RESIDENT EVIL

[Mike]

This movie looks awesome. And now after reading Joblo and the Arrow's reviews for it, I'm even more excited. I love fun action packed movies with booming soundtracks and it sounds like that's what Resident Evil is. I've never played the game but I'm still highly anticipating this movie. I can't wait to see it.

What does everyone else think? If you've seen it is it good? What would you give it for a grade?

[SteveSzyk]

I thought the trailer was simply HORRIBLE! Hated everything about it. The Tv spots are getting a little better, and Joblo, and Arrow's reviews give it hope, but I'm not very interested. Maybe on a lonely friday night on video, but most likely I won't see it in theatres.

[Scarface98.9]

I'll see it. I'm not worried about the horrible reviews its been getting since "hey, its a video game movie, what were u expecting?"

[ColinM]

I'm going to see it anyway, but it looks really bad...

[Stripes]

I'm going to see it in about two hours, I already preordered my Tix.

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[idealdiscountdude]

Guys, I just got back from Resident Evil (which I was dragged to) and well I loved it!

It's not a great a film by all means, however it was a great time-consumer with a very fast pace and great thrills.

I enjoyed it!

7.5/10

[gyro_44]

I agree, Ideal... a fun way to spend an afternoon if you're an avid gamer or enjoy a good B monster movie. I liked the film's energy, and Milla... oh Milla...

Anyway, "RE" is a pretty good time folks. But don't expect an ounce of depth.

[Silverload]

I did not want to see this movie, a friend made me go. After I seen it, I loved it. This is an excellent video game movie. Resident Evil is pure entertainment, and only if you played the video games there is more depth to this movie then what is shown. This movie shows how it all began and ends in perfect correlation with the game. Watching this movie made me feel like I was playing the game. Most video game movies lose the spirit of the game, RE did not lose an ounce (even with different characters).

Also the action never got TOO unrealistic. From the previews I thought there were going to fly 50ft through the air and do other matrixish things. Like the kick she does. It is the only thing she really does, other then throwing a few punches and shooting a gun. Plus the kick was quick and it looked good.

And the CGI looked good because it was all very quick shots of CGI. If you blinked you would miss it. The zombies looked very good despite what you might have seen in the previews. They even have one of the zombies missing half of his face like the one from the game. The dogs were the coolest, torn ears, missing skin, and wicked eyes made them look very scary.

The music is the exact same music from the game. When the action is going on we here action music, but when something scary is going on we here that same creepy music from the game. I loved it.

The trailer did not do this movie justice. This movie is the game through and through.

RE is strictly for those looking for a good fun and entertaining time at the movies. If you did not like the games you will not like this movie. If you never played the game and looking for a great time with zombies and monsters this is the movie for you, but you might not be able to appreciate the kick ass ending as much as I did. Paul Anderson outdid himself with this movie.

I am basing this strictly on entertainment
9/10

[Muha]

it was ok


wasnt like the game tho


i wanted tyrant and the real characters


reminded me more of resident evil 2 with the licker

where are the hunters?????


5/10

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
it was ok


wasnt like the game tho


i wanted tyrant and the real characters


reminded me more of resident evil 2 with the licker

where are the hunters?????


5/10</font>
thanx for that very in-depth review Muha

[Lazycouch]

Well, me and my friend, and my little brother just got back from this movie. What can I say, we all loved it, and I cannot wait for the sequal (ending rocked btw).

Like the other person said above, all I care about is the entertainment value. Which is why I'm not surprised this movie is getting bashed by critics.

Folks, this movie is basically critic proof. Lots of people who see this will love it, but critics will HATE IT. It does not have a developed plot or developed characters. It's also not one of those "high brow" horror films like Sixth Sense, Exorcist, or The Others. However, it is VERY entertaining.

So, if you're a self-important snob who is addicted to Indie and Foreign films, STAY AWAY FROM THIS MOVIE BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT LIKE IT!

Anyway, like I said, I loved it.

9/10.


Oh, and btw, I thought this movie was going to be like Final Fantasy where there would only be like 5 people in the entire room. To my surprise, the one I went to was surprisingly packed. I doubt this will be a flop (at least commercial wise). I predict it will be #2 this weekend, or it will be #3 following close behind Showtimes.

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[Aztec]

I almost missed the beginning because of all the kids in line to go to Ice Age.

I went. I sat. I enjoyed this video game movie.
Pros:
I learned two things watching RE. One, the laser defense system effects kicked ass. Second, Milla shaves if ya know what I mean http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

Cons:
The annoying blast of music for every frikkin moment your supposed to jump out of your seat and the zombies never said "I want brains!!"

7/10

[idealdiscountdude]

I think that Resident Evil is going to do great business, this weekend anyways.

I went to the 2:50 matinee today and the theatre was PACKED!!!!!!

[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
Which is why I'm not surprised this movie is getting bashed by critics.</font>

Critics might bash Resident Evil but the public does not seem to agree with them. During the movie you kept hearing people jumping in their seats and saying thinks like “Hell yeah!” Usually at the end of the theater you here at least one person say it sucked. When I left I heard people saying “that was cool” and “I am bringing my friends back to see this”

At Yahoo its average rating is 4.2 of 5 stars. At imdb most of the user comments are positive.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

this is great! im so happy that, for the most part, people are lovin it. i am so excited; im seein it tonite! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Muha]

well i dont appreciate the sarcasm of scarface, but ill write an "indepth" review anyway.

im a huge fan of the games... i own or owned all 3 for the PS. i find the film accurate with the basic plot points of umbrella and the t virus, but i wondered about how the movie would be different if it were at least accurate to the video game.

its just like final fantasy IMO (which is my favorite video game series of all time)... i feel that if it sticked at least somewhat to the video game's plot it would have been a superb film.

actually have chris redfield, jill valentine, and albert wesker in the film. it would make gamers like me happy and the people who have never played the game would never have noticed.

i wanted to see the tyrant... i got the licker. the licker is in the second video game. it doesnt turn into a bigger licker when it devours human dna.

one thing i sort of liked tho was the red queen... i didnt like the idea of a super computer at all, but i did enjoy the fact that it was sherry birkin from the second game. i thought that was kind of interesting there.

i also liked the ending... i thought that sticked with the game. the environment was creepy as hell and as soon as i saw the raccoon city hospital sign i knew.

the actors bugged the hell out of me tho. milla was ok, but i honestly believe that the movie would have been 100 times better if it were somewhat faithful to the video game.


SPOILERS OF VG

the video game's plot was better than this film's IMO. the deaths of all the STARS members, the deception of albert wesker, and the final battle with the tyrant.

im sorry, but if they made the tyrant in this film, people who have never seen him before would flip the fuck out.

final rating is 5/10

pros:
good special effects
great acting zombies


cons:
maybe more blood
actors
strayed too much away from the video game.

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EDsoulsurvive*:
this is great! im so happy that, for the most part, people are lovin it. i am so excited; im seein it tonite! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif</font>

Actually, according to rottentomatoes.com, most people are not loving it. It's got only a 35% rating...

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[idealdiscountdude]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ColinM:
Actually, according to rottentomatoes.com, most people are not loving it. It's got only a 35% rating...

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Rottentomatoes.com's ratings are based on critics responses, not on the general public's.

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ColinM:
Actually, according to rottentomatoes.com, most people are not loving it. It's got only a 35% rating...

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but was anyone really expecting it to be a critical favorite? I think he was referring to the common person, since many schmoes loved the movie.

[Congerking]

what you guys gotta remember is that this movie is a PREQUEL to the first RE game. THis is before Tyrant, the STARS team and even before Wesker. If you want to see all those characters in the game, that would probably be in the second movie. Mia fighting Wesker, that would be great.

[Invincible]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
This movie looks awesome. And now after reading Joblo and the Arrow's reviews for it, I'm even more excited. I love fun action packed movies with booming soundtracks and it sounds like that's what Resident Evil is. I've never played the game but I'm still highly anticipating this movie. I can't wait to see it.

What does everyone else think? If you've seen it is it good? What would you give it for a grade?</font>

You definately gotta SEE IT!!! As a Fan of the games I urge you to see iT! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif And you also need to play the games if you want to understand the movie and the upcoming sequels http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I loved it man! It's TOTALLY best ever game-to-movie!!! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

9/10 for making me AWE at the END!!!

"We want him in the Nemesis program." - Evil Scientists Resident Evil: Nemesis Is coming! YEEEEEEAH!

[Invincible]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:

wasnt like the game tho</font>

Ummm...that's cause this is a prequel? does that explains it? maybe you didn't pay attention to some cut scenes in the game cause you were scared and had to hide under the bed http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif that's why you missed the story from the games http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Muha]

stick it invincible

i thought there was no ridiculing on this message board...

[idealdiscountdude]

Guys,

Feel free to disagree, but personal attacks are not tolerated on the boards!

[Congerking]

to all you saying that there wasn't enough blood and gore in the movie, i just read that Paul Anderson said that in the DVD there will be much more gore and blood because he had to cut most of it out for the theatrical version.

[Movie Hunter]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Invincible:
Ummm...that's cause this is a prequel? does that explains it? maybe you didn't pay attention to some cut scenes in the game cause you were scared and had to hide under the bed http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif that's why you missed the story from the games http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

</font>

I think that you are so excited about that movie..... :{ !!!!!!


if i say that i dont like it , will u kill me ?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Wiggleworm]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Congerking:
to all you saying that there wasn't enough blood and gore in the movie, i just read that Paul Anderson said that in the DVD there will be much more gore and blood because he had to cut most of it out for the theatrical version.</font>

That is absolutely true, Paul Anderson said that more then once in a few interviews. It is going to be a special edition unrated version. I can’t wait for that DVD.

[Congerking]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Movie Hunter:
I think that you are so excited about that movie..... :{ !!!!!!


if i say that i dont like it , will u kill me ?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

</font>


hehe, you never know. what is your address, ill send you some T-Virus infected scientists. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Lazycouch]

Well, for all you people out there who haven't seen it and are still bashing it, I think you just need to give it up and admit the film rocks.

The fact that critics hated the movie but the general public enjoyed it just tells us that it's pretty much impossible to make an action movie and please critics at the same time.

This kind of reminds me of last year's Fast and Furious. Everybody said it looked shitty, and the critics hated it, but then people saw the movie and everybody talked about how much they loved it.

[The Creeper]

This movie was awesome! You know, I'm 16( Ok, I'm 15. So sue me!)and I was going to take my girlfriend with me to see this since she also is a fan of horror movies and the Resident Evil games. Her parents took us to the theatre and left. Then, we realized we needed an adult to get us in, but it was just us. We were desperate. After about 10 minutes of talking over what to do( while freezing our asses off), my girlfriend out of nowhere walked over to a guy who was helping to sell girl scout cookies, and asked him to get us in. He agreed, and we got our tickets. Thank god he did too because otherwise we would have ended up seeing Return to Neverland or something. It made me enjoy the movie more, knowing that I almost didn't see it.

On to the movie: Everything was kick-ass! The action sequences, especially the much talked about laser scene.

The characters, especially Alice and Rain(although she only played one emotion throughout the film:Pissed off)

The music: The Score, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson. Somehow fit.

***SPOILER***

The movie wasn't afraid to kill anyone off. I thought the black guy in the laser room would live at least to the end.


***END SPOILER***

The best video game-to-movie adaption yet. Well, anyways, I plan on going to see it again today with my friend. Hope you enjoyed it. See ya!

9/10

[Invincible]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
stick it invincible

i thought there was no ridiculing on this message board...

</font>

I smell BANNING! go spread your shit somewhere else I didn't say anything to make you MAD! I just pointed out that this is a prequel http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Congerking]

***SPOILER***

The movie wasn't afraid to kill anyone off. I thought the black guy in the laser room would live at least to the end.

***END SPOILER***
9/10[/B][/QUOTE]

***SPOILER***
i totally agree with you on this one. i didn't think that everyone was going to die in that one room. I think that too many died in that one room, more should have been eaten by the licker or the dogs. that would have been great to have someone eaten by the dogs.
***END SPOILER***

[Muha]

I smell BANNING! go spread your shit somewhere else I didn't say anything to make you MAD! I just pointed out that this is a prequel

ban me? for what? telling you to stick it? if they ban me they should ban ur ass for ridiculing my opinion on the film. yeah and you did make me mad.

if this movie was a prequel then it shouldnt be called resident evil. resident evil should be about the first video game, not a prequel thought up by the director.

[Congerking]

muha, you a point, why is the prequel to resident evil called resident evil. it should have been called something else, bad move by the director.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ColinM:
Actually, according to rottentomatoes.com, most people are not loving it. It's got only a 35% rating...

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ok, wasn't talkin about critics *mainstream critics suck* But for the most part the PUBLIC PEOPLE are lovin it, includin my self (9/10) and everyone else who was at the theater.

[ColinM]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
Well, for all you people out there who haven't seen it and are still bashing it, I think you just need to give it up and admit the film rocks.</font>

I'm assuming you meant they need to give it up and go see it?

Well, I saw it tonight and...I think it's one of the two worst movies of the year.

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ColinM:
I'm assuming you meant they need to give it up and go see it?

Well, I saw it tonight and...I think it's one of the two worst movies of the year.</font>
&lt;sarcasm&gt;geez, that came out of left field &lt;/sarcasm&gt;. but come on, how can Resident Evil be worse than the Time Machine, or Rollerball. that's some stiff competition right there

[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Congerking:
muha, you a point, why is the prequel to resident evil called resident evil. it should have been called something else, bad move by the director.</font>

Because all the video games are called resident evil.


<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Muha:
if this movie was a prequel then it shouldnt be called resident evil. resident evil should be about the first video game, not a prequel thought up by the director. </font>

I loved move because it was a prequel. Fans of the game learn something new, and people that are not fans aren’t missing out on anything. I am glad they did not just base it on the first game because the first Resident evil is not even the best of the series, Resident Evil 2 was a lot better then the first one. If they did base it on the first game you would know everything that was going to happen next, like who was going to die next. Now the movie is working together with the game to tell one story, instead of the movie just retelling what fans already knew. That is why so many people like this movie. It is not just a normal movie, it is like a Resident Evil game actually came to life on the big screen. We learn the story about what went on in the hive. And that ending was just perfect.

Also if you are curious about what a movie based on the first game would have been like go read George Romero’s script. Then you come back and say you wished the movie was just based on the first game. It really is a terrible script. Poor Romero, he has really lost his touch.

[event horizon]

does anyone know when its gonna be released in the uk??? i cant find out ne where!

[Lazycouch]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ColinM:
I'm assuming you meant they need to give it up and go see it?

Well, I saw it tonight and...I think it's one of the two worst movies of the year.</font>


I'm not really surprised. Considering that everytime you talked about Resident Evil you shit on it, you practically went into this movie WANTING to hate it. If you go into a movie thinking it will suck and spend your time trying to pick out flaws, errors, and plot holes, instead of lightening up and enjoying it, then of course you'll hate it.

BTW, like I said before, Joblo and Arrow both enjoyed it, so, no matter what you say, its NOT A BAD MOVIE.
I like this quote from his review:
"If you're going to see this movie to be creeped out and entertained, you will surely feel the urge for a cigarette afterwards."



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[ColinM]

Scarface, I didn't see Rollerball. I liked The Time Machine only a little bit more, probably only because of Guy Pearce.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
I'm not really surprised. Considering that everytime you talked about Resident Evil you shit on it, you practically went into this movie WANTING to hate it. If you go into a movie thinking it will suck and spend your time trying to pick out flaws, errors, and plot holes, instead of lightening up and enjoying it, then of course you'll hate it.</font>

Although I see your point, you aren't correct. I went into Resident Evil wanting to like it. I never go into a movie wanting to hate it. Actually, I was enjoying myself for a little while (until the soldiers showed up), but after a while it became clear that that movie sucked. (At least in my opinion.)

I can think of many instances where I've thought a movie looked really bad (and I've said so) and was pleasantly surprised with it. Resident Evil just isn't one of them.

Besides, I could say the same about you. You seemed ready to declare it the best movie ever well before you saw it.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
BTW, like I said before, Joblo and Arrow both enjoyed it, so, no matter what you say, its NOT A BAD MOVIE.</font>

I'm surprised you are using the defense that if a couple of critics like it, it must be good. I could show you a whole hell of a lot more critics that don't like it.

