"Goddamn it, Why is everyone so fucking stupid?"

[jackson13]

Yes, I'm quoting Kim Jong Il from 'Team America'.



A friend and I were talking today. She says "I watched 'Hostel' last night. It was pretty twisted. This Tarantino guy is messed up."

I said "Tarantino had nothing to do with the movie." Her reply: "His name is on the cover." I said "Big fucking deal. He had nothing to do with the movie other than the fact that his friend made it and he endorsed it." There was silence and then: "Oh, well he's weird anyways." I said to her "Have you ever even seen one of his movies?" Her reply "no."

This caused me to go off on her. How the hell can you call someone weird when you've never seen anything they've done? I dont listen to, oh, lets say Panic at the Disco!, so I'm not gonna say that they are a weird band. I have no basis for my opinion, so why even bother saying something about them? Thats right, I dont! I keep my mouth shut, that way nothing stupid can slip out!


Now, part of this I blame on Tranatino. If he would quit slapping his name on almost every movie that comes out anymore, people like me wouldn't have to go around explaining to people "ITS NOT A QUENTIN TARANTINO MOVIE!" But part of it is also her fault for not knowing what the fuck a director or a writer is when it comes to making a movie. She assumed, since his name was on the cover, that he either wrote or directed it, simply because of that. This, coming from the girl who said to me the other day "I love 'Jersey Girl", to which I replied "I love Kevin Smith, period." and her replying "whoever that is." I treated that one with complete silence.


But this stuff just drives me nuts. If you haven't seen a directors movie, dont call said director "weird", or anything else. You have 0.0000000000% basis to form your opinion on. It's like you're talking just to be talking. Anyone can just talk and talk. Have a fucking point when you talk. Be able to back yourself up. Do your goddamn homework, and before you talk about a movie, or whatever, make sure you know who they are and what they do!

[TheJupiterCrash]

People often criticize Tarantino for 'slapping' his name up on trailers, posters, etc... But, hey, he grabs a lot of people's attention. And those movies would not do as well if it weren’t for him: FACT.

He was involved with 'Hostel' from the stage of its conception, unlike most of the other 'Tarantino Presents'.

I'm going to assume, someone is going to reply with: "Who care's 'Hostel' sucked." So in advance, I'd like to say: "Fuck you, I liked it".

There are tons of people like your friend. I've had so many countless conversations with cute-emo-girls who say the love 'The Nightmare before Christmas' and Tim Burton is such a great director. Then I have to explain to them that he didn't direct it. And of course they say, but it's 'Tim Burton's...." - And none of them have seen ‘Big Fish’ which is his best movie, hands-fucking-down. Maybe because it’s sans Johnny, I don’t know.

I don't know... I don't have a point to any of this.

[Tweek]

I hated having to explain that "Hero" wasn't directed by him.
grrr.

[Cronos]

Who cares, Hostel sucked

:D

....well its true

some people just dont care that much about films to know who made them/acts in them etc, simple as that

[SkyNet]

ya.. i dont think Going Off on people who arent in the know is the correct outlet! Esp if this was a female friend!

Honestly.. there is probably something this chick is passionate about that you couldnt give a shit about... and one day you will be having a convo where YOU seem like the dumbass for not being in the know!

I dont blame Tarantino for any of this.. because from his point.. all he wants to do is bring movies he deems kick ass to the states so that a wider audience can appreciate them the way he does. Without him bringing them to America, we would never have seen hero or The Protector (the latter of which i didnt even know Tarantino had brought to the states until the other day)... which also brings to light, they didnt really advertise The Protector as a "Quentin Tarantino Presents" flick... and it still opened number 2 atthe box office.. just because the draw of Martial Arts is huge here

same can be said for Hostel and movies of the like, that he produces... he doesnt write them or direct them.. but in the writing he see's something he likes and helps them get made.

[AWP82]

Yeah, I'd rather look at the brighter side. Tarantino's a pimp. He's pimping his "hoes" out to help his "bros" out. You feel me?

[jackson13]

Originally posted by SkyNet
... which also brings to light, they didnt really advertise The Protector as a "Quentin Tarantino Presents" flick... and it still opened number 2 atthe box office.. just because the draw of Martial Arts is huge here

The Protector opened at #5, not #2, and yes, it was presented to us as 'QUENTIN TARANTINO PRESENTS". Stuff like that may work on us, the movie nerds, but the the general movie goer, its confusing. When I saw The Protector, the first thing that popped up on the screen was 'QUENTIN TARANTINO PRESENTS" and I heard people around me say "I didnt know Tarantino made this." I would've corrected all of them as well, but it was a theater, and I keep my yapper shut in the theater.

But when my friend said the same thing to me today, I corrected her. And rightfully so.

