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ColinM

03-18-2002, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Lazycouch:
And ol' snobby Colinm, ak, max, and whoever will bash it like nobody's business without even seeing the film. Then you'll have people walking into the movie so they can pick it apart and trash it on the Internet.

Sigh....critics have ruined decent entertainment.

Come on, Lazycouch. I have seen this movie before! It was called Blade and it came out in 1998. And I hated it. How different from the first one can this movie possibly be?

While I don't appreciate being called "snobby", I guess I can see why you'd think that. The only times I've seen you on this board are talking about Resident Evil and Blade II, two of the least-anticipated movies of the year for me. We just have different movie taste is all...

But I assure you I give every movie a chance. I did for your precious Resident Evil and I will try my hardest to do it for Blade II (although that will probably be my biggest challenge yet).

However, if I think a movie is going to be bad, I say so. Just like you think this movie is going to be good, so you say so. You don't see me constantly telling you to "wait until you see the damn movie before you judge it" when you say it looks good, do you?

And why do you constantly say that critics have ruined movie entertainment when you are talking about me? I'm not a critic, I am a movie fan like you. You have to realize that it's not only critics that dislike movies that you like.

And for fuck's sake, ak and max haven't said a word in this thread, so how could you bring them into this?

Seriously, Lazycouch, get over yourself.

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Lazycouch

03-18-2002, 10:36 PM

Actually, I doubt Blade 2 will be worse than the first one. I am somewhat excited, because the first one was brainless, gory, bloody fun for me.

Early word of mouth from test screenning reviews has been nothing BUT positive. They have all said this sequal wipes the floor with the first one, just like Terminator 2 wiped the floor with the first one.

From what they've said, this isn't just another brainless fun action movie that comes and goes, this is a slam-bang, in-your-face, bloody, gory, badass, grab-you-by-the-balls-and-never-lets-you-go action, that will instantly become a cult classic. Harry Knowles, the blumbering fatass, stated that this is the one of the best sci-fi/action/horror movies ever, right up there with Dark City, and Aliens.

I nowhere expect this movie to be well received by the critics. I mean, look at it. It's critic proof. But, we'll just have to wait and see if the positive word of mouth is actually true or not.

Dehydrator

03-19-2002, 05:52 AM

If you guys hated the first one, why bother even talking about the sequel? You know, this ain't gonna be that much of a change from the first. It will be Wesley Snipes playing Blade and kicking ass. If you hate that stuff, the answer is simple: Don't see it! Watch something that is less likely to piss you off. And since when have the critics that are gonna bash it have anything important to say? Is this a proove for this movie's non-quality? Just because somebody says BLADE II is crap?

just an idea...

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NomadKnight

03-19-2002, 10:14 AM

They change the director so we can expect a different point of view..

ColinM

03-19-2002, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Dehydrator:
If you guys hated the first one, why bother even talking about the sequel?

Well, the reason I'm talking about it is because that's what these threads are for...talking about how we think the movie will be.

idealdiscountdude

03-19-2002, 04:31 PM

A piece of advice, that you guys have heard many, many times!!!

"Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one!"

If someone doesn't like something, or has no interest in seeing something that is THEIR opinion, which they are more than welcome to state.

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Professor Steve

03-19-2002, 04:37 PM

All I know is this is the ONLY movie in a long time to NOT get one single bad pre-review (that I've seen). I can only hope it lives up to the reviews on aintitcool.com as Harry and the gang praise the shite out of it.

Ender

03-19-2002, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Lazycouch:
Actually, I doubt Blade 2 will be worse than the first one. I am somewhat excited.

Yes, but in all fairness Couch, you get excited over just about everything. Please try not to take that as an insult, it's not meant to be, just a fair observation about your viewing habits.

And as much as I hated the first one, I am willing to give this a shot. There are few things about it that look appealing.

But you'll excuse me if I'm not on the edge of my seat. The purpose of promotional material is to give audiences an idea about what the movie is going to be like, and if I don't like what I see in the previews, stand by my right to criticize it.

chinton

03-19-2002, 05:09 PM

is nobody reading the incredible reviews this is getting. I read another great one on coronas upcoming attractions

Lazycouch

03-19-2002, 05:33 PM

They got 4 new reviews on Dark Horizons. All of them are positive.

chinton

03-19-2002, 10:43 PM

I just saw another review on Hollywood Reporter. They liked it for its technichal skills but hated it because it was dark, violent, and gruesome.

I dont know what theyre complaining about. That just makes me want to see it more.

Tuukka

03-20-2002, 10:06 AM

Variety also gave it a positive review.

Seph

03-20-2002, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by chinton:
I just saw another review on Hollywood Reporter. They liked it for its technichal skills but hated it because it was dark, violent, and gruesome.

I dont know what theyre complaining about. That just makes me want to see it more.

I'm sayin', if that's their biggest "complaint," things are lookin' good...

