau(the one starring Michael York and Burt Lancaster)
8.Night of the Living Dead
9.Man on Fire
10.The Blob

Worst remakes:
1.Dawn of the Dead
2.The Ring
3.House of Wax
4.Insomnia
5.The Fog
6.The Stepford Wives
7.The Vanishing
8.Diabolique
9.The Omen
10.The Amityville Horror

[floydtheater07]

"The Fly" is easily one of the best remakes.

I also agree that "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" is not a remake of "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". Much like Frankenstein, the films are both based on the novel, but are independent of each other.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by dalomini
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was not a remake of the original movie. It was an adaptation of the book, and that's it.

I don't consider it a remake, much like I don't consider Batman Begins to be a remake of the original Batman. Those are just my qualifications.

I don't consider Batman Begins a remake because we have never been shown the origins of Batman, Burton's Batman and Nolan's Batman are entirely different movies. BBegins is not a remake.

However, Charlie... is. It is based on the same material and has already been made before. As TheSharpshooter stated already, the same exact things happen in the original that happen in the remake. Hence it is a remake.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by Monotreme
First of all, Twelve Monkeys wasn't a re-make of La Jetee, it was merely inspired by the scenario and dystopia that appears in the film. Twelve Monkeys has a lot more beef added to it: A 2-hour remake of a 1/2 hour short? I don't think so. As it says in the opening credits, Twelve Monkeys was merely "inspired" by La Jetee. If Reservoir Dogs isn't a re-make of City on Fire (which it isn't), Twelve Monkeys isn't a re-make of La Jetee. Besides, La Jetee isn't exactly a film, if I recall correctly the entire thing was composed only of still images.

And finally... what's so bad abotu Twelve Monkeys that you put it in the BAD remake list?

Both Twelve Monkeys and Reservoir Dogs were based on prior films, hence they are remakes.

Twelve Monkeys just plain sucked. It felt like a waste of time. Stowe was miscast, Willis seemed lost. Pitt was the only redeemable actor in this film. Gilliams direction was all over the place. I followed the story, but he almost tried to make it too confusing for the audience to follow.

[zeppelin]

Going with the assumption that if it had been made into a movie before, then it's a remake...

Best:
1. The Lord of the Rings trilogy
2. Beauty and the Beast ('91)
3. The Wizard of Oz
4. King Kong ('05)
5. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
6. Oliver!
7. The Muppet Christmas Carol (no, I'm not joking)
8. O Brother, Where Art Thou?
9. The Talented Mr. Ripley
10. Robin Hood ('73)

Honorable mentions: The Hunchback of Notre Dame ('96), Cape Fear, Peter Pan ('53 and '03), Great Expectations ('46), The Jungle Book ('67), Of Mice and Men ('92), Insomnia, The Fly

The one I was sure whether to count is Sling Blade, which is a remake of the short film "Some Folks Call it a Sling Blade." If it counts, that's my #1 choice.

Worst:
1. Dawn of the Dead
2. Godzilla
3. Troy
4. Mr. & Mrs. Smith
5. Mighty Joe Young
6. Nosferatu the Vampyre
7. War of the Worlds
8. Psycho
9. King Kong ('76)
10. 101 Dalmatians

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by veddhead83
Both Twelve Monkeys and Reservoir Dogs were based on prior films, hence they are remakes.


But you also state that "Batman Begins" is not a remake of "Batman". But, both were based upon the same source material. "Batman Begins" was based upon the scenario of Batman. Your logic is contradictory. "Twelve Monkeys" tells a different sotry based on a previously imagined world. So does "Batman Begins".


I'm just confused, you seem be contradicting your own logic.

[bigred760]

I think it all depends on whether or not the movie is remaking an already existing film, or using something else as a source. I don't consider Charlie and the Chocolate Factory a remake because I know the first movie based on the book, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was not used as a reference or source in the making of it.

I don't know much about 12 Monkeys or Reservoir Dogs; though I always thought the latter was more of an homage.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by floydtheater07
But you also state that "Batman Begins" is not a remake of "Batman". But, both were based upon the same source material. "Batman Begins" was based upon the scenario of Batman. Your logic is contradictory. "Twelve Monkeys" tells a different sotry based on a previously imagined world. So does "Batman Begins".


I'm just confused, you seem be contradicting your own logic.
It is easy - "Batman Begins" was based on the DC Comics, not Burton's "Batman" so it is not a remake, they are not telling the same story. "Batman Begins" is more of a prequel than anything else.

