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veddhead83

11-16-2006, 06:48 PM

Review *May Contain Spoilers*

First of all, I am not a James Bond fan. However, I did enjoy this film. Daniel Craig was very good as 007. I enjoyed him in "Layer Cake" and he fit the role rather well. My personal pick for Bond would have been Clive Owen, but anywho....

The film kicks off with a bang! Bond earns his 00 ranking and off he goes trying to catch "The Running Man," which was by far the best action sequence in this film or any other Bond film I have seen. Kudos to the stunt team - very impressive.
The next action scene takes place in Miami Airport, which was pretty cool. Of course we all knew he was going to save the day in order to get to the poker game at Casino Royale. The actual poker game wasn't all that impressive. But we do get some fighting scenes and some 007 reflections of feelings time. Eva Green in a shower is very sexy!!
The plot of the film was a little incoherent and could take this entire review to explain, but it had something to do with stopping the financial aid of terrorism - which is fitting for this day and age.
Another of my favorite scenes had to be the torturing of Mr. James Bond. It showed he was human and it also showed he has balls of steel - no pun intended.
The love story in all of this was just kinda blah. It took it's sweet time, about 20 mins. to be exact, before finding out anything of Eva's character.
If you are a Bond fan, I am not sure if this film is for you. There are hardly any gadgets - a defibrillator was the only one I can remember. The runnning time is a bit long at 144 mins. I was starting to get a little agitated towards the end. However, the action scenes saved the film for me. I am looking forward to where they take this franchise. And it will be interesting as to how the Bond fans react to Craig. I don't see this as being as big of a box office success as the Brosnan films, but I have been wrong before.

MidnightAngel

11-17-2006, 12:29 AM

I'll see it this weekend!:D

Badbird

11-17-2006, 12:32 AM

I haven't seen one movie this year that really knocked me out. I hope this is the one. The full trailer for this was amazing - pity I only saw it online. I see tons of movies and never saw this trailer once! But The Grudge 2? - Like 500 times!

I've really come around on this one. I really had a lot of reservations about the whole thing. Daniel Craig... The "reboot" of the franchise... etc. And while I'm stilll totally against the idea of this movie mucking up the continuity of the series, I've learned to deal with it and just jope this movie delivers.

Martin Campbell is an increadible director and the action scenes look fantastic.

DareDevil

11-17-2006, 02:26 AM

I know i should probaly be looking forward to this movie, i told the gf i would go to the late show tomorrow, but i just don't like Daniel Craig. (Have liked some of the movies he's been in)

tushboy

11-17-2006, 05:39 AM

Plot
Opening with a black and white shot, 007 (Daniel Craig) makes one of the most lackluster entries in the history of Bond movies. But what follows over the next two hours can hardly be described in the same tone. As always, the story is Euro centric. However, the premise is completely different. Le Chiffre (Mads Mikkelsen) is the baddie who fills the pockets of warlords by manipulating the stock exchange. A high-stakes poker game is his last resort to pay back $10 million he owes a terrorist in Uganda. Bond’s mission is to defeat Le Chiffre in the game and win all his money. Assisting him in the task is the svelte Vesper Lynd (Eva Green) who represents The Majesty’s bank. Apart from the dose of expected adventure, the film takes Bond on an emotional roller coaster he never signed up for.

What’s hot
Casino Royale will easily go down as the least promoted Bond film. Nobody knew who sang the theme song (successors to Tina Turner, Sheryl Crow and Madonna) until we sat in the theatre to watch the super opening credits. You expect him to kick ass, bed the ladies, drive expensive cars and pull off unbelievable action scenes. But Daniel Craig does all this and more. If having to carry the burden of playing Bond wasn’t enough, he has to compete with the likes of Sean Connery, Roger Moore, and Pierce Brosnan. He not only emerges victorious but also wows you with his ability to underplay Bond and take the character to new heights. Dame Judi Dench is back as M (with a hot new hairdo). This time around, M has a naughty edge that only Dench could pull off. As his sidekick, Eva Green ain’t no dumb blond serenading as a scientist (Denise Richards in The World Is Not Enough), but an intelligent stock analyst who is afraid of her vulnerability. Mikkelsen’s villain scares not because of his bleeding eye, but the unpredictability of his erratic behaviour. The cinematography does justice to the stunning beauty of Venice, Montenegro and other European locales.

What’s not
Campbell has a lot to tell about Bond. He doesn’t want him to come across as a cardboard cutout swinging in his Aston Martin, but as someone who can falter, get hurt and bleed. In the process, he exceeds the length of the film by getting overly dramatic towards the climax. It’s a risk making Bond romance a woman and question his credentials as the cold-hearted spy who never loved. The poker game is at the heart of the story and one needs to know a thing or two about the game to understand the goings-on.

Bottom line
A super entertainer, Casino Royale must be watched for Craig’s new-age Bond who prefers turtlenecks and polo shirts to tuxedos and suits and carries off his Blond look with finesse.

Tuukka

11-17-2006, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by Tuukka
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/casino_royale/

36 reviews, only 2 rotten. 94% fresh.

It's 96% now, with 89 reviews, and only 4 rotten. It's going to float above 90%, even when it hits the RT's standard 140 reviews or so.

Who would have thought that the new James Bond is gonna be one of the best reviewed movies of the year?

Lazy Boy

11-17-2006, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Strider
Eva Green is hot.

Strider

Gorgeous woman. She's even hot in that Heineken tie-in advertisement. :D

I'm not a fan of Bond films, but I'm going to give this a chance because of Green and especially Daniel Craig -- damn the early haters who think he isn't good enough for the role.

rmarti3926

11-17-2006, 12:36 PM

I just want to know if the opening gun barrel sequnce is still there, the one in the begining of any bond film where a circle moves to the right and becomes a gun barrel and Bond shoots at it, you know what I mean. I was just worried that the prologue replaces it.

Tuukka

11-17-2006, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by rmarti3926
I just want to know if the opening gun barrel sequnce is still there, the one in the begining of any bond film where a circle moves to the right and becomes a gun barrel and Bond shoots at it, you know what I mean. I was just worried that the prologue replaces it.

The prologue tells how that barrel image was born - You get to see the actual scenario when it happened.

Danger^Cart

11-17-2006, 04:42 PM

Okay, guys, if your going to review a current film, please include a -/10 score at the bottom, so someone who wants to know what you thought of the film withouting subjecting himself to your spoilers can get an inclination.

Godamn.

SpecialFeatures

11-17-2006, 07:11 PM

Blonde hair or no blonde hair. I know that I am going to see this movie. :)

TylerDurden182

11-17-2006, 08:07 PM

Casino Royale- 9/10

Daniel Craig is the fucking man. My favorite Bond film.

Tyler_Durden_208

11-17-2006, 08:59 PM

Wow. I came out the film with quite a lot of mixed feelings, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked it. I grew up with the Brosnan era of suave action and fancy gadgets, so I was a little sad to see it go, but I love the return to a more Connery type Bond (although Craig's Bond is quite unlike any Bond to date) and a stripping of all the excess that made previous Bond films (Moore and Brosnan eras primarily, for the record, I'm not a big fan of Moore at all) seem to flashy and campy. I also loved the brutality of the film, though at times a little bit more realism would've been appreciated. I loved Le Chiffre in all his sadistic glory and Eva Green is one of the best, most complicated Bond girls ever. Much like most longer Bond entries, the film could've shaved a few minutes, but you won't find me complaining too much, as I couldn't say where exactly you could cut. The best aspect of the film in my opinion is that they've not just lifted select characters out of the book and stolen the title creating whatever story they fit, this is Ian Fleming's novel updated to the current time and Craig is the most true Bond to Fleming's vision (in my opinion) to date (yes, even more so than Connery). I really hope they continue this trend, and follow the books in sequential order, as Live and Let Die without Roger Moore and closer to the book would be possibly be my favorite Bond movie ever. As it stands this is probably the third best Bond there is after Goldfinger and Goldeneye (though I love Goldeneye more, Goldfinger is still the better movie) and I can't wait to see it again (I owe it at least two more times, to match my time spent with Die Another Day in the theater).
9/10

dman476

11-17-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by TylerDurden182
Casino Royale- 9/10

Daniel Craig is the fucking man. My favorite Bond film.
I agree with everything. I've bumped my score to a 9/10. ::D

Originally posted by Lazy Boy
Gorgeous woman. She's even hot in that Heineken tie-in advertisement. :D

I'm not a fan of Bond films, but I'm going to give this a chance because of Green and especially Daniel Craig -- damn the early haters who think he isn't good enough for the role.
I LOVE her. She's gorgeous, and hot. She's also a good actress...
*sigh* She's never looked better than in this film.

bigred760

11-17-2006, 10:28 PM

Review: Casino Royale

Wow!!! Who would've thought that a James Bond movie could deliver so much so well? Up until now, the series has relied on cool gadgets, hot women, over the top action scenes, and eccentric villains. While some of these qualities remain in Casino Royale, this movie offers something that had not been done in a Bond film - you get to learn about James Bond himself - how he started out, why he is who he is, and how he got to be a "double-oh" agent for MI6.

And if there was any doubt on whether Daniel Craig was the right choice to succeed Pierce Brosnan, there isn't anymore. This guy was perfect!! Not only did he do most of the stunts for the awesome action scenes, he brought to the table everything James Bond should have: charisma, charm, arrogance, style, and determination. But Craig adds some stuff as he plays a young(er) James Bond just entering the British Secret Service: vulnerability and imperfection. He makes mistakes which had consequences, and he falls in love, which also had consequences. But while he's not perfect, the movie and Craig shows how Bond is great at improvising and demonstrates his knack for getting out of sticky situations. It made for a really good character study in a movie of whose franchise has had so little of until now.

But it's not all about the drama and what not, this a Bond movie for crying out loud. The action in this flick is intense, and it's without gadgets and cars. There's a great fight/chase scene around a construction site where Bond is chasing a bad guy, another fight scene at the Miami airport, and a great scene involving a collapsing building. The direction for these sequences is great in that it keeps you in suspense the whole way and it's a fun thrill ride watching Bond kick some serious ass.

But the great direction is not limited to the action scenes alone; Martin Campbell also creates some great tension at the poker game where Bond has to beat the villain. The showdown is great as you not only continue to learn more about Bond's character, but it also leads into a great final act. Campbell does a superb job of pacing the movie and having each act have a cause & effect storyline. Once you think about one particular scene in which Bond kicks some ass or stops a bad guy, he gains some info and acts upon it, which leads to another scene and so on. The pacing is perfect as the story mixes great action and an intriguing plot.

