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fooknasty

08-08-2006, 12:17 PM

Everywhere I go, it seems like that's all the world is talking about. It's ridiculous. I am so sick and tired of people saying "Oh he'll never work in Hollywood again" and "Oh, Mel Gibson hates the Jews, and is prejudice." BULLSHIT!!!!

So, the man got drunk one night and happened to say some things that weren't appropriate. ( And by no stretch of the imagination am I saying that what he said was right) However, how many people, on this board alone, can honestly deny that they to haven't gotten liquored up one night and said/did something that they regret or wish they could do over.

It's happened to everyone. But because it happened to Mel Gibson, he's the most hated man in the world right now. The man has given us some of the greatest movies for almost 30 years now. We loved him when he was action star and praised him when he became a director. But the guy makes one mistake, and now everyone hates him.

In my opinion, it sucks. Lay off the man. He's human, just like everyone else. You, me, anyone could have made the same mistake.

ElderPredator

08-08-2006, 02:14 PM

I agree, his comments were not sincere due to him being drunk. He should just use caution in the future as he is such a public figure to the world.

I still love all his movies and I really hope we get another "Lethal Weapon". Only if he is joined by Danny Glover.

William Munny

08-08-2006, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by fooknasty
Lay off the man. He's human, just like everyone else. You, me, anyone could have made the same mistake.

I can't agree more, friend.

Kevin Lockard

08-08-2006, 02:28 PM

I agree, but the fact is, drunk driving doesn't just happen to anyone. The fact that Mel is supposed to be this big Christian as well makes it look even worse. I don't drink so it's never happened to me and if I did drink and happened to get drunk, I'd make sure there was someone around to stop me from driving. He was endangering people's lives by drink driving as well.

JackassFan

08-08-2006, 02:44 PM

Beeblebrox

08-08-2006, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by fooknasty
So, the man got drunk one night and happened to say some things that weren't appropriate.

You, me, anyone could have made the same mistake. [/B]

First of all, he wasn't that drunk (assuming being drunk is an excuse for an anti-semitic tirade against the police). His BAC was .12, which is the equivalent of about 3 or 4 beers. And Gibson is a recovering alcoholic, which means he probably had greater control of his judgement than others would have.

Second, I've been around LOTS of drunk people in my life. And get this, not a single one of them ever shouted, "Fuck the Jews. Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." In fact, not one of them ever made any sort of anti-Jewish remarks. A few have made racist comments about blacks or hispanics, but they were racists when they were sober too.

So no, not "everyone" could have made the same mistake. Only a drunk/sober anti-semite racist would make this particular mistake.

Euclid

08-08-2006, 03:53 PM

I've been smashed outta my mind several times over, same goes for my friends. Not a single one of us had the desire to go off on a racist or an anti-semitic tirade. Simply put, what Gibson did was beyond retarded. And to a degree it shows how he really feels.

We might not know the whole story though. He might very well be sincere in his apology and realize that what he did and how he feels about this subject, requires him to get some serious help. You're right about one thing though. This wouldn't be such an issue if he wasn't a public figure, but, there are responsibilities that go along with being a public figure. Mel Gibson of all people should know that by now.

jaw2929

08-08-2006, 04:43 PM

Why the fuck do so many people actually give a shit about what Mel Gibson thinks? Who fucking CARES?!? Let him say whatever the fuck he wants... As long as he continues making good movies, then that's all that matters! :o

darchangel

08-08-2006, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Trail_Blazer
Why the fuck do so many people actually give a shit about what Mel Gibson thinks? Who fucking CARES?!? Let him say whatever the fuck he wants... As long as he continues making good movies, then that's all that matters! :o

Take out the 'continues making movies' part, and I completely agree.

Mel Gibson's a fucking actor...there is a corollary somewhere in pop culture geometry that dictates all celebrities do massive amounts of stupid shit. Let's call roll at Celebrity Elementary School, shall we?

Cruise, Suri? ---here
Halliwell, Bluebell? ---here
Jolie-Pitt, Shiloh-Nouvel? ---here
Lee, Pilot? ---here
Paltrow, Apple? Paltrow, Apple? ---here...and please kill me, since my stupid mother started this all.

