Dwyane Wade or LeBron James

[SuperFlash]

Who's the better player today?

[jaw2929]

They're both phenomenal fuckin' athletes... It's hard to compare their styles... Flash is what he is, fast and cuts right to the hoop... Has a solid shot, plays D quite well, and has already won an NBA Championship.... He's only going to improve with time!

LeBron's the Magic Johnson of the Millennium in my mind... Can play any position, great ball handling skills, decent shot and can CREATE his own plays and shots in crunch time... A fucking solid all around player who's also only going to get BETTER!

These guys are the HIGHLIGHTS of the famed 2003 Rookie Class, and I don't think Carmelo Anthony can touch either one honestly... And just imagine, these guys are in their early fucking 20's still, and look at all they've accomplished thus far! It's crazy to think that they're going continue to improve their game and just fucking evolve into the future of the league! It's hard to pick just one, but in the back of my mind, I'm slightly more partial to Dwyane Wade... (Just by a hair! :p)

[brodeurnumber1]

LeBron, and it's not really close. LeBron is much more of a complete player than Wade(despite the fact that he isn't much of a defensive player, but he'll develop into one). Wade is also a little more selfish than LeBron, and it showed a bit in the playoffs(him ignoring open teammates to drive to the basket although it worked). Although I consider Carmelo much more of a clutch player than either, I give the edge to LeBron because given D-Wade's team, he would have won the Championship in 4 games.

Kobe's still better than both at this point in time, though.

[cletus66]

Untill LeBron has won a championship I would have to give the edge to Dwayne Wade. Although in terms of talent LeBron does hold a slight edge, but in my mind the ring gives Wade the edge right now.

[SuperFlash]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
LeBron, and it's not really close. LeBron is much more of a complete player than Wade(despite the fact that he isn't much of a defensive player, but he'll develop into one). Wade is also a little more selfish than LeBron, and it showed a bit in the playoffs(him ignoring open teammates to drive to the basket although it worked). Although I consider Carmelo much more of a clutch player than either,[b] I give the edge to LeBron because given D-Wade's team, he would have won the Championship in 4 games.

LOL, this is ridiculous.

I wonder how long people can stand to keep their heads willfully stuck in the sand about how good Wade is before they start becoming parodies of themselves.

Wade just put on one of the most dominating performances in Finals history, with Shaq putting up crap #s, and people are still writing him off, lol. Some of Wade's biggest moments in this series came with Shaq on the bench with foul trouble, or avoiding Hack-a-Shaq. But still, people doubt, saying X could've done it better.

Only 3 players in NBA history averaged more ppg en route to Finals MVP. Wade became only the 5th player in history to drop 35 points 4 games in a row (something MJ only did once himself, 93)--I guess this and more, doesn't rate anymore.

Through 3 years in the league, BTW, for all the hoopla Lebron entered with, and all the talk about him being younger and having more potential, Wade has a) accomplished more than LBJ and b) improved more than LBJ. And they started out much closer than people realized at that.

What I don't understand about the comments about Lebron is that he is credited with things people think he can do and will do rather than what he has actually done.

Also, I really hate the "Switch player A and player B" line of argument, for its terrible circularity. You can only make that point stick by first assuming that one of the two players is 'CLEARLY' actually better than the other, assuming what you seek to prove is the height of logical fallacy.

[mdpuff01]

Wade is further along and that's expected. He went to college for 3 years, and in the NBA got to play with Shaq and for Pat Riley this past season. He's more complete, being slightly better on defense and a more complete scoring game.

Lebron is the more talented player, period. He's working with nothing and still managed to make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. He makes any one better and is becoming a great help defender. His game is very raw, as when he goes to the basket he lacks Wade's finesse and grace, instead looking more like that 7th grader who went through puberty before every one else and just runs through guys. The game is more effortless for him and he's a tougher player to guard (ask Tayshaun Prince or Ron Artest who the toughest guy in the league is to defend). Put decent players around him and a better coach and this wouldn't even be a discussion.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by SuperFlash
LOL, this is ridiculous.

I wonder how long people can stand to keep their heads willfully stuck in the sand about how good Wade is before they start becoming parodies of themselves.

Wade just put on one of the most dominating performances in Finals history, with Shaq putting up crap #s, and people are still writing him off, lol. Some of Wade's biggest moments in this series came with Shaq on the bench with foul trouble, or avoiding Hack-a-Shaq. But still, people doubt, saying X could've done it better.

