Ten Things I Hate About Sofia Copolla

[Brando @$$ Fat]

10. Her shitty performance in The Godfather Part III

I strongly believe that if she were not in The Godfather Part III, I would've absolutely loved the film. It's such a bad performance on so many levels. She displays such little emotion that it really makes you wonder if she's trying or not. It was a Razzie well-deserved.


9. She's not that great of a director

Ok, now I know right off the bat you're all going to be saying "BUT BRANDO, WHAT ABOUT LOST IN TRANSLATION?" What about it? Look, I thought it was a good movie too, but to assume she's some pinnacle in filmmaking because of it is nuts. Honestly, it looks like she just watched a bunch of Cameron Crowe flicks, picked up a typewriter and a camera, and began filming. There are 1,000 + films out there exactly like it and there's no escaping that fact.



8. She would've been an indie-music groupie if she hadn't become a director

'Nuff said.



7. Marie-Antoinette

What the hell was she thinking? "I think I'll just make a big budget disaster about Marie-Antoinette and make it a big poppy canvas full of new age music"? I haven't seen all of it yet, but I've seen parts and it looks pretty awful. Hell, I kind of wish she'd go back to copying Cameron Crowe.


6. I'm the only person who hates her

I know, it seems redundant, but everybody fucking loves her and I have no clue why. Really, what is it about her? It boggles my fucking mind, and for that reason I can't stand her.


5. She'd rather be knocked up by the singer of a mediocre band than Quentin Tarantino or Spike Jonze

Don't give me that "WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHO FALLS IN LOVE AND WHO DOESN'T" bullshit.....if she can spend four years with a real director and about year with an even better one, then she should've given birth to several directorial prodigies. Yet, she dates the singer of Phoenix for probably like a week and she gets knocked up. She might as well have been knocked up by one of her servants. Phoenix isn't even that good of a band. Why couldn't she have been knocked up by the singer of a GOOD band.....like that guy from Blur? He's English, and she undoubtedly digs European guys.


4. People actually think she's "indie"

I've got news for you: Sofia Coppola is no more indie than Michael Bay. Whereas John Cassavetes would put ten mortgages on his house to get his films funded, Sofia Coppola doesn't have to because she has a shitload of money to do whatever she wants. She'll always have backers, she'll always have a decent budget, and she'll always have her legions of critics and fans to praise her once the film is done. In no way has she done anything to challenge or provoke the mindset of the film industry. She makes a film for $6-8 million and suddenly she's the epitome of all independent directors.

Plus, anybody with their own fragrance is not an independent director.....period.


3. She's supposedly friends with Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth

I can't stand Kim Gordon....


2. Her fans are more relentless than most

I post here in the comfort that shit will not be thrown at me because of the rules on these boards. In any other situation, her fans will just accuse you of not being intellectual enough to understand her films. I know she has no control over her fans, but they certainly don't help me think any better of her.



1. She tries so hard to ditch the "Copolla" name

For years, she's been trying to seperate herself from the rest of her family. She's even admitted to doing so in interviews. She wants to come across as a hard-working individual who had to work hard to get where she is. Does she really think that's going to work? People will always associate her with her father and there's no way she will ever be able to avoid it. Francis Ford Copolla had a famous father, Carmine Copolla, and he was able to escape his namesake. You know how? Not by trying to ditch the family name, but by making great films.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
6. I'm the only person who hates her

no you're not


i like this rant

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Cronos
no you're not


i like this rant


I'm not?

....you mean.............


YOU DON'T LIKE HER EITHER!!!!!!! OH PRAISE JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE LIFE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bankholdup]

11. The Virgin Suicides

Word, Brando..word.

[ElderPredator]

I can't stand her work honestly. She doesn't even have a fraction of the talent that her Dad has. The only reason she has made it this far is because of her Dad in my opinion.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
The only reason she has made it this far is because of her Dad in my opinion.

So... Do you believe that Lost In Translation got such a huge amount of praise from movie fans (IMDB average 7.9), critics (RT 95% with 8.4 average), and it became an indie hit with great word of mouth, only because all those people thought:

"Gee, this film really sucks, but because the director is related to Francis Ford Coppola, I'm gonna recommend it to others and give it a glowing review!".

