North Korea

[echo_bravo]

They just fired off their 7th missle. I am not sure what type of missles they were, but nevertheless someone needs to put Kim Jong in timeout and take away his toys.

[bigred760]

CNN's saying the long range missile test failed. More here:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/05/korea.missile/index.html

Kim Jong Il is just nuts in my opinion. He's an arrogant brat who wants whatever attention he can get. His favorite movies is probably Team America: World Police since he's a character in the movie.

[Vong]

As crazy as King Jong is, he isn't crazy enough to start any shit. King Jong only wants to flex his nuclear mussles and show off what he can do. It's no different from other nuclear countries that tested off their rockets and nuclear weapons.

If people are actually scared of dummy missles being shot hundreds of miles from their back door, then they are even more paranoid than I thought.

Jong's threats are baseless and only reactionary to what the US and the international community are saying about/to him and his country. North Korea probably won't be the initiator of a conflict. It will only keep testing its missles, and once they are ready, they will just become another U.S.; hover its finger over the button and wait for something to happen. Kim Jong is only planning for a reflex action against anything done to them. They are an isolationist country whose only desire (for the time being) is to be left alone. Basically if we leave them alone, they will leave us alone. Something the U.S. government can't seem to fathom.

[EVILxxx]

He wants to get in on the sweet deal we are offering Iran, but everytime we offer anything he talks for awhile then throws it back in our faces. I think we are pretty much done negotiating with him.

[Thrizzle]

His missiles are shit anyway, no guidance system and they arent capable of carrying nuclear warheads. (according to news reports)

Not a big deal IMO, although i used to say the same thing about Iraq pre-2003, so who knows what will happen.

[Joshmo]

Thank you cards are going out to those responsible for this fuck - Clinton and Madeline Albright are at the top of the list.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by Vong
They are an isolationist country whose only desire (for the time being) is to be left alone. Basically if we leave them alone, they will leave us alone. Something the U.S. government can't seem to fathom.

Yeah we should just completely ignore them. Even though most of their population's food intake is well below the caloric daily requirments, millions have died from famine, and hundreds of thousands are inturned in prisoner camps for political dissidents.
Vong you seem to be very tolerant of human rights violations as long as the man in charge has an appropriate track record.

[Vong]

Yeah we should just completely ignore them. Even though most of their population's food intake is well below the caloric daily requirments, millions have died from famine, and hundreds of thousands are inturned in prisoner camps for political dissidents. Vong you seem to be very tolerant of human rights violations as long as the man in charge has an appropriate track record.

There is a fine line in the international scene when it comes to helping a country. The key to it is the country willingly asking for assistance. As a country and nation with borders, North Korea are guaranteed their right to sovereignty and to do as they wish in their own borders. What happens in that country is beyond any of our control. Nothing can be done about it until North Korea opens its doors to let help come, as they haven't in the past with UN aid.

[EVILxxx]

That is how genocides take place.
In a country with a communist dictatorship the people who are in desperate need of the assistance you describe are silenced. Kim Jong won't let help in because he lives in a palace and cares nothing for his people. He does occasionally ask the UN and America for aide and if we weren't so sure it would go feed his growing military rather than help the citizens we would give it to him.

[Vong]

Then the power rests in the people of North Korea to fight politically or violently to overthrow Jong

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

If people are so desperate to make change in their country, they have to wake up and realize they outnumber the politicians. Violence may not be right in certain cases, but it works extremely well to make political change.

[Criminal Rock]

mustard gas, anthrax, other debilitating chemicals, guns, tanks, and a strong military vs. hundreds of thousands of decaying bodies...

Seems even enough to me...

I’m down...

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
mustard gas, anthrax, other debilitating chemicals, guns, tanks, and a strong military vs. hundreds of thousands of decaying bodies...

Seems even enough to me...

I’m down...


Yeah, kind of hard to take down the government when they have all the guns.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
That is how genocides take place.
In a country with a communist dictatorship the people who are in desperate need of the assistance you describe are silenced. Kim Jong won't let help in because he lives in a palace and cares nothing for his people. He does occasionally ask the UN and America for aide and if we weren't so sure it would go feed his growing military rather than help the citizens we would give it to him.

What do you suppose we do? If we attack him in any way, he'll likely start a war that will end up killing like a quarter of his own population (I doubt their deaths will be that crushing for him, not too mention their absolute devotion thay have for him which will make them fight to the death). If we put sanctions on the place, he'll merely let his people starve and act as if nothing is wrong while frolicking in his harem. If we try and help out the country with humantarian aid, it will only go to feed his gargantuan army. Besides, if they actually do have nukes, have you considered what a conquered and soon to be deafeated leader of North Korea might do with them? (So long, Seoul)

Kim Jong Il may very will be the most loathesome human being alive. He's killing hundreds of thousands of people, yet any attempt to stop him would likely end up killing more people. Worse yet he's being agressive and trying to provoke the worldwide community. As bad as it sounds, I think we should try not to get into a war with NK, while protecting places like South Korea and Japan from a potential nuclear attack. I think this is just Kim's way of trying to get attention and scare people. I doubt he'd be too keen on the prospect of being taken out of power or killed in the opposing army's attempt to overtake Pyongyang.