Tuukka

03-21-2002, 11:23 AM

It's obvious that many mainstream critics are gonna give the film thumbs down simply because of it's nature: Blade 2 is a violent, nihilistic, dark, unrealistic genre flick that is more interested in action and coolness than in deeper meaning and three dimensional characters. Many critics are going to hate it for that. Anyway, even all the negative reviews are praising many aspects of the film, especially the direction by Del Toro. I had a feeling that he would inject new energy to the Blade series. First part was pretty mediocre in my opinion but this one sounds like a lot of fun.

entitee

03-22-2002, 04:22 PM

come on people!
where are the early reviews???

idealdiscountdude

03-22-2002, 04:26 PM

Ebert gave it ***1/2 stars!!!!

Jeet!

Lazycouch

03-22-2002, 04:52 PM

I think Blade 2 will be pretty good, but you also have to remember that Ebert dissed The Others and liked Tomb Raider.

gyro_44

03-22-2002, 05:33 PM

I saw "Blade II" last night at an advance screening. It was enjoyable. Visually, it's like the dark netherworld of a comic book, and the action barely lets up. The villains are terrific and disgusting as well.

On a final note: could Wesley Snipes BE any cooler?? http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif

max

03-22-2002, 05:44 PM

[quote]On a final note: could Wesley Snipes BE any cooler??[quote]

Yea, he can stop acting cool and go back to cool acting. He's wasting his talent on crap, no matter how entertaining they may be. He deserves better. We deserve better.

Jo-Jo

03-22-2002, 07:02 PM

I love it when schmoes come on and post absolutly nothing to boost their numbers.

If you hated the first film of a series, you're probably going to hate the sequel. I agree with Dehydrator. You guys are in this thread for no reason but to trash a film that hasn't been released yet.

I understand that you didn't like the original, but you do realize that sequels are sometimes different and more enjoyable than the original, right. Probably not, but hey, you can't agree with every asshole... I mean opinion.

Now please come and attack this post, and be sure to make points in seperate posts that you can make it over that 1000, 2000, or 3000 post mark by the end of the month.

BTW, I'll be at the theatre watching this while you're complaining.

JDog83

03-22-2002, 07:04 PM

It was a good movie. However, I find it funny that the same critics who trashed Resident Evil are giving good grades to Blade II even though it suffers the same problems as RE--VERY undeveloped characters and plot holes.

Blade II was worth the 6 dollars I payed to see it but it wasn't as good as the first one and the opening credits music was awful--talk about cheesy. I thought for a second I was watching SHAFT.

Silverload

03-22-2002, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by gyro_44:
I saw "Blade II" last night at an advance screening. It was enjoyable. Visually, it's like the dark netherworld of a comic book, and the action barely lets up. The villains are terrific and disgusting as well.

Excellent way to describe Blade 2, a dark netherworld of a comic book, and the action barely lets up. Also the reapers are gross as hell when they drink blood. This movie is excellent. If you enjoy entertaining movies then you will love this. If you are one of those people that hate entertainment because you feel it insults you intelligence (LOL), then do not waste your time. I would write a larger review for this movie but I am too tired. I will write one tomorrow.

Blade 2
9/10

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cutman

03-22-2002, 10:06 PM

I just got back from the theater...

Blade II kicks some serious ass. Some parts are sort of cheesy, but who the hell cares? Not I...

The action was absolutely awesome, as were the special effects, music, etc. I really enjoyed this movie. I'm one of the few people I know who liked the first Blade, and I liked this one even more. I'm considering seeing it again in the theater, and I will definitely buy the DVD.

Sorry this isn't a very good review, but I don't want to review the movie...I want to discuss it. Once more people have seen it and there are no worries about Spoilers, I'll be back...

cutman

03-22-2002, 11:08 PM

There's two ways you can look at it. One, from a careless "Let's-get-my-two-best- friends-and-watch-a-cool-lookin'-black-dude- kick-some-ASS and with gore on the side. Lots of it" way. OR, a more "mature" way. Let's face it. This ain't a mature movie. If you're going to see a movie based on a comic book for it's acting, riveting story, etc etc...chances are you're going to be ranting and raving like a dick when you come out of the theater. To some it up, this movie is in no way a "good movie". It's a kick ass movie. So if you want good acting, an original plot, a riveting score and great directing...well...from reading peoples' posts...movies like that don't exist. Ah well. If you're bored, go see Blade 2.

Common Sense Man

03-23-2002, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by JDog83:
It was a good movie. However, I find it funny that the same critics who trashed Resident Evil are giving good grades to Blade II even though it suffers the same problems as RE.

What you talkin about Willis!

This movie (B2) kicked RE ass! I totally agree with any critic who pans RE but gives B2 a good review it was head and shoulders about RE!

http://www.creature-corner.com/graphics/blade.jpg

Blade burns down RE!

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And there are no plot holes in comparision to the ones you could drive a Mac truck thru in RE.

The Reavers are 100 times more freaky and scarier than the Zombies of RE and don't even attempt to compare the CGI.