Take Mel Gibson (and most other celebrities) and every stupid thing he says/does at the face value reserved for small children...yeah, they say stupid stuff, but they're not smart enough to know better. ;)

~darchangel~

Euclid

08-08-2006, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Trail_Blazer
Why the fuck do so many people actually give a shit about what Mel Gibson thinks? Who fucking CARES?!? Let him say whatever the fuck he wants... As long as he continues making good movies, then that's all that matters! :o

As I said. People only care because he's a celebrity and a public figure. Otherwise nobody would really care. I'm also pretty sick and tired of the idiotic "celebrity journalism" (if you can call it that). Things like, who's dating whom or what kind of toothbrush does Angelina Jolie use, are mind numbingly childish. When it comes to those things, no one in their right minds should give a damn.

But...

It's altogether a different matter when racial bias, racism, anti-semitism comes into play. These are serious matters that need to be addressed, irrespective of your social standing. Because they have far reaching consequences than what color panties did Kiera Knightly wear on that awards show. Why else do you think people take this so seriously.

The Postmaster General

08-08-2006, 05:59 PM

"Jeez , what's so bad about bashing the Jews when you are drunk. He's fucking Mad Max, man!!! Actors can say whatever they want and it shouldn't be our business, because they aren't real people who represent our society."

I'm going to get drunk, so you'll forgive me when I tell you what I really think of this topic.

Beeblebrox

08-08-2006, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by darchangel
Paltrow, Apple? Paltrow, Apple? ---here...and please kill me, since my stupid mother started this all.

Because naming your kid "Apple" is certainly the moral equivalent of telling Jews to fuck off and accusing them of starting all the wars in the world.

Celebrities obviously aren't the only ones who say stupid shit.

darchangel

08-08-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Because naming your kid "Apple" is certainly the moral equivalent of telling Jews to fuck off and accusing them of starting all the wars in the world.

Celebrities obviously aren't the only ones who say stupid shit.

The point of my comment was who the fuck cares what he says or does? If he's a stupid anti-semite who happens to be in the public eye, then ignore him and don't give him media exposure, and he and his career will eventually dry up....all the news I've heard concerning Mel Gibson in the past five years is how he hates the Jews, and people's bitching over his bigotry is what's keeping his career alive.

And I'm glad you think I'm so stupid, since your comment will most likely get this thread shut down and your ass banned.

~darchangel~

Beeblebrox

08-08-2006, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by darchangel
The point of my comment was who the fuck cares what he says or does?

I don't know, but then again I can't name all those celebrity child names like you can. Obviously someone cares about this stuff.

And as long as we're going to publicize what celebrities say or do, I think a drunken anti-semitic tirade is quite news worthy, particularly when the celebrity in question has been made into a poster-boy for Christian values by so many in the Christianist community.

And I didn't say you were stupid. I simply said that celebrities weren't the only ones who say stupid things; a point I would imagine is inarguable. Although if I had said such a thing, I'd hope that somoene who dishes it out as much as you have would be able to take it in kind.

darchangel

08-08-2006, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I don't know, but then again I can't name all those celebrity child names like you can. Obviously someone cares about this stuff.

And as long as we're going to publicize what celebrities say or do, I think a drunken anti-semitic tirade is quite news worthy, particularly when the celebrity in question has been made into a poster-boy for Christian values by so many in the Christianist community.

And I didn't say you were stupid. I simply said that celebrities weren't the only ones who say stupid things; a point I would imagine is inarguable. Although if I had said such a thing, I'd hope that somoene who dishes it out as much as you have would be able to take it in kind.

I'd like to know when I have called someone else on this board stupid.

As far as Mel Gibson goes, if people would just ignore him when he talks like they do other celebrities, then this wouldn't have to be the huge issue it is.

For example, when Paris Hilton said she was giving up sex for a year, the consensus on the Gossip forum was basically the same: "Yeah fucking right, Paris."

When Tom Cruise said and did all the stupid things that he's said and done over the past year or so, people just started chalking it up to "Well, Tom Cruise is just fucking crazy."

Why can't people treat Mel Gibson in the same way when he spouts ridiculous crap? Who fucking cares what he thinks? Do you really think that people across America are now saying, "Gee, I was kinda on the fence about the Jews before, but I guess I'll hate them now because William Wallace says I should"?

The point of all of my posts in this thread: Celebrities are stupid, Mel Gibson included.

~darchangel~

Beeblebrox

08-08-2006, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by darchangel
When Tom Cruise said and did all the stupid things that he's said and done over the past year or so, people just started chalking it up to "Well, Tom Cruise is just fucking crazy."

People ignored Tom Cruise?! I would love for someone to do a count comparing the number of threads devoted to Tom Cruise's nutball antics versus Mel's anti-semtitic tirade.

