I hate music snobs even more than movie snobs...

[Quigles]

I constantly meet assholes trying to claim my opinion is worthless because I like certain music bands.

Let me name some prominent examples:
+ Panic! at the Disco
+ Fall Out Boy
+ Green Day (yes, still)

MY RESPONSE: What the fuck!? I feel like I'm expected to hate certain bands just because it's the "cool" thing to do (similar to how people hate Ben Affleck).

What does me liking music other people don't have to do with how meaningful my opinion is?

Taste is subjective, people!

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And just because I know some of you reading are in fact music snobs as well (go ahead and deny it), I'll try and redeem myself with some other music I enjoy a whole lot more:
+ Muse
+ Beck
+ Aimee Mann
+ Franz Ferdinand
+ NIN
+ Lily Allen
+ Yeah Yeah Yeahs
+ Kasabian
+ Hot Chip
+ CSS
+ The Strokes

[daddiefatsacks]

there's a difference between you're opinion being worthless (which it is not) and you're taste in music

personally i think Fall out Boy and Panic at the Disco! are two of the worst bands i've ever had to listen to in the last couple years. The Whiney vocals, stupid song names....


but that's my opinion which i don't think is useless either.

[Criminal Rock]

Not liking a band doesn't have a thing to do with whats "cool" and whats "not"...

I take music VERY seriously. So, to me, there's a certain amount of respect I must have for it as an art form, and if I personally feel that a band is exploiting that art, for whatever reason they have, I get a little pissed off.

The mere existance of Panic at the Disco is disrespectful to me. They stand for everything but originality... they are the epitome of everything exploitive about musical trends.

Fuck them.

[Scarfather]

Originally posted by Quigles

What does me liking music other people don't have to do with how meaningful my opinion is?


It's not that, I tolerate just about anything, as does everyone I know, it's JUST Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco, and Green Day, which, indeed, renders your opinion useless.

Sorry.

[XHendrix24]

*scans post*

PANIC AT THE DISCO?!? FALL OUT BOY?!?

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

;)

Really though, I think Tai Mai covered it pretty well. It's not like I'd totally piss on your opinion just because you had a thing for a few bands that I loathe. And hey, Green Day isn't THAT bad. I don't really listen to them by choice, but they've got some pretty good songs.

I think you actually hit the nail on the head with the "taste is subjective" part. If someone doesn't agree with your musical opinion because their tastes are different, oh well. Guess they just prefer different stuff. No biggie.

I think the main reason that I personally might disregard someone's opinion for liking what I feel are horrible mainstream bands is because most of the time, that's all they know and THEY would immediately disregard any 'better' music that I might suggest because it's not catchy/obvious enough. I don't have that issue with you personally, but musical ignorance is the thing that gets me the most.

[deadguy76]

Originally posted by daddiefatsacks
personally i think Fall out Boy and Panic at the Disco! are two of the worst bands i've ever had to listen to in the last couple years. The Whiney vocals, stupid song names....
Thank you! I can't stand any of the music that's come out this decade. I miss the 90s (sigh) but I'll disagree on "taste". It's not a matter of taste because if people actually stopped to think, they would say "hey this music sucks!" Problem is they don't choose the music, the music is chosen for them. Back in the day we used to call this "corporate rock". Most people just flat out don't know any better. They don't necessarily want to listen to this music, it's just that it's all they play.

Same thing happened in the 80s with hair metal bands. The music sucked but the music industry forced it down mainstream society's throats and people just thought "Oh, this must be good music. After all it's so popular it must be good right?"

[powersauce]

I really hate it when people think "if you listen to this then you shouldn't listen to this becuase they contradict each other in terms of music and fanbase." Excuse me? If I wanna say that I like Metallica as much as I like Billy Joel then I will do so.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by deadguy76
Thank you! I can't stand any of the music that's come out this decade. I miss the 90s (sigh) but I'll disagree on "taste". It's not a matter of taste because if people actually stopped to think, they would say "hey this music sucks!" Problem is they don't choose the music, the music is chosen for them. Back in the day we used to call this "corporate rock". Most people just flat out don't know any better. They don't necessarily want to listen to this music, it's just that it's all they play.

