Filipino woman testifies in Marine rape trial

[Joshmo]

She says she was too drunk (http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060706/2006-07-06T104200Z_01_MAN147638_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-CRIME-PHILIPPINES-USA-DC.html) to recall how she ended up in the van with a Marine on top of her

Oh - Me - So - Ho - Nee ...

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Joshmo
She says she was too drunk to recall how she ended up in the van with a Marine on top of her

Oh - Me - So - Ho - Nee ...


Yeah, this is a real fucking knee slapper, there Joshmo. Not only are you several thousand miles off on your stereotypes....


Prosecution witnesses have told the court they saw a woman drinking with the Marines at a bar on the night of the attack and her being carried outside into a van by one of the sailors.

Other witnesses said they saw a woman being carried from the van and left on the pavement with her pants around her knees.

A doctor told the court the woman had bruises on her arms, legs and genital area that were consistent with sexual assault.


RDRR! Those Asian chicks love their gangbangs!
:rolleyes:

[Joshmo]

I like my Stereotyping just fine thanks - Of course she didnt deserve to get raped - I just find it funny, how someone can be so drunk and not know how the fuck they got where they are. I just dont have much sympathy for her - even though if she got raped I hope she wins the case.

[darchangel]

Originally posted by Joshmo
I like my Stereotyping just fine thanks - Of course she didnt deserve to get raped - I just find it funny, how someone can be so drunk and not know how the fuck they got where they are. I just dont have much sympathy for her - even though if she got raped I hope she wins the case.


I don't care if she was so drunk that she puked up an empty case of Pabst Blue Ribbons bottles...anyone who was raped deserves sympathy...in some ways it's worse than murdering someone.



~darchangel~

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Joshmo
I like my Stereotyping just fine thanks - Of course she didnt deserve to get raped - I just find it funny, how someone can be so drunk and not know how the fuck they got where they are. I just dont have much sympathy for her - even though if she got raped I hope she wins the case.


Women don't usually have to drink as much as men do to get drunk enough to forget the journey between point A and point B. And being that Filipino women are usually petite, unless she'd developed a high tolerance or just had a big meal to soak up the alcohol, she didn't have to swallow the bar to become that enebriated.

[zombievictim]

Rapes rape and murders murder. They both have consequences when the evidence is good enough. Though we're not talking about murder here, it should still be on the same level as rape so that's why I used it. So, as long as there is enough evidence the marines should be punished. If there's not enough evidence and its only the womens accusations then who cares. She's just a liar.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Joshmo
I just find it funny, how someone can be so drunk and not know how the fuck they got where they are.

You're joking right?

Are you a Mormon or some sort of tea toddler who's never actually been really drunk? Do you really think people who are found passed out at the wheel with their car in a ditch, wake up and go, "What? Oh, that's right! I swerved into this ditch!" You should start correspondence with Billy Joel, man. He could probably tell you a lot.

Memory loss is a pretty common symptom with alcohol intoxication. This is common knowledge.


What happened? Alcohol, Memory Blackouts, and the Brain from the National Institue on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/186-196.htm)

http://www.uhs.umich.edu/wellness/aod/mythandfacts.html

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/alcohol/

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1594864632.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V54438487_.jpg

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/hkh0067l.jpg




Look man, if you want us to believe that you were really making a point about how its funny that someone can't remember something while being really drunk, and not a point that she was probably "into it" then that is fine. I'll buy it, but I can't speak for everyone else.



zombievictim:

If there's not enough evidence and its only the womens accusations then who cares.

Did you read the article? There is eye witness accounts of her being dropped out a van with her pants down, and medical reports of bruising all over her.

Maybe the guys were just "rough" but the stories don't match up if they are saying only one went at it. What? Did everyone else just watch? Maybe that's not rape, but it's something that deserves a pain in the ass - no pun intended if these guys end up in military prison, I'm just saying what they did doesn't sound like something we should want our soldiers known for doing. Carrying her out to the van, and dumping her off really isn't setting a good name for our troops. Play with fire and you get burned, and all that jazz.