And what would a Bond movie be without some hot Bond girls. While there are only two of them, they were some stunning beauties. One didn't have much screen time, but she was a beautiful sight in a bikini. And the other is Bond's love interest, Vesper Lynde, played excellently by Eva Green. Not only was she gorgeous throughout the movie, but Green also brought style to the character. There is some clever and witty banter between Bond and Lynde which makes them practically perfect for each other. And of course, Judi Dench returns as Bond's boss, 'M' and we get a hint at how their relationship started out as well.

This is the best Bond movie since Goldfinger in my opinion. Daniel Craig was the perfect choice for James Bond as he delivers on everything Bond should be, but also adds in the effect that he's new to the spy game. The action sequences are excellent, the story and villain intriguing, and the Bond girls are not only hot but bring spice to the movie's plot as well. You get to meet Felix Leiter for the first time as well, a great cameo. The movie's also filled with several great one-liners that Bond always seems to have. Where over the top gadgets and scenarios once were, there is now down-to-earth believable plot and story, not to mention characters. It's not only a great action movie, but an awesome Bond movie.

9/10

Danger^Cart

11-17-2006, 10:29 PM

Well if the Durden bro's both liked it that much, its decided, I'm gonna go see it tonight.

Iacon5

11-17-2006, 10:42 PM

9/10
spoiler free

i loved how much of a dick bond was throughout the entire film. craig was the kind of cold killing machine bond that none of the previous bonds could have been. i also loves how it was more of an origin of sorts like batman begins.

my only dislikes would have been that it was just a little too long, the end definitely could have been shortened. and also it was a little confusing at times.

bigred760

11-17-2006, 11:55 PM

Was over on imdb.com and read some pretty interesting stuff about the movie and its "firsts:" (no major spoilers here, just some fun facts)

-first time the character Moneypenny doesn't appear
-first time that it rains in a Bond movie (that's nuts!!)
-first blonde Bond - though we already new that :D

MAJOR SPOILERS (click and drag mouse to highlight below)
-first time the two female leads, Bond girls, die

fooknasty

11-18-2006, 12:31 AM

This movie was awesome!!! I loved every moment of it. I am a huge James Bond fan, and I have to say that this is definitely one of the all time best. Besides the fact that Martin Campbell cut scenes very weird in places, I thought the movie was a flawless Bond movie.

This is definitely one of, if not THE best Bond film of all time.

9.5/10

Danger^Cart

11-18-2006, 12:42 AM

I was going to see this tonight, but the car got snowed in, and I couldn't get it out in time. I'm pretty bummed. :(

Fuck snow in the eye.

Fisting Ackbar

11-18-2006, 01:05 AM

Dug the hell out of it.

The Parkour construction scene was a blast. It does make me wonder if that black guy who IRL is a big freerunning star actually does have scars like in the movie, anybody know?

The Bodyworks exhibit in Miami was a nice touch - you can imagine Bond getting away with a violent confrontation when all the eyes are aimed at the creepy skinless bodies on display. And having actually visited that exhibit when it was in Brussels a few years ago made the scene hit very close to home.

Yeah, Daniel Craig manages to be even cooler than the tough, gangster/hitman characters he portrayed in ELIZABETH, LAYER CAKE and MUNICH. And Eva Green is so classy and gorgeous it's not even funny - hell, for a Bond girl, her character manages to be intelligent without having to resort to the nuclear scientist level (i.e., Denise Richards). Makes me want to rent THE DREAMERS again to have a nice long, lubricated wank http://members.lycos.nl/anonymousjohn/emot-fap.gif

However, a couple of flaws:

SPOILERS!

All the lovey dovey shit near the end dragged and hurt the overall pacing. Yes, you know that something is wrong and this can't possibly end happily with Bond resigning, but come on, make it somewhat realistic and get on with the damn story. Two people actually walked out right during the idyllic relaxing on the sailboat (though of course, that's their loss having missed the actual ending of the movie!).

Plus, the movie could have used more Jeffrey Wright. It's a given that his character will re-appear in the next installments, but to have him completely disappear after the big Poker climax felt wrong.

END SPOILERS

8/10

ilovemovies

11-18-2006, 01:21 AM

SPOILERS!

Overall I enjoyed it but it is severely flawed as well.

WHAT I LIKED:

- Daniel Craig. Fantastic Bond.

- Eva Green. Gorgeous and gave a good performance too.

- The chase scene through the construction site. UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE! BEST ACTION SEQUENCE OF THE YEAR!

- The airport scene. Another incredible action sequence.

WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE:

- No Q or gadgets or Moneypenny. I understand that this is suppose to be a reinvention of Bond, but these were all quintessential Bond and I friggin' missed them!

- When Bond orders a vodka martini and is asked if he wants it shakened or stirred, I hated his reply (which was, does it look like I give a damn).

- The opening credits sequence sucked big time! And there were no naked women like they usually have during the opening credits sequence. And the song was instantly forgettable.

- The main villian was forgettable. And it sucks that he and Bond never get to fight. He gets shot after he tortures Bond. That sucked.

- The pacing of the second half of the movie dragged a bit. The movie should have been tightened up more. They easily could have dropped some of the poker scenes. There were too many of them. Little snippets here and there could have been taken out to help tighten the movie more. This should have been a two hour movie, not a two and a half hour movie.

- The movie doesn't really have a wholly satisfying ending. I won't go as far as to call it anticlimatic, but it could have been more satisfying too.

The first half was fantastic. The second half on the otherhand, was very flawed and brings down the movie a bit. But it's an overall solid effort. A good start for Craig and co. Nothing more. Nothing less.

7/10

Fisting Ackbar

11-18-2006, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by ilovemovies
WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE:

- No Q or gadgets or Moneypenny. I understand that this is suppose to be a reinvention of Bond, but these were all quintessential Bond and I friggin' missed them!

- When Bond orders a vodka martini and is asked if he wants it shakened or stirred, I hated his reply (which was, does it look like I give a damn).

There actually was a subtle reference to Moneypenny in the casino. Bond is talking to Vesper and uses the words money and penny in the same sentence.

And I believe Bond's martini reply was "Do it like I give a damn".

bigred760

11-18-2006, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by ilovemovies
SPOILERS!

- When Bond orders a vodka martini and is asked if he wants it shakened or stirred, I hated his reply (which was, does it look like I give a damn).

I loved that line. I thought it was hilarious. I thought it was perfect considering that he hadn't "officially" made it his drink yet.

bob

11-18-2006, 05:21 AM

I'm a huge James Bond fan, I've seen all the films multiple times, and this is one of the best. It's flaws are minimal, and it is fantastic in concept and execution. The only thing wrong is the theme song. Too new-fashioned for the graphics during the title sequence.

Loved it to death. 9/10

bigred760

11-18-2006, 05:35 AM

I'll admit that I didn't think the opening sequence was that great either, but one thing I liked about it was the card symbols (hearts, spades, diamonds, clubs) being used instead of bullets or knives. I thought that was pretty cool.

DareDevil

11-18-2006, 05:38 AM

*will contain spoilers*

I can't believe how crazy people are going for this movie, I finally gave up and began to get hyped for the movie, went to the late show tonight and after the movie the first thing we both said was "That sucked".
Here are some of my main complaints
-Movie started strong with the impressive chase seen that really set a high standard for action and never came close to it again.
-Almost every problem/mystery was solved by a cell phone, basically the only gadget bond used the whole time.
-They killed the hot chick to introduce the less hot chick.
-The relationship between the 2nd girl and bond was LAME, and made him look like a pussy, he admitted that killing people was bad and he didn't want to do it and wanted to quit being a spy, she dies and suddenly he wants to be a spy again, LAME.
-Bond sits in a chair naked and gets whipped in the balls threw a hole cut in the seat, and just keeps taking it, he doesn’t seek some kickass major revenge and beet the guys ass, he just gets whipped in the balls while pretending (?) to like it then some other dude comes out of nowhere and saves his ass. (LAME)

Daniel Craig was the worst bond ever IMO, all this movie did was give me a deeper appreciation for MI:3.

Overall.... 4/10

I’m really disappointed I don’t feel the same as you guys and love this movie:(

Shockwave

11-18-2006, 06:33 AM

This has ben a kick-ass past two weeks for me at the movies. Babel, Happy Feet, The Pristege, Stranger then Fiction, and now this.

9/10. BY FAR the best Bond film to me since Golden Eye, and right up with it, Goldfinger, Russia with Love, and Dr. No as one of the best Boind films.

Kick-assery is in full effect.

Strider

11-18-2006, 06:36 AM

Casino Royale - 8/10 or ****/***** stars

Casino Royale, the latest installment in the James Bond franchise, leaves the ludicrous stories, cheesy dialogue, and all the gadgetry of its recent predecessors behind, and replaces it with a surprisingly realistic story, a well-developed romance, and a very dark and serious nature that the franchise has never had in its long cinematic history. Daniel Craig is terrific, or better yet, outstanding as James Bond himself. He is everything that Bond should be: charming, intelligent, witty, and deadly. But Craig adds something to the character that is more impressive than anything else - humanization. Like the last big-budget "origins" film, Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins, Casino Royale has absolutely nothing to do with the films before it, focuses on story rather than action, and its primary intention is to breathe new life into the franchise as it ventures into the 21st century, and director Martin Campbell, in his second Bond feature (Goldeneye was the first), as well as Craig, have done exactly that, and quite well.

Note: Eva Green isn't hot. She's gorgeous.

Strider

SpecialFeatures

11-18-2006, 09:49 AM

Went to see this last night, and I must say that I liked the direction that they are taking Bond. I really liked the way they showed his vulnerabilities. It shows that the character is human, and that helps you keep your eyes on the screen. ;)

jolanar

11-18-2006, 04:57 PM

Spoilers:

Holy mother of god that was BORING. When the first thing you think of coming out of a Bond film is "boring"... something is terribly wrong. The film drags on and on and on and on and on.... and then on some more. It never wants to end. It was almost as bad as the infamous "never ending" Return of the King.

There was no bad guy in this film, just a string of lackeys. Who the hell was the guy with the 1 shade glasses? The guy who bleeds blood out of his eye doesn't have a single action sequences in the entire movie. Weak.

Daniel Craig as an action star? You fuckin betcha!

Daniel Craig as James Bond? No thanks.