"Ignore" isn't exactly how I'd categorize the response on this board or anywhere else. In fact, compared to Cruise, Mel Gibson has gotten off easy. Mel certainly has a lot more apologist defenders.

Maybe if Cruise had said "Fuck the Jews" instead of criticizing psychologists or naming his kid "Suri," certain people would be more apt to jump to his defense.

As far as Mel Gibson goes, if people would just ignore him when he talks like they do other celebrities, then this wouldn't have to be the huge issue it is.

But it IS a huge issue. A major celebrity, embraced by a large segment of the Christianist population as their poster-boy for Christianist values, was caught shouting anti-Jewish tirades at cops while being arrested for drunk driving.

And while his alcoholism deserves compassion and patience, his hatred of Jews is a legitimate source of ire and criticism.

ilovemovies

08-08-2006, 09:05 PM

But what did he say? Is all he said was that the jews were the cause of all wars? Is that all he said or did he say a lot more?

I ask because that is such a blatantly absurd and outlandish thing to say especially considering that he was drunk, that I wonder why anybody cares one way or another.

fooknasty

08-09-2006, 02:21 AM

Because Gibson is a recovering Alcoholic is all the more reason why he would get drunk easier than normal. 3 or 4 beers for someone recovering of alcoholism is a lot and can really make someone like me or you smashed.

With tha being said, I dare anyone to say that they have never said or done something stupid while being drunk. I am not talking about a few drinks, I am talking about drunk. I would never agree with what Gibson said and I think his decision to drink and drive is the dumbest thing in the world.

Newspapers, television, radio, interent, etc. have something about what Mel did or said. Who gives a damn?? He's a human being and made a mistake, but everywhere people seem to be taking what this guy said as if it were from the lips of God himself.

I have the same view about Gibson that I do about Tom Cruise. Yeah, people may think he is a dick head, sure they have both done a lot of dumb ass shit, but you know what, they both make great ass movies that I love.

Will I ever boycott a movie because of what an actor thinks or believes?? Hell no. These two guys are two of the greatest actors of any generation, and I respect the hell out of what they both have done as actors. To hell with what they do outside of work.

However, it's a little different with Gibson becuase he wasn't himself and was intoxicated. ( I guess you could say the same thing about Scientiology....ooops :D )

Anyways, after it's all said and done, Mel Gibson is human. Period. What he said was wrong, and stupid, but you can't really blame him entirely becaue he was drunk. I just wish everyone would get off this man, who has brought us so many good movies and has worked with charities and a man who seemed like a generally nice human being. He mad a mistake. End of story.

Scorpio24

08-09-2006, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by fooknasty
So, the man got drunk one night and happened to say some things that weren't appropriate. ( And by no stretch of the imagination am I saying that what he said was right) However, how many people, on this board alone, can honestly deny that they to haven't gotten liquored up one night and said/did something that they regret or wish they could do over.

When are people going to actually realise there is a big difference between saying something you regret and going on a racist rant.

CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!

It's like the dude that tells is roomate he's wanted to fuck him for years and he's always been in love with him but wait!..........

The next day he laughs and says whoa sorry man I had those 3 drinks last night. Don't know what come over me. Wait that was you? Cool.

Originally posted by fooknasty
You, me, anyone could have made the same mistake.

Hahahahahahaha.

Yeah I tell ya. The amount of times I walk into a pub pissed up on a Saturday night trying to get a word in edge ways as the locals rant about the Jews.

Man great times.

Scorpio24

08-09-2006, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
People ignored Tom Cruise?! I would love for someone to do a count comparing the number of threads devoted to Tom Cruise's nutball antics versus Mel's anti-semtitic tirade.

"Ignore" isn't exactly how I'd categorize the response on this board or anywhere else. In fact, compared to Cruise, Mel Gibson has gotten off easy. Mel certainly has a lot more apologist defenders.

Maybe if Cruise had said "Fuck the Jews" instead of criticizing psychologists or naming his kid "Suri," certain people would be more apt to jump to his defense.

I've said this in so many threads i'm starting to piss myself off.

The same people screaming for good ole Riggs to be forgiven are the same people that go crazy when Cruise acts a little wacky on a chat show.

You know the same people that are now CONVINCED that Cruise never had a baby. WE WANT TO SEE PICTURES DAMN IT!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A BIG CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!

