Saw III

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by Renata936
I haven't seen it yet, can someone tell me. is it any good? too gory? is there even a good plot in this one? i loved the first, the second was bad. It reminded me of Hostel, random and disgusting ways for people to die.

Well, you'll probably get a different answer from everyone on this board. Some loved it, some hated it, some thought it was OK. I personally thought it was great, and a great way to possibly (fingers crossed, but not likely) end the series. If you have a weak stomach, than yes this is too gory. I am not bothered by gore very much, but I did at times feel a little woozy during some scenes. The plot is better than Saw II but not quite as good a plot as Saw. If you liked the first and hated the second, I can't tell you what you're going to think of this. It's quite different from both and at times has a completely different atmosphere. There are some random, discusting ways for people to die and if you are against that, than don't see this movie.

I'd say if you like either of the first two, either Saw or Saw II, I'd give this one a shot. I give this a 10/10 under horror standards and as a whole probably an 8 or 9.

[ChemicalRomance]

SAW III – Rating: 3/10

Watching Saw III, I couldn’t help but think one thing over and over again: some series run too long and some don’t run long enough. Chalk up Saw III as an offender of the former. The second sequel to the inventive and fun original continues a rapid downtrend in quality for a franchise that has long overstayed its welcome. Saw III picks up where the second left off, with the philosophical Jigsaw (Tobin Bell) and his new apprentice Amanda (Shawnee Smith) teaching lessons to those who ‘don’t appreciate the life they have been given.’ They pick up Lynn (Bahar Soomekhv), a doctor guilty of neglecting her husband, and force her into a game for her life. She’s rigged with a ‘bullet collar’ and told to keep the dying Jigsaw alive. If she doesn’t, the bullets pointed from the collar at her face go off and it’s game over for her. Somewhere else, a vengeful father named Jeff (Angus Macfadyen) wakes up in a wooden crate and is given instructions by Jigsaw via tape recorder. Jeff is told that he’s going to come across those guilty for the death of his son, who was killed years ago by a drunk driver. There’s an attempt at moral dilemma: does he seek his revenge or get over his grudges and go back to living a normal life? The answer? Who gives a crap.

In the original Saw, I found myself miraculously able to forgive embarrassing acting, lazy writing and some serious plot holes and just really enjoy a tricky little thriller. Saw III has all these qualities except being fun, tricky or thrilling, reducing itself into a story desperate for plot twists that are now meaningless and illogical. Saw III stumbles tremendously by offering explanation for events that happened in the two previous films. This isn’t really needed, especially considering director Darren Lynn Bousman is taking his cues from Saw fan message boards, fans desperate for answers to films that have already been made. I have no problem with tying up loose ends, but when it doesn’t add anything to the story of the film it becomes a complete distraction. Some of the flashbacks made the original film worse to me. They tamper with some events that I loved in the first film and turn them into something completely different. It’s wrongful enough to make a film so dependent on old events, but changing these events? Why do we need closure on what happened to Adam (Leigh Whannell) from the first film? Wasn’t what happened to him satisfying enough? Apparently not.

Acting and writing have never been the strong points of the Saw franchise but in Saw III they take a real dive. Tobin Bell, who used to be menacing and scary as the serial killer with a purpose, Jigsaw, is now a shadow of his former self. This could have to do with his character being chained to a hospital bed for the whole film, but his philosophies have grown old, tired and humorous. Jigsaw’s games were inspired and his devices were brutal originally, but his success in these games now has the audience taking part in a massive amount of suspension of disbelief. The end of this film becomes an unintentional joke, one where in order for a certain plan to succeed, everything had to go unbelievably perfectly. Not to mention that his victims now have such petty crimes to be tortured for. One poor victim apparently spends ‘too much time around the dead.’ She’s a homicide detective! Apparently Jigsaw does not understand the terms “making a living.” At one point I thought he was about to torture someone and cite the one time they didn’t flush a toilet in a public restroom.

Amanda who I think we all knew wasn’t much of Jigsaw apprentice at all, plays a tremendous cry baby. Worshipping Jigsaw (or as she calls him, John), even the slightest interaction between Lynn and Jigsaw sets her all off balance. She goes to the other room to slice her thighs as we are given another flashback, by this point making many people wonder whether they had paid to see the movie twice. We even get flashbacks of Jigsaw in his former life, before a brain tumor made him terminally ill, interacting with his wife amongst a bright sun and falling leaves. It doesn’t make him look more human, which I’m sure was the intent of putting these sequences in. And what about the revenge fueled Jeff? Wandering his fat and hairy self around an old warehouse, he comes across people that were involved in that fateful day for his son, for example: a woman who didn’t testify despite seeing the accident occur. All these people are hooked into Jigsaw’s traps and Jeff has to make the decision to forgive these people or let them die horribly. It doesn’t help that every time Jeff sits there and stares for about 45 seconds before making up his mind about what to do. Even the traps have gotten worse, including a campy attempt at death by shredded pigs. That one you have to see to believe. Here and there though, some traps are fun and cringe-worthy, namely a rib cage sequence that had me hoping the rest of the film would be as good. There’s even a makeshift brain surgery that succeeds in only being interesting to see a brain puff out like a marshmallow on a fire. Most of the time though, I found myself shifting positions in my seat and checking my watch.

Darren Lynn Bousman wasn’t worthy to direct Saw II and he certainly does not improve his case by his work in Saw III. The flashy directing is more apparent than ever: fast motion, white flashes and quick cuts are constant. Characters being trapped in life or death situations can be scary enough, I don’t need to be forced into feeling claustrophobic through flashing shades of white and tacky editing technique. At one point when Amanda opens an envelope, this editing is used. Okay, a guy ripping chains out of his body to survive, maybe this is reasonable. A girl opening an envelope? Not so much.

Maybe I’m just irritated. Saw was a film I anticipated long before it came out and despite feeling tremendous disappointment by its sequel I still had hopes there was redemption to be had in Saw III. I have to say that I have been proven completely wrong. Walking out I could see that somewhere out there those involved in the making of this film were out there counting my $9.25, laughing at my sorry soul for being suckered into paying for another manufactured sequel. Let this series die, now.

[Bourne101]

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Here is a part of the movie/twist that I loved.

Lynn and Chris are talking at the beginning and Lynn asks before she leaves "What do you want?" And Chris says "A divorce." It seemed kind of occourd and it seemed like Lynn didn't even care and she never said anything back. I was like WTF? And then we find out that Lynn and Jeff are husband and wife and it is just perfect. Chris meant that he wanted Lynn and Jeff to get a divorce.

This is great writing by Leigh Whannell.

[bob]

As stated before, I find that to be more like deliberately misleading dialogue.

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by bob
As stated before, I find that to be more like deliberately misleading dialogue.

Oh without a doubt. Pathetic.

[NightStalkerGtx]

Originally posted by Bourne101
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Here is a part of the movie/twist that I loved.