They picked the most brute force thug to play Bond. Bond is suppose to be smooth... suave. Daniel Craig, besies having an ugly mug for a face, is nowhere near smooth enough to play Bond.

No gadgets, no "Q", not enough action. They spent waaaaaaay too much time focusing on the poker matcha which was a complete waste of my time. They failed to make the poker match exciting in any way, shape, or form. Watching Poker on TV is more exciting than that.

Overall very very disapointing.

Casino Royale: 4/10

cletus66

11-18-2006, 05:02 PM

Being someone who wasnt a huge fan of the Pierce Brosnan Bond films I can say for me Casino Royale was a breath of fresh air. I liked the fact that in this film the action sequences were more realsistic with the construction site sequence being the best of all. I think Daniel Craig is going to be a teriffic Bond and I like the direction the franchise is headed in.

8.5/10

Strider

11-18-2006, 05:54 PM

***SPOILERS***

Originally posted by jolanar
The guy who bleeds blood out of his eye doesn't have a single action sequences in the entire movie. Weak.

Honestly, that's one thing I really liked about Casino Royale. Unlike the other Bond films, it doesn't conclude with the usual epic showdown between Bond and the villain. I thought that was a fresh idea. And I quite loved the ending - my favorite Bond ending ever.

Strider

Badbird

11-18-2006, 06:02 PM

with SPOILERS

It did't feel right having the Columbia logo at the front. I was okay about what they did with the gun barrel. However, I thought the credits sequence was just dorky. Really, aces for bullets?

Overall, I'm pretty mixed. It's a great movie up until a point... then the plot gets murky and the final half hour or so is very anticlimactic. This movie starts with a bang and ends with a wimper.

The way I look at the story is this: Pierce Brosnan's character has retired and Daniel Craig is his replacement. He just happens to be named James Bond. With this, I can live with the way they fucked up the continuity.

But Bond movies are Bond movies for a reason. I liked the puns, the gadgets, the girls, the outragousness of it all - because that was something wholey unique to Bond movies. With this new, grittier take, he might as well be James Bourne.

The action sequences where great. The construction site was cool, but hardly realistic. But I liked the airport sequence the best. That was intense. Hell, even the poker game was exciting, even though I don't understand the game one bit.

And the love story thing was fine. It reminded my of the last half of On Her Mejesty's Secret Service. But after the poker game and the subsequent kid napping section, it just started fizzling out. Suddenly there were these other guys and stuff didn't make sense completely. A double cross or two later and it just kinda ends.

Now had there been one last major action sequence to put a stamp on the end, I'd probably be fine. But the end just left me cold, much like the end of The Matrix Reloaded.

As a big Bond fan who's seen all the movies, I can say this is certainly top ten stuff, but not at all the best ever. I really liked the music score and how it encorperated the theme song's melody, much like A View to a Kill and The World is not Enough did.

Overall, like an 8/10.

For Bond movies, I'd put it behind Goldeneye, Die Another Day, The Spy Who Loved Me, and A View to a Kill. So top five.

dman476

11-18-2006, 07:02 PM

**SPOILERS**

Ok, I forgot to ask yesterday.
What exactly does Vesper Lynd do?
Something about an Algerian boyfriend...
I couldn't hear, the people next to me decided to start talking at that part. :mad:
Thanks in advance!

DareDevil

11-18-2006, 07:34 PM

The movie felt like one big sony comercial, from computers to camera's there were more sony plugs than there were action scenes.

*edit* jolanar i just read your post I totaly agree with you.

bigred760

11-18-2006, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by jolanar
They picked the most brute force thug to play Bond. Bond is suppose to be smooth... suave. Daniel Craig, besies having an ugly mug for a face, is nowhere near smooth enough to play Bond.

That's the thing I liked about this movie; he's just starting out so he's got a long way to go before he gets to the Bond that is "smooth" and "suave." He's got a lot to learn.

And I don't see how you found that movie boring. The action in that movie was some of the best I'd seen in a Bond movie EVER. That's just my opinion though. Sorry you didn't like it.

jolanar

11-18-2006, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by bigred760
And I don't see how you found that movie boring. The action in that movie was some of the best I'd seen in a Bond movie EVER. That's just my opinion though. Sorry you didn't like it.

Sure the action was great. It was the 30 minute snoozefests inbetween them that got boring. Particularly the poker match and the smoochy lovey dovey part near the end. Could have done without either.

jolanar

11-18-2006, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by dman476
**SPOILERS**

Ok, I forgot to ask yesterday.
What exactly does Vesper Lynd do?
Something about an Algerian boyfriend...
I couldn't hear, the people next to me decided to start talking at that part. :mad:
Thanks in advance!

SPOILERS!

She was an agent for the finincial sector of the British Secret Service. Her boyfriend was kidnapped and she was blackmailed into becoming a double agent for the bad guys.

dman476

11-18-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by jolanar
SPOILERS!

She was an agent for the finincial sector of the British Secret Service. Her boyfriend was kidnapped and she was blackmailed into becoming a double agent for the bad guys.
SPOILERS

Thanks...one more thing though, I was confused about the part where M says she gave them the money to save Bond. WTF is up with that?

Thanks again.

bigred760

11-18-2006, 10:56 PM

jolanar

11-18-2006, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by dman476
SPOILERS

Thanks...one more thing though, I was confused about the part where M says she gave them the money to save Bond. WTF is up with that?

Thanks again.

SPOILERS :cool:

She was supposed to give the 115 million dollar winnings from the poker game back to the British government but instead gave it to Mr. White to save Bonds life. Otherwise Mr. White (terrorist) would have simply shot Bond when he shot Le Chiffre.

dman476

11-18-2006, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by bigred760
SPOILERS!!!

Bond had the password to retrieve the money. She made the deal probably by saying that therefore saving his life.

Originally posted by jolanar
SPOILERS :cool:

She was supposed to give the 115 million dollar winnings from the poker game back to the British government but instead gave it to Mr. White to save Bonds life. Otherwise Mr. White (terrorist) would have simply shot Bond when he shot Le Chiffre.

Oh, I see. Thanks a bunch for the explanations.
I get it (more clearly) now. :cool:

The Phantom

11-18-2006, 11:51 PM

How can people on this board call themselves real fans if they can't take a little bit of story? I thought the action in the film was all great, but I LOVED that this movie remained so close to the book (I expected them to throw out the entire story, instead they just added to it) and didn't rely too heavily on car chases (BTW, this one was executed in the most original manner yet, in my humble opinion.) or some heavy climatic thunderstorm of FX and silly sci-fi dribble (*cough*Dieanotherday*cough*). I love action, I watch Face/Off specifically for the shootouts and chase scenes, but good action and a tense, well-written story? FUCK YEAH!

Also, I'm in the minority here but I adored the main titles, both visually and from a musical standpoint. The ending was also, as another poster said, the best of the series and left me pumped up to a degree beyond comprehension outside a football stadium. Plus, I never thought the lack of Q could be so great--so few gadgets! No rockets flying out of cars! Hell--no invisible cars!!

And Daniel Craig, an actor I already respect, is definately the best Bond yet as far as translating the original character goes and the best movie wise since Connery.

Let's just hope the slight reference to SPECTRE doesn't lead to a Dr. No remake and my theory that God's grace is shining on the movie world will prove correct. The Peirce Brosnan Age of Bond is dead, let's poke it with a stick!

bigred760

11-19-2006, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by The Phantom
Let's just hope the slight reference to SPECTRE doesn't lead to a Dr. No remake and my theory that God's grace is shining on the movie world will prove correct. The Peirce Brosnan Age of Bond is dead, let's poke it with a stick!

I don't think they're going to remake any of the old Bond movies that already have been made by MGM. The main argument against a remake is Never Say Never Again. I think the producers want to continue making movies and stories that haven't been told before.

Badbird

11-19-2006, 12:47 AM

Does anyone know what kind of Ford Bond was driving early on? Is that something not sold in the US? Or is it a new model I haven't seen? It looked kinda like a Mazda 6.

bigred760

11-19-2006, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by Badbird
Does anyone know what kind of Ford Bond was driving early on? Is that something not sold in the US? Or is it a new model I haven't seen? It looked kinda like a Mazda 6.

From imdb.com - trivia section of Casino Royale:

The 2007 Ford Mondeo sport model used in the beginning of the film is a special, one-off hand-built prototype vehicle, constructed by hand at Ford of Europe's Design Studio in Cologne, Germany, in January, 2006 and shipped to the Bahamas in secrecy for shooting. Actual production is not due to start until the second quarter of 2007.

Agent of God !

11-19-2006, 01:27 AM

Look at what they are all saying about Casino Royale, well i'll have a complete review by monday (Nov 20) ready.

Agent out!
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Double-Oh-Zero

11-19-2006, 02:15 AM

Did I like the film?

Yes.

Considerably.

9.5/10

ElderPredator

11-19-2006, 02:38 AM

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, it is now 2:08 am in the morning and my adrenaline is 100% spiked after seeing the greatest film of 2006. Since I was very little, I've always been a gigantic fan of the legendary suave secret agent known as James Bond and I will always continue to be. However, over the past few years, the world of 007 seemed to start decaying and falling apart as technology started getting better and stories start getting more ridiculous. It was at that time that I knew we needed a saviour, a new face to the world of James Bond....that man is Daniel Craig.

I went to the 10:30pm show with my good friend Double-Oh-Zero and it was a full-house with not a single empty seat. Both of us have been anticipating this movie for years as we were always strong supporters of Craig as Bond. From the very beginning to the last frame, we were absolutely stunned and I still am now.

Let's first start off with the man who calls himself James Bond and that is Daniel Craig. Throughout his career, Craig has played a number of roles that portray a toughness in himself such as his role in "Munich" as an assassin or even his character in "Layer Cake". However, he was never able to show his true talent until now. Craig is the answer to the 007 franchise as he was able to bring a side of Bond to the big screen that none of us have ever seen before. His moral toughness and reckless actions throughout the film are what make the character of Bond so unqiue and Craig pulled it off perfectly. He shined on so many levels between his serious acting and even being very sarcastic at times as well to help the audience warm up to him and not think he is just a heartless bastard. Craig handled the action perfectly and every situation that was thrown at him unlike past Bond stars. I'm going something right now so everyone pay attention....DANIEL CRAIG IS THE BEST BOND EVER! :D (I'm not joking about that either!)

