The Best Actress for Harley Quinn in Dark Knight

[Addicted2Bayhem]

Assuming Joker has a big role in Dark Knight then Harley Quinn may show up. i know this has been a thread before but I havent seen it in a while so I figured I might start it again since I had a few ideas.


If you want a really quality actress to play it deeply and well...get Pauley Perette
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If you want her to be real dopey and funny like in the cartoon, get Brittany Murphy
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If you want her to be real sexy and mean and vicious then get Jamie Pressly
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[Mr. Gray]

shouldn't we wait on discussing the casting decisions for a character that hasn't even been confirmed to be in the film?

and btw, the only reasonable choice imho would be alison hannigan from American Pie....

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Addicted2Bayhem
Assuming Joker has a big role in Dark Knight

News flash.

He's not.

[DarkKnight81]

Well I think that's a little misconceived. What Nolan said was that he wouldnt be the focal point of the movie like Jack Nicholsons Joker was. Its still about Batman in the end. As far as Harley Quinn goes I dont think she should come around until the 3rd movie when the Joker is locked up so that he can talk her into letting him out.

[adamjohnson]

I know what he said.

Joker won't be making an 'in the light' appearance until halfway through the film.

[DarkKnight81]

Well neither did Batman in 'Batman Begins.'

[Solomon Grundy]

I just can't envision Harley ever appearing in this line of Bat films unless it's a brief non-costumed scene.

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by Solomon Grundy
I just can't envision Harley ever appearing in this line of Bat films unless it's a brief non-costumed scene.

yea i agree, but it would be cool to see her

[TheCory]

For some reason, I see Amanda Peet or Christina Ricci playing this role.

Two off the wall choices, I know, but that's who I see.

[ElderPredator]

Originally posted by TheCory
For some reason, I see Amanda Peet or Christina Ricci playing this role.

Two off the wall choices, I know, but that's who I see.

Holy shit yes! :D

Amanda Peet would be perfect for the role, nice hit Cory!

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by TheCory
For some reason, I see Amanda Peet or Christina Ricci playing this role.

Two off the wall choices, I know, but that's who I see.

Good call on Amanda Peet
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[Silverload]

I think Brittany Murphy would be perfect as Quinn. I’m not a fan of Murphy but if there ever was a role that she was born to play it’s Harley Quinn.

[ElderPredator]

Originally posted by Silverload
I think Brittany Murphy would be perfect as Quinn. I’m not a fan of Murphy but if there ever was a role that she was born to play it’s Harley Quinn.

She is goofy and sexy enough to play the role but I think Peet has all those elements plus such an evil side. She can have such a devilish grin. :D That's why I find her so sexy.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Silverload
I think Brittany Murphy would be perfect as Quinn. I’m not a fan of Murphy but if there ever was a role that she was born to play it’s Harley Quinn.

I agree, and too include Harley in the next film doesn't necessarily mean have psychotic off the wall Harley, for all you nay-sayers. If you recall, Dr. Crane is currently indisposed at the moment, so a new warden for Arkam is needed and, seeing as this was her position in Batman ethos, it only makes sense to have Harley in the new film. Anything less would be a wasted opportunity.

PS. Murphy has already begun her transformation into Harley. If you watch Sin City, listen to her voice. Its Harley Quinn all the way.

[Magenta71]

I second Pauley Perette. I think she would be a very cool Harley. Although they might need to de-goth her a little for the doctor scenes. ;)

[FilmKing2000]

Zooey Deschanel
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[Shockwave]

..chalk up another vote for murphy. Great choice on that one.

[Mr. Gray]

I wasn't gonna get involved with this debate because it's purely figurative since we aren't even sure that Harley Quinn will be in it.......but:

I fuckin' hated Britney Murphy in Sin City. That bitch fuckin' butchered that role, and that alone makes me want to say that she should never be near another comic book movie...ever again.

But like i suggested before, Alyson Hannigan would be an excellent choice. She has already proven she can do comedic (American Pie Trilogy, How I Met Your Mother) and dramatic (Buffy, Angel) roles. She has enough range to play Dr. Harley Quinzel, the reserved psychologist at Arkum Asylum and the completely bat-shit insanse Harley Quinn.

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[TheJadedGamer]

Originally posted by Mr. Gray
I wasn't gonna get involved with this debate because it's purely figurative since we aren't even sure that Harley Quinn will be in it.......but:

I fuckin' hated Britney Murphy in Sin City. That bitch fuckin' butchered that role, and that alone makes me want to say that she should never be near another comic book movie...ever again.

But like i suggested before, Alyson Hannigan would be an excellent choice. She has already proven she can do comedic (American Pie Trilogy, How I Met Your Mother) and dramatic (Buffy, Angel) roles. She has enough range to play Dr. Harley Quinzel, the reserved psychologist at Arkum Asylum and the completely bat-shit insanse Harley Quinn.

