Saw III

[Bourne101]

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/saw3-blood-poster.jpg

Directed by Darren Lynn Bousman

Genre: Horror/Thriller

Plot: Jigsaw and his new apprentice are at it again, kidnapping numerous helpless, but unworthy of living vicitms, one of which must keep Jigsaw alive or there will be nasty consequences. Twists up the ying yang and lots of blood are bound to ensue.

Starring: Tobin Bell, J. LaRose, Dina Meyer, Shawnee Smith and Bahar Soomekh.

Rated R for strong grisly violence and gore, sequences of terror and torture, nudity and language.

Runtime: 107 minutes (nice!)



Well, this may be one of the most anticipated movies for horror fans in years. I guess it's the rush of not knowing what the hell is going to happen. And with the twists supposed to be even bigger and better than the first, there might as well be some hype. I will be there opening day. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

[blankpage]

I'm a big fan of the first one, and not so much the second. This third one doesn't really interest me a whole lot. I'll wait for DVD

[daddiefatsacks]

the first was good, the second was just downright crappy, and rushed - I cannot imagine this to be any better....but i guess we will see, and see Saw 4 next year

[bob]

The Saw movies always rank high on my weird-shit-o-meter, no matter how inane and contrived the "plots" of the films are, so I'll definitely catch this one...opening night. And I'll continue to see every Saw sequel, no matter how crappy they get. And yes, I am a film distributor's wet dream.

[Mentiroso]

I plan on seeing it. I am just a horror whore and will see anything horror. I loved the 1st one, the second was pretty good so if the third is anything like the second it should be worth the matinee ticket price.

[ZenDude]

I'll be there as well! :)

[blk_flower]

I just don't know, the plot I have no problem with, it's one of those things, you just have to go and see it to find out.

[chinton]

I have no respect for the Saw series. Then again I'll probably get bored and end up seeing it anyway.

[Jig Saw 666]

Saw 2 was much different from Saw and now there saying Saw 3 will be much different from Saw 2. Happy to here that :D. I love the Saw series and I hope they make Saw 4 next year.

[ElderPredator]

I can't wait to see it! :D

I love every idea that comes out of the "Saw" movies and this one looks really gross and creepy!

Tobin Bell is the man!

[Tyler_Durden_208]

What the fuck is up with that poster? Besides his slight resemblance to Emperor Palpatine, it just looks like it's a poster for a drama or fantasy or action movie as opposed to a grisly horror/tortue movie.

That aside, I wasn't the biggest fan of Saw II, although I enjoyed the first one. I might check this one out, and I might just stay in and watch some really good movies if the reviews are bad.

[brodeurnumber1]

I hate this series(that's all I can post right now because I can't think of anything else).

[Shockwave]

..i thought SAW 2 was a blast and even made the so-so first one a better movie due to them linking together so well.

Im up for this.

[Lazy Boy]

I liked the sequel a little less than the original, but what I enjoy most is the mythology or creation of a long-running storyline and returning characters. Hopefully the third one will be the one to finish off Jigsaw's story, but I doubt it.

[MadsenOMC]

I'll see this when I need a good laugh.

[dfd3657]

As much as I think the Saw films are completely overrated, I'll probably still see this (I have yet to see Saw 2).

[CreeperBEATNGU]

This is the brand of horror that's saving the genre these days.
The heart of the series is Tobin and Shawnee, who had very little to do in the first film, alot more in the second, and this film will have their relationship front and center, plus the most well rounded group of victims of the trilogy.
This has a strong shot of being the best movie of 2006.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
This is the brand of horror that's saving the genre these days.
This has a strong shot of being the best movie of 2006.

Funny. I believe the exact opposite. I think this brand of horror is ruining the genre and I think it has more of shot at being the worst movie of 2006.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

I'd believe that too if no holds barred horror geared specifically toward horror fans rather than the mainstream were my idea of what's ruining the genre.

[Strider]

I loved the original, quite disliked the sequel, and as for Saw III, I will be seeing it. The plot sounds somewhat interesting, and I hope it's a fun watch.

Strider

[MadsenOMC]

The Saw movies aren't geared towards the mainstream? Right. And no holds barred? Hardly.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Yes, it is right. They're geared specifically towad horror buffs and aren't tamed or watered down to appeal to the mainstream; and no holds barred, entirely.

[Lord Raiden]

I still regret not catching SAW at the theatre, and I had a blast last year with II. I will be there opening weekend to check it out, and I think it will kick ass. I had my doubts about II last year and it came through for me (still love the original more). I still have a little doubt it will live up to the first two, but who knows? I think the SAW movies are definitely a good thing for the genre, as opposed to crapfests like HOSTEL and HIGH TENSION. The franchise works because Jigsaw is just such an original and outstanding villian, and some of the traps are just fucking genius.

[TylerDurden182]

Liked the first one a lot. Second was ok. This one looks kind of meh, but I'll still check it out opening weekend.

[marapets]

I'll defo be checking out. dunno how good it will be but hope its good

[Scorpio24]

I've yet to check out any of them. I am so fed up of shit actors, shit scripts and shit dolled up in more shit being produced as horror films these days that I hardly ever watch them anymore. Horror film making has gone down the shitter.

I have the 1st and 2nd on DVD. And i'm being nagged to watch them. I will and I may enjoy them but i'm so fed up of half arsed hooror films that i'm scared I may stab somebody in the eye if I have another dissapointment.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
Yes, it is right. They're geared specifically towad horror buffs and aren't tamed or watered down to appeal to the mainstream; and no holds barred, entirely.

LOL. OK. Sure. Agree to disagree then.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Funny. I believe the exact opposite. I think this brand of horror is ruining the genre


Explain.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Explain.

Want me to PM you? I would be happy to explain why I think the Saw series is doing far more to ruin horror than save it. I even wrote a rant about it last year. But I don't want to turn this Saw III thread into a thread about why I hate the first two Saw movies. So I'll PM you if you want.

[ZenDude]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
Yes, it is right. They're geared specifically towad horror buffs and aren't tamed or watered down to appeal to the mainstream; and no holds barred, entirely.

I agree with you. When someone thinks scenes like SPOILERS!!!!!









Someone falling into a pit of syringes isnt no holds barred and is geared toward mainstream, I dont know what it is. ;)

[MadsenOMC]

I am talking about the movies as a whole, not specific scenes ZenDude. You seem to be confused.

[chinton]

really to me both movies like this and Grudge 2 are single-handedly bringing down the horror genre with the few notable exceptions like The Descent.

[MidnightAngel]

Please let this be the last Saw movie!

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Want me to PM you? I would be happy to explain why I think the Saw series is doing far more to ruin horror than save it. I even wrote a rant about it last year. But I don't want to turn this Saw III thread into a thread about why I hate the first two Saw movies. So I'll PM you if you want.


Yeah if you dont mind. Im not looking for an argument or anything. Just wanted your opinion is all so once you send the pm I wont be replying back as to why I think you are wrong/right.

[EDsoulsurvive*]

i love both Saw films, but this one looks very bleh in my opinion. It doesn't even look like this one has a plot...

I'll still see it though.

[Kucha]

This comes out on my birthday so Im pumped for that. I enjoyed SAW and was even more surprised when I really enjoyed SAW 2. Im hoping that SAW 3 will be just as good and provide as much entertainment.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
Jigsaw is just such an original and outstanding villian, and some of the traps are just fucking genius.

Uhh........nevermind.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
The franchise works because Jigsaw is just such an original and outstanding villian, and some of the traps are just fucking genius.[/FONT]


Original? I like the Saw movies. Especially the second one, which I thought was actually an improvement on the first one. But Jigsaw is definately NOT an original villian. Infact, as awesome as Tobin Bell is, Jigsaw is basically a second rate, poor man's version of John Doe from Se7en.


This year's crop of horror movies for Halloween look rather disappointing and uninspired. But hopefully this will be good. I do like the story to this one. Them kidnapping a doctor and having her be on a race against to cure Jigsaw's cancer. Or something like that.

[Jig Saw 666]

Saw 4 and 5 are coming for 2007 and 2008 now this is just crazy I thought he was suppose to be dying soon.

[Lord Raiden]

I absolutely think that Jigsaw is an original character. The fact that he does what he does for a reason, and really doesn't actually kill anyone when you think about it. He just sets everything up and the chips fall where they may and I think that's pretty God damn original. John Doe from SE7EN is a great villian as well, but he and Jigsaw are awesome for different reasons.

[bob]

The main difference between John Doe and Jigsaw is consistency.

John Doe punished seven people for seven sins...end of story (well, two for one of the sins).

Jigsaw has killed at least 2 people for no reason (except for the fact that they would have apprehended him) making him a thug...Danny Glover's sidekick in Saw had no given reason to be punished, yet he was shot several times by one of Jigsaw's traps.

And I still can't fucking believe that out of all the people on Earth who are idiots, Jigsaw chooses his own damn doctor, the guy trying to save him from cancer, to punish in the original.

One of the reasons the Saw films are so consistently enjoyable is that they are the all-time winners of the flawed logic award.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

The doctor came off as very cold in diagnosing people, it was just a job to him. His indifference to human suffering fit in fine with Jigsaw's motivations; and of course he's going to have plans ready at his own lair for potential intruders, which doesn't make someone a thug.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Originally posted by chinton
really to me both movies like this and Grudge 2 are single-handedly bringing down the horror genre with the few notable exceptions like The Descent.

The Grudge films and the SAW films are nothing alike, regardless personal opinion of film quality.

SAW is brutal, uncompromising horror meant primarily for horror fans, The Grudge was made because PG-13 ghost flicks were in the mainstream after The Ring(and I love The Ring, but its influence is exactly what films like SAW are saving the genre from).

As for those that scoff at people calling Jigsaw original that love lauding Seven so much, Jigsaw is no more a Doe rip off than Doe is a Lecter rip off.

Twist endings and self-righteous serial killers that come up with elaborate plans for their victims was neither invented nor perfected by that overrated exhibition in mediocrity known as Seven.

[thedudeman69]

I am a big fan of Saw, and I was unimpressed by Saw II because it was a semi carbon copy of the original. Also, the trailers for this really haven't impressed me, but the traps look like they will be more gruesome and horrifying than the first two. Also, it looks like it will be the darkest of the three. neverless, I am going to see it.

[Shockwave]

The main difference between the Saw and Grudge movies is that at least the SAW films TRY to give some bang for peoples bucks. (i think they work rather well)

I really dont think they are killing horror at all. If anything, they are doing it good.

[ZenDude]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I am talking about the movies as a whole, not specific scenes ZenDude. You seem to be confused.

I'm not confused at all. Maybe regarding this film you are perhaps?

[shoe1985]

I feel Saw is helping save horror. The second one was a step down from the first, but it was still a good movie. I am excited about the third one. Now, I could care less about them making more sequels because they keep expanding a good story. I am curious because I thought Jigsaw died at the end of 2.

[Shockwave]

I am curious because I thought Jigsaw died at the end of 2.

Thats what i thought as well.

Im wondering if this series will get supernatural in its premise.

Kinda like how Friday the 13th started out with a crazed mother and a brain-damaged son, and moved to a super-zombie.:)

[Lord Raiden]

I never thought that he died at the end of II, but I can see where someone would think that. Could be the director wanted the ending to be up to the viewer's interpretation. Obviosuly he didn't die and I really don't see him doing so for a while. I've said in other threads that he doesn't have cancer...he's got the movie cancer. It could be a long time before he loses the battle or perhaps puts it into remission somehow. I don't ever see Amanda fully taking over the role as the franchise's baddie. In fact, I'm thinking she has something to do with the twist at the end of III. I realize I'm really stretching on this one, but I think that Jigsaw will double cross Amanda and leave her to die at the end of this one. Here's hoping...

[someguy]

Guys I'll help you save some money, go watch a Cube movie and Seven. It'll be like Saw 3, most likely better.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by someguy
Guys I'll help you save some money, go watch a Cube movie and Seven. It'll be like Saw 3, most likely better.
Ha. Great post.
I've decided I'll still go see it, just for the hell of it, I mean Feast at least satisfied my horror pallete for a while, and Slither does come out Tuesday to make me even happier.
Maybe that's what Saw needs, some Nathan Fillion... Hopefully he's smart enough to stay away, though.:p

[Jig Saw 666]

The coolest twist they could do for part III is ether have Doctor Gordan return or Jigsaw double crosses Amanda or Amanda double crosses Jigsaw.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by ZenDude
I'm not confused at all. Maybe regarding this film you are perhaps?

You singled out a specific scene and stated that a scene like that could never be said to not be no holds barred. But I was not talking about specific scenes. I was talking about the movies as a whole. Understand?

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 666
The coolest twist they could do for part III is ether have Doctor Gordan return or Jigsaw double crosses Amanda or Amanda double crosses Jigsaw.


How would Gordon return? he cut off his foot, for christ sake.