Now let's get to the brilliant supporting cast of "Casino Royale" so I'll start off with the absolutely stunning and magnificent Eva Green. It was such a pleasure to see a Bond girl who actually had some form of intelligence as the last few Bond girls have been a total waste of oxygen in my opinion. Eva was brilliant in her role as Vesper Lynd and her chemistry with Craig was undeniable. She remained a mystery throughout the film and that made her character so much more interesting. She was very beautiful throughout and every scene she had Craig was mind-blowing.

Next, I must talk about maybe one of the greatest Bond villains ever and that is Mads Mikkelsen as Le Chiffre. Mads took a very simple character and turned him into someone so mystifying and terrifying that you never knew what he would do next. He was the best choice for the part and there is no doubt of that. The scenes with him and Craig together were some of the best in the film. Especially the "torture" scene as most of you saw. :D

As well, Dame Judi Dench put on a fabulous performance as M once again. She had much more flare this time and it really brought her character out significantly. She's always a welcome face in the world of Bond. Giancarlo Giannini did a great job as Mathis and was really quite funny as well in those times when the pressure was on. Jeffrey Wright was also fantastic as Felix Leiter but I was a little dissapointed that he didn't get more screen time. Let's hope we'll see more of him in the future.

Right now, I'd like to thank one of the greatest Bond directors of all-time....Martin Campbell. Martin did a magnificent job on this film and has turned it into a masterpiece that he will always be able to treasure. Not all of his films are loved by the world but when he dons the "Bond" directors cap, he becomes a legend. Bravo Martin bravo!

As well, the action in the film was absolutely mind-blowing and the stunts were some of the best I have ever seen. Especially the chase scene at the beginning. The cars were super hot and so were the women. ;) As for the length of the film and the pacing, I thought both were spot on and perfect. The move just zoomed by and I was never bored for a second. The poker game was perfectly thought out and well-paced in my opinion. Simply amazing!

To sum all of this up, "Casino Royale" is the greatest Bond film of the last 30 years and I consider Daniel Craig to be the best Bond ever and I'll never take that back. :cool:

My final vote: 10/10

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ElderPredator

11-19-2006, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by Double-Oh-Zero
Did I like the film?

Yes.

Considerably.

9.5/10

Exactly! :D

bigred760

11-19-2006, 03:09 AM

008? :D :D

I'm glad you liked it Elder. I also think it's the best movie of 2006 so far.

Strider

11-19-2006, 05:34 AM

I saw Casino Royale again last night. It holds very well with a second viewing. I'm surprised by the multitude of people who are flooding the theaters to see the film. I waited in a big line for almost an hour, and once it was time to enter our theater, every single remaining showing was sold out.

I'll be seeing the film for a third time later today or tomorrow, as there are a few people who I want to see it with.

Strider

bigred760

11-19-2006, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Strider
I saw Casino Royale again last night. It holds very well with a second viewing. I'm surprised by the multitude of people who are flooding the theaters to see the film. I waited in a big line for almost an hour, and once it was time to enter our theater, every single remaining showing was sold out.

I'll be seeing the film for a third time later today or tomorrow, as there are a few people who I want to see it with.

Strider

I'm glad to hear that; I was hoping this movie would do well and people would accept Daniel Craig as Bond. My dad will be in town in a few weeks; will try to catch the flick again with him.

ElderPredator

11-19-2006, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by bigred760
008? :D :D

I'm glad you liked it Elder. I also think it's the best movie of 2006 so far.

Thanks bigred, it really was fantastic! :)

veddhead83

11-19-2006, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Okay, guys, if your going to review a current film, please include a -/10 score at the bottom, so someone who wants to know what you thought of the film withouting subjecting himself to your spoilers can get an inclination.

Godamn. Is this directed towards me? I don't like to rate movies on a scale. It is pointless. A movie cannot be a perfect 10. Nothing is perfect.

shawn-o

11-19-2006, 12:54 PM

look i dont give a shit if im in the minority here, this movie fucking sucked!

1.) I'm sorry but i dont like how James Bond suddenly became this edgy, ego-tistical killer instead of the charming badass he was in the previous films, just when i saw the way he acted i just thought this isnt bond. And for a bond film...i wanna see james bond not jason bourne

2.) Daniel Craig sucked...im sorry he's this spikey haired blonde beach hottie and it didnt work for me. He couldnt live up to Sean Connery or even Pierce Brosnan if you gave a 9-movie contract.

3.) nothing flowed...if this is suppose to be a prequel...at least make it look like it took place before the 1960's, and that M was a man...just so it flows with the rest of the movies...just a thought

all in all this is a laughable mocking to the franchise...they should of casted Clive Owen as bond when they had a chance...then it would have been a little better....

5/10

Tuukka

11-19-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by shawn-o
...they should of casted Clive Owen as bond when they had a chance...then it would have been a little better....

Owen never wanted to play Bond.

Tyler_Durden_208

11-19-2006, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by shawn-o
nothing flowed...if this is suppose to be a prequel...at least make it look like it took place before the 1960's, and that M was a man...just so it flows with the rest of the movies...just a thought

You do know it's not supposed to be a prequel, but a franchise reboot, like Batman Begins right? It's not connected with the other movies, it's based off of Ian Fleming's novel and is a new start for Bond. And it was decided that they should update the novel to the present (which I for one thought was perfect) and Judi Dench does such a damn good job playing M, they offered the role to her anyway.

HanzoSword

11-19-2006, 02:23 PM

Bond reinvented! He don't need no steekin' gadgets! I loved this Bond and I will definitely think of Craig as a great Bond!

Yes, the movie was long - haven't you ever seen a Bond film before Brosnan? Yes, they're long too. This movie makes spying seem gritty rough and hard work. I love that the best chase scene is done without cars!

Another thing, Richard Roeper brings this up in his review, this Bond is definintely more inspired by Richard Bourne. He's gritty, he bleeds, he uses his fists and whatever is around him more than some convienient gadgets. He is dirty more often than clean and sometimes -horrors- talks with his mouth full. He loosens his collar to eat and eats like there's no tomorrow - which there may not be.

The plot is hard to follow and the bad guys aren't cut and dry - they're not easy to pick out. Maybe that's more like the spy business is - trust no one. Bond learns his first lessons as 007 the hard way.

This movie is a great new look for Bond and I am eagerly looking forward to the next Craig installmant. I read somewhere that Craig says that he plans on doing this as long as the painkillers work. After seeing this flick, I believe he needs them!

GingerNjack

11-19-2006, 02:54 PM

I think I'm going to see this later this afternoon after the Redskins game...it sounds great.

I thought I might get to see it early because my mareketing job sometimes gets movie tickets, but not this time.

Bourne101

11-19-2006, 06:48 PM

Chose Stranger Than Fiction over this today, which was good, and it was a last second choice. I will be seeing this on Tuesday, and I cannot wait. Not a huge fan of Bond but this looks really good and the reviews are great.

Tagia_Romero

11-19-2006, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by jolanar

They picked the most brute force thug to play Bond. Bond is suppose to be smooth... suave. Daniel Craig, besies having an ugly mug for a face, is nowhere near smooth enough to play Bond.

Sour grapes. :D Tsk, tsk. :p

I think he's a good looking bloke indeed. A real 'hard man', which is something that works for his Bond.

Badbird

11-19-2006, 10:17 PM

SPOILER - about the torture scene.

I had a funny thought. It's a good thing they cut out that wicker mesh before he used that giant knot to attack Bond's balls. That thin layer of chair would have surely been indestructable and Bond would have only felt a tickling sensation.

I heard in the book, he actually used a whip, not a rope. Ouch.

bigred760

11-19-2006, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Badbird
SPOILER - about the torture scene.

I had a funny thought. It's a good thing they cut out that wicker mesh before he used that giant knot to attack Bond's balls. That thin layer of chair would have surely been indestructable and Bond would have only felt a tickling sensation.

I heard in the book, he actually used a whip, not a rope. Ouch.

SPOILERS!!!

I liked Bond's "attitude" towards it. "A little to the left." Couldn't believe that shit!!

MadsenOMC

11-19-2006, 10:45 PM

Not much to say here. I liked it. A very solid, mostly enjoyable movie. Daniel Craig is just as good as I hoped and expected him to be. Stunts and action are cool. It's a little too long and the villain is fairly lame, but overall it's a good Bond flick. Can't wait to see what they do next. A very successful reboot.

7/10

veddhead83

11-19-2006, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Tuukka
Owen never wanted to play Bond.
He sure did. He even went so far as to do a cameo in "The Pink Panther" to prove a point that they should have selected him. I remember the line, "Remember, I am not supposed to be here."

therealjohng

11-19-2006, 11:02 PM

8/10. Loved it.

Am I the only one that noticed the Richard Branson cameo?

MadsenOMC

11-19-2006, 11:05 PM

At the Miami airport? I caught it.

therealjohng

11-19-2006, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
At the Miami airport? I caught it.

Yep. Wasn't even paying that much attention and happened to glance over and BAM! There he was.

bob

11-19-2006, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by veddhead83
He sure did. He even went so far as to do a cameo in "The Pink Panther" to prove a point that they should have selected him. I remember the line, "Remember, I am not supposed to be here."

I'm pretty sure it will take a more reliable source than your interpretation of a cameo in The Pink Panther to make that point.

veddhead83

11-19-2006, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by bob
I'm pretty sure it will take a more reliable source than your interpretation of a cameo in The Pink Panther to make that point.

1)They filmed the two films around the same time frame. (Meaning he had the time to make the cameo and lash out.)
2)He was interested and was a fan favorite to play the part.
3)His character was a secret agent, dressed exactly like 007 and he referred to the character with dialogue that would suggest he was supposed to be Bond.
4)Character named 006
And I knew this before, but
5) According to IMDB - The cameo appearance of Clive Owen is both a nod to the fact that Owen was considered in to replace Pierce Brosnan as James Bond in the forth coming Casino Royale (2006), and a tribute to Peter Sellers - the most famous actor to play Inspector Clouseau - who also parodied James Bond in the spoof film, Casino Royale (1967).

I think I will stick to my belief.

Double-Oh-Zero

11-20-2006, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Badbird
SPOILER - about the torture scene.

...I heard in the book, he actually used a whip, not a rope. Ouch.
Carpet beater, actually.

Double ouch.