Same thing happened in the 80s with hair metal bands. The music sucked but the music industry forced it down mainstream society's throats and people just thought "Oh, this must be good music. After all it's so popular it must be good right?"


If you took the phrase "any of the music that's come out this decade" and replaced it with "any of the new artists of this decade," then I'd second that. Just look at some of the shit artists that have come out during this decade. Nickelback, in terms of shitiness, is worse than Milli Vanilli.

However, we did get a lot of really good shit. Bruce Springsteen came out with The Rising, which was the best album he did since Born to Run. If only these tasteless music-biz assholes would sign more young Springsteens and less Nickelbacks, then America would be set in the taste department

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by XHendrix24
I think the main reason that I personally might disregard someone's opinion for liking what I feel are horrible mainstream bands is because most of the time, that's all they know and THEY would immediately disregard any 'better' music that I might suggest because it's not catchy/obvious enough. I don't have that issue with you personally, but musical ignorance is the thing that gets me the most.

Yeah, took the words right out of my mouth. If you only listen to bands like Panic/Fall Out/Green Day and refuse to listen to classic artists like Bob Dylan/Bruce Springsteen/Tom Waits....then you end up making yourself appear uncultured and, for the most part, damn stupid (not that I'm saying you are, of course).

[Quigles]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
I take music VERY seriously. So, to me, there's a certain amount of respect I must have for it as an art form, and if I personally feel that a band is exploiting that art, for whatever reason they have, I get a little pissed off.

The mere existance of Panic at the Disco is disrespectful to me. They stand for everything but originality... they are the epitome of everything exploitive about musical trends.
Now THAT I can understand. That makes sense.

I'm not a music aficionado... at all. I hear music I like, and I listen to it. I don't even listen to lyrics half the time.

I would never claim to know as much about music as I do about film.

Originally posted by Scarfather
It's not that, I tolerate just about anything, as does everyone I know, it's JUST Fall Out Boy, Panic at the Disco, and Green Day, which, indeed, renders your opinion useless.

Sorry.
Well, on the plus side, you demonstrated to a tee exactly the kind of people I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Yeah, took the words right out of my mouth. If you only listen to bands like Panic/Fall Out/Green Day and refuse to listen to classic artists like Bob Dylan/Bruce Springsteen/Tom Waits....then you end up making yourself appear uncultured and, for the most part, damn stupid (not that I'm saying you are, of course).
That's actually part of my point. It's not like I only enjoy Fall Out Boy and Panic! at the Disco... I actually enjoy almost all music that people recommend to me (with the exception of most rap).

Originally posted by XHendrix24
I think the main reason that I personally might disregard someone's opinion for liking what I feel are horrible mainstream bands is because most of the time, that's all they know and THEY would immediately disregard any 'better' music that I might suggest because it's not catchy/obvious enough. I don't have that issue with you personally, but musical ignorance is the thing that gets me the most.
Well, that makes sense too. If I enjoy music that somebody else considers to be crap, then of course they shouldn't listen to anything I have to say about other music.

But I'm talking about people that act like ANYTHING I have to say is worthless because I like specific bands.

Well, fuck them. I'm not gonna start disliking a band just because everybody else thinks I should.

[LordSimen]

Music snobs do tend to be more assholes than movie snobs. I know this because as a film geek like the rest of us the ONLY TIME I've been to a music board that wasn't filled with bashing, hatred and stupidity was the music board on this site, and that's because movie fans tend to be more accepting off different tastes. (unless you're on IMDB, in which case, all bets are off)

[Jamesadin]

I like Fall Out Boy, too...

[bowieee]

Originally posted by Jamesadin
I like Fall Out Boy, too...