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Hannigan would be good as well.

My vote is either for her or Amanda Peet.

[Shockwave]

Holy shit Batman!

Hannigan would be PERFECT. Im actualy a big fan, but i forgot about her completely. Shes got wonderful range and would be the right age.

[cocksmokinclerk]

HANNIGAN!

shes hot as fuck too! IMO at least


but i like redheads :D

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Mr. Gray

I fuckin' hated Britney Murphy in Sin City. That bitch fuckin' butchered that role, and that alone makes me want to say that she should never be near another comic book movie...ever again.



What exactly, if you don't mind me asking, made you feel like she butchered the role? The role itself didn't call for much, but I felt she took the material and went above and beyond, with the change of voice, influction, and how she handled herself in general. I thought she did perfectly.

I've never really liked Alyson Hannigan. Her acting doesn't seem to flow, and she has this halting way of speaking that's more than a little distracting.

Zooey Deschanel would be a fine choice. She looks the part, and has a very becoming elegance about her I like.

[Mr. Gray]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
What exactly, if you don't mind me asking, made you feel like she butchered the role? The role itself didn't call for much, but I felt she took the material and went above and beyond, with the change of voice, influction, and how she handled herself in general. I thought she did perfectly.

The voice she used was horrible. If you read The Big Fat Kill, Shellie doesn't really seem to come off as the helpless victim type at all like the way that Murphy played her, Shellie just seemed to get overwhelmed by the situation. But for the most part, Murphy just tried to reach too far for something that wasn't there....it's hard to describe. But I cringe everytime I hear her deliver that "Dewiiiight.....you fooool.....you dayum fooooooolll....." line.......jesus christ.

The only line she kinda nailed was the "You shut up and keep your hands to yourself, or I'll cut your little pecker off!"

Still, it doesn't redeem the rest of her performance.....

[starcat]

i always thought harley had like a goofy personality who could kick ass more than a bad ass all the time character... so im gonna have to go with the megahot jennifer garner... she kicked major ass in alias and as elektra... and she goofy on lockdown in 13 going on 30.... i think she'd be a shoe in

[jolanar]

Originally posted by Silverload
I think Brittany Murphy would be perfect as Quinn. I’m not a fan of Murphy but if there ever was a role that she was born to play it’s Harley Quinn.

I couldn't agree more. She would make the *perfect* Quinn.

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by starcat
i always thought harley had like a goofy personality who could kick ass more than a bad ass all the time character... so im gonna have to go with the megahot jennifer garner... she kicked major ass in alias and as elektra... and she goofy on lockdown in 13 going on 30.... i think she'd be a shoe in

no no no, lol you're thinking but i really think she would be a terrible choice she's too tall first of all, and i really think harley quinn is a different type of goofy then what you're refering to

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Mr. Gray
The voice she used was horrible. If you read The Big Fat Kill, Shellie doesn't really seem to come off as the helpless victim type at all like the way that Murphy played her, Shellie just seemed to get overwhelmed by the situation. But for the most part, Murphy just tried to reach too far for something that wasn't there....it's hard to describe. But I cringe everytime I hear her deliver that "Dewiiiight.....you fooool.....you dayum fooooooolll....." line.......jesus christ.

The only line she kinda nailed was the "You shut up and keep your hands to yourself, or I'll cut your little pecker off!"

Still, it doesn't redeem the rest of her performance.....

As I said before, I think she made a whole lot out of a whole little, and I find that commendable. Ehrm...I take it you can't stand Harley's voice from BTAS either, because the similarity between the two is uncanny.

And as for the aformentioned line, the first time I saw it I couldn't stand it either, but the more I watched it the more I realized it was perfect for the character, story, and world they were in. Over-the-top action and storytelling calls for over-the-top acting. Its perfectly acceptable.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[parsonz]

i think that Pauley Perette would be best part for harley. but yeah she prob wont even be in the movie

[soda]

Harley Quinn Has always had the same problem that Nightwing has. Batman and the Joker are the story, that's where you want your audience's attention focused, you don't want to have a "sidekick" who can upstage the main attraction. That's why, when Paul Dini decided to give the Joker a sidekick for Batman TAS, everyone in fandome thought it was the worst idea, EVER. We were wrong. Paul Dini pulled it off, and we got Harle Quinn. The secret is that when Harle and the Joker, or Harley and Poison Ivy, work together, her insanity compliments his insanity, however, the Joker is clearly still the main attraction, Harle just compliments him so well, that it makes the Joke even funnier. When she works with Poison Ivy, it's clearly a partnership. The world is full of Supervillian team-ups that don't work, mostly because ego gets involved at some point. What makes Harley the perfect teammate is that she's been trodded upon so much and abused so much by the joker that she has very little ego left.