?

It doesn't really sound logical, IMHO.

[Lazy Boy]

I'm sure nepotism plays a part in how some actors/directors get their start, but I don't think Sofia Coppola is willing to rest on her laurels or let daddy bail her out every time. She's made two very good to excellent films so far in her career, and she can get better, although I'm really not that thrilled about the potential of Marie Antoinette.

[Kevin Lockard]

I personally think with only two movies, Asia Argento is a way better female director than Sofia (and is Italian and the daughter of an Italian director as well, lol). And her two movies weren't all that. Speaking of Asia, isn't she looking to be only reason Marie Antoinette ain't completely bad? And that was only cause she looks good. And I believe her part is small.

Anyway, enough of my unhealthy obsessions, on to the topic. I agree about her Godfather 3 performance. I think the scene with Michael and her at that outside table is like the biggest example. Her lines are as if they are being read straight off invisible cue cards.

As for people worshipping her, I don't get it either. However, I think it has something to do with what I mention below. But while we're on it, I think I'll bring up Asia Argento again. Hey, I love her but just for fun, I went to a fansite of hers called "Ode to Azia" or something and man, it contained so much worshipping that I almost started hating her. I haven't been back since. It seems the best thing for me (speaking from personal experience) is to usually avoid most if not all fans of someone or something I like or admire. I mean, I take pride in being the self-proclaimed #1 Stanley Kubrick fan but some of the things that I hear people say about the man are just downright crazy. I don't think he gets too much praise but there are some things that are said that are just not on a plain of insanity. (There will never be another movie classic?" Come on, it's no wonder some call him overrated.

"Ok, now I know right off the bat you're all going to be saying "BUT BRANDO, WHAT ABOUT LOST IN TRANSLATION?" What about it? Look, I thought it was a good movie too, but to assume she's some pinnacle in filmmaking because of it is nuts."

This has a bit to do with the whole "worshipping" thing. I think it has something to do with the fact that she is trying to be a director and since her father is a great director, people think she'll just end up being a fluke. Then, she makes a great film (I think LIT is good, not great though) and suddenly, I think that people assume or get it in their heads somehow that she is really better than she really is. Or something along those lines.

[echo_bravo]

haha best rant I have read in awhile.

I do agree Brando. She is definitely overhyped and if Lost in Translation was directed by a man, it wouldnt have gotten nearly as much hype/praise.

But because there are so few females behind the camera, she will continue to get the prasie/hype/spotlight.

[Tweek]

god i hate her too.

[ilovemovies]

Lost in Translation is one of my favorite movies. Words cannot convey how much I love that movie. Because of that movie, she can do nothing but shit for the rest of her career and I'll still love her.

[BorderEevilIII]

Lost in Translation was an awright movie. 70% was ummmm good....
Murray tryin to adapt to Japanese Culture and seeing him wing it on that Japanese Show he was at = PRICELESS


As for that upcoming movie w/ Kirsten Dunst is weeee bit daring.



As for the HATING vs. LOVING....... I am neutral on the woman ;)

[Scorpio24]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
10. Her shitty performance in The Godfather Part III

I strongly believe that if she were not in The Godfather Part III, I would've absolutely loved the film. It's such a bad performance on so many levels. She displays such little emotion that it really makes you wonder if she's trying or not. It was a Razzie well-deserved.


9. She's not that great of a director

Ok, now I know right off the bat you're all going to be saying "BUT BRANDO, WHAT ABOUT LOST IN TRANSLATION?" What about it? Look, I thought it was a good movie too, but to assume she's some pinnacle in filmmaking because of it is nuts. Honestly, it looks like she just watched a bunch of Cameron Crowe flicks, picked up a typewriter and a camera, and began filming. There are 1,000 + films out there exactly like it and there's no escaping that fact.



8. She would've been an indie-music groupie if she hadn't become a director

'Nuff said.



7. Marie-Antoinette

What the hell was she thinking? "I think I'll just make a big budget disaster about Marie-Antoinette and make it a big poppy canvas full of new age music"? I haven't seen all of it yet, but I've seen parts and it looks pretty awful. Hell, I kind of wish she'd go back to copying Cameron Crowe.