Lynn and Chris are talking at the beginning and Lynn asks before she leaves "What do you want?" And Chris says "A divorce." It seemed kind of occourd and it seemed like Lynn didn't even care and she never said anything back. I was like WTF? And then we find out that Lynn and Jeff are husband and wife and it is just perfect. Chris meant that he wanted Lynn and Jeff to get a divorce.

This is great writing by Leigh Whannell.


Yea it really takes a lot of talent to think of that and write it down.:o

[MisterTwister]

Loved it. I liked it more then 2, and almost as much as 1. If they wanted to end it here, I would be happy as hell. But Saw IV has already been announced and the ideas presented in the previous pages are interseting. I'll end up seeing it.

9/10

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MisterTwister
Loved it. I liked it more then 2, and almost as much as 1. If they wanted to end it here, I would be happy as hell. But Saw IV has already been announced and the ideas presented in the previous pages are interseting. I'll end up seeing it.

9/10





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I really don't see how they COULD continue. John is dead. His heart stopped and thus Lynn was killed. Amanda got a bullet in the throat and there's no one who could survive that. The only way it could happen is if there was a copy cat killer...and as we know from Friday the 13th part 5, copy cat killers suck balls. ;)









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[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
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I really don't see how they COULD continue. John is dead. His heart stopped and thus Lynn was killed. Amanda got a bullet in the throat and there's no one who could survive that. The only way it could happen is if there was a copy cat killer...and as we know from Friday the 13th part 5, copy cat killers suck balls. ;)









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People are already finding excuses to say John and Amanda will live and the ambulence John said could be there in 4 minutes will save them at the beginning of SAW IV.

That shouldn't happen, but it wouldn't surprise me.

[jaw2929]

I had read a reivew that the Arrow gave here on SAW 3, and he said something like "This movie owned me and made me it's bitch!"... And I've gotta agree, this movie was fucking PHENOMENAL!

It's basically a movie to explain how Amanda and Jigsaw have been working together to teach all the people in the previous movies a lesson.... And I fucking LOVED how it was linked to the first two movies... Rarely do we see sequels that look back, and play off of events that happened not only the movie BEFORE itself, but the movie before that one as well.... The continuity was fucking great, and something I felt has been lacking in a lotta sequels for movies in this and other genre's...

Shawnee Smith who plays Amanda was hot, Tobin Bell (John/Jigsaw) was creepier, and owned fucking everyone as expected... The gore was fucking great, and I felt it ADDED to a great story, and there were really some truly uncomfortable scenes to watch (especially after having a compound fracture of my leg when I was 13) so specific scenes were all that more brutal IMO....

The directing was gritty, the piecing together of all three movies to tie things altogether in order to make sense was fucking brilliant... One of the best horror movies I've ever seen, I love ALL three of these movies... Just see this one if ya haven't yet! :D

[ilovemovies]

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I HATED how they killed off Dina Meyer's character. I mean she was such an important part of the first two movies and they just kill her off like nothing. I HATED that!


Donnie Walhberg's scenes sucked too. And I don't know, but he seemed like a totally different character in this one. He just seemed to act out of character or something.

The flashy editing that has been a hallmark of this franchise is as annoying as it's ever been.

And finally, what really stopped me from loving this movie is the gore. I mean this is one ugly, gruesome and grizzly movie. Maybe that is some people's cup of tea but I don't like it when things are too gruesome. I mean, I did like The Hills Have Eyes remake and that was pretty gory. But that movie had far more suspenseful moments and REALLY put me on the edge of my seat. This one had me squirming but not in a suspenseful kind of way. Rather in a grossout kind of way. Like I said, it's not really my cup of tea.

Which is a shame because there is actually a lot to like about this movie. Jigsaw, for instance, is actually a pretty compelling character. He's not just your run in the mill psycho killer. He's actually pretty interesting and Tobin Bell is really great here. Amanda is also a pretty interesting character as well. There is a great twist to their story at the end.

It's too bad they botch up the story involving the revenge minded father. That could have actually made for something really great but the ending just kind of blew IMO. They blew it.

Overall, I am very mixed about this movie. There is some good stuff but because the movie is so bleak (and not in a good way) and ugly it's not a movie I ever care to see again. In the end, I was rather glad it was over.

[thedamnwolfman]

Great, just great. Now there is going to be a forth one. I get to look forward to another ruined Halloween. I'm so pissed off i am gunna watch Piranha 1 and 2 to remember what an entertaining horror series looks like. Oh and Street Trash too, i will just pretend its Piranha 3.

[fooknasty]

I didn't like this at all. What a complete waste. Man, this was bad.

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First off, the ending was complete bullshit. I said it. It was terrible. Halfway through the movie you expect Amanda to snap because she is getting jealous of the doctor taking care of Jigsaw, but then this fucking dousche bag just comes in and slips his throat. COME ON!!!

I was hoping Donnie Walbergs character to pop up somewhere and fuck someone up. Plus, they just killed off Dina Meyer's charcter in a matter of 5 fucking minutes. There was no consistancy, it just seemed so random and out of place. The whole movie did. I mean, Amanada was the onehelping Jigsaw all along, and then she goes psycho, was just so.....stupid.

The first movie was a gem, one of a kind. The second one had some major flaws, but it was still entertaining. This one just sucked hard.

4/10

[chinton]

For everyone saying a sequel just can't happen exactly how long have you been watching horror films. Remember Friday 13th: The Final Chapter which wasn't the final chapter. This series makes money they'll find a way.



Also I'm glad somebody got sick of the overstylized directing they used on everything. Seriously annoying.

[ZenDude]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
Great, just great. Now there is going to be a forth one. I get to look forward to another ruined Halloween. I'm so pissed off i am gunna watch Piranha 1 and 2 to remember what an entertaining horror series looks like. Oh and Street Trash too, i will just pretend its Piranha 3.

Can you possibly, by using logic, explain to me how any movie even a 4th or 12th SAW sequel can RUIN your halloween? :confused:

Seriously, the overreacting of stuff like this blows my mind. :p

[thedamnwolfman]

An advert for a saw movie is like seeing an ex girlfriend that broke your heart. It could be a sunny Saturday afternoon, you are on your way to you favorite coffee shop for a cup of joe. Then you see that lying bitch that broke your heart and stole your virginity. Your wonderful day is ruined. Saw raped me, and not in the good way. It promised love and only left me a shell of a man, minius ten bucks. I will never forgive that bitch. I have to put up with, " Hey, you like horror movies, wanna see Saw 4 with me?" Then i have to explain why Saw is not a horror movie, Slipknot is not metal, and the circle remains unbroken and i can't focus on eating candy and carving pumpkins. I am then forced to crawl into a bottle of Jim Beam and sleep there till Christmas. Thats my problem.

[Seph]

I think a Saw IV would be interesting just to see how much further into absurdity the series can descend. Or see if they actually bring in a writer who can restore a semblance of logic to Saw's "realistic" setting.

[Dom Shady]

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Originally posted by chinton
Sorry but I still don't but Dina's death. If Jigsaw was really killing her becuase shes an adultress then he probably should have said that. Instead he gave an incredibly lame speech about how she's with death all the time. Hmmm maybe its because SHES A FREAKING HOMICIDE DETECTIVE.