However, "Willy Wonka" is based on the childrens novel and "Charlie" is based on the book and the previous film - "Charlie" is telling the same story as "Willy Wonka" - it is a remake.

Not too confusing I hope.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by bigred760
I think it all depends on whether or not the movie is remaking an already existing film, or using something else as a source. I don't consider Charlie and the Chocolate Factory a remake because I know the first movie based on the book, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory was not used as a reference or source in the making of it.

I don't know much about 12 Monkeys or Reservoir Dogs; though I always thought the latter was more of an homage.

"Charlie" had the original "Willy Wonka" film written all over it - of course it is a remake.

Both other films, 12 Monkeys & Reservoir Dogs, are both based on previous films, so they are remakes.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by veddhead83
"Charlie" had the original "Willy Wonka" film written all over it - of course it is a remake.


Of course it had some similarities, they're based on the same book. I just don't think that the second based itself in any way or form on the "Willy Wonka" movie.

Differences, the first was a musical - with original songs and everything. The second only had the Oompa Loompas singing and all the songs were in the book.

The endings of the two are drastically different as well.

The character of Willy Wonka is totally different in the two movies.

The two movies also had two different themes - the first turned out to be Willy Wonka looking for a successor; the second turned out to be about family and togetherness.

[brodeurnumber1]

Best(I don't consider Lord of the Rings, 12 Monkeys, or Reservoir Dogs to be remakes):
1. The Thing
2. King Kong

Worst:
1. Scarface
2. Texas Chainsaw Massacre
3. Godzilla
4. War of the Worlds

I'll probably think of others later, but all I can think of now.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by bigred760
Of course it had some similarities, they're based on the same book. I just don't think that the second based itself in any way or form on the "Willy Wonka" movie.

Differences, the first was a musical - with original songs and everything. The second only had the Oompa Loompas singing and all the songs were in the book.

The endings of the two are drastically different as well.

The character of Willy Wonka is totally different in the two movies.

The two movies also had two different themes - the first turned out to be Willy Wonka looking for a successor; the second turned out to be about family and togetherness.

Both followed the same storyline and characters. Willy was zany and crazy in both films - they were just played by two very different types of actors - Depp being the better of the two imo. In the second, he was still trying to find a successor. Charlie was allowed to live in the factory until he was ready to take over. Of course there will be some differences, otherwise what would be the point in remaking a film???

We should almost do a poll of "Who thinks Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a remake?? This seems to be the one that is getting everyone upset or confused. Do you guys think Planet of the Apes is a remake?? I do.

[veddhead83]

Besides the books - how are "LOTR" Trilogy remakes?? Weren't they a cartoon at some point? Was it in theatres or were they live action? Someone fill me in....

[bigred760]

Originally posted by veddhead83
We should almost do a poll of "Who thinks Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is a remake?? This seems to be the one that is getting everyone upset or confused. Do you guys think Planet of the Apes is a remake?? I do.

I know. I think it's just a matter of opinion on whether or not it's a remake or not. There's evidence and facts that could go both ways. It's really not THAT important to me. And yes, I do think Wahlberg's Planet of the Apes was a remake.

Besides the books - how are "LOTR" Trilogy remakes?? Weren't they a cartoon at some point? Was it in theatres or were they live action? Someone fill me in....

There was a cartoon, but just one based on all three books.

[dalomini]

Originally posted by veddhead83
It is easy - "Batman Begins" was based on the DC Comics, not Burton's "Batman" so it is not a remake, they are not telling the same story. "Batman Begins" is more of a prequel than anything else.

However, "Willy Wonka" is based on the childrens novel and "Charlie" is based on the book and the previous film - "Charlie" is telling the same story as "Willy Wonka" - it is a remake.

"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" was based off of Roald Dahls novel, not Mel Stuart's "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory."

[dalomini]

Originally posted by veddhead83
Do you guys think Planet of the Apes is a remake?? I do.

I don't. They changed a lot of it, including the ending.

[dalomini]

BTW, veddhead83, you're a good man. I'm not angry lol, just makin sure that point is made. It's just how I myself feel.

[APzombie]

Good call on The Fly, such a good film I forgot it was a remake.

BTW- Heat is a remake of Michael Mann's first t.v. movie L.A. Takedown.

