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[Rukas]

Does anybody else think that this movie is going to be extremely fucking cool, but can't possibly live up to the hype and anticipation surrounding it and thus will be a disappointment in the eyes of many?

Oh, and word is that not only is Sigourney Weaver reteaming with Cam, but so is Michael Biehn!

[Cronos]

this is going to be the second best film ever

[outsyder]

With Cameron in control, there's no way this can fail.

[AWP82]

Originally posted by outsyder
With Cameron in control, there's no way this can fail.

Took the words right outta my mouth.

[Jamesadin]

Its true. If there is one person with a fairly solid track record, its Cameron.

[Dead Halloween]

So, what happened to Battle Angel?

[Rukas]

Originally posted by Dead Halloween
So, what happened to Battle Angel?

It's been pushed back till after Avatar.

[therealjohng]

I'm just glad Cameron is getting off his high horse and directing a film again.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by therealjohng
I'm just glad Cameron is getting off his high horse and directing a film again.

High horse?

I'm a bit confused by that statement. The guy took some time off to make some movies about things HE was deeply interested in. Given his career up to that point, I'd say he earned that.

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by Jamesadin
Its true. If there is one person with a fairly solid track record, its Cameron.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by outsyder
High horse?

I'm a bit confused by that statement. The guy took some time off to make some movies about things HE was deeply interested in. Given his career up to that point, I'd say he earned that.


Come on, that guy had a bigger ego then everyone in Hollywood combined.

[Rukas]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Come on, that guy had a bigger ego then everyone in Hollywood combined.

I dont really think he has an ego, I just think he knows his self worth.

He could have very easily cashed in on the Titanic buzz and followed up with a couple not so great movies for the big bucks but instead he chose to do films that make him happy and he is passionate about.

That and his role in Entourage makes me think that he's a pretty cool down to earth guy.

[Silverload]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Come on, that guy had a bigger ego then everyone in Hollywood combined.

How do you know that? I’ve never seen anything from Cameron that has even remotely showed him as having a huge ego (you sure you’re not confusing him with M. Night Shyamalan?)

As for Avatar, I’ve read the scriptment and it certainly ranks as one of the best Sci-Fi stories I‘ve ever read. I’m not sure how much of a mainstream appeal it’ll have but it’s sure to be one of the most imaginative, unique, and entertaining Sci-Fi flicks to hit the big screen in a long, long time.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Silverload
How do you know that? I’ve never seen anything from Cameron that has even remotely showed him as having a huge ego (you sure you’re not confusing him with M. Night Shyamalan?)



I don't know. When he shouted "I'm the king of the world.", to me it came out as a totally pompous thing to say. Sorry.

[Rindain]

Almost every time I've hugely anticipated a movie (SW: EP1, MAtrix Reloaded, etc) I've ended up dissapointed.

But with Cameron at the helm, plus his statements that the SW prequels are just eye candy without good storytelling...I tihnk it'll live up to the hype or maybe even surpass it.

[Riddick_neo]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Come on, that guy had a bigger ego then everyone in Hollywood combined.


Hey better analyze what u have written before posting, what made u say this, how could you....... I think his one of the greatest directors in Hollywood and he is the person having a lot of respect to him and to his work. He has a very less number of movies in his carrier but those are all very unique and blockbusters of their times.
He dosent keep on directing movies filled with shit, he has some level and respect towards movie.

Hey are u a SPIELBERG fan or some kind of a ANTI JAMES CAMEROON.

TAKE IT EASY BUDDY.

[Rick-James]

Damn! Weaver and Biehn! that's awesome.

[AngelDust06]

when can we line up?

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Riddick_neo
Hey better analyze what u have written before posting, what made u say this, how could you....... I think his one of the greatest directors in Hollywood and he is the person having a lot of respect to him and to his work. He has a very less number of movies in his carrier but those are all very unique and blockbusters of their times.
He dosent keep on directing movies filled with shit, he has some level and respect towards movie.

Hey are u a SPIELBERG fan or some kind of a ANTI JAMES CAMEROON.

TAKE IT EASY BUDDY.


You probably can't see me, but I'm actually pretty calm right now. So no need for big letters. I think Cameron is one of the biggest talents in Hollywood, doesn't change the fact that I think he has an ego. And yeah, I am a Spielberg fan.


Chill out dude.

[fixedMind]

Isn't there some issue with M. Night's new movie with the same name?
The studio producing it says they "own" the name Avatar, I wonder what will come of this.

[outsyder]

Shyamalan's thing is based off of an animated fantasy tv show. I don't think there will be much confusion between the two.

[Rukas]

What is Shyamalan's thing? I thought he was shopping Green Planet around?

[floydtheater07]

Glad to see Cameron getting back into major films again. I've just been going through a Cameron phase, and man, he really does rock.


Also, off topic somewhat, but am I the only one who didn't think that his "I'm King of the World!" moment was egotistical. Damn, he was just quoting the movie, and he certainly earned it.