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[EDsoulsurvive*]

ok, i don't know why people are shredding this movie apart, not to mention any names *cough*colin*cough* or anything. i thought that this movie was great. what wasn't there to like??? good performances from the cast, beautiful lead, good plot twists, and a kickass ending. The dialogue really wasn't bad and Paul Anderson created a great eerie feeling within the movie. The cgi was actually really good, and i thought the zombies and the dogs looked great. all in all, i had an awesome time 9/10

[Muha]

resident evil wasnt that great... the time machine was way better IMO.

[Lazycouch]

The reason why I trust Joblo and Arrow's reviews is because unlike other critics, they view movies the way they're supposed to be viewed. They are critics who represent the general public. Actually, I wouldn't really call them critics, just regular movie-goers who happen to write reviews for movies.

You see, there are lots of entertaining movies, that I enjoyed, but critics hated. For example, Deep Impact, Deep Blue Sea, Lake Placid, Mummy Returns, End of Days, and The Haunting (yes, the newer version, you can all say it sucks but I enjoyed the hell out of it, and so does everybody else I know who saw it) . What I have learned is that critics do not know the meaning of the words "fun" and "entertainment". They got their artistic perceptions and photography techniques shoved so far up their collective asses they do not know how to enjoy a good movie.

Look, I'm also not some junkie who is only entertained by movies with snazzy special effects and explosions. I enjoyed Memento, Almost Famous, Fight Club, Cast Away, Saving Private Ryan, and even 2001: A Space Oddysee. But I DO know how to lighten up.

And the movie MUST be boring, because out of all the people on this board who have mentioned they saw the movie, I have only seen about 3 who bashed it. Everybody else loved it. Seems the only people who bash it are those 3 people and everybody else who HASN'T seen the movie.

And I really can't see how you people preferred Time Machine over Resident Evil. Resident Evil was the fun popcorn fest that Time Machine WANTED to be. The only thing in the movie slightly interesting were the cool time changing sequences. Everything else about the movie was so dull, bland, uninteresting, and tedious I have a hard time imagining how ANYONE could have enjoyed this movie. I mean, heck, me and Joblo both have the same opinions, he gave Time Machine a 3/10, yet Resident Evil a 7/10.



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[Antwort]

First off, it wasn't the best dialogue, but what it lacks in that area, it makes up for in an eerie environment and non-stop action, from the beginning to the end, it never stopped, and it all ended with a fantastic ending. And coming from the director of mortal kombat, I went into it with really low expectations, but I came out a believer, that the game to movie genre still has hope, I just hope that Resident Evil's sequel doesn't end up like Mortal Kombat's sequal... junk. I've already seen Resident Evil twice, and I plan on seeing it again next weekend, I'm gonna do everything in my will to keep that sequal in production

9/10

[Invincible]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
The reason why I trust Joblo and Arrow's reviews is because unlike other critics, they view movies the way they're supposed to be viewed.</font>

You're right and I prefer Joblo's and Arrow's cause they're 100% HONEST! http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Lazycouch]

I totally agree Antwort. I just hope Resident Evil does not get ruined by another Mortal Kombat:Annihlation. Boy was that movie a turd.

Oh, btw guys, I just checked out imdb.com, and Resident Evil has a score of 7.2/10. Not bad for a movie that's universally hated by all the critics.

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[TheFrost]

event horizion quote:
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does anyone know when its gonna be released in the uk??? i cant find out ne where!
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Yes, I live in the UK also event and it comes out on APRIL 5TH got that, everyone living in the UK mark your calenders Resident Evil arrives on APRIL 5TH (i think)

[Dunch]

If you really liked Mummy Returns, then my friend, you are FUCKED UP.

have a nice day, I love you all.

[Invincible]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Antwort:
...non-stop action, from the beginning to the end, it never stopped, and it all ended with a fantastic ending....
9/10</font>

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING! Invincible really liked, though never expected that RE will start so fast non-stop! there wasn't much talking or discussing shite! I liked how it went! the way both of them Alice and the Other had memory loss but then it came back to 'em at the end.

THIS movie IS NON-STOP, literally! I mean it! LiTerallY!

[Muha]

Originally Posted by Dunch:
If you really liked Mummy Returns, then my friend, you are FUCKED UP.
have a nice day, I love you all.

HHAHAHAHAH! Dunch you cocksmoking son of a bitch! i love ya man! ur the funniest guy i know! haha... see you in school tomorrow.

[mreeez]

RE actually got a decent review in the local paper (Newsday here on Long Island). I'm actually a glad that the movie wasn't the RE 1 game. I've played the game and been there, done that. RE is faithful to the games and a good time. Surprised it didn't do better numbers at the box office, the theater I went to was packed and ones that friends of mine went to were packed also. I recommend the movie if ya wanna go see a cool action film. Sure I wish there was a bit more gore but I'm sure the MPAA had something to do with that. Can't wait for RE2. OK, I'm done rambling now.

[edlover691]

This movie was as close to the game as hollywood would or could have made and I loved every minute.

[kobe]

this movie was so far the most flat out entertaining flick of the year. i hope this is a sign of things to come in the coming weeks with blade 2 and panic room and spider man just around the corner.

[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
Oh, btw guys, I just checked out imdb.com, and Resident Evil has a score of 7.2/10. Not bad for a movie that's universally hated by all the critics.</font>

Actually 7.2 is very good for imdb. There great movies have a rating of 7.5 to 9.0. I was expecting RE to be about 6.5 or 6.6, and that would have been good.

[inglourious basterd]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
You see, there are lots of entertaining movies, that I enjoyed, but critics hated. For example, Deep Impact, Deep Blue Sea, Lake Placid, Mummy Returns, End of Days, and The Haunting (yes, the newer version, you can all say it sucks but I enjoyed the hell out of it, and so does everybody else I know who saw it) . What I have learned is that critics do not know the meaning of the words "fun" and "entertainment". They got their artistic perceptions and photography techniques shoved so far up their collective asses they do not know how to enjoy a good movie.</font>

I do not think you are right. Let me tell you why. Critics are people like you and me. The only difference is that they have more film know-how. JoBlo and Arrow both fit into that category (JoBlo writes screenplays and Arrow finished film school and is working on his first movie) and are legitimate critics.

My second point is that critics do understand the words "fun" and "entertainment", but most do not share the same taste in film as you. If you recall, Ebert enjoyed Tomb Raider (one of the crappiest movies in the past five years) and James Bernadelli enjoyed Fast and the Furious. That disproves your notion that they are just hardasses that watch movies to make your life a living hell.

I could honestly tell you that I used to enjoy action movies. In my youth, Sly and Arnold were my two favorite actors! Why do I have distaste for movies like RE and FF (with no character development and all that other good stuff)? Its cause after the thousandth action movie, I got tired of it. For many of the professional critics, it is to an even greater extent. I never expect mainstream action to become artsy and full of meaning...I just expect it to be well-written and/or original. Thats all that I ask. And with hundreds of new writers coming out every day...its something that we should be seeing more of. Its sad that we dont.

Just because someone doesn't share your opinion does not mean that they are incapable of having fun at the movies.


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[Antwort]

Well it is sad that you have become burned out on action. You are missing out on a lot of fun if you can’t enjoy fun movies because you go into movies with a checklist. But how many long slow movies can you watch before you get burned out on them? How many surprise ending can you watch before you become burned out?

For example Memento is a well written, very original movie. It is directed good and had a cool ending. But in truth Memento is a very boring movie. I like the movie very much, but I can’t watch over and over like I can for action movies. I like entertainment more then I like anything else in a movie. So does most everyone else out there. Why do you think fast pace action movies usually make more money? Like the Mummy Returns, it was horrible from a critic’s view, but the public loved it.

If I want something just for the story I read a book. Reading a good story is often more enjoyable then watching it. Movies are supposed to be visually entertaining. I could watch action movies all day long because something visually exciting is always going on.

[tbey]

Welllll...I finally got a chance to see Resident Evil today and boy do I feel good. I have to say this was the best videogame translation ever imho. For me this topped Mortal Kombat and trampled all the others in it's wake.

Were there flaws? Yes. Were they that bad? No. Was the movie rockin' ? HELL YEAH!!!

I have to agree with some people here that too many people want to view it by it's differences with the game...big mistake. It is a prequel and involves the 1st Umbrella Team to enter Raccoon City.

As most recall, it was mentioned in the 1st game that the 1st team all disappeared presumed dead, Jill, Chris, Wesker, Barry, Forest et al. were part of the 2nd team. When they stepped foot into the mansion everything was already on the loose and we didn't see how they got there.

Maybe Alice (or Sonya) as the Strike Team Leader called her wasn't meant to be Jill but a new character in an upcoming prequel (which has been mentioned recently) or maybe she actually is Jill Valentine and we'll find out in the sequel (which Milla herself announced on tv).

The mutating licker may be the key to how they'll explain Tyrant. Maybe the process they put it through will give us Tyrant. We'll see soon enough.

I walked out of a crowded cinema with many thoughts running through my head...

1. This was a rush
2. Michelle Rodriguez is hot
3. When the heck is Eric Mabius gonna turn into the Crow?
4. I can't wait for the sequel.
5. Wasn't Milla's bf the guy from Deep Blue Sea?
6. Milla most certainly shaves (yes I do know what you mean.

and most importantly...
7. What kinda idiots bring their preschoolers to a movie like this. Do they want to traumatize the kids for life?

With the exception of the preschoolers the audience was completely engrossed and at least 99% left with smiles on their faces...myself and my friends included.

[inglourious basterd]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Antwort:
Well it is sad that you have become burned out on action. You are missing out on a lot of fun if you can’t enjoy fun movies because you go into movies with a checklist. But how many long slow movies can you watch before you get burned out on them? How many surprise ending can you watch before you become burned out?
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I like the occasional action movie...as long as if it is not the same old thing that I have seen hundreds of times before. Like I said in my other post, all I expect from an action movie is that it is well-written. In Hollywood what often occurs is that a winning formula (not just with action movies) is milked way beyond the point that it becomes tasteless. I havent seen RE yet (but I have seen Fast and the Furious) and I know that I want more than just a visually stunning picture. Like I said before, thats where the job of a writer is supposed to come into play.

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For example Memento is a well written, very original movie. It is directed good and had a cool ending. But in truth Memento is a very boring movie. I like the movie very much, but I can’t watch over and over like I can for action movies. I like entertainment more then I like anything else in a movie. So does most everyone else out there. Why do you think fast pace action movies usually make more money? Like the Mummy Returns, it was horrible from a critic’s view, but the public loved it.
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Memento wasnt really an action movie. It was well-written and with all due respect, it is only boring if you were not able to pay attention to what was going on. There is more to movie than visuals. Once you watch enough action movies, I guarantee that you would agree. Eventually you realize that they are all the same thing.

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If I want something just for the story I read a book. Reading a good story is often more enjoyable then watching it. Movies are supposed to be visually entertaining. I could watch action movies all day long because something visually exciting is always going on. </font>

Well...I have seen that movies can work better than the books that they originate from. This has been true with some indie films and is certainly true with Kubrick's work. Sadly, I do not have the time to read novels... If I could, I would. That is one thing that I love about movies. For the astute viewer, one can get as much out of a movie that another could get from a book. For some rare movies (a recent example would be Ghost World) more can be gotten from a movie than a book.

[Stripes]

I went and seen Resident Evil Friday night, and let me tell you that it sucked ass. The first 20 minutes was alright and everything after that was intolerably stupid. It was one of the cheesiest movies I have seen in a long time. It should have been a straight to Sci Fi channel movie, actually I have seen better acting and special effects with better plots on that channel. Don't see this piece of garbage......(2/10) The 2 is only for the laser sequence.

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[Lazycouch]

Go away.

[Freak]

One of the worst movies ever ... still don't know why I paid for that crap ...

[Lazycouch]

Well, just checked rottentomatoes.com, and Showtime is more horribly reviewed than RE.

Proof that critics suck.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Thought it was great,but could have been awesome if Romero directed and they followed the storyline of the game.

The fact that the STARS weren't in this one and the timeline was altered,was immensely disappointing.P Anderson seems to have stuck his nose up at the fans,the ones who know every character,and have an emotional investment in them..


What was good:


All out over the top action


Menacing Zombies(they look great don't worry,i know some people said they did'nt look good)


Milla Jovovich was convincing as an action star in a role that will make her a household name


Licker was excellent


Cerberruses were great,if underutilized


Great set design


Music contributed to the intense mood of the film


Laser room sequence

Awesome Weoponry(would liked to have seen grenade launchers

What was bad:

No STARS

Noone from the games or books


MR almost singlehandedly ruined the film with her cliched one dimensional poor man's Vasquez imitation from Aliens


Timeline was altered


Romero did'nt direct(i don't know why he did'nt,P Anderson stole almost everything from his films,especially Dawn of Dead)


The UBCS(Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service)was sympathetic,they are cold blooded killers in the games and book.


It's a great film,but it could have been amazing,and the fact that the timeline has been changed will just about ensure none of the characters from the game will be in the films.Why,oh Why?Imagine Frodo or Gandalph not being in the screen adaptation of LOTR.It's the same way i feel about Jill Valentine and Chris Redfield from the games,they play a huge part in the RE universe.


Just had to clear something up for everyone.The STARS(Special tactics and rescue squad)were the heroes of the first game,not the UBCS.The first team to enter the mansion(STARS bravo Squad) consisted of Rebecca Chambers(Medic,survived),Forest Spyer(Death by crow),Kenneth Sullivan(Killed by Zombie),Richard Akien(death from snake poison),and Enrico Marini(murdered by Albert Wesker).Then the Alpha team entered the mansion to escape the cerberuses.That squad consisted of Jill Valentine,Chris Redfield,Albert Wesker(squad leader and Umbrella spy),Barry Burton.Joseph was murdered in the forest outside the mansion,and Brad Vickers was their pilot.

The STARS were not even mentioned,but one of the characters was an RPD rookie.I don't have too much hope for the sequels unless someone straightens out this mess,but i doubt it with Paul(i did'nt direct Boogie Nights)Anderson,it's already ruined.


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[entitee]

i think wanting this to be a rehashing of the video game is silly. I'm glad I forgot the story to the games because it allowed me to just enjoy the movie as a movie and not scrutinize character/plot differences. I don't feel the filmmaker owes me anything just because I'm a fan of the games.
I enjoyed it as the movie it is.

[ColinM]

I can see why people liked this movie (I enjoy some brainless action flicks too, and I have a few "guilty pleasure" movies as well). I just don't see how anybody could give it a 9/10, as a 9/10 indicates greatness. I think the reason so many people are giving it a 9/10 and it has such a high IMDb rating is that people were so psyched up and so excited about this movie that when it finally came out, everybody was ready to say that it's a great movie.

I tend to think that in a few weeks, people will be more calmed down and realize it wasn't that great a movie, and the IMDb rating will drop. This usually happens at the IMDb (the Top 250 list should be proof enough for that).

But hey, if you want to like this movie, more power to you. I just didn't is all...

[ColinM]

By the way...

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Lazycouch:
Go away.</font>

All the guy said was that he didn't like Resident Evil and why. You say "go away", which is further proof that you need to lighten up. These threads aren't just for Resident Evil lovers, it's for moviefans to come and talk about what they thought of the movie. Some people aren't going to like it. Gotta get used to that.

Also...

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
What was good:

All out over the top action

Menacing Zombies(they look great don't worry,i know some people said they did'nt look good)

Milla Jovovich was convincing as an action star in a role that will make her a household name

Licker was excellent

Cerberruses were great,if underutilized

Great set design

Music contributed to the intense mood of the film

Laser room sequence

Awesome Weoponry(would liked to have seen grenade launchers</font>

It's cool that you liked the movie so much, but I've gotta say that I don't agree with all your reasons. The licker looked so fake! It was just too obviously CGI, and the actors didn't look like they were really looking at anything when the looked at it. (It's cool looking, of course, but better in the game because at least there it fit.) Also, I'm one of the people who thinks that the zombies looked like the dancers from Michel Jackson's Thriller video...

I thought Milla Jovovich was alright, but she certainly isn't a household name after this movie. The rest of your reasons are cool (especially the laser sequence scene, that kicked ass), but I felt like the movie was kind of a ripoff of Alien, and many of the reasons you pointed out above (weapons, music, etc) worked better in that movie.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
MR almost singlehandedly ruined the film with her cliched one dimensional poor man's Vasquez imitation from Aliens</font>

Goddamn right! She sucked. It's a shame too, because I know she can do better than that. And again, my Alien ripoff theory...

[dellamorte dellamore]

One of the main attractions to the RE universe is the characters and storyline,it's what seperates it from other videogame franchises.PA in his limited wisdom chose to ignore this fact,he insulted the fans intelligence,and attempted to reinvent RE in his own image.