But yeah that racist dude is ok. I always did love Lethal Weapon.

bigred760

08-09-2006, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
First of all, he wasn't that drunk (assuming being drunk is an excuse for an anti-semitic tirade against the police). His BAC was .12, which is the equivalent of about 3 or 4 beers.

3 or 4 kegs maybe. .08 is the legal limit in California - as far as drunk driving is concerned. So I think he had a more than three or four beers . Plus I don't think beer is his alcohol of choice.

Go to this website: http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm
It calculates BAC. It takes a few more than 3 or 4 beers to get to .12
It's also pretty fun to see how hammered you can get with some boozes. :D

I agree with the rant. The guy has apologized, checked into rehab. The guy is no saint, has never claimed to be. He is human, therefore far from perfect and I think should be forgiven. Let's get on with our lives, and let him get on with his.

Scorpio24

08-09-2006, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by darchangel

For example, when Paris Hilton said she was giving up sex for a year, the consensus on the Gossip forum was basically the same: "Yeah fucking right, Paris."

When Tom Cruise said and did all the stupid things that he's said and done over the past year or so, people just started chalking it up to "Well, Tom Cruise is just fucking crazy."

Why can't people treat Mel Gibson in the same way when he spouts ridiculous crap?

~darchangel~

Not discounting you're other points darch but there is a big difference between spouting stupid things and going off on a racist rant.

The reason people are still talking about this is the fact so many people are willing to defend him.

So far on the boards i've seen these arguments:

He was drunk.
I say worse things in kitchen.
I say racist things. So?
Come on we all say stupid stuff when we are drunk
He's only human.
All celebs say stupid things.
It's only a big deal because he's a celeb.

And my personal favourite:

Anyone could have made the same mistake.

None of those are reasons to me. And some of them are laughable. I'm not saying it shouldn't be forgotten about or ignored because as Bigred has said we are going to have to go through it all again when Apocolypto comes out. Maybe it is time to move on.

What I am saying is that personaly I think it's rediculous to ask people to forget what he's said for any of the above reasons.

darchangel

08-09-2006, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Scorpio24
Not discounting you're other points darch but there is a big difference between spouting stupid things and going off on a racist rant.

The reason people are still talking about this is the fact so many people are willing to defend him.

So far on the boards i've seen these arguments:

He was drunk.
I say worse things in kitchen.
I say racist things. So?
Come on we all say stupid stuff when we are drunk
He's only human.
All celebs say stupid things.
It's only a big deal because he's a celeb.

And my personal favourite:

Anyone could have made the same mistake.

None of those are reasons to me. And some of them are laughable. I'm not saying it shouldn't be forgotten about or ignored because as Bigred has said we are going to have to go through it all again when Apocolypto comes out. Maybe it is time to move on.

What I am saying is that personaly I think it's rediculous to ask people to forget what he's said for any of the above reasons.

I understand where you're coming from, Scorp. But please just let me say here that I'm not defending Mel Gibson in any way...I think racism is a terrible thing (and I know racism living in WV, believe me).

I'm just saying I don't understand why people are treating Mel Gibson to a higher standard of intelligence than other people in the Hollywood moron sect.

First of all, racism is an ignorant concept...period. Bash all you want, people, but racism is the equivalent of saying to someone, "Oh, you have blue eyes? I guess you're not as good a person as I am...fuck off."

Then couple the ignorance of his statements with the fact that he's a celebrity, running his mouth off just to get some attention (because he knew that it would get attention to say shit like that), and there you have it: a completely moronic, publicity-whoring statement coming from an assface celebrity that should be completely ignored so he doesn't get the satisfaction of knowing people give two shits what he thinks about anything.

That's how I feel about it...I didn't mean to make it seem like I'm defending that intolerant fuckhead, because I certainly don't. But I also really don't understand why anybody cares what the fuck kind of racist crap he spouts. I think we should just say, "Yeah...he's stupid," and let that be that.

~darchangel~

Scorpio24

08-09-2006, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by darchangel
I understand where you're coming from, Scorp. But please just let me say here that I'm not defending Mel Gibson in any way...I think racism is a terrible thing (and I know racism living in WV, believe me).

Yeah I hear you Darch. I didn't think you were defending him or anything. I was just trying to point out why this thing keeps rumbleing on.

APzombie

08-09-2006, 01:52 PM

I've been so smashed that once I told a buddy I slept with his mother the day after his 23rd birthday. Does that mean it actually happened???

Well, in my case, yes. It actually did...