6. I'm the only person who hates her

I know, it seems redundant, but everybody fucking loves her and I have no clue why. Really, what is it about her? It boggles my fucking mind, and for that reason I can't stand her.


5. She'd rather be knocked up by the singer of a mediocre band than Quentin Tarantino or Spike Jonze

Don't give me that "WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHO FALLS IN LOVE AND WHO DOESN'T" bullshit.....if she can spend four years with a real director and about year with an even better one, then she should've given birth to several directorial prodigies. Yet, she dates the singer of Phoenix for probably like a week and she gets knocked up. She might as well have been knocked up by one of her servants. Phoenix isn't even that good of a band. Why couldn't she have been knocked up by the singer of a GOOD band.....like that guy from Blur? He's English, and she undoubtedly digs European guys.


4. People actually think she's "indie"

I've got news for you: Sofia Coppola is no more indie than Michael Bay. Whereas John Cassavetes would put ten mortgages on his house to get his films funded, Sofia Coppola doesn't have to because she has a shitload of money to do whatever she wants. She'll always have backers, she'll always have a decent budget, and she'll always have her legions of critics and fans to praise her once the film is done. In no way has she done anything to challenge or provoke the mindset of the film industry. She makes a film for $6-8 million and suddenly she's the epitome of all independent directors.

Plus, anybody with their own fragrance is not an independent director.....period.


3. She's supposedly friends with Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth

I can't stand Kim Gordon....


2. Her fans are more relentless than most

I post here in the comfort that shit will not be thrown at me because of the rules on these boards. In any other situation, her fans will just accuse you of not being intellectual enough to understand her films. I know she has no control over her fans, but they certainly don't help me think any better of her.



1. She tries so hard to ditch the "Copolla" name

For years, she's been trying to seperate herself from the rest of her family. She's even admitted to doing so in interviews. She wants to come across as a hard-working individual who had to work hard to get where she is. Does she really think that's going to work? People will always associate her with her father and there's no way she will ever be able to avoid it. Francis Ford Copolla had a famous father, Carmine Copolla, and he was able to escape his namesake. You know how? Not by trying to ditch the family name, but by making great films.


10. I agree. She was poor. Not sure I thats eough reason to hate the woman though.

9. I think she' a brilliant director. Alot to prove still but brilliant none the less. Lost In Translation is one of my favourite movies ever. And The Virgin Suicides was increible also.

8. Um :confused:

7. Hate her because of a film you haven't seen yet? May turn out to be shite but still.........

6. No you're not.

5. Haha. Ok what?

4. Yeah I agree with you on this. I'm not sure why ehe is regarded as an indie director by so many.

3. I.......uh I got nothing.

2. Don't know about this. I rarely meet any other fans of hers that I know of unless a conversation about her or her films comes up.

1. I think if this was something somebody you liked was doing you would be full of admiration for them.



Ahhh hate away we all have our pet peeves and hates for things and people. Just felt like responding to the numbers. Personally I think she's a great director. I have no idea about her as a person because I haven't paid attention to her personal life.

[ilovemovies]

BTW, about your #1 reason for hating her, if you are going to hate her for that reason then you'll have to hate Nicolas Cage as well.

Personally I respect that she wants to make it on her talent and not use her father's name to make it.

[Sir.Lancelot]

I pretty much agree with what you're saying, but I happened to like 'Lost in Translation' :D (Bill fucking Murray! C'mon!)

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
BTW, about your #1 reason for hating her, if you are going to hate her for that reason then you'll have to hate Nicolas Cage as well.

Personally I respect that she wants to make it on her talent and not use her father's name to make it.

I haven't heard Cage state it in interviews, though.

[The FamilyJulas]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
[B]10. Her shitty performance in The Godfather Part III

I think this should be number 1, but i hate her for many other reasons as well. Christ, talk about riding on the fucking coat tails... She sucks!

[Gordon]

She also used her daddy's help to track down Bill Murray.

But daaaaaaaaaaaaddy I want Bill Murray so that I can make a totaly awesome mooooooooooovie.

I love Lost in Translation, but why then should we have a ton of people defending a director over one good movie? Everything else sucked balls.