Tuukka

11-20-2006, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by veddhead83
1)They filmed the two films around the same time frame. (Meaning he had the time to make the cameo and lash out.)
2)He was interested and was a fan favorite to play the part.
3)His character was a secret agent, dressed exactly like 007 and he referred to the character with dialogue that would suggest he was supposed to be Bond.
4)Character named 006
And I knew this before, but
5) According to IMDB - The cameo appearance of Clive Owen is both a nod to the fact that Owen was considered in to replace Pierce Brosnan as James Bond in the forth coming Casino Royale (2006), and a tribute to Peter Sellers - the most famous actor to play Inspector Clouseau - who also parodied James Bond in the spoof film, Casino Royale (1967).

I think I will stick to my belief.

The user submitted info on IMDB (meaning that it's not in any way official info - Just some movie geek's opinion) basicly says that It's a nod to the fact that Owen was considered by MOVIE GEEKS to replace Brosnan. Owen himself however has never expressed any interest in playing the role. Geeks have been telling him he should be the next Bond ever since those BMW short movies came out many years ago. But Owen wasn't interested.

It's the same thing with Hugh Jackman - Another movie geek favourite. Jackman wasn't interested in the role either.

rmarti3926

11-20-2006, 03:18 AM

I loved the movie. Great twist on the Martini line. And Craig saying that famous line make me tickle pink.

SPOILER ALERT

Too bad Bond doesn't get the girl this time (cry.)

Did the person who played contact Mathis look fimiliar? He sounds like Theresa Bond's father in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, (wait a minute, that's TOO old), still...

And unless if you count that defibilator in Bond's Aston Martin as the movie's "resident gadget", no outrageous over-the-top gadgets this time. Which is a refreshing change for a Bond film.

And Jeffrey Wright as Feliz Leighter, He's the first Afro-American to play the CIA agent since Bernie Casey in the unofficial Never Say Never Again.

Overall I love this new Bond film. WAY better than Die Another Day. If you are looking for realism rather than outlandish locales (Ice Palace anyone?) or cheesy CG effects from the last offering, Casino Royale is for you.

9.5/10

bigred760

11-20-2006, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by rmarti3926
I loved the movie. Great twist on the Martini line. And Craig saying that famous line make me tickle pink.

Too bad Bond doesn't get the girl this time (cry.)

Did the person who played contact Mathis look fimiliar? He sounds like Theresa Bond's father in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, (wait a minute, that's TOO old), still...

And unless if you count that defibilator in Bond's Aston Martin as the movie's "resident gadget", no outrageous over-the-top gadgets this time. Which is a refreshing change for a Bond film.

And Jeffrey Wright as Feliz Leighter, He's the first Afro-American to play the CIA agent since Bernie Casey in the unofficial Never Say Never Again.

Overall I love this new Bond film. WAY better than Die Another Day. If you are looking for realism rather than outlandish locales (Ice Palace anyone?) or cheesy CG effects from the last offering, Casino Royale is for you.

9.5/10

You should put some spoiler warnings on your post; some people come in these threads not having seen the movie.

rmarti3926

11-20-2006, 04:28 AM

I've edited my last post to include a Spoiler warning.

Scorpio24

11-20-2006, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by bigred760
That's the thing I liked about this movie; he's just starting out so he's got a long way to go before he gets to the Bond that is "smooth" and "suave." He's got a lot to learn.

Spot on.

Alot of people that have problems with this film seem to be complaining on mass about how Bond has turned from a suave agent into a killing machine closer resembeling a thug.

People have to realise that this is the Bond Flemming had in mind when he wrots this. (The first book)

SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

This is how Bond started out. He wasn't overly suave. He was hostile, a killing machine and shut off emotionaly.

I loved the relationship he had with Vesper. (Sidenote: Eva has the most beautifull breasts.) It shows why is coldness for women evolves to where it has in the more modern Bond's. He was wiliing to give it all up for Vesper only to have it snatched away from him. He finally lets a woman into his heart and it ends in tragedy. I felt like I was watching the moment he decided women would no longer be looked upon as anything but disposable to him.

Craig is a great actor, and in this he shines. He really comes through on the more physical parts but he gives Bond more depth than ever before also.

The opening prologue was ok to good. Was expecting a little more if i'm honest. But......But the opening action scene was frigging awesome. Being scared of heights myself I was shitting myself watching it. Absolute class. The guy he was chasing. Man that fucker could move.

The poker game was okish. They could have had a little bit more excitment going on. The other players at the table were absolute morons. A little bit of realism wouldn't have gone astray.

The time - It did drag on a bit. But it didn't bother me so much.

Funny thing was when I was watching it I wasn't sure if I was enjoying it. Then I got home and still didn't know and then I woke up this morning loving it. That's some weird shit.

As for Craig being the best Bond? Mmmmm jury out for me. Connery was always brilliant. Brosnan was supurp in his early Bonds. Craig certainly put down a marker though.

Overal 8/10

veddhead83

11-20-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Tuukka
The user submitted info on IMDB (meaning that it's not in any way official info - Just some movie geek's opinion) basicly says that It's a nod to the fact that Owen was considered by MOVIE GEEKS to replace Brosnan. Owen himself however has never expressed any interest in playing the role. Geeks have been telling him he should be the next Bond ever since those BMW short movies came out many years ago. But Owen wasn't interested.

It's the same thing with Hugh Jackman - Another movie geek favourite. Jackman wasn't interested in the role either.
How do you "know" all of this??? Random thoughts out of the air???

Scorpio24

11-20-2006, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by veddhead83
How do you "know" all of this??? Random thoughts out of the air???

Not that I can supply a link to prove it but I have read interivews with both men claiming they would never be interested in playing Bond.

Pitty cause Owen would own in that role.

fooknasty

11-20-2006, 11:39 AM

SPOILERS

If I have one flaw with thi smovie, it is the fact that they kill LeChiffe right after he gets down torturing Bond. It put a twist on a movie that I didn't really think needed it. I was expecting LeChiffe to be a badass and then boom, he's done. I was dissapointed in that because I would have loved to see Bond get him back.

I jusrt had to put this in, but the best line in the movie is when LeChiffe is wailing on his nutsack, and Bond tells him he hasn an itch. After LeChiffe hits in, Bond says something to the likes of "Now everyone in the world will know that you scratched my balls." Had me rolling in the aisle.

chinton

11-20-2006, 12:42 PM

I honestly don't get people who herald the era of Brosnan as the golden age of Bond. I mean did theser people actually see most of the terrible Bond films he did particuraly the wretched Die Another Day.

Jerk Shapiro

11-20-2006, 01:44 PM

Remember Goldfinger?

Now picture the exact opposite of that.

That's Casino Royale.

I guess somewhere in the production process it sounded good to take all the coolness out of the Bond movies and make a new Bond movie... Not saying that Craig isn't stylish, or it still doesn't wanna make me be James Bond, but something about this movie just didn't work for me.

I get that it's based on the book and what not, and it's supposed to be "deeper" and "different" than all other Bond movies. But I mean fuck! It's worked for 20 movies so far why change it now?

All in all Casino Royale is an alright film, but in no way is it a good James Bond film. I'd put it down there with some of the most mediocre of all time like A View To A Kill and the Timothy Dalton films...

6/10

SuFiEthon

11-20-2006, 02:41 PM

I have to admit that while going into this film I had low expectations I came out of theatre completely shocked. I was probably one of the first people that said I wouldnt see this movie because of their choice of Daniel Craig as James Bond instead of Pierce Brosnan but after seeing this film I think that Craig did an amazing job. The film itself was very gritty and realistic where as Bond films in the past have gone way over the edge with futuristic technology. I really liked that this Bond was very hand to hand rather than just running into a room and shooting the crap out of everyone. Overall I would give this film a 8/10, and I cant wait for the next one.

slasherfan

11-20-2006, 02:50 PM

Do you guys think Bond will still be going 30 years from now?
Also, I didn't like any of the Brosnin Bond movies, I only watched the first 2 he did. Thought Casino Royale was very good though. Bond seemed a bit ruthless in this one.

Scorpio24

11-20-2006, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by slasherfan
Do you guys think Bond will still be going 30 years from now?
Also, I didn't like any of the Brosnin Bond movies, I only watched the first 2 he did. Thought Casino Royale was very good though. Bond seemed a bit ruthless in this one.

Personaly for me yeah. I think he will still be around.

Bond is one of those charcters that lives on through the changes in the world. There's always stories you can adapt his charcter to.

Agent of God !

11-20-2006, 03:09 PM

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Citizens of Schmoeville I invite you to the
Reviews threads for more Bond discussions.

Tuukka

11-20-2006, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by veddhead83
How do you "know" all of this??? Random thoughts out of the air???

I know it because Clive Owen himself said so:

- - -

"George Pimentel / WireImage.com

Owen's Bond sentence

Clive Owen thinks playing James Bond would be like a prison sentence.

The heartthrob actor was in the running to play the dashing spy after Pierce Brosnan was axed from the part, but says he would have hated being the next 007.

He said: "Playing James Bond would have been like entering a golden prison, and I doubt that would have suited me.

"I may be the only actor who consistently said, 'No, no and no'."

Owen claims he turned the role down because he doesn't think anyone can ever match up to Sean Connery's portrayal of the secret agent.

He explained to Glamour magazine: "I never understood what I would have been able to add to the role, or how I could play a character who has already been defined by the past. For me, Sean Connery is the real James Bond."

- - -

As for Jackman, he originally showed interest, but eventually declined,

- - -

"After months of negotiations with the producers of the James Bond films, Australian front-runner Hugh Jackman has refused a three-film deal to play the smooth-talking agent.

It is 36 years since an Australian swung behind the wheel of the Aston Martin or locked eyes, as Bond, with a scantily clad lovely across the floor of some sumptuous European casino. George Lazenby, in 1969, was the last.

But Lazenby declined to appear a second time as Bond, reportedly because he found the role too intense.

Jackman, likewise, finally found himself unswayed by the job's selective cult status.

He was first offered the role some months ago, but has turned it down after talking with his wife, actress Deborrah-Lee Furness, a British newspaper reported at the weekend.

He was top of the list, and now they have been left with other, less marketable options.

The report said Jackman, 37, rejected the deal because he had a sufficiently high global profile and did not feel the need to throw himself into the strange world of Bond."

- - -

Unfortunately there are no direct quotes from Jackman's decision to drop out from the competition, but his decision was rather widely reported in media.

MidnightAngel

11-20-2006, 04:24 PM

I've seen already Casino Royale and i found it better even without the spy gadgets developed by Q.

fooknasty

11-20-2006, 06:09 PM

There really has not been a good Bond movie since Goldeneye and Dalton was terrible as Bond. So, in fact this is the best Bond in over 20 years.