Point being. I'm never getting drunk again, and neither should Mad Max. Leave the booze for the chaps who can hold their drink and their tounge. :(

In all seriousness though, I still love his films. film celeberties live in a dangerous state where they are expected to practice what they preach, or at least what they play. In truth no actor is Ghandi, not even Ben Kinsley. He made a pretty sincere appology, is going into a rehab, then counciling with a Jewish sect. Should people forget what he said? Not at all, but its important to forgive if the appology is from the heart.

fooknasty

08-09-2006, 01:53 PM

The man was under the influennce and said some things that he probably didn't mean.

I mean how can you hang a man who has done so much because he made a mistake???

I don't believe what he did was right. However, I understand the situation, and on a certain level, sympathize for what has happened to him.

The Postmaster General

08-09-2006, 03:13 PM

There's a difference between saying something you didn't mean to say, and saying something you didn't mean.

I believe that Gibson is deeply sorry because he didn't mean to say anything bad about the Jews. There's nothing to convince me he didn't mean what he said though.

OMG It's Rob

08-09-2006, 10:48 PM

I don't know if I'd say it could happen to anybody, but just because the guy got sloshed and rattled off a few doozies doesn't mean he's the second coming of Hitler. Much of the criticism seems so condescending. One can have certain feelings towards other races/religions without being a full blown bigot. It's probable that Gibson does have reservations towards Jews (if I'm not mistaken his dad publically claimed that the Holocaust was blown out of proportion) but that doesn't automatically make him evil. I don't know, the guy deserve criticism but it's so overblown, like everything.

Scorpio24

08-10-2006, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
There's a difference between saying something you didn't mean to say, and saying something you didn't mean.

I believe that Gibson is deeply sorry because he didn't mean to say anything bad about the Jews. There's nothing to convince me he didn't mean what he said though.

Thats brilliantly put.

The Heart Collector

08-10-2006, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by OMG It's Rob
I don't know if I'd say it could happen to anybody, but just because the guy got sloshed and rattled off a few doozies doesn't mean he's the second coming of Hitler. Much of the criticism seems so condescending. One can have certain feelings towards other races/religions without being a full blown bigot. It's probable that Gibson does have reservations towards Jews (if I'm not mistaken his dad publically claimed that the Holocaust was blown out of proportion) but that doesn't automatically make him evil. I don't know, the guy deserve criticism but it's so overblown, like everything.

He said the jews were responsible for all the wars in the world or something. That's a lot more than 'having reservations'. Also, 'having reservations' towards a race is still fucking horrible.

Jessica3000

08-10-2006, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by fooknasty
Lay off the man. He's human, just like everyone else. You, me, anyone could have made the same mistake.

I completely agree. Plus, stars in hollywood get themselves into messes, whether drunken or otherwise, all the time. I'm not condoning it, but it does happen. And those people don't get ripped to shreds like this. The man is human, he made a mistake just like humans do, and he even apologized for it! He is sorry, he knows he was wrong, and he knows what he said is wrong and that he has a drinking problem. He's taking the necessary measures to fix that problem. What more could you ask of the guy, really. I think he is a terrific actor and director and this won't stop me from seeing his films.

CHANCE

08-17-2006, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Jessica3000
I completely agree. Plus, stars in hollywood get themselves into messes, whether drunken or otherwise, all the time. I'm not condoning it, but it does happen. And those people don't get ripped to shreds like this. The man is human, he made a mistake just like humans do, and he even apologized for it! He is sorry, he knows he was wrong, and he knows what he said is wrong and that he has a drinking problem. He's taking the necessary measures to fix that problem. What more could you ask of the guy, really. I think he is a terrific actor and director and this won't stop me from seeing his films.

I agree...

If Mel Gibson was a sheep farmer in the outback and got drunk on a regular bases and spewd forth racist comments every day, you and I would not be discussing this...

I've workred in construcion for 4 years, I left because i got fed up with the racist comments that some of my co-workers got from the rest of the crew.
After complaining about it they simply said "you don't like it?..then leave"
In other words" shut your face and get back to work!"

But if you're welknown you have to repent for every mistake in your life?In public?These people do not ask to become role models, we decide that they MUST be role models...

The fact is that we are all role models, show respect and you will get it back, made a mistake? be a man and admit it...

When was the last time you fucked up because you were drunk/pissed of and had to beg for mercy in public?

The man fucked up, he admitted it, he's in re-hab...just leave him be..

Scorpio24

08-17-2006, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by CHANCE

When was the last time you fucked up because you were drunk/pissed of and had to beg for mercy in public?