Only 3 players in NBA history averaged more ppg en route to Finals MVP. Wade became only the 5th player in history to drop 35 points 4 games in a row (something MJ only did once himself, 93)--I guess this and more, doesn't rate anymore.

Through 3 years in the league, BTW, for all the hoopla Lebron entered with, and all the talk about him being younger and having more potential, Wade has a) accomplished more than LBJ and b) improved more than LBJ. And they started out much closer than people realized at that.

What I don't understand about the comments about Lebron is that he is credited with things people think he can do and will do rather than what he has actually done.

Also, I really hate the "Switch player A and player B" line of argument, for its terrible circularity. You can only make that point stick by first assuming that one of the two players is 'CLEARLY' actually better than the other, assuming what you seek to prove is the height of logical fallacy.

LeBron took the Pistons to 7 games in a series basically by himself. His number 2 option(Larry Hughes) was gone for 2-3 games(can't remember how many) and was ineffective in the rest of the series. He was CONSTANTLY double teamed. Why wasn't Wade? He had Shaq in the middle for him.

And here, you want something?

Shaq/Alonzo >>>>>>Illgauskas/Varejao
Haslem >>> Gooden/Marshall(Haslem does a lot of dirty work and is a FAR better defender than Gooden)
Jason Williams/Gary Payton >>>>The platoon of Damon Jones and Eric Snow

Miami had every single advantage possible. They had guys dying for a title(Payton, Alonzo, Walker, Williams) who were willing to put their giant egos in place to win a title, and when they are working as a whole they are unstoppable. Cleveland didn't have one god damn consistent player besides LeBron in the entire playoffs.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
Although I consider Carmelo much more of a clutch player than either, I give the edge to LeBron because given D-Wade's team, he would have won the Championship in 4 games.

LeBron took the Pistons to 7 games in a series basically by himself. His number 2 option(Larry Hughes) was gone for 2-3 games(can't remember how many) and was ineffective in the rest of the series. He was CONSTANTLY double teamed. Why wasn't Wade? He had Shaq in the middle for him.





Oh, please. I agree with you a lot of the time but that's BS. Did you SEE D-Wade perform in his rookie post-season against the Indiana pacers? Almost took them down single-handedly as a ROOKIE. And then everyone saw this post-season, so how you say Carmelo is a more clutch player than him is just astonishing. How can he be a better clutch player when he hasn't come through in the clutch 1/2 as many times as Wade?

Plus, the whole "LeBron almost took down the Pistons" argument proves my point. LeBron does not have the killer instinct. The Pistons should have been finished game 6 of that series, but LeBron all of the sudden couldn't shoot, missed a free throw, and couldn't finish his drives in the last 2 minutes of the game. And then, after he's elminated by the Pistons, he claims "No one expected us to go this far against Detroit." - which is total crap, because that makes him sound satisfied with what he did. He should have beaten the Pistons, because he was playing better than that entire team. But we was happy enough just making a big improvement from last year where he didn't make the playoffs. Wade, on the other hand, wasn't satisfied with anything but a championship, and dominated for weeks to prove it. Wade's hunger and will to win are much greater than LeBron's, which is what makes him better.

[SuperFlash]

He was CONSTANTLY double teamed. Why wasn't Wade? He had Shaq in the
middle for him

Wade and LeBron are 2 of the top players this league has, and defenses as a whole adjust to trying to stop these players from killing them. You're sitting here telling me Wade was not doubled or the defense of the Pistons didn't adjust to trying to stop him? It may seem that way, but if you take a look at how each player attacks the double teams, you will see why it may have seemed LeBron didn't have so much success vs. the Pistons. When the double came for Wade, he has the speed and the quickness to split the double, since
he's smaller than LeBron, and if he wasn't able to split it, he was finding his open shooters to make shots.

Wade was by far the best player in the Heat/Pistons series, the Detroit defense was aimed at trying to get the ball out of Wade's hands and forcing him to shoot from the field, instead of taking the ball to the hoop. They were constantly going to a Zone Defense, to try and prevent Wade's penetration challenging Wade to shoot it, and Wade did and was consistently making the jumpers. Is that Wade's fault if he was finding ways to attack the double successfully?


And here, you want something?