I loved Craig's depiction of a more gritty, ruthless Bond. In no way did the movie detteriorate any image of what I had of the James Bond character. If anything, this helped strengthen it.

chinton

11-20-2006, 06:37 PM

I'm really glad they went with something new and I'll see this on Wed night.

To make an analogy Die Another Day was like Batman And Robin, an abysmal film that is so bad that it nearly wrecks the franchise. Glad to see this reboot also sounds like it's working.

Badbird

11-20-2006, 08:29 PM

I just don't get the hate for Die Another Day. Was it outlandish? Hell yeah! So was Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, The Spy Who Loved Me, and most every other Bond movie.

The only "low key" Bond movies that come to mind are From Russia with Love, On Her Mejesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, and the two Timothy Dalton movies. I'd say Dr. No, but that movie's plot is so stupid I don't know if it should count.

For most of its life, this series has been about over the top spectical. To me a Bond movie without all the bells and whistles is like a Star Wars movie without light sabers. It could still be cool, but it's not the same.

Take away the puns, the girls, Q, the grand villians, etc, and you have some sort of mish mash of Jason Borne and Spartan. This movie might as well been called The Bond Identity.

I've seen all the Bond movies and like stuff from all over the filmography. I think if you sit down and watch them all in order, you'll appreciate how far they've come and realize that the Brosnan movies are no more outragous than most Connery movies.

Hell, Daniel Craig was only tortured for one scene - Pierce Brosnan was held prisoner for one year in Die Another Day.

Max Cady

11-20-2006, 09:06 PM

just saw it, great movie
Im glad we actually had some story like the classic bond films...
9/10

AaronisMe

11-21-2006, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by Badbird
I just don't get the hate for Die Another Day. Was it outlandish? Hell yeah! So was Goldfinger, Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, The Spy Who Loved Me, and most every other Bond movie.

The only "low key" Bond movies that come to mind are From Russia with Love, On Her Mejesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, and the two Timothy Dalton movies. I'd say Dr. No, but that movie's plot is so stupid I don't know if it should count.

For most of its life, this series has been about over the top spectical. To me a Bond movie without all the bells and whistles is like a Star Wars movie without light sabers. It could still be cool, but it's not the same.

.

Yeah, that's what I thought people loved about these movies. The total popcorn nature that can only be surpassed by a Bruckheimer production. A guy who beds alotta women, has cool toys, cool cars, comeback lines, and gets to kick ass consistently. I didn't know people wanted more depth in this series.

Shockwave

11-21-2006, 08:38 AM

I loved Die Another Day. It was so over the top, it reminded me of a Roger Moore 007 film.

bigred760

11-21-2006, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Jerk Shapiro
I get that it's based on the book and what not, and it's supposed to be "deeper" and "different" than all other Bond movies. But I mean fuck! It's worked for 20 movies so far why change it now?

All in all Casino Royale is an alright film, but in no way is it a good James Bond film. I'd put it down there with some of the most mediocre of all time like A View To A Kill and the Timothy Dalton films...

A View to a Kill and the Dalton films are included in those 20 films.

Why not change it now? Well, in my opinion, the movies - particularly the last Brosnan films had gotten away from Bond and had started relying too heavily on the gadgets and over the top stunts. I didn't mind too much, but I think the invisible car and the surfing portions of Die Another Day had taken it too far. I like this new direction they're taking.

Scorpio24

11-21-2006, 10:38 AM

It still seems to be a strange argument. Why change the charcter now? It's not a change to the charcter it is the charcter. this is how he started off. More brutal killer than suave, gadget mad agent.

This story laid the seeds for his calousness with women. Further films will enhance his charcter's more debenoir side.

veddhead83

11-21-2006, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Tuukka
I know it because Clive Owen himself said so:

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"George Pimentel / WireImage.com

Owen's Bond sentence

Clive Owen thinks playing James Bond would be like a prison sentence.

The heartthrob actor was in the running to play the dashing spy after Pierce Brosnan was axed from the part, but says he would have hated being the next 007.

He said: "Playing James Bond would have been like entering a golden prison, and I doubt that would have suited me.

"I may be the only actor who consistently said, 'No, no and no'."

Owen claims he turned the role down because he doesn't think anyone can ever match up to Sean Connery's portrayal of the secret agent.

He explained to Glamour magazine: "I never understood what I would have been able to add to the role, or how I could play a character who has already been defined by the past. For me, Sean Connery is the real James Bond."

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As for Jackman, he originally showed interest, but eventually declined,

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"After months of negotiations with the producers of the James Bond films, Australian front-runner Hugh Jackman has refused a three-film deal to play the smooth-talking agent.

It is 36 years since an Australian swung behind the wheel of the Aston Martin or locked eyes, as Bond, with a scantily clad lovely across the floor of some sumptuous European casino. George Lazenby, in 1969, was the last.

But Lazenby declined to appear a second time as Bond, reportedly because he found the role too intense.

Jackman, likewise, finally found himself unswayed by the job's selective cult status.

He was first offered the role some months ago, but has turned it down after talking with his wife, actress Deborrah-Lee Furness, a British newspaper reported at the weekend.

He was top of the list, and now they have been left with other, less marketable options.

The report said Jackman, 37, rejected the deal because he had a sufficiently high global profile and did not feel the need to throw himself into the strange world of Bond."

- - -

Unfortunately there are no direct quotes from Jackman's decision to drop out from the competition, but his decision was rather widely reported in media. Sorry, I was always under the impression that Owen wasn't offered the role. I figured he would have wanted it. For some reason I remember reading that in EW or something. Anyway, thanks for clearing that up.

And the Hugh Jackman thing - I wouldn't want him as Bond anyway. He is freakign Wolverine, you can't be two icons.

SheLizard

11-21-2006, 11:56 AM

I was really pro-Clive Owen for a looong time (I still would like to see him do the part at some point), but I've got to admit Daniel Craig really won me over. I thought he did a really good job. (And the hottness factor did not hurt. C'mon, I'm not made of stone here.)

I'd be interested to see him do another one because now I'm really curious to see how his Bond evolves as a character.

bigred760

11-21-2006, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by veddhead83
. . . you can't be two icons.

Sure you can: Harrison Ford - Indiana Jones and Han Solo. Hell, you could throw Jack Ryan in there, though he's not the only one who's played him.

But I don't think Hugh Jackman would've made a good James Bond; Daniel Craig was definitely the right choice.

Agent of God !

11-21-2006, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by bigred760
too much, but I think the invisible car and the surfing portions of Die Another Day had taken it too far. I like this new direction they're taking. [/B]

You forgot to mention the simulation program and all the small reminders of previous Bond films that did more harm to the film than good.

Agent out!
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Bourne101

11-21-2006, 09:14 PM

Wow, this movie blows all Bond flicks out of the water. I am not a huge Bond fan. I find most of them to be quite boring and over the top. Casino Royale is neither boring, nor over the top. Well, mabye a little over the top, but not near as much as the others.

The movie starts out with a bang and finishes with a bang. Several kickass actions scenes, an intense poker game and an amazing performance by Daniel Craig are the highlights of this film. I was entertained from beginning to end.

The movie is so well shot too. Kudos to the director and camera crew! Die Another Day (5/10), bored me to tears and I hated all of Brosnan's Bond's. Craig is the best Bond yet, in the best Bond movie yet.

9/10

chinton

11-21-2006, 11:36 PM

Ya know I hear the "the Bond franchise is supposed to be outrageous" used in defense in DAD all the time and I don't buy it for one second. I'm all for suspending disbelief, but lets look at what DAD has:

INVISIBLE CARS, AN ICE CASTLE, A GIANT MIRROR THING THAT CONTROLS THE SUN, A BAD GUY WITHA SUPERPOWERED SUIT, DNA RECONFIGURATION.

This is not simply suspending one's disbelief this is science fiction and idiotic science fiction at that.

Oh and if you really think about who the bad guy is and the mechanics behind the DNA reconfiguration it MAKES NO SENSE.

I'm sorry but DAD fills me with anger.

ilovemovies

11-22-2006, 03:40 AM

I LOVED Die Another Day. Some of the one liners are cheesily bad and the ice parachute thing was incredibly silly and with some pretty crappy CGI. But other than that I loved it. It was exciting.

I liked Casino Royale but there were times where it didn't feel like Bond. Badbird compared Daniel Craig's Bond to Jason Bourne, but for me, I couldn't help but think he felt less like Bond and more like a copy of Jack Bauer. Now, I love 24. Infact, I actually love 24 even more than the Bond movies. But I don't go to a Bond movie to see Jack Bauer. I go to a Bond movie to see James Bond.

Danger^Cart

11-22-2006, 04:06 AM

Finally saw it.

*SPOILERS*

I love how Bond just walks into an embassy and starts shooting/viciously beating people. Awesome.

*END SPOILERS*

I think they finally achieved the "edgy" Bond they first tried with Dalton, only they actually used a competent actor this time, in a serious flick. IMO, Craig rubbed out Connery as the best Bond. He was brutal in this flick.

As mentioned before, I too dug how he didn't have an "arch nemesis" per say in this film. I thought the torture scene was inventive, and was content with the outcome. I didn't feel like it dragged at the end, either. Not sure what's up with that.

I find it a little disturbing that people's quams about this film are in regard to its departure from its goofy/cartoony predecessors (Goldeneye excluded). If anything thats exactly what makes it great. I can't see how people would actually miss such nonsense. Its terribly vexing.

I think people have been brainwashed to an extent by the aformentioned films, and can't except a little substance in a Bond movie, which is too bad.

9/10 Everything I was hoping for.

rmarti3926

11-22-2006, 04:26 AM

Originally posted by chinton
Ya know I hear the "the Bond franchise is supposed to be outrageous" used in defense in DAD all the time and I don't buy it for one second. I'm all for suspending disbelief, but lets look at what DAD has:

INVISIBLE CARS, AN ICE CASTLE, A GIANT MIRROR THING THAT CONTROLS THE SUN, A BAD GUY WITHA SUPERPOWERED SUIT, DNA RECONFIGURATION.

This is not simply suspending one's disbelief this is science fiction and idiotic science fiction at that.

Oh and if you really think about who the bad guy is and the mechanics behind the DNA reconfiguration it MAKES NO SENSE.

I'm sorry but DAD fills me with anger.