Ok that made me smile.

Everyone has different tastes. Opinions are the reason message boards exist in the first place and they are never worthless. I sometimes think people swear they are the second coming of christ on certain subject matter. It's all just Art. Talk about it and enjoy.

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew

I take music VERY seriously.
Fuck them.

Uhhh isnt music supposed to be fun and enjoyable? I mean...its just music.

[sAtAn666]

Originally posted by Quigles
I'm not a music aficionado... at all. I hear music I like, and I listen to it. I don't even listen to lyrics half the time.

Yeah, I could easily guess that myself.:D If you don't take music as seriously as you do film, and those bands just work for you, that's great. I mean, those bands were designed for people like you, really. The next time a snob insults you, just tell them you're not a music geek, and they're acting like assholes.

I'm in a similar situation with video games. I have a friend who is obsessed with games, but she thinks I'm crazy cos I don't play stuff like Metal Gear Solid and Silent Hill. Instead, I play mindless junk like The Simpsons: Road Rage. I can view that game objectively and think, "Yeah, I admit that there's glitches, and it's just a Crazy Taxi rip-off", but I don't care. I'm not a game fanatic. In fact, I find most games boring. I probably play a lot of 'rubbish' like Mrs. Pac Man, but games are simply not important to me. I like what I like, even if they're the game equivalant of Michael Bay movies. Basically, you get the average person who just likes mainstream stuff, and then you get the aficionados, who tend to dislike the mainstream stuff (generally). And sometimes they're snobs, but fortunately, they're not all like that and they can be ignored...

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Uhhh isnt music supposed to be fun and enjoyable? I mean...its just music.

WHAAAAT?:D Would you say the same thing about film? I don't think that Barber's "Adagio for Strings" is "fun and enjoyable", and it's not "just music" to me.

[Criminal Rock]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Uhhh isnt music supposed to be fun and enjoyable? I mean...its just music.

Listen to Satan, you can say the same thing about movies... just look at Uwe Boll.

[Crazy Dud]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Music snobs do tend to be more assholes than movie snobs. I know this because as a film geek like the rest of us the ONLY TIME I've been to a music board that wasn't filled with bashing, hatred and stupidity was the music board on this site, and that's because movie fans tend to be more accepting off different tastes. (unless you're on IMDB, in which case, all bets are off)

Music snobs tend to label all bands that are popular as sell-outs. These even include bands that they supported and helped to get popular, but once they get them there, turn their back on them. This is one of many reasons why I find it difficult to take the opinions of music snobs seriously.

[bluesbrother965]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Yeah, took the words right out of my mouth. If you only listen to bands like Panic/Fall Out/Green Day and refuse to listen to classic artists like Bob Dylan/Bruce Springsteen/Tom Waits....then you end up making yourself appear uncultured and, for the most part, damn stupid (not that I'm saying you are, of course).

Well, if you follow that logic, then to be cultured you'd have to be well-versed in every important musical artist all the way back to Bach, and beyond. I don't think anyone in here (I know I can't) can say that they are familiar with all that material, and I like to think of myself as somewhat smart and cultured. Unless, of course, you're just talking about openmindedness, which I guess is an acceptable argument.

[fooknasty]

Me and my friends hasve a similar type of argument pretty much everytime we talk about music.

I don't listen to a lot of Springstein, Dylan, etc. But I love Queen, AC/DC, Boston. They look at me like I am stupid because I don't listen to those two mentioned. I am just not a big fan of their music. It's not that I don't respect or appreciate some of their musin, but it just doesn't suit my fancy.

When I tell them the bands I am into today, they tend to agree for the most part on my taste. The White Stripes, Soundgarden, Audioslave, O.A.R, etc.

Now here is when it gets tricky. When I tell them that I like artists like John Mayer or Jack Johnson, they call me a pussy. When I try to defend that both of these artists are two of the best guitar players in the past two decades, they laugh in my face. They take their dislike of their music and totally disregard the notion.