I think that an "out of costume" Harle would work well in the next movie. As for Actresses to play the role, I'm no fan of Brittany Murphy, but playing Harle is an incredible challenge, it's hard to be cute and homicidal at the same time, hard to be dangerous, but never upstage the Joker. "Mad Love" showed the world what happened when Harle tried to outdo Mr. J.

[Shockwave]

but never upstage the Joker. "Mad Love" showed the world what happened when Harle tried to outdo Mr. J.

..u read that?

Awesome. Its easily one of my favorite joker stories. I couldnt beleive he pushed her out of the building.

[Jumpman8323]

How about Kristen Bell?

[Southpaw]

I bet if she was in the film it'd be more of a cameo for the fans as his docter at the end of the film assuming he gets caught or something. I would be up for Zooey Deschanel for the part though if its just a cameo it would most likely be a unknown actress.

[stickmangrit]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Anything less would be a wasted opportunity.

you mean like how they used Katie Holmes' god-awful performance and shoe-horned character rather than the mythos-tried-and-tested Harvey Dent and/or Leslie Thompkins? whilst a nod to ol' Harl would be pleasant, the debacle that was "I'm the Juggernaut bitch!" has largely left a sour taste in my mouth in terms of fan-service. throwing Harley in the mix leaves an opening for whoever comes after Nolan to fuck it up immensely.

[Sh8dy Milkman]

Originally posted by Jumpman8323
How about Kristen Bell?

That would be...memorable. I'm a pretty big Veronica Mars fan, but Amanda Peet is probably more fit for the role.

[thedamnwolfman]

Wait a sec, i female in a Chris Nolan movie? Following his track record it would be someone completely inappropriate, like Reese Witherspoon or Betty White. Side note Betty White has nude photos, no lie! Creeps the shit right out of me!

[soda]

Originally posted by stickmangrit
you mean like how they used Katie Holmes' god-awful performance and shoe-horned character rather than the mythos-tried-and-tested Harvey Dent and/or Leslie Thompkins? whilst a nod to ol' Harl would be pleasant, the debacle that was "I'm the Juggernaut bitch!" has largely left a sour taste in my mouth in terms of fan-service. throwing Harley in the mix leaves an opening for whoever comes after Nolan to fuck it up immensely.

I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Shoehorning every known character in a universe into something is an idea that is as old as the first written word. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but we should never be so cynical as to say definitely that it can never work. Right now, DC comics is publishing 52, a weekly comic where they are, very literally, trying to shoehorn every single character in the DCU into the book. They've used Mr. Tawny, the marvel family talking tiger, and ambush bug, that's one heck of a big shoehorn. 52, however, is selling like crazy, with each issue finishing in the top ten in sales for it's month. So, the moral of the story is this: it isn't necessarily a bad thing when you're trying to shoehorn in cameos, what makes it a good thing or a bad thing is how well you execute it. 52 might be a bad example, because it has Geoff Johns, Greg Rucka, Mark Waid and Grant Morrison (the only man alive who could make Skeets into an evil bastard, and have us loving the idea), four of the best writers in the entire industry. If you believe in the talent of the people writing the Dark Knight, then there's no reason why a Harle cameo, tastefully done, wouldn't be cool.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by stickmangrit
you mean like how they used Katie Holmes' god-awful performance and shoe-horned character rather than the mythos-tried-and-tested Harvey Dent and/or Leslie Thompkins? whilst a nod to ol' Harl would be pleasant, the debacle that was "I'm the Juggernaut bitch!" has largely left a sour taste in my mouth in terms of fan-service. throwing Harley in the mix leaves an opening for whoever comes after Nolan to fuck it up immensely.

I fail to see the relation, as Rachel Daws was a fabrication of Nolan and Goyer, and in no way a fanservice.

As Soda mentioned, in the hands of talented professionals there's no reason why a Harley Quinn cameo has to be ill concieved and silly, as the aformentioned Juggernaut debacle. Not only do they already have a plausible reason for her to make an appearance, but she could be easily fitted into the storyline as well, if only for a brief segment.

[stickmangrit]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
I fail to see the relation, as Rachel Daws was a fabrication of Nolan and Goyer, and in no way a fanservice.