I agree. Die Another Day was WAY too weird. I'd rather prefer my Bond a little more realitstic. That's way in my opinion, Casino Royale is WAY better than the pervious one.

rmarti3926

11-22-2006, 04:40 AM

I hope this movie goes on a direction that future Bond films should follow. And I hope the gadgets in the next film will be more based on realism the way Batman's suit is represented in Batman Beigns.

bigred760

11-22-2006, 10:32 AM

If you think about it, there are some comparisons to Dr. No - no gadgets, Bond using his wits and know-how to investigate, Bond kicks a lot of ass, and the ending involves a building falling into water. I think Connery and Craig had similar ideas as to how Bond was supposed to be.

chinton

11-22-2006, 11:18 AM

You know what is sad, mainly because I feel bad for Ian Fleming, is that when people say "oh but Bond is really supposed to be like this" what they should be saying is cinema Bond is usually like this. I haven't read the books yet, reading them over Christmas, but it seems like so few people realize that CR is the closest interpretation of the true Bond, the book Bond.

Scorpio24

11-22-2006, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by chinton
You know what is sad, mainly because I feel bad for Ian Fleming, is that when people say "oh but Bond is really supposed to be like this" what they should be saying is cinema Bond is usually like this. I haven't read the books yet, reading them over Christmas, but it seems like so few people realize that CR is the closest interpretation of the true Bond, the book Bond.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

This is what i've been saying. I can't understand some of the arguments.

bigd23

11-22-2006, 12:30 PM

I saw this movie last night. Not a typical Bond movie at all. This one had very little action and too much of a "love" story. I did like how Bond was more "real" but the movie itself was a complete mess. Hopefully the next one will have more action...and I'm not talking about Poker being the main action of the movie (that was so boring and drawn out too much). The movie was way too long. They could have cut out about 45 minutes and it would have been a little better but not much. In my opinion it didn't live up to the hype at all.

bigd23

11-22-2006, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by DareDevil
*will contain spoilers*

I can't believe how crazy people are going for this movie, I finally gave up and began to get hyped for the movie, went to the late show tonight and after the movie the first thing we both said was "That sucked".
Here are some of my main complaints
-Movie started strong with the impressive chase seen that really set a high standard for action and never came close to it again.
-Almost every problem/mystery was solved by a cell phone, basically the only gadget bond used the whole time.
-They killed the hot chick to introduce the less hot chick.
-The relationship between the 2nd girl and bond was LAME, and made him look like a pussy, he admitted that killing people was bad and he didn't want to do it and wanted to quit being a spy, she dies and suddenly he wants to be a spy again, LAME.
-Bond sits in a chair naked and gets whipped in the balls threw a hole cut in the seat, and just keeps taking it, he doesn’t seek some kickass major revenge and beet the guys ass, he just gets whipped in the balls while pretending (?) to like it then some other dude comes out of nowhere and saves his ass. (LAME)

Daniel Craig was the worst bond ever IMO, all this movie did was give me a deeper appreciation for MI:3.

Overall.... 4/10

I’m really disappointed I don’t feel the same as you guys and love this movie:(

I had a lot of the same complaints. I'm glad somebody else noticed. :)

dfd3657

11-22-2006, 11:46 PM

'm just going to copy and paste what I said in the "what did you watch today" topic:

First off, let me say that I'm not a very big Bond fan, having only seen the Brosnan flicks (although I've caught parts of the older Bond flicks on TV), and I'm kind of ashamed of that. But with that out of the way, I just have to say holy fucking crap. This movie kicked absolute ass. I remember when Daniel Craig was first announced as Bond, and how pissed off everyone was. But I can safely say that he was absolutely FANTASTIC. As far as I can tell, this is the beginning of Bond, and so there's a reason he acts the way he does: he's not the Bond we know and love yet. And Daniel Craig played him perfectly. I've seen enough Bond movies to know that the last line of the film made me giddy. But yeah, the movie had plenty of amazing action sequences (the opening chase scene was absolutely amazing), and plenty of hot babes to boot (Eva Green is absolutely gorgeous, and Ivana Milicevic is absolutely SMOKING). And I thought that Le Chiffre was a great villian. Granted, probably not as great as the other Bond villians, but still great. He wasn't completely over the top, and I liked that. The movie was a BIT too long, but I can live with that. All in all, a fucking fantastic action movie and one of the best movies I've seen all year. I'll definitely be giving this Casino another visit. And I can't wait to see what Daniel Craig has in store for us in the next Bond flick. 9.5/10

DarkKnight81

11-23-2006, 01:39 AM

Great action + gorgeous women + beautiful locals = Great Bond flick, now my second favorite behind Goldeneye. Daniel Craig proves he was the right man for the job. 8/10

chinton

11-23-2006, 12:47 PM

I am in absolute shock that anyone would say that Daniel Craig wasn't right for the role. Pierce Brosnan left my head within 10 minutes. Daniel Craig really fit the bill of managing to be charming yet ice cold too. His bright bright blue eyes certianly helped with that.

Aside form that I really loved the film. Surprisngly much more well-written and more mature than any Bond film has been in a long time. The story was interesting and I loved the relationship between Vesper and Bond. Their scenes together were great. Yes it kind of meanders in the last 20 minutes but oh well.

Also for those complaining about it not being like a Bond film you guys realize that's what made it great. I loved the fact that there were actually relationships in this film and Bond acted like a real human being.

And i thought it was awesome that the main villian wasn't even supervillian. In fact he was barely even a villian but rather an evil banker more or less. He had no desire to control the world or even steal more money but rather win money back that he lost by playing a fair game of poker. Awesome.

9/10

watisthematrix

11-23-2006, 07:10 PM

As an Action Move- 7/10
As a Bond Movie-1/10

Daniel Craig is no bond

ElderPredator

11-23-2006, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Scorpio24
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!

This is what i've been saying. I can't understand some of the arguments.

Same here, I question almost every argument against this film.

ShaggyLpool

11-23-2006, 07:40 PM

For me its up there with From Russia With Love as the best Bond Film and have to say the best action film ive seen for many a year.

I give it 9.9/10 it loses 0.1 for the awful theme tune at the end. Makes Madonnas Die another Day sound like a classic

BorderEevilIII

11-23-2006, 09:12 PM

All I gotta saaaaaaay is

DAYUM!

Casino Royale is AWESOME.. Kinda kicks Pierce in the ass from "DAD" ;)
Craig really shifts into gear as 007. I was wowed by the kick ass fight scecnes and thrilling moments. The suttle innuendo references were right on cue and though "M" does not appear in the novel......... WHO CARES!
Though I wont go into the specs of the villan..........
The opening credits just won me over and tries out something new versus the tradtional scantly clad women prancing around in bikinis. And Chris Cornell! He did a good job and nice to see the guys doin some vocals this time. I enjoyed Casino and look foward to it again when it hits DVD!

chinton

11-24-2006, 01:40 AM

Also did anyone else get the impression that even Judi Dench seemed to be rejuvinated by the shake-up. Maybe it's just becuase she finally got some good lines for once, but I thought she gave her best performance as M since quite a long time.

Maybe I'm alone here.

bigred760

11-24-2006, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by chinton
Also did anyone else get the impression that even Judi Dench seemed to be rejuvinated by the shake-up. Maybe it's just becuase she finally got some good lines for once, but I thought she gave her best performance as M since quite a long time.

Maybe I'm alone here.

I don't think I'd call it a rejuvenation, but she helped bring out the character of Bond - especially at the end.

chinton

11-24-2006, 02:30 AM

I guess I'm alone. I just thought shye did great.

Either way hopefully they'll keep her as an intergral part rather than just a prop. I really like what they did with her.

bigred760

11-24-2006, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by chinton
I guess I'm alone. I just thought shye did great.

Either way hopefully they'll keep her as an intergral part rather than just a prop. I really like what they did with her.

I think the only way she won't be a part of it is if she chooses not to be. I was suprised when I found out she would be back as M. She did a good job showing how their relationship started out: a little on the rough side. Not too different from Goldeneye.

Mr. Gray

11-24-2006, 09:29 PM

The shit that amuses the fuck outta me is the fact that most of the things that people who dislike the film point out as reasons why they dislike the film are things that WERE IN THE FUCKING NOVEL! You wanna be mad at someone? Be mad Ian Fleming....even though he created the goddamn character. Its frustrating for me to hear people bitch about inane bullshit like "It was too long" or "Where are the gadgets?" For christ sake people, pick the book up before you go spouting off about such trivial bullshit because you THINK its what makes a Bond movie. I bet atleast half of you who went to see The Da Vinci Code atleast gave the book a good "once over" before you wandered into the theatre.

James Bond is not gadgets.
James Bond is not witty one liners.
James Bond is not a pretty boy (contrary to popular opinion)

Anyway, now that that's done....Craig is the best Bond since Connery. You can check my brief review on my profile.

8/10

Badbird

11-25-2006, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Mr. Gray
The shit that amuses the fuck outta me is the fact that most of the things that people who dislike the film point out as reasons why they dislike the film are things that WERE IN THE FUCKING NOVEL! You wanna be mad at someone? Be mad Ian Fleming....even though he created the goddamn character. Its frustrating for me to hear people bitch about inane bullshit like "It was too long" or "Where are the gadgets?" For christ sake people, pick the book up before you go spouting off about such trivial bullshit because you THINK its what makes a Bond movie. I bet atleast half of you who went to see The Da Vinci Code atleast gave the book a good "once over" before you wandered into the theatre.

James Bond is not gadgets.
James Bond is not witty one liners.
James Bond is not a pretty boy (contrary to popular opinion)

Anyway, now that that's done....Craig is the best Bond since Connery. You can check my brief review on my profile.

8/10

Well, just cause it was based on a book doesn't mean the book was any good. Casino Royale is fifty years old, so you can't really compair it to The Da Vinci Code because that was a current best seller. Few people have read the 007 books because they were really nothing but pulp spy novels. I haven't read any myself, so I can't judge, but I've read reviews of people who have read them and didn't like them at all.

Not to mention that the James Bond of the movies doesn't have to be the James Bond of books. Just look at Batman, or X-Men. The movie and comic versions are different, but just as equal in their own medium. So while the book James Bond may not have had dashing good looks and used a few gadgets, forty years of movies prove otherwise.

But the source material isn't always perfect. Look no further that The Phantom of the Opera. If the play is anything like the movie, that has got to be the most dreadful thing in the world. Or The Da Vinci Code. Once again, some people loved the book, some wrote it off as shallow and empty - the fiction equivelant of pop music. The movie pretty much split the same way.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that if the movie had bad parts, maybe the book wasn't any good.

bigred760

11-25-2006, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by Badbird
Well, just cause it was based on a book doesn't mean the book was any good. Casino Royale is fifty years old, so you can't really compair it to The Da Vinci Code because that was a current best seller. Few people have read the 007 books because they were really nothing but pulp spy novels. I haven't read any myself, so I can't judge, but I've read reviews of people who have read them and didn't like them at all.