Man i'm so sick of hearing this as an exscuse.

Really, have you ever gone on some racist rant because you're drunk? There's a big difference between doing something you regret and spewing racist bile.

Of course we only heard about it because he's famous. But if right minded people had heard the sheep farmer say these things then they would have ignored his ignorrant ass as well. The guys a prick and a racist one at that.

I'm not going to reply again because i'm sick of posting about this. The reasons people are giving for us to cut him slack are quite astonishing.

LordSimen

08-17-2006, 06:31 PM

Meh, he apologised and has put himself into rehab as a result of this incident. I say lay off his back. He was drunk and made a stupid mistake, it happens.

CreeperBEATNGU

08-17-2006, 09:28 PM

If he does have anti-semetic beliefs when he's himself, I think it's something subconscious that was beaten into his head by his father, not something he truly believes.

He's always been one to stick to whatever he thinks regardless of how upopular it may be, so I can't see him aplogizing if he really didn't mean the apology. You could say "oh well it could damage/end his career" but if his career ended tomorrow, would he really be hurting? He's one of the most massively successful stars in history anyway.

Scorpio24

08-18-2006, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by LordSimen
He was drunk and made a stupid mistake, it happens.

*Shoot's myself in the face.*

CHANCE

08-22-2006, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by Scorpio24
Man i'm so sick of hearing this as an exscuse.

Really, have you ever gone on some racist rant because you're drunk? There's a big difference between doing something you regret and spewing racist bile.

Of course we only heard about it because he's famous. But if right minded people had heard the sheep farmer say these things then they would have ignored his ignorrant ass as well. The guys a prick and a racist one at that.

I'm not going to reply again because i'm sick of posting about this. The reasons people are giving for us to cut him slack are quite astonishing.

So everytime some one around your job, street, cinema, etc...makes a racist remake you go into a discussion?
Or you maybe do not live/know people who are racist...

Scorpio24

08-22-2006, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by CHANCE
So everytime some one around your job, street, cinema, etc...makes a racist remake you go into a discussion?
Or you maybe do not live/know people who are racist...

No. I call him/her a prick and get on with my day. It's only if I was stopped by an idiot on the street and told "but wait we all do it when we are drunk" Would I stop and have a discussion.

The fact that I have made this point a thousand times and broken my promise about not posting here makes me believe you either can't or didn't read my post.

I actually said I WOULD IGNORE him if it was a guy on the street.

And I take it that you are not going to answer my questions? Big surprise as no-one seems to want to answer the question I've asked above.

The Heart Collector

08-22-2006, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by CHANCE
If Mel Gibson was a sheep farmer in the outback and got drunk on a regular bases and spewd forth racist comments every day, you and I would not be discussing this...

No fucking kidding. That's why some people in society are PUBLIC FIGURES, sport.

RickySIade

08-22-2006, 11:12 AM

The funny thing is not Mel Gibson but everyone either against him or for him. Even the famous have taken sides. Nowadays rule our lives. They are the topics at the watercoolers and social gatherings. Everyone must have talked about Mel and his jew bashing or his sugartits remark. And why? Because he's a (pretty big) celebrity. Really, who cares? This Mel Gibson debacle shouldn't cause a worldwide debate and trigger Jewish leaders and public figures to blow a gasket. Just move the f on. So what, he's a drunk racist. Don't talk about it and his recovery and let him drift into obscurity. If youy really want to hurt him, don't talk about him. Maybe he can do a sequel to Bird On A Wire.

CHANCE

08-23-2006, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by Scorpio24
No. I call him/her a prick and get on with my day. It's only if I was stopped by an idiot on the street and told "but wait we all do it when we are drunk" Would I stop and have a discussion.

The fact that I have made this point a thousand times and broken my promise about not posting here makes me believe you either can't or didn't read my post.

I actually said I WOULD IGNORE him if it was a guy on the street.

And I take it that you are not going to answer my questions? Big surprise as no-one seems to want to answer the question I've asked above.

I'll answer your qeution...

Yes, a couple of years ago i was drinking with a friend who is Christain, we had a discusion about live,war,etc...I was hammered when things got ugly.

I was in a time of my life when i blamed everybody but myself for the shit that my life was turning into...and I mean everybody.
So I blammed my friend of 20 years for all the hate in the world, the poverty, my own mistakes...just because he is Christian,because I had to blame someone for the shit I was.