I think overtime the goverment will eithe be overthrown in a revolution, collapse, or initiate reform, with each scenario being more likely than the last. If that's not good enough fo ya, I'd like to hear suggestions.

[jeo4]

How about secretly arming said revolution and speeding it up? The sooner this little monkey is dead, the better.

[Scorpio24]

Originally posted by jeo4
How about secretly arming said revolution and speeding it up? The sooner this little monkey is dead, the better.


Where as I don't disagree with the sentiment isn't that how most of the the Worlds worst leaders have come to power?

[Scorpio24]

The North Korea thing has and is going to be a problem for a long time.

The US, UK or UN are not going to go to war with this guy. The people are not going to have a revolution. Do they even know what that is? They have no Internet connection. Only books sanctioned by the goverment are permitted. The only TV is state run and shows propoganda all day long. All performing arts must be about the great of Korea. Their emotions are crushed and they have no access to the outside world. They are cut off.

Kim Jong II doesn't really require aid as he cares nothing for his people. Any sanctions imposed on him are a waste of time and effort. We may as well all brace ourselves for a long drawn out load of nothing.

The US, UK and UN did nothing to stop the genocides of Africa in the last 15 years and they will do nothing about the slow painfull death of North Koreans either.

The only thing that you would think will bring action is the testing or near completion of Nuclear capability. But then who are we to say they can't have these weapons? But if we stand back are South Korea gone?

Either way I don't think much is going to happn for a long time and the latest missile test's are just posturing from Kim Jong II

[zombievictim]

The missiles he fired, weren't those supposed to hit Alaska? I read something about that and if they had, wouldn't that be considered terms for war?

[BorderEevilIII]

Is Kim Jong like the New Saddam Hussien?!?!? Or did he just got pissy when he caught wind of this movie?

http://images.tlavideo.com/images/catalog_gaybase/208923.jpg

[echo_bravo]

Then the power rests in the people of North Korea to fight politically or violently to overthrow Jong
"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

If people are so desperate to make change in their country, they have to wake up and realize they outnumber the politicians. Violence may not be right in certain cases, but it works extremely well to make political change.

I think you have seen V for Vendetta way too many times.

[Vong]

I think you have seen V for Vendetta way too many times.

Really? How could you tell? :rolleyes:

[jeo4]

Originally posted by BorderEevilIII
Is Kim Jong like the New Saddam Hussien?!?!? Or did he just got pissy when he caught wind of this movie?

http://images.tlavideo.com/images/catalog_gaybase/208923.jpg

Naw. He was pissed at this comparison...separated at birth:

http://hammeroftruth.com/images/articles/703-kim_jong_il.jpg

Kim Jong Il

http://www.cnn.com/EARTH/9509/punky_monkeys/cass.jpg

Cotton Top Tamarin

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by zombievictim
The missiles he fired, weren't those supposed to hit Alaska? I read something about that and if they had, wouldn't that be considered terms for war?

It was Hawaii.

At this point, I would have few qualms with turning Pyongyang into a radioactive parking lot.

[Lynn7]

We know the guy is crazy and that he is evil. Fortunately the world knows it too.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by jeo4
How about secretly arming said revolution and speeding it up? The sooner this little monkey is dead, the better.

This guy makes Big Brother's government looks like an anarchist state. Do you really think you could possibly sneak across weapons the border and into the hands of some Anti-Communist rebels without the state knowing about it? Besides, asking North Korean to fight against Kim Jong-Il is like asking a christian to go back in time and partake in the whipping. Their devotion would never allow such a thing.

We just need to let them really hit rock bottom and avoid giving the state something they can rally the people behind. The way things are going, I know they won't be able to keep it up forever.

[Tuukka]

North-Koreans worship their leader. They have been brainwashed for decades, generation after generation. If you want to go to war with NK, you'll have to kill all the North-Koreans before you reach Kim Jong. And wouldn't that be kind of pointless, if you're trying to "save" them? Kim Jong has no problem whatsoever in equipping every woman and child in his nation with knives and axes, and sending them off to the battlefield. And what's worse, people would follow the lead. Because he is their God.

Every dictatorship dies sooner or later. Eventually Kim Jong will be gone. There will be power struggles. There will be more and more angry, unsatisfied citizens. Eventually the house of cards will collapse.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by jeo4
http://hammeroftruth.com/images/articles/703-kim_jong_il.jpg

Kim Jong Il


Every time I see him, I question if I hooked him up at a South Beach rave in the early 90s. If it really is him - he does a mean lock-and-pop




Then the power rests in the people of North Korea to fight politically or violently to overthrow Jong

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."

If people are so desperate to make change in their country, they have to wake up and realize they outnumber the politicians. Violence may not be right in certain cases, but it works extremely well to make political change.


Now we can only hope that the people of North Korea have seen V FOR VENDETTA.