That's the point. Amanda was using Jigsaw's concept of the game not as he intended it to. She clearly didn't get that he was giving these people an option to live or die and just used it to murder people in creative ways because she's a psycho. As for the detective, obviously she was working the Jigsaw case and maybe Amanda thought she was getting in the way, hence she eliminated her by putting her in a trap(probably because she finds it fun by now) and the whole speech about how Dina is with death all the time was just a half-assed excuse to kill her. As you can see by the end, Jigsaw wasn't too happy that Amanda was abusing his concept.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
An advert for a saw movie is like seeing an ex girlfriend that broke your heart. It could be a sunny Saturday afternoon, you are on your way to you favorite coffee shop for a cup of joe. Then you see that lying bitch that broke your heart and stole your virginity. Your wonderful day is ruined. Saw raped me, and not in the good way. It promised love and only left me a shell of a man, minius ten bucks. I will never forgive that bitch. I have to put up with, " Hey, you like horror movies, wanna see Saw 4 with me?" Then i have to explain why Saw is not a horror movie, Slipknot is not metal, and the circle remains unbroken and i can't focus on eating candy and carving pumpkins. I am then forced to crawl into a bottle of Jim Beam and sleep there till Christmas. Thats my problem.
*sigh*
Saw is horror, Slipknot is metal. Just cos something is mainstream does not take it out of it's goddamn genre.

Anyway, with that off my chest, I have nothing I can really add to this thread's reviews other than to say, there seems to a trend with how I like each subsequent Saw movie:
Saw = 9/10
Saw II = 7/10
Saw III = 5/10

[HHH123007]

I'll just come in here and say that, although I haven't seen 3 yet(on Wednesday, I hope to), the Saw series is mediocre at best. It thinks it's a lot more clever than it actually is. This is coming from someone who liked the second one too.

Saw - **
Saw II - ***
Saw III - ?, probably a **

I can't imagine that they have enough substance to fill at least 90 minutes worth of my time.

[thedamnwolfman]

ahhhhh!

it has nothing to do with mainstream/underground there are pretenders and lagitimates in both. SAW is a farce and Slipknot is a fashion statement. If that doesn't make sense to you there is nothing that i am going to say that will make you understand. Dispite what Donnie Osmond says, he is no parts rock and roll.

[Seph]

"Farce" or not, I have to agree that it's still horror. Bad horror, sure, but quality doesn't take it out of genre any more than "mainstream" or "underground" status...

[thedamnwolfman]

yes it is.

But it very much is not.

It is a black mark on horror, and should be stricken from the records much like Boa Vs Python will be. It deserves none of our notice nor does it deserve our esteem. it is a shit ball to be flush, though i know it will never happen. enough people have been fooled. hope is lost. I'll start passing out the nikes and you get the kool-aid.

[Shockwave]

I really dont mind the SAW movies. Overall they have worked for me more then they havent, but to be honest SHAWN OF THE DEAD scared me more then any of them.:)

The reason i like SAW 2 the best is because i felt like the main character was the most likable in that one, so i cared more about what happend to him.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by Shockwave
The reason i like SAW 2 the best is because i felt like the main character was the most likable in that one, so i cared more about what happend to him. Right! Detective Matthews might be as dimensional as one fold of toilet paper but he's a great character. Why? Because he beat the shit out of Jig "I just won't shut my fucking foodhole" Saw at one point. That was so incredibly awesome.

[ZenDude]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
An advert for a saw movie is like seeing an ex girlfriend that broke your heart. It could be a sunny Saturday afternoon, you are on your way to you favorite coffee shop for a cup of joe. Then you see that lying bitch that broke your heart and stole your virginity. Your wonderful day is ruined. Saw raped me, and not in the good way. It promised love and only left me a shell of a man, minius ten bucks. I will never forgive that bitch. I have to put up with, " Hey, you like horror movies, wanna see Saw 4 with me?" Then i have to explain why Saw is not a horror movie, Slipknot is not metal, and the circle remains unbroken and i can't focus on eating candy and carving pumpkins. I am then forced to crawl into a bottle of Jim Beam and sleep there till Christmas. Thats my problem.

No, and advert for a Saw movie is not like seeing someone who broke your heart. Try again. :D

[JCPhoenix]

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Originally posted by Dom Shady
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That's the point. Amanda was using Jigsaw's concept of the game not as he intended it to. She clearly didn't get that he was giving these people an option to live or die and just used it to murder people in creative ways because she's a psycho. As for the detective, obviously she was working the Jigsaw case and maybe Amanda thought she was getting in the way, hence she eliminated her by putting her in a trap(probably because she finds it fun by now) and the whole speech about how Dina is with death all the time was just a half-assed excuse to kill her. As you can see by the end, Jigsaw wasn't too happy that Amanda was abusing his concept.

That's how I saw it originally but I don't believe this is the case - I think Jigsaw told Amanda who to target still (including Dina Meyer's character) and Amanda just made it so there was no way to get out of the traps (ie: no way out of the room that the guy was chained in, the key that didn't work)...especially because the voice of the Jigsaw character in the videos all the characters saw seemed like John's voice to me. And therefore he would've had to know about and helped her at least set things up.

Also, I got the impression that she was supposed to have just begun tinkering with other people and changing the traps slightly to make them unwinnable. I just don't see her going out and setting up all her own traps and everything so early on when she still attempts to follow Jigsaw's orders. (And it would link up more again with the main storyline where Jigsaw ordered the doctor to be held and Amanda just wanted to make her trap unwinnable again)

And because of that, it's still a problem with Jigsaw's philosophy rather than something to do with crazy Amanda.

Either way this movie sucks.

[Avner]

It was shit. But what isn't nowadays from Hollywood.

[Strider]

Saw III - 6/10 or ***/****** stars

Tobin Bell (who has a chilling, memorable voice, which is something I failed to mention in my reviews for the previous Saw films) and Shawnee Smith as the Jigsaw killer and his attractive apprentice are part of the reason why Saw III, the latest entry in the successful horror series, is far superior than last year's Saw II, an awful carbon copy of the original. Another reason is the story, again written by Leigh Whannell and James Wan, which is somewhat intriguing, and features a couple of cool twists and turns by the film's end. Saw III does not exactly leave the door wide open for future installments, so I have no clue how that will work out, but I am certain Lionsgate will find a way, seeing as the franchise continues to rake in the dollars.

Strider

[Raul Duke]

Knew they had his daughter, knew they were husband and wife, i didnt think the twists were all that special. Movie was ok though, they're all 6-7/10 for me, fun movies, F-ed up movies, but fun nonethelss.

I know they are makin another, which im very interested in, b/c without Jigsaw they'd need to do a lot to make it not suck

[Shockwave]

I know they are makin another, which im very interested in, b/c without Jigsaw they'd need to do a lot to make it not suck

I hope they kinda do soemthing completely new and turn the series on its head.