[dalomini]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Best remakes:
6.Cape Fear

Touche

[bigred760]

Originally posted by APzombie
Good call on The Fly, such a good film I forgot it was a remake.

BTW- Heat is a remake of Michael Mann's first t.v. movie L.A. Takedown.

I did not know that.

[screamer581]

Good/great remakes:


LOTR trilogy
The Fly
The Thing
Dawn of The Dead (I really don't get the hate for this fun flick)
War of The Worlds
Ocean's 11
Vanilla Sky
Solaris
King Kong
Insomnia
The Ring
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
The Hills Have Eyes
Little Shop Of Horrors
Assualt On Precinct 13
The Blob
The Manchurian Candidate
The Magnificent Seven
Ben Hur
Heat (which I wasn't aware of until this thread)

There might be a few older flicks I missed



Bad/shitty remakes:


Psycho
Bedazzled
Carnival Of Souls
Flubber
Get Carter
The Haunting
Godzilla
Scarface
The Italian Job
The Mummy
Rollerball
Sabrina
The Stepford Wives
The Fog
Fun with Dick and Jane
The Jackal
The Grudge
Dark Water
The Vanishing
etc.

[QUENTIN]

Burton's Charlie and The Chocolate Factory is clearly not a remake, it's based on the book which Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory was not faithful to. By the logic that says Charlie is a remake, then Gibson's, Brannagh's, and Hawke's Hamlet are all remakes of the Olivier version which is itself a remake of Mario Caserini's 1908 version. Or all adaptations of Dickens films are remakes of the first adaptation. That's just ludicrous. If a film is made that remakes a previously filmed movie, it is a remake, such as Heat, Shaft, Ocean's 11, etc... If, however a film is based on a source material that is not a film such as a book, play, story, or T.V. show, then it is simply an adaptation and all subsequent versions are merely different adaptations. I think that can be more or less agreed upon, since to say otherwise is to claim all Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes, Dickens, Twain, and other popularly adapted films are all remakes.

Also, 12 Monkeys is seriously expanded from elements in La Jetee, I couldn't really call it a remake. If one does, you have to classify Boogie Nights, Sling Blade, Bottle Rocket, Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow, and Saw all remakes since their stories originally appeared as much truncuated short films.

Most importantly, Reservoir Dogs is NOT a remake. There are some plot similarities to ONE of the many threads in Ringo Lam's City on Fire, it was one of the many films that somewhat influenced Tarantino, but it is so very far from a remake. To call Reservoir Dogs a remake is to call Kill Bill a remake of 50 different movies, Scream a remake of Halloween, Star Wars a remake of The Hidden Fortress, Jackie Brown a remake of Coffy, and Go a remake of Pulp Fiction. One film influencing another does not make one a remake of the other unless it truly is a remake of the first film.

Now that that's off my chest.


Best:
Vanilla Sky
Heat
Dawn of The Dead
Nosferatu The Vampyr
Solaris
Scarface
King Kong ('05)
Insomnia
The Magnificent Seven
The Thomas Crown Affair


Worst:
Psycho
Bedazzled
The Haunting
Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Rollerball
The Grudge

[dalomini]

Originally posted by QUENTIN
Burton's Charlie and The Chocolate Factory is clearly not a remake, it's based on the book which Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory was not faithful to. By the logic that says Charlie is a remake, then Gibson's, Brannagh's, and Hawke's Hamlet are all remakes of the Olivier version which is itself a remake of Mario Caserini's 1908 version. Or all adaptations of Dickens films are remakes of the first adaptation. That's just ludicrous. If a film is made that remakes a previously filmed movie, it is a remake, such as Heat, Shaft, Ocean's 11, etc... If, however a film is based on a source material that is not a film such as a book, play, story, or T.V. show, then it is simply an adaptation and all subsequent versions are merely different adaptations. I think that can be more or less agreed upon, since to say otherwise is to claim all Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes, Dickens, Twain, and other popularly adapted films are all remakes.

Thanks, Quentin. You are so very wise and noble.

[screamer581]

*takes Charlie and The Chocolate Factory off his list*

[Antonio]

THE BEST
ALWAYS (A GUY NAMED JOE)
THE AMITYVILLE HORROR
THE BLOB
CAPE FEAR
D.O.A.
THE FLY
FREAKY FRIDAY (2003)
THE GLASS MENAGERIE (1987)
HEAVEN CAN WAIT (HERE COMES MR. JORDAN)
INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS (1978)
KING KONG (2005)
LOVE AFFAIR
THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE
NOSFERATU, THE VAMPYRE
OF MICE & MEN
THE OMEN 666
THE PARENT TRAP (1998)
PETER PAN (2003)
THE RING
SABRINA
SHAFT
SOLARIS
THE TALENTED MR. RIPLEY
THE THING
THE THOMAS CROWN AFFAIR
THE UNDERNEATH (CRISS CROSS)
VANILLA SKY
WILLARD

Way too many to name here...this is the short list!