Not to mention that the James Bond of the movies doesn't have to be the James Bond of books. Just look at Batman, or X-Men. The movie and comic versions are different, but just as equal in their own medium. So while the book James Bond may not have had dashing good looks and used a few gadgets, forty years of movies prove otherwise.

But the source material isn't always perfect. Look no further that The Phantom of the Opera. If the play is anything like the movie, that has got to be the most dreadful thing in the world. Or The Da Vinci Code. Once again, some people loved the book, some wrote it off as shallow and empty - the fiction equivelant of pop music. The movie pretty much split the same way.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that if the movie had bad parts, maybe the book wasn't any good.

Another thing to bring up is that not all James Bond movies were based on Fleming's books. Some fans may prefer the original movies over the ones based on the books. And while Casino Royale was based on the book, it has been updated considerably.

BorderEevilIII

11-25-2006, 02:27 AM

Yes folks CASINO ROYALE was thee first one that Fleming wrote so its BOND BASIC here..... Relies heavily on wit and playing it by ear.
As for the GADGETS when did the character of "Q" gets introduced in the book series?

chinton

11-25-2006, 03:11 AM

Tyler_Durden_208

11-25-2006, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by chinton
I've hear the books are quite good.
I concur. Some of them (The Man With The Golden Gun for example) aren't that great, but for the most part they're the best spy novels I've ever read.

DarkKnight81

11-25-2006, 11:37 AM

I will definitely picking up the book now to see what all the fuss is about. Either way, I loved the movie.

Tuukka

11-25-2006, 12:44 PM

Some people are forgetting that the Bond franchise has been re-invented several times:

1. Moore's Bond was very different to Connery's Bond. The rough, serious and edgy Bond got replaced with an ironic, comedic, elegant mannequin. (I do think that Moore rocks, but that's besides the point)

2. On Her Majestic's Secret Service had Bond getting MARRIED, so it's not exactly first time for a real love has played a part in a Bond movie. And contrary to what revisionist historians might want you to believe, OHMSS was the 2nd most commercially succesful movie of 1969, and Lazenby was wanted for future Bond's as well - He simply refused to do the role again.

3. Many Bond movies are waaaaaaay more lighter on action than CR. For example Man With The Golden Gun has barely any action at all.

4. Bond movies with NO GADGETS (Excluding standard, real-world spyware): Dr.No, From Russia With Love, Man With The Golden Gun, For Your Eyes Only.

5. No Q? Well, Moore's first Bond, Live and Let Die, didn't have Q either.

BigRedNeck

11-25-2006, 09:07 PM

I liked it.

A bond that can fight.

Cronos

11-26-2006, 01:25 AM

i liked it, im still not entirely sure about Craig as Bond but i think i'll change my mind with future films or possibly on a re-watch. i really dug the plot and there were some excellent scenes in the latter half. i liked that it relied on the characters actions and script than lots of explosions and gun fights. also i really didnt notice the lack of Q

Casino Royale surprised me quite a lot and i do look forward to seeing him reprise the role of Bond, i think he could be great

horsehead

11-30-2006, 04:14 AM

anyone tell me at what point Vesper was turned? Was it before she joined the service, or when Bond was poisoned? Does anyone know???

bigred760

11-30-2006, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by horsehead
anyone tell me at what point Vesper was turned? Was it before she joined the service, or when Bond was poisoned? Does anyone know???

SPOILERS!!!!

It was after the torture scene . . . the terrorists killed everyone and told her that they had her loved one and to get their money back. That's when.

Agent of God !

11-30-2006, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by watisthematrix
As an Action Move- 7/10
As a Bond Movie-1/10
Daniel Craig is no bond

I wrote on many occasions before seeing Casino Royale that i didn't like Daniel Craig as the new Bond. When i saw Lara Croft 1 i asked myself why o why they had chosen that guy who really didn't seem to have anything going for him and i avoided anything with him especially Layer Cake. One thing that helped him outdo himself is that he was surrounded by the best (Script, Director, cast and crew) and he did it, period.

Agent out!
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LeftyRuggiero

12-01-2006, 11:59 AM

I just saw this last night....i know i know, what was i waiting for...and i STILL CANT GET OVER HOW AWESOME IT WAS!!!!

SPOILERS!!!

I loved the "does it look like i care" line....that was just perfect!!!!

I loved when he said "i always thought M was a randomly assigned #"

I loved the Aston Martin (both of them) the first one was the same as in goldfinger!!!

I loved Eva Green!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I loved the line "now they will know you scratched my balls"

I loved the end when he was all dressed up fancy and delivered THE LINE!!!

Scorpio24

12-01-2006, 01:03 PM

So i'm going to go out on a whim here. You loved it right?

horsehead

12-01-2006, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Scorpio24
So i'm going to go out on a whim here. You loved it right?

Nah, he's just talking big...he never saw it!:D

LeftyRuggiero

12-01-2006, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Scorpio24
So i'm going to go out on a whim here. You loved it right?

VERY MUCH SO!!!!!!!!!!

LeftyRuggiero

12-01-2006, 01:14 PM

just in case it hasnt been posted....

here is the guy (minus the scar) from the opening chase sequence...

http://www.parkour.com/pk/homepage.htm

Sébastien Foucan

Gaea

12-01-2006, 09:50 PM

I finally caught Casino Royal last night. Frankly, I really enjoyed it. I was not quite sure if Craig could pull it off but he was a very believable Bond, so much so that I hope they either keep him or at least have the character keep some of that rawness (if that makes sense). I had heard a few diff reviews so i wasn't at all sure what to think and i can where some of the compliants come from but overall, the whole film was a great ride.

The storyline was solid much more so than in recent years. I love that it appealed to me both on a story level and also my love of brute violence :-)

But the parts I liked the most were those that helped expose Bond and show us hint into how he became who he is. Because of Craig and casino Royal, Bond has moved up a few notches on the best character meter.

Can't wait for the DVD!

horsehead

12-02-2006, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by Gaea

Can't wait for the DVD!

That's a good point, has anyone heard anything on a release date for the DVD? (let's face it they're releasing them as soon as they are finished at the cinema these days)

mutesaint

12-05-2006, 03:44 PM

In my opinion this is my favorite bond movie, and Daniels is the best Bond. Keep in mind people that I read the books before I really saw the movies, so I never had any problem with the goofy shit going away.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Vesper turned before we even met her. There are those lines about the neckless she wears. She turned because her Armenian(I think) boyfrined/lover was kidnapped by the badguys. They would have killed him if she didnt turn. At least that is what I believe.

bigred760

12-06-2006, 01:01 PM

Just saw it for the second time; holds up really well. I think I liked the poker scenes better this time around, even though I knew what was coming.

SPOILERS!!!

As for the time frame when Vesper turns - I still think it's during the torture scenes. Because up until then, Le Chifre was winning the game and remember: Vesper wouldn't let Bond buy back in. A lot of time could've passed between the time Le Chifre is killed and when Bond wakes up in the hospital. I think it's then that they make a deal with her.

Bearsmovies

12-07-2006, 01:37 PM

I saw this one and it was great, I am a fan of the Bond films I just wished they would get away from the gadgets, and get to a story. Well this one had it, a great story and Craig is perfect for the role. He is closer to the Book's idea of Bond then any of them. I would totally recommend this one

horsehead

12-07-2006, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by bigred760

SPOILERS!!!

As for the time frame when Vesper turns - I still think it's during the torture scenes. Because up until then, Le Chifre was winning the game and remember: Vesper wouldn't let Bond buy back in. A lot of time could've passed between the time Le Chifre is killed and when Bond wakes up in the hospital. I think it's then that they make a deal with her.

But why does M then say about 'looking at our own'?

Bearsmovies

12-07-2006, 03:35 PM

I think she had a deal with them early on. She just never expected to fall for 007........................M was on to her...............

slapshot63

12-07-2006, 05:04 PM

Saw it last night. I give it an A. Great movie, my favorite Bond flick and Craig is definetly my favorite Bond.

bigred760

12-08-2006, 10:09 AM

Again, SPOILERS!!!

Originally posted by horsehead
But why does M then say about 'looking at our own'?

She was just saying that the good guys were to busy watching the bad guys and never paid attention to protecting their own. That's how the bad guys were able to get to her.

At least, that's my thinking. Plus, she helps out Bond by leaving her cell phone and text messaging him the name of Mr. White - which leads me to believe that she was forced to do what she did, and was never a bad guy, but more of a pawn.

horsehead

12-09-2006, 02:09 AM

hmmmm Eva Green in a pawn moview... I'd like that

Agent of God !

12-09-2006, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by bigred760
Plus, she helps out Bond by leaving her cell phone and text messaging him the name of Mr. White - which leads me to believe that she was forced to do what she did, and was never a bad gal, but more of a pawn.

I can't wait to see who the players are.

Agent out!
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gyro_44

12-13-2006, 11:30 AM

I finally saw this after a busy month, and I was impressed.

Casino Royale is satisfying in much the same way Batman Begins was: it plays off our expectations of a legendary character and gives him interesting roots. Craig is completely believable and I most enjoyed his performance when he was an arrogant, cocky little shit. I think the reason why this film really works is because of the relationship/dynamic between Bond and Vesper. I bought the romance completely. It brings Bond's icy cold demeanor to the surface and through Vesper's eyes we see what makes him a ruthless killing machine, why he is the way he is. Eva Green is gorgeous and makes a great match for Craig.

The action scenes are down, dirty and intense and I really liked that. It's nice to see exceptional stunt work and practical effects highlighted in this progressively computer-reliant era.

Mads Mikkelson has such a cool sinister look to him that it's hard not to enjoy him as the villain. I liked that he was more restrained, and we still got an eye that cries tears of blood - nice touch.

CR is so much different from the last Bond flick, Die Another Day. They are practically night and day. While some people might miss the high-tech thrills and umpteen action sequences, I think this Bond is quite striking for his human qualities, and at this juncture that's something this franchise badly needed to retain any kind of credibility.

It's a long film, but the only time I thought it dragged on was during the last 30 minutes. Overall, it's a solid movie - James Bond for adults.

Seems like an 8 of 10 right now.