I want to know what was in the envelope Amanda opend and who the fuck the girl was Jigsaw kept dreaming about.:confused:

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Shockwave


I want to know what was in the envelope Amanda opend and who the fuck the girl was Jigsaw kept dreaming about.:confused:

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I'm guessing it was his wife. Remember, he gets into a delerious state and tells Lynn that he loves her...which Amanda completely misunderstands.







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[jolanar]

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I really don't see what all the fuss is about. If I had to single out the biggest problem of the film for me, it was that there was *too much* gore. It made the movie unwatchable at a lot of points. Second biggest problem was the complete failing of Jigsaw's philosophy. How does he justify murdering a little girl? What does that prove?

I don't really have any problems with Jigsaw's traps. I didn't really mind the pig trap. Jeff's indecision got annoying by the third trap. Also... what was the point of him saving the people if he was able to continue anyways? He failed to save 2 of the people, yet he was allowed to continue each time? I was glad that Jigsaw was testing Amanda, as she was my least favorite character. Her lines were generally cheesy, and she really doesn't pull off a tough girl that well at all.

Saw 3: 4/10.

[Shockwave]

I really don't see what all the fuss is about. If I had to single out the biggest problem of the film for me, it was that there was *too much* gore.

I felt this way as well. I LOVE gore in movies, but it can take away from a movie if lingerd on for too long.

[ilovemovies]

There is definately too much gore. The movie reminds me of the Hellraiser movies in that, they are so gory that it actually does take a way from the movie. It's less about scaring and more about grossing you out and that is not my cup of tea.

However, the gore is far from the movie's only problem.



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I thought the whole story involving the father who wanted revenge of the guy who killed his son and the whole theme of forgiveness had real potential but they often botched. The execution left something to be desired. The actor playing the father was okay, I guess. But it was annoying how he often would stand around contemplating whether he should help or not. The only time where it worked was with the judge and I actually felt sorry for him having to burn his kid's things. That was very cruel of Jigsaw, but then of coarse he is a very cruel person.

And, I don't know. I guess because so much of the movie is so dour and depressing it would have been nice if the movie a semblence of a happy ending and the guy not kill Jigsaw at the end.

Also, the flashy editing that has always been a part of the series got really annoying as well.


All of this helps make this weakest of the three Saw movies IMO.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
There is definately too much gore. The movie reminds me of the Hellraiser movies in that, they are so gory that it actually does take a way from the movie. It's less about scaring and more about grossing you out and that is not my cup of tea.

However, the gore is far from the movie's only problem.

If we're going by the original Hellraiser, I'd have to disagree, as (with the book as well) the gore is part of the story. It's supposed to be disgusting and such. I never found Hellraiser scary (a few jumps aside), but it was disturbing and difficult to swallow. The sequels could've used some toning down, but I believe the first one is just right.
But as for Saw III, I do agree that unlike the first two, the gore is quite distracting. It actually makes me miss the quick and inventive, with just the right amount of violence kills of the Friday the 13th movies. It actually reminded me of my two least favorite movies of the year, Hostel and The Hills Have Eyes, in that in the end it just seems like an excuse to torture people, but here, they try to justify it, and take it one step further into pervisity.
And yes, the story was very weak for the most part. I enjoyed the ties to the others for the most part, but when they tried to be really clever, it just made me want to gag. I mean, I enjoyed The Departed's out-of-nowhere "clever" ending more than half of the "clever" bits in this movie. I really should've just went to see The Prestige again.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by jolanar
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I really don't see what all the fuss is about. If I had to single out the biggest problem of the film for me, it was that there was *too much* gore. It made the movie unwatchable at a lot of points. Second biggest problem was the complete failing of Jigsaw's philosophy. How does he justify murdering a little girl? What does that prove?

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It isn't about justifying his phiosophy. The message isn't meant for the characters within the film, it's meant for the audience watching it. The characters merely enable it. The message in this case is that your weaknesses can harm not only you, but everyone around you. Jeff's hurt his wife and his child, and Amanda's hurt John because there's noone to carry on his work now.

As for the violence, these movies aren't really meant for scares. Their blends of morality tales and exploitation. They're meant to disturb, to push the envelope. When they say "Rated R for strong, grisly violence and gore" they aren't kidding. If that's not your cup of tea that's fine, but anyone that feels it's "too much" shouldn't bother movies like this. Carrying on about how disgusting and extreme the violence was only serves to unintentionally compliment the filmmakers.

Amanda was absolutely phenominal. Shawnee manages to play the character 3 completely different ways, evolving through each film. In SAW III she goes from sadistic with a twisted sense of humor, to vulnerable and sympathetic. Shawnee, Tobin and MacFayden all deliver top notch performances.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

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Originally posted by chinton
Sorry but I still don't but Dina's death. If Jigsaw was really killing her becuase shes an adultress then he probably should have said that. Instead he gave an incredibly lame speech about how she's with death all the time. Hmmm maybe its because SHES A FREAKING HOMICIDE DETECTIVE.


That wasn't even Jigsaw's game, it was Amanda's; and she explained the significance of why she CHOSE to be around the dead all the time, because she was so emotionally detached that she was incapable of making a connection to the living.
I find the criticisms of alot of the SAW haters as amusing as they claim they films are.

[Shockwave]

I thought that was a pretty pathetic reason to kill her (, but i also thought that was the point) Amanda was no Jigsaw. She never any intention of letting the detective go, thats why Amanda revealed herself to her right before the end. It was personal.

find the criticisms of alot of the SAW haters as amusing as they claim they films are.

I like these films as mindless gore-stuff, but i really could pick them apart if i wanted.

I found part 1 to be very over-rated after all the hype laid on it, but part 2 was a pleasent surprise for me and made the first one better.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
I find the criticisms of alot of the SAW haters as amusing as they claim they films are.

Not nearly as amusing as the notion that these movies are somehow profound and deep. Now that is funny.

[LedZeppelin1114]

I also had reservations about the first film, but I really enjoyed the second film immensely, and third one, and after going back and watching the first one again, I enjoyed it much more. My one complaint was that the death of the detective seemed like a throwaway death in many ways (granted, the way she went was cool).

[Tuukka]

I think the debate about the gore and substance in Saw movies is kinda pointless.

I haven't seen the 3rd movie yet, but I enjoyed Saw (8/10) and Saw 2 (7/10). They are exploitation movies. The story and "substance" they have is not really meant to be taken seriously, it's just there to glue the set pieces together. They are not really scary per se, but they are tense at times and have good, fun set pieces.

Are they torture porn? Yeah, part 2 more so than part 1. And apparently part 3 goes even more to that direction. But that's pretty much the point. Saying that a movie like this has too much gore and too little substance is like saying that a porn movie has too much sex and not enough substance. Of course, complaining about story, characters, writing, acting, etc, is perfectly valid, particularly if you feel that it's a let down compared to the previous two.

But going to see a porn movie and the complaining about it being porn is kinda pointless.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Not nearly as amusing as the notion that these movies are somehow profound and deep. Now that is funny.