[MadsenOMC]

It's a Saw movie. It doesn't have to make sense.

[Jig Saw 666]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
How would Gordon return? he cut off his foot, for christ sake.



Saw is full of surprises and this one must have a twist ending what else could it be.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 666
Saw is full of surprises and this one must have a twist ending what else could it be.


Yep. That could be cool to see. I mean, what if he kills Jigsaw then sort of becomes like demented and becomes the new bad guy in Saw IV. that would be freaking cool .

[someguy]

Saw IV and freaking cool are two contradictory terms

[Jig Saw 666]

Another cool ending could be Danny Glover isnt really dead after being shot. I hope they take Saw 4 and 5 in another direction so it doesnt feel the same each movie. I would love to see a prequel of Jigsaw/John working at the toy factory him making his doll and that distubing pig mask.

[bob]

Originally posted by CreeperBEATNGU
The doctor came off as very cold in diagnosing people, it was just a job to him. His indifference to human suffering fit in fine with Jigsaw's motivations;

Agree to disagree. In my opinion, a man who saves peoples lives and doesn't really care is still a step up from someone who doesn't save people's lives.

I only bring it up because, with the news of a fourth and fifth Saw movie in the works, it appears as though they're trying to craft a Jigsaw mythology, and they better be able to defend his actions.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by someguy
Guys I'll help you save some money, go watch a Cube movie and Seven. It'll be like Saw 3, most likely better.

Well if you think about it, the cops performance in Cube is comparably bad to Cary Elwes performance in Saw.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by someguy
Saw IV and freaking cool are two contradictory terms


Oh. I am sorry, but this is a thread for FANS of the Saw franchise.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Oh. I am sorry, but this is a thread for FANS of the Saw franchise.

So only people who like the Saw movies can post here? I was not aware of that.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
So only people who like the Saw movies can post here? I was not aware of that.


If you are going to only critcize the films, then what is the point of posting? You can critize all you want, but it won't change our minds on the films ."OMG IT IS A RIP OFF OF CUBE" "I NOES!"

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
So only people who like the Saw movies can post here? I was not aware of that.


Just admit it. You really love the series and just dont want people to know it because you think it is too lowbrow. Come on. You do this and I will admit I like Borat.

[bob]

For the record, no matter how often I bitch about the logic in these films, I am always there opening day. That's just how I get down.

[Shockwave]

The thing is, for the most part Jigsaw needs a helper, and since hes so frail i dont see him turning on the one person hes been training to take his spot.

I really think hell probably croak in this one, but itll be due to his own actions and planning, going out with a bang.

[moviebuff01]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
So only people who like the Saw movies can post here? I was not aware of that.

Is there anything that you do like because it seems like all the forums I see you post on, you always have something negative to say. Do you just sit around pissed off all day and then get one here and vent? I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not trying to pick a fight, it'd be pointless, just wondering.....

I enjoyed the saw films for what they were, great twist endings and definately something new. So, I am looking forward to the third film and all those to follow. Each film brings something new and always keeps you guessing with each scene, and I'm sure this one will be no different.

[ZenDude]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
You singled out a specific scene and stated that a scene like that could never be said to not be no holds barred. But I was not talking about specific scenes. I was talking about the movies as a whole. Understand?

Yes, I understand, but I still disagree with you. Lets just agree to disagree. ;)

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by moviebuff01
Is there anything that you do like because it seems like all the forums I see you post on, you always have something negative to say. Do you just sit around pissed off all day and then get one here and vent? I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not trying to pick a fight, it'd be pointless, just wondering.....

I enjoyed the saw films for what they were, great twist endings and definately something new. So, I am looking forward to the third film and all those to follow. Each film brings something new and always keeps you guessing with each scene, and I'm sure this one will be no different.
To begin with, Madsen has stated probably hundreds of times the things he's liked. He wrote a review for The Prestige that actually made me somewhat more excited to see it.
And also, the Saw films are not "definately something new". As stated before, the film takes its lessons from the Cube films, Seven, and even some directing tips from Michael Bay and Tony Scott. I'll give you somewhat inventive and fun. But you can't put old Doritos in a new bad and call them "New Extreme Doritos!"

[MadsenOMC]

First of all, thank you Tyler_Durden. Second, I never called Saw a rip-off of Cube. Third, it would be pretty boring around here if the only people who posted about movies were fans of the movies. Fourth, I can't believe how often this happens. moviebuff, before you go running your mouth, you should pay closer attention. I loved Borat and said so yesterday. I liked The Prestige quite a bit. I loved The Departed, even if I feel it has some flaws. I loved Half Nelson. I loved The Science of Sleep. I thought The Black Dahlia and Hollywoodland were OK, not great and not awful. I hope I have proved my point. Finally, sorry Mentiroso, but I can't do it. :)

[moviebuff01]

It's not worth the time to argue about it, certainly not mine anyways.. I just was saying that it is okay to state your opinion but often times Madsen is overly disrespectful, but maybe im wrong... it's really not something i care to discuss on this thread, just simply stating my opinion...

on with the saw franchise.... you can take small pieces from various places, mixed with new ideas, and make something new.. the saw franchise is something new, otherwise, there would not be this huge following. i will give you that it contains ideas that we have seen before, but what movies are out there that we cannot relate to another film or find a scene that we cannot see some other inspirations? saw has built on a few other films and used its own twists and inventive ideas to build a new and exciting franchise... one we should all just enjoy

[moviebuff01]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I liked The Prestige quite a bit. I loved The Departed, even if I feel it has some flaws.

I agree, both good films. Sorry for all who wanted to talk about Saw III, didn't mean to take away from the discussion any..

[shoe1985]

I don't care if people like the movie or not, just respect everyone's opinions, which everyone has from what I had read. Now if you don't like the series, don't be like this series sucks. Do some explaining wise.

[thedamnwolfman]

Originally posted by Bourne101
[Well, this may be one of the most anticipated movies for horror fans in years. I guess it's the rush of not knowing what the hell is going to happen. And with the twists supposed to be even bigger and better than the first, there might as well be some hype. I will be there opening day. No ifs, ands or buts about it.

Since when did horror fans like these movies. Shouldn't there be horror in the movie for it to be a horror movie, but i guess in a world where Slip Knot is metal Saw is = to Evil Dead. It is my sincerest wish that all involved have their dreams directed by Uwe Boll.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
Since when did horror fans like these movies. Shouldn't there be horror in the movie for it to be a horror movie, but i guess in a world where Slip Knot is metal Saw is = to Evil Dead. It is my sincerest wish that all involved have their dreams directed by Uwe Boll.
I think you're confusing the notion that just because something's more mainstream, that takes it out of its genre. Slipknot is metal, and anyone who wants to say differently, fuck off, just cos you don't like a band doesn't change the genre. Saw is horror, albeit mainstream horror, but the keyword here is still "horror". Jesus, I don't even like the films all that much, and I'm the only one who's not seeing the illogicalness of this statement? And no way in hell is Saw equal to any of the Evil Dead films, not even if I was snorting the same coke the editors are on.

And Madsen, no problem, I've been around here long enough to know that even if you have a few tussles over opinions, someone who has the balls to say what they want, but yet still respect other's opinions (the only time I've seen you really argue is when someone's trying to make a fact "your opinion") is more worthy of being a schmoe than maybe even I am.:cool:

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
Since when did horror fans like these movies. Shouldn't there be horror in the movie for it to be a horror movie, but i guess in a world where Slip Knot is metal Saw is = to Evil Dead. It is my sincerest wish that all involved have their dreams directed by Uwe Boll.

How is SAW not a horror film? You have the brutality of a slasher mixed with psychological terror. I mean, seriously. People act as if there's only one type of "real" horror film. The genre is diverse and contains many subgenres.

[moviebuff01]

i would like to know what the damnwolfman considers as metal and horror if slipknot and saw are not?

[thedamnwolfman]

Ok fella, I am not here to show anyone how much more I know about music or horror movies then anyone else. I sleep well enough at night that I don’t need to whip it out and show everyone. The problem is that there is no disassociation between the movie/ band in question and the genre that it is being forced into. I will take Saw for instance seeing that this is a movie board. I would ask for some forgiveness on details of the movie because I haven’t seen it in a while and I have tried to block it out of my mind. Saw is not a horror movie in the same way your high school buddy’s cover band is not a real band. Your buddy’s band has a singer, guitar play, bass player, drummer etc, but they lack that special something that makes them a real band. To the casual listener they are just as hard rocking as that “sweet” Iowa record you paid $14 for but when they are held up to the light they are not “really” a band. Follow me? In the same way Saw has elements of a horror movie like blood, guts, a killer, people doing horrible things to other people, you know, but what it doesn’t have is that “spark” that a good, real, horror movie has. I would say that my biggest complaint about Saw is that is a movie that is more concerned selling tickets then being a “good movie”. I won’t lie; when I got a glimpse of the trailer online before it came I got excited. All my friends and I geeked out, wondering what kind of gruesomeness was to befall the characters in the movie. We gladly paid full price to sit down in the theater and we readied ourselves for the onslaught. I think I might have peed a little. Then over the course of the movie I kept feeling like I was lied to. A whole trailer load of empty promises. What happened in this movie, I cop got killed, the dude cut his leg off, oh and the killer was in the room the whole time. Wow! Color me impressed. I would suggest you go and study some real horror movies and hold them up to Saw. What did Saw do that wasn’t done better in Dead Alive, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dawn of the Dead, Cannibal Holocaust, The Thing. I know they are classics and it is hard to imagine anything better but even with a newer movie like the British version of the Descent Saw just doesn’t stack up. For the style of movie Saw claimed to be it isn’t very horrific. Really it was more of a thriller with horror themes. Oh, and for Slip Knot, they are just plain clown shoes. Remember, those are grown men under those “masks”. I like my metal like I like my horror, brutal! Neither Slip Knot nor Saw are even close. They don’t frighten me, they don’t excite me, they bore the piss out of me.

[rtatick]

Really all of thedamnwolfman's points are 100% correct.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by rtatick
Really all of thedamnwolfman's points are 100% correct.
Opinions can't be correct.

Regardless, the band/movies in question aren't being forced into the genre. They are part of that genre. Just cos something isn't "brutal" enough for your tastes, doesn't mean it's not in said genre. And the main thing it did better than Cannibal Holocaust was it entertained me and didn't make me wonder where the money I spent to rent it went.
Regardless, I'm not arguing whether they're good films or not. Just because something isn't to your liking does not take it out of the genre. I fucking hate The Grudge, but it's still horror. More to the point, I don't even like Slipknot that much, but they're still metal.
And what do you mean by "the British version" of The Descent? If you're referring to the different cuts, the U.S. version is the same, just with the ending hacked at.

[rtatick]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
Opinions can't be correct.


When it comes to Saw... The opinion that it BLOWS and shouldn't even EXIST absolutely is correct. QED.

[rtatick]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208

And what do you mean by "the British version" of The Descent? If you're referring to the different cuts, the U.S. version is the same, just with the ending hacked at.

Which would make them different versions. The genious of that movie is that, by trimming those 10 seconds, the movie lost a HUGE bit of its punch. The ONLY version to watch is with the FULL ending.

[thedamnwolfman]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
Opinions can't be correct.

Regardless, the band/movies in question aren't being forced into the genre. They are part of that genre. Just cos something isn't "brutal" enough for your tastes, doesn't mean it's not in said genre. And the main thing it did better than Cannibal Holocaust was it entertained me and didn't make me wonder where the money I spent to rent it went.
Regardless, I'm not arguing whether they're good films or not. Just because something isn't to your liking does not take it out of the genre. I fucking hate The Grudge, but it's still horror. More to the point, I don't even like Slipknot that much, but they're still metal.
And what do you mean by "the British version" of The Descent? If you're referring to the different cuts, the U.S. version is the same, just with the ending hacked at.

Ok, ok. Enough beating around the bush. What I am saying is that we as fans of “Horror” collectively need to demand more from Hollywood. Saw, the US Grudge, The last couple remakes, have all been lackluster and hurting (nothing was wrong with the Hills have Eyes). We need to cultivate better taste in horror and not let the big studios get away with spewing crap at us. If you like Saw, I don’t think I will ever understand you. I realize what this movie was going for. The only thing it did was give our good buddy Danny G. something to live off of when the Lethal Weapon royalties started to trickle. I understand that this is my opinion, but it does not change the fact that pales in comparison to the greats. I don’t ever expect a movie to surpass what has been done before it, but I do expect it to at least be what it is advertised to be. Open your eyes, stop eating this shit, and cultivate some taste. I’m out… Well that is unless you can really hurt my feelings enough to get me back into this discussion.

Point off topic: I differentiated the between the US and British versions of Descent, because who ever put that movie out decided that they needed to differentiate between the two and it makes a difference.

Point two off topic: Slipknot is still clown shoes.