My point, if I have one, is that people are so unwillingly to listen to new types of music. My friends tell me that rap isn't music, and I beg to differ. When I tell them that I like a lot of Justin Timberlake's music, they see me as someone who doesn't know anything about music. Timberlake is a great artist, Eminem is a great artist, just because they don't play guitar or rock out on the drums, doesn't mean their not great or what they produce can't be considered music.

I'm done......

[Jamesadin]

Its funny, cause my friends make fun of me because I listen to music like:

Modest Mouse
Arcade Fire
Death Cab for Cutie
Stars

When they primarily listen to stuff like:

Hawthorne Heights
Alexisonfire (which I actually like)
Killswitch Engage
Etc...

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Crazy Dud
Music snobs tend to label all bands that are popular as sell-outs. These even include bands that they supported and helped to get popular, but once they get them there, turn their back on them. This is one of many reasons why I find it difficult to take the opinions of music snobs seriously.

Yup. Music snobs also don't like change. Which is certainly not the situation with film snobs.

Music Snobs hate when a band changes their style and/or evolve or experiment, this is usually one of the times a band will be called a "Sell out," because apparantly any time aband decides to try something new they are automatically turning "their back on the fans" when in reality it's the other way around.

Movie Snobs don't tend to do this... They don't seem to care if a director were to do a horror movie and then a comedy movie and then a drama movie. In fact it's actually smiled upon if you proove versatility.

[poopontheshoes7]

I don't even talk about music anymore because I'm sick of defending my opinion from kids who think they know everything.

I remember this one time at lunch I was with a group of people and I said something to the effect of: "I saw that video for the band Flyleaf. I thought the lead singer was kinda cute."

To which this snobby emo/scene bitch relpied: 'Fuck you! I've been a fan of Flyleaf for like three years! I've liked them ever since they came out! Your onl y saying that because their popular now! I hate people like you!"

To which I simply and nicely relied: "Go fuck yourself bitch."

I don't pretend to know a damn thing about music today....because I dont. I listen to it when it comes on the radio or when a friend asks me my opinion. I listen to the older stuff because thats what appeals to me.


I do hate Panic and FOB.......but for some reason I find myself liking MCR and The Used!?!?! lol.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by poopontheshoes7
To which this snobby emo/scene bitch relpied: 'Fuck you! I've been a fan of Flyleaf for like three years! I've liked them ever since they came out! Your onl y saying that because their popular now! I hate people like you!"
Haha! I hate people like that so much. I meet them all the time, too.

Same thing with movies. "I liked LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE before all the hype!"

Funnily enough, I actually heard Fall Out Boy when all they had out was their first [official] album. And yet, I still kept hearing people going, "OMG! You only like them 'cause they're popular now! I was a fan of them WAY before you!"

Ugh.

P.S. Fall Out Boy's new album, Infinity on High, is awesome. I can see why somebody might dislike the band, but I honestly don't understand how they could claim the music itself is shit. It just feels like hopping on the bandwagon to me; either that, or listening to a single song on the radio and then claiming they suck.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by Quigles


P.S. Fall Out Boy's new album, Infinity on High, is awesome. I can see why somebody might dislike the band, but I honestly don't understand how they could claim the music itself is shit. It just feels like hopping on the bandwagon to me; either that, or listening to a single song on the radio and then claiming they suck.


I almost bought the deluxe edition at Borders, but they over priced the thing to hell.

[powersauce]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
I almost bought the deluxe edition at Borders, but they over priced the thing to hell.
They overprice EVERYTHING to hell there. Unless I get a coupon or gift card, I NEVER go there. I'm more comfortable getting music/DVDs at Best Buy or Circuit City in terms of retail.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by powersauce
They overprice EVERYTHING to hell there. Unless I get a coupon or gift card, I NEVER go there. I'm more comfortable getting music/DVDs at Best Buy or Circuit City in terms of retail.


