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Lynn7
07-08-2006, 10:25 PM
From New York Daily News

Bomb tunnel, flood city

One man is busted in Beirut, others hunted across
globe and terrorists are seen linked to Zarqawi



BY ALLISON GENDAR in New York
and JAMES GORDON MEEK in Washington
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS


New Jersey-bound traffic speeds through Holland Tunnel beneath more than 40 feet of earth and concrete - and the Hudson. Experts say that terrorists would need huge amount of explosives, and even more expertise to have a chance to rupture the tunnel.

The FBI has uncovered what officials consider a serious plot by jihadists to bomb the Holland Tunnel in hopes of causing a torrent of water to deluge lower Manhattan, the Daily News has learned.
The terrorists sought to drown the Financial District as New Orleans was by Hurricane Katrina, sources said. They also wanted to attack subways and other tunnels.

Counterterrorism officials are alarmed by the "lone wolf" terror plot because they allegedly got a pledge of financial and tactical support from Jordanian associates of top terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi before he was killed in Iraq, a counterterrorism source told The News.

It's not clear, however, if any cash or assistance was delivered.

The News has learned that at the request of U.S. officials, authorities in Beirut arrested one of the alleged conspirators, identified as Amir Andalousli, in recent months. Agents were scrambling yesterday to try to nab other suspects, sources said.

They didn't indicate how many people were the target of the international dragnet but said they were scattered all over the world.

"This is an ongoing operation," one source said.

U.S. agents were allowed to take part in the interrogation of Andalousli, a source said.

FBI and New York City Police Department officials would not comment yesterday about the investigation, which has been kept under wraps for months.

The plotters wanted to detonate a massive amount of explosives inside the Holland Tunnel to blast a hole that would destroy the tunnel, everyone in it, and send a devastating flood shooting through the streets of lower Manhattan.

It is assumed by officials the thugs would try to use vehicles packed with explosives.

Sources said that New York City officials believed the plan could conceivably work with enough explosives placed in the middle of the tunnel, which runs underneath the river bed, a source said.

But others doubted the plot was feasible.

"You are talking major, major explosives and knowledge of blast effect to make this happen," said another senior counterterrorism source.

Besides bedrock, the tunnel is protected by concrete and cast-iron steel.

Experts also said that even if the tunnel cracked, the Financial District would not be flooded because it is above the level of the river.

The FBI discovered the plot by monitoring Internet chat rooms, where the aspiring terrorists discussed striking the U.S. economy, rather than causing mass casualties, a source said.

"They're hell-bent on destroying the economy in the U.S.," a counterterrorism source said.

Al Qaeda founder Bin Laden has often urged his followers to "bleed" America financially.

The Lebanese government had been expected to release a statement about Andalousli's arrest but was asked by the U.S. to hold off while operations to disrupt the plot continued, sources said.

Sources contrasted the chat room jihadists to the seven wanna-be Al Qaeda cell members arrested in a poor area of Miami by the FBI last week, who appeared to have no capability of carrying out plots they hatched to bomb FBI offices in several cities including New York.

"This is more advanced than the Miami Seven," said one of the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The disclosure of the Holland Tunnel plot came at the same time Homeland Security Department officials announced a boost in funds to protect rail and transit lines in the New York City area yesterday.

Last month, DHS cut New York's high-threat grants by almost half. But yesterday, DHS Undersecretary George Foresman said the $47 million rail security grants, which were 25% higher than last year's, were in response to increased risks after the 2004 Madrid and 2005 London rail bombings.

The Postmaster General
07-09-2006, 10:05 AM
I didn't finish the article, because I'm trying to figure out how bombing the tunnel would flood lower Manhattan. The tunnel runs beneath the water - you go down to travel through it. Wouldn't it just flood the tunnel? It's not a dam, it's a tunnel that goes under the river. It doesn't make any sense.

While any bomb going off is not a good thing, even outside the US which a lot of people seem to forget, this article sounds a bit alarmist, or at least misleading. I'll wait until other schmoes chime in more.

Lynn7
07-09-2006, 11:17 AM
I think the ariticle shows that damage can occur even by a few people, which we already know. It also shows how the main goal is to disrupt our economy and bring us down that way. It also says what you did that the tunnel bombing would not flood the city so this means that there are no geniuses involved in this endeavor, thank God.

The Postmaster General
07-09-2006, 11:31 AM
Don't get me wrong - that tunnel is really important. I just couldn't figure out why it started with the caption "bomb tunnel flood city".

Taking out the tunnel would be horrible - there's a lot of people in there at any given time, and it's a primary route for workers and visitors to get in and out of the city.

Actually, this makes me wonder what safe guards they have to prevent this. It would take a lot of explosives from what the article was saying. I wonder if there is a weigh station built into the toll booths? That would be probably the best prevention they could have. I don't remember if trucks are aloud to pass through - I'm thinking not, but really can't remember.

bigred760
07-09-2006, 12:14 PM
CNN also said that bombing the tunnel would not flood Manhattan - but it would obviously be another horrible day in the country's history.

I'm beginning to wonder about all these plots and terrorists being uncovered in such a short time span - first the seven caught planning on blowing up the Sears Tower and other landmarks and now this. I'm either really encouraged that these people are being caught in the process, or really worried that this stuff is still going on and we know very little about it.

The Postmaster General
07-09-2006, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by bigred760
I'm beginning to wonder about all these plots and terrorists being uncovered in such a short time span - first the seven caught planning on blowing up the Sears Tower and other landmarks and now this. I'm either really encouraged that these people are being caught in the process, or really worried that this stuff is still going on and we know very little about it.


Do you think political maneuvering has anything to do with this?

I only say this because the drug trade almost comes to a halt anytime an election is near. With all of the things going on about us pulling out of Iraq, a suspicious person could have a lot to consider.

bigred760
07-09-2006, 12:28 PM
I think about it, but I hate being a conspiracy theorist. But it's hard to deny that these things are popping up right before an election. And it's even more difficult to think that the seven arrested a few weeks ago seem to be nothing more than scapegoats or something. That or they just look like they have nothing to do with it.

echo_bravo
07-09-2006, 03:52 PM
Do you think political maneuvering has anything to do with this?

Or that are defense is actually going a good job, but then that would be giving the Bush administration credit...and we cant do that now can we?:D

Thrizzle
07-09-2006, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Do you think political maneuvering has anything to do with this?

I only say this because the drug trade almost comes to a halt anytime an election is near. With all of the things going on about us pulling out of Iraq, a suspicious person could have a lot to consider.

Theres also the release of the london bomber video.

Back to the tunnel plot, how will this government continue to justify cutting NY anti-terror funds? The city is obviously a high priority for terrorists.