Shaq/Alonzo >>>>>>Illgauskas/Varejao
Haslem >>> Gooden/Marshall(Haslem does a lot of dirty work and is a FAR better defender than Gooden)
Jason Williams/Gary Payton >>>>The platoon of Damon Jones and Eric
Snow

Last time I checked, just about every team that has won a title has
had help from their teammates, so if you're going to say X>Y yet Y<Z, it really doesn't carry any real weight, because the history of this league proven that just about every great player has needed contributions from their team overall; Larry Bird had 2 HOFs in Robert Parish/Kevin McHale. Magic Johnson had a HOF as well in Kareem Abdul Jabar. MJ also had a HOF in Pippen, along with their cast of characters: Paxson, Kerr, Rodman, Wennington, etc. Duncan also had a soon to
be HOF in David Robinson, along with Manu Gibobili, Tony Parker, Robert Horry etc.

Do we give these great players less credit and say the only reason they won because they had great players to play along side them? NO WAY! That would be absurd, and that is exactly what you're doing here; taking away the credit Wade earned, by saying the only reason he won is because his teammates are greater than LeBron's.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Oh, please. I agree with you a lot of the time but that's BS. Did you SEE D-Wade perform in his rookie post-season against the Indiana pacers? Almost took them down single-handedly as a ROOKIE. And then everyone saw this post-season, so how you say Carmelo is a more clutch player than him is just astonishing. How can he be a better clutch player when he hasn't come through in the clutch 1/2 as many times as Wade?

Plus, the whole "LeBron almost took down the Pistons" argument proves my point. LeBron does not have the killer instinct. The Pistons should have been finished game 6 of that series, but LeBron all of the sudden couldn't shoot, missed a free throw, and couldn't finish his drives in the last 2 minutes of the game. And then, after he's elminated by the Pistons, he claims "No one expected us to go this far against Detroit." - which is total crap, because that makes him sound satisfied with what he did. He should have beaten the Pistons, because he was playing better than that entire team. But we was happy enough just making a big improvement from last year where he didn't make the playoffs. Wade, on the other hand, wasn't satisfied with anything but a championship, and dominated for weeks to prove it. Wade's hunger and will to win are much greater than LeBron's, which is what makes him better.

It's a proven fact that Carmelo is the most clutch player in the league. Maybe not as much in the playoffs, but in the regular season he is the epiotme of clutch, even if he is facing double teams. Maybe if Carmelo got half the calls that Wade or LeBron got by the refs(don't even tell me those two don't get TONS of calls, because it would be bullshit), he would be able to get somewhere. Seriously, Wade got more help by the refs in the Finals than I've ever seen in my life.

For the record, I'm using the players around them argument because it makes a lot of sense. Seriously, LeBron's team around him is nothing. I'm sorry, but if you don't realize that, I can't help you. Wade is a great player, but he isn't as good as LeBron or Kobe.

And in the 2004 playoffs against the Pacers, Wade wasn't THAT great. He didn't score over 30 once, he had one double double, and Odom was just as big in that series(he played great for a rookie with 21 PPG and 5.7 AST, but it's not like he nearly took them to face the Pistons). Plus, it only went 6 games.

And the killer instinct thing, you don't think LeBron had it? He had it just as bad as Wade, he just didn't have the team around him to win it all.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1

And the killer instinct thing, you don't think LeBron had it? He had it just as bad as Wade, he just didn't have the team around him to win it all.

Then how do you explain what he said at the press conference after losing tot he Pistons? He was satisfied to get as far as he did, and didn't have the gusto to finish the job. You know what I'm talking about. He could have ended it at the end of Game 6, and he didn't, he choked.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Then how do you explain what he said at the press conference after losing tot he Pistons? He was satisfied to get as far as he did, and didn't have the gusto to finish the job. You know what I'm talking about. He could have ended it at the end of Game 6, and he didn't, he choked.

He was satisfied because there were no expectations with Cleveland. They were just supposed to lose easily to the Pistons, but they pushed them to the edge. The Heat were supposed to be championship material with all the talent they had, the Cavs weren't.

[SuperFlash]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1 Maybe if Carmelo got half the calls that Wade or LeBron got by the refs(don't even tell me those two don't get TONS of calls, because it would be bullshit), he would be able to get somewhere. Seriously, Wade got more help by the refs in the Finals than I've ever seen in my life.

Did you happen stop and consider why possibly Wade was at the FT line consistently? This little comment of Wade and the FT’s is getting old; and its mainly being echoed by those who watched the Finals casually, instead of with a keen interest and a close eye at what was actually unfolding within the game itself.