I paid 26 dollars for a book. A BOOOK>ARauihrtnwtui

[kcvoorhees]

I hate FOB but i like Panic At The Disco is that wierd?

The first time i heard Panici I said "hey FOB made a decent song".

[Crazy Dud]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Yup. Music snobs also don't like change. Which is certainly not the situation with film snobs.

Music Snobs hate when a band changes their style and/or evolve or experiment, this is usually one of the times a band will be called a "Sell out," because apparantly any time aband decides to try something new they are automatically turning "their back on the fans" when in reality it's the other way around.

Movie Snobs don't tend to do this... They don't seem to care if a director were to do a horror movie and then a comedy movie and then a drama movie. In fact it's actually smiled upon if you proove versatility.

I've seen this as a fairly longtime fan of Project 86. They amassed a following off their second album, Drawing Black Lines, a hardcore alternative album. Their follow-up album, Truthless Heroes, had a mixed reception many of their fans from Black Lines were upset because their sound was decidedly softer (mostly alternative with only sprinklings of hardcore), but they also amassed a new fanbase who like the sound better. The band followed this with Songs to Burn Your Bridges By, which fused together hardcore and punk. The old fans were thrilled to see the hardcore take the forefront again, but loathed the punk, labeling them as sell outs, even though punk isn't popular anymore. Their newest album, . . . and the Rest Will Follow, fused together the sounds of all their previous albums into one very diverse and eclectic album. This has gone over well with both Lines fans and Heroes fans for the most part, except the Lines fans say the album is still to commercial and sell out, while the Heroes fans say there isn't enough melody.

UGH! WHO CARES?! The band still puts out great music, and their singer, Andrew Schwab, continues to improve as one of the best lyricists currently out there. People need to be less resistant to change.

[XHendrix24]

Yeah. So-called "purists" that lose interest in a band as soon as they get popular/change their sound really get on my nerves. Like the Modest Mouse fans who keep rooting for them to get back to their "OLD sound." It's not going to happen, people. Nor should it.

To continue with the same example, The Moon And Antarctica deviated a LOT from their older sound, and it's probably their best album objectively. I'd much rather they try new things like that than make the same album over and over again. :rolleyes:

[Tayzlor]

Originally posted by XHendrix24
Yeah. So-called "purists" that lose interest in a band as soon as they change their sound really get on my nerves.

But don't you think that's understandable? The purist isn't retracting feelings and opinions on something that hasn't changed but onto something different. So long as they do not apply their hatred of whatever new sound adopted onto their old discs..

[Jamesadin]

Agreed. I can't stand it when people label Modest Mouse as sellouts. They changed their sound, and its definitly for the better.

[XHendrix24]

Originally posted by Tayzlor
But don't you think that's understandable? The purist isn't retracting feelings and opinions on something that hasn't changed but on something entirely different. So long as they apply their hatred of whatever new sound adopted onto their old discs..

I probably worded that a bit clumsily. If someone doesn't like the new sound of one of their favorite bands, I have no real problem with that - I mean, it happens. Not many bands stay good forever. But if you don't like the new sound, don't stick around just to complain about how lame the new sound is and how they sold out and how things aren't like they were back in the good ol' days, you know?

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by XHendrix24
I probably worded that a bit clumsily. If someone doesn't like the new sound of one of their favorite bands, I have no real problem with that - I mean, it happens. Not many bands stay good forever. But if you don't like the new sound, don't stick around just to complain about how lame the new sound is and how they sold out and how things aren't like they were back in the good ol' days, you know?


I don't think there's a problem. I mean, some people, especially the underground types get mad when their bad even has a song on the radio....which is kinda stupid. But like Modest Mouse appearing on a Kidz Bop record....yeah I can understand how someone could stop listening to them on account of that.

[Jamesadin]

I have it in my head that they in no way endorsed that, and the record company are the ones who allowed that travesty to happen.