[Mr.HyDe807]

Not really excited for this one. When Saw came out, everyones like "oh my god! Its so brutal! I couldnt watch it!", so i cjhecked it out and i thought it was alright, but not great. Saw 2 was okay as well, but it never shocked me either. I may see saw 3 some day, but for now, i could care less

[AWP82]

DELETED.

[Bourne101]

Wow, I was just thinking about something. The twist at the end of Saw was completely insane. I mean, unless you were just thinking non-stop about all the options, you could never guess it. I remember seeing it in the theatre and when Jigsaw stood up in the middle of the room I screamed "Oh shit!", and other people were going nuts. If the twist in this one is better than that, I may just have a heart attack.

Saw II had a pretty good twist, but it just didn't shock me like the others. I predicted Amanda from the first time I heard she was in it, but the whole Son/Father twist was pretty cool.

Anyways, can't wait to see this one. Only 1 more week!

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
Ok, ok. Enough beating around the bush. What I am saying is that we as fans of “Horror” collectively need to demand more from Hollywood. Saw, the US Grudge, The last couple remakes, have all been lackluster and hurting (nothing was wrong with the Hills have Eyes). We need to cultivate better taste in horror and not let the big studios get away with spewing crap at us. If you like Saw, I don’t think I will ever understand you. I realize what this movie was going for. The only thing it did was give our good buddy Danny G. something to live off of when the Lethal Weapon royalties started to trickle. I understand that this is my opinion, but it does not change the fact that pales in comparison to the greats. I don’t ever expect a movie to surpass what has been done before it, but I do expect it to at least be what it is advertised to be. Open your eyes, stop eating this shit, and cultivate some taste. I’m out… Well that is unless you can really hurt my feelings enough to get me back into this discussion.

Point off topic: I differentiated the between the US and British versions of Descent, because who ever put that movie out decided that they needed to differentiate between the two and it makes a difference.

Point two off topic: Slipknot is still clown shoes.
I refuse to even argue with you anymore. I'm not saying whether the films or said band are good or not. I was debating where you said because they were bad, they did not belong in their respective genre.
Regardless, I still might check this out, if I don't run out of movies to watch at home.

[slasherfan]

Anyone see the new clips at Yahoo Movies? The first one made me throw up a little :(
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/sawiii.html;_ylt=AjIZ0JmO836_Skw5Z0GTdeZfVXcA

[someguy]

Hahaha, that pig trap is pretty funny.

[Bourne101]

I seriously am dying to see this movie. I just watched the first and the twist still blows me away. I just have to know what happends.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by slasherfan
Anyone see the new clips at Yahoo Movies? The first one made me throw up a little :(
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/sawiii.html;_ylt=AjIZ0JmO836_Skw5Z0GTdeZfVXcA Absolutely retarded. Just when I was beginning to get excited about the movie's traps, I see what two of them are all about and both are insanely stupid and boring. Bring back the jaw and mask traps which were actually intense.

[MadsenOMC]

SPOILERS!!




Originally posted by Bourne101
the first and the twist still blows me away

You mean setting the world record for holding one's breath the longest?

[slapshot63]

So many people complain about this series with an original idea yet bitch when it's not redundant. People want them to go back to the trap ideas in Saw but if they did that, those same people would bitch because they didn't do anything different. I know that this series has its flaws and can't match up against classics like Halloween and Dawn of The Dead but they are still probably the best horror flicks coming out these days. Say what you will and have what opinion you choose, I for one love the series and can't wait for this next installment.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
SPOILERS!!






You mean setting the world record for holding one's breath the longest? I think it's the fact that the twist is revealed to shock audiences and that's it. It has no plot or character relevance at all.

Originally posted by slapshot63
So many people complain about this series with an original idea yet bitch when it's not redundant. People want them to go back to the trap ideas in Saw but if they did that, those same people would bitch because they didn't do anything different. It's adorable how you have no clue what I'm talking about.

I don't give a damn about them trying something different. Go ahead and do so. What I don't like is that the trap sequences are just boring now. Mainly because the scenes don't seem to be very tense, it's pobably just the directing.

But either way, the ideas themselves seem dull (you're trapped in chains so like . . . tear them off) when compared to stuff like "You need to poke your eye out so this thing doesn't squash your head." and "You need to gut this fellow so this thing doesn't forcibly open your jaw." (the best traps ever, even the others in Saw 2 were lame) where there REALLY seemed to be actual intensity.

How is Saw III taking traps to a 'new direction'? Nothing seems innovative here. It's just the same style as before but with duller ideas and less intense directing.

[MadsenOMC]

I'm not going to lie after the fact and claim that I saw it coming, but I found the twist to be stupid as hell.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I'm not going to lie after the fact and claim that I saw it coming, but I found the twist to be stupid as hell. You don't need to lie. A shocking twist isn't a good thing if it's not clever. Shocking people is extremely easy. Making the twist make sense and have ANY kind of relevance is where the thing is.

[slapshot63]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
It's adorable how you have no clue what I'm talking about.

I don't give a damn about them trying something different. Go ahead and do so. What I don't like is that the trap sequences are just boring now. Mainly because the scenes don't seem to be very tense, it's pobably just the directing.

But either way, the ideas themselves seem dull (you're trapped in chains so like . . . tear them off) when compared to stuff like "You need to poke your eye out so this thing doesn't squash your head." and "You need to gut this fellow so this thing doesn't forcibly open your jaw." (the best traps ever, even the others in Saw 2 were lame) where there REALLY seemed to be actual intensity.

How is Saw III taking traps to a 'new direction'? Nothing seems innovative here. It's just the same style as before but with duller ideas and less intense directing.

It's adorable how you assume I'm talking directly to you.:rolleyes:

The traps themselves may not be innovative per se, but it's the way they go about them. In Saw you were thrown into the situation and at other times you saw the aftermath with some flashbacks thrown in. In Saw II the traps were a little different and you weren't just thrown in a room and told to go for it. In Saw III there are many people in traps that are centered around one man's main trap. That's how I mean they're changing it up. The actual traps are evolving and becoming more intricate (not by a ton though) but the way they go about presenting them and setting them up is what keeps things a bit fresh.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by slapshot63
It's adorable how you assume I'm talking directly to you.:rolleyes: Even cuter that you pretend you're not.

[Shockwave]

I DID see the twist coming in SAW 1, but i still thought it was the best scene in the movie.

(i didnt know who Jigsaw was, but i figured out he was the guy laying in the middle of the room when they said he likes to watch, and kept going on about how daring he is.)

I also liked when they went back into "the room" at the end of SAW 2. Dunno why, but i thought it was cool how they connected all that.

[slapshot63]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Even cuter that you pretend you're not.

Holy shit you're big headed.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by slapshot63
Holy shit you're big headed. In cases like this, yes. I am.

[Bourne101]

Well Madsen, not everyone has the guts to admit the twist was fucking brilliant, but since you say it was stupid, please explain why? I mean, it's not going to be hard for a cancer patient to play dead, considering they are near death anyway. And in terms of the breaths, Adam and Dr. Gordon weren't looking at him non-stop so he could easily have taken breaths when they were not looking.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by Bourne101
Well Madsen, not everyone has the guts to admit the twist was fucking brilliant, but since you say it was stupid, please explain why? I mean, it's not going to be hard for a cancer patient to play dead, considering they are near death anyway. And in terms of the breaths, Adam and Dr. Gordon weren't looking at him non-stop so he could easily have taken breaths when they were not looking.

I'll get my record fixed, schmoes, I swear.

It doesn't matter if he can 'play dead or not because he was totally awake the entire time. He was hearing their conversations, which were very important, and most insulting of all, he had the ability to click something in his hand to electrocute either of them. And Gordon is a doctor, he'd know something is off if there's no decomposition (yes, bodies decompose by the hours, especially in damp, cold places) and trust me you don't have to watch someone non-stop to notice that he is or isn't breathing. Considering that they think he's dead, they'd be damned aware about ANY sort of movement the man does.

They had told me that he had taken some sort of numbing drug. Which makes little sense too, because it's pretty silly that the drug would numb breathing movement but wouldn't numb him enough to press the electroshock button. A big fucking coincidence too that the drug wore off at the exact moment everything 'came together' so the movie can conviniently tie itself up.

But the most important thing is that the twist didn't change anything for anyone in that situation. It was there to shock you and me and that's it. If Jigsaw had never gotten on his feet? Exactly what would've been the difference to the characters' contexts? Nothing. He stood up, said a one-liner and left. Nothing changed for Adam, Zep or Gordon.

[MadsenOMC]

Well-said X-Nightcrawler. Bourne, he miraculously times every single one of his breaths for when they aren't looking? Please. I can't imagine you actually believe that.

[Bourne101]

What are you talking about. Times his breaths? I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. And if you haven't noticed in the however many years you've been alive, that people can squint and it looks like their eyes are closed. He obviously didn't have his eyes completely closed the whole time.

And it's just a movie anyway. Not everything in movies has to be 100% beleiveable. But Jigsaw is a smooth motherfucker and I am 100% certain that his character could pull it off.

[optimus1]

Its possible sure , maybe he was very good at breathing through his nose :rolleyes: Of course it was ridiculous and I did say to myself shortly after he got up that although I am shocked ( and thought it was a decent twist ) I would have been more shocked if it made more sense that it was possible for him to play dead in front of them both for such a long time and for neither of them to notice he wasn't. Still a good movie as was 2 and 3 will be fun too...this one makes 35 million easy its first weekend.

[slapshot63]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
But the most important thing is that the twist didn't change anything for anyone in that situation. It was there to shock you and me and that's it. If Jigsaw had never gotten on his feet? Exactly what would've been the difference to the characters' contexts? Nothing. He stood up, said a one-liner and left. Nothing changed for Adam, Zep or Gordon.

No, it didn't change anything for anyone in the situation but it changed everythig for the audience. Up until that point we all though Zepp was Jigsaw. Not one person suspected that the man on the floor was Jigsaw and/or alive (unless you're one of the people who claim they expected the twist). Did it shock the audience? Yup but that twist wasn't meant to change things for the characters. The only thing it changed for them (Adam) was that he now knew who ran the show. In Saw II it was different because the twist changed everything for everyone. They were two different twists meant to do different things. The only thing they have in common is that they're twists. Oh and he didn't take any drugs like some people suspect or claim. They didn't notice he was alive because they were confident he was dead and he didn't really have a big part in their game. They were more worried about surviving than inspecting the man on the floor.

And just for clarification, I am talking to you this time just so there is no confusion.

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler


But the most important thing is that the twist didn't change anything for anyone in that situation. It was there to shock you and me and that's it. If Jigsaw had never gotten on his feet? Exactly what would've been the difference to the characters' contexts? Nothing. He stood up, said a one-liner and left. Nothing changed for Adam, Zep or Gordon.

Gordon might of gotten away. At this point your lead to believe Gordon will get away and get help. The twist compleatly changed that and lead to a grim ending.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by slasherfan
Gordon might of gotten away. At this point your lead to believe Gordon will get away and get help. The twist compleatly changed that and lead to a grim ending.



*just for the record, I never saw the twist to Saw coming, I was truly amazed by it.

Gordon probably didn't get very far. He cut off his foot. He would've been bleeding to death when he was crawling. Also, in Saw II, it would show him somewhere near the room dead and rotting. I know Adam and Zepp's bodies were shown already rotting down. But, That is one scenerio, Gordon could've been alive and gotten out of the house or whatever it was in Saw, But you have to think, would Jigsaw see Gordon in the hallway and kill him? or torture him by letting him slowly die by the bleeding from the stub of the foot? I mean, it is alot of thinking when it comes to the ending of Saw and Saw II . I mean, I bet we'll see Donnie Walhberg's corpse in this third one.

[someguy]

Originally posted by Bourne101
What are you talking about. Times his breaths? I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. And if you haven't noticed in the however many years you've been alive, that people can squint and it looks like their eyes are closed. He obviously didn't have his eyes completely closed the whole time.

And it's just a movie anyway. Not everything in movies has to be 100% believable. But Jigsaw is a smooth motherfucker and I am 100% certain that his character could pull it off.

What in the hell? Why do you keep trying to give some logic to him passing that off, there obviously is none. I mean, squinting real hard makes people think your eyes are closed? Stop scrounging at the bottom of the barrel. And now since you figured out that trying to explain a guy pretending to be dead for hours in a small room with two other people is ridiculous to think of it as plausible you pull out the typical 'it's only a movie it doesn't have to be 100% believable' card. Well if you thought that all along why did you just waste all that time trying to explain to us how this unbelievable thing could actually happen?

The twist in Saw was so retarded because it came out of nowhere and looked like the writer wanted to throw some 'cool twist' in there to distract people from the shitty Seven ripoff they just watched. Maybe if they pulled it off in a way that wasn't so half assed I wouldn't be so annoyed by it. It's the same as Haute Tension's retard o rama twist ending, so unnecessary. Plus I have to give a hand to the marketing geniuses over at Lions Gate for giving away every single trap in the film before the movie came out which got rid of any surprise or tension factor throughout the entire thing.

