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jeo4
06-15-2006, 12:03 PM
Police don't have to knock, justices say
Alito's vote breaks 4-4 tie in police search case

Thursday, June 15, 2006; Posted: 11:15 a.m. EDT (15:15 GMT)

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that police armed with a warrant can barge into homes and seize evidence even if they don't knock, a huge government victory that was decided by President Bush's new justices.

The 5-4 ruling clearly signals the court's conservative shift following the departure of moderate Sandra Day O'Connor.

The case tested previous court rulings that police armed with warrants generally must knock and announce themselves or they run afoul of the Constitution's Fourth Amendment ban on unreasonable searches.

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, said Detroit police acknowledge violating that rule when they called out their presence at a man's door then went inside three seconds to five seconds later.

"Whether that preliminary misstep had occurred or not, the police would have executed the warrant they had obtained, and would have discovered the gun and drugs inside the house," Scalia wrote.

But suppressing evidence is too high of a penalty, Scalia said, for errors by police in failing to properly announce themselves.

The outcome might have been different if O'Connor were still on the bench. She seemed ready, when the case was first argued in January, to rule in favor of Booker Hudson, whose house was searched in 1998.

O'Connor had worried aloud that officers around the country might start bursting into homes to execute search warrants. She asked: "Is there no policy of protecting the home owner a little bit and the sanctity of the home from this immediate entry?"

She retired before the case was decided, and a new argument was held so that Justice Samuel Alito could participate in deliberations. Alito and Bush's other Supreme Court pick, Chief Justice John Roberts, both supported Scalia's opinion.

Hudson's lawyers argued that evidence against him was connected to the improper search and could not be used against him.

Scalia said that a victory for Hudson would have given "a get-out-of-jail-free card" to him and others.

In a dissent, four justices complained that the decision erases more than 90 years of Supreme Court precedent.

"It weakens, perhaps destroys, much of the practical value of the Constitution's knock-and-announce protection," Justice Stephen Breyer wrote for himself and the three other liberal members.

Breyer said that police will feel free to enter homes without knocking and waiting a short time if they know that there is no punishment for it.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, a moderate, joined the conservatives in most of the ruling. He wrote his own opinion, however, to say "it bears repeating that it is a serious matter if law enforcement officers violate the sanctity of the home by ignoring the requisites of lawful entry."

Source: CNN.com

outsyder
06-15-2006, 02:39 PM
I'm kind of on the fence about this one.


I mean, the cops are entering your house one way or another. Is it really essential to have that 3 extra seconds before they enter?

bigred760
06-15-2006, 03:06 PM
It's so polite to knock first though.

I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not; sure they've got a warrant, but what's to stop the guy(s) in the house from just firing away. They don't know if it's the police or not; could be a rival of some sort. "Enter at own risk."

someguy
06-15-2006, 03:36 PM
The action should depend on who the person is they're getting the warrant on.

If they have a record or bad reputation then it shouldn't be a concern if they enter without permission. But if they have some regular guy who is being arrested for a minor offence, there's no real need to barge in or anything.

echo_bravo
06-15-2006, 05:01 PM
The action should depend on who the person is they're getting the warrant on.

I agree

outsyder
06-15-2006, 05:06 PM
I think it was meant to be discretionary. Although police have the power to do so, I don't anticipate an explosion in the average income of door repairmen.

EVILxxx
06-15-2006, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by someguy
The action should depend on who the person is they're getting the warrant on.



I agree as well. But usually the police are too busy to serve warrants for minor offenses. Typically those people get picked up when they get pulled over for speeding and the cop runs a search on them.

Lynn7
06-15-2006, 07:46 PM
I think the key here is not to use this as an excuse to throw out evidence. You could crack down on a terrorist's cell and because the police didn't knock have to throw out the evidence.

If police abuse this the Supreme Court will be back on the case to make adjustments or else Congress can make some new laws to protect. I would hate them to have to throw out evidence under almost any circumstance.

someguy
06-15-2006, 07:53 PM
The police will most likely will not go around being all cuckoo about busting down doors, the only worry on it is if they abuse it or not. Like Lynn pointed out too, if it is the courts might just make reforms to make sure it is controlled.

Hopefully most policemen will have enough knowledge to know forcefully entering the house of a person making fraudulent checks or some other 'light' offence isn't really needed.

The Postmaster General
06-22-2006, 10:29 PM
It seems like to disrespect the ruling of Payton v. New York, 445 U. S. 573, 601 (1980), which embodies "the overriding respect for the sanctity of the home that has been embedded in our traditions since the origins of the Republic."

Drugs can be retrieved when flushed, data can be recovered, and so-on and so-forth surrounding the intricacies of modern forensics. The police already have the power to knock, then barge in. A few seconds will not make much difference, except to minimize the sanctity all persons are entitled within their own homes.