Much more so actually, since that's not so much amusing as just true, amusing would be more along the lines of complaining about how movies like this that make the genre for the genre fans again are "ruining the genre!" Which comes back to how unintentionally funny SAW haters can be.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by Tuukka
I think the debate about the gore and substance in Saw movies is kinda pointless.

I haven't seen the 3rd movie yet, but I enjoyed Saw (8/10) and Saw 2 (7/10). They are exploitation movies. The story and "substance" they have is not really meant to be taken seriously, it's just there to glue the set pieces together. They are not really scary per se, but they are tense at times and have good, fun set pieces.

Are they torture porn? Yeah, part 2 more so than part 1. And apparently part 3 goes even more to that direction. But that's pretty much the point. Saying that a movie like this has too much gore and too little substance is like saying that a porn movie has too much sex and not enough substance. Of course, complaining about story, characters, writing, acting, etc, is perfectly valid, particularly if you feel that it's a let down compared to the previous two.

But going to see a porn movie and the complaining about it being porn is kinda pointless.

Hardly, they're combinations of morality tales with exploitation, they go hand and hand. They have a message that's there for more than just to "glue the setpieces together."
There are plenty of films I enjoy for the pure splattefest fun, but the SAW series is not among them.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I thought that was a pretty pathetic reason to kill her (, but i also thought that was the point) Amanda was no Jigsaw. She never any intention of letting the detective go, thats why Amanda revealed herself to her right before the end. It was personal.



I like these films as mindless gore-stuff, but i really could pick them apart if i wanted.

I found part 1 to be very over-rated after all the hype laid on it, but part 2 was a pleasent surprise for me and made the first one better.

I can pick pretty much any movie apart, since there are "logic gaps" just like the ones that people bitch about in SAW in tons of movies, but that's not why I watch films.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
Much more so actually, since that's not so much amusing as just true, amusing would be more along the lines of complaining about how movies like this that make the genre for the genre fans again are "ruining the genre!" Which comes back to how unintentionally funny SAW haters can be.

It's true that the Saw movies are profound and deep? Do the filmmakers even believe that? I bet they don't, and I bet they laugh all the way to the bank at anyone who believes that. As they should.

[bigred760]

It amazes me how this franchise's creators come up with more f*cked up ways for people to die. That's basically what's kept me coming to these movies every year for the past three Halloweens. For the third installment, I witness a guy with several hooks attached to his body, a woman getting sprayed with water in a freezer, and guy stuck in a contraption that twists body parts around - literally. Very cool, and very difficult to watch. Doesn't mean I didn't though.

Jigsaw and his apprentice Amanda (couldn't come up with a sidekick name I guess) want to give a guy the opportunity to avenge his son's killer, and the people who helped the guy get off easy. He can save these people's lives or watch them die. This is a nice touch, in that it gives this pissed off father the chance at mercy and forgiveness. It comes into play at the end as well in a very nice twist.

At the same time, Jigsaw is dying. He might not make it through the tests he's given his new prey. So Amanda kidnaps a doctor to keep him alive long enough to live through it. The doc's got a device around her neck that'll blow up (and her with it) if Jigsaw's heart stops ticking or she tries to leave. The movie flips back and forth between the two storylines in a very creepy atmosphere. I mean hell, one guy's watching people die and in the other we're watching a little surgery going on.

The movie also offers several flashbacks into how Amanda and Jigsaw got together. These sections connect this Saw flick to the other two and does it well. You see "game" setups and a little character development for Amanda and Jigsaw. The performances, like the previous two movies, are nothing to brag about, but that's not what you're going to see these movies for, is it?

The directing is very effective in that as an audience member you're very uncomfortable throughout most of the movie. You're seeing a lot of creative torture sessions with cool camera shots and of course the lighting adds to its atmosphere. If you enjoyed the other two Saws, I don't see why you wouldn't appreciate this one for the same reasons.

7/10

[chinton]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
SPOILERS





That wasn't even Jigsaw's game, it was Amanda's; and she explained the significance of why she CHOSE to be around the dead all the time, because she was so emotionally detached that she was incapable of making a connection to the living.
I find the criticisms of alot of the SAW haters as amusing as they claim they films are.


So she deserves to be there cause she's emotionally dead probably like many cops. That's so incredibly dumb. Once again IT WAS JISAW'S TAPE AND VOICE. I don't care if it was Amanda's game Jigsaw still came up witha really dumb lame ass reason.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by chinton
So she deserves to be there cause she's emotionally dead probably like many cops. That's so incredibly dumb. Once again IT WAS JISAW'S TAPE AND VOICE. I don't care if it was Amanda's game Jigsaw still came up witha really dumb lame ass reason.

Jigsaw uses a voice changer when he records his messages. Amanda just used the same device. Jigsaw himself had nothing to do with Amanda's games, and that's why he tested her.

[chinton]

Maybe I missed the scene but I nefver saw Amanda using the voice changer. Unless I missed the scene I still dont buy that.

[Lord Raiden]

I understood that it was Jigsaw on all of the tapes (except for the one Amanda made Eric at the end of II, obviously). He was still able to use his voice for the tapes but needed her for everything else. He trusted her to make the traps escapable if the victim "won". Amanda, quite obviously, got her kicks from seeing them die no matter what.

[bigred760]

I think Jigsaw did all the planning and "voicework" for the victims, but Amanda's the one who orchestrated them because Jigsaw couldn't physically do them. It was while Amanda did all these that she added her own "touches" and therefore you have the final twist to Saw III.

[chinton]

so it was Jigsaws voice. That still doesn't excuse the fact that he approved that lame ass message. My point still stands. For a movie and killer thats so obsessed with itsown moral complexity this shoots itself in the foot.

[Bourne101]

Going to see this again tonight. Borat isn't playing near me, so I thought I'd give this another view.

[Bourne101]

Just got back from my second viewing. Almost as good as the first viewing, although knowing the ending doesn't make it quite as much fun as the first viewing. My rating still stands though. 10/10

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
Hardly, they're combinations of morality tales with exploitation, they go hand and hand. They have a message that's there for more than just to "glue the setpieces together."
There are plenty of films I enjoy for the pure splattefest fun, but the SAW series is not among them.

There is a "morality tale" to go on with the exploitation, but it's extremely light weight IMHO. As morality tales the films don't really have a proper, consistent logic to them. Basicly they state that if you have ever in your life done a bad deed - which everyone has done - or if you don't appreciate enough what you have - Basicly every person in the world, since dissatisfaction and desire for things we don't have is part of human nature -You deserve to be tortured and killed in brutal manner.

That's not deep and thoughtful, that's just an excuse for inventive set pieces.

[Spidey]

What I would like to know is how Amanda or Jigsaw with braintumor, manage to built such complicated devices ? I'm guessing it would take months to built a construction that can twist human body parts 360 degrees.
And also Amanda is able to kidnap men twice as strong as her, just because she wears a pig's head ? Mmmm.....

[chinton]

Its the pig head of magic power.