[Joshmo]

Your shit cracks me up..

I'm supposed to feel sorry or understand how someone can wake up drunk behind a wheel? Am I missing something?

And yes, I have been drunk MANY TIMES - I just happn to not be the loser type who drinks til he blacks out - even at my drunkest, I have always known where I am and what I am doing. So, no - zero symps from me.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Joshmo

And yes, I have been drunk MANY TIMES - I just happn to not be the loser type who drinks til he blacks out - even at my drunkest, I have always known where I am and what I am doing. So, no - zero symps from me.


So then you know you don't have to pass out to not remember parts of the night, right?

I've gone bar hopping with friends and the next day I don't remember the journey between point A and point B, but I still managed to walk crosstown without falling or needing the assistance of friends to keep me up.

Like I said, if she was petite or didn't have a high tolerance, or hey, even drugged, it wouldn't take much alcohol to get her intoxicated.

[Joshmo]

If you mean, like how someone can recall shit they did 10 years ago but cant remember where they put their car keys or what they ate for dinner the night before - we have that at one time or another - yes I know people black out from drinking - and I dont give a shit - if ya have that problem even without passing out - then stop drinking cause you got some serious problems if you cant stop at the lite drunk or happy buzz and gotta enter into dark territory - no symps.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Joshmo
Your shit cracks me up..

I'm supposed to feel sorry or understand how someone can wake up drunk behind a wheel? Am I missing something?

And yes, I have been drunk MANY TIMES - I just happn to not be the loser type who drinks til he blacks out - even at my drunkest, I have always known where I am and what I am doing. So, no - zero symps from me.


Exactly when did I say you were supposed to feel sorry for her? My understanding of what you were saying was that you found it suspicious that she claims to not remember anything.

If the point you were seeking in posting this thread was to discuss the comedic value of someone being so drunk that they had memory loss --- Well, obviously I misunderstood, as I thought there was a political discussion going on regarding the credibility of someone accusing US Marines of rape, but no - the real purpose here was to make join in with the laughter surrounding people being so drunk they can't remember anything.

No wonder I'm cracking you up.

[AWP82]

Here's what I think Joshmo's saying (and he's welcome to correct me if I'm wrong)...

Either A.) Her "too drunk" excuse for not remembering how it all went down takes away from her credibility, which could mean one or both of two things...she was "into it" but isn't letting on, or she brought what happened on herself by drinking irresponsibly, yet that doesn't mean he actually condones what happened to her.

...B.) Drunk people deserve what they get no matter what, even if it's rape, simply for being irresposible, and he happens to find all this funny.

...C.) She's completely full of shit. End of story.

...or D.) All of the above.

Hopefully, it's C at best, and A at worst. Otherwise, I don't know what to make of what he's saying. :confused:

(No offense to him, by the way.)

EDIT: On second thought, why don't I just ask him what he means instead of putting words into his mouth. Joshmo, what are you getting at? You'll have to spell it out for me. I'm obviously dumb.

[The Postmaster General]

I actually didn't see Joshmo's response to electriclite before posting my explanation of why I was responding the way I was. We probably should just wait to see the full explanation, because hopefully I'm not getting it either.

From where I stand, there are no laws against intoxication (unless you are a nuisance) but there are laws against rape. People should have the freedom to drink to a stupor without the fear of being gang raped. To me, it's like telling a woman she shouldn't be wearing a revealing outfit, or shouldn't smile back at men on the streets --- when it comes down to it, people shouldn't force people into sexual acts.

I've been in lots of clubs, bars, and parties, and have seen lots of really drunk gals, breasteses and rumps all hanging out, bumping against you on the dance floor, stroking your ego, and for the most part, they are just having fun, and will part ways before last call. I'm not the type of loser who's going to do what ever I want, even take advantage of a situation that jeopardizes someone's freewill.