Why?The characters in the game play a crucial role in RE's narrative,they are the only ones who are willing to stand up to White Umbrella,and expose them for what they are,a nameless,faceless pharmaceutical company conducting illegal experiments on animals and humans and alterung DNA to be used as Bioweapons.


He made the UBCS nice guys?Come on they were ruthless hired guns in the games and books,the STARS were the heroes,like the Rebel Alliance in the SW's films.

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Milla'a character,no matter how much i enjoyed her,was contrived,she really has no place in this film,neither did Mabius,his character's introduction was weak.He just happened to be hanging around outside that masion when UBCS showed up,and they took him into the hive instead of just leaving him behind,that's the height of contrivance.


I agree,the first appearance of the Licker was weak,i've seen better graphics in the game's cutscenes.But the rest of his actions looked fine,i had no problem with that.

End Spoilers

I can some up RE in 3 words,Aliens meets Demons,it's just an updated version of both.Anyone who has seen those two films will know exactly what i mean.


Like is said before,i was still entertained,and it was great seeing zombies on the big screen again,now let's get the 4th and final Dawn out there,and watch someone who utilizes prostethics instead of CGI.

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[Archon15]

"He made the UBCS nice guys?Come on they were ruthless hired guns in the games and books,the STARS were the heroes,like the Rebel Alliance in the SW's films."

Actually, the UBCS weren't ruthless hired guns. I'm assuming you've played "RE3:Nemesis," and if you have you'd remember that Carlos was UBCS and he had NO idea what Umbrealla was up to. Also, Nicholai was the only bad UBCS agent. Mikhail saved them all from Nemesis on the train, and if you've read the book, you'd see that Nicholai killed all the other members as soon as they reached the city. The team in the movie was the same way...had a vague understanding of Umbrella's research but no true idea of the extent of it.

Also, regarding Mabius: he wasn't outside the mansion, he was inside, and they took him because he was their prisoner, and they didn't want him getting away, just like a cop wouldn't leave an armed robber while they went to investigate a crime scene or something along those lines.

Needless to say-I thought this movie was sweet. Definitely not the greatest movie of all time, but for an Resident Evil fan like me, it was really great. Great tie-ins with the game: disappearing bodies, licker, the train, the ENDING WHICH ROCKED but left things open (like ALL THE GAMES DO), and Nemesis, to name a few.

Definitely a fun time at the movies...especially if you're an Resident Evil fan.

P.S. I think it's good that it was a prequel and not based on the games exactly because it would have been so hard to please everyone with a movie based on the first game. This way, Anderson has created this side-story to the Resident Evil mythology, nothing has been ruined and still more information has been added. Also, did anyone else read Romero's script?? It was pretty crappy...

[tbey]

ColinM said:

"I can see why people liked this movie (I enjoy some brainless action flicks too, and I have a few "guilty pleasure" movies as well). I just don't see how anybody could give it a 9/10, as a 9/10 indicates greatness. I think the reason so many people are giving it a 9/10 and it has such a high IMDb rating is that people were so psyched up and so excited about this movie that when it finally came out, everybody was ready to say that it's a great movie."

Actually I gave it a 9/10 when matching it against other videogame movies and other horror movies released in the last few years and I'm pretty sure that's how alot of other people rated it. If rated in general I'd give it a 7.5 (it may not have been a complete work of art but did anyone really expect it to be one? I sure didn't). It kept 99% of the viewers on their toes in the cinema I saw it in...on their toes and the edge of their seats.

On a sidenote regarding other posts from people here saying Resident Evil was nothing but an Alien Ripoff...I'd suggest they check out some old black and white horror films and see just how original Alien really was. I've seen quite a few Saturday Afternoon Creature Features that came to mind while watching Alien and Aliens. All they really did was change the type of monster.

[Lazycouch]

Well, the reason I gave this a 9/10 is on sheer fun factor and entertainment. If I were to rate this as a "film" like all the other critics did, I would probably give it a 5/10. To be honest, I thought RE actually had a halfway interesting plot, but I admit the acting was bad, there was no character development, and if I looked hard enough, I could find a lot of plot holes.

But to be honest, I didn't really care about that. Hey, I don't like ALL mindless action flicks. I thought Tomb Raider was awful. Tomb Raider lacked energy, it's action scenes were bland and fell flat, all in all, it just lacked that special something that gets an audience on their toes and clapping throughout the movie.

Resident Evil, however, had awesome action scenes, great music, frenetic pace, an interesting plot (although I admit it had a lot of holes), creepy-looking monsters, and a absolutely kickass action scene. The audience I was in sure seemed to enjoy this movie. The only people I can see that didn't enjoy this movie are those critics who were too busy with their noses stuck up in the air and came in this movie wanting to pick out all its errors and inconsistencies, instead of having a good time.

Don't get me wrong, Resident Evil isn't on the same page as Jurassic Park, or Terminator 2, or Die Hard, or even The Matrix.

A horror movie that I can compare Resident Evil to is Final Destination. Just like RE, the critics spit on Final Destination, but everyone else, ie, the public, loved it. I'd say that only 2/10 people hated Final Destination. Same thing for RE here.

[dellamorte dellamore]

You're right about Carlos Oliveira and Mickail from Nemesis,once they saw what Umbrella was up to,they turned against them,and sided with Jill Valentine,and the majority of the the squads sent into Racoon city thought it was a rescue mission,not an ambush,an experiment to test Umbrella Bioweapons effectiveness against actual soldiers,not just civilians.But the majority of them are still hired guns,whose allegiance is to their employer,Umbrella.

Spoiler Mania(if you haven't seen it yet don't read any further)


Why did they take Mabius inside the hive or arrest him in the first place,just leave him there.After all the place was supposed to be top secret,and they decide to bring an intruder inside with them.Why even bring Milla,she was supposed to be guarding the emergency entrance,let her wait outside,they did'nt need her,well the UBCS turned out to be so inept,they did,but they should'nt have.


The Hive was 900 feet underground,but somehow Mabius made it to the 13,14,15th floor almost instantaneously.Also noone was winded when they descended all those flights of stairs originally,carrying all that equipment.


Milla just happens to take a walk by herself after all the danger she has just witnessed.The ending ripped off Demons by Lamberto Bava,come to think of it almost the whole film.I was waiting for a Helicopter to crash through a ceiling.Just change the setting from a movie theater to an underground lab,add some guns,and a licker,and there you go.


How long were they in the hive,3 hours?I can't see everything going to hell in that amount of time,that was ludicrous.If this was supposed to happen sometime before the events in the first game,everything did'nt go to hell until almost six weeks later.In that time,there were murders in the forest,the STARS were suspended,accused of drug use and alcoholism,they're reputations were smeared by Umbrella in the ensuing coverup.The local police were on the take,politicians,the mayor.The STARS had to go into hiding,they became renegades.There was some suspense,mystery,the books led up to a climax with fleshed out characters.


Michele R is surrounded by Zombies in the tunnels,when one of her undead comrades confronts her,all the other zombies mysteriously stop attacking.Maybe they were touched at her uncharacteristic show of sympathy.


I'm P Anderson,i can't be bothered with plot points or logic or character development or coherent narrative,i'll just hack the hell out of a ton of other films,show Milla half naked,throw in an annoying cliched tough girl,and rip off 2001 space odysee with the Supercomputer gone mad subplot.

What annoys me is that this could have been amazing if he would have spent some more time with the story,but he just wanted to cash in on the games success.He does owe the fans,we are the ones who made the series succesful and made it possible for some hack like him to get a chance to direct this in the first place,at least show some respect,even if he does hate the games,from what i've heard.


The more i think about it,the more sickening it is,i'm tired of these lazy efforts.I like mindless action more than anyone,and this delivered big time in that area,but RE is more than that,there was tremendous potential for this,and it was squandered,but i said it in the very beginning,it's exactly what i expected from PA.


Oh well,the second will be just more of the same,i don't have high hopes for it,but they will have a bigger budget,so maybe he can hire a decent writer instead of trying to write a script himself.I get this feeling he did'nt put to much thought into this script,it's like a 5 year old wrote it.

It's the best zombie film in a while,and that was the best part,i could have done without the licker or cerberuses.The mansion looked great,and the set design was excellent.Ah i said all this before,i still feel it's a shame they did'nt go with Romero,and i'll always feel that way.


Allright that complaint about the timeline is braindead.We don't know how long she was asleep in the hospital,but it's hard to believe she was out that long,long enough for everything to descend into complete chaos.How did the virus make it out of the hive.That's easy,Mabius was infected,and he probably attacked the scientists,and everything spread like wildfire.

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[Professor Steve]

I always review movies by comparing them to what I would imagine the 10/10 movie to be. And for Resident Evil, I'd give it a 9/10 because it's so close to being the perfect RE movie.

If Romero did the film it would be much slower and moody - but I doubt it would be any better than this film in comparison. Of course, if it turned out to be like Dawn of the Dead it would be a 10/10, but I don't think he could have done it in the RE genre. I guess I just liked Anderson's fast pace, cool sets, and blasting music. I felt like I was in the game.

SO what would a 10/10 be?? I guess it would be the same movie with a little more character deveopment akin to Aliens, I would throw in a little more higher level mutant creatures, and maybe a little more gore for the heck of it. Otherwise, Anderson's version is a hit for me. And the ending is CLASSIC.

This film sooooo passed my expectations because I was expecting a "Species II" type of thing - trash.

I'm a big fan of the game(s), but don't care whether a movie version would stay true to the plot or characters. I think they did a decent job of that.

My only beef is that in real life I'd only be aiming at the zombie's heads and blasting them to pieces. Why did they shoot at the chest all the time? (To avoid an NC17 I suppose)

I hope this turns into an awesome trilogy of flix.

[Lazycouch]

It's safe to say you anaylized the movie WAY too much.

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Colin to Lazycouch: <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">[/b]All the guy said was that he didn't like Resident Evil and why. You say "go away", which is further proof that you need to lighten up.[/b]</font>

Colin - Lazycouch needs to get a life, not just lighten up. Lazycouch and dellamorte are maniacal in their devotion to RESIDENT EVIL. It makes me wonder what they'd do with their lives once RESIDENT EVIL's theatrical run is over. Let me guess - wait anxiously for the sequel?

[Lazycouch]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by max:
Colin to Lazycouch: Colin - Lazycouch needs to get a life, not just lighten up. Lazycouch and dellamorte are maniacal in their devotion to RESIDENT EVIL. It makes me wonder what they'd do with their lives once RESIDENT EVIL's theatrical run is over. Let me guess - wait anxiously for the sequel?


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Who's the guy with no life here? The average movie goer who knows how to have a good time, or the wannabe film critic who boycotts Hollywood and all other action films.

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[max]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Who's the guy with no life here? The average movie goer who knows how to have a good time, or the wannage film critic who boycotts Hollywood and all other action films.</font>

You're so full of shit, Lazycouch. I went to see SHOWTIME, an action/comedy. Prior to that, I saw COLLATERAL DAMAGE, BEHIND ENEMY LINES (more an action movie than a serious war movie), IMPOSTOR. And what exactly is a "wannage" critic?

[Lazycouch]

It was a typo. I meant "wannabe"

Let me guess, you hated Impostor, Behind Enemy Lines, and Collateral Damage? What for, so you could trash them on this site?

I'm confused as to why you'd boycott a great movie like Resident Evil, but you see crappy action flicks like Impostor, Behind Enemy Lines (which was okay) and Collateral Damage. What a hypocrite.

[max]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">It was a typo. I meant "wannabe"</font>

Whatever. I asked you earlier what you consider a wannabe critic. Is that any critic who disagrees with you?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Let me guess, you hated Impostor, Behind Enemy Lines, and Collateral Damage? What for, so you could trash them on this site?</font>

I thought COLLATERAL DAMAGE and IMPOSTOR were mediocre. I didn't hate them. And I had fun watching BEHIND ENEMY LINES, mostly because of Owen Wilson.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">
I'm confused as to why you'd boycott a great movie like Resident Evil, but you see crappy action flicks like Impostor, Behind Enemy Lines (which was okay) and Collateral Damage. What a hypocrite.</font>

First of all, have you seen IMPOSTORand COLLATERAL DAMAGE? Knowing you, you probably haven't. You tell people not to bash movies before seeing them, but you keep doing this yourself (re: ICE AGE discussion). Who's the hypocrite now? As far as RESIDENT EVIL being a "great" movie, that's your opinion, one that I can't say I regard highly. You keep telling people that critics suck. And yet you conveniently cite Joblo and Arrow just because they happen to like RESIDENT EVIL? I wonder if you'd feel the same way about them had they bashed it. Who's the hypocrite now? Lazycouch, you've become so predictable it's no longer amusing. It's downright pathetic.

[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
One of the main attractions to the RE universe is the characters and storyline,it's what seperates it from other videogame franchises.PA in his limited wisdom chose to ignore this fact,he insulted the fans intelligence,and attempted to reinvent RE in his own image.</font>

The movie followed the story perfectly. The story was the main part of the games, but everyone seems to forget that Resident Evil 2 had different characters then the first one. So characters were not that important. Some people keep thinking that the movie should just follow the first game. Even though the first game was not nearly as good as its sequels. Each sequel kept getting better and better. Now we have this movie that doesn’t just retell a story we already know, but helps the game to tell even more of the story.

Paul Anderson did a great job, and most fans of the game agree. I am a huge fan and own all the games. Paul Anderson brilliantly made this movie to be like the games, from top to bottom.

[JDog83]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
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How long were they in the hive,3 hours?I can't see everything going to hell in that amount of time,that was ludicrous.If this was supposed to happen sometime before the events in the first game,everything did'nt go to hell until almost six weeks later.In that time,there were murders in the forest,the STARS were suspended,accused of drug use and alcoholism,they're reputations were smeared by Umbrella in the ensuing coverup.The local police were on the take,politicians,the mayor.The STARS had to go into hiding,they became renegades.There was some suspense,mystery,the books led up to a climax with fleshed out characters.

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The ending where Mila wakes up and goes outside does not take place on the same day that she was in "the Hive". If you noticed, there was a newspaper headline that said "THE DEAD WALK!" featuring a picture cleary taken at night. Thus, we can assume that it was the next morning or even a few days after that.

[Archon15]

(due to some screwed up computer skills on my part, i accidentally made this a new topic!! please reply to this thread, and not the new topic i accidentally made!)

**Spoilers**
Well, if Anderson went along with the games/books at all, the outbreak of the virus into Racoon and the overtaking of the city was not Mabius's fault at all. In the games/books, Umbrella tries to steal the G-Virus from William birkin, who is working in one of their many underground labs. Birkin is injured in the scuffle, and to save himself, he injects the virus into his body. He then chases the Umbrella soldiers into the sewers and kicks their asses. As he does the, the virus is released into the sewer system, the mice carry it, and it gets into the city a bunch of different ways including (I think) by way of the water supply. The movie mentions that the virus can be transferred by liquid, air and bite/scratch, depending on it's environment. The result is Resident Evil 2 and 3. I'm pretty sure that the movie fit into the timeline RIGHT before Resident Evil 3 (3 actually starts 24 hrs before 2.)

It is concieveable that "Alice" was in the hospital for a long while. Remember in the beginning of the film, it said "24 hours before the incident at Racoon City." that means that the outbreak happened....then a few hours later (lets say 3 for the sake of argument) the team came in...then 3 hours after that they were out again. That gives her at least 18 hours in the hospital room before the incident even began. Its very possible she was in there for a few days at least- she was pretty drugged, her legs didn't even work at first- tons of needles in her... One of the things noted in the stories and games is that it did not take long for the city to fall- ESPECIALLY if most of the city's population were zombies. There were only a few safe places left a few days after the outbreak, and soon those fell as well. I realize I'm really analyzing this movie alot, but thats probably cuz i really like the whole Resident Evil storyline, and I don't think the movie had TOO many plot holes- granted, some of the split-ups of the group were unexplained, but not inexplicable. It's not like it is an impossible occurance that they were split up.

When Alice is outside at the end, in the middle of the overtaken city- it looks exactly like the beginning of RE3 where the cops are being attacked by the mob of zombies at night. I think that "Alice" arrives just after this (probably the next morning). Makes sense...to me, anyway. Also, the "dead walk" newspapers seem to be from the 1st games, talking about the "cannibal murders" Though they could have been more recent headlines regarding the take over of Racoon...anyone notice a date on them??

In the end I just thought it was really cool to see Racoon City taken over like that and to have "Alice" stuck in the middle of it. Definitely a sweet cliffhanger.