There is nothing more noteworthy than this little example: When the season was being decided in the crucial moments between the two evenly matched teams, Wade kept going to the free-throw line as much as the entire Dallas roster and made the plays down the stretch on both ends of the floor for his team. You can say w/e you’d like too, but Wade earned everything he got, by catapulting himself neck first to the rim without regard for consequences and other similar plays of being more aggressive in going to the basket, than settling for outside low % jumpers.

On the other hand you had Dallas's respective superstar afraid of taking it consistenly to the basket, and instead shooting over his defender; though he made many tough shots, you aren't going to get many calls and easy buckets shooting from 18 feet and out. Dirk Nowitzki didn't go into the basket as much against Miami as he did against San Antonio.



**And btw, I am not sure if you watched the Dallas/SA playoff series, but in that series: Dirk Nowitzki broke MJ's record for FT's in a postseason before the finals ended? And it’s not like Dirk was attacking the rim like MJ or Wade did. I think he had like 80+ FT's breaking MJ's record by a couple.



For the record, I'm using the players around them argument because it makes a lot of sense. Seriously.

So arguably if the greatest players this leage have needed some sort of help from their team, then even LeBron is bound to need some help as well.

As great as LeBron is now, he's just not a complete player on both ends to be able to do it by himself at this moment in his career, but in a few years I wouldn't be surprised. But no player by himself has ever won a title all by themselves, even as great as MJ was on both ends of the floor, w/o key rebounds from Rodman, key defensive stops by Pippen, blocks from Wennington and key 3 pt shots from Kukoc and Kerr, I doubt you see MJ sitting here with as many rings as he has today.

So it goes to say, using this argument of saying X has a better team around him and that’s why he won is circular logic, it’s a proven fact that you need others around you to win.

Wade is a great player, but he isn't as good as LeBron or Kobe.

This is the 2nd time, if I am not mistaken, you’ve said this or something similar, would you please care to elaborate why?

Because imo Kobe is by in large, the better overall player b/w LeBron and Wade. Both Wade and LeBron have some ways to go before they possess the overall game Kobe does on both ends of the floor.

[SuperFlash]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw

Plus, the whole "LeBron almost took down the Pistons" argument proves my point. LeBron does not have the killer instinct. The Pistons should have been finished game 6 of that series, but LeBron all of the sudden couldn't shoot, missed a free throw, and couldn't finish his drives in the last 2 minutes of the game. And then, after he's elminated by the Pistons, he claims "No one expected us to go this far against Detroit." - which is total crap, because that makes him sound satisfied with what he did. He should have beaten the Pistons, because he was playing better than that entire team. But we was happy enough just making a big improvement from last year where he didn't make the playoffs. Wade, on the other hand, wasn't satisfied with anything but a championship, and dominated for weeks to prove it. Wade's hunger and will to win are much greater than LeBron's, which is what makes him better. [/B]

To elaborate more on your point:

Motivation sometimes in sports is definitely a driving force, but last time I saw the Heat down and completely dead in the water (Game 3, NBA Finals, 0-2 in the series, down 13 with 6 mins to go) with all the motivated individuals that seemed to be on the Heat's roster (Shaq, Williams, Walker, Payton, Zo) they weren't able to do anything when the team needed them the most with all their motivation and the opportunity prove others wrong, except for that one individual in Wade, who albeitly single handedly brought his team back from an 0-2 deficit to a 4-2 series win in the NBA Finals, of all places.

The Heat were down 13 with 6 mins and change left to go; they looked completely horrid, and were on the verge of going down 0-3 in the Finals. Then Riley called a time-out and said absolutely nothing, but he did write on his play board the words: Season and that’s it. A few secs later, Wade and Zo started to talk, and started echoing, how far we’ve all come and how close we all are to the elusive title we’ve all looked for and Wade delivered on his comments and he didn’t take “no” for an answer. He did everything possible to bring his team back in that game, and he came up with the game winning block as time expired, he did it on both ends of the floor.


Many can continue to doubt Wade, by saying he had X and Y on his team, but just go back in the history of this game and look at all the great players who have played this game and you will clearly see, what Wade did this post-season, is what VERY FEW in this league have ever done.

That is what separates the great players in this league from the good players; when everything is going wrong, they find ways to right the ship and deliver in times no one would expect.