(slaps forehead)

that was the whole point of the comment. Rachel Dawes was a shoe-horned love interest. the argument for her is that she filled the role of someone who knew Bruce before he was Batman, which could have been solved by either having Harvey Dent be a childhood friend or(to avoid the homophobia angle, which given who they cast for the Joker, i don't see that being a major motivation) they could have had Leslie Thompkins act as the one who knew him as a friend of the family, and have Dent take the role of Assistant DA. but no, we need Katie "dead facial nerve" Holmes in our movie, so we can surround her with a cast full of folks who could act circles around her if they were paralyzed from the neck down and watch her drown, because we need a "name star" to promote the movie and a romantic angle to make it work. too bad she spent her entire promotional tour discussing Tom Cruise and his movie. that really helped the fucking box office, didn't it.

my problem with Holmes is, in short, they created a character to fill a role that could have easily been accomplished by better characters played by better actors. in short, i fucking hate Katie Holmes.

but on to Harley, i do believe that if handled properly(and by properly i of course mean BY NOLAN) it could be made to work. my fear is that whenever Nolan gets tired of this, suddenly WB will put in some asshole who'll appeal to the crowd that wants this to be BTAS and we'll end up with a Harley who doesn't fit in on any level. i simply feel that she's better off left out.

and as for 52, have they gone into an in-depth account of who every one of those characters that they've inserted like a movie would need to, or have they simply thrown them out there with maybe half a page of backstory tops and leave it to the reader to discern who the hell these people are, like noted comic books Marvels and Kingdom Come? because if the former is true, you have an argument, if the latter is true, you're suggesting we try to turn the notably comic-book exclusive * and ED's books to look for into a film technique. perhaps we should include a Wikipedia url every time they don't have enough time to properly introduce and develop a character.

the fact of the matter is, we've already got Penguin, Joker, Harvey Dent's transformation and the possibility of Roman Sionisis, and the dogmatic statement from Nolan and Co that Batman will always take front stage, with the villains acting as peripheral to him. in short THERE'S NOT ENOUGH FUCKING TIME TO GIVER HER ANY SORT OF REAL CHARACTER MOMENT, AND THE SECOND YOU INCLUDE HER YOU START A FANBOY WAR ABOUT HOW THIS GUARANTEES SHE'LL BE A MAJOR VILLAIN IN THE NEXT ONE. it's more fucking trouble than it's worth.

[Seph]

Originally posted by thedamnwolfman
Wait a sec, i female in a Chris Nolan movie? Following his track record it would be someone completely inappropriate, like Reese Witherspoon or Betty White. Side note Betty White has nude photos, no lie! Creeps the shit right out of me!

Presuming you mean Scarlett Jo from The Prestige & Katie from Batman Begins, the two popular bash choices.

Of course, he has 2 other flicks with solid female leads. So I'd say his track record leaves him at 50/50.

[DarkKnight81]

I wouldnt mind if they used Harley in a cameo type role at the end of the Dark Knight as the doctor at Arkham to let the Joker out as long as they utilize her well in the third movie and not just forget about her.

[thedamnwolfman]

How old is Lori Petty? maybe too old, but if it was 1993 she would be tops. God Damn i need to pick up Tank Girl. Dust Shower ...mmmmmmmmmmmm!

[soda]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
I fail to see the relation, as Rachel Daws was a fabrication of Nolan and Goyer, and in no way a fanservice.

As Soda mentioned, in the hands of talented professionals there's no reason why a Harley Quinn cameo has to be ill concieved and silly, as the aformentioned Juggernaut debacle. Not only do they already have a plausible reason for her to make an appearance, but she could be easily fitted into the storyline as well, if only for a brief segment.

To be clear, Rachel Dawes was a comic book character, she appeared in Batman, year two, fear the reaper, a comic that was published shortly after Frank Miller's Year one, but which didn't meet with nearly as much success (principally because it wasn't written by someone as talented as Miller), fear the reaper was retconned by Jeph Loeb, when he wrote the long halloween, which became the official year two. Currently, no one knows which version is official and which version is in canonical exile. Grant morrison recently moved son of the demon from elseworlds and into continuity (allegedly), so, post infinite crisis, just about everything is fair game. That was a very long-winded way of saying, yes, Rachel Dawes was a comic book character, whose story may or may not "count".

As for 52, the entire premise of that book is that Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman took a year off, so other people had to step up to fill the void. 52 stars Booster Gold, the Elonganted man, renee Montoya, Black Adam, the Question, and Steel. If you don't read comics, you might have heard of a couple of those people (from JLU), chances are, you don't know or care about any of them, or their co-stars, Starfire, Adam Strange, Animal Man, Lobo, Skeets, Supernova, etc. They basically shoehorned in most of the DCU, in one issue or another. The entire premise of 52 is that good writing, and character development, sells comics, not big name Superheroes. 52 has four of the best writers in the industry working on it, that's why it's so good, despite the fact that you've never heard of anyone in it. If 52 can sell, with it's, quite frankly, HUGE cast of characters, and without a big name "star" character, then it must be the writing.

That's why I still maintain a Harley cameo, tastefully done, would be a good thing.