Sure a couple of times the cyber Blade looked a bit gumbyesque but nothing compared to the terrible licker from RE.

And the Reaver mouth effect was flawless.

It far surpased Blade and it will make gobs more money than RE, not that money makes a film good.

The story was tight and actually interesting, the action was fast paced and enjoyable to watch, not the same old stuff over and over again.

It was shot wonderfully. But not so overdone that it appeared that every shot was a beauty shot.

The ending scene when he is standing in front of the rising sun with the swirling ash before him is classic anime and was perfect.

There is just enough cheese for the audience to feel like they are in on the private jokes but not so much that it appears overacted.

Every gimick hit the mark in the theater I was in, and it was packed.

Sure it is the standard action flick and by that I mean no deep delving into characters or slow talks by the fireside.

But this is a kickin ass movie and thats what they do and do very well.

I have never liked Snipes but he has found a home in this role and the franchise will live on.

You can tell they put some work into this flick something they obviously did not with RE.

If you cannot decide which to see choose Blade 2.

Long after the RE series runs it's course and is lying in a ditch Blade will still be killin Vamps in style.

8/10 it delivers what you expect for an action movie, hands down.

Out......................

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Quebec-Joel

03-23-2002, 02:33 AM

I go see every horror movies that go in Theatre pretty much and I will go see this one cause I think it should be entertaining. And a movie like that have just one pretention, to entertain.

Strider

03-23-2002, 07:34 AM

Blade II (2002)

Rated R for Strong Pervasive Violence, Language, Drug Use, & Sexual Content

Director: Guillermo Del Toro

Starring Wesley Snipes, Kris Kristofferson, Ron Perlman, Luke Goss, Leonor Varela, Norman Reedus, & Donnie Yen.

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0187738/CN-104-3A.jpg

The film's plot focuses on Blade(Wesley Snipes) who is still hunting and killing vampires. Blade is eventually confronted by a group of vampires called the "Blood Pack". They beg Blade to help them fight a new breed of undead called "Reapers", who will wipe out the entire human and vampire race, if they are not stopped. Blade agrees to join forces with his enemies, but he will be in charge of everything.

One of the reasons this sequel works, is because of Guillermo Del Toro. Just recently, he had said he wanted to make the "world's most ass-kicking film". Indeed. Blade II is exactly that. Del Toro blows you away with every single action sequence. Del Toro also brought a great visual style, and a very energetic feel to this sequel.

Wesley Snipes returns once again to reprise his role as the vampire hunter. And once again, he delivers a solid performance, and most importantly, kicks ass! His character is basically the same as in the original, which is a good thing. However, there is one drastic change with the character: Blade seems to be much more at peace with who and what he is. I thought that was a nice little touch to the character. As for the rest of the cast: Kris Kristofferson reprises his role as Whistler. I am so glad he was brought back, for he brings a certain amount of sarcasm and wit that is very enjoyable. I also genuinely liked Ron Perlman as Reinhardt, who is just a bad ass, and plays the role of the semi-hero and villain perfectly. I enjoyed Leonor Varela's performance as well. She brought some much-needed sex appeal to the film. And surprisingly, her character develops a little bit of a romance with Blade, which was nice.

On the downside: The film hardly had any dialogue. But really, who cares? Watch this film, and believe me, it won't matter to you either. Blade II features a new batch of characters, and you would think they would be well developed, correct? Well, that isn't the case. You really don't know much about them at all. This did not bother me, but I believe it could've been worked on.

Blade II is an awesome sequel, and manages to top the original. If you're looking for a good time, go see Blade II right away. Trust me, you will not be disappointed. Guillermo Del Toro will kick your ass, just like he did mine.

Running Time: 1 hour 50 minutes

Grade: 9/10

Strider

daddiefatsacks

03-23-2002, 04:37 PM

i saw this last night with a bunch of people, and the whole theater was totally into this movie. Did it ever slow down? cause everytime i wanted to go take a piss, there would be something going on!! So many action scenes, so many cool characters (Ron Perlman is awesome) and Wesley Snipes is the Vampire Shaft..."You do not, know who you...are FUCKING WITH"

*SPOILERS*
*SPOILERS*
I think the scene where he comes out of the pool of blood and just annihilates the entire room is fucking great, and it definately topped the Rave Scene from the first blade.
*End of Spoilers*
*End of Spoilers*

This is the epitomy of a FUN movie
8/10

XCoRyX

03-23-2002, 08:04 PM

well just saw blade 2 today,only because my dad wouldnt take me to se toxic avenger 4 (its too far to him,but really on 20 minutes away) and it wasnt THAT Bad,in fact i liked this better then the original,and thats honestly...the vampires look awesome,altogether worth the money,but i got in for free http://www.joblo.com/ubb/smile.gif 7/10

Moviefreek

03-23-2002, 11:19 PM

This movie kicked! It was good stuff, eyes were hooked on the screen the whole time, better than the original, action packed, more comic book style than the first, 8/10, check this one out!