[sAtAn666]

What makes it worse is that in our Virgin Megastore, they had a little Tarantino shelf today, where they place all his films on it - but he didn';t even direct all of them. Sin City was there, even though he was just a damn "guest director".

[Scorpio24]

Wasn't there a thread on this very topic a few months ago?

I'll see if I can find it.


EDIT: Here we go (http://www.joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97131)

[TheDeadWalk]

Yeah if for nothing else, clear Tarantino's name from this piece of shit film. But at the same time, I'm thinking eh, fuck him. He put his god damn name on the box, he can deal with it.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Tweek
I hated having to explain that "Hero" wasn't directed by him.
grrr.

I'd rather have him direct something like that than Hostel. But then again, I'm tired of defending the man, he needs to learn to make a serious drama where people don't get butchered the whole fucking time (yes I know most of his films aren't like that).

[BorderEevilIII]

The basic jist of this thread is..........


Emphasizing A Well Known Directors Name & tacking onto the film for marketing purposes
even if they had nothing to do with the movie

Moviegoing Public indentifies Directors Name = $$$$ At The Box Office


then again what percentage of the movie going public actaully reads the fine print on movie posters? Or knows the ins and outs on a given movie? Or Ask how many people knows what IMDB.COM is?




I rest my case :D

[someguy]

The commercials for The Protector are having Quentin Tarantino presents on it now. I don't know what's more surprising really, how blatant the studios and Tarantino are with whoring the name out or that people keep buying into the bullshit. I can't wait to see a few years down the road when people will see his new movie billed as 'The 5th/6th (for the kill bill purists) film from Quentin Tarantino.' The only thing that would make it sweeter is if we saw a rant saying 'wtf tarantino has directed more movies have they seen hostel'

[ChemicalRomance]

Gee, I haven't heard this rant before.

[jackson13]

This is just something I wanted to point out.

The cover of Hostel reads like this:

QUENTIN TARANTINO PRESENTS
then, directly underneath that:

HOSTEL
then, directly underneath that:

WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY ELI ROTH



So this is what I'm talking about when I say 'how can people be so goddamn stupid'? She says to me "This Tarantino guy is sick" when, right on the very same cover where she just read his name, it says who wrote and directed the movie! You'd think that her reading that Eli Roth wrote and directd it she would say "this roth guy is sick" but no, shes too dumb to comprehend it all.

[Andrew Ratto]

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[Potzer! 37]

I stopped reading a few posts up because the argument got repedative, but I'd just like to say I had no idea the the Protector was a Tarintino Presents filick until the credits, and I'd seen the tralier in the theater as well as at home with the TV spots and I never saw his name. And like the other guy said, If not for him Hero and the Protector apparently might never have made it to the US and I really liked them both.

[stickmangrit]

Originally posted by Potzer! 37
I stopped reading a few posts up because the argument got repedative, but I'd just like to say I had no idea the the Protector was a Tarintino Presents filick until the credits, and I'd seen the tralier in the theater as well as at home with the TV spots and I never saw his name. And like the other guy said, If not for him Hero and the Protector apparently might never have made it to the US and I really liked them both.

agreed, it's great that he convinced Harvey to shell out for the production rights on these movies, but do we really need QT's name plastered on the front of every bit of promotional material these films get? i've been arguing with my friends for years over shit like this. when the Kill Bill teaser came out, all of them balked that Tarantino's fourth movie was really Desperado . and these were smart guys, who knew who Rodriguez was, but claimed that he only wrote it, leaving directing duties to QT, in a sort of reverse of From Dusk Till Dawn.

[echo_bravo]

Yeah Jackson I hate this too.

When one of my friends said to me, "I dig Tarantino films but Hero really sucked."

I just shaked my head and kinda laughed. Didnt even bother explaining to him.

I think this happens a lot to non-movie buffs...and I think the studios know it and take advantage of it too.

[sAtAn666]

I've never seen Hero, but isn't that foreign? Surely they'd figure out it's not a Tarantino film if they're not even speaking English...

[stickmangrit]

Originally posted by sAtAn666
I've never seen Hero, but isn't that foreign? Surely they'd figure out it's not a Tarantino film if they're not even speaking English...

you'd fucking think the public at large would have that much common gorram sense, but no. they really are that damn stupid.

[chinton]

The question is really did the marketing dept. think it up ( more likely) or was it Tarantino's idea to have his name up everywhere.

[Goberg]

jackson13: hehe, i have been in the same discussion as you describes here a lot of times, its realy anoying that people think that a Tarantino quote on the cover means that the movie is a revolution.

Sure, Tarantino have made some awesome movies, but most of the movies he have produced are bad

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by sAtAn666
I've never seen Hero, but isn't that foreign? Surely they'd figure out it's not a Tarantino film if they're not even speaking English...