[Archon15]

Oh yeah and about the whole "not being tired running up and down all those floors" thing- it is a good point, but many times the film would cut to the characters sitting in a room (like when they were waiting right outside the laser room cuz they were trapped) so again, it's concieveable that:
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B) they lost the stuff close to the beginning, and was not carrying any heavy junk around since the beginning.

I don't remember them carying around so much stuff, either...just the computer hardware, which also could have been left in the laser control room (which was right outside the Red Queen's room). There I go over-analyzing again. Ohhhh well.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I agree the ending would have been classic if it had'nt been done almost 16 years ago in Demons by Lamberto Bava.Yes it was still great,but it had a stale feeling to it.Come to think of it,Kingdom of the Spiders had just about the same ending.At least take some chances,build tension instead of going for the cheap in your face tricks at every turn.

It is exciting,but it will not have staying power,it an intense 100 minute thrill ride that will be eclipse by the next mindless entertaining thrill ride,whatever that may be.


There is not that much that distinguishes this from any other of the recent mindless action pictures,except for the Resident Evil name that's attached to it,and the Zombies.Everybody and their Brother is doing CGI scenes with larger than life homicidal creatures,so the licker is just more of the same(The creature in Brotherhood of the Wolf was more menacing,and actually looked better too).The cerberuses were great,but they were'nt utilized enough.

This effort was so cynical,PA just coattailed on the franchise,he knew all he had to do was create some convoluted story,throw some zombies together(the best part,hands down),make a licker on some cheap personal computer,and have an out of place,but still cool scene with the cerberuses,and the fans would have seen it regardless.


I use the example of LOTR.PJ did'nt dare stray too far from the book,and look how amazing that film was.It did'nt matter that most of fans knew what was going to happen,it still worked to perfection.Four games,Six books,and Five years of a carefully crafted narrative,and PA decides he knows better,so he spits on the fans and attempts to alter the RE universe entirely.


I said it before,but it has to be emphasized,Romero should have made this film,PA just hacked to death all his work anyway.I was dying to see what GR would have done with a decent budget for once,it would have been unreal to see the Hunters(Ma73k's)hunting down the STARS in the Spencer mansion.The opening scene when they are outside the mansion and they get attacked by the dogs,watching them get cornered by zombies in close quarters.Watching the horror on their faces as they stumble upon their fallen comrades.What could have been,and what was squandered.


It's funny how some people say they did'nt want a re-creation of the game because then they would know what was going to happen,well the trailer gave away most of what happened anyway,so where was the surprise?


This material deserved,required,visionary,trailblazing treatment,and i said before PA is not that man/woman.There is so much going on with RE,so much to be explored,this effort could be considered cinematic crib notes.

I did feel like i was watching a videogame,but not RE.RE is about strategy,suspense,complex characters,a strong narrative,.This was just a screen adaptation of House of the Dead,a mindless shoot em up.I don't see that film being any different than RE.


Their is one saving grace,someone else will be directing the sequel.I hope it's Andreas Shnaas,Tom Savini,or whoever the guy is that directed Premutos.


I still can't get enough of the Zombie action.When the doors are re opened and you see a brief shadow and you hear the zombies moan,that is some great stuff.And the first appearance of the woman zombie,that was some truly menacing stuff,that i loved.


Did anyone notice,one of the zombie moans,or growls sounded like a sound effect from City of the Living Dead and Zombie by Fulci.Oh another one he hacked from Zombie 3 by Fulci.

Don't worry,i'll get over it,but whoever directs the sequel is critical,because it does have some serious potential,regardless of what i said before.

[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
I use the example of LOTR.PJ did'nt dare stray too far from the book,and look how amazing that film was.It did'nt matter that most of fans knew what was going to happen,it still worked to perfection.Four games,Six books,and Five years of a carefully crafted narrative,and PA decides he knows better,so he spits on the fans and attempts to alter the RE universe entirely.

I said it before,but it has to be emphasized,Romero should have made this film,PA just hacked to death all his work anyway.
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Paul Anderson did a great job adding a new untold story to Resident Evil. And have you read George Romero’s script for Resident Evil. It was based on the first game, and the script was not any good. Capcom, the creators of the game, did not even like Romero’s scipt and they did Anderson’s because Anderson did a better job. For some reason you think this movie was nothing like the game when almost every game fan and the creators of the game seem to disagree.

[Common Sense Man]

Lets talk Resident Evil,

Well first let me say I have never even seen one of the games, although I have heard of them, but that should not matter a movie should stand on it’s own.

Overall I found this movie to be what I expected a so-so action flick that really had no new ideas but a few good scares here and there.

My main issues where the plot holes that where glaring out at me and made the movie less enjoyable from the very start.

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The largest of these happens at the very beginning of the movie and it set the tone for me, letting me know that they where not really going to try and dot all the I’s and cross all the T’s but simply hope the hard core fans would overlook the shortcuts.

The big one:

All the ventilation systems are connected! WHA!

Even I, a laymen in the world of Bioengineering know that when you are making deadly viruses the lab that contains them has it’s own totally separate atmosphere unconnected to the other areas of the facility. Kindergarten logic here people!

We clearly see the dude steal the virus and break it in the same room he stole it from as he rushes out and slams the door, appearing to think that if he closes the door the virus will not get him, otherwise why close it at all.

But in the very next scene we see the virus going thru the air ducts and entering the offices, basically entering everywhere! Now that’s security.

Why even have a giant bio facility if there is no separation of the atmospheres between labs.

Okay you see my point, rookie mistake by the filmmakers and one that really made it hard for me to enjoy the rest of the flick.

Moving on.

What is up with the outfit they put Milla in? I just thought it looked dumb, is it a gown, short pants or a Star Trek go-go boot thingy.

http://www.upcomingmovies.com/residentevil1.jpg

Anyway.

I thought the movie progressed well from there until the point when the Umbrella Commandos enter the mansion and they all get ready to go into the Hive.

Blast Doors, remember that for later.

Milla and her hubby have no memories so even if they are kick ass commandos they can’t remember. So I thought it a little weird that they where included in all the early action, like searching the lunchroom, they didn’t even have weapons!

Why would you send a civilian milk-toast to search for hostiles, didn’t make sense.

And I always enjoy watching how they try and deal with computers and security. If Umbrella is supposed to be as big as they say it should have been impossible for anyone to get into the computer room, let alone the hive.

Why didn’t the Red Queen simply gas them all as she did all the other people if she really wanted to keep the Hive secure.

I know don’t bring up details like that as the movie would have only been 20 minutes long.

I must admit the lasers where cool but I wish they had left that out of the trailer, as you knew exactly what was going to happen.

I know all action movies have similar plot devices but this movie was giving me really strong Aliens vibes when they where in the lunchroom with all those big boxes of mystery.

Once they started shooting and it showed the bullets hitting the boxes I could hear the Lt. from Aliens saying “Apone we can’t have any firing down there I want you to collect magazines”

Sure enough they hit all the cooling towers… ah I mean boxes and we know they are in the shit then.

Now come the Zombies…

Why do all zombies walk with one shoulder higher than the other, are they trying to imitate Commander Ryker on Star Trek Next Gen?

And I thought most people where gassed, so they simply fell over and died, but almost all the zombies had major broken bones or torn off limbs, missing faces, etc. Everyone died at the start so there should not have been any zombies feeding on anyone as they where all zombies to start.

I know it looks cooler to have your falling apart zombie but hey it had only been what, a day! They should have all been in better shape.

So we have our first zombie encounter which is done well, very creepy and it shows us how hard zombies are to kill, which we all know about anyway.

But then we get to the next really big hole, the “Help I’m surrounded by zombies, edit me out of here!”

Now maybe I missed something but this is how I saw it.

Eventually the survivors end up back in the lunchroom. Then the zombie herd’s start coming at them from every direction, they run for the door and Walla! Another group of zombies are just outside and they start to attack.

So to sum up, zombies behind and in front, then “jump cut” and they are in another room all alone no zombies, not even zombies behind a door leering at them menacingly.

What’s up with that!

That seemed to happen several times thru ought the movie. They would be running from hundreds of zombies then the next scene be in a room as quiet as a church.

I know the place is big but hey there where supposed to be 500 people in there and if they are all hungry don’t you think they would follow the only food? Just a question.

The next thing that irked me was Milla’s special ability to kill undead with one punch.

Now you have to remember this was before they explained how you kill a zombie, and we had seen many hordes of them get blasted and keep on coming.

So when she punches the security guard once and he’s dead I was like Hey! He’s a zombie? The same with the sister, one blow and down for the zombie count.

Again with the dog, one kick and fidozombie is out for the night.

But they finally decide to tell you a blow to the head or severing the spinal cord will do them in. I guess Milla was just lucky in her punch placement.

The movie moves on.

Then we get to the inevitable point in all movies like this where someone gets bitten or scratched and even though they have not addressed it yet we all know they are doomed.

Have we ever seen a movie where someone gets infected and lives, no! They always turn on their friends and they are forced to kill them. Why not get it over with as soon as they are bitten, save us from all the later scenes where no one suspects she is going to turn and come after them, and they are all surprised when she does. That plot point is way beyond worn out, retire it please!

I was hoping for something new in that respect, oh well.

Now they have reactivated the Red Queen and they blackmail her with her own death so she will show them a way out.

Again! This is a super intelligent computer that’s main goal is containment of the virus. So why not just gas them all again after they turn you back on, or better yet where is the low yield nuke that will obliterate the entire complex.

Anyway the get her help. And what do you know right below probably the most advanced computer in the world is an old moldy sewer with water cascading from the ceiling.

You don’t have to be an IT genius to realize that is not a good environment for a computer. Unless it is running of methane.

More fighting ensues, the inevitable one man stands alone crap, ready to take his own life to prevent himself from becoming an evil zombie, seen it!

At least they pull it out at the last minute and he decides to grab his balls and make them work for it. Narrowly escaping from one oldest movie clichés.

Blast Doors, still remember? Okay moving on.

Now we get to the freaky mutated guy from the Box in the lunchroom.

Granted this movie looked really slick and they did not use much noticeable CGI but when you decide to showcase your CGI effects they should at least look half way decent.

The monster looked terrible! I don’t know what there budget was or who did the CGI but obviously they didn’t pay them enough or use the right effects house.

We all know that CGI is iffy when it comes to some things and living beings always look a bit off, but this was way off. The monster didn’t even look like he was in the same space, no weight, rubbery, and basically just too cartoony for the lack of a better word.

Look at Jurassic Park for a comparison, there is none, and that movie was years ago.

And I liked how the victims of the zombies and the monster suddenly healed before we saw them again.

I mean one dude is eaten by a sea of zombies, or so it appears. Then you see him later and he has a couple of bite marks on him and that’s it. Same with ole hubbykins.

He is attacked by the monster and gutted or so we think, but then when he is crawling towards Milla he only has a couple of cuts and some tears on his shirt!

So we get in the train and have to go thru the “I’m not going to turn, oops I lied you have to kill me now” crap.

And we watch as the monster with the amazing tongue of steel gets dragged by a speeding train but his tongue doesn’t rip or break until they close the doors, convenient.

Thru the whole movie they are under a time limit something big is going to happen when that clock reaches zero. The final countermeasure to ensure that the virus will never escape.

Blast Doors! Yes it is time for them now.

When they enter from the mansion they mention, open the Blast Doors. Then again they say that the Blast Doors will close when the time runs out.

Well what do you need Blast Doors for? To seal off an explosion that will clean out the entire area. Well that’s what I thought but I guess not.

The doors close and nothing, they just close. What a let down.

They originally cut there way in so why couldn’t they have cut there way out if the doors where closed.

Just did not make any sense to me.

Then I guess we are to assume while Milla is being probed and prodded the Umbrella dudes go back into the Hive and the zombies get out and RULE THE WORLD!

Or something like that.

Okay, now to one of RE stupidest scenes!

A scantily clad Milla ala 5th Element wakes up in a locked room, a room in what we can assume is another highly secure facility of some sort.

So what does she do she picks the lock with a needle! And it’s not like she opens the panel and shorts something out she puts it into the card reading slot! And with a little twitch a 5 million dollar security system is foiled by a little piece of steel.

I’m going to try that one at the atm next time I’m at the store and see if it gives me more money.

It would have been more believable to have to door be ajar.

That was just one example of how little mental effort they put to some aspects of this movie. I can come up with 5 different ideas on how to pick the lock in a more convincing way just sitting here as I type.

And the ending, predictable even for someone like me who did not know the game.

Was it a crap burger, no. Will it make money yes, will it makes shit loads of money, no.

Will the series live on, almost certainly.

Don’t get me wrong it was an enjoyable diversion I do not feel like I wasted my money but if they had tightened up the story a bit it could have been much better.

I give it a 6/10

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[dellamorte dellamore]

Spoiler Mania Spoiler Mania


Thank You,i've been trying to point out all the unforgivable plot holes and deficiencies with the script,and now someone finally agrees with me.

This was a cynical,lazy,uninspired effort,and this coming from someone who is obsesed with RE(Biohazard).It's just a pure brainless cash in of the RE name,an insult not only to the fans but the general filmgoing public.They decided to shoot for mediocrity and they failed,this is below mediocrity.


Point well taken about the ventilation system,but i'll take it one step further,how come with such an elaborate set up,there was'nt a sensor to detect the virus the moment it became airborne?The Red Queen did'nt engage lockdown mode until it got a visual on the broken vial,huh?What if it leaked in an area that could not be seen,the place would have never been secured.


I already mentioned how silly,and highly unlikely it was for a special forces detachment to bring Milla(Alice),and Mabius's character into the hive with them,there was no reason whatsoever for it.I would think that they would want her to remain outside to guard the complex,since that was her job anyway.The other guy was actually a rookie cop,what he was doing inside the mansion i don't know,maybe someone else does.


The CGI,there is no excuse for how terrible it looked,save for some scenes on the train,they looked pretty good.I just saw Starship Troopers again the other night,and i'm scratching my head.That film only cost slightly more to make than RE,but the FX are head and shoulders above the FX in RE.My other example was Brotherhood of the Wolf.That film costs even less to produce than RE,and the creature FX were far superior.Someone was overpaid,and the producers got ripped off bigtime.Shop around next time it pays off.They probably hired their friends and family,big mistake.


You said you never played the games or read the books,so you won't know how ludicrous the timeline was,and how they just magically warped 6 weeks,glossing over important elements leading up to the destruction of Racoon City.At least in one scene when Mabius is in the office his sister worked in,you can hear explosions and gunshots outside,and see lights flashing like mad.I should have saw that coming but i really did'nt think they were going to jump into it right away.Plus i thought it was contained.I thought the Nemesis spread it while Milla was being "probed"in the hospital,but the chaos had already begun while they were inside the hive.


They can explain that one easily,even though it's a copout.There are 2 more labs where UMbrella is doing research,under the RPD headquarters,and at the Spencer Mansion.I'll say it one more time if the contagion leaked from anyone of those facilities,and that was the cause for all hell breaking loose in RC,then,unless Alice was asleep for 6 weeks.the timeline is distorted.


And how come the Hospital was'nt torn apart?Did'nt any mutations attack that place too.I guess they were just concerned with the streets.


That red outfit was just an excuse for Milla to show off,and i'm not complaining,but it was out of place.


Yeah one kick killed that cerberus.They have enhanced strength,it would take much more than a spinkick to take one down for good.

I like the 2 shots taken from Fulci's Zombie.The one were Mabius is reunited with his sister,who happens to be a zombie now,and the other one where Rain runs into one of her zombiefied comrades.


Ah,i'm through complaining,there are tons of holes,but i'm just glad a new high profile zombie flick finally got made,but it still has'nt beat the simplicity,effectiveness,charismatic characters,suspense,and makeup fx of NOTLD 90 by Savini.And they did it without a pulse pounding soundtrack or CGI.Although i thought the music actually worked pretty good in RE,not too bad at all,if somewhat overdone.

Regardless,and i've said this before,depending on who directs the sequel,i think it has some serious potential.

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[Common Sense Man]

Ya I have no idea about the time-line of the game versus the movie.

But I got the impression from the movie that Milla was in stasis so to speak for a while in the above ground facility.

Long enough for them to go back to the Hive re-open it and let out all the zombies and monsters.

I still say the Red Queen should have nuked the place, maybe she had a Celeron processor.

And I agree the introduction of the brother was terrible, oh here is this guy lets take him along.

If they would have given him a flash back or two maybe that would have helped.

So here is a question for all you gamers out there.

I know this movie was basically a prequel or that is what I have heard and that when she is in the deserted city that is the start of one of the games, correct?