notchreturns

03-23-2002, 11:54 PM

To sweet for words.I loved Blade 2 from the opening scene from the last.It was just so fun.Wesley Snipes once again kicks ass, as does the rest of the cast.Gullimero Del Toro did a great job.I loved the whole feel of the movie, dark and grimy.The action was non-stop.I loved the fight Blade had near the end against like 50 of the vampires destroying them all and has one final scum to take of and he spurts out the line "do you blush?" .An all around fun flick with great visuals,make-up and action for all.This is not a film to be missed.9/10

Indyjjjj

03-24-2002, 01:28 AM

I enjoyed this flick immensely, and i'm a guy who is tired of all this high tech razzle dazzle ninja style sequences and CGI. Granted, the CGI in a few shots was really bad, but the rest was pretty good. Fast paced action is the order of the day here, and it doesn't let up. The Reapers were really good, though I wish they were a bit more savage (like ripping off a vampire's head). It is more action-oriented than the first and is the slightly better film. I love the ending bits to these movies. Blade is in a different country and dispatches a vampire in the final scene. I hope they continue that tradition in subsequent films.

Kami

03-24-2002, 04:19 AM

I loved it, although I kept thinking how much I'd love to see Entertainment Weekly try a body count on this movie. I have a couple questions cause there were some things I just didn't get.

**SPOILERS**

If Whistler was a vampire and was given that serum thing, how come he could walk in the sun? I thought it just made him not want to drink blood.

How could the head dude die from his throat being gnawed open? I thought you need to kill them certain ways. How come he had green blood?

We had a great audience. When Blade caught his sunglasses, everyone laughed and half started clapping. I love movie audiences like that! ^^ And I agree, that sunlight scene at the end was very cool. The fight between Nyssa and Blade was BADass!! 8/10

Silverload

03-24-2002, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Kami:

**SPOILERS**

If Whistler was a vampire and was given that serum thing, how come he could walk in the sun? I thought it just made him not want to drink blood.

Blade gave him the cure that was made in the first movie.

chrisboo

03-25-2002, 02:37 PM

While this movie was definitely well done from the action side, why can't they take 5 minutes of extra thought and try and fill in some of the gaps and do a double check on logic? Though somewhat minor, they just take the some of the air out of an otherwise excellent movie.

To illustrate:

***Spoilers***

Why, after a dissection of a Reaver (or is it Reaper?) and discussion of their few weaknesses, does everyone avoid using the only thing that hurts them badly and immediately until the last possible moment (bright lights)?

Why, with fully-automatic weapons full of silver-tipped bullets, can no one penetrate the bony heart sheild that Blade manages to get through with only a sword (and it was even broken at that point I think...)?

Why can't they cure all the vampires like they cured Whistler?

Why does virtually every ninja-style fighting scene have to have the Hero fight one at a time?

And, while said Hero is fighting 50 stun-baton wielding fighters, does the Big Bad Guy just stand there with a rifle and not take our Hero down (I know why, I'm just making my point)?

That's just a few issues, there were definitely some others... I went into this movie with the expectation of the kind of movie it turned out to be, so I was not disappointed generally (even a little pleasantly surprised). I was disappointed, though, in that this could have easily been an excellent action movie instead of just a pretty good one. Just because you're making a movie that "kick's ass" doesn't mean you HAVE to ignore plot and logic. Plot was actually decent (not complicated, but ok) in this film, though, and so no points off for that.

7/10

BTW- I am purposely not listing the many things about the movie that _were_ really cool as there are sure to be a limitless number of posts on how awesome they were.

Antwort

03-26-2002, 04:03 PM

SPOILERS!!!!!!

Originally posted by chrisboo:

***Spoilers***

Why, after a dissection of a Reaver (or is it Reaper?) and discussion of their few weaknesses, does everyone avoid using the only thing that hurts them badly and immediately until the last possible moment (bright lights)?

Blade used those light grenades all the time, the vampires could not because it hurts them as well. Remember when Ron Perlman shinned the light on that one, he had to look away and hold the light really far from him because it hurt him.

Originally posted by chrisboo:
Why, with fully-automatic weapons full of silver-tipped bullets, can no one penetrate the bony heart sheild that Blade manages to get through with only a sword (and it was even broken at that point I think...)?

The bone did not cover the entire heart, there was a small opening on the side of the heart. That is where Blade stuck the sword, in the small opening on the side. Also the sword was not broken at the point. The handle broke off and Blade hides the blade of the sword inside his arm under the skin, that is why when you see the blade lowering blood is pouring off of it.

Originally posted by chrisboo:
Why can't they cure all the vampires like they cured Whistler?

They don’t want to be cured. They were familiars, they work for the vampires and then when they prove themselves they are turned. So they wanted to be vampires. And the cure only works on the ones that were bitten.

Originally posted by chrisboo:
Why does virtually every ninja-style fighting scene have to have the Hero fight one at a time?

Blade fought more then one at a time in both the first and second movie.