[Tayzlor]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
[B]In any other situation, her fans will just accuse you of not being intellectual enough to understand her films.

Funny, because you haven't really talked about her movies. Or provided any reasons that didn't revolve around your questionable perception of her or people's reactions to her (you missed the obvious one: her fondness for casting Kirsten Dunst).

Originally posted by ElderPredator
[B]The only reason she has made it this far is because of her Dad in my opinion.

There's no denying that her genes smuggled her into the business but movies cost a lot of money to make. Do you really think financers would stick around for Francis' little girl if she didn't have talent or at least some semblance of? Did daddy singlehandedly provide the 40 million necessary for her "Marie-Antoinette"?

There's always this Sofia Coppola image floating around amongst heads - that of a preening princess making her feminine flights of fancy. It's unfair, honestly. To make a "Marie-Antoinette" movie the why she supposedly has takes risk and ambition, two things daddy cannot provide.

I don't think Sofia wears a giant Rick Martel button that says "Yes. I am an independent movie director."

[thedudeman69]

I think that Bill Murray's performance in LIT was like he was on valium or something. That film makes me want to fall asleep sometimes, it's boring as hell, but the peformances more than make up for the lack of skill in the writing and direction.

[chinton]

I have no idea why LIT is so loved. Bored me to death.

[AceD]

I'm not much of a fan, but the rant is kinda feeble.

"I haven't heard Cage state it in interviews, though."

Well, maybe not, but he did CHANGE HIS NAME. So yes, if you don't like Sofia trying to distance herself, you have to dislike Cage for the same reason (regardless of how much you like or don't like their work).

Fact is, she didn't get awards, Oscar noms and all the praise she's recieved because of her dad. Sure, her dad could score her a lot of nice gigs, and he obviously had the money to fund a movie if he wanted too. But a lot of other people thought it was worth being made, so it was. You can't give her lineage all the credit.

"Whereas John Cassavetes would put ten mortgages on his house to get his films funded, Sofia Coppola doesn't have to because she has a shitload of money to do whatever she wants."

So...is she supposed to never spend any money she didn't directly earn? Should she never ever take advantage of being born into a family that could help her financially?

"she'll always have her legions of critics and fans to praise her once the film is done."

And...so? Doesn't every director have that?

I mean, most of your argument works both ways: if she makes a film that's booed, people say she just got to be a director because of her pops. If she makes a film that's praised, people say it's only being praised because of the lineage. She can't win with people who just don't like her work. That is fine...but why can't people just move on? Why does she deserve more hate than other directors who are disliked?

[Tweek]

Originally posted by chinton
I have no idea why LIT is so loved. Bored me to death.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by AceD
That is fine...but why can't people just move on? Why does she deserve more hate than other directors who are disliked?

Move on from what?


I don't know if you noticed, but this is the "Rant" section, where we vent everything out. I'll tell you the truth, I don't even hate Sofia Copolla, because I don't really feel she's worth the energy of hating. These were just some things I hate about her character. What most of you keep saying is that these aren't reasons to hate somebody and blah blah blah. The truth is, the title of the thread is "Ten things...." and out of those ten only four of them I'm really serious about. The other things were just things I knew or heard about that I could hold against her. Notice the sarcasm in the rant. Do you really think I'd hate someone for being friends with a random person who I find annoying? No, but dammit it fits.


Now I know there's always going to be people disagreeing with my rants, but for Chrissakes don't take it so seriously. I'm not writing a fucking persuasive essay, I'm just writing about something I don't like about the woman. I still stand solid by some of my arguments.

[bucket]

I like Sofia - shes pretty hot and makes movies.....;) = xtra hot

[AceD]

"Now I know there's always going to be people disagreeing with my rants, but for Chrissakes don't take it so seriously. I'm not writing a fucking persuasive essay, I'm just writing about something I don't like about the woman. I still stand solid by some of my arguments."

I can't speak, for anyone else, but I'm not taking anything too seriously. You are obviously welcome to rant about whatever you want. Do you not want responses other than "I agree"?