My question is have the zombies totally taken over the entire world or just that city. It seems a little far fetched for one woman to overcome a planet of living dead, even with her one-punch zombie killin power.

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[Congerking]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
Ya I have no idea about the time-line of the game versus the movie.

But I got the impression from the movie that Milla was in stasis so to speak for a while in the above ground facility.

Long enough for them to go back to the Hive re-open it and let out all the zombies and monsters.

I still say the Red Queen should have nuked the place, maybe she had a Celeron processor.

And I agree the introduction of the brother was terrible, oh here is this guy lets take him along.

If they would have given him a flash back or two maybe that would have helped.

So here is a question for all you gamers out there.

I know this movie was basically a prequel or that is what I have heard and that when she is in the deserted city that is the start of one of the games, correct?

My question is have the zombies totally taken over the entire world or just that city. It seems a little far fetched for one woman to overcome a planet of living dead, even with her one-punch zombie killin power.

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Resident Evil game. The characters in this

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[Professor Steve]

While Ebert gave the movie a bad review, his one funny comment was about the lasers:

"does this computer have a since of humor?"

It was entertaining, but in real life why not just shoot the criss-cross lasers ALL the time...

I still give it a 9/10, but I just forgave all the plot holes. While I did do a double take when one of the early zombies came out with half his face missing (how'd that happen?) the one that irked me the most was when the one guy went to his sister's desk and of course she had to be there. This could be explained by the zombies residual memory, but come on.

But then, after that, he and Milla seemed to just burst into the room with the other guys by the queen - it's like a scene was missing or something.

After all the "buzz" of this week I wonder if it will do better than Blade II, probably not...

[dellamorte dellamore]

Spoilers once again Spoilers

The reopening of the hive and the eventual spread of the virus would have been a logical conclusion as to what happened at the end,but as i pointed out,in the scene were mabius is in his sisters office on the 14th floor or wherever it was,shows flashing lights outside.You can also hear police and fire truck sirens.


I did'nt notice the first time i saw the film,but i clearly did the second time around.This leads me to believe the virus was already unleashed and the chaos had already ensued while they were still in the hive.


They can't say it escaped from the underground lab in the Spencer Mansion(a co-founder of Umbrella),because that facility was destroyed and the T-Virus wiped out along with the Tyrant and Hunters and all the other mutants that were in there.

It would make sense if PA said it was a prequel to Nemesis,but he said it was a prequel to the first game in the mansion.


What really annoys me is that they jumped right into the destruction of Racoon City,they did'nt lead into it,they did'nt show the police battling the zombies,they did'nt try to create some suspense with all the random murders in the woods,they did'nt show the Umbrella coverup,they just zipped right into 24 hours before part 3.

Allright i admit the games only showed the aftermath of the virus spill in the sewers,but the books lead up to it,there was so much more they could have did but he took the easy way out


If William Birkin(the creator of the T and G Virus)is'nt in the sequel,it's madness.Sherry Birkin,Claire Redfield,Leon Kennedy,Ada Wong,Jill Valentine,Carlos Oliveira,Chief Brian Irons,they all play a huge part in parts 2 and 3.


I'll just have to wait and see.

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[entitee]

I think this movie is BASED on the Resident Evil game series and like many movies (not all) based on novels the story is changed and adapted for the screen. When they made this film they didnt write it with the idea that there definitely will be sequels. The movie did end with a setup for a sequel but a sequel isn't necessary. So they basically took element from the whole game series and made them into the movie we have now. I would say that they are two completely different things and trying to fit elements from the movie into the story line of the games will only give you a headache.

The movie = simple fast action film
The game = slow puzzle-mystery with action

two different things.

[entitee]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
Spoilers once again Spoilers

The reopening of the hive and the eventual spread of the virus would have been a logical conclusion as to what happened at the end,but as i pointed out,in the scene were mabius is in his sisters office on the 14th floor or wherever it was,shows flashing lights outside.You can also hear police and fire truck sirens.

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what do you mean by flashing lights outside?
i don't remember this. where did they show flashing lights and sirens? on a television monitor?

--kev

[dellamorte dellamore]

Like i said i missed it the first time around,but if or when you see it again,pay attention to the scene when Mabius and Milla are in the office.Listen carefully though it's very subtle,and you will also see flashing lights coming from the streets below,what seems like explosions,police cruiser lights,fire truck lights,believe me it's there and i'm surprised noone else has seen it.I'm going to see it again tommorow,to totally make sure.

[Common Sense Man]

dell, dell,

There is a flaw in your observation about the outside environment when they are in the office.

I saw it to but here is what is really happening.

They are underground remember, they even mention it is easier to work underground if you have a view. A fake one.

I attributed the flashings lights to the failure of the fake background system.

You can clearly see the buildings are simply models when the lights are off, then they flicker back on and it looks semi normal.

The whole thing was in underground backdrop to make it look like you work above ground.

If you are going agian check it out, maybe the sirens and simply coming from inside the Hive.

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[Lazycouch]

Hey guys, head over to www.ew.com. (http://www.ew.com.) EW gave it a C+, but the readers gave it an A-

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Common Sense Man:
Here's a little timeline for you with the games and a bit of history in answer to your questions.
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(unknown time)
1st S.T.A.R.S. team goes to Raccoon City to check on mysterious deaths and strange figures seen. They all disappear and are never heard from again.

(1st game begins)
Second S.T.A.R.S. team heads into woods outside Raccoon City in search of their predecessors get butchered by an unknown enemy. They get pinned down inside an old Mansion that turns out to be built above a biogenics laboratory (top secret facility). This is also the 1st time Tyrant appears (a beast who can't die).
Main S.T.A.R.S. operatives are Jill Valentine, Chris Redfield, Albert Wesker, Barry Blake, and Rebecca Chambers.

(Unknown Time)
Finding out secrets about the S.T.A.R.S./Umbrella connection Jill Valentine heads to Paris to check on another facility she found out about.

(Resident Evil Code Veronica)
Claire Redfield (sister of Chris) arrives in Raccoon City and finds herself captured and on a prison island. This is the debut of Nemesis in the timeline.

(Resident Evil 2)
Claire Redfield (sister of Chris) comes to Raccoon City in search of her lost brother only to find herself in over her head as the T-Virus has spread and the dead walk in Raccoon City. Game opens with Claire alone in the streets of Raccoon City surrounded by crashed cars and flames everywhere and something moving in the dark. She finds help in a local law enforcement agent named Leon Kennedy as well as Amanda Birkin, Sherry Birkin and Ada Wong. This is the debut of the second Tyrant (an unstoppable Juggernaut).

(Resident Evil 3: Nemesis)
Jill Valentine returns to Raccoon City to find a new Tyrant beast on the loose (Nemesis). This storyline takes place at the exact same time as Resident Evil 2.

Also I should mention that the timeline is by storyline and not by actual game release dates.

As you can see it's a tight storyline. We still haven't seen games based on the 1st team, Jill's Paris adventure, or where Chris was during Jill's Paris trip.

I'd say the movie took place prior to the 1st game due to the super licker (seems like a failed experiment in the Tyrant/Nemesis Program) and the fact the virus hasn't spread through Raccoon City yet.

From what was said it seems the virus was contained within the perimeters of Raccoon City and hasn't spread through the world yet.

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Also someone mentioned disappearing scenes...easy enough to explain when it's been said that alot of scenes were cut to keep the films rating where it was. It's been said the dvd will be unrated so the scenes will return and all will probably be explained.



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[entitee]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
dell, dell,

There is a flaw in your observation about the outside environment when they are in the office.

I saw it to but here is what is really happening.

They are underground remember, they even mention it is easier to work underground if you have a view. A fake one.

I attributed the flashings lights to the failure of the fake background system.

You can clearly see the buildings are simply models when the lights are off, then they flicker back on and it looks semi normal.

The whole thing was in underground backdrop to make it look like you work above ground.

If you are going agian check it out, maybe the sirens and simply coming from inside the Hive.

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Yeah, I was wondering how the hell sirens and stuff could be seen/heard if they are deep underground.
I think that the sirens were just part of the simulated world. How uncommon is it to hear sirens in the big city?

--kev

[Moviefreek]

Just checked it out, i wanted to see just a little bit more zombie action, most think there was plenty, but not really enough to satisfy me. The acting was ok, they did the best they could with what they were delt, special effects were nice, i cant wait for the sequal, if its anything like the end of that movie looks, its gonna kick, thats the resident evil i want to see, the one which takes place in the city, i think it would be alot more fun. But the ending saved this movie for me, becouse up untill the last 15 minutes, i was getting kind of bored.

Resident Evil- 7/10

[bigred760]

I don't know what to make of this movie. It had a decent enough plot, characters, FX, etc. I guess it's just the whole video game thing. I will give Resident Evil credit though on how it did seem like it was a game going through several levels (of difficulty), and different monsters and such. The ending kind of caught me off guard - with the whole company/govt. (whatever) covering up the chaos and continuing on with the experiments and it ends up biting them in ass in the end.

Few things that bugged me: Milla Jovovich is hot and I love her movies where she's wearing some skimpy clothing (Fifth Element is a must see), but as far as her ass-kicking abilities - the movie leaves a more to be desired. Everytime she made some kind of kung-fu/martial arts/round kick/somersault/etc. it would cut to a shot of the poor sap getting it in the face. I don't like that style because it means that it's probably fake.
Another thing, the movie was predictable mostly as far as which of the "SWAT" team was going to die. Add who the villain was to that as well. I mean, come on, it can't be Milla.
The movie does have it's scary moments and I jumped when I was supposed to and stuff. I guess I should leave the video games and horror flicks to that genre fans.
6/10

[dellamorte dellamore]

I must be a braindead zombie,the entire time i thought the offices were above ground,and only the labs where all the research on the T-Virus was being conducted,was underground.I will have to see it again to be sure.


I can see why there are people that were disappointed with this film,it's one of those situations in which a high tolerance for cheese is required,and you have to be willing to overlook some inconsistencies in logic.plot,and narrative.


I loved it,it was exactly what i expected(save for the deletion of the STARS),and i thought,although there could have been more,the zombie action was amazing,it's the main reason i went to go see RE,besides being a huge,borderline obsessive,fan of the games and novels.


Ever since NOTLD 90,i've waited for the next great zombie film,and i've suffered through PJ's cartoon creations in Dead Alive(i still love that film),Michele Soavi's talking zombies in Dellamorte Dellamore(my favorite film for other reasons),Zombies that looked like they walked in from the set of a cheesy 70's B-movie in the film Premutos(great film),Zombies with the power to time travel in Versus,the comedic creations of Junk(that was still pretty good overall),the cheesy zombies that would'nt scare a 2 year old found in Todd Sheets Zombie Bloodbath trilogy,and the zombies who had human feelings in Bio Zombie(that was a good one too).I would mention Wild Zero,but that one,in addition to Bio Zombie were the best pure zombie films in the last 12 years.Wild Zero utilized CGI for almost all of there makeup fx,i would'nt be surprised if that's were PA got the idea to use it in RE.

Allright,the point is that RE is a throwback,if not a blatant ripoff(nothing wrong with that),of the no holds barred,in your face,unflinching classic zombie films of the late 70's early 80's.


They are truly menacing in RE,they had to be taken seriously,just vicious and unrelenting.


With regards to Milla,i said it awhile ago,she was perfect for the role,and she did'nt disappoint at all,if anything,she exceeded my expectations,but she still can't top Patricia Tallman from the Night remake.


The Code is:Veronica

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[Silverload]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
Allright,the point is that RE is a throwback,if not a blatant ripoff(nothing wrong with that),of the no holds barred,in your face,unflinching classic zombie films of the late 70's early 80's.</font>

You have to blame that on the video game. I always thought the video game was a rip off of classic zombie movies, that is why I loved it so much. http://www.joblo.com/ubb/biggrin.gif As a matter of fact everything that has to do with zombies is a rip off of Night of the Living dead. It really can’t be helped, there is not much else you can do with zombies. All zombie movies (and games) are all survival stories.

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[Archon15]

OK, I just read the post on the timeline, and i gotta say somethings about it.

**SPOILERS FOR ANYONE PLANNING TO PLAY THE GAMES (I'll try to keep it to a minimum though)**


FIRST of all- the first resident evil game takes place in July of 1998 (im 99% sure of this). There are 2 divisions of S.T.A.R.S.: Alpha and Bravo. Chris, Jill, Barry, Wesker, and few expendable others (Brad [who freaks out and leaves], Joseph...) are part of Alpha team. Bravo team headed into the woods outside Raccoon city first- their helicoptor crashed (or was destroyed for whatever reason) and the team was basically decimated. Rebecca Chambers is the only one who survived from that team. Alpha is sent in next. they are left by Brad, the pilot, and seek shelter in a mansion they stumble upon...unfortunately the mansion is the where all this began. (THE MOVIE TAKES PLACE BEFORE THIS, and stretches into RE2. I believe "Alice" was in the lab for a long time.) anyways they all meet up- realize Umbrella's secret, see the lab, the new virus (T-Virus) get betrayed by someone, see the Tyrant- who by the way...can be killed. 1 Rocket from the launcher is all it takes to destroy the beast before the remaining members of S.T.A.R.S. gets out before it all blows up thanks to Brad coming back just in time.

The next game (in the timeline) is RE 3:Nemesis. September..28th I believe. Chris and Barry have left Raccoon city in order to work at stopping Umbrella elsewhere...no one will believe them in Raccoon about the zombies and the lab, the police department is corrupt, everyone works for Umbrella. Jill is the only one left...well Jill and Brad but he doesn't last very long. There is an outbreak of the G-virus...somehow the entire city has been overrun with zombies. To top it all off, Umbrella has made something called Nemesis- which is hunting down S.T.A.R.S. members because they know way too much. It gets Brad, and Jill has a really hard time surviving it- while also surviving a evil Umbrella Agent who was supposed to be "cleaning up" the city, only to go crazy and kill almost everyone on his team. She teams up with Carlos- a member of the Umbrella squad whos oblivious to the true nature of the company. September 29th or so...Jill gets infected.

Cut to RE 2. Claire Redfield, sister of chris and Leon Kennedy arrive in the city to find it overrun. Together they discover labs underneath Raccoon, Umbrella spies, a girl with the only sample of the virus left, the girl's mutated father, psychotic mother, a really really evil Police chief, and a brand new tyrant. Umbrella had made many many tyrants. They dropped the newest model into the city and it gives claire and leon and co. a VERY difficult time. Again, Rocket launcher takes care of this biatch. They eventually escape, the secret lab destroyed behind them.

Cut back to RE 3. Sept. 30th. Carlos has gotten the cure for Jill and now she's ok...as ok as you can be with a GIGANTIC mutating thing after you. they decide they need to get out of the city- facing all new creatures including a gigantic worm- they finally reach an Umbrella lab (jeez there are a lot of these) They discover that the gov't knows about the outbreak and they plan to stop it...with a nuclear blast. Jill eventually conquers Nemesis (with a HUGE RAIL gun and a magnum) and is saved at the last minute by none other than Barry! he came back for her because he knew she was still in the city. The three escape- Raccoon is destroyed.

(Code Veronica)
Fast foward 3 months after raccoon is decimated. Claire has spent almost all of her time looking for her brother- chris has been missing since he left Raccoon- so has most of the remaining S.T.A.R.S. team. Claire realizes that Umbrella might know something- breaks into their Paris lab...and is captured. She's brought to a secret Island facility- where someone has unleashed the virus. She meets some survivors...she and one other team up to escape despite the crazy island owner(s??) trying to stop them. The Attacker is identified as someone from the Resident Evil past (not spoiling this one) and that person is out for blood- he wants the Umbrella company taken down and he wants their new virus...but not for good reasons. He's working for someone else. In any case- there's a new virus...the T-Veronica Virus, named for Umbrellas founder: Veronica Ashford. Claire faces an ALL NEW Tyrant (lucky her) and the mutated father of two very screwed up individuals who want Claire and her friend Steve dead. Claire and co. then escapes the island to and crash lands at an antartic base. the new tyrant follows, and this one won't die until it's knocked out of the back of a flying aircraft with explosives that blow up mid-plummet back to earth. Chris arrives just as claire leaves, eventually they meet up- those that survive escape. The antartic base- surprise surprise, destroyed.

And THAT brings up up to date in Resident Evil Mythology. I haven't been too too specific, there are tons of details and specifics on bad guys and motives and tons of great story- but i don't think i've missed anything too major, either. (im leaving out "survivor" because i heard it sucked, and i haven't played it.) Im going by the games mostly- but I've read the books and they follow the same pattern, with very few incontinuities. My advice if ur a fan of any of the games or books or the movie- play the games...they're great. 1 thing though, if you play code veronica...make sure it's Code Veronica X, it has tons of extra stuff on "the betrayer" and it's just a better more interesting game than regular code veronica. Phew, I'm done.
Lemme know if you notice anything i missed, though.