The one and only problem I seen in the movie was when Whistler beat up Ron Perlman. After he beat him up he took Blade’s weapons and escaped to find Blade, why didn’t he just kill Perlman with Blade’s sword after he beat Perlman up? Other then that complaint I did not see anything else wrong with the movie.

chrisboo

03-26-2002, 05:20 PM

SPOILERS!!!!!!

Originally posted by Antwort:
SPOILERS!!!!!!
Blade used those light grenades all the time, the vampires could not because it hurts them as well. Remember when Ron Perlman shinned the light on that one, he had to look away and hold the light really far from him because it hurt him.


Actually, I am pretty sure the vampires in the posse DID use the lights, they just had to be careful not to shine them on each other (thinking about the sewer scenes, and specifically when they first encounter the first large group in that sequence). My complaint was that they just used the "useless" silver bullet machine guns until the reap(v)ers were nearly on top of them. Whistler was being careless, and that's why he was scolded. Clearly, since the sword worked, the silver bullets would have had the same effect given a good hit. It's just bone.

Originally posted by Antwort:

The bone did not cover the entire heart, there was a small opening on the side of the heart. That is where Blade stuck the sword, in the small opening on the side. Also the sword was not broken at the point. The handle broke off and Blade hides the blade of the sword inside his arm under the skin, that is why when you see the blade lowering blood is pouring off of it.


Ok, yes. The handle was broken off. Broken. Defintely more difficult to get leverage, hole or no hole, seems like a few hundred silver bullets could have broken through on somebody.

Originally posted by Antwort:

They don’t want to be cured. They were familiars, they work for the vampires and then when they prove themselves they are turned. So they wanted to be vampires. And the cure only works on the ones that were bitten.


Right. Forget the familiars. Vampires only. I don't think Whistler wanted to be cured. Why not lock them (the other vamps) in rooms too?

Originally posted by Antwort:

Blade fought more then one at a time in both the first and second movie.


Never saw the first one. Watch this one again, though. The bad guys come at him one at a time when he's breakin out the Bruce Lee moves. I suppose it just has to be part of the formula. It's just a little tiresome (IMHO).

Scarface98.9

03-26-2002, 06:30 PM

Originally posted by chrisboo:
SPOILERS!!!!!!
The bad guys come at him one at a time when he's breakin out the Bruce Lee moves. I suppose it just has to be part of the formula. It's just a little tiresome (IMHO).


but if u criticize the movie for that, u'd be criticizing almost every action movie out there. almost all of them have at least 1 scene where the heroes attack 1 by 1

Professor Steve

03-26-2002, 07:19 PM

I agree, in Blade the fights were always one-after-one and it did get tiring, if not just unbelievable.

Watch Blade I, while there's a lot of one-on-one, there's a bunch of two-on-one fights two. Blade always does something to one guy, moves on to the next - but then goes back to the original one to level the final blow. The fighting is MUCH better in that movie.

Common Sense Man

03-27-2002, 04:59 AM

Blade 2 has raked in over 35 mill in only 4 days!

Expect it to make more than the 70 mill that Blade made and easily make back the 55 mill cost of making Blade 2.

Out................

chrisboo

03-27-2002, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Scarface98.9:
Originally posted by chrisboo:
SPOILERS!!!!!!
The bad guys come at him one at a time when he's breakin out the Bruce Lee moves. I suppose it just has to be part of the formula. It's just a little tiresome (IMHO).


but if u criticize the movie for that, u'd be criticizing almost every action movie out there. almost all of them have at least 1 scene where the heroes attack 1 by 1

It _is_ a criticism I have of action movies that do that because it's old!! The ones that find more interesting ways to kick multiple butts score more points with me. Each scene that make me roll my eyes and say "oh christ" adds up eventually to a lost point or 2. Just because so many movies do it doesn't make them any better either!

Cheap martial arts movies have been kicking people's butts like this for decades. I expect more from a big budget movie, and I think that's fair.

Freak

03-27-2002, 12:14 PM

I liked the first Blade but this one deceived me a bit ... The director tried to many times to do fucked up camera effets and I didn't like that.

6/10

dustinmfox

03-27-2002, 03:27 PM

This was probably the best movie I've seen all year putting Oceans 11, and The Others right ahead. I don't know why so many people are bashing it, epecially the ones who haven't seen it. The movie is somewhat predictable, but keeps you guessing enough. I really liked the sub-plot of trust with the blood pack and Whistler. The ending was good, but not great. It certainly left it open for a part 3, I'll be there

Antwort

03-27-2002, 04:42 PM

SPOILERS!!!!!!

Originally posted by chrisboo:
Actually, I am pretty sure the vampires in the posse DID use the lights, they just had to be careful not to shine them on each other (thinking about the sewer scenes, and specifically when they first encounter the first large group in that sequence). My complaint was that they just used the "useless" silver bullet machine guns until the reap(v)ers were nearly on top of them. Whistler was being careless, and that's why he was scolded. Clearly, since the sword worked, the silver bullets would have had the same effect given a good hit. It's just bone.