Check out the Kidz Bop travesty HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB2yMSYfPWw)

[XHendrix24]

I backed my car into a cop car
The other day
(Pack of screaming kids: YEAH!!!!!!!)

:D

But really, if one of a band's songs appearing on some kids record that you're never going to listen to anyway upsets you enough that you stop listening to them entirely, I feel kind of sorry for you. Doesn't change the fact that it's a good song.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by XHendrix24
I backed my car into a cop car
The other day
(Pack of screaming kids: YEAH!!!!!!!)

:D

But really, if one of a band's songs appearing on some kids record that you're never going to listen to anyway upsets you enough that you stop listening to them entirely, I feel kind of sorry for you. Doesn't change the fact that it's a good song.

It really depends. If they did it for money and actually put the pen on the paper, then yeah they've stepped over to the dark side. If they had no say in it whatsoever, then it's just a fucking shame. Plus, keep in mind that Kidz Bop is run by *gasp* adults, some could be Modest Mouse fans (note: if Kidz Bop ever covers a Smiths song, tell me beforehead so I can start digging holes).

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Quigles
I constantly meet assholes trying to claim my opinion is worthless because I like certain music bands.

Let me name some prominent examples:
+ Panic! at the Disco
+ Fall Out Boy
+ Green Day (yes, still)

MY RESPONSE: What the fuck!? I feel like I'm expected to hate certain bands just because it's the "cool" thing to do (similar to how people hate Ben Affleck).

What does me liking music other people don't have to do with how meaningful my opinion is?

Taste is subjective, people!

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And just because I know some of you reading are in fact music snobs as well (go ahead and deny it), I'll try and redeem myself with some other music I enjoy a whole lot more:
+ Muse
+ Beck
+ Aimee Mann
+ Franz Ferdinand
+ NIN
+ Lily Allen
+ Yeah Yeah Yeahs
+ Kasabian
+ Hot Chip
+ CSS
+ The Strokes


Um this is perhapes the most horrible list of fashionable bands to like, aside from Aimee Man. I am currently listen to Sunforest, Boris and John Cale with a side order of Magma, go wikkapedia them, but yeahg all I can agree with is that beck is great

[Superplasmatron]

i only heard fall out boy for the fist time thisweek, for ages I had wondered who this band were and what a wonderfull name, conjouring up an image of this post apocalypic, super hero destroying evil in a mad max 2style distopian waste land, but infact they are the musical equivilent of a current bun, all shiney and full of sugar, Is it record companys fault that crap like this gets signed then mass marketed down peoples throats, or are people just silly?

[sAtAn666]

I love it when a band evolves and changes their sound too, but sometimes it genuinely does like a band has \"sold out\". For example, Metallica. They didn\'t move their sound forward at all, they actually went backwards, in my opinion. Before, they were concerned about making consistent and great albums, but now they focus too much on the singles and almost everything else is just useless filler. I also noticed that they re-hashed lyrics for \"St. Anger\".

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by sAtAn666
I love it when a band evolves and changes their sound too, but sometimes it genuinely does like a band has \"sold out\". For example, Metallica. They didn\'t move their sound forward at all, they actually went backwards, in my opinion. Before, they were concerned about making consistent and great albums, but now they focus too much on the singles and almost everything else is just useless filler. I also noticed that they re-hashed lyrics for \"St. Anger\".

Semms that metalica peaked early, and then pickled there brains on booze, seeing a year and a half in the life of mad me think wow these guys are having fun, then when i saw some kinda monster its was horrid, I have not really enjoyed an album of theres since the black album, though i love all there work up to this point, they seem like they are lost and no not what to do and that fucking manager/producer of theirs is making them do worse n worse stuff, at least Slayer are still amazing, though masterdon are clearly the best metal has right now, them and Boris and sun((( 0

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by sAtAn666
I love it when a band evolves and changes their sound too, but sometimes it genuinely does like a band has \"sold out\". For example, Metallica. They didn\'t move their sound forward at all, they actually went backwards, in my opinion. Before, they were concerned about making consistent and great albums, but now they focus too much on the singles and almost everything else is just useless filler. I also noticed that they re-hashed lyrics for \"St. Anger\".