[Congerking]

thanx man, i have played them all but nemisis. thanx for the story update. i just can't wait for the 3 or 4 new ones for gamecube.

[tbey]

Archon:
A couple of new things to add to the timeline.

Resident Evil Zero which was originally slated for a N64 release is coming out exclusive to the Gamecube. The storyline takes placein Raccoon City immediately prior to the 1st game. The main characters are Rebecca Chambers and an escaped prisoner (accused of murder) on his way to transfer named Danny Cohen. Part of it actually takes place on a train.

Also Resident Evil 4 was announced as a PS2 release but may not be exclusive to the system. Resident Evil 4 will take place after all that we've seen and will include 2 yet unnamed new characters to the Resident Evil universe. The plot involves a new company named Biojet stepping in and picking where Umbrella left off. Umbrella is deceased.

Also there is a Gameboy advance title involving Barry Burton during RE2 in which he tries to rescue Leon Kennedy and a new character named Lucia from Umbrella.

In a weird note I also found pix of a lost character from the beta of Resident Evil 2. A blonde S.T.A.R.S. operative named Elza. Elza was replaced by Claire as a playable character.

Hope some of this helps.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Think you may have gotten the founder thing mixed up.The 2 founders of Umbrella were Edward Ashford(Alfred's Grandfather),and Oswald Spencer(hence the Spencer Mansion where the first one takes place).I think Veronica Ashford was some sort of brilliant scientist back in the day,way back in the day,but definitely not the founder.


Rebecca Chambers is a STARS medic for the doomed Bravo team from the first game.18 years old,highly intelligent,with a Bachelors degree in Chemistry(her specialty is Viruses,Viral Compounds,DNA mutations).She had a cameo in RE1,she aquired an antidote used for snake venom for C.Redfield and mixed a formula that weakened the giant plant.In the novels she also went on 2 other missions with other Stars members,John,David Trapp(exeter branch),Karen Driver,to destroy the Caliban Cove Maine facility and the second one was in Salt Lake city(that facility was also destroyed(Leon,Claire,Trapp,and John were on that mission).


She will be in the next installment in the series,RE 0(a Gamecube exclusive),and it will feature the events that preceded the events in the first game in the Spenser mansion.Supposedly it will overlap,just as RE3 and RE 2 did,in a timeline sense.It has too or else the game would end with Rebecca hiding out in a room until Redfield finds her.


That's sad that Umbrella is no more,just when you get attached to the hatred of an evil corporation,a virtual one of course,they decide to do a double reverse and go with another one.It would be like replacing Darth Vader or M Myers or F Krueger as the villian in those respective franchises.Umbrella in this example is the villian,not so much an individual,but the evil corp. that is conducting illegal and immoral DNA research.If what you say is true,i'm retiring from the RE universe,it's starting to lose steam,and i'm getting this stale feeling,with regards to the Vidgames that is.

Really what it comes down too,is that a director can manipulate a timeline any way he or she chooses,and it can always be explained away,even the games can get away with it,they can do there best Tarrantino imitation and noone would know,or they figure you either won't know or you can fill in the blanks.


Who knows if any of the characters from the games or novels will be utilized in any of the films,but i hope they are,it would be tough to totally disregard all of the key players,especially the creator of the T and G-Virus William Birkin.T-Veronica,the most potent strain of the virus was created by Alexia Ashford(Alfred's Twin sister).It started to become way too fantastical with regards to what type of capabilities T Veronica would endow people with,close to downright silly in my opinion.

In closing,i can forgive all my perceived discrepancies with regards to the timeline and the deletion of key characters,but what really hurts is that they did'nt bother to show all the chaos ensuing,they only showed the aftermath.Maybe they can find a way to do that in the sequel,i hope.Running through the streets looking for a way out of Racoon City,searching for your brother,or protecting a little girl from mutants is fun in the games but it could be boring in the film.I said could,i have no idea what's going to happen or what they are planning,just give me more zombie action please.

[Congerking]

i have 2 questions:

1) how did umbrella die, i mean what happened?

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2) how many novels are there is the series? i want to read them all.

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Congerking:
i have 2 questions:

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1) I think that its just a story rumor about how they might've "died."
2) heres the list
Resident Evil: the Umbrella Conspiracy (based on 1st game)
Resident Evil: Caliban Cove (an original story in the timeline)
Resident Evil: City of the Dead (based on the 2nd game)
Resident Evil: Underground (another original story based on the timeline)
Resident Evil: Nemisis (based on the 3rd game)
Resident Evil: Code Veronica (based on the "4th" game, but since not being on Playstation 1, they added the subtitle)
so its about 6 books so far

[Congerking]

thanks a lot, now i gotta go buy them http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

[dellamorte dellamore]

You can get the books on the cheap almost anywhere,i paid 4 duckets each for mine.I think the City of the Dead is the best one in the series(it's based on RE2(best game in the series) as someone pointed out),and it's the one that contains the most suspense,besides introducing Claire Redfield and Leon Kennedy.

I'm assuming you have already played the games,so in my opinion the most intriguing character in this novel is Ada Wong,a mercernary hired by some shady character,who has inside information on Umbrella,to retrieve a sample of the G-Virus.


It's compelling to see the contrast between the seasoned cold blooded mercernary and the freshed faced trusting rookie Leon Kennedy.Then you have 12 year old Sherry Birkin(William Birkin's daughter),being terrorized by MR X and the Licker.I love the mother daughter dynamic that develops between her and Claire Redfield,it's very touching,and extremely suspenseful.Heartbraking too,considering what happens to her parents.


That's what i love about the books,they're about characters,emotion,pain,loss,responsibility,intern al conflict,optimism,all of the characters are complex and conflicted,fleshed out.Especially the aforementioned.You don't get that in the film,and we probably won't in the succesive installments.Even though i feel Alice will develop further in the next one,i would consider her character 2 1/2 dimensional,more because of Milla's performance than the writing.

You'll definitely love the novels,and you will see why i was so annoyed that none of the characters or storyline was used in the film.


They better not get rid of Umbrella,or else like i said i'm through with the games and novels.I don't see how they could,they're ubiquitous in the marketplace,and they have strong political connections.It would be like microsoft being taken down.Then again look what happened with Enron.

[max]

dellamorte: <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Yes RE did beat the combo of Murphy and Deniro,i'm so giddy right now,you'll see it could just about hit the 100 million mark in about a month.</font>

Friday numbers:
1 Blade 2 $11.731
2 Ice Age $7.473
3 E.T. $4.704
4 Showtime $2.634
5 Resident Evil $2.503
6 We Were Soldiers $2.080
7 The Time Machine $1.543
8 Sorority Boys $1.418
9 A Beautiful Mind $1.104

Who's ahead now? $100 million in a month? Yeah right!

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by max:
dellamorte: Friday numbers:
1 Blade 2 $11.731
2 Ice Age $7.473
3 E.T. $4.704
4 Showtime $2.634
5 Resident Evil $2.503
6 We Were Soldiers $2.080
7 The Time Machine $1.543
8 Sorority Boys $1.418
9 A Beautiful Mind $1.104

Who's ahead now? $100 million in a month? Yeah right!

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I ain't surprised about RE's #s. it was a crowded Friday anyways. I'm surprised Blade 2 beat out ET and Ice Age

[Archon15]

About the founder thing- yeah, you're right, I'm pretty sure Veronica Ashford did not create umbrella, but she is obviously related to Edward Ashford. They explain it in code veronica (the T-Veronica virus is named for her) I think that she is Edwards Mother, so that would make her Alfred and Alexia's Great Grandmother.

Also, Rebecca- besides being the OTHER playable character in chris's mission (Chris is caught by the Giant Plant and Rebecca has to save him with the formula [V-Jolt?]) Rebecca also has her own story coming out in October for the Gamecube- Resident Evil Zero takes place BEFORE the first game of the series, and Rebecca is on a train, on the same train, an escaped Convict (whose name i could have sworn was BILLY Cohen) is also being transported. Details are EXTREMELY sketchy at this point, but there is an outbreak, and Rebecca must team up with billy to survive. That's all thats really known about RE zero.

Even less is known about RE4 (technically, it's RE5, but since CodeVeronica didn't have a number... you get the idea...
I've heard tons of rumors about it but NOTHING has been confirmed at all by Capcom. I believe that the rumor about Umbrella being taken down is pretty logical, however, because Whatever company the "traitor" in Code Veronica was working for, it wasn't umbrella. They attacked Umbrella's facility, and (In code veronica X-in a VERY sweet ending cutscene) they get a sample of the T-Veronica Virus. I've heard rumors the new company was called "biojet" but again, just rumors. RE4 is slated for release in 2003, so it will be a while before anything is known about it.

Also, Capcom is remaking RE1 for gamecube, which comes out in a month here in the states- whats great about this (besides the &lt;i&gt;incredible&lt;/i&gt; graphics)is the fact that it's going to have a bunch of new surprises in store for the RE1 cast. There are new monsters, new areas, and a lot of new info will be revealed. Can't wait.

I think that Umbrella being taken down by an even more sinister company would be a great plot twist- Umbrella was bad...very bad. This new company would have to be worse, and have half the world in it's pocket.

Also, The Sequel to the movie (tentatively titled "Resident Evil: Nemesis") has been greenlighted. The makers of the movie (paul anderson IS involved, whether he directs it yet is not known) are claiming that the movie will have characters from the 1st movie, and actual characters from the game.
Eric Mabius will be playing Nemesis (or so he claimed in an interview).
This second movie will make or break the series' film career. If the new game characters aren't done well- it's all over folks.

My hands hurt, but I think i got it all.

[ColinM]

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[Archon15]

Oops, guess I gotta Enable HTML, huh?

[Archon15]

Oh yeah- Capcom is brining all of the resident evils over to gamecube, but RE1 is the ONLY one with updated graphics. 2, 3, and Code Veronica will look basically the same as they do in the other versions. All the new ones (like RE0 and RE4) will look damn sweet with totally updated state of the art graphics (just like RE1 for gamecube).

[dellamorte dellamore]

LOL,that truly is pathetic,RE will be lucky to break 50 million at this pace.


Good for them,that's what happens when you try to recreate something that was just about perfect to begin with.I'm glad it's tanking,i figured it would with Blade 2 coming out(although that film looks horrendous),maybe they will take the fans seriously next time.I'm curious to see what it does in Japan,those are are true diehards of Biohazard,they should eat it up regardless,but i feel they will be let down by PA's re-imagining,there is alot to be said for familiararity.

Still thought it was great,an instant classic,but it they would have trusted the public's intelligence and honored the fans,they could have created something more effective.


Blade 2,please what a joke that film is,at least RE has subtext,B2 is just a metaphor for the despicable,loathsome,spoiled NYC rave culture,godawful stuff.I hated the first one(could'nt finish watching),and i wish this one was never made.

Let all the other cheesy offerings have their time in the spotlight and make some cheap suits and thespians some money,because when all is said and done,RE is going to be a film that becomes a cult classic and people will hold it dear to their heart 10,20,30 years from now.


Dawn of the Dead could'nt compete with the films that came out around the it was released,but it did'nt matter,it still eventually became a phenomena.I can's even think of other films that were released around that time(Except for anything Spielberg).Don't worry,RE will make it's money back,if not in the US(which it should),then Internationally.I'm glad it was number 2 to open,but a certain part of me is definitely glad it dropped hard the second week,just to stick it to Constantin films(they produced Dawn of Dead),and P Anderson.

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Also,the shadowy figure that sweeps across the screen in the observation control room is that of STARS Alpha team captain Albert Wesker.I say it's just a random zombie.


Also i like the name of the train(Alexi 5000),and the STARS logo on one the police cars.


Don't know what i was thinking,the remake of RE1 is going to be stunning,and so will RE0 and RE4.


I always thought the STARS attacked the Rockford facility,because at that point they still had connections with the other branches of STARS and couid have easily destroyed it.


The T_Veronica's abilities got a little silly,but you're right it is an exciting plot twist that there is another more powerful and sinister corporation out there who took them down for good(maybe).Microsoft anyone?

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[Scarface98.9]

Delamorte or however u spell it, have u even seen Blade 2? it kicks the ass of Blade 1 several times. but both are similar: plotwise, and are their to entertain. if u haven't seen Blade 2 (yet) then ur prejudging, which every1 did on RE. it goes to show trailers make good movies look crappy nowadays

[Common Sense Man]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:


Blade 2 coming out(although that film looks horrendous.</font>

Del, Del,

Blade 2 Rocks!

RE was a home movie compared to B2! It is not even in the same stratosphere.

RE wishes it could be B2's bitch.

You need to go see it as it will show you what RE should have been.

The producers of B2 spent some time and thought on the movie, they didn't just slap some crap together like the guys over at RE did.

I am not surprised it is doing so well, expect it to pick up as word of mouth gets out.

B2 8/10, RE 6/10 and that is being generous.

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[dellamorte dellamore]

Allright i can't should'nt be commenting on something i haven't seen,but when i get a choice between Zombies and Vampires,the braindead side of me takes over and i have to go with Zombies.


I'm not a fan of Vampire films,even if they do feature intense action.Maybe i'll check it out in the theater,but it looks like a rental.RE has more subtext,and you'll see,now that the franchise has been introduced,the next one should be more succesful at the box office,something Blade 2 has as a luxury.


There is just something about the incoherent fight scenes that gives me a migraine(from what i've seen in the trailer.But really they are just about the same film,lean,mean action films with a somewhat silly premise.

[Archon15]

I saw blade 2 and honestly, it was awesome. Fights were crazy and exciting, and I liked it alot. Plot-wise it may have been a little thin, but i didn't notice in the least. I dunno which is better, RE or Blade II, but it was definitely entertaining.

Also, I heard that thing about the hologram being Sherry Birkin, but it definitely isn't.
1) sherry has short hair.
2) she isn't english.

I dunno about it being Alexia,(who wasn't really "dead" just frozen so the virus wouldn't grow uncontrollably inside her) either. Though alexia had a somewhat english accent, and long hair in the pictures and movies of her as a child, so it's possible. Or it could just be the daughter of the developer- some unnamed girl, which is what i had originally thought anyways.

[dellamorte dellamore]

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2.They said it's the creator's daughter,the creator of the T/G Virus(William Birkin),or the creator of The Red Queen(Alred,Alexia's twin brother).


3.On the front of the train is the name Alexi 5000,another reason i think the Holo is Alexia.

What do you think about the shadowy figure?I still think it's a zombie,some people think it's Albert Wesker looking for the Anti Virus,remember some anti virus samples were being tested or studied at the Hospital(that was from Nemesis,Carlos Oliveira had to retrieve a sample for Jill Valentine,hey it could be Carlos).Or maybe it's the UBCS squad leader Nicholai,another character from Nemesis,who proceeded to murder all the planted Umbrella contacts in order to bribe Umbrella with their research reports.


Guess we'll have to wait for the sequel,the more i think about it,PA did do a great job leading into the sequel,it is pretty mysterious.

[Archon15]

I don't think that the shadowy figure is a zombie just because it moves too...deliberately. It doesn't have the awkward shuffle of a zombie, and it's standing upright and walking quickly. It definitely could be Nicholai (if PA is planning to go in that direction with the sequel) or some other umbrella bastard.

[NDS]

I agree that the hologram was based on Alexia rather then Sherri. I just finished Code Veronica and it is Alexia's family that founded Umbrella not Burkin's...but then again this is the movie not the game so who knows but that's my thought anyway. I loved this movie. As a fan of the games watching this movie just brought back all the fun that the games brought. As I was watching I saw all these characters come in and as they were first being introduced they almost appeared to be characters from the games. Such as the guy(um...Matt I think...forget really)who said he was transfered to Raccoon City almost appeared that he could have been Leon Kennedy but eventually the movie took him in a whole different direction so so much for that but it was still great even with all new characters. The ending was great. Visions of RE2 and if they make a new movie I can't wait for it. Will she be forced to go up against(uh...Matt) since he is mutating into Nemesis(RE3). Should be interesting. When I watched the trailers and saw that hologram I thought that was so stupid but the movie made up for it by giving a half decent explanation. I couldn't figure out why Umbrella would make the hologram a little girl but he modelled it after his grand daughter which seemed neat in the end. Well anyway I liked it entertained me from start to end.