[mdpuff01]

haha this isn't going anywhere. Bottom line is they're 2 of the 5 best players in the league, they've emerged as the best players in their class (well ahead of Melo and Bosh), and the NBA should showcase them at every opportunity they get. I just think because of Wade's situation (better players around him, better coach, college experience, etc.) he's understandably further along than Lebron as a player. No one can say whether or not the Heat would've won if they had Lebron instead of Wade or how far the Cavs would've gone with a better supporting cast. That line of thinking is purely hypothetical and really doesn't prove any point.

Hypothetically, Lebron will be as good as he wants to be. His upside is unmatched in the history of the game. Yeah, he doesn't have a killer instinct yet, but it's somethign he never needed. Wade got it in college, and in fact, if you look at the most clutch players in the league (with the notable exception of Kobe) they've all went to college and done well. Wade, Carmelo, Hamilton, Bibby... the list goes on. Also, he's playing on a team in a city that hasn't won anything in like 40 years, so can you really blame a 21 year old for being happy to take the best team of the regular season to 7 games? It's understandable that Lebron doesn't have it YET, but if he develops it like Kobe (instead of going the KG route) he will be unstoppable.

Lebron also has the physique to be a lock down defender. It's all mental, as he doesn't seem to want to exert the effort. Remember about 5 or 6 years ago, there was a serious debate about whether McGrady was better than Kobe. Once Kobe dedicated himself to defense and became an All NBA Defensive First Team regular, the argument was over. If Lebron does that (and he has much better tools to be a great defender than Wade) and develops his killer instinct, he's the most talented player in history.

However, those are all hypotheticals, and as I said in the first paragraph, hypothetical arguments prove nothing. It's all opinion. You can't go off potential, because a lot of times great players don't exercise their potential. Right now we have to take it for what it is: Wade is a more complete player, period. I don't see how that's debatable at this point

[SuperFlash]

Nice Post!

Yes, they are 2 of the best players in the league, yet the poster previously had made some odd statements, w.o providing any backing to it, which was kinda absurd; saying LeBron would've won 4-0 in the finals and what not....

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by SuperFlash
Nice Post!

Yes, they are 2 of the best players in the league, yet the poster previously had made some odd statements, w.o providing any backing to it, which was kinda absurd; saying LeBron would've won 4-0 in the finals and what not....

backing it up? How about a look at the stats of each team? Or hell, how about looking at the stats of the two side by side.

31.4 PPG > 27.2 PPG
7.0 RPG > 5.7 RPG
6.6 APG < 6.7 APG(although LeBron had the advantage if you add the total assists together
3.3 TO > 3.6 TO

LeBron also happened to average more PPG, more RPG, more APG, and such in the playoffs. I hated to delve into the stats because they don't mean much, but I did. For instance, Kirk Hinrich(who's the best PG defender in the league), held Wade to around 24 PPG in the first round. Not a defender in the league could have done that to LeBron(except a completely out of his mind motivated Ron Artest, who is perhaps the best perimeter defender in a long time).

[SuperFlash]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
backing it up? How about a look at the stats of each team? Or hell, how about looking at the stats of the two side by side.

31.4 PPG > 27.2 PPG
7.0 RPG > 5.7 RPG
6.6 APG < 6.7 APG(although LeBron had the advantage if you add the total assists together
3.3 TO > 3.6 TO

LeBron also happened to average more PPG, more RPG, more APG, and such in the playoffs. I hated to delve into the stats because they don't mean much, but I did. For instance, Kirk Hinrich(who's the best PG defender in the league), held Wade to around 24 PPG in the first round. Not a defender in the league could have done that to LeBron(except a completely out of his mind motivated Ron Artest, who is perhaps the best perimeter defender in a long time).
There's always one defender in the league for a player they hate to see.

Ron Artest has his troubles with Wade; look back at all the games over the past 3 season Sac/Indy the Heat have played. Yet he covers LeBron very well.


And again you are divulging off track and what not. You made the claim of LeBron would win 4-0, that's absurd, that is what I was referencing too. That just like anything is purely hypothetical and cannot be proven.

What I don't understand about the comments about Lebron is that he is credited with things people think he can do and will do rather than what he has actually done--If we are going to follow this suit.

Because what you've done there is assume, so if we want to keep trailing on the assumption route, we might as well consumate KG a Champion too, wouldn't you say? Because he too has never been blessed with great pieces around one can argue, but he has had talented individuals around him, yet they seem to choke in the playoffs. But consumating KG a champ is just as ludicrous as saying LeBron would win the finals 4-0.