LOL
You would think that and I hoped they would of found that out on their own, but some of them are so fucking stupid (love them to death though).

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by Andrew Ratto
I think most film buffs will agree when I say I don't hold casual movie-goers to this kind of knowledge.

Seriously, let the girl think Quentin Tarantino is weird.

[The Postmaster General]

This reminds me of that scene in Born On The 4th of July when the William Dafoe went nuts because the prostitute made fun of him because he couldn't get an erection.

It's no wonder geeks have a bad rep for not being able to impress chicks.

[CletusHorniblow]

Today me and a group of peers were discussing Tarantino in my drama class. The chat was going good and I respected their opinions and urge to learn more about the director and his films from me.

That is, until some fucknut had the balls to argue with me about Tarantino directing Hostel. When he first made the statement, I just told him that Tarantino produced it and Eli Roth (who I noted was the director of Cabin Fever) was the director. But no, he accused me of being wrong and no matter how many times I tried to convince him he wouldn't give up his opinion. Even after all of my Tarantino knowledge that I displayed, he still had the balls to say that he knew this fact and I did not. Which is just plain ignorant in my opinion.

[eljefe15]

You guys need to chill. Next time somebody says something stupid, don't go ape shit. Just stand there and laugh at their ignorance. :D

[SkyNet]

Originally posted by jackson13
The Protector opened at #5, not #2, and yes, it was presented to us as 'QUENTIN TARANTINO PRESENTS". Stuff like that may work on us, the movie nerds, but the the general movie goer, its confusing. When I saw The Protector, the first thing that popped up on the screen was 'QUENTIN TARANTINO PRESENTS" and I heard people around me say "I didnt know Tarantino made this." I would've corrected all of them as well, but it was a theater, and I keep my yapper shut in the theater.

But when my friend said the same thing to me today, I corrected her. And rightfully so.

it opened at Number 4 in the US... against Hollywoodland and something else!

Also... i mean, isnt the fact that people IN THE THEATER were saying "I didnt know Tarantino did this.." doesnt that mean they are at that particula rmovie not because of Tarantino... it is the Draw of Martial Arts, NOT Tarantino that got them in the seats!... which was my whole point!

[Mr. Gray]

Originally posted by jackson13
A friend and I were talking today. She says "I watched 'Hostel' last night. It was pretty twisted. This Tarantino guy is messed up."

I said "Tarantino had nothing to do with the movie." Her reply: "His name is on the cover." I said "Big fucking deal. He had nothing to do with the movie other than the fact that his friend made it and he endorsed it." There was silence and then: "Oh, well he's weird anyways." I said to her "Have you ever even seen one of his movies?" Her reply "no."

This caused me to go off on her. How the hell can you call someone weird when you've never seen anything they've done? I dont listen to, oh, lets say Panic at the Disco!, so I'm not gonna say that they are a weird band. I have no basis for my opinion, so why even bother saying something about them? Thats right, I dont! I keep my mouth shut, that way nothing stupid can slip out!


Now, part of this I blame on Tranatino. If he would quit slapping his name on almost every movie that comes out anymore, people like me wouldn't have to go around explaining to people "ITS NOT A QUENTIN TARANTINO MOVIE!" But part of it is also her fault for not knowing what the fuck a director or a writer is when it comes to making a movie. She assumed, since his name was on the cover, that he either wrote or directed it, simply because of that. This, coming from the girl who said to me the other day "I love 'Jersey Girl", to which I replied "I love Kevin Smith, period." and her replying "whoever that is." I treated that one with complete silence.

jesus christ, i really hope that you are fucking this girl, cuz otherwise, i don't understand how you can tolerate her presence....

[Le_Big_Mac]

You can't blame her for misinterpreting "Quentin Tarantino Presents." Not all people are as interested in or knowledgeable about movies as we are. Still, it's stupid to make proclamations about him based on shit (not a reference to Hostel, which I never saw and never plan on seeing).

Thankfully, I don't have to deal with such inconveniences. None of my friends are into movies made by people who are smart enough to write their own names.

[LordSimen]

"Being stupid" and "being ignorant" are two different things. Most of the examples people have given in this thread are simply of people are are ignorant about the movie rather than being stupid. They ARN'T movie buffs, they probably don't actually care that much about the production of a movie and just go for recreation on occasion. They arn't like most of us who are absolutely obsessed with film, want to be filmmakers or simply are curious at to the means of produciton of movies.

You ranting about this is like a computer geek getting angry at someone for not knowing the difference between a bit and a byte or a Star Wars fan getting mad at someone for not knowing the difference between Han Solo and Captain PIcard. Or hell, a wine enthusiast getting mad at someone for not knowing the different types of wine.

To us it's a life style while to them it's simply an escape from time to time. Who cares if they don't know everything about it, there's no need to yell at them for it.