Yes they did have lights, but they kept the lights covered with a filter. They got made at Whistler when he took the filter off of his light. And the guns did work, the guns might not have killed the Reapers but it sure did keep them back. They might have even killed a few by shooting bullets through the little hole in the bone that cover the Reapers hearts, but their was so many of them we could not see what has coming or going.

Originally posted by chrisboo:
Ok, yes. The handle was broken off. Broken. Defintely more difficult to get leverage, hole or no hole, seems like a few hundred silver bullets could have broken through on somebody.

Blade is strong as hell, I doubt that leverage would be a problem for him. And like I said, a few bullets might have slipped through that tiny hole on some reapers but they were so many of them you could not see what was happening.

Originally posted by chrisboo:
Right. Forget the familiars. Vampires only. I don't think Whistler wanted to be cured. Why not lock them (the other vamps) in rooms too? 

All the vampires use to be familiars, if Blade cured them they would still keep helping the other vampires. Blade did not care if they were human or not, if they helped vampires he killed them. Whistler was completely out of it, he was half dead when Blade found him. That is why Blade was able to take him so easy. Do you think the other vampires would just set still while Blade put them in a room, or tried to cure them? They would try to kill him.

Originally posted by chrisboo:
Never saw the first one. Watch this one again, though. The bad guys come at him one at a time when he's breakin out the Bruce Lee moves. I suppose it just has to be part of the formula. It's just a little tiresome (IMHO). 

True some times they attacked him one at a time, but also there were times when 3 or 4 people attacked him at once. And if fighting scenes are boring to you, why even go to the movie. I love the fighting scenes and a ton of other people like it as well. Just because you think it is old does not mean it is, I could watch fight scenes all day long and still never get tired of it. And if you can’t tell the difference between cheap martial artist movies and big action movies like Blade then you must just go into lala-land the moment action starts.

I get tired of some people saying how boring and repetitive action movies are. Well first of all there is only so much that can be done. And second of all well choreographed fight scenes are fun as hell to watch even though we have all seen someone kick, punch, flip, etc before. No one cares about “if you’ve seen one explosion you’ve seen them all”. It is just fun and exciting to watch, it needs no other explanation.

People love seeing action, it’s that simple. Like the Matrix, whenever someone talks about it do you hear them say “Oh, the story to this movie was intelligent and the acting was superb. The characters have depth and meaning” or do you hear them explain the lobby scene from beginning to the end.

If you think action is boring then stop going to action movies and complaining about them having action.

chrisboo

03-28-2002, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Antwort:
SPOILERS!!!!!!

And if fighting scenes are boring to you, why even go to the movie. I love the fighting scenes and a ton of other people like it as well. Just because you think it is old does not mean it is, I could watch fight scenes all day long and still never get tired of it. And if you can’t tell the difference between cheap martial artist movies and big action movies like Blade then you must just go into lala-land the moment action starts.


Guess you weren't paying attention. I was referring to the one at a time fighting queue which *is* a feature of cheap martial arts movies, which this was not. La-la land would be the place people go who turn off their critical thinking when the movie starts. This is not neccessarily a bad place, but one that I go to selectively. I can deal with vampires. Fantasy. Super Strength, no problem. Having bad guys come up in a line to get their butts kicked, stupid.


I get tired of some people saying how boring and repetitive action movies are. Well first of all there is only so much that can be done. And second of all well choreographed fight scenes are fun as hell to watch even though we have all seen someone kick, punch, flip, etc before. No one cares about “if you’ve seen one explosion you’ve seen them all”. It is just fun and exciting to watch, it needs no other explanation.


Fighting *is* fun to watch. My complaint here was simply that they felt the need to pad the movie with some cheap, formulaic fighting in an otherwise excellent movie. That's a shame, and a valid complaint. Not everyone gets excited about vanilla ice cream. After a while, though vanilla is still edible, many people want something a little more complex. Others stay happy with vanilla...


People love seeing action, it’s that simple. Like the Matrix, whenever someone talks about it do you hear them say “Oh, the story to this movie was intelligent and the acting was superb. The characters have depth and meaning” or do you hear them explain the lobby scene from beginning to the end.

If you think action is boring then stop going to action movies and complaining about them having action.

Actually, there is a big crowd of people who *will* tell you how excellent the story in the Matrix is. I'm not one of them, as I thought they copped out about halfway through a great idea, but that's a different subject.

But since you brought it up, let's look at the action in the Matrix relative to Blade 2. I can think of no scene in that movie (Matrix) where anyone fought just one person at a time, unless they were actually only fighting one person. This would be because while kicking someone in the head, the guy behind you with the gun will mess you up. Helps with believability of the action to just accept that and find ways to avoid that scenario. Ignoring it makes it seem unbelievable, and it's worse in a multi-million dollar blockbuster. Matrix was a much better action movie. Still not perfect, but had a much deeper story than Blade2 and few if any scenes that violated the rules of logic layed out by the movie itself (and that's really key). To say nothing of the ground-breaking aspects of the FX.