[The Poonchy]

can't decide to give SAW III a 7/10 or 6/10. i liked it, it was definitely better than SAW II (5/10). but it had its fair share of flaws--THE AWFUL FUCKING DIRECTION from darren lynn bousman and that atrocious mtv-horror editing popularized by paul w.s. anderson and pushed to the limit by tony scott. pushed off edge by these annoying assholes. i really enjoyed how we were brought back down to two main victims, and how it closed up all the plotlines of the first two movies. i also really enjoyed seeing eric matthews (boy meets world?) beat the crap out of amanda.

SAW: 8/10? or 7/10
SAW II: 5/10? or 4/10
SAW III: 7/10? or 6/10

p.s. i also saw the prestige that (last) night and it was immensly better.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Spidey

And also Amanda is able to kidnap men twice as strong as her, just because she wears a pig's head ? Mmmm.....

In case you missed the end of SAW II, she drugs them. It'd still be a feat to drag them where she needed to take them, but not implausable.

[X-Nightcrawler]

This sucks. Saw III won't open here until the 17th and by then, it will be 'so last month' and when I come and bitch about it, everyone will be all "Hello, Saw III is so last month."

Stupid last month.

[AWP82]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
This sucks. Saw III won't open here until the 17th and by then, it will be 'so last month' and when I come and bitch about it, everyone will be all "Hello, Saw III is so last month."

Stupid last month.

This thread is so last month. ;)

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by AWP82
This thread is so last month. ;)
*breaks bottle*
I KEEL YOU!!1

[tlc3377]

It seems that Amanda liked her power way too much. She was setting the traps for jigsaw, but adding her own special touch. Jigsaw always gave his victims an out, Amanda didnt do that in this film. The only 1 who had a chance of getting out was the judge.
Amanda appearing at Kerry's site and watching her die, I think that shows her sadistic side as well. She wanted to see her die. And remember in the first film, one of the victims was being watched from outside. The cops found a hole in the wall looking into the room where the vic was. Was she watching too then?
SPOILERS:



Jeff has to find his daughter now! Who has set up the game he must play to get to her? I think there's a third party involved here.
My ideas:
The woman in the flashbacks had John's child, and said child is just lilke their father. Now it's time to carry on a 'family tradition."
What happened to Matthew's son after the end of 2? Maybe he is an apprentice in the wings!

I could see where they can make at least 2 more sequels to this! They're already in the script writing process for part 4 for Halloween 07 release.

[Badbird]

SPOILERS


Words have not been invented yet that discribe how much I hate this movie. This "film" is nothing but an exercise in brutality. This is gore porn. It's like the filmmakers are playing a game of "Let's test the audience's patience and capacity for cruelty!"

Saw 3 is a vile, dispicable, disgusting piece of garbage. Not only that, but it's boring and doesn't make any sense by the end either.

Pointing out this movie's monumental logic flaws doesn't even matter in the long run, but I'll do a little anyway. The freezing to death thing? Ridiculous. For water to freeze that fast, the room would have to be near or below freezing - she would have been dead from hypothermia most likely before he even walked in the room. But when he did open the door, the room temperature would have shot up twenty degrees at least, making the water impossible to freeze. Not to mention she would have been struggling as well. Oh, but who gives a shit?!

My biggest problem with this whole series has been Jigsaw's supposed motivation for his killings. The whole concept of Jigsaw is that he never kills anyone, they kill themselves.

Give me a fucking break. I'm sorry, but when you drug and kidnap someone and put them in a death trap that is impossible to beat - you fucking killed them!

And his motivations are pathetic. He accuses people of not living their lives the way they should, but by the end, I think he could pretty much find any tiny excuse for putting someone in a death trap. Blah, blah, blah. This guy is so full of shit it's stupid.

So cancer boy Jigsaw wants to teach people how to live. And he happens to be a mechanical engineer with plenty of time, space, and money to build sadistic death trap after death trap. Oh, and he's an A/V specialist to boot. He can make anything apear on a TV monitor - only he can't make the picture clear, I mean, he's not THAT much of a genious.

Anyway, back to Saw 3. So Dina Meyer showed up and I was like "Cool, they're gonna make her the main character." Ha ha! No, of course not! What am I, a fucking idiot? All horror sequels must kill off anyone from the previous movie. And kill her they do in what must be the most mean spirited, brutally graphic death scene I've ever seen.

It's like the filmmakers were sitting around, poking themselves all over their bodies and going "What would be a really sucky way to die?"

The whole movie is just a string of victims who Jeff first wants to let die, but then he changes his mind and tries to save them. Oh, too late. They're dead. Repeat. The final death trap is especialy retarded. Let's say he decides to sacrifice himself to save the guy... the key is on a shot gun. If he blasts himself to get the key how the fuck is he going to unlock anything?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Oh, the shakey cam from hell and blender style editing? Yeah, fuck you.

Saw 3 goes off the deep end even worse than the first two movies. The end just piles up train wreck as it constantly tries to surprise you again and again with it's lame twists.

Saw 3's big twist? Mrs. Jigsaw, Amanda, was there in Saw 1 - OOOOOOOHHHH! WOW! That's so fucking brilliant! Only a half assed fan fiction writer could have some up with such a mind blowing way to conect these movies!

And even down to the bitter end, Jigsaw is still speaking constantly in riddles that only make sense to him. Then, oh look! ANOTHER TAPE RECORDER! Good thing he didn't take Jigsaw's head clean off or else he wouldn't have got to hear that preposterous message.

Fuck this fucking piece of shit movie.

PS - To any detective trying to track down Jigsaw - just look for someone buying up LOTS of mini-taperecorders.

0/10

[X-Nightcrawler]

Jesus Christ.

Okay, I had it coming.

I knew it was going to happen. I blame no one but myself. Even going with just gore expectatives, I couldn't possibly enjoy this disaster of a fucking movie.

It's Saw on steroids. That means bad writing on steroids (and I pat myself on the back for noticing the exact same mistakes the makers of the first did; fucking hacks, you're not going to fix it, don't waste time trying). Bad pacing on steroids. Bad editing on steroids. Flashy directing on steroids (who the fuck said it had been cut down? It was much worse!).

And I know this movie is so last month. I'm sorry.

[AWP82]

Poor babies. :(

;)

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by AWP82
Poor babies. :(

;) It's a horrible world when those who are wrong feel sympathy for those who are right.

Horrible, horrible world.

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by Badbird
SPOILERS


Anyway, back to Saw 3. So Dina Meyer showed up and I was like "Cool, they're gonna make her the main character." Ha ha! No, of course not! What am I, a fucking idiot? All horror sequels must kill off anyone from the previous movie. And kill her they do in what must be the most mean spirited, brutally graphic death scene I've ever seen.

It's like the filmmakers were sitting around, poking themselves all over their bodies and going "What would be a really sucky way to die?"

The whole movie is just a string of victims who Jeff first wants to let die, but then he changes his mind and tries to save them. Oh, too late. They're dead. Repeat. The final death trap is especialy retarded. Let's say he decides to sacrifice himself to save the guy... the key is on a shot gun. If he blasts himself to get the key how the fuck is he going to unlock anything?