What really makes me laugh is when people think that Saw and Saw II were so smart in their writing and twists. That's a real huge laugh. Okay, rant over I guess haha.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Well-said X-Nightcrawler. Bourne, he miraculously times every single one of his breaths for when they aren't looking? Please. I can't imagine you actually believe that.

There are people in the world that can actually do that.

[Mr.HyDe807]

:POSSIBLE SPOILER:

Yeah, i love how everyone said how insane Saw twist was, but i really was just like "okay, touche you blad son of a bitch". To me, Seven's ending was mind blowing (you all can agree to disagree) and wiped the floor with Saw.

[slasherfan]

While we're talking about Seven, what was in the box at the end, did it ever actully say?

[someguy]

MEGA SPOILERS FOR SEVEN










It was Gwyneth Paltrow's head.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by slapshot63
No, it didn't change anything for anyone in the situation but it changed everythig for the audience. Up until that point we all though Zepp was Jigsaw. Not one person suspected that the man on the floor was Jigsaw and/or alive (unless you're one of the people who claim they expected the twist). Did it shock the audience? Yup but that twist wasn't meant to change things for the characters. The only thing it changed for them (Adam) was that he now knew who ran the show. In Saw II it was different because the twist changed everything for everyone. They were two different twists meant to do different things. The only thing they have in common is that they're twists. Oh and he didn't take any drugs like some people suspect or claim. They didn't notice he was alive because they were confident he was dead and he didn't really have a big part in their game. They were more worried about surviving than inspecting the man on the floor.

And just for clarification, I am talking to you this time just so there is no confusion. Let's begin here. As long as you agree thta it changed nothing for the characters, then fine. I think that's not good writing. What's important in a twist is that it makes sense in its context, it has to be relevant in its context. A twist JUST to shock audiences isn't good writing. Seeing it coming or not isn't important. If suddenly after two hours of the movie a meteor fell I'm sure we'd ALL be shocked, too. It's not clever, it just happens.

And I know you're talking to me. As you noticed before, I can easily tell.

*just for the record, I never saw the twist to Saw coming, I was truly amazed by it.

Gordon probably didn't get very far. He cut off his foot. He would've been bleeding to death when he was crawling. Also, in Saw II, it would show him somewhere near the room dead and rotting. I know Adam and Zepp's bodies were shown already rotting down. But, That is one scenerio, Gordon could've been alive and gotten out of the house or whatever it was in Saw, But you have to think, would Jigsaw see Gordon in the hallway and kill him? or torture him by letting him slowly die by the bleeding from the stub of the foot? I mean, it is alot of thinking when it comes to the ending of Saw and Saw II . I mean, I bet we'll see Donnie Walhberg's corpse in this third one. Did Jigsaw interfere in Gordon's escape? If he did then a bigger problem comes because the 'uniqueness' in Jigsaw is that he wants his victims to live (I'm quoting other Saw fans in that other thread in General Horror) . . . eventhough so did the killer in Seven with some of the victims and the killer in Phone Booth. This is funny because he KEEPS defying his own logic, and it would be just easier for me to show that his logic is flawed if he interfered in Gordon's escape. There, he showed his will to live, now why the FUCK are you going back there to kill him? And if he didn't, then my point about his waking up not changing anything stands. There is no loophole here. It's bad writing either way you want to look at it.

There are people in the world that can actually do that. What? Time their breathing so the people around him don't notice he's breathing? They can? Awesome. But how many Cancer ridden patients who've been lying on a floor for over 6 hours can do that? Again, I can't possibly see this making sense.

But yes, it's a movie. If we all agreed that it's not exactly well written and that it makes no sense then I'll shut up for good.

[Phatmaster]

Though I do agree that shock endings work so much better when they have to do with the context of the film... still Saw's ending was pretty damn cool.

And with that being said from the looks of the latest trailers Saw III will be revisting that very ending. Maybe finally giving us some insight on how the hell Jigsaw kept himself just laying there for hours.

[MadsenOMC]

X-Nightcrawler and someguy have already done an excellent job here, but I have to throw in my two cents. How exactly does a person perfectly time their breathing over a period of hours so that the other two people in the room, one of whom is a doctor, never actually see him breathing? And yeah, he's a cancer patient for fuck's sake. It's just stupid and ridiculous. If they explain how he does it in this one it's too cover their tracks. Trying to logically explain this is really grasping at straws, to say the least.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by Phatmaster
Maybe finally giving us some insight on how the hell Jigsaw kept himself just laying there for hours. They better. If they do that it's because they're aware it makes no sense in the way they wrote it.

[MadsenOMC]

Fans might find this interesting. At a Saw III press conference, Darren Bousman, Leigh Whannell and James Wan announced that they are now done with the Saw movies.

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by slasherfan
While we're talking about Seven, what was in the box at the end, did it ever actully say?

Kevin Spacey's character almost explicitly says what it's in the box.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Fans might find this interesting. At a Saw III press conference, Darren Bousman, Leigh Whannell and James Wan announced that they are now done with the Saw movies.
Thank God.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
Thank God.

They also gave their blessings for others to continue the series. :)

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
They also gave their blessings for others to continue the series. :)
Yeah, but I won't let curiousity get the better of me and get dragged to see it with friends if I can say "Nope, the original creators aren't on board, it can't get much worse." :p
Unless I'm then told by someone whose opinion I trust, I'm just gonna ignore any more entries.

[thedamnwolfman]

Maybe Uwe Boll will pick it up. It would at least become a laughable joke instead of an unwatchable pile of shit.

[Bourne101]

3 more days! I cannot wait. I don't care what anyone says, this movie is going to be fucking insane!

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by Bourne101
3 more days! I cannot wait. I don't care what anyone says, this movie is going to be fucking insane!

Ditto. Just picked up the 2 disc special edition SAW II which has me even more jacked to see it.

[MadsenOMC]

Anyone going to see the trilogy on Thursday night? Some of the theaters near me are showing all three, starting with the first one at 8. If I liked the movies, that would sound like fun. I think they're charging $20. Something like that.

[Bourne101]

I would do that, but I have the first two on DVD which is fine with me and I'd rather see Saw III on Friday.

[parsonz]

thats an awsome idea its a shame that other cinemas are not that creative and dont do nothing exiting like that near me

[slasherfan]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Anyone going to see the trilogy on Thursday night? Some of the theaters near me are showing all three, starting with the first one at 8. If I liked the movies, that would sound like fun. I think they're charging $20. Something like that.

My local theater are doing this on Halloween Night.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Okay everyone and their mothers know that I don't like the series but I'm very, VERY impressed with the marketing campaign for "Saw III". Eventhough the trailers don't really give you insight of any plot it might (but hopefully won't) have, the editing was always awesome.

I just watched that odd Saw III on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqAbPfraJ_g) bit which I thought was awesome. That plus the blood drive, the real-blood posters, etc. They're really cranking it up. Almost makes me want to watch it in theatres.

[CyclicNightmare]

"This second sequel truly impressed me on many levels. I really didn't think it could be that good!"

"As the end credits for SAW III rolled, I half expected the words O-W-N-E-D to pop up on the screen as that's what the film did...IT OWNED ME. Cleverly written, packed with substance, strong characters, warped traps and hard to watch kills that made me their bitch, I couldn't have asked for a better way for this franchise to end. "

These are some quotes from The Arrow's very positive review. (http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=1129)

My anticipation just shot even higher. I am so excited.

[MadsenOMC]

He loved it. I am shocked. Never saw that one coming. And by the way, the franchise is not ending. Wan, Bousman and Whannell are done, but the series is not.

[someguy]

The Arrow gave a 4/4 for Saw and a 3/4 for Saw II, so this is not surprising at all. Plus, in the review he said that the only people going to really like Saw III are the people who enjoyed Saw and Saw II. Hopefully Arrow is right in the toning down of the retarded editing scheme for the movie, but judging by the clips I've seen so far it hasn't exactly made a major change.

[Shockwave]

..my manager got to see this early. Bastard wont even tell me what happens cause itll "ruin the movie for me".


He said its his favorite horror movie so far this year, but hes probably just saying that cause he knows how bad i want to see it. :mad: ( Both Silent Hill and The Descent are pretty high on my list of overall best movies this year, so i reaaaaaaally doubt itll beat either of them.)

Needless to say, im pumped for this now after reading Arrows review.

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
He loved it. I am shocked. Never saw that one coming. And by the way, the franchise is not ending. Wan, Bousman and Whannell are done, but the series is not.
True. Lions Gate will want to milk it for all that it's worth. To me, since Wan, Bousman, and Whannell are done, the Saw franchise is done.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare

"As the end credits for SAW III rolled, I half expected the words O-W-N-E-D to pop up on the screen as that's what the film did...IT OWNED ME. Cleverly written, packed with substance, strong characters, warped traps and hard to watch kills that made me their bitch, I couldn't have asked for a better way for this franchise to end. " Right, just like the thought Saw and Saw II were 'well written'.

I knew Arrow would love it (though I was expecting a 3/4, not a 3 and a half) and since I disagreed so much on his previous reviews of the Saw franchise, this one means jack-all to me.

But hey, I'll be seeing it on theatres, just got in the mood for a movie like this. Gore and more gore. Hopefully it'll really surprise me (after all, I loved both Saw and Saw II right after seeing it, so I might do the same thing this time).

[someguy]

Hahaha, X you hypocrite. Stop whining about the Saw movies when they come out if you're contributing to the reason why they keep getting made :)

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
He loved it. I am shocked. Never saw that one coming. And by the way, the franchise is not ending. Wan, Bousman and Whannell are done, but the series is not.

Like Someguy posted above he loved Saw and dug Saw II, it's hardly a surprise, AT ALL. I am surprised, No I'm shocked you didn't see it coming.

Anyways, I'm seeing Saw III sunday, really looking forward to it considering I loved the first 2 movies.

[brodeurnumber1]

Originally posted by MisterTwister
Like Someguy posted above he loved Saw and dug Saw II, it's hardly a surprise, AT ALL. I am surprised, No I'm shocked you didn't see it coming.


Madsen was being sarcastic.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by brodeurnumber1
Madsen was being sarcastic.

Ok

[MadsenOMC]

Yes Madsen was being very sarcastic.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by someguy
Hahaha, X you hypocrite. Stop whining about the Saw movies when they come out if you're contributing to the reason why they keep getting made :) Be quiet. I whine because people think they're 'well written' and 'thought provoking' (and most insulting of all, 'saving horror'), I've never changed my mind about that.

Like I said, I don't think they're total aberrations (5 and 6/10 respectively), what bothers me is the status they have as 'intelligent'. If people realized they're terribly stupid but still went to see them to see people get killed in grisly ways, I wouldn't care about them getting made.

But if every year, I get "So goddamn smart!" on movies that are so incredibly dumb, then I want them to stop.

[CaptainKoons]

I can't fracking wait till 7pm on the 26th!...the whole trilogy will be playing at the new theatre in town and we've already got our tickets...the SAW movies are some of my all time favs. Say what you will about the SAW movies, cuz I really don't care if people dispise it, because I'm completely ignorant :P and thuroughly obsessed muhahahaha

[veddhead83]

FIRST REVIEW **** May Contain SPOILERS****

An absolute fantastic way to 'end' this trilogy. Now I know you guys all say there is a "Saw 4" and "Saw 5" in the works, however, they won't be the same without a certain somebody to carry on the franchise. Anyway, on to the review.

It starts off with killing after killing after killing and then the plot starts. 2 key characters from previous films and 1 other are killed off faster than you can say "Eli Roth's Hostel Part 2" looks terrible.

The gore factor is the highest it has been all series. The story stays true to the previous films, the acting is average - of course Tobin is creepy as usual. Is it just me or is Shawnee Smith hot?!?!?! Anywho - the traps are very clever. My favorite is the shotgun shell collar - what, I like to hunt.

This film did have a lot of flashbacks. I usually don't care for flashbacks, but this film did it in a style that I didn't find annoying. The same creepy theme music is still here, which I found myself listening for.

I was very entertained by this film. But, as much as I enjoyed it, I hope it ends here. I hope Lionsgate realizes they have a gem of a trilogy and leaves it alone. "Saw 3" is one of the Best Horror Films of 2006!!! This puts "Hostel," "The Hills Have Eyes," and everything else in the slasher genre this year to shame.

[Bourne101]

I have my tickets for 2:15 tomorrow afternoon. The box-office clerk said the tickets were half sold for that showing, so it should be a decent crowd considering Friday matinees during the school/work year are always empty.

I seriously cannot fucking wait. Been thinking about it all day.