[floydtheater07]

Originally posted by QUENTIN
Burton's Charlie and The Chocolate Factory is clearly not a remake, it's based on the book which Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory was not faithful to. By the logic that says Charlie is a remake, then Gibson's, Brannagh's, and Hawke's Hamlet are all remakes of the Olivier version which is itself a remake of Mario Caserini's 1908 version. Or all adaptations of Dickens films are remakes of the first adaptation. That's just ludicrous. If a film is made that remakes a previously filmed movie, it is a remake, such as Heat, Shaft, Ocean's 11, etc... If, however a film is based on a source material that is not a film such as a book, play, story, or T.V. show, then it is simply an adaptation and all subsequent versions are merely different adaptations. I think that can be more or less agreed upon, since to say otherwise is to claim all Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes, Dickens, Twain, and other popularly adapted films are all remakes.


Exactly.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by QUENTIN
Burton's Charlie and The Chocolate Factory is clearly not a remake, it's based on the book which Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory was not faithful to. By the logic that says Charlie is a remake, then Gibson's, Brannagh's, and Hawke's Hamlet are all remakes of the Olivier version which is itself a remake of Mario Caserini's 1908 version. Or all adaptations of Dickens films are remakes of the first adaptation. That's just ludicrous. If a film is made that remakes a previously filmed movie, it is a remake, such as Heat, Shaft, Ocean's 11, etc... If, however a film is based on a source material that is not a film such as a book, play, story, or T.V. show, then it is simply an adaptation and all subsequent versions are merely different adaptations. I think that can be more or less agreed upon, since to say otherwise is to claim all Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes, Dickens, Twain, and other popularly adapted films are all remakes.

Also, 12 Monkeys is seriously expanded from elements in La Jetee, I couldn't really call it a remake. If one does, you have to classify Boogie Nights, Sling Blade, Bottle Rocket, Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow, and Saw all remakes since their stories originally appeared as much truncuated short films.

Most importantly, Reservoir Dogs is NOT a remake. There are some plot similarities to ONE of the many threads in Ringo Lam's City on Fire, it was one of the many films that somewhat influenced Tarantino, but it is so very far from a remake. To call Reservoir Dogs a remake is to call Kill Bill a remake of 50 different movies, Scream a remake of Halloween, Star Wars a remake of The Hidden Fortress, Jackie Brown a remake of Coffy, and Go a remake of Pulp Fiction. One film influencing another does not make one a remake of the other unless it truly is a remake of the first film.

But still, Willy Wonka came before Charlie - if there weren't a Willy Wonka I am pretty sure Burton would not have made his Charlie. IMO - anything that has been a film before and is now being filmed again is classified as a remake. Charlie, Reservoir Dogs, 12 Monkeys, Planet of the Apes are all remakes to me. No matter how you classify them, you all have to admit there aren't any original ideas in Hollywood anymore.

Example: In 12 Monkeys is says 'based on the film La Jetee' - so remake all of the way.

[ilovemovies]

Best remake of all time: The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Worst remake of all time: The Truth About Charlie.

[dalomini]

Originally posted by veddhead83
But still, Willy Wonka came before Charlie - if there weren't a Willy Wonka I am pretty sure Burton would not have made his Charlie. IMO - anything that has been a film before and is now being filmed again is classified as a remake. Charlie, Reservoir Dogs, 12 Monkeys, Planet of the Apes are all remakes to me. No matter how you classify them, you all have to admit there aren't any original ideas in Hollywood anymore.


How could one be so sure that someone wouldn't pick up the book past 1971 and say "hmmm i'm gonna make a movie out of this"

[bigred760]

Originally posted by veddhead83
But still, Willy Wonka came before Charlie - if there weren't a Willy Wonka I am pretty sure Burton would not have made his Charlie. IMO - anything that has been a film before and is now being filmed again is classified as a remake. Charlie, Reservoir Dogs, 12 Monkeys, Planet of the Apes are all remakes to me. No matter how you classify them, you all have to admit there aren't any original ideas in Hollywood anymore.