Because deep inside I was a too big of a coward to face my own problems...And there's no exuse like booze or drugs, when you say shit that's pathetic...

I did not see him for a year as he did not like what i was turning into, he was right...I don't drink more than 4 beers these days, no more hard booze and no more hiding...pointing fingers is the easy way out.
Just like you are doing...

good enough answer for you...?

CHANCE

08-23-2006, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
No fucking kidding. That's why some people in society are PUBLIC FIGURES, sport.

You make them public figures..."sport"
Where does it say that we have tp track everything they do...
Where does it say that when your an actor, director,etc...you can't make mistake's like the rest of humanity?

It's the people with no social life who make them "Public Figures"
Elavating ordinary people to god like status is something that's fucking pathetic...

stickmangrit

08-23-2006, 03:18 PM

i think i actually take more offense to the "so long as he keeps making good movies" bit than i do the racism. i mean, what "great" movie has he made lately? The Passion was two excruciatingly boring hours of blood and dead languages, it's been eight years since the last Lethal Weapon, and a full decade since Braveheart, and the crap he's made in the interim is hardly worth singing about. i wrote Gibson off as a crazy anti-semite when Passion came out, and this event only reinforces said view.

The Postmaster General

08-23-2006, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by CHANCE
You make them public figures..."sport"
Where does it say that we have tp track everything they do...
Where does it say that when your an actor, director,etc...you can't make mistake's like the rest of humanity?

It's the people with no social life who make them "Public Figures"
Elavating ordinary people to god like status is something that's fucking pathetic...

You have an opinion about and a desire to discuss Mel Gbison just as much as THC does. Just because you claim to not care makes no difference.

Also, who is raising Gibson to "god-like" status? You are the one saying he is immune to be chastised for mistakes. That sounds a lot more like idolization than defaming him.

Scorpio24

08-24-2006, 06:39 AM

Originally posted by CHANCE
I'll answer your qeution...

Yes, a couple of years ago i was drinking with a friend who is Christain, we had a discusion about live,war,etc...I was hammered when things got ugly.

I was in a time of my life when i blamed everybody but myself for the shit that my life was turning into...and I mean everybody.
So I blammed my friend of 20 years for all the hate in the world, the poverty, my own mistakes...just because he is Christian,because I had to blame someone for the shit I was.

Because deep inside I was a too big of a coward to face my own problems...And there's no exuse like booze or drugs, when you say shit that's pathetic...

I did not see him for a year as he did not like what i was turning into, he was right...I don't drink more than 4 beers these days, no more hard booze and no more hiding...pointing fingers is the easy way out.
Just like you are doing...

good enough answer for you...?

See, I read that and it tells me something about YOU not people. It most definitley doesn't prove the statement - "C'mon we all say stupid things like this when we are drunk" What it does say, is you had problems.

You had problems and issues. You say it yourself. So no. People don't just go saying these things when they are drunk.

Also one glaringly obvious difference is that you were talking to a CHRISTIAN about war, religion, life. Things can get heated when people have different pov on these subjects at any time. But you have already said that your head wasn't right. If you was sober you could have said these things.

Gibson on the other hand was not in an already touchy conversation. Nor Was talking about life, religion or war. He was pulled over DUI and decided to inform the police that the Jews were the reason for all the war and all the other bullshit he spouted.

There is a huge difference and if you can't see it well I got nothing more to say to you.

As i've said. The reasons people are giving so we should ease off Gibson are laughable.

CHANCE

08-25-2006, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by Scorpio24
See, I read that and it tells me something about YOU not people. It most definitley doesn't prove the statement - "C'mon we all say stupid things like this when we are drunk" What it does say, is you had problems.

You had problems and issues. You say it yourself. So no. People don't just go saying these things when they are drunk.

Also one glaringly obvious difference is that you were talking to a CHRISTIAN about war, religion, life. Things can get heated when people have different pov on these subjects at any time. But you have already said that your head wasn't right. If you was sober you could have said these things.

Gibson on the other hand was not in an already touchy conversation. Nor Was talking about life, religion or war. He was pulled over DUI and decided to inform the police that the Jews were the reason for all the war and all the other bullshit he spouted.

There is a huge difference and if you can't see it well I got nothing more to say to you.

As i've said. The reasons people are giving so we should ease off Gibson are laughable.

How do you no if Gibson does not have issues?

Did you see his Christ movie...don't tell me this guy has no isseus with Jewish people...and he was sober while making the movie.
How do you know that he did not have an argument before he was arrested?
He's an alcoholic but has no issues?right....you probaly know him personaly...