Back in Tampa, a lot of homeless people (usually crack-addled) would rob drunk people coming from clubs, because their guard was down, and the were more defenseless -- not even black out drunk, sometimes just tipsy. No one deserves to be victimized.

[AWP82]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
I actually didn't see Joshmo's response to electriclite before posting my explanation of why I was responding the way I was. We probably should just wait to see the full explanation, because hopefully I'm not getting it either.

Yeah, I'll just wait. None of what I speculated was meant to antagonize him, but I had to inquire. I'm still not getting it.

From where I stand, there are no laws against intoxication (unless you are a nuisance) but there are laws against rape. People should have the freedom to drink to a stupor without the fear of being gang raped. To me, it's like telling a woman she shouldn't be wearing a revealing outfit, or shouldn't smile back at men on the streets --- when it comes down to it, people shouldn't force people into sexual acts.

I've been in lots of clubs, bars, and parties, and have seen lots of really drunk gals, breasteses and rumps all hanging out, bumping against you on the dance floor, stroking your ego, and for the most part, they are just having fun, and will part ways before last call. I'm not the type of loser who's going to do what ever I want, even take advantage of a situation that jeopardizes someone's freewill.

Back in Tampa, a lot of homeless people (usually crack-addled) would rob drunk people coming from clubs, because their guard was down, and the were more defenseless -- not even black out drunk, sometimes just tipsy. No one deserves to be victimized.

That about sums up my feelings on the matter. Very well said!

[Lynn7]

Have any of you ever heard of Camilie Paglia? She is very liberal but she goes against many teachings of the Women's movement. One thing she says is how they say that a woman should be able to go out and walk the street at any time of day or night and wear whatever she wants. Camille says this is just plain stupid. Women need to be smart about the things they do. Walking around late at night is dumb and so it dressing provacatively.

I think women also need to take care when they are drinking and out and about. It's one thing to drink in the safety of your home but when you go out to clubs etc you should not be getting drunk unless you have a sober keeper with you who will take responsilibity. Otherwise you are putting yourself in danger. You will not have good judgement and you will be weak and vulnerable to any dangers.

Men need to be careful too. It is so easy to be accused of rape these days- look at the Duke case! Men should not have sex with people who they do not know and they should keep good company. Men should stay away from stippers or other people who live along the edges. Men have to be smart too. Men should not go around drunk either and they should stay away from women they don't know, especially if they are drunk.

[electriclite]

Wasn't this the same discussion brought up when that girl got killed by that bouncer up here in NYC?

[The Postmaster General]

But at the same time Lynn, crime can happen at anytime and to anyone. It's like these burglars who move from their neighborhood and strike in upscale neighborhoods. We all know that home invasions and break-ins can happen, so should we call people stupid who don't have alarm systems? If someone's car is broken into, and their stereo stolen - should they have known better than to have a nice system? If a church is vandalized, should we say the church was stupid for leaving its doors open to the public?

[AWP82]

Hey Bubba, will you be my spokesperson?

Somehow everything you say on every topic just sums up how I feel so perfectly. Your posts always save me LOADS of typing (and LOTS of thinking beforehand). I can always count on you to come in, say your piece, and represent your would-be "peeps" with uber class. So let's make it official.

Just sign your name right here... ________________________, and we're good to go. ;)

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
But at the same time Lynn, crime can happen at anytime and to anyone. It's like these burglars who move from their neighborhood and strike in upscale neighborhoods. We all know that home invasions and break-ins can happen, so should we call people stupid who don't have alarm systems? If someone's car is broken into, and their stereo stolen - should they have known better than to have a nice system? If a church is vandalized, should we say the church was stupid for leaving its doors open to the public?


Anyone can be a victim of a crime but let's not make it easier for them to target us. If a girl is home at midnight she is less likely to be the victim of a rapist who is prowling the streets at 2 am. If a woman dresses provacatively, she is less likely to attract the sexual attention of a predator.

