Sen. Joe Lieberman was abandoned by the Democratic Party

[JohnTheHenchman]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0608100014aug10,1,1772720.story?coll=chi-opinionfront-hed

I think they made a mistake, now I'm no clairvoyant but I could see him winning as an independent. Now, I usually don't agree with him on most of his ideas, especially the war, but I can't frown on a politician who votes on his conscience.

[EVILxxx]

I think this is a mistake on the part of the Democrats as well. Lieberman had alot of political pull given the amount of times he was reelected. I guess if you don't fit into the new democratic mold i.e. 'All Bush does is wrong' you aren't worthy of their parties support.

[Thrizzle]

Getting re-elected in this current political system of ours is pretty easy. Up until these primaries all you had to do was not commit a crime or be suspected of murder, and you were a shoe-in for re-election.

I really have no idea if Lieberman will get elected as an Independant; i think that depends on how good he is at spreading misinformation. I hear Karl Rove is reaching out to him. ;)

Seriously, he is.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

This blow is too big for Lieberman to come back from. He's been in the Senate all these years and now his own party didn't even want him back. There's no way he'll win as an Independent, unless Republicans abandon their candidate and unite behind Lieberman, which is less than likely.

[Lynn7]

Liebrman will win as an independent- he only lost by 4% of the vote I think and there will be a lot of people who vote Repub who will come out and vote for him to ensure they will not end up with an idiot in the Senate seat. Eveeryone likes Lieberman except for people who have thrown out any reason and have decided to vote in a flip flopping man who has no experience.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Liebrman will win as an independent- he only lost by 4% of the vote I think and there will be a lot of people who vote Repub who will come out and vote for him to ensure they will not end up with an idiot in the Senate seat. Eveeryone likes Lieberman except for people who have thrown out any reason and have decided to vote in a flip flopping man who has no experience.

This is possible, but when you consider that people nowadays like to stick to their own parties, it will be very difficult. Connecticutt I believe is a blue state too, so that also serves as a problem for Lieberman.

I like Joe Lieberman, and I kind of hope he wins. He's sorta like the John McCain of his party. Besides, Dems didn't treat Zell Miller this way until he endorsed Bush, and he was a Republican in every single way possible, which is kinda unfair.

[Lynn7]

I vote consistently Republican but I would vote for Lieberman. I admire a man who doesn't change to please the whims of the public. I disagree with him on a lot of issues but I think he is a decent man.

[The Postmaster General]

McCain/Lieberman is '08!

[Jon Lyrik]

He doesn't vote with his conscience, he's a typical career politician who puts up a good facade.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
McCain/Lieberman is '08!

While not my optimum choice, it would probably be good for the country. Especially in times such as these.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
He doesn't vote with his conscience, he's a typical career politician who puts up a good facade.

Explain plz

[Jon Lyrik]

I am connected to a few people who knew Lieberman in his younger days. Appearantly, as a kid, he was an snooty, obnoxious, holier-than-thou asshole, but when he started to climb the ladder he put on a "nice guy" attitude. I don't see what's so surprising about that. Of course most politicians are deceitful. What would be so shocking about one being glib?

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Jon Lyrik
I am connected to a few people who knew Lieberman in his younger days. Appearantly, as a kid, he was an snooty, obnoxious, holier-than-thou asshole, but when he started to climb the ladder he put on a "nice guy" attitude. I don't see what's so surprising about that. Of course most politicians are deceitful. What would be so shocking about one being glib?



What's so shocking about someone becoming more mature, and dropping their childish attitude?

[echo_bravo]

McCain/Lieberman is '08!

I would be in favor of that

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I vote consistently Republican so of course of I would vote for Lieberman.

Fixed.

I'm just happy the democrats are starting to wake up and hopefully they'll start abadoning their weather vane members who simply move to the left or right whenever they see an opportunity to score more votes. Bush's popularity is in the shitter, and I think America would lose almost all right's to be respected if he sucessfully went to 2009's inauguration without at the very being kicked out of office early (I'm hoping he'll get sent to Hague for a war crimes charge, but I'm only dreaming). A democratically ruled senate might finally do him off.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by MacReady
Fixed.

I'm just happy the democrats are starting to wake up and hopefully they'll start abadoning their weather vane members who simply move to the left or right whenever they see an opportunity to score more votes. Bush's popularity is in the shitter, and I think America would lose almost all right's to be respected if he sucessfully went to 2009's inauguration without at the very being kicked out of office early (I'm hoping he'll get sent to Hague for a war crimes charge, but I'm only dreaming). A democratically ruled senate might finally do him off.

Wouldn't voting in favor of the war, then going against it when popular opinion shifted make one a "weathervane member"? That would describe most Democrats but not Lieberman.
I don't know what is so bad about a Democrat who may be conservative in some instances. I mean the Dems praise FDR and John F. Kennedy and I would hardly call those men liberals.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
Wouldn't voting in favor of the war, then going against it when popular opinion shifted make one a "weathervane member"? That would describe most Democrats but not Lieberman.
I don't know what is so bad about a Democrat who may be conservative in some instances. I mean the Dems praise FDR and John F. Kennedy and I would hardly call those men liberals.

The Buffalo Beast said it best when talking about why Hillary is such a bitch:

Let’s face it: one reason the Republicans have done so well in recent elections (aside from touch screen voting machines) is that they are consistent in their views, however nuts they are, while "new Democrats" like Clinton are willing to hump every fence they come across.