0/10
Is it wrong that this kind of review makes me smile and want to make the kind of movies that gets this responce.

PS, I don't understand why anyone who didn't like the first two would bother with part 3.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by slasherfan
PS, I don't understand why anyone who didn't like the first two would bother with part 3. I wanted to see the gore.

Which was the most enjoyable part of the movie, even if it was overrated.

[Shockwave]

I liked the second one alot more then the first or the third.:eek:

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I liked the second one alot more then the first or the third.:eek: Me too, actually. Other than Jigsaw's rambles, there seems to be less pretense.

There were some things I really enjoyed in the third though.

-The fact that it has the first actually likable main character in the entire series. I actually liked Lynn. I really liked Kerry in the second but she didn't have much to do.
-Jigsaw wasn't nearly as annoying (though he still was, especially at the end) as he was in the second.
-The Lynn/Amanda/Jigsaw scenes were the best to watch when they weren't trying to be smart (Lynn and Amanda discussing was ridiculous, the dialogue was hilarious. "You'd be surprised what tools can save a life.")
-The traps were creative (though the scenes themselves weren't as disturbing as I hoped). Eventhough someone has got to explain to me how the fuck do they build these incredibly contribed traps. Are these two like master engineers? They should join MythBusters, they'd kick those guy's asses. What's their income! Where do they buy the materials needed for the traps?
-Jigsaw suffered a lot and that was a blast to watch.
-The ending montage was very, very cool until they fucked it up by showing the blown up head (it would've been better to leave that image out).
-Kerry kicked ass in the 5 minutes of screen time she had. I wish she had been a main character.
-In many ways, it's like they weren't trying to be smart anymore, which is an excellent thing.

Still a terrible movie, but it had a lot of things to keep me entertained.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by AWP82
Poor babies. :(

;)

Especially the second part.;)

[X-Nightcrawler]

To anyone who knows . . .

What's the name of the track playing during the final montage. I have the montage tracks for I and II (they're similar to III's and all, but I particularly liked the one in III). Is the one called "Shithole Theme"?

[freakandgeek]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
the first was good, the second was just downright crappy, and rushed - I cannot imagine this to be any better....but i guess we will see, and see Saw 4 next year

i loved saw and couldn't agree with you more about saw 2. it was awful. but knowing me, i'll see it anways....

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
To anyone who knows . . .

What's the name of the track playing during the final montage. I have the montage tracks for I and II (they're similar to III's and all, but I particularly liked the one in III). Is the one called "Shithole Theme"?

It's labeled as "S*!thole Theme."

[CreeperBEATNGU]

SPOILER


Here's the extended version of Kerry's death...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ep52_fWgWSY

[CreeperBEATNGU]

The unrated rack (not much different)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMfoh9-gqoA

[CyclicNightmare]

Is there a list anywhere of all the added stuff in the unrated version?

[CreeperBEATNGU]

This DVD is packed with bonus scenes including:
More gore in:
-Kerry's Trap.
-Tim's Trap.
-An extra emotional music score during Tim's trap.
-Extended cut of Kerry and Rigg talking about Eric.
-And an alternate version of how Eric found Amanda in the bathroom.
-2 Deleted scenes with Amanda and Lynn fighting (Which i thought was alright.)
and Amanda running into Adam on his staircase which was quite heart-wrenching because he was showing interest in Amanda. (So, no there was no prior relationship).

-I only heard one commentary track and we might be in for a directors cut.
-The Directors cut will also include an extended ending where Jeff talks to Lynn's...stump and a whole mess more of scenes that we didn't see.

[Badbird]

Originally posted by slasherfan
Is it wrong that this kind of review makes me smile and want to make the kind of movies that gets this responce.

PS, I don't understand why anyone who didn't like the first two would bother with part 3.

Sometimes you have to do these things to make your significant other happy. I would never watch these movies on my own in a million years, but the person I'm with wants to see them.

It's a trade off, cause then we see the stuff I wanna see.

[rocknblues81]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
Since when did horror fans like these movies. Shouldn't there be horror in the movie for it to be a horror movie, but i guess in a world where Slip Knot is metal Saw is = to Evil Dead. It is my sincerest wish that all involved have their dreams directed by Uwe Boll.

There truly is no such thing as horror in a horror film. For christsake Dawn of the Dead was my favorite movie at 8 years old. No horror movie is truly scary.

Heck, the end of Silence of the Lambs is more scary than most "horror" movies. As for Evil dead, they haven't aged aswell as say... Halloween. But I do like them some.

[Shockwave]

Horror can work if im afraid FOR the characters on screen.


Since i hated every character in SAW 3, it pretty much failed completely.

[rocknblues81]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I thought that was a pretty pathetic reason to kill her (, but i also thought that was the point) Amanda was no Jigsaw. She never any intention of letting the detective go, thats why Amanda revealed herself to her right before the end. It was personal.



I like these films as mindless gore-stuff, but i really could pick them apart if i wanted.

I found part 1 to be very over-rated after all the hype laid on it, but part 2 was a pleasent surprise for me and made the first one better.

Bingo. Some people take things way too seriousally these days and it only gets worse. I don't really like the way this country is headed.

[Mr.HyDe807]

Wel, since this thread is back up, i'll throw in my two cents...
:POSSIBLE SPOILERS!:
Review- 4/10

I really think that the Saw franchise is overrated. I never really enjoyed the series, but mostly everybody else that i know seems to. Well, while i showed absoltely no interest at seeing this movie at all, my friend's had it on DVD, so i finally got a chance to see it, and once again, i wasnt impressed.

Everything seemd overlong and boring. I wanted to smack the main character in the fucking face bceause of his fucking around until he decided to help the person until it was too late, then having the main character cry over it. The Lynn/Amanda/Jigsaw storyline was completely idiotic, with mutiple plot twists and flashback making my head hurt. Then, having Jigsaw killing people over the asinine reasons pissed me off even more.

Alright, i dont wanna tlak about all the bullshit that the movie threw at me over and over again. The pluses were the acting was decent, the traps kept me entertained, and the ending was pretty sweet. However, the negatives definitely outweighted the positives.

Overall, this movie was boring (except for the kill scenes), the plot a mess, and a annoying villian. See if you want, but i thought it sucked.

Oh, and Saw 4? Fuck that!

[DrJellyfingers]

Saw 3 looked like somebody was trying to make a parody of the Saw movies.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Or the best of the series, and succeeded.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by Mr.HyDe807
Wel, since this thread is back up, i'll throw in my two cents...
:POSSIBLE SPOILERS!:
Review- 4/10

I really think that the Saw franchise is overrated. I never really enjoyed the series, but mostly everybody else that i know seems to. Well, while i showed absoltely no interest at seeing this movie at all, my friend's had it on DVD, so i finally got a chance to see it, and once again, i wasnt impressed.