Finally, I'll ask you to re-read my original post. I gave the movie a 7/10. That's a good movie. Not a great movie, and that's because they chose to insult the audience's intelligence, IMO. I will continue to see any movie I choose, and whine as I feel appropriate.

:-)

tayag

03-31-2002, 09:16 PM

I felt that "Blade 2" was actually an improvement over its predecessor. It had much better fight sequences, characters, and a better overall look to the film. My only complaint about the motion picture is the plot holes. If the neurotoxin in the tooth is used to paralyze the Reaper's victim, why does Lighthammer have a chance to use his handgun on the Reaper that's biting him?

Entertainment Grade: A
Plot Grade: C (Remember this is just mindless motion picture entertainment)
Technical Grade: A+

Overall Grade: A

This motion picture is one of the finest comic book films ever to come out to the silver screen. The film also has one of the best lines to represent a badass:

"You obviously do not know who you are..... FUCKING WITH!!!!!!!!!"

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Scrunch

04-01-2002, 07:53 PM

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OK. Saw this over the weekend. Ugh. Totally did nothing for me. I thought the effects were overdone and cheesy. There was a bit of good stuff here and there but I have to admit I laughed my ass off at the weird mouth thing on the reapers. Reminded me too much of Aliens.

My biggest question is... when they had Blade on that table with the spikes in it they had removed his vest. Whistler finds him and they go to that room with the pool of blood. Blade falls into it. When he emerges dripping with blood/water (was way too thin to be just blood) he's wearing the vest again. Did I miss that? When did he find it? I could have sworn when he fell in he fell in without the vest. Then it was on again? Was this a boo boo? Or did I miss something?

Even if he did fall in with the vest on when did they find it? Whistler came into that room from the floorboards. But when they brought Blade into the room he was already nekkid from the chest up. (Believe me I noticed.)

Common Sense Man

04-02-2002, 04:16 AM

Scrunch,

You missed it man. After I read you post I thought back on that scene, I was almost about ready to agree with you then the scene litterally played back in my head.

He puts on his vest as he is walking into the other room, I specifically remember him zipping it up, the motion is what made me remember.

So no error, although as with all movies if you look long enough I am sure you will find some.

Out...........

MixMasterMoose

04-03-2002, 05:49 PM

Just a few questions and things I pick up on in the movie. Spoilers ahead!

Mainly the whole Rave scene. The shot kept changing from the van where it was pouring with rain to inside where through the cracks in boarded windows/walls/etc. had sun poaring in? Did I miss something here? What really stands out is when Scud (I think) tells Blade its an hour to Sunrise and its raining outside. It cuts to Blade inside and he runs down a set of stairs where the sun is shining in.

Something else that bugged me was a one point Chupa (I believe) flashes his unprotected light across his face and nothing happened.

I don't know if something was wrong with the projector at my theatre but when Blade is fighting Nyssa in front of the lights it seemed like, at points, speed up. It was like someone felt that they needed to hit the fast forward button. Anyone else notice this or was it just my crappy overcharing theatre?

The other thing that pissed me off was that way too many times you could see Blade fighting a(n) opponent(s) and others in the background or on the corner of the screen would be hopping around waiting their turn. I know this has already been brought up but this was a major turn off. Its alright if it happens once in awhile but it happened so often my friends started pointing all the ones they could find.

Thats all I have to bitch about right now.

Overall a 6/10. RE was much more fun.

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Scarface98.9

04-03-2002, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by MixMasterMoose:
Mainly the whole Rave scene. The shot kept changing from the van where it was pouring with rain to inside where through the cracks in boarded windows/walls/etc. had sun poaring in? Did I miss something here? What really stands out is when Scud (I think) tells Blade its an hour to Sunrise and its raining outside. It cuts to Blade inside and he runs down a set of stairs where the sun is shining in.

I don't know if something was wrong with the projector at my theatre but when Blade is fighting Nyssa in front of the lights it seemed like, at points, speed up. It was like someone felt that they needed to hit the fast forward button. Anyone else notice this or was it just my crappy overcharing theatre?


1) I didn't notice any sunlight coming through, except when Blade fought Nomak in the basement, but that was supposed to happen.
2) it wasn't ur imagination, it was kinda sped up. but the truth is, it was 2 CGI figures, and I guess they had to speed it up. but I'm not an effects guy

Common Sense Man

04-03-2002, 08:40 PM

The reason they where moving faster at times is because they are not human and the filmakers wanted to show you that they can move faster than normal people.

So when two fight why would they only fight at half speed.

I think it was a very good technique, although the CGI needs to be improved. Again I am reminded of Starship Troopers, they had some CGI people and they looked better than any I have seen to date.

Out..............................