And there are probably great reasons to not like her, but as you said you didn't really bring up any of them and most of your top 10 are pretty silly...so I'm not responding because I think I need to correct you (indeed it's all a matter of opinion), but because I thought the point was to respond with an opinion. I wasn't taking anything too seriously.

[echo_bravo]

Isnt she a big band groupie too? Didnt Anthony Kiedis fuck her?

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by AceD

And there are probably great reasons to not like her, but as you said you didn't really bring up any of them and most of your top 10 are pretty silly...so I'm not responding because I think I need to correct you (indeed it's all a matter of opinion), but because I thought the point was to respond with an opinion. I wasn't taking anything too seriously.

You didn't know that only my opinion was allowed here? Shame on you.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Isnt she a big band groupie too? Didnt Anthony Kiedis fuck her?


HUGE groupie, rock n' roll cock coming from all angles 24/7.

[Quigles]

Before seeing THE DEPARTED a few days back, my dad and I came across a poster for MARIE ANTOINETTE.

As soon as we saw the name Sofia Coppola we both started talking about how crummy a director she is. THE VIRGIN SUICIDES was a boring, artificial "artsy" piece of crap. LOST IN TRANSLATION was incredibly overrated and bored the hell out of me - the only good thing about it was Bill Murray. MARIE ANTOINETTE looks just as lame.

She wouldn't bother me all that much if people didn't seem to be so in love with her.

[eljefe15]

I love Sofia Coppolla! I want her to marry me. :D

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by eljefe15
I love Sofia Coppolla! I want her to marry me. :D


Go for it! I'd be quick though, some obsolete musician might sweep her off her feet.


Seriously though, I know I don't care for her and everything but she isn't exactly sore on the eyes.

[Tweek]

I don't think she's ugly either.

[eljefe15]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Go for it! I'd be quick though, some obsolete musician might sweep her off her feet.


Seriously though, I know I don't care for her and everything but she isn't exactly sore on the eyes.

I want her to marry me because she's talented, not because she's attractive. If I was going for that I'd wish for Scarlett Johansson. :D

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by eljefe15
I want her to marry me because she's talented, not because she's attractive.

Sure you do........

[JCPhoenix]

Honestly...I only see #10, #4 and #9 being reasons with any remote validity to them at all. The others, as has been said, I don't even know how to respond to the rest cause they're all, as you've put it yourself, pretty silly reasons, but it just seems like it boils down to the fact that you weren't a fan of her movies...#3, 5-8 are pretty much ridiculous, #2 is something she obviously wouldn't be able to help, and #1 makes no sense. The fact that you put it in your Ten Things I Hate About Sofia Coppola makes me think you're saying that it's a bad thing that she's trying to branch out and not rely on her name...what? And besides, there are lots of people who would disagree and say she has proven herself by making good films.

Personally, I think she's more than proven herself as a talent separate from her father/family and with a very different style to Coppola Sr so for me, that takes care of #9. #10 is taken care of thankfully because I've never seen Part 3 of The Godfather. And #4 - yeah, I'd agree with that.

I look at it this way - there's not very many directors out there who are as obsessed with mood and atmosphere as she is (only one that comes to mind right now is Wong Kar Wai)...it's almost like another genre of film that I don't think we get to see very often and for those of us who love mood pieces, getting more directors doing those types of films is great.

But - I don't think she's the be-all and end-all. I liked Lost in Translation (7/10) but I've seen it twice and I still don't love it, despite all my friends' obsessions with it. The Virgin Suicides (10/10) on the other hand, is one of my favorite films and was the reason I looked forward to Lost in Translation so much before it came out...

The thing is, I don't think her films are particularly intellectual. They're well-made, interesting little slices of life (so far) and as far as it goes, i think they can be a little shallow at times even (and it sounds like the same can be said for Marie Antoinette), but the thing is, I don't care about that in her films. I watch her movies hoping they'll create an atmosphere/mood for an hour or two and if they do that for me, they do their job well enough. I'm not expecting anything really out of Marie Antoinette except enveloping me in the mood of the film. I almost think of her films as popcorn films for the more artsy crowd.