So, yeah, you have a point, the republicans deserve for sticking to their guns more often than democrats. I should also point out that today's democrats are deeply out of touch with those on the left anyway. I think supporting the war in the first place was something of a stab in the back.

[Jon Lyrik]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
What's so shocking about someone becoming more mature, and dropping their childish attitude?

Quite interesting that it would happen around the same time he decided to get into politics.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Macready, why would you change what lynn said? She didn't say that. And it's not true. If I had to choose between your average republican and Lieberman, I'd go Republican every time. But Lieberman and another Democrat? Lieberman, without a doubt.

[MacReady]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Macready, why would you change what lynn said? She didn't say that.

I altered it because my edit gave the quote more accuracy. Claiming that you're a republican who would vote for Lieberman is hardly a stretch.

And I truly doubt many people were confused about where the quote actually came from considering I wrote "Fixed" just underneath it.

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
And it's not true. If I had to choose between your average republican and Lieberman, I'd go Republican every time. But Lieberman and another Democrat? Lieberman, without a doubt.

Yeah, because your a right-leaning libertarian, so you'd more likely vote for an actual right-wing party rather than a half-assed impostor who's in the wrong party.

[JohnTheHenchman]

Yeah that's true, but I know other Republicans.

I mean every election, there's overlap and Republicans vote for Democrats and vice versa, but running as an independent opens him up to Republicans or maybe it doesn't, because the guy still isn't all that great.

Anyway, what this signifies in my mind, is the legitimate move to the left by the democratic party. What I have to say to them is have fun trying to win elections while being extremely liberal.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Here's the only problem with some of these rants: people act like Republicans can't be just as bad. I remember when there was all that speculation about McCain being Kerry's running mate, how some of my Republican friends got totally pissed and started going on these ignorant partisan rants.


Here's the thing that really irritates me though: the way people act like liberals are a worse extreme than the conservatives. As far as I'm concerned, I don't want any of these whackos running the country. Putting God in school and allowing companies to pollute as much as they want is no better than non-stop diplomacy and excessively taxing the rich.

[Thrizzle]

Hasn't the Republican party moved to the far right? The only thing that seperates each groups move to the outer edges of the politcal spectrum is an effective PR campaign.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
Wouldn't voting in favor of the war, then going against it when popular opinion shifted make one a "weathervane member"? That would describe most Democrats but not Lieberman.
I don't know what is so bad about a Democrat who may be conservative in some instances. I mean the Dems praise FDR and John F. Kennedy and I would hardly call those men liberals.

Also related to that, Nixon, by today's standards wouldn't get elected as a Republican.He would be seen as too "pink", which is ironic considering that he was just the right political figure to open up trade with China back in the 70's.

I have more of a liking towards moderate Republicans, I usually find myself agreeing more often on certain issues with them. The middle is a very disenfranchised group of people.

[someguy]

electric, watching episodes of the colbert report lately ;)

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by electriclite
Also related to that, Nixon, by today's standards wouldn't get elected as a Republican.He would be seen as too "pink", which is ironic considering that he was just the right political figure to open up trade with China back in the 70's.

I have more of a liking towards moderate Republicans, I usually find myself agreeing more often on certain issues with them. The middle is a very disenfranchised group of people.

Bush Sr. had a good quote "i'm a conservative but I'm not nuts about it." or something to that effect.
Hopefully you can find one politician to latch onto. Maybe he is just a local rep. Personally I think my governor is a good man given the limitaions of what he is(meaning a politician).

[JohnTheHenchman]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
Hasn't the Republican party moved to the far right? The only thing that seperates each groups move to the outer edges of the politcal spectrum is an effective PR campaign.

Far right? Not by a longshot, though I don't think Democrats are far left, just further left compared to where they've been

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Putting God in school and allowing companies to pollute as much as they want is no better than non-stop diplomacy and excessively taxing the rich.

A cynic would call that enemy appeasement and economic slowdown.

[Thrizzle]

Originally posted by JohnTheHenchman
Far right? Not by a longshot, though I don't think Democrats are far left, just further left compared to where they've been

Poll numbers and approval ratings would indicate theyve lost the support of moderate republicans. We probably disagree on what makes a party far right.

[Lynn7]

MAcReady, it is never good to change someone's quote. A quote is a quote.

The Dems have moved very far to the left to the point of beleiving consipracy theories about staged terror attacks and appeasement. I think it is frightening how much hatred they have for Bush. They have totally lost their objectivity about things. The Repubs had moved way too far right years ago (Nixon years) and then they lost elections and began to adapt to be more centrist. The Dems have lost a lot of elections but they are not adapting. If anything they are beoming more hysterical.

I agree that it is angering to either party when someone splits the vote because it can work against them to lose the election. When Perot ran against Bush and Clinton, he split the Repub vote and Clinton ended up winning. In Leiberman's case he will not split the vote so the Repub can win- he will split the vote and he will win- it is a win either way for Dems. The reason the people are deserting Lieberman is because they know that the Dem base is hating Lieberman because of his position on the war and they will hate anyone who supports him.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Lynn7
They have totally lost their objectivity about things.

Yes, and we all know how open-minded you are, Lynn.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by someguy
electric, watching episodes of the colbert report lately ;)


No, I was actually IN the audience! ;)

But I did study that AP American History. My teacher told me the same story, so I was kinda psyched when Gergen repeated the same thing he said.