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vegeta3120

04-04-2002, 07:20 AM

Okay people. Movies are entertainment. We don't need to watch other peoples lives on tv and in the theater. We sometimes need fantasy and action. A release from the world we live in. Movies like Blade, Star Wars, and Aliens are movies that do just that. Take you out of the everyday crap and transport you somewhere you can't be. Anything appears stupid if you look at it long and hard enough. Plot? Fuck It! If I want plot I'll watch a movie thats gonna have plot, like Shawshank Redemption or Braveheart. Otherwise don't bash a movie thats all about fighting and gore. Wesley Snipes is excellent at what he does in this movie. Too many people have pre-conceived notions on what a movie should be. A movie shouldn't be anything in particular. Thats why we have different movie categories, so if you don't like something, you can watch something else. Don't just blab about how you hate something , just stick to what you like and enjoy it! Period!

MixMasterMoose

04-04-2002, 05:06 PM

Common Sense Man: Thanks, I understood that the filmakers wanted to show that they could fight faster than humans. Its just that it was very poorly down. I felt that I was watching an old western where they speed up the horse chase. I felt like I was watching the movie at home and just hit fast forward.

Scarface 98.9: Thanks also, maybe It was just a light in the stairwell. Did anyone else notice this or am I losing it?

GodMagnus

04-05-2002, 09:48 PM

FLYIN BRIAN

04-10-2002, 12:47 PM

No major spoilers, here.

I think if you liked BLADE at all, you'll love BLADE II.

It's a great mix. Horror/gore, Martial Arts/Shoot'Em up Action, Sci-Fi (these vampires are more genetic mutants than hell-spawn), Comedy, Soap-Opera (what a messed up little family drama going on!)

Everything's over the top, and anything goes. Yes, there's some not-so-great CGI, some cheesy one-liners and goofy fighting (wrestling moves!), so what? Overall, I thought this movie approached excellence, and nothing seemed out of place in the world it sucked you into.

Snipes is the coolest, Kris Kristoferson and Ron Perlman should take that act on the road ("Buttercup", "Honkey-Tonk", "Nibble-head", "Suck-Puppy"...I was laughing out loud), the character of Nyssa was somewhat interesting and quite easy on the eyes.

A creepy, butt-kicking, fun movie. I'll give it a strong 8/10 for overall entertainment value.

mattjk_17

04-10-2002, 01:53 PM

If you loved Blade then you will definitely love Blade II. I saw it yesterday and thought that it was so much better. I think that Guillermo Del Toro did an excellent job directing this movie, and if a third were to be made (yeah, I know it's kinda early) he would be great to direct Snipes again.

Blade II: 8.5/10

EDsoulsurvive*

04-10-2002, 07:20 PM

ok, i don't wanna get into why i loved this movie sooo much, so ill just say this:

I LOOOOVVVVEEEEEDDD Blade II 9/10

Gangsternumber1

04-18-2002, 12:42 PM

This movie was just amazing 10/10 cool soundtrack, cool actors, cool fight scenes.

This movie is much more humorous than the original as well i remember laughing my ass of at the scene where reghindhart points the laser at blades chest in the house of pain and a lazer appears on Reghinharts chest coming from blade i loved it.

The scene where Blade comes from the pool of blood and takes out all of the vamps is a classic "Can you blush"

Jay_visigoth

04-20-2002, 06:53 PM

I think the film SUCKED BIG TIME! Not only it was sooooooooooooo boring, repeating itself---but the whole vampire genre is poorer thanx to BLADE II. I mean how many plot holes can a movie have? At least write a script that is passable--like M:I-2, i loved this movie!--! I know people liked this flick, but how come? I like ARNIE, i adore JOHN WOO, i dig Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan et la but here there are not basic stuff that make all the above worth watching:
a-NOT ENTERTAINING
b-Not Enteresting
c-Not Scary!!!
d-Not even a solid Actioner!
How can anyone like this mess? This videogame-movie! Is soooo typically shot that any hollywood director could have film it. Guilliermo Del Toro YOU GOTTA BE ASHAMED!
2 or 4 scennes worth so... 2/10

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Scarface98.9

04-20-2002, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by Jay_visigoth:
I think the film SUCKED BIG TIME! Not only it was sooooooooooooo boring, repeating itself---but the whole vampire genre is poorer thanx to BLADE II. I mean how many plot holes can a movie have? At least write a script that is passable--like M:I-2, i loved this movie!--! I know people liked this flick, but how come? I like ARNIE, i adore JOHN WOO, i dig Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan et la but here there are not basic stuff that make all the above worth watching:
a-NOT ENTERTAINING
b-Not Enteresting
c-Not Scary!!!
d-Not even a solid Actioner!
How can anyone like this mess? This videogame-movie! Is soooo typically shot that any hollywood director could have film it. Guilliermo Del Toro YOU GOTTA BE ASHAMED!
2 or 4 scennes worth so... 2/10

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how was Blade 2 boring? a good example of boringness would be Planet of the Apes, or Battlefield Earth. but this is a thread full of ppl explaining why they liked it, so u shouldn't have even asked. but MI2 better than this? a 2 hour ego trip for Tom Cruise vs. a solid action movie? strange comparison