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APzombie
08-10-2006, 02:46 PM
Alright. This has been somthing that been bugging me lately, and its due in most part to reading a bio of Spike Lee the other day. Lee has been pissed off from the day it was announced that Michael Mann would direct Ali, the docu-drama about the famous boxer. He claims that a white person could not do justice to his story. He also went on bantering about Spielberg doing the Color Purple, Tarantino dropping the 'N' word all over his screenplays, Taylor Hackford helming Ray and the possibilty of Norman Jewison doing a Malcom X film back in the day.

So what it seems to come down to is that a race should only direct their own, or direct films that discuss said race. Bullshit. I think it helps when a filmmaker has a history with the subject matter but that can imply more than just an ascued vision. Take Spielberg for example. He is the perfect filmmaker for a story like The Color Purple, he has had a history telling a story of bigotry and racism (Schindler's List) and he says he experienced it first hand in a nearly all arion high school. Racism is racism. To seperate the accountablilty of Jewish racism and African racism is to endorse the ideal that race does matter. which is hypocritical. I don't understand what is wrong with a caucasian filmmaker like Tarantino using the word nigger in his films either. I'm not going to make excuses for him like 'he grew up in an black community and his mothers boyfriend was black' and all that but I will say that giving the word power by subjecting it to only be used by a selected minority is endorsing what it stands for. In this case the word enpowers racism.

Take note that one of the greastest films on the subject is Gandhi. The story about an Indian dethroning the capitization of his country from the British Empire. The film depicts the inhuman acts of the British in the late 19th century and the early 20th century. And guess what? the film was directed by Richard Attenborough, not only a Brit, but a knighted Sir.

jaw2929
08-10-2006, 04:18 PM
I agree with this... On 2 side notes, I think the whole "sir" and "knighting" thing is a pile of nonsensical shite.

The other, is I don't recall one white person using the word "nigger" in one of Tarantino's movies... So that's hardly "racist", when black people are saying it to one another....

Brando @$$ Fat
08-10-2006, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Trail_Blazer
I agree with this... On 2 side notes, I think the whole "sir" and "knighting" thing is a pile of nonsensical shite.

The other, is I don't recall one white person using the word "nigger" in one of Tarantino's movies... So that's hardly "racist", when black people are saying it to one another....

Tarantino himself said "nigger" in Pulp Fiction.

However, it shouldn't fucking matter because Spike Lee gets away with a lot of shit that people don't complain about. People argued that Spike Lee shouldn't have directed Do the Right Thing because he grew up middle-class, but he proved them wrong. Yet, here he is whining back.

I like Spike Lee's films for the most part, but he is really obnoxious as a person.

APzombie
08-10-2006, 06:51 PM
Yea I never really understood the knight thing either Trail, seems like a kind of ellite club to no ends.

I didn't know Spike grew up middle class, I always thought he was a lower end brooklyn kind of guy. Makes sense since he went to NYU though. It kind of makes him look more like a hypocrite too.

Granted I love alot of Spikes work, Inside Man is actually one of my favoirte films this year. I'm just criticizing his views as a person.

echo_bravo
08-10-2006, 07:05 PM
I completely agree with this rant

I like Spike but I thought he had pretty stupid reasoning on these subjects.

Backstabba
08-10-2006, 08:06 PM
I don't like him.
Honestly.
Just don't like him.

Kevin Lockard
08-11-2006, 03:19 AM
Does anyone like Spike Lee anymore? He even thought he could win a lawsuit against TNN for changing their name to Spike TV because he thought he was inclined to some sort of rights because it carried half of his name. I think Spike Lee kinda looked like a goat when it came out that Muhammad Ali personally pointed Michael Man as the guy who he felt should direct the film and Will Smith as the guy who he wanted to play him. Spike might have called Will Smith a "sell out" as well if I recall correctly.

The man, from what I have seen, has shown himself to be quite a racist himself. Not to sound like a racist, but for a black person to say "nigger" and not a white person is kinda racist in itself. Not to encourage calling blacks "niggers" to their face or anything when they are around, but in Europe, it's not even racist to use the word freely. Just another word. And it's not like Tarantino uses the word gratiously or anything, it's always got it's point, especially in Jackie Brown, whioch ironically enough, Spike Lee bitched the most about.

Joshmo
08-11-2006, 09:55 AM
He may make decent flicks, but he's a little black militant who has knee jerk reactions.

This is the same tired crap black leaders used to use and still do from time to time, that only black teachers should teach black students. There was a study done about this and showed students who were taught like this (this generation not the ones past) have a poor fucking grasp of the language and still used words like "AXE" instead of "ASK" in job interviews. There arent many Maya Angelous out there.

Hell, even fucking Oprah thinks wrong, and insists Blacks should "talk white" when amongst professionals, but should revert to slang so they dont "lose their blackness" - whatever the fuck that means. :rolleyes:

bigred760
08-11-2006, 12:42 PM
It's a double standard if you ask me - as far as the 'N-word' is concerned. It's okay when black people say it, but it's racist for white people to use it.

I think I've only seen two Spike Lee movies - Inside Man and He Got Game, both good movies. He seems like a cool guy, but when I read that he thought he should direct Ali instead of Michael Mann, only because Mann was white (or not black), I was really disappointed. Both Ali and Will Smith approved of Mann and that's all that should've mattered.

But again, the double standard that seems to exist is that white people can be racist for thinking that way, but not anybody else. I'm not calling Lee a racist, but that attitude isn't helping my opinion of him.

bankholdup
08-11-2006, 01:38 PM
I'm not really sure if Lee is racist or extremely proud (could be either, really). He comes off more as a racist, though. Despite that, I love his films. He's one of my favorites, I won't lie.