What is says about me is that I'm human and can make any fuckin mistake if I want too...people like YOU want to keep everyone in check,think the same, walk the same and talk the same...

You act like he killed someone...he is not the one dropping bombs on Libanese civilians because of 2 Israeli soldiers...Fuck you, cuz in the end he's right!

Scorpio24

08-25-2006, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by CHANCE
How do you no if Gibson does not have issues?

Did you see his Christ movie...don't tell me this guy has no isseus with Jewish people...and he was sober while making the movie.

Well....You think? Exactly. Which is what I and others have been saying pal. That it wasn't the drink. It was the fact he has racist issues Jews. Thaks for clearing that up for me after arguing against it. ;)

Originally posted by CHANCE
What is says about me is that I'm human and can make any fuckin mistake if I want too...people like YOU want to keep everyone in check,think the same, walk the same and talk the same....

What it says is there is a big difference between making a mistake and being a racist

Originally posted by CHANCE
You act like he killed someone...he is not the one dropping bombs on Libanese civilians because of 2 Israeli soldiers...Fuck you, cuz in the end he's right!

He;s right? ok before you dissapear let me just ask you. Is this you making a mistake or being a racist? On 2nd thoughts don't bother. I think you've made it clear.

JackassFan

08-25-2006, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by CHANCE
Fuck you, cuz in the end he's right!
I don't think so. Anyone can make a mistake, but what he said was certainly NOT right.

The Postmaster General

08-25-2006, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by CHANCE
people like YOU want to keep everyone in check,think the same, walk the same and talk the same...

Let's get some perspective here. Scorpio is criticizing a celebrity for saying something he finds offensive.

Meanwhile you are saying "fuck you" to other *members of a movie message board* because they have a different opinion than you.

Throwing stones in a glass house, man.

If you think it's fucking pathetic for people to criticize celebrities for things they think are wrong --- What do you think of someone who criticizes nobodies for things they think are wrong? Sub-pathetic, hyper-pathetic, what?

Beenthere

08-25-2006, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by CHANCE
How do you no if Gibson does not have issues?

Did you see his Christ movie...don't tell me this guy has no isseus with Jewish people...and he was sober while making the movie.
How do you know that he did not have an argument before he was arrested?
He's an alcoholic but has no issues?right....you probaly know him personaly...

What is says about me is that I'm human and can make any fuckin mistake if I want too...people like YOU want to keep everyone in check,think the same, walk the same and talk the same...

You act like he killed someone...he is not the one dropping bombs on Libanese civilians because of 2 Israeli soldiers...Fuck you, cuz in the end he's right!

I don't really care about Gibson now but what Lebanese civilians (cowardly scoundrels who voted for the government that allowed Hezbollah to run the show if you ask me) got to do with Mel? Do you agree, Mr. Chance, with what Gibson said about the Jews and all wars? Then just say it: I am a Jew-hater. To defend Mel by kicking Israel is not a noble thing to do, to say at least. I do not want to discuss the politics on this thread but it's getting more sickening every day.
I for a change would never say that Dutch people is the the major cause of all troubles in the world. Because, as the Jews, they aren't.

I feel blue....
:( :( :(

the_sneaker

09-04-2006, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by fooknasty
Everywhere I go, it seems like that's all the world is talking about. It's ridiculous. I am so sick and tired of people saying "Oh he'll never work in Hollywood again" and "Oh, Mel Gibson hates the Jews, and is prejudice." BULLSHIT!!!!

So, the man got drunk one night and happened to say some things that weren't appropriate. ( And by no stretch of the imagination am I saying that what he said was right) However, how many people, on this board alone, can honestly deny that they to haven't gotten liquored up one night and said/did something that they regret or wish they could do over.

It's happened to everyone. But because it happened to Mel Gibson, he's the most hated man in the world right now. The man has given us some of the greatest movies for almost 30 years now. We loved him when he was action star and praised him when he became a director. But the guy makes one mistake, and now everyone hates him.

In my opinion, it sucks. Lay off the man. He's human, just like everyone else. You, me, anyone could have made the same mistake.

Thank you! Finally, I feel like I'm not alone here. I'll still see his films, both him acting and directing. Unfortunately, Apocalypto will probably take a hit in the box office because of this, and to be honest, it just doesn't look that great to me, however, I am going to see it just to support Gibson. Yes, what he was said was very wrong and really fucked up...but who has not said or done something stupid while drinking?