Everything seemd overlong and boring. I wanted to smack the main character in the fucking face bceause of his fucking around until he decided to help the person until it was too late, then having the main character cry over it. The Lynn/Amanda/Jigsaw storyline was completely idiotic, with mutiple plot twists and flashback making my head hurt. Then, having Jigsaw killing people over the asinine reasons pissed me off even more.

Alright, i dont wanna tlak about all the bullshit that the movie threw at me over and over again. The pluses were the acting was decent, the traps kept me entertained, and the ending was pretty sweet. However, the negatives definitely outweighted the positives.

Overall, this movie was boring (except for the kill scenes), the plot a mess, and a annoying villian. See if you want, but i thought it sucked.

Oh, and Saw 4? Fuck that!

The point of the films has always been to learn from the characters mistakes. They aren't supposed to be likeable, and there really no "good guys."

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
The point of the films has always been to learn from the characters mistakes. They aren't supposed to be likeable, and there really no "good guys."

unlikeable characters in a horror movie are there to die and nothing else.

If not done in a funny manner(since the characters are shit!) then boredom sets in.

Might as well watch someone throw red paint on a wall for 90 minutes. Its about be the same thing as these movies.:o

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by Shockwave
unlikeable characters in a horror movie are there to die and nothing else.

Or to convey a meaning pertaining to a morality tale; and sometimes having to live with what one has done is a worse fate than death.

Characters do not have to be likeable to be good characters.

"Might as well watch someone throw red paint on a wall for 90 minutes. Its about be the same thing as these movies."

If you can find red paint that cleverly blends exploitation with morality tales, indeed it is.

If you think you always have to be "for the characters," you're missing the point of the movies. They were never about black and white good guys vs. bad guys stories.

[MadsenOMC]

Fear not. As George Romero himself accurately said not too long ago, who is going to remember the Saw series 20 years from now? No one except CreeperBEATNGU. Unless they are literally making Saw XXIV, which I suppose is possible.

[MadsenOMC]

Missing the point of the Saw movies? That's hilarious. Shoving gore and as many quick cuts as possible into the audience's face over 90 minutes is the point. Anything else is just what you imagine is there.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Yes, I'm sure noone other than me will remember them, just as noone other than me is making up their consistently high box office grosses year in year out....since I'm the only SAW fan out there that's going to remember these movies(movies which are far more successful now than quite a few Romero movies ever where btw)...

Not that how many people remember a film makes it good or bad anyway. Popularity and quality are two entirely seperate issues, those the SAW series has plenty of both.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Missing the point of the Saw movies? That's hilarious. Shoving gore and as many quick cuts as possible into the audience's face over 90 minutes is the point. Anything else is just what you imagine is there.

Thanks for providing such a fine example of wholeheartedly missing the point yet again Madsen, that's your speciality; that along with hypocritical pretentious baiting and bashing toward people that don't agree with your viewpoints only to show up in other threads (ie. Grindhouse and 300) to bitch and moan at others for doing it.;)

Of course, anyone that doesn't agree with you about a film having meaning is only imgaging it, if you feel a film has depth and others do not, they're just plain wrong.
There's that stellar wit, maturity, and respect I've come to know from your kind. Have fun imaging that the high horse you sit atop actually exists, and your whiney nit-picking reviews combined with dumping praise on the few films you actually like with "I know quality and you don't!" mindset are actually an intelligent analysis of films.:)

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
Yes, I'm sure noone other than me will remember them, just as noone other than me is making up their consistently high box office grosses year in year out....since I'm the only SAW fan out there that's going to remember these movies...

Not that how many people remember a film makes it good or bad anyway. Popularity and quality are two entirely seperate issues, those the SAW series has plenty of both.

Your hard on for this series has always and will always totally baffle me, and I know that nothing is ever going to make you reconsider these movies. I'm not even going to bother. I threw in my two cents, no point in getting into some long back and forth about this now. Agree to disagree.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

I already have you on ignore BullshitOMC....I mean Madsen OMC, so quit wasting time with your childish bitching in a thread for a film you don't even care about (of course in your case, telling you to stop wasting time and bitching is basically the equivelant to telling you to stop breathing).

[mutesaint]

The only true problem I have ever had with the Saw series has always been the editing. I think if they lost the loud flashes they would be much better recieved. The stories are fine, twisty, goodness that are just being hampered. Though, am I the onyl one who thinks the original Saw movie would have been ten times better if we had litterally never let that small room the guys were in? If everything that happened outside the world either didnt happen(the police story) or was conveyed only through phone conversations/things the guys in the room heard. I would own saw 1 right now if that had been the case.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
I already have you on ignore BullshitOMC....I mean Madsen OMC, so quit wasting time with your childish bitching in a thread for a film you don't even care about (of course in your case, telling you to stop wasting time and bitching is basically the equivelant to telling you to stop breathing).

Oh you are so clever. Seriously, though, take it easy man. Getting awfully worked up over this. Of course I care about the Saw series. I care about it a ton. I am a huge horror geek and I think the series is doing its part to destroy modern horror. That makes me care about it as much as you do, if not more. And I have as much right to post here as you do, like it or not. I could make a comment about breathing, your bitching and your taste, but I do not want to get banned.

[IronMonkey]

Holy crap..I check this thread for some Saw love and Madsen's doing his thing in here as well?

I love the series..*leaves room...ASAP :p

[ANTBond007]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Oh you are so clever. Seriously, though, take it easy man. Getting awfully worked up over this. Of course I care about the Saw series. I care about it a ton. I am a huge horror geek and I think the series is doing its part to destroy modern horror. That makes me care about it as much as you do, if not more. And I have as much right to post here as you do, like it or not. I could make a comment about breathing, your bitching and your taste, but I do not want to get banned.

'Destroy modern horror'? Madsen, if you're a huge horror geek, then you have to know nothing destroys horror more than the genre itself. It's filled with bullshit rip-offs made for half the price (that end up being 1/10th the quality). Those have always flooded the market and led the downfall of the genre.

Horror has never been made up of primarily good films. If you think so, then it's an opinion based purely on nostalgia.

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Fear not. As George Romero himself accurately said not too long ago, who is going to remember the Saw series 20 years from now? No one except CreeperBEATNGU. Unless they are literally making Saw XXIV, which I suppose is possible.

People remember Friday the 13th Part VII twenty years after it landed. I don't think they'll have any trouble remembering the infinitely superior Saw III.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Another "SAW is ruining horror!!!" rant, digging deep into the bag of tricks now...
Oh, and noone said anything about who has the right to post where, of course everyone has the right, just as others have the right to call them on their excessive hypocrisy if that's what they repeatedly show.
Everyone knows you think SAW is ruining horror Madsen, another bitch-fest isn't concinving anyone any further, and I was no more condescending to you than you are toward me or practically anyone else that you disagree with around here.
I give respect to respectful, which is why I haven't given it to you.

On a side note, this thread was not rudely argumentative or bicker-filled until Madsen showed up...funny how often that happens.

[The Other]

Someone reported this thread due to insults, and Saw III is no longer a current movie anyway.

Thread closed.