[daddiefatsacks]

***SPOILERS******

A fitting ending to the series that won't end after this most likely. The first 15 minutes are pretty intense, lots of gore and insanity, then the film kind of goes on cruise control, with the side story involving a man losiing his child, and his quest for forgivness or whatever jigsaw wants to get out of him, also some cool flashbacks involving Jigsaw and Amanda, how certain situations ended up in Saw I and II which added to the completion of the series. THEY SORT OF EXPLAIN HOW JIGSAW MANAGED TO STAY SO STILL IN THE FIRST ONE THE WHOLE TIME.

This isnt the goriest horror film of the year, and its not the best. The acting is actually quite well done, Bohar Somekh is a cutie and actually does well in this role. The weakest i thought was Shawnee Smith as amanda, delivering the corniest lines throughout the movie "Shut up Cunt!" and i think the other one was "fix him motherfucker!". I also hated some of Angus McFadyen's scenes, where he was contemplating what to do when certain situations arose...he just STOOD there while each toy started to react.

Overall, a fun finish, definately better than the 2nd movie, but i don't think as good as the first. I really hope this ends the saw saga, but we all know it wont.

game over.

Saw I - 7/10
Saw II - 4/10
Saw III - 6/10

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Just got back from the midnight show, brief overview...

Best of the 3, makes the message of the entire trilogy come across as well as possible, and Shawnee IS the movie, even upstaging Tobin.

More detail later, now I need sleep.

*Somewhat spoilerish*

It was a great wrap up, and I'm glad it wasn't a lead in to another film. If the franchise continues and the quality dwindles, it'll always be a superb trilogy.

[CaptainKoons]

WOW! All 3 movies back to back...We didn't get the Hostel 2 trailer, but that's okay cuz it was the first time I got to see the 300 trailer on the silver screen. Watching them all in a row was excellent, and if your a big fan, do it...watch the dvds before you go see the 3rd...it will knock your socks off!

because i'm a saw-nerd i give all 3 movies 10/10 just for being so damn...sawey?

[Bourne101]

83 % on rottentomatoes! But only 6 reviews, lol. Well, only a few more hours for me and I will be sitting in a 300 seat auditorium with my popcorn and pop, watching this insane looking movie unfold.

[ZenDude]

SawIII = Awesome! A fine horror trilogy for my collection! :)

[Bourne101]

Some spoilers (if you don't want some traps ruined, don't read the third paragraph)

The movie starts of with Donnie Whalberg in the bathroom, doing everything he can do to stay alive. It is an intense scene, and a great way to kick off the movie. Then we see some other traps, deaths etc. And then we move on to the main story. Jigsaw is near death and needs help to stay alive, with the help of new apprentice Amanda, they kidnap Lynn. Her task is to keep Jigsaw alive long enough for Jeff to finish his series of task which teach him the meaning of forgiveness. Jeff makes it through, making tough decisions for the lives of people that were related to the incident of his son being killed. He tries hard to forgive, but sometimes it is not enough. And Amanda is upset with Jigsaw and we see flashbacks of times back in the first and second Saw when Jigsaw and Amanda were accociated with each other. Then things start cooking up and I will stop there, so I don't give away any of the crazy twists and plot turns.

There's no doubt about it, the twists really make the movie. This one isn't as hard to figure out as the first one was when I first saw it. But you're concentrating on so many other things, that you completely forget about any clues you may have had before thinking about other things going on. The script was so well written, but don't go to this without seeing the first two, or you may be left in the dust, or it just won't be as enjoyable.

This is probably the goriest movie I've ever seen. We see such things as feet crushed, skin ripped apart from chains, ribs removed, pig guts, frozen bodies and body parts twisted 360 degrees. Oh yes, there was a shit load of fucking blood!

The acting was pretty solid all around. I don't have any complaints and boy did Tobin Bell pull it off. He played the ill, but sharp Jigsaw perfectly. No complaints in this department.

The directing was very well done. It was dark in places but shot extremely well, in a gritty fashion that us horror fans all love. Kudos to the directing.

If you enjoyed Saw or Saw II, there is no doubt you will enjoy this. Personally I think overall it's better than both. Saw's acting wasn't great which brought it down a bit. And Saw II's shock factor and twists were nothing special. If you enjoy psychological thrillers, you will love it. If you like gore/violence, you will love it. Walk into this movie with a positive attitude towards it, and I can almost garuntee that you will walk out a happy person.

10/10

[MadsenOMC]

It is perfect? Not a single flaw? Excuse me while I go puke my fucking guts out.

[Bourne101]

Sure, there are some flaws. But only people that have an extremely negative attiude, will be bothered by them.

[MadsenOMC]

If there are flaws, which you admit, then the movie is not perfect, and your 10/10 rating is not accurate.

[someguy]

Now you're just getting picky Madsen.

[Bourne101]

Okay, your favorite movie is Heat. I assume you rated that 10/10. I am pretty sure there are some flaws in Heat. I've seen it probably 4 or 5 times. And it is a great movie, probably a 9, mabye even 10/10. But it does have some flaws. Saw III doesn't have very many flaws and the flaws that there are, they don't effect the movie at all.

[MadsenOMC]

Sorry but you are wrong someguy. I have long said that I think people throw around 10/10 ratings way too easily. This appears to be another case of that, since he admits the movie has flaws. It's not the end of the world, but I don't think it's being too picky. I always think long and hard before I rate a movie. It matters to me.

[Bourne101]

And it may be a cliche, but no movie is perfect.

[someguy]

I really think you're just finding any excuse possible to complain about the Saw movies.

[MadsenOMC]

This has nothing to do with the Saw movies someguy, so again, you are wrong here. This has to do with the tendency of some people to throw around 10/10 ratings too easily. It is something I have discussed before. I'm sorry but it's something that bugs me. I realize it isn't a huge deal, but I don't feel like it is being too picky.

[NCarter]

I thought it was great
10/10

Amazing flick

[someguy]

You said you wanted to throw up at the thought of a Saw film getting 10/10 unless you meant your people throwing around 10/10s too easily, in which case I would think that you must be easily sickened.

[X-Nightcrawler]

I'm glad Saw III is getting the exact buzz I was expecting from it ("It's not great but very entertainign.") Since I'm going for it with very low expectations and craving for gore, I'll probably enjoy it.

Hopefully I will.

What's funny is that apparently they explain Jigsaw's method for staying on the floor in the first, which only makes me right. They did realize that the way they wrote it, makes no sense. Hopefully their explanation does, even if there's no possible way to actually 'make sense' of the movies.

I saw Saw II yesterday and really realized that those two movies are so very dead to me. Every time I watch them I see more stuff wrong with them. I'm hoping Saw III will be a fresh start and one movie in the series I can enjoy.

[TylerDurden182]

Saw III- 8/10

Better than the second one.

[SpikeDurden]

Eh. What's there to say? There was some fun gore and torture scenes, some decent acting, the same ridiculous and totally unnecesary over-the-top direction, and a mildly interesting story. The film did a goob job of filling in some holes and tying things up from the first two films, and it really does feel like the final film. There was some thought provoking stuff towards the end about Jigsaw's motivations and whatnot, but the last 20 minutes or so is far too talky and preachy for this kind of movie, too much exposition is given out via dialouge, and it all happens so fast that ideas that could've made for a cooler twist or revelation are all but lost. Throw in some unnecesary super fast montages of all 3 films and you have an ending that isn't quite the kick in the ass that the first two provided. It's my least favorite in the trilogy, it just isn't all that fun anymore.

Saw - ***
Saw II - ***
Saw III - **

[TornDaredevil]

Before I review, here are my ratings for the first two...

Saw - 6/10
Saw II - 7/10

As for Saw III. Man, did this suck... It had gore in spades, but gore does not equal a good movie. First of all, aren't horror movies supposed to be scary??? The first movie was mildly scary, the second one wasn't but I actually liked the twists and turns in it. This one was totally disjointed, the twists were manufactured, and the screenplay was lame, lame, lame, and the payoff wasn't worth all of the fuss that it took to get there. Shame on everyone involved, except Tobin Bell and Shawnee Smith. They did what they could with an awful script. Also... I don't mind gore, but this was waaaaayyyy too excessive, almost vomit-inducing. When will people realize that it's what you don't see that's scary?

4/10

If you gave this a 10/10, run, don't walk, to your doctor. Immediately.

[Lazy Boy]

If anybody wants to see Saw III unspoiled, DO NOT go on the IMDB message boards. Some dumb fuck gives it away in the title of the thread, then casually puts "*spoiler*" after it, and then he has the tenacity to say that he didn't spoil the movie.

Just giving a heads up for any schmoe who's excited to see the outcome.

Of course, that's what I get for going on that site, but just letting others know.

[TornDaredevil]

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
If anybody wants to see Saw III unspoiled, DO NOT go on the IMDB message boards. Some dumb fuck gives it away in the title of the thread, then casually puts "*spoiler*" after it, and then he has the tenacity to say that he didn't spoil the movie.

Just giving a heads up for any schmoe who's excited to see the outcome.

Of course, that's what I get for going on that site, but just letting others know.

LOL... that happened to me today before I saw the movie, although I don't really care anymore because it wasn't totally shocking.

[Bourne101]

TornDaredevil, I see where you are coming from and I see why you don't like it, but for people like me who are huge horror fans, and huge Saw fans, this movie was made to near perfection to end the series. There were some minor flaws, but nothing serious that ruined any plot or sub-plot that there was.

As for the ending, well some people say they aren't shocked, but they're probably only saying it because they didn't like the movie and by the ending point they really could care less. Which is what your situation was.

Obviously, you are not a huge horror fan, or you would've given this higher than 4/10. And only a 7/10 for the first one, I can tell you aren't much of a Saw fan.

I see where you're coming from, but this movie is a horror fan's dream. And you're right about the gore. It's so excessive, I don't know how this got by the MPAA. It had to be cut 7 times or something like that, but by their usual standards, there should've been a few more cuts. Didn't bother me though, this movie showed some balls with no quick cuts and extremely graphic images.

I still stand with my 10/10. I enjoyed every single second of it and that's what I look for in a movie, entertainment. A boring movie like The Queen get's 10/10's and ****/**** from critics for its acting and camera work but did it really entertain them all that much? That's why movies like The Departed are loved by everyone because there is all the fancy shmancy stuff that critics like, plus the superb entertainment value.

[SpikeDurden]

Originally posted by Bourne101
Obviously, you are not a huge horror fan, or you would've given this higher than 4/10.


How can you generalize like that? That's just ridiculous and offensive and horribly close minded.


Boo.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by Bourne101
Obviously, you are not a huge horror fan, or you would've given this higher than 4/10. Oh give me a fucking break.

[AWP82]

As much as it pains me to admit it (X and Madsen are gonna love me for this...), I was disappointed.

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD*

First of all, is it just me or was all the dialogue too quiet? I could barely hear it over the sound effects and score. I was going "huh?...what??...wait, what happened?" throughout the whole thing and barely got the gist of what was going on, besides what I could figure out from the images onscreen. Speaking of which, I could hardly see shit either. The cinematography was too dark, and the fast MTV editing certainly didn't help (even though there was less of it than in the previous movies). The score was nice though. I'll give it that.

Second of all, the plot was a little hard to follow. From what I gather, we pick up where Saw 2 left off. Donnie Wahlberg dies (I guess) trying to escape from the bathroom, then it jumps right to another victim/death. The guy had chains hooked into his skin, he rips them all out but doesn't beat the timer set for him, and...well....something happens to him. I couldn't really tell what the trap was or how it killed him (possibly due to the dark cinematography). Then we jump to another victim...Dina Meyer. The "reason" behind her death made no sense to me. All I know is she died....for some reason I either can't remember, or couldn't understand. Then we finally get to the main story....some guy and his wife are kidnapped. Their son was killed in a car accident, and the people responsible for it were also captured. The guy has to either save the people responsible, or let them die.....or else...umm....I don't know, that's all I remember. Meanwhile, the wife has to save Jigsaw's life, or else she's rigged (by a trap) to die along with him if he flatlines. Where does Amanda fit into all this? Well, it turns out Jigsaw was testing her all along, and she somehow failed the test. So she gets mad at Jigsaw, kills the woman trying to save him, the husband shows up and kills Amanda, then kills Jigsaw, and the movie ends. Whatever the big "twist" was, I missed it. I didn't know what to make of the ending. All I know is we find out more history between Jigsaw and Amanda, and the moral of the story is "nobody changes." That's it. I couldn't make out the rest. The story was too convoluted. Everything I just said is the best conclusion I can come up with. Otherwise, I didn't "get" the movie.

All that aside, I was mildly entertained. I got the basic gist of the story (in a "fitting ending to a trilogy" way). The gore/effects were good too. The script could've used a major polish though.

Saw 8/10
Saw 2 7.5/10
Saw 3 6/10

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by AWP82
As much as it pains me to admit it (X and Madsen are gonna love me for this...), I was disappointed. I'll only love you for that if I'm dissapointed too. Remember! I actually want to enjoy this one!