We might not have alarm systems but we are intructed to always keep our doors locked and not to open them to strangers. We are instructed not to drink and drive because our reflexes are off. Well, our judgement is off too.

Electriclite, that girl in New York is a perfect example. No one could say she was at fault because they were screamed down. She was not at fault for the murder. The murderer was at fault for that. But she had been at the bar drinking and when her friend or friends were leaving for the night, she refused to go with them. That was a huge mistake. She was in no condition to protect herself and her friends did not look out for her. They probably beleived that is was her right to be out wherever she wanted at whatever time she wanted and also that she could drink as much as she wanted. But if she had left with them chances are good she would've still been alive. If I had a duaghter I would teach her to be wise. I never had any though but I do tell my sons to be smart about who they keep company with and also that nothing good ever comes from being out after midnight. That's when most of the criminals and drunks are on the streets.

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Anyone can be a victim of a crime but let's not make it easier for them to target us. If a girl is home at midnight she is less likely to be the victim of a rapist who is prowling the streets at 2 am. If a woman dresses provacatively, she is less likely to attract the sexual attention of a predator.


Lynn, most rapes happen in the home, and provocative dress isn't a factor.



We might not have alarm systems but we are intructed to always keep our doors locked and not to open them to strangers. We are instructed not to drink and drive because our reflexes are off. Well, our judgement is off too.

So you would say that a church that is vandalized is stupid for leaving its doors open to the public?

[echo_bravo]

Men should stay away from stippers or other people who live along the edges. Men have to be smart too. Men should not go around drunk either and they should stay away from women they don't know, especially if they are drunk.

Fuck that!

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Lynn, most rapes happen in the home, and provocative dress isn't a factor.





So you would say that a church that is vandalized is stupid for leaving its doors open to the public?

The churches in my area do not leave their doors open when something is not going on. I'm sure they have been burnt before.

I know that rapes can occur no matter what someone does but women and girls should not put themselves in the position to make it easier to be targetted. There are many good tips the police put out about how to be less of a target. It's just that politics forbids them from mentioning clothing and what time of day to be out. So I guess it becomes the moms' job to teach this.

[darchangel]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I know that rapes can occur no matter what someone does but women and girls should not put themselves in the position to make it easier to be targetted. There are many good tips the police put out about how to be less of a target. It's just that politics forbids them from mentioning clothing and what time of day to be out. So I guess it becomes the moms' job to teach this.


Please rent this:


http://www.moviecrawler.net/images/description/Accused.jpg



~darchangel~

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I know that rapes can occur no matter what someone does but women and girls should not put themselves in the position to make it easier to be targetted. There are many good tips the police put out about how to be less of a target. It's just that politics forbids them from mentioning clothing and what time of day to be out. So I guess it becomes the moms' job to teach this.



Lynn, most rapes occur in the home - usually while the victim is laying in bed.

It's like saying you shouldn't drive if you want to be avoid being killed by a drunk driver.

All you are doing is applying judgement to people who's lifestyle is different from your own, but instilling scare tactics. You are trying to make women share the blame with a rapist by saying they shouldn't have dressed a certain way, or shouldn't have done a certain thing --- Conveniently, all things you don't do.

You KNOW that rapes are a crime of violence, and not a crime of passion or arousal, you know this, yet you keep stating that the women can make themselves less arousing in order to prevent being VICTIMIZED.

Lynn - go sell your car, all of your electronics, jewelry, pull your kids from school, stop meeting people if you believe the tripe you are passing off. Because, by your own statements, if you are ever victimized, or if your children are molested in school - there were things you could have done to prevent it.

This isn't a women's lib issue, this isn't anything, but truth. Provocative dress isn't a factor is most rape cases, but being a woman is --- So taking your own advice, you better go start disguising yourself, and living your life as a man, because if you are ever, God forbid, victimized by rape, there were things you could have done to prevent it.