Well, I'd still argue that Metallica didn't really sell out while changing their new style, and here's why.

Even back in their glory days, the days of Kill 'Em All, Ride The Lightning, and Master of Puppets each album was different. These three are widely considered their "thrash" masterpieces but each one also has it's uniquely different sound.

Then, after that, they had their years after their bassist Cliff Burton died, and you had ... And Justice For All, which was quite different from previous albums and boredered on a more progressive thrash sound than simply a pure thrash sound. When the "Black Album" or simply the self titled album Metallica was released they had decided to one again try something different, this time going for a more simpler sound when in the past they use to concentrate simply on being as complicated as possible. Nothing wrong with trying a little simplicity for a change, it's still a great album.

After the Black Album, which was more of a straight up heavy metal album than a thrash album, they decided to experiment. If you listen to Load and Reload, you can't really say they "sold out" by 'playing whatever's popular" because when Load came out the primarily popular style of music in the rock/metal scene was Grunge, and Load didn't have any grunge in it. It was a hard rock album with country influences, if anything. It was experimental, and different. I can't think of anyone who sounds like Load does (regardless if you hate it, if you take a listen to again you'll probably agree). Reload was composed of songs that didn't make it onto load, one of those double album things, and continued that hard rock experimental streak.

St. Anger came around at a hard time for the band. James was going through Rehab, they had just lost their second bassist, and the band was falling apart. Also, if you listen to the album, you can tell that they didn't really care if it would be commercial or not. They just wanted to do it the way they wanted to do it. Which is the exact opposite of selling out.

Selling out, atleast in my book, means you play what people expect you to play to make money. Not being true to your self and playing whatever you enjoy playing. Metallica has always had a "fuck everyone else, we do what we want" attitude. They play what they want and if people like it, great, that's a bonus. They don't really mind. They already did 3 years of pure thrash, 1 progressive album, 1 heavy metal album and 2 hard rock albums. Recently, with St. Anger, you could say they tried a Nu-Metal/Thrash Album much like Slayer did with God Hates Us All. You could argue that the newest album had conformed to Nu-Metal standards during a time that Nu-Metal was popular, but you can't really say that every other time they changed their style.

[Superplasmatron]

thy should have maybe given up when they were still good, some kinda monster is a great film st anger is shit, lars dad knew it and hes a musical genius and great sportsman

[sAtAn666]

Ah, clearly you know more about Metallica than me.:D I haven't actually heard Load and Reload yet. But I found the "Black" album overrated. It's not terrible, but some tracks are really useless, like "Holier Than Thou" and "Don't Tread On Me"....I won't say that Metallica sold out, but it does feel like it because of the way that album was structured and the fact that the music seemed more radio-friendly somehow. Anyway, I should go out and buy Load and Reload...

[Quigles]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
Um this is perhapes the most horrible list of fashionable bands to like, aside from Aimee Man. I am currently listen to Sunforest, Boris and John Cale with a side order of Magma, go wikkapedia them, but yeahg all I can agree with is that beck is great
Were you going somewhere with this? Because I don't get your point...

I already stated I'm not a huge music person. I listen to stuff that I think sounds good, and that's all there is to it.

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
Um this is perhapes the most horrible list of fashionable bands to like, aside from Aimee Man. I am currently listen to Sunforest, Boris and John Cale with a side order of Magma, go wikkapedia them, but yeahg all I can agree with is that beck is great

Could you explain your point? You're supposed to respect the opinions of your fellow schmoes. Not single them out and call their taste into question. Everyone likes different things. Just because you have a slightly esoteric taste in music doesn't make you superior in any way.