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by Bourne101
And it may be a cliche, but no movie is perfect.
*ahem*

http://www.afilm.nl/film/poster/RELx550/00000711.jpg

. . . I know what you're thinking right now after seeing that.

. . . you're wrong about it.

[someguy]

City of God is way way way better than Constant Gardener even though they're both pretty excellent.

[Bourne101]

Not sure I follow, but whatever.

[TornDaredevil]

Obviously, you are not a huge horror fan, or you would've given this higher than 4/10.

You couldn't be more wrong, I LOVE horror movies. Halloween, Psycho, Evil Dead, and Nightmare on Elm Street are some personal favorites. However, I like horror movies to be at least moderately scary, and if not scary, humorous. Excessive gore with zero humor doesn't really work, IMO. And I am a "Saw fan." I thought the first was decent although overrated, and thought the second one was even better. Saw III just suffered from a weak as hell script, underdeveloped characters (why the fuck was I supposed to care about that Jeff guy?), and manufactured twists. I think a 4/10 was actually pretty kind, all things considered. I'm not bashing anyone who dug this movie (although if you dug it because you love massive gore, that's kind of sick), but a 10/10 is pretty ridiculous. I take 10/10 to mean instant classic, of which I have seen none this year and probably the last couple years. But you have the right to that opinion. It's all good.

[ChemicalRomance]

What is wrong with you people? This is one of the very worst films of the year, and I loved the original..

[chinton]

Didn't anybody find this movie boring as Hell. Just more of the same. And for everybody going on about how it has deep characteer moments give me a break. Sure I like Amanda's and Jigsaw's relationship but Jeff and Lynne were so underdeveloped. And the gore was just ridiculous. I mean are we actually supposed to take these traps seriously anymore.

Also does anybody actually like Jigsaw's expouding anymore. It seems like his dialogue just got more and more silly as the movie went on.

I am offcially done with Saw.

3/10

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by chinton
Didn't anybody find this movie boring as Hell. Just more of the same. And for everybody going on about how it has deep characteer moments give me a break. Sure I like Amanda's and Jigsaw's relationship but Jeff and Lynne were so underdeveloped. And the gore was just ridiculous. I mean are we actually supposed to take these traps seriously anymore.

Also does anybody actually like Jigsaw's expouding anymore. It seems like his dialogue just got more and more silly as the movie went on.

I am offcially done with Saw.

3/10

Same rating, fuck this series.

I'm amazed that people on this board actually like this film. Stunned, actually.

[ChemicalRomance]

Hahhahahahahahah the best example of how pathetic this movie is.

You know the flashy, quick cutting, fast motion sequences? As if they weren't bad enough in the Saw films?

At one point in this film WHEN A CHARCTER IS OPENING AN ENVELOPE, these mechanics are used.

OH NO QUICK CUTS SOMEONES NOT USING A LETTER OPENER

[TylerDurden182]

Even though I enjoyed number 3, I am in total agreement that this series should now be killed.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Same rating, fuck this series.

I'm amazed that people on this board actually like this film. Stunned, actually.


Weren't you going around saying SAW IS THE SHIT when the first one came out?

[dman476]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Weren't you going around saying SAW IS THE SHIT when the first one came out?
Actually, yeah, he was. :)
Drew told me in another thread that he liked the first one a lot, but not the others. (His ratings):
Saw - 9/10
Saw II - 4/10
Saw III - 3/10

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
What is wrong with you people? This is one of the very worst films of the year, and I loved the original..

You are starting to sound like Madsen.



"SAW IS RUINING HORRRORRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!"

[toxie321]

I definately think the series needs to be stopped. I liked Saw (7/10) but definately thought it was overrated. I really didn't like the 2nd (4/10). This one was just ok in my mind(5-6/10). I understood......well kinda why the girl was there....but why the guy???

****SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER****


What is so bad about a guy who is just mourning the loss of his son? I mean ya he thought about killing the guy but he still remained a good parent, and never killed anyone so i dont really know why he deserved all of that. I thought it was supposed to be druggies and murderers and people like that, not a regular guy who didn't really do anything.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Originally posted by someguy
City of God is way way way better than Constant Gardener even though they're both pretty excellent. As long as you think Constant Gardener is 'excellent', you're awesome.

. . . and I haven't seen City of God, but since it's Fernando Mireilles, I don't see it being anything under 'a masterpiece'. So you're forgiven.

And all these low Saw III ratings aren't helping my expectations! Just say it's awesome so I can think it is and be dissapointed and throw the series out the window for good!

[#1dvdfan]

i just seen saw III today and WOW!!! am i fucking SCHOCKED!!! what a way to end the saw franchice.

SAW - 10/10
SAW II - 9/10
SAW III - 8.5/10

All i got to say is this for true horror fans is the NEW star wars trilogy IMHO. STAR WARS EAT YOUR FUCKING HEART OUT!!!

GAME OVER!!!

[#1dvdfan]

Originally posted by #1dvdfan
i just seen saw III today and WOW!!! am i fucking SCHOCKED!!! what a way to end the saw franchice.

SAW - 10/10
SAW II - 9/10
SAW III - 8.5/10

All i got to say is this for true horror fans is the NEW star wars trilogy IMHO. STAR WARS EAT YOUR FUCKING HEART OUT!!!

GAME OVER!!!

[X-Nightcrawler]

You know the fact that people keep saying that only 'true horror fans' will appreciate this movie makes it sound dumber. It also makes horror fans and horror in general sound bad. Stop doing that.

[Shockwave]

I really liked it.

SAW 1- 6/1O

SAW 2- 8/10

SAW 3- 8/10

I thought it was a nice little madcap way to end the series(i know its not really ending)


..on a sie note, i reallyl dont care if they do continue the series. As long as i like them, bring it on. Sure beats the hell out of all the japanese ghost shit flooding the market.

[parsonz]

all the saw films are awsome and if people dont like them why watch them in the first place

[Seph]

Originally posted by parsonz
all the saw films are awsome and if people dont like them why watch them in the first place

So that you can know whether you actually will or won't like the film? As opposed to just saying "this sux" without having seen it? To give it the chance to entertain you by actually being good, or disappoint you by not being so good?

[GavinE]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Sorry but you are wrong someguy. I have long said that I think people throw around 10/10 ratings way too easily. This appears to be another case of that, since he admits the movie has flaws. It's not the end of the world, but I don't think it's being too picky. I always think long and hard before I rate a movie. It matters to me.

Yes, because you totally have the right to say what a person feels is perfect. Seriously Madsen, every year you come into the Saw thread and shit all over the movie and series. Why even bother posting in the thread if all you are going to do is go on the defensive about how these 10/10 ratings are outrageous? Who gives a flying fuck?Madsen, you know, you are allowed to post on the boards without becoming a member of the debate team or the Good Taste Police.

Anyway, about the film, I enjoyed the film a lot but I can see the series starting to get a bit stale. I say they maybe have one more good film left in them. The twist really didn't leave me in awe like last year but Leigh Whannel is the master of misleading dialogue and I was mildly floored by the surprise. I liked the underlying theme in this one more so than the second one which was basically people in a house doing mini-games. I also liked the unanswered questions at the end such as the tape Jigsaw poured wax on and what upset Amanda in the envelope. Other than that, it was a brutal and visceral film that I really enjoyed and might go see again and I will def be buying the DVD.

10/10(just fucking with you)

8.5/10

[veddhead83]

This thread is almost as bad as the TCM thread. What a polarizing film. People attacking each other like a riot. Crazy!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
What is wrong with you people? This is one of the very worst films of the year, and I loved the original..

What happened to respecting other people's opinions?


Anyway, I saw it late last night and I absolutely loved it. I would actually rank it above both Saw and Saw II.


*SPOILERS*














I love how there was actually a double twist at the end. Amanda was actually being tested and not the doctor, and the guy looking for his son's murderer was actually the doctor's husband. Gotta love that misleading dialogue. ;)

I don't see how there can be a SAW IV unless it's in a cheap direct to video fashion. John is dead, Amanda got a bullet in the throat and there's no way to survive that. So, basically, John's legacy--as Amanda once put it--is dead.












*END SPOILERS*









And, oh boy this movie was brutal. Anything that made you cringe in the first two movies is cake compared to what we see in SAW III. Take the most disturbing scene in SAW II and multiply it by a thousand. And that really isn't an exaggeration.

10/10....just to piss Madsen off. :)

[someguy]

Madsen was being picky, and now the people enjoying it are being even worse about it.

I'll say it now. Stop the bullshit. Say what you want and leave if you think you're just going to attack others. You love it? Awesome, congrats on having a good time. You hate it? That's too bad, maybe next time you'll see something better. Unless you wanna discuss over aspects of the movie, don't argue over people's rating schemes or other petty stuff like that. There shouldn't be a reason for this to turn into a 'saw sux' 'no u' 'no u' 'NO U' thread.

[chinton]

I just don't get how the traps were brutal or intense. I mean they were just so ridiculously over-the-top they were silly. At least the first film had a relative simplicity to the traps that made them scary and believable.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by chinton
I just don't get how the traps were brutal or intense. I mean they were just so ridiculously over-the-top they were silly. At least the first film had a relative simplicity to the traps that made them scary and believable.


*SPOILERS*






I wouldn't call them over the top. Someone getting their rib cage ripped open with no hope of escaping is just disturbing. Someone being torn apart by chains is disturbing. The point was that Amanda made the traps worse than Jigsaw ever did, because she didn't care about teaching them anything--she just wanted people to suffer.












*End Spoilers*


Madsen was being picky, and now the people enjoying it are being even worse about it.

If that was directed at me, my little remark was all in good fun. If people don't like the movie I don't care. Everyone has their opinion and that's great. But when someone attacks another for giving a movie like SAW a 10/10 by saying, "Excuse me while I go and puke my fucking guts out"---totally disrespecting someone else's opinion in the process, they're gonna get teased a bit for it.

[someguy]

It wasn't only you, others were just trying to spite Madsen for the fun of it.

[Bourne101]

A nice 14 million on Friday for Saw III! I hope this doesn't mean a sequel, because this one really did finish it in nice fashion IMO. But it's great to see that R-rated horror can make some decent cash at the box-office.

[ChemicalRomance]

Jesus christ dudeman shut up and know what you're talking about before you make a post.

[someguy]

u mad

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by someguy
u mad

Not so much as dudeman is mpulsive with non-sensical posting.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Not so much as dudeman is mpulsive with non-sensical posting.


Look who's talking, Mr. "I go around, saying that Saw III is the worse movie of the year, and that anybody that gives it a 10/10 sucks!"

[ChemicalRomance]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Look who's talking, Mr. "I go around, saying that Saw III is the worse movie of the year, and that anybody that gives it a 10/10 sucks!"

...Huh?

Okay, go in my favorite movies thread and lie about the movies you saw again. Come on, please?

[chinton]

Also for everybody who thinks this won't get a sequel just becuase of the ending is wrong. These movies are cheap to make and make lots of money. Thats all that matters. Death doesn't mean anything when a cheap to make horror film makes lots of money.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
...Huh?

Okay, go in my favorite movies thread and lie about the movies you saw again. Come on, please?


.....

You're kidding right?

If I see another above 9/10 for this movie I'm leaving this message board.

[Backstabba]

AHHHH!!!

If you guys keep fighting, this thread might actually be closed!
And the fact that I haven't seen it yet, and can't discuss it would be unfair...
UNFAIR!..

And to keep this post "movie related" I loved Saw, and thought Saw II was suprisingly good. The good reviews for Saw III are making me pretty damn excited since I thought both sequels would be horrible...

Yay Saw!

(P.S - Constant Gardener bored me to tears. But I wasn't paying much attention and felt under the weather.

Post a picture of a hamster with a pancake on his head and I'll consider a re-watch.)

[ChemicalRomance]

I'll end here becuase the two things dudeman just posted have no relation with each other so I don't see where all this one sided argument can go.

[TornDaredevil]

Spoilers...

To anyone who thinks the traps weren't stupid and over-the-top... What the fuck was with that chain of pigs that kept getting ground up and tossed onto that judge? That was so fucking stupid I burst out laughing. Oh my God!!! Either burn your dead son's toys or the judge will be drowned by liquified pig! Hahahahaha...

And... that Jeff guy really had no reason to be killed, or his wife, or the black guy who just ran over Jeff's kid by accident. Amanda was really the only one who deserved to die.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by Bourne101
A nice 14 million on Friday for Saw III! I hope this doesn't mean a sequel, because this one really did finish it in nice fashion IMO. But it's great to see that R-rated horror can make some decent cash at the box-office.
When was that ever a question?

[X-Nightcrawler]

Is this thread just like . . . refute everything everyone says?