[NDS]

I also liked the how the characters had to figure out little puzzles instaed of being able to directly go straight to the Red Queen. They had to enter codes and so on before they could move on to the next step...gave another essense of the games.

[NDS]

I was reading some of the posts here and some are upset that some of the game characters weren't in the movie. At first I was surprised at this but then again I thought why do they have to be. RE introduces new characters all the time. Maybe the movies could just be about a new character(Alice) and what she went through while the games were going on. I mean maybe while Leon, Claire, and the rest of the games cast were running around doing the things they did in the games Alice was just waking up and discovering the city for the first time in ruins. I mean Resident Evil 2 and 3 take place pretty close to the same time maybe the sequel to the movie could take place in another part of the city at the same time as these games. Anyway just a thought. By the way Anchron(sorry if I spelled that wrong I'm going by memory and I have a bad one at that)thanks for the update info. I've played all of the games(even Survivor, which is about an Umbrella employee that loses his memory after hitting his head and realizes the people around him fear him because he was apparantly an evil man that did bad things to the people there...I didn't finish it though I ran out of time and had to return it and didn't feel it was worth renting again) but like I said my memory is bad and it was good to refresh my memory of the timeline(you're timeline was a lot more accurate then the first person that gave it). As for the RE4 game I heard the protaganist was an Umbrella scientist but like most have said so far just a rumor. By the way I still have a question that I never discovered near the end of Resident Evil 2. Who was that person that threw Claire the rocket launcher to destroy tyrant. She was just a sillouette and she ran away. Was she ever explained or is she still a mystery. I figured maybe it was Jill but then RE3 came along and that no longer added up. So if anyone knows...please let me know. Thanks.

[dellamorte dellamore]

The person that threw Claire the rocket launcher was Sherry's mother(can't remember her name),she is also one of the scientists that were working on the T/G Virus when Umbrella raided the place in order to retrieve it.When Ada Wong(a mercernary hired by Trent)attempted to secure a sample of G virus,they struggled and Sherry's mother fell over a railing,I think she broke some bones,but with the help of some painkillers,managed to reach the train station and throw the rocket launcher to Claire,more to save her daughter than to help Claire.Sherry was also(unbeknownst to her)carrying a sample of the G Virus on a chain around her neck(i think it was in a locket meant to hold a picture).


I had reservations at first concerning the film regarding all these new characters and narrative,but i like it more and more now,it's starts to make more sense,and it was a good idea to go with an original story.


Also,i don't think Wesker was ever in the hospital in the games or books.There was a scientist,then Nicholai came to murder him,secure his research reports,and get a sample of the anti virus(he wanted to bribe Umbrella).Carlos came there too,he had to get a sample for Jill because she was infected by Nemesis.

There is trememndous potential for part 2,and i'm over insisting on the characters from the game,even though it would be nice.

[This message has been edited by dellamorte dellamore (edited 03-26-2002).]

[meccajay]

Forgive me but, Ive never played any of the games, and Ive only seen the movie so I have a couple questions...

Who or what is Tyrant, and who or what is Nemesis?? Please explain, I dont care about future spoilers.

[Archon15]

the person who threw the rocket launcher to both Claire and Leon in their B senarios in RE2 is most definitely, 100% Ada Wong. Besides the fact that it is obviously her voice who says "here...use this!" when she throws the rocket launcher, it is Ada because Ada didn't die, while Annete Birkin did. Depending on how you play the game, (I don't remember which the book used) Annete dies one of two ways:

1) She's about to kill leon when the ceiling of the hallway comes crashing down and a huge ass pipe gets her over the head. She doesn't die instantly, she lives long enough to shoot Ada off the catwalk. Then she dies.

2) She's yelling at claire, when she hears her husbands mutated growl...runs down the hall, where he drops from the ceiling. She tries to talk to him- but he isn't william anymore...His claws raise- she screams and...SLASH.
Her dying breaths (i believe) beg claire to help Sherry- and then she's dead...lying in a lake of her own blood.

Ada may have seemed to have died in both leon's senarios (ESPECIALLY LEON B...tyrant smashing her into a computer console...) but we know that she did not because one of the epilogues of RE3 tells us so. I am 100% positive that it was Ada, not Annete Birkin who threw the launcher...(I like the Leon B and Claire A combination.)
Think of it as a gift- she actually cared for Leon and couldnt just let him die.

[Archon15]

Annete's death is not featured in either characters B senarios because she is featured in both A senarios. Remember, A and B take place at the same time, so when Annete died in Claire A, she's dead in Leon B as well. And She couldn't have thrown claire the rocket launcher in Claire B because she was killed in Leon A.

Sorta confusing.

[Archon15]

OK, i'll try to explain this.

Tyrant was originally thought of as "the ultimate Bio-Weapon." Umbrella's greatest achievement. At least that's what they thought. The Spencer Mansion incident (RE1) was sort of a test of the T-virus, and more importantly...of the Tyrant. It's a huge creature- something like 8 feet tall, humanoid looking- usually greyish colored. Its trademark are its huge claws on one or both hands (depending on version). It is incredibly strong- and usually can only be destroyed by an great explosion (i.e. rocket launcher). Tyrant is featured in RE1, RE2 (where he is also known as Mr. X. Here he wore a black overcoat and had no claws...just incredible strength, and persued the characters until he was knocked into hot metal- where he was burned and mutated into the traditional tyrant- big and clawed. ) and RE:Code Veronica, where he was just a reinvention of the other tyrants. Umbrella did not just make one tyrants, but many...no one knows what the others were used for, although the corpse of one can be found in the last stages of RE3:Nemesis.

Which brings me to Nemesis.

[Archon15]

Nemesis is the Leather-clad beast that persues Jill in RE3:Nemesis for the ENTIRE freakin game. It was engineered by Umbrella to hunt down the surviving members of the S.T.A.R.S. team, presumably because they knew too much.
It does a decent job, too, at first. Getting Brad Vickers without much of a struggle. Nemesis is smart-but brainwashed so that all he says is "staaarrrrrrssss" over and over again. He carried a rocket launcher, which he has no trouble operating. He is a persistant stalker- chasing jill right up to the end. He is very very hard to kill, and in the game is only destroyed by a prototype RAIL gun (huge LASER BLASTER) Umbrella had in a warehouse. And now RE fans know- or at least can assume-that he was once "Matt" from the movie.

Did i miss anything anyone?

[Common Sense Man]

RE 11 day total 29 million.

Blade 2 "4" day total 35 million.

RE wishes it was as good as Blade 2, but that is only a dream.

Out......................

[dellamorte dellamore]

Oops,i thought it was Anette who threw the rocket launcher.How the heck did Ada Wong survive a fall like that,that's way too fantastical,even for me.Are you positive about that,i'm going to have to read the book again to be certain.

Who cares about Blade 2,the film is just another boring metaphor about the rave party subculture.You know the people that party all night and sleep all day,they're like vampires.I never liked the first one and this one looks even more ridiculous.At least RE is somewhat tangible,with the DNA manipulation and deadly viruses.Vampires,please,that's way too cheesy,and Snipes is just a poor man's action hero,boring.


I know what the better film is,and i could care less how many snapperheads go see B2,the movie is a joke,the fight scenes are incoherent,the premise is idiotic,and i'll take zombies over vampires any day,at least they have more personality.RE will make a profit,if not here,then internationally,that i'm sure of.

[Professor Steve]

You can't really compare the box office draws of Blade II and RE. Blade II is a sequel to a great movie and RE just has a video game player following.

Resident Evil was better than Blade II, but not Blade I. Blade I only made 17 million it's opening week...

[JDog83]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Common Sense Man:
RE 11 day total 29 million.

Blade 2 "4" day total 35 million.

RE wishes it was as good as Blade 2, but that is only a dream.

Out......................</font>


Resident Evil is doing pretty well. It's almost made up it's 40 million dollar budget and with video rentals and DVD sales, as well as overseas money, it's sure to make a good profit.

As for Blade II--doing well too but it cost a whole lot more then Resident Evil and has a lot more money to make before it's out of the red.

[Common Sense Man]

Well Blade 2 only cost 55 mill to make, and it will make that very quickly.

But the largest problem with RE was the lack of thought put into the plot, and I guess money cannot buy that as you would think 40 mill would be enough to plug the giant plot holes.

Out..............................

[Wiggleworm]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
Oops,i thought it was Anette who threw the rocket launcher.How the heck did Ada Wong survive a fall like that,that's way too fantastical,even for me.Are you positive about that,i'm going to have to read the book again to be certain.

Who cares about Blade 2,the film is just another boring metaphor about the rave party subculture.You know the people that party all night and sleep all day,they're like vampires.I never liked the first one and this one looks even more ridiculous.At least RE is somewhat tangible,with the DNA manipulation and deadly viruses.Vampires,please,that's way too cheesy,and Snipes is just a poor man's action hero,boring.


I know what the better film is,and i could care less how many snapperheads go see B2,the movie is a joke,the fight scenes are incoherent,the premise is idiotic,and i'll take zombies over vampires any day,at least they have more personality.RE will make a profit,if not here,then internationally,that i'm sure of.</font>

Ok, you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

Blade 2 is darker, has a hell of a lot more gore, and more action then Resident Evil. Also calling Wesley Snipes a poor man’s action hero is a cheap shot if not a bit racist. Everything you said you did not like about Blade is completely incorrect, it is obviously clear that you are just talking out your ass. Blade 2 is by far a superior movie compared to Resident Evil, superior in every aspect.

I really enjoyed both Blade 2 and Resident Evil. I liked Blade 2 more then I did Resident Evil and I thought Resident Evil was fantastic.

[BitchTits]

I adored both movies, I thought they were both magnificient fun.

But, I, like a lot of people, will have to recommend Blade 2 over RE.

Resident Evil: 7.5/10

Blade 2: 8/10

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
What do you think about the shadowy figure?I still think it's a zombie,some people think it's Albert Wesker looking for the Anti Virus,remember some anti virus samples were being tested or studied at the Hospital(that was from Nemesis,Carlos Oliveira had to retrieve a sample for Jill Valentine,hey it could be Carlos).Or maybe it's the UBCS squad leader Nicholai,another character from Nemesis,who proceeded to murder all the planted Umbrella contacts in order to bribe Umbrella with their research reports.


Guess we'll have to wait for the sequel,the more i think about it,PA did do a great job leading into the sequel,it is pretty mysterious.</font>
which shadowy figure are you talking about? its been awhile since I've seen the movie, but what part and figure are you talking about?

[Archon15]

Actually- Blade 2 DOES indeed involve DNA manipulation- im not going to spoil it for those who haven't seen it yet- but it's definitely a good time (in my opinion).

For all of you unintelligent (again, my opinon) people who are yelling "BLADE 2 is making SO MUCH MORE MONEY THAN RE!!! YEAAAAHHHH!!!!!" I think you need to realize-

Blade 2 had the benefit of BLADE 1 to help it. Sequels to decent movies will almost always make a ton of money at the box office- because EVERYONE who liked the first one, will flock to see the second one- this includes people who saw the first one in video stores and stuff like that (like me, for example.)

Also, Resident Evil had strikes against it from the begining: It's a movie about a videogame- which the public has always been wary about. People thought tomb raider was going to be awesome (i never saw it but i heard it sucked big time) and when it wasn't- it hurt the publics confidence in videogame movies. Also, RE does not have the huge fanbase a movie like that needs to be as sucessful as blade 2. I knew kids who knew nothing about the games, but refused to see the RE movie because it was based on videogames!!! Stupid reason, I know. (btw, those same people now want to see the movie after hearing from all over that it actually was decent!)

People didn't want to go to Resident Evil because they thought it was going to be very stupid-worse than tomb raider- and the so/so trailers didn't help anything (though the TV spots were pretty good).

My guess is this: If they make a sequel to Resident Evil, it will do much better, because all those who liked the movie in theaters, as well as those who liked it when it was released in theaters (I bet this movie does great when it is released to rent and own) will go see the second one. A sequel to a good movie (no matter how bad the sequel is) is almost insured to do well. It's a pretty basic fact about movies.

And RE doesn't wish to be anything... It's a damn movie, people.

[Congerking]

if anyone wants to read a full detailed version of the RESIDENT EVIL STORYLINE, go to this site. It took me 4 hours to read it all, it's that detailed.

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=37553

[cutman]

I've never played the Resident Evil games, and I've never read the Blade comics (or any comics for that madder), but I just wanted to say that I enjoyed both movies very much. In fact, I hope that they both flourish into exciting franchises.

That being said, Blade II was much cooler than Resident Evil. The blue lazer/grid scene in RE kicked ass, but Blade just had so many cooler action scenes.

I don't remember who said it earlier, but how in the hell could anyone prefer zombies over vampires? The zombies in Resident Evil were literally retarded, and anyone with a brain could take them out...easily. Vampires are pretty much bad ass...though the ones in Blade II seem like more of pussies than the ones in Blade I.

Finally, Wesley Snipes was a much cooler hero than Milla Jovaviavaviviavich ( whatever the hell her name is :-) )

Give me $14...I'll see both movies...give me $7, I'll see Blade 2.

Remember, this is coming from someone with no history of the stories...besides seeing Blade 1.

cutman

[Common Sense Man]

It does not matter whether the movie (RE) was based on a video game or not, it was not that good.

That is the only reason that it is not doing as well as Blade 2 or Ice Age for that matter.

I never even played RE but I wanted to see it becuase it looked like a cool ass movie and I was waiting for any good movie to grace the theater.

But when I went it had too many plot holes and the story was not the great, the effects where pitiful, yada, yada, yada, see my earlier post for the complete details.

I went in to Blade 2 thinking it would be good but not having any expectations and it kicked serious ass!

Blade 1 was good but that does not mean that a sequel will be good.

Blade 2 can stand on it's own without Blade 1.

Will I see RE2, most likely I will, but it they had better put some thought into this time of I will most likely not even think about the third one.

Out..........

[dellamorte dellamore]

(((((((Spoilers))))))))Archon(is that from the old C64 game?),that's what i said in an earlier post,Blade 2 had the luxury of previous exposure,it had a lead in.

There is still many people who have no idea what RE is,the games or the film,but in time with word of mouth and some advertising,it's popularity will increase and more people will get interested.


I don't totally agree that sequels always make more money(Lost World,JP 3,Scary Movie did'nt do as well as the originals of their respective series),but it helps when a franchise is already established,such as B2.I'm not saying it's the only reason b2 had a huge opening weekend,but it did'nt hurt that people were familiar with the first one,they like that,familiararity,especially when it costs around 8 duckets to go to the theater.The're less inclined to take a chance on something they know very little or nothing about.

Blade 2 dropped off big time,because the first weekend drew the fans of the first one,then it lost steam.


RE2 will definitely do better than the first,and besides the fact that more people will have an idea of what it's about,the story so far looks to be more exciting,plus the FX should be improved with a larger budget.I admit some shots of the licker were pretty cheesy,and not in a good way.I thought the Cerberuses were fine,but underutilized,they should be involved some more on the DVD.I had no problem with the Zombies,they were my favorite part of the film,besides MJ and the excellent set design.


What made the zombies a threat is that at first they did'nt know you had to destroy the cerebral cortex or sever the spine in order to put them down for good,and they were severely outnumbered in a confined space.In addition,they only had a certain amount of time to escape the Hive before they were locked in for good.Plus,and i'm going by the books here,all the mutations,including the Zombies possess enhanced strength,they may be slow,but they are extremely agressive and powerful,that's why Mabius had some difficulty with his sister,someone he probably doubled in weight.They don't feel pain,something that stops most people,they don't experience fear,and just one minute scratch will infect a person or animal.Marine and plant life are suseptible too,maybe that's why they say no one is immune,all living life can be infected by the virus and experience DNA mutation/degeneration.The zombies have to be taken seriously.


I'm a fan of zombie films,maybe that's why B2 does'nt do anything for me,i never liked them,except maybe for "Habit",a low budget independent by Larry Fessenden,it put a somewhat unique twist on the Vampire mythology.


And to the guy or lady who did'nt know her name it's Milla Natasha Jovovich(me uh yo vo vich).


It's time to hit the sack and dream about zombies.

later

[This message has been edited by dellamorte dellamore (edited 03-28-2002).]