Bottom Line: The Cavs lacked the mental toughness to close out Detroit (Lebron included).

The Cavs obviously had the talent, or else they wouldn't have been up 3-2 on the Pistons with the next game at home. Sometimes mental toughness has to be developed with mutliple trips to the playoffs -- you rarely (if ever) win it all in your first trip in like a decade.

Lebron's time will come.

[meccajay]

"I'll take Lebron for five hundred Alex.."

[SuperFlash]

It's the way Conventional Wisdom works, unfortunately...Kobe's going through it with the "selfish" criticism, Lebron has beein going through it with the "can't finish games" criticisms, and Wade with the "he's the refs love-child" criticism.

Some idea takes hold that has a slight grain in truth (Kobe and MJ take a lot of shots) but is actually overall innaccurate, and people look for evidence confirming their beliefs, discard the evidence that disconfirms their beliefs (even if its overwhelming), and become more and more cemented as they watch more games that they're correct. Kobe is a ball hog, Lebron is a choker, Wade wouldn't be considered elite if it wasn't for Shaq and the refs, etc etc.

Its called confirmation bias in psychology--we actrively look for evidence that confirms our beliefs, and avoid or discard evidence that disconfirms. Its the recogntion of this that leads to the scientific method, actually, and its the main reason why you should always be skeptical of Conventional Wisdom.

[notchreturns]

I don't like this question.

It's like asking would you prefer a blowjob everyday for the next 100 years or 100 centuries?

[mdpuff01]

I think my problem with people calling Lebron a choke artist is they expect so much from him. This was his first time in the playoffs, he's 21, and this is a franchise that never won anything. It's so unreasonable to label him a choker because there isn't a player in history that led their team to a title without learning how to lose first outside of Bill Russell, Kareem, and Duncan, but they all had extremely good supporting casts: Russell had Cousy and Sam Jones among others, Kareem won with Oscar Robertson as his point guard, and Duncan had Robinson who was still a top 5 center. Magic won as a rookie but Kareem was the star of that team. Jordan kept getting bounced by Detroit for years, Shaq was swept out of his first finals, Bird struggled with the Sixers, followed by Isiah struggling with Bird... to expect a 21 year old, no matter how great he may be, to come through time after time in big games without another all-star calibur player is insane. It's too early to determine whether Lebron's lack of big game performance is because of age and inexperience (like Shaq) or because he just doesn't have the edge (like Garnett). Lebron is the centerpiece for a dead franchise, but Wade was baptized by playing with Shaq in his 2nd year and for Pat Riley in his 3rd, so he HAD to step up before it became a matter of necessity for Lebron.

At the end of the day, we have to remember 3 things. First off, as I'm sure we can all agree on, neither player is at their peak so this isn't a judgment on potential, it's a judgment on right now, which is why I choose Wade. Secondly, arguments like this usually turn at a specific point where two players are in similar situations and one outperforms the other. Look back just 15 years ago, where it wasn't clear who was better between Clyde Drexler and Michael Jordan. They met in the '92 finals, Jordan dominated, and that argument was never heard again. I also recall there being debates about 5 years ago as to who was better between Duncan and Garnett, but once KG had a championship calibur team and failed where Duncan succeeded, no one in the right mind could argue for Garnett. Hell, I bet going into the finals a lot of people would've taken Dirk over Wade, but after seeing what happened, we know who the superior player is. Finally, basketball is the ultimate "what have you done for me lately?" game. Just look at the way these playoffs have impacted general public opinions: Kobe went from the most competative (and possibly best) player in the league to a guy who can't lead a team because of his game 7 no show; Kidd went from 1st Team All NBA Defense to completely washed up and over the hill; Ben Wallace went from irreplaceable defensive intimidator to a liability that could be replaced by Nazr Mohammed... the list goes on. I love Wade but I admit a lot of that is just a "flavor of the week" kind of appreciation. If this question is asked around Christmas I'm sure a lot of Wade supporters might change their minds.

[SuperFlash]

Originally posted by notchreturns
I don't like this question.

It's like asking would you prefer a blowjob everyday for the next 100 years or 100 centuries? None of the above. :-D

[austingirl]

A little late to the game, but Dwayne Wade, no question!! Heat rule!

[o_vie]

Carmelo's air jordans are better looking than lebrons or wades shoes-other than that wade has the ring so until lebron gets one(and I know he's outrageous) it will be wade first.