[ToRontoRon]

I won't get into the he said/she said stuff in this thread, because some of it is a little ridiculous. I'll just go into my thoughts after seeing it...


****SPOILERS****


Not sure what to make of Saw 3. I liked parts of it, didn't like others. Not bad but not great either. Overall a 6/10 as a movie, but I might personally bump it up to 8, 9 or 10, just because I like the franchise and will go out of my way to ignore what I don't like about it.

It was more character driven than 2, which was good, but it didn't have that wow ending. Although, the double twist thing at the end was pretty cool, just not jaw dropping like the ends of the first 2 movies.

Definitely the goriest of the three. From ripping skin to ripping rib cages to twisting arms, feet and necks to removing parts of skull and slit throats... EEEWWWWW.


***Prediction for Saw 4 and I suppose a potential ***SAW 4 SURPRISE ENDING SPOILER*** if I'm actually right about some of it... My explanation could actually account for the mysterious tape toward the end of Saw 3. Because it accounts for this, it's at least possible that I could actually be at least partly right, so read at your own peril...***


As for Saw 4, I definitely think it will happen. Most importantly because apparently it's already been green lit. But also, since we still never saw Dr. Gordon or his corpse in Part 2, and the movie made a point of not showing Detective Matthews actually killed. Jigsaw just said that "I had to take care of it and clean up the mess" or something like that. But Jigsaw wouldn't have done that. He isn't a murderer, (by his logic at least), and in fact despises murderers. Matthews passed the test, (sort of), by fucking up his foot to get out of his chain. (Although he did fail his main test in Saw 2.) Besides, the "mess" he could be talking about would be the mess caused by choosing Amanda as a protege.

Maybe Dr. Gordon or Detective Matthews have been imprisoned the whole time somewhere by Jigsaw, and a Stockholm syndrome effect has happened to one or both of them, in that they have become close with their captor. Sort of like what happened with Amanda. Or Jigsaw uses actual brainwashing techniques to turn Gordon or Matthews into a killer. Jigsaw realizes that Amanda isn't the disciple he thought she was, and thus gives her one last test. If she passes, she's the disciple, if she fails, one of Gordon or Matthews is the new disciple. Perhaps they were even watching the whole thing play out with hidden cameras. There was no audio on those cameras since there was no audio on the cameras from Saw 1, therefore in his pocket Jigsaw had an audio tape recording the whole thing. Towards the end he switches the audio tape recording to his prerecorded message if Jeff failed his test. He then encases the recording in glue, (is that what it was, I forget?), so Jeff can't take it. Once Jeff leaves, Detective Matthews, (my prediction for the next killer), has a way of getting the tape out so he can study what Jigsaw did.

Also, perhaps Matthews was watching in a room that would automatically have the door open if Jigsaw's heart stopped, just like the contraption around the doctor's neck. Therefore if Amanda passed the test, Jigsaw's heart wouldn't stop and Matthews would remain trapped forever, but if she failed, that would lead to Jigsaw's heart stopping, the door would open, and Matthews would be able to get out when that happened.

Think about it, what was the point of Amanda not finishing Matthews off from a story writing perspective unless they want him alive. I mean the movie specifically went out of its way to take a character we thought was left for dead, and make it possible he isn't dead yet. And if they are going to make more movies, and want to tie them together to the first 3 somehow, (as opposed to just having some copycat killer, which would suck), the only logical conclusions for Jigsaw's protege would be Matthews or (outside chance), Gordon.

Also, the fact that both Matthews and Gordon both have missing feet, (I assume Matthews would have to amputate his foot), could lead to a whodunit between the two of them for the casual fan if the next Jigsaw is seen walking with a limp. The movie could make you think it's Gordon, then bam, it's Matthews, or vice versa.



***End Spoilers***

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
When was that ever a question?

Tyler_Durden_208, I don't know if you're being sarcasting and making fun of the back and fourth shit talking ceremony. But if you're serious, than get a life.

This all started because I gave this movie a 10/10. It's my opinion and everyone else has clearly stated their opinion. Now lets just talk about the movie in general, without so much hate talk. Things like writing reviews (people that haven't seen it), box-office, is there going to be a sequel or not etc.

And for people that haven't even seen the movie, and I'm not pointing people out because there are several. Stop trashing reviews and peoples opinions period. And don't talk about the reviews until you've actually viewed the movie.

And if you're not going to see it because you think it doesn't look very good, just simply state that.

[bob]

Very well thought out theory TorontoRon....I'd see a Saw IV no matter what, but if they did that it may actually be worth watching.


SPOILERS FOR SAW III


For me, the Saw movies are a tough nut to crack. I love to watch them, but I can easily see that they are often times poorly made. That being said:

Things I liked:
-They kind of admit that Jigsaw's puzzles suck, and that nobody learns from them. Think about it: the only person who survived one of his traps went from being a junkie to a serial killer. My problem has always been that he sucks at his whole "teaching people to appreciate life" bit, and this confirms it.
-Seeing Amanda get shot was AWESOME. I had been waiting that entire movie for someone to kill that bitch.
-I liked that Amanda and Jigsaw both die...not because it closes the door for a sequel, but just because they really fucking deserved it.
-The twists were good. I think it being Amanda's game was a great idea.
-Also, the setup that had Jeff running into all these other people allowed for a maximum amount of victims without crowding the narrative, like in Saw II.

Things I hated:
-Neither Lynn, Jeff, or their COMPLETELY INNOCENT DAUGHTER WHO'S LOCKED SOMEWHERE FOREVER deserved to be a part of this game, just because Jigsaw wanted to teach Amanda about mercy. If mercy is so important, how about sparing an innocent child of starving to death alone without her parents?
-Jeff spent at least 45 seconds at every trap just STANDING there. Yeah, I get it, he was deciding whether or not to help, but it just made it seem so stupid when he finally decides to help and the person is already frozen/ripped apart.
-For a film that is attempting to create a kind of myth around Jigsaw, he really goes out like a punk. It's proven his games don't help people, he sacrifices Lynn for no reason, and the little girl, too.


Whatever, it's a heavily flawed film. Fun to watch, a typical Saw experience, but it's got some really frustratingly stupid parts.

[Bourne101]

Great review Bob. I agree with most of what you are saying. I just like so many parts of the movie, that he flaws don't really bother me. But what you mentioned for the most part is correct.

And did anyone else not get the teaser for Hostel 2 with their print of Saw III? I didn't. I saw the trailer on the internet, but I was dissapointed because Lions Gate said they would attach it to all prints.

[Seph]

So... I didn't much care for the flick, for various reasons covered in most other reviews.

One thing that didn't really bother me so much, however, is the whole "Jeff, Lynn & their daughter didn't deserve this" aspect. I find it interesting (not knocking anyone's opinion mind you, just find it interesting) to see how many people bring that up as a flaw in the film, even people who liked the movie. It's horror, a genre wherein people who haven't done a thing wrong die rather often. In fact, I think it's more effective when people who don't deserve a grisly fate are subjected to it, as opposed to the ol' EC Comics style of horror where the only people to die are ones who have it coming one way or another.

Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly enjoy watching innocent people get slaughtered, even in fiction (well, good fiction at least, otherwise I'm too detached to "care" either way), but I do find that method of horror more effective. In fact, I thought that was one of the better aspects of Saw III, that they dropped the silly guise of Jigsaw "helping" people and went straight for the "he's a deranged, homicidal psychopath, as is his protege" angle.

[Scottyboy209]

i liked it, it had plenty of gore and the ending was pretty kick ass.
The Hostel Part II trailer was attached.

[Jig Saw 666]

Saw 9/10

Saw 2: 7/10

Saw 3: 8/10

[tsay1616]

i thought the ending wasnt that good...it was kind of predictable basically because you are looking for some sort of twist thourhgout the story because its a Saw film. It was a good movie but not as good as the other two i think.

[ToRontoRon]

Originally posted by bob

Things I hated:
-Neither Lynn, Jeff, or their COMPLETELY INNOCENT DAUGHTER WHO'S LOCKED SOMEWHERE FOREVER deserved to be a part of this game,

I agree with your entire post, except for this part that I've included. The little girl certainly didn't deserve it, I don't think Lynn did, although I forget what the reason was for her being included. But based on Jigsaw's M/O, I think Jeff fits the bill.

He's not living his life properly really. He's consumed with hatred and living his whole life based on that one moment. He said he thought about killing him every day of his life. Plus, his reaction to the daughter taking the teddy bear has shown that he's allowed the tragedy to consume him and has resulted in an at least somewhat dysfunctional family. It's clear that hatred was absorbing him, and that's why his tests were designed around the theme of forgiveness. In fact, he's still so consumed with hatred towards the end of the game, that he'd rather kill Jigsaw than allow him to call an ambulance and potentially save his wife's life.

Perhaps a therapist would have been a more effective tool for Jeff than a series of bizarre, cruel traps, but that's beside the point. ;)

[bob]

Yeah, that's a good point. Basically Lynn and little girl didn't deserve it.

And usually an innocent being killed isn't a flaw, but with such a high-minded, bordering on pretentious villain as jigsaw, it seems weak.

[zombievictim]

I went with several of my friends to check this movie out for my annual Halloween Party (Fright Fest) and I must say, I enjoyed this. It was fun, well written (yeah thats right, I said it), gory as hell (though some time distracting), disturbing, and entertaining. This movie comes into the horror universe (with saws cutting) and I welcome it with open arms.

9/10

Now after reading the posts in this thread I've got to say, I'm sixteen, and that is the most immature thing I've seen (other than the Jackass movies) in a long time. You either like it or you don't, you don't have to bash people either way. Gain some maturity and stop acting like prepubescent girls.

[William Munny]

I liked the original "Saw". I was on the "Saw" bandwagon long before there even was a "Saw" bandwagon. So it's with some disappointment that I say that "Saw III" is the worst film that I have ever seen. I mean, I thought the second film was bad. "Saw II" is fucking "Kane" when you stand it next to the flaccid torture-porn debacle that is "Saw III".

Actually, scratch that. "Saw III" is the worst film I have ever seen on a theater screen. It belongs on video store shelves along with the countless other straight-to-dvd horror disasters that have tried and failed to emulate the grisly, unfolding mystery of the original film.

This all essentially boils down to James Wan, who I thought would use "Saw" as a jumping pad for an exciting writer/director career. Instead, 3 years later, he's left us with nothing but his original work (itself a stylistic knockoff of "Se7en") and two increasingly terrible sequels (knockoffs of a knockoff . . . . still following?)

C'mon, Wan. Show us something new. Knock one out of the park. Why not start production on that "Death Wish" rip-off you signed onto so long ago? Do something. Just please, sir, don't subject us to any further cinematic incompetence at the hands of Darren Lynn Bousman (whose career will surely flounder now that he's apparently finished milking the "Saw" teet).

What amazes me also is how fans regard this awful third act and its sequel counterpart as pieces of a whole that began with the original film. Not so, I say. "Saw II" & "III" are to the original what "Halloween Resurrection" is to Carpenter's masterpiece. And we all know that "Saw" ain't no "Halloween". See where I'm going with this?

For now, I'm hoping that Tobin Bell scores some work beyond "Saw X". I like the guy. I'm also hoping that Shawnee Smith does, well, anything, cause she's smoking hot. But most of all, I'm just embarassed that I paid money to see "Saw III". Really, really embarassed.

(negative) - 10 / 10

PS: F*ck this film and it's f*cking anti-capital punishment stance. The whole "forgive and forget" bit seems to be something that the Jeff character dragged with him on the way out of the screenwriter's ass. Excuse me while I go watch "Cobra".

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger


If people don't like the movie I don't care. Everyone has their opinion and that's great.













To an extent. Seems like I agree with Mr. Krueger on a lot of things, the SAW franchise being no exception. And I get a real kick seeing the same old people going into every damn SAW thread and bashing it and anyone who happens to enjoy the films. I despise the LOTR films, but do I go into every LOTR thread and bash it for the reasons I think are justified? Um, no. But hey, some people get their kicks this way so whatever.

As for the film itself, I enjoyed it. Not as much as the first two but it was still pretty damn good. The ending was a bit of a let down, and I would have preferred the screen to fade to black THEN hearing Jigsaw's medical equipment start up again. That would have been great and left it up to the viewer to decide what happened. It was easily the goriest of the three, but as it's been stated before, doesn't necessarily make it the best. If the franchise is indeed over, I'll accept that ending in the long run. I can't see there being a SAW without Jigsaw.

SAW: 10 out of 10
SAW II: 9 out of 10
SAW III: 8 out of 10

[therealjohng]

I hated this crapfest. 5/10.

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by bob
But what would we be guessing? He's in a room with two corpses, a guy who wants him to die, and he's got a slit throat that is medically unrepairable.

He's dead. The only question remaining, no matter what you hear after the credits, is how long it took him to bleed out.