[Lazy Boy]

Originally posted by JCPhoenix
The thing is, I don't think her films are particularly intellectual. They're well-made, interesting little slices of life (so far) and as far as it goes, i think they can be a little shallow at times even (and it sounds like the same can be said for Marie Antoinette), but the thing is, I don't care about that in her films. I watch her movies hoping they'll create an atmosphere/mood for an hour or two and if they do that for me, they do their job well enough. I'm not expecting anything really out of Marie Antoinette except enveloping me in the mood of the film. I almost think of her films as popcorn films for the more artsy crowd.

I can totally see this viewpoint -- Lost in Translation is one of my favorite films, but you can see the moments where Murray is riffing compared to the exact point where he's tied down to her script, the scene where he and Charlotte are laying on the bed and talking about kids, etc. I don't think it's especially profound either, but there's just something so relaxing and intimate about that scene. Like you said, the mood she presents is sort of intoxicating, and yeah, it ain't deep, but it fits due to the point where the characters' are at in this stage of life.

Maria Antoinette is supposed to be a celebration of superficiality, and I don't know if this is meant to escape any criticism the film might have as being "empty," but so be it. Plus, the soundtrack kicks ass.

Every director has his or her rabid fanbase (jumping on Scorsese's dick, for example, with every film he does), so I would agree that it's not really Coppola as it is her fans.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy

Every director has his or her rabid fanbase (jumping on Scorsese's dick, for example, with every film he does), so I would agree that it's not really Coppola as it is her fans.


That's where objectivity comes in. I love Scorsese, he's my favorite director, but as hard as I try to I cannot get myself to like Casino. I see where some fans might have trouble with this, but it's still something we need to be able to overcome as human beings.

[QUENTIN]

I loved Lost in Translation, it made my top 5 in a very solid year. The Virgin Suicides was a great flick as well, and I think Marie Antoinette looks like fun. So as a director, I definetly like her.

But I definetly have a big complaint about her: There are people who say they find her attractive. They simply must be lying. As illogical as that may sound, it is more logical than the idea that anyone, ever, could find her anything but repulsive. She's easily the ugliest person in Hollywood (I'd let Edward James Olmos fuck me before I held her hand) and seriously one of the ugliest famous people that's ever been. She's REPULSIVE looking and I don't see how talented directors like Spike Jonze and Quentin Tarantino (an ugly man himself, but he can do so much better) can wake up in the morning and not shoot themselves for dating her.

I consider myself a fan of hers, her directing so far is quite good and it's a shame she get so much blame for her terrible performance in The Godfather III, as I think it's more her dad's fault for not realizing his daughter's just not an actress. But any fan that thinks she's any better looking than the average equine is purely practicing self-delusion. I mean c'mon:

http://d1268247.u31.mygisol.com/Sofia_Coppola/sofia_coppola5.jpg

Great, now I'm impotent for a month for having posted that...

[QUENTIN]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat

Seriously though, I know I don't care for her and everything but she isn't exactly sore on the eyes.

Originally posted by Tweek

I don't think she's ugly either.

You both need to be committed.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Yikes, that picture is hideous, maybe you're right.

[XHendrix24]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
[B]7. Marie-Antoinette

What the hell was she thinking? "I think I'll just make a big budget disaster about Marie-Antoinette and make it a big poppy canvas full of new age music"? I haven't seen all of it yet, but I've seen parts and it looks pretty awful. Hell, I kind of wish she'd go back to copying Cameron Crowe.


I think the word you were looking for there was New Wave. Gang of Four and New Order certainly aren't New Age music.

Actually, that soundtrack looks pretty damn good on the whole. Forget going to see the movie, just get the soundtrack. Cool stuff.

[Kevin Lockard]

Hmm...well, that pic isn't all that but I don't think she's ugly.

[Cyclonus]

Hmmm...I never thought she was that hot, but I don't think she's ugly either. I admit that was a bad picture, but otherwise if you asked my opinion, I'd shrug and say she's alright. As a director, though, she's good but not great. I liked The Virgin Suicides, and Lost in Translation was an interesting effort, though I'm not prepared to evaluate it without a second viewing. Marie Antionette I don't know about, some of the reviews have been very negative, yet Roger Ebert gives it a four-star rating. I'm willing to give this a chance, though I hesitate to rush out and see it.