While i'm at it...i'm monitoring this thread quite closely. Because it's exactly the sort of thing i've saw turn into a slagging match in the past. When people start questioning each others taste it can soon get ugly. Don't let that happen. Someone got banned because of a couple of posts they made in this forum just about a week ago. He had over 500 posts to his name and should have known better. He didn't. He's gone. Don't want to see anyone else go the same way.

Cheers.

[XHendrix24]

Originally posted by Quigles
Were you going somewhere with this? Because I don't get your point...

I already stated I'm not a huge music person. I listen to stuff that I think sounds good, and that's all there is to it.

I thought he was just being ironic, given the nature of the thread. ;)

[Quigles]

Originally posted by XHendrix24
I thought he was just being ironic, given the nature of the thread. ;)
Haha, yeah. That's actually why I thought his post was so weird. It's like he way trying to prove my point.

Originally posted by Psychocandy
While i'm at it...i'm monitoring this thread quite closely. Because it's exactly the sort of thing i've saw turn into a slagging match in the past. When people start questioning each others taste it can soon get ugly. Don't let that happen. Someone got banned because of a couple of posts they made in this forum just about a week ago. He had over 500 posts to his name and should have known better. He didn't. He's gone. Don't want to see anyone else go the same way.

Cheers.
Who got banned? And for what?

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Quigles
Who got banned? And for what?

Some guy got pissed off at Bad Cover Version and Psychocandy, who both said they strongly disliked The Police so he called them "limeys."

[Criminal Rock]

Oh yeah... that guy :D

I have the same attitude with the rest of the schmoes in here. I don’t like snobs either, snobs of any kind... but I also detest people who enjoy an “exclusive trend” of music, and then pursue that trend until a newer one comes about... and so on... to me, it’s like the person who always cheers for the winning team. It’s so fucking annoying. And when you confront them, they become totally self-protective about it, like they’re life is on the line or something.

That shit irks me to no end...

[BadCoverVersion]

Originally posted by Quigles
Were you going somewhere with this? Because I don't get your point...

I already stated I'm not a huge music person. I listen to stuff that I think sounds good, and that's all there is to it.

I think the point was he/she doesn't like what you like, which is fair enough in my eyes...maybe a little more tact ya!?

You admit you are a 'casual' music lover...you like what you like, and I understand that. But the fact that you are somewhat indifferent almost invites people to question your taste,

Some dude went to see Little Man last year, bestest movie of the year w00t...he thinks Children Of Men sucks vast amounts of cockage and Wicker Man is some wicked scary shit . An extreme example yes? But he's likes what he likes and is entitled to his opinion and you and I don't feel a touch 'snobbish' towards this person...um no?

[Quigles]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
I think the point was he/she doesn't like what you like, which is fair enough in my eyes...maybe a little more tact ya!?

You admit you are a 'casual' music lover...you like what you like, and I understand that. But the fact that you are somewhat indifferent almost invites people to question your taste,

Some dude went to see Little Man last year, bestest movie of the year w00t...he thinks Children Of Men sucks vast amounts of cockage and Wicker Man is some wicked scary shit . An extreme example yes? But he's likes what he likes and is entitled to his opinion and you and I don't feel a touch 'snobbish' towards this person...um no?
That's not a fair comparison though.

Actually, no comparison between music and movies is really fair - they're just too different. You can gauge the level of intelligence for a movie... you can't do that with music (well, maybe with lyrics, but not with the actual tune).

Plus, your example is a little strange since I never said (a.) that Fall Out Boy or Panic! at the Disco were the best bands around, or (b.) that any other bands were really bad.

If I came on here claiming that Fall Out Boy was the greatest thing to ever happen to music in the world, and that Bob Dylan sucked a huge fat one... THEN that comparison might work.

But this is more like me saying, "Hey, I really like DAREDEVIL. Just because you don't, that doesn't make my opinion worthless."