Not what I meant. Hearing the medical equipment start up and NOT hearing Jigsaw's voice would leave the viewer to think that he only flatlined for a few minutes, or a possible malfunction with the equipment. Medically unrepairable? It is a movie after all, right? The man is battling cancer, got the shit kicked out of him by a pissed off cop, so I don't think a little scratch on the neck is going to do him in. ;) :D

If this is the final SAW and Tobin Bell is done with the character, I'm FINE with how they left things. I just think if the Jigsaw character does come back, they could have come up with a better ending, leaving it more open-ended. I kind of hope that this will be the final one, and Jigsaw isn't regulated to join the endless list of horror movie characters that overstay their welcome.

Edit: Stupid daylight savings screwed up the order. :rolleyes:

[bob]

Originally posted by Lord Raiden
The ending was a bit of a let down, and I would have preferred the screen to fade to black THEN hearing Jigsaw's medical equipment start up again. That would have been great and left it up to the viewer to decide what happened.


But what would we be guessing? He's in a room with two corpses, a guy who wants him to die, and he's got a slit throat that is medically unrepairable.

He's dead. The only question remaining, no matter what you hear after the credits, is how long it took him to bleed out.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by Bourne101
Tyler_Durden_208, I don't know if you're being sarcasting and making fun of the back and fourth shit talking ceremony. But if you're serious, than get a life.

This all started because I gave this movie a 10/10. It's my opinion and everyone else has clearly stated their opinion. Now lets just talk about the movie in general, without so much hate talk. Things like writing reviews (people that haven't seen it), box-office, is there going to be a sequel or not etc.

And for people that haven't even seen the movie, and I'm not pointing people out because there are several. Stop trashing reviews and peoples opinions period. And don't talk about the reviews until you've actually viewed the movie.

And if you're not going to see it because you think it doesn't look very good, just simply state that.
I'm actually going to see it today. All I'm saying is that it's not that surprising to see it's making money and that we've known for quite a while R-rated horror can make some decent money. I mean, isn't that why we have a Saw III to begin with?

[Shockwave]

..the thing is they COULD bring JIGSAW back, but itd seem really, REALLY, stupid to me if they did.

..but look at H20. How they brought Mike back in the last one after Jamie lee cut his head off was beyond the dumbest thing i have ever seen in a horror movie.:o

Just because it reeks of stupidity doesnt mean they wont try it.

SAW 3 second viewing with buds- 8/10.

GAME OVER?



P.S.- I do find it funny that each horror movie released the past few years seems to be 'killing horror these days", when Jason, Freddy, Mike, and Leatherface did that years ago with pointless sequels and cheap gore. ( I love them, but the point stands)

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by bob
Yeah, that's a good point. Basically Lynn and little girl didn't deserve it.

And usually an innocent being killed isn't a flaw, but with such a high-minded, bordering on pretentious villain as jigsaw, it seems weak.


Lynn was having an affair, and was slacking at the hospital. Similar to Dr. Gordon's case. He was having an affair and wasn't paying too much attention to his own family. I think Lynn deserved it. And in Saw Dr. Gordon's daughter was almost killed because Dr. Gordon's time ran out, but Dr. Gordon's wife got the gun and Detective Tapp came to save the day (sort of).

[Bourne101]

Double post.

[chinton]

The one who really didn't deserve it was the cop Dina Myers. So she got chosen cause she dedicated her lifeto stopping him. Wow talk about bullshit.

[Lord Raiden]

Originally posted by chinton
The one who really didn't deserve it was the cop Dina Myers. So she got chosen cause she dedicated her lifeto stopping him. Wow talk about bullshit.

She had an affair with Eric Mathews and thus broke up his family. I wish she would have got more screen time but her death was just incredible so it all evens out.

[CyclicNightmare]

Is there anything after the credits?

[ChemicalRomance]

SPOILERS







Does anyone think this made the ending of SAW worse? Thing I loved most was the horrific thought of Adam dying in that cellar of starvation, slowly rotting away in the dark. But no, we had to have Amanda come in and suffocate him. I know it increases the story of the 3rd and adds to the fact that Amanda had no "guts"...but why do this at the atrophy of the first film?

[JCPhoenix]

MAJOR SPOILERS

Ugh...what a horrible entry into this franchise...

Was really looking forward to being entertained but about a third of the way in, all of us were pretty much fidgeting in our seats...

I don't even know where to begin. After the movie we all pretty much had a twenty-minute rant on how fucking stupid the movie was.

For one thing, Jigsaw's plan had to work out exactly down to the last second. Meaning, Amanda had to shoot Lynn at the right exact moment (and how the fuck would he happen to know for sure that she'd get jealous of Lynn and then how the fuck would he know she wouldn't kill him?) as Jeff comes into the room.

For another, Jeff was the biggest moron in a film I've seen in a long time. It was some of the most tedious SHIT watching him go back and forth every single fucking time whining and bitching about his son instead of saving the person right away. And EVERY single time he goes trhough the same thing, ranting about it and not wanting to do it and pacing back and forth and then finally deciding to do it (generally when it's too late). It's a tedious fucking formula and I wanted to reach into the screen each time I saw him go by and strangle him for how idiotic he was.

Not only that, but in order to get to the final killer, he knows he has to get the key every time anyway in order to proceed. So why all the fucking indecisiveness? If he were really wanting to get vengeance, he wouldn't care about the small fry, he'd have let them go and continued on.

And the gun with the key hanging at the end...why couldn't he have just reached his hand in from the bottom and yanked first, letting the gun shoot all its bullets and then just go back and grab the key? The whole trap was sketchily set up, it was a pretty moronic setup especially cause there was so much space to reach in and grab it. And of course, untying it apparently worked as well.

Jeff at the ending...yeah biggest moron yet again. How fucking stupid would a person have to be to see his wife chained in some weird contraption (keeping in mind he's seen three people in different contraptions beforehand and seen what they do), completely ignore it, then say "Yes" when Jigsaw asks him if he wants to save his wife, and the decides that he'd rather kill Jigsaw (who can call an ambulance) than save his wife at the moment? WHAT. THE. FUCK. No human being would act like that. It just makes no sense for him to find out that Jigsaw can save his wife and then completely ignore that fact and go ahead and kill Jigsaw in vengeance for what's happened to him today...add to that, why the hell wouldn't he have killed Jigsaw AFTER he got him to call the ambulance...

Oh and his wife..yeah, biggest moron. First thing anyone would've said was something like "contraption...deadly...explode" Considering she had enough breath clearly at the end to yell at him when he breaks out the saw, you'd think she would've said something before that about the fucking thing around her neck.

Oh and nice job Jigsaw, killing an innocent little girl. That makes no sense with his so-called philosophy. And WTF is with Jigsaw's blonde girlfriend in his flashbacks...that was the most random shit. That and cutting into Jigsaw's skull made me laugh quite a bit. Thanks for the ER lesson.

The editing was horrible...they decided to do the flashy style sort of rhythmic editing to the music in some places where they'd flash around in one scene (with Lynn and Jigsaw there) and it got fucking annoying as hell. The first two did similar things but this fucking grated on me throughout this one specifically.

Oh yeah, and the whole movie is such a mess. Trying to go back to Saw 1 to explain its plot holes...I want another film, a full story, not a movie that spends a third of its time going back and repeating everything we've seen with slight variations. Why, in the third movie of the series, should I be caring or invested in how the first movie worked? This movie had no focus and it padded out its thin storyline with all that junk about the first film (and second). I wanted a full, coherent story that I could get invested in, not some crappy backstory.

The first twist was the most predictable crap I've ever seen. I thought of that quite early in the film and the only reason I held back on it and was hoping for some crazy cool twist to make it okay was cause of that most retarded piece of misdirection that they try to have with the "I want a divorce" line (said by Lynn's lover)...who would ever fucking talk like that? That line, for me anyway, was sketchy...it wasn't a good piece of misdirection because I couldn't ever picture someone in real life who is having an affair saying "I want a divorce" instead of "I want you to divorce your husband" or "I want you to leave him"...just no one would ever say "I want a divorce" and mean "I want you to get a divorce from your husband" rather than "I want a divorce from you".

Don't even get me started on whiny crazy bitch (aka Amanda) who would just scream at the doctor every time and act all emo...hell, she even cuts herself (hint hint I think they're trying to tell us she's crazy)...

And Dina Meyer - if the reason Jigsaw had chosen her was cause of her affair, he would've said it in the video. Instead, his very very lame excuse was "You're dead...on the inside"....that makes me LMFAO. I mean really, LAUGH. MY. FUCKING. ASS. OFF. Let me repeat that line again..."You're dead...on the inside" Great reasoning Jigsaw...

Essentially the whole movie was about a bunch of fucking idiots with the IQ of a rock that stumble around. Jigsaw's philosophy gets majorly flawed in this film (at least in the first two he generally stuck by his philosophies), the acting blows almost as badly as the first one (actually, I can't decide which one has worse acting), the story is shit, the whole thing's a sort of cobble of random scenes from all over the place. I think the shit that comes out of my ass would be more interesting to watch. This thing was just lame all around.

Saw: 6/10
Saw 2: 7/10
Saw 3: 3/10

ETA: Oh and don't even get me started on the laughable death by pigs scene.

[ChemicalRomance]

JCPhoenix you're my hero<3

[chinton]

Sorry but I still don't but Dina's death. If Jigsaw was really killing her becuase shes an adultress then he probably should have said that. Instead he gave an incredibly lame speech about how she's with death all the time. Hmmm maybe its because SHES A FREAKING HOMICIDE DETECTIVE.

[TheDeadWalk]

Holy fuck, people. I came in here looking for a few reviews, not the ending of the god-damned movie to be blurted out every other post unannounced.

[ChemicalRomance]

Yeah haha.

"Hello Dina...remember that time you took a shit and didn't flush? Well, now you'll be devoured by the stink you left so unmercifully in that public restroom at the train station.."

[Bourne101]

Yeah really, post a spoiler warning so people that haven't seen it yet don't get it ruined for them. It's only been out for 3 days.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by ChemicalRomance
Yeah haha.

"Hello Dina...remember that time you took a shit and didn't flush? Well, now you'll be devoured by the stink you left so unmercifully in that public restroom at the train station.."



Hahahahahaha. Yes. That's great.



Ok, I have to admit I did not get jigsaw's speech to Amanda at the end. What the fuck was he saying? Was she the killer all along? I seriously have no idea what the fuck happened at the end of the movie.

[Renata936]

I haven't seen it yet, can someone tell me. is it any good? too gory? is there even a good plot in this one? i loved the first, the second was bad. It reminded me of Hostel, random and disgusting ways for people to die.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Hahahahahaha. Yes. That's great.



Ok, I have to admit I did not get jigsaw's speech to Amanda at the end. What the fuck was he saying? Was she the killer all along? I seriously have no idea what the fuck happened at the end of the movie.



*SPOILERS*










Amanda had been making traps without trying to teach the trapee a lesson. Basically, he traps were inescapable and crueler than anything Jigsaw ever designed. So he was testing her to see if she could show any care or compassion.

He was also testing Jeff of the same thing. Could Jeff forgive those responsible for his son's death? Could he forgive his wife for cheating on him? By the time he gets to Jigsaw, however, he has lost his mind and kills him without thinking of the consequences.

The End.


:)









*END SPOILERS*

[Backstabba]

.....*sigh*
...At the movie.
(though if this thread was a baby, I'd give it time-out)

....It was entertaining, but I barley got the twists.
I had to read them in this thread to find out what the hell happened....I liked the traps, they were pretty innovative (I'm sure someone will quote me for that) especially the "crucifix trap", that one was just cringe-worthy!

The skull scene..Cringe worthy!
Yeah, the ending was flawed, but I still thought the movie was good as a whole. I even enjoyed the flashbacks to the 1st Saw. Love that music.

My Saw ratings stand at...
Saw - 10/10
Saw II - 9/10
Saw III - 7/10

[dellamorte dellamore]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
*SPOILERS*










Amanda had been making traps without trying to teach the trapee a lesson. Basically, he traps were inescapable and crueler than anything Jigsaw ever designed. So he was testing her to see if she could show any care or compassion.

He was also testing Jeff of the same thing. Could Jeff forgive those responsible for his son's death? Could he forgive his wife for cheating on him? By the time he gets to Jigsaw, however, he has lost his mind and kills him without thinking of the consequences.

The End.


:)









*END SPOILERS*


35 mil , yayyy , they jus about doubled their money the first weekend , well it's easy when you only spend 5 dollars on the script . And i think the bigger question about that guy who had to make a choice about forgiving people who did bad things to someone in his family , is can i forgive the filmmakers for continuing to make this drek . If they put me in a room , strapped me down in a chair , and forced me to watch these films again , i think i would break . I would crawl through donkey feces , i would play naked twister with the golden girls , i would stick a cuccumber up my nose , i would prance around times square naked in the middle of winter , than have to sit through this garbage .