You can't be sure of that. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is not based on Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. It did not use its script and revise it. It went to the book and went from there. The fact that there is one before it doesn't matter - hence Quentin's examples of Shakespeare and Sherlock Holmes.

From wikipedia.com: The term "remake" is generally used in reference to a movie which uses an earlier movie as the main source material, rather than in reference to a second, later movie based on the same source..

[veddhead83]

There's no changing my mind - it is a remake. It has been done before - hence it is a remake. A very good one at that.

On a side note - how come the the "Charlie" crew got Gene Wilders blessing to make the film if it is not a remake?

[bigred760]

Originally posted by veddhead83
On a side note - how come the the "Charlie" crew got Gene Wilders blessing to make the film if it is not a remake?

So if they didn't get his blessing, it wouldn't be a remake?

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by bigred760
So if they didn't get his blessing, it wouldn't be a remake?
What I am saying is that, they must have asked about his thoughts so he wouldn't be upset over this obvious remake.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by veddhead83
What I am saying is that, they must have asked about his thoughts so he wouldn't be upset over this obvious remake.

Oh.

I think it would've gotten made whether or not he approved. Though it's nice that he did.

[QUENTIN]

Even by your definition, which would call Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and Othello and O Brother Where Art Thou and Troy remakes...which is fine, we'll except that logic and go with it, Reservoir Dogs is STILL not a remake. Have you seen City on Fire? Their stories are TOTALLY different. Tarantino took two or three elements, like the characters being named after colors, and some of the stuff that goes on in the last 15 minutes only of City on Fire makes it's way into Reservoir Dogs. But it, by no means, not by my definition, yours, or anyone else's on the street, is a remake. It borrowed a few elements from City on Fire the way that Jackie Brown borrowed a few elements from Coffy and GoodFellas borrowed a few elements from The Godfather, but the stories, characters, dialogue, and overall films are very different from one another.

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by QUENTIN
Even by your definition, which would call Charlie and The Chocolate Factory and Othello and O Brother Where Art Thou and Troy remakes...which is fine, we'll except that logic and go with it, Reservoir Dogs is STILL not a remake. Have you seen City on Fire? Their stories are TOTALLY different. Tarantino took two or three elements, like the characters being named after colors, and some of the stuff that goes on in the last 15 minutes only of City on Fire makes it's way into Reservoir Dogs. But it, by no means, not by my definition, yours, or anyone else's on the street, is a remake. It borrowed a few elements from City on Fire the way that Jackie Brown borrowed a few elements from Coffy and GoodFellas borrowed a few elements from The Godfather, but the stories, characters, dialogue, and overall films are very different from one another.

I am re-watching both...I'll get back to you on Reservoir Dogs topic.

I can't believe the different sides people are taking - it is great - I love it.

[APzombie]

Keep on forgetting some great remakes, have to add Unfaithful (based on Femme infidèle) to the list.

[sarah1980]

am i like the only person here who doesn't consider John Carpenter's The Thing a remake?

it's not a remake of the 50's film but based on the book Who Goes There? from the 1930s

[Codename 47]

Has anyone actually seen the 1932 version of Scarface ? I know I have never heard of it. Maybe that's just my lack of movie history knowledge.

[Monotreme]

The 1932 Howard Hawks version of Scarface is pretty famous - it made quite the uproar when it came out for its depiction of violence.

[MisterTwister]

I think Charlie is a remake, the film has already been made/existed.

People considered Dawn of the Dead '04 a remake, but the only similar thing to the original movie is the setting. The zombies, charcthers, situations, ending are all different.

[Countess]

Some of the Best:

Dawn Of The Dead (2004)
The Thing (1982)
The Fly
The Hills Have Eyes
The Talented Mr. Ripley
The Amityville Horror
The Blob
Ocean's Eleven
Cape Fear
Little Shop Of Horrors


Some of the Worst:

The Haunting
Psycho
The Vanishing
The Fog
War Of The Worlds
Dark Water
Godzilla

[dalomini]

Another awful one: Bad News Bears

[Monotreme]

Originally posted by dalomini
Another awful one: Bad News Bears
I actually thought it was very cute. Thornton was great, Linklater's direction is focused, the kids are cute, the movie is generally funny, entertaining, and it works. Was the remake necesary? Of course not, but I still think that the new version wasn't half bad.