[Mike]

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/columbia_pictures/resident_evil/milla_jovovich/evil2.jpg

I went into this movie expecting to give it at least an 8/10. I read the reviews and they described it as a "fun" movie with cool gore, hot chicks, and a booming soundtrack. I love movies like that so I couldn't wait to see it. I went last night expecting to love it but I must say I was really disappointed. The main problem I had with it was that it took forever to get interesting. It was ok but not much was going on, nothing to keep me glued to the screen and entertained anyway. At one point I actually thought "shit, I think there's a whole hour left yet." But once people started dying it got a little better. In fact, that's one thing I loved about the movie - the violence. It was so awesome. The first main killings that happen with those laser light things was absolutely awesome and very memorable. There's nothing like seeing a body get sliced by lasers in perfect pieces. Call me sick but I totally dug it. And then I also loved the cool looking zombies, they were so disgusting but so cool. But I must say the zombie dogs were my favorite, they absolutely kicked ass. They were scary looking and scary sounding. For me, the violence was definitely the highlight of the movie. I thought Milla Jovovich was really cool too. And Michelle Rodriguez was good at acting pissed, like usual.

Resident Evil definitely looks GREAT. It wasn't as much fun as I expected, but that's probably because my expectations were set too high. Once it gets going it's pretty good. Could have been better but still good. I plan on seeing it again on DVD, I might like it even more then. One thing that kept me from enjoying it is that these damn tall people had to sit right in front of me and there was nowhere else to sit. So I had to watch the movie with two huge heads in my way, NOT FUN!!!

I can't decide wether or not to give it a 6/10 or 7/10, so I'll give it a letter grade and decide between the 6/10 or 7/10 when I see it again on DVD.

Grade: B-

[Archon15]

Saying RE sucked is your opinion and you're definitely entitled to it. However- how good or bad a movie is does NOT always have to do with how well it does. I know some great movies that didn't do well at the box office, as well as some bad movies that did very well.

Tomb raider (never saw it but heard from about 100 people that it SUCKED)is an example of a bad movie doing well...BECAUSE OF HYPE.

What about Star Wars Episode 1? I personally thought it was decent, but a lot of people I know (who knew star wars better) HATED it. Phantom Menace did so well because it had the advantage of the first 3 Star Wars movies.

Like it or not, Hype has a LOT to do with how well a movie does...at least at first. RE was not hyped enough, in my opinion.

Ice Age? Hyped majorly. It's not a bad thing at all, I actually want to see Ice Age, but I'm just saying.

And Blade 2 was VERY sweet- I'm definitely not arguing that. But again, it seems to be the consensus around here (my town, anyway) that Blade wasn't as good as RE...everyone always adds "but the fight scenes were AWESOME." and that they were.

If nothing else, RE2 should at least LOOK better than the first, due to the bigger budget that they're going to get.

And Della's right, being a sequel to a decent movie does not always ensure a movie's box office take- but it certainly helps.

Don't get me wrong- I'm not blindly supporting RE. It had it's share of problems (a lot of the licker shots sucked...some were ok though, i can see the plot holes people talk about, but they don't seem too major to me.) I just was very entertained, and being an RE fan made it that much better for me. It is by no means movie of the year- but I had fun, and that what matters to me. I'm not as critical towards movies as a lot of people though- if it's entertaining, it's a good movie in my opinion.

[Indyjjjj]

THe only parts I really lked was some of the subtle music and when that first zombie was dragging that axe. Everything else was just monotonous and sooo mediocre.

[dellamorte dellamore]

The licker was definitely the weakest link in RE,especially when it emerges from the stasis holding tank for the first time,i thought i was watching some stop motion film from the late 60's.Did Harryhausen do that effect?


I originally thought there were serious plot holes,until i read some posts and saw the film for the second time,and although there still seems to be some,there are not as many as originally thought.


I don't know who thinks it took forever to get going,i was hooked from the screen gems logo,then that scene with the man handling the T-Virus,as the camera zooms in and you here that terrific music,it just does'nt let up from there,it is as pure an action film that's out there right now,maybe in a long while.Once it takes off,it never stops,excellent pacing on the director's part.


I liked the characters too,even though it's true,the situation they find themselves in are Alienesque,i can't deny that,but that's not a bad thing,this film can stand on it's own,it's not a blatant,lacksadaisical rip-off.


MJ was great(She was compassionate,headstrong,intelligent,and capable),Mabius was excellent(i thought he was going to be the standard heroic cliche but he worked well with MJ),MR was good(I know i said she was the weak link until i saw her again,and she really was effective,if a little too "tough",and the guy who played "One"was terrific(i wish they gave him more to do).


I know it's going to be huge in Japan,they love Zombie films over there,and this is going to blow them away.


Check out Ebay,some company is auctioning off actual props from the film.Screenworn Red Dress(MJ's),its up to 3000 already.The metal virus carrying case with 4 tubes of virus/antivirus and injection gun(6600,i tried to get that one,but its way too much now,and a screenworn Rain commando outfit.


Don't worry shmoes the DVD is going to be terrific,more character development,more gore,and maybe we can finally find out who that figure was in the hospital.


One last deal,i saw Demons 1 and 2 again the other night,and i can't help but think P Anderson was inspired by those 2 films.The way D1 ends and the way everyone is trapped in a high rise apartment complex in part 2,combine those 2 films and you get a precursor to Resident Evil.

[The Heart Collector]

Dear god people... it's a MOVIE. a MOVIE. Don't judge it while you have a checklist of the 30,000 elements from the game plotline that it must follow...

Quite frankly, the movie did the job for me. A hot chick in a red dress kicking zombie ass? Just what I need after Oscar season. 7/10

[MonkeyGoat]

It sucked. It was too much like 'The Last Man On Earth' and it sucked. 'The Last Man On Earth' was better for a lot of reasons, but the main one being, Vincent Price. I don't care how hot a chick is, Vincent Price was ten times a better actor than any of these new people. THis movie just didn't give me that 'it's a classic' feel. This is just another movie to me. But yeah, she was hot.

[dellamorte dellamore]

Just thought of someone that would have been amazing as Rain,and i can't believe i did'nt think of this sooner,Asia Argento.She is naturally tough(not MR's manufactured kind),She has been acting for quite some time(she was excellent in B Monkey),She looks terrific,She is athletic,She's charasmatic,and she has that rare enigmatic quality that seperates her from the majority of the other actresses out there.

I feel those reasons are probably why she was'nt chosen,they did'nt want anyone competing with Milla,she had to be the star,and they did'nt want to take a chance on someone stealling the spotlight.Kinda like when they put Tom Cruise in a film with a bunch of dumpy looking guys.


Check this out,maybe she can be in the sequel:


http://venus.spaceports.com/~argento/picture89.jpg

[JDog83]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
Just thought of someone that would have been amazing as Rain,and i can't believe i did'nt think of this sooner,Asia Argento.She is naturally tough(not MR's manufactured kind),She has been acting for quite some time(she was excellent in B Monkey),She looks terrific,She is athletic,She's charasmatic,and she has that rare enigmatic quality that seperates her from the majority of the other actresses out there.

I feel those reasons are probably why she was'nt chosen,they did'nt want anyone competing with Milla,she had to be the star,and they did'nt want to take a chance on someone stealling the spotlight.Kinda like when they put Tom Cruise in a film with a bunch of dumpy looking guys.


Check this out,maybe she can be in the sequel:


http://venus.spaceports.com/~argento/picture89.jpg </font>

You've gotta be kidding. Asia Argento has NO TALENT AT ALL.

[dellamorte dellamore]

And you think Michele Rodriquez was a better choice?She almost brought the whole film down with her poor man's Vasquez(Aliens)imitation(she is pretty damn hot though).


If you ever saw B Monkey,you'll see what i mean about her talent and charisma.I think she could have made an excellent "Rain",and plus she has the cinematic bloodline,considering she's Dario's wild child daughter.Nope,they had to go with the flavor of the moment,the "Star"of Girlfight,and Fast and Furious.


This film probably(the games too)would never have been made if it was'nt for D Argento.Him and Romero blazed the trail that Resident Evil now walks.


I think she would have been a natural,but like i said,there is a chance she would have been competing for the spotlight with MJ,and she would have been arguing with P Anderson on how things should be done.


If Ada Wong or a character similar to her is utilized in the sequel,my votes for Asia.


I love that tatoo by her navel:


http://venus.spaceports.com/~argento/Asia%2012.jpg

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[BitchTits]

Just checked out the Box Office results for the weekend, and RE is no longer in the top 10. Ouch.

Looks like there won't be a sequal.

[Scarface98.9]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BitchTits:
Just checked out the Box Office results for the weekend, and RE is no longer in the top 10. Ouch.

Looks like there won't be a sequal.</font>
that sux. but hey, maybe it'll pull a Mallrats or Fight Club and make mad money through DVD and video sales. plus, there's always worldwide grosses

[dellamorte dellamore]

Yeah you shmoes always forget about international gross.It just about broke even over here,and like i said i think it will clean up over seas,especially Japan,a place were they appreciate films like RE.Ah,nothing has changed,silly,tired,cliched thrillers like Panic Room,and so cute they are migraine inducing CGI fests are still the order of the day.

I'm glad RE did'nt do to well in the states,i feared the xombie movie would have went mainstream and took away it's underground edge.I'm happy to say that the subculture of zombie films is still intact,and has been revitalized.Only certain people can appreciate them,enjoy them,and realize the subtext that exists in even the cheesiest ones of the genre.


If it did become popular,somehow i would have felt something was wrong with it,so it's US gross will be just perfect.It's an instant classic that will outlast all these other more succesful recent offerings that are putting up big numbers.Ice Age,Panic Room,please,to paraphrase another shmoe,those and many others will be in the bargain bin in a couple of years,a film like RE will have a loyal cult following for some time to come.

[Archon15]

Never say never guys- the movie pretty much broke even here, there's still the international box office, and I bet it does pull a "fight club" and do very well in DVD sales.
I'm betting on a sequel.

[Common Sense Man]

Don't worry guys, piss poor domestic performance will not stop the sequels that are comming.

I just hope they do a better job next time around.

Out...........

[dellamorte dellamore]

To the guy or woman or whatever that thinks i'm talking out of my butt cheeks because Blade 2 in my opinion is horrendous claptrap,not based in any sort of reality whatsoever,just because i feel this way does'nt mean i don't have a clue as to what entertains me.If you like B2,i'm happy for you,but i feel RE was superior in every respect.Music,Plot,Set Design,Characters,Acting,Action,Suspense,Directing ,Tangible Threats(never felt like Snipes was ever in danger,he just strutted around wearing sunglasses,and his character was assinine to begin with anyway).


B2,and i don't care how much money it makes is a bore fest in almost every respect.It thinks it's being cool and clever,but it's really just annoying and silly,and not in a good way.Vampires just don't interest me,it's a tired and worn out genre,no amount of cheap tricks can hide that fact.I'll take a "Vampire" drama(Habit) over either Blade films any day.


Half man,half vampire,what a joke.And that makeup would'nt scare a two year old.I thought the film was unintentionally funny,throw it in the bargain bin,along with Panic Room,Time Machine,and Blowtime.


RE is the best pure horror/action/zombie film to come along in some time,the hive is a much more compelling,and claustrophobic setting than anything found in the Dull Blade 2.The laser room sequence was better than any set in Blade 2.


Now let's get working on the sequel:Nemesis.

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[Common Sense Man]

Whoa nelly! Dell Dell,

Did you morph into DTM! (and by the way where is he did he go into self imposed exile again?)

I know we all have our opinions but I have to disagree with your accesment of B2 vs RE.

I am not a big blade comic fan or a RE game player so I have no real bias in that respect.

But I was never bored during B2 as I was during RE and yes the laser sequence was good but that was only 2 minutes out of the entire movie, not enough to carry it all.

I know trying to convert you is pointless we shall simply have to agree to disagree but that is the beauty of this forum we all do not have to agree!

I am hoping that RE2 is better and I will go see it when it comes out. But I will be much more excited over B3, and you know they will make one.

But in the end B2 Rules and you know it!

Out...........................

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[Archon15]

Actually, They are already in the process of making a Blade 2. Right about now they're doing the script i think...

[Archon15]

Sorry!!! I mean BLADE 3!!!!!

[Congerking]

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore:
The person that threw Claire the rocket launcher was Sherry's mother(can't remember her name),she is also one of the scientists that were working on the T/G Virus when Umbrella raided the place in order to retrieve it.When Ada Wong(a mercernary hired by Trent)attempted to secure a sample of G virus,they struggled and Sherry's mother fell over a railing,I think she broke some bones,but with the help of some painkillers,managed to reach the train station and throw the rocket launcher to Claire,more to save her daughter than to help Claire.Sherry was also(unbeknownst to her)carrying a sample of the G Virus on a chain around her neck(i think it was in a locket meant to hold a picture).


I had reservations at first concerning the film regarding all these new characters and narrative,but i like it more and more now,it's starts to make more sense,and it was a good idea to go with an original story.


Also,i don't think Wesker was ever in the hospital in the games or books.There was a scientist,then Nicholai came to murder him,secure his research reports,and get a sample of the anti virus(he wanted to bribe Umbrella).Carlos came there too,he had to get a sample for Jill because she was infected by Nemesis.

There is trememndous potential for part 2,and i'm over insisting on the characters from the game,even though it would be nice.

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Sherry's Mother is annette, and I don't think that she threw the rocket launcher to claire.

I quote from this site
http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=37553

In Claire's final confrontations with Mr. X, she lures
him into the smelting pool by tossing Sherry's pendant with
the G-Virus over the side. On the trainpower platform, Claire
is aided in her battle against the mutated Mr. X by Ada.

[Archon15]

Yeah- we established that on page 4 i believe.

Also- here's some word on the sequel for anyone who's at all interested.

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this was in articles at Moviefans and Counting Down...


"We at AMI recently chated with Paul Anderson and he claimed that a new cast for Resident Evil 2 has been chosen. Milla Jovovich will return as "Alice", Gina Phillips from "Jeepers Creepers" will appear as "Claire", and Natasha Henstridge will appear as the S.T.A.R.S member "Jill Valentine". And of course "Nemesis" will be played by the handsome Eric Mabius. Paul Anderson also has some other male leads for the movie but is not sure if they will say yes to the script."
_____________________________________________

There you have it. This isn't just simply a rumor, it has been reported on by multiple websites. So what do u guys think? Personally, I can see Gina Phillips as Claire, she definitely has Claire's features. Same goes for Nastasha Henstridge. (both of these ladies are very attractive, too!!!) if this is the real cast I say "ok, now lets see what the story is."

I want to see what kind of story brings Alice, Claire, and Jill all together.

[Congerking]

yes yes, maybe they can all meet up in the city where there is a fire hydrant broken. and then they all get wet in those little t-shirts and have to dry eachother off. sorry, thats how i imagine it.

anyway, if claire and jill are going to be in the sequel could those male character that anderson is not sure about be Leon, Chris, Barry, Wesker???

anyone else think so?

[Archon15]

Anderson better not go overboard- one or two male characters from the games at the most!

Let's keep some sort of realism still intact in number 2, please!(as realistic as a zombie creating virus can be, anyways)

And he better know not to kill any of them off (can u imagine the fan reaction to that?)

[dellamorte dellamore]

That's terrific news,but i'm really just trying to absorb the impact of the first one,and Hendrige and the girl from Jeepers Creepers sound underwhelming as Claire and Jill.


I'm not going to complain though,because having the characters from the games in the sequel,even if it was only one,which it's not,is better than nothing.

I don't think juggling multiple characters will be that difficult,it would be great to see different storylines converge,if that's what he plans on doing.


You have to consider that part 2 will combine somewhat the storyline of part 2 and 3 of the series of vidgames,they overlap,so it makes sense that Claire and Jill will be characters in the second film.


I hope they also include Ada Wong,Michail,Leon Kennedy,Sherry Birkin,Carlos Oliveira,Albert Wesker,and the creator of the T/G virus William Birkin(according to the books).


This really has the potential to be amazing,i have no doubt it will eclipse the original.As far as mutations go,the sequel should have in addition to the Nemesis,Hunters,Giant Spiders,Cerebuses,MR X,and the zombies of course.


It's a tall order,a very ambitious one,but i feel he can pull it out.


With regards to the girl from Jeepers Creepers playing Claire,i would personally go with Jenna Malone from Donnie Darko,she would be perfect in that role.


Does anyone know about Barry Burton being in the uncut DVD?There is an auction on Ebay for a "screenworn" Barry shirt and vest.The shirt has a RPD STARS logo on one of the sleeves.I did'nt see any STARS members in the film,unless the shadow was,so i'm assuming they play a part in the DVD version.It's either that or the company auctioning the item is trying to scam out,but i doubt it because Constantin films hired them to manage the auction.


Oh yeah,does'nt some of the music in RE sound very similar to the music in Day of the Dead,and where the heck is The Frost,he was going bonkers over RE a little while back,now he's ghost.