This will most likely kick ass.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Jamesadin
Its true. If there is one person with a fairly solid track record, its Cameron.

Did anyone actually watch Aliens of the Deep? Not only did the dialogue sound completely scripted (don't even get me started on that silly bitch Dijanna Figueroa) but every other thing out of anybody's mouth was pretty much, "ZOMG, ISN'T THIS SO AMAZING?! LOOK HOW AMAZING THIS IS! THIS IS SO AMAZING! THIS IS THE MOST AMAZINGEST THING IN THE WHOLE WORLDZ, ROFLSLAJDAJFDKJALOMGFJDLAFZJLDJ!).

Sickening. Not only he did he suck all the fascination out of a very interesting subject by polluting it with pure, unadultered obnoxiousness, but he sullied his own name in the process. I went from thinking, "Hey, this guy is a pretty competent filmmaker," to, "Jesus fucking Christ I can't stand this douchebag."

That being said, I am looking forward to this, and Battle Angel even moreso, but I agree with the concensus that, passionate about the subject or not, Cameron should stick to making films and leave anything educationl to Discovery Channel, History Channel, TLC, and NGEO.

[Jamesadin]

I was more thinking of his fictional films, not as much the slew of documentaries he has done for the past many years... but thanks for pointing that out, I actually havn't seen any of his documentaries.

[Boner X-Ray]

Cameron kinda dropped off my radar, and I can't say I really care about what he's doing.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Boner X-Ray
Cameron kinda dropped off my radar, and I can't say I really care about what he's doing.


You will once you see muthafuckin footage of the movie.

[Boner X-Ray]

Originally posted by therealjohng
You will once you see muthafuckin footage of the movie.
I hope you are right.

[Rukas]

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/avatarteaser.jpg

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32157


AVATAR Teaser Poster - and Art? Sure As Hell Looks Like It!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... Super-Junkfood-Cowboy - sent this in. A friend of his was apparently doing something inside WETA when he noticed in the "mood room" this display for AVATAR. He claims that the poster you see was dimensional and would shift as you moved around it, but wasn't lenticular. That new stuff that Drew told us about a few months back, perhaps? And a look on the board gives us other tantalizing looks at various AVATAR-esque things... like faces - of actors and non-actors... environments. It's all very ink-blotty as the below image was exactly what got sent to me. Here you go... Our first look at anything AVATAR!!!

Well... Image looks nice, pitty it's a fake though...

[outsyder]

Why do people bother spending time making these images that are clearly bullshit?

[Kilar]

Originally posted by floydtheater07


Also, off topic somewhat, but am I the only one who didn't think that his "I'm King of the World!" moment was egotistical. Damn, he was just quoting the movie, and he certainly earned it.


Have to agree here... He was quoting his own movie, his own script... After all the shit everyone threw at Titanic before it was released I think think he deserved the right to show a bit of emotion. Egotistical? I didn't see it... I saw a man pleased out of his fucking skull at winning an Oscar after putting in a effort that would have killed most people...

Avatar will own us. I have no doubt.

[Silverload]

I agree, James Cameron took on hell for Titanic. And when his $200 million dollar movie only made $29 million it’s opening weekend I’m sure everyone in the studio wanted Cameron’s head on a pike. Before the movie even came out magazines were already calling it a failure. Cameron not only proved everyone wrong, but he also proved how powerful good word of mouth can be. Titanic’s box office has yet to be topped, nothing has even come close, and it made all of it’s cash through word of mouth. So I think Cameron earned the privilege to quote his own film after it swept the Oscars. Though, I honestly don’t see how anyone took that quote as anything more then a spur of the moment quip.

I wish him similar success on Avatar. I loved the scriptment; it made some wild promises that I’m sure Cameron intends to keep.

[mutesaint]

I am calmly waiting for this movie to come out. I hope it will be amazing. I pray that it is, but I havent seen enough to be foaming at the mouth. Maybe that will change when the trailers start hitting the streets.

[LordSimen]

Cameron has never missed a mark. All his films are either good, great, or flat out masterpieces. I'm looking forward to Avatar.

[echo_bravo]

This film will OWN.

[Rukas]

http://joblo.com/newsimages1/artworkavatarrrr.jpg

[APzombie]

It's funny that I don't really know anything about this but have been anticipating it for years.

[Digifruitella]

I'm just glad Cameron is getting off his high horse and directing a film again.

I don't think he was on his "high horse" the past 10 years. If you watch his sea documentaries, you'll see that he's been experimenting with technology. If you didn't know, him and Vince Pace developed the 3D camera's that they're using to film Avatar.

[Sonny488]

James fuckin Cameron. No need to say anymore. Cant wait for this to come out.

[corran horn]

Having longed for a grand scifi/fantasy epic for some time, I am eagerly anticipating this project. ALIENS is one of my favorite sci-fi films (I liked it a little better than the first), and--I can't believe I'm actually saying this--I'm going to give TITANIC another chance. At the time it came out, I was 12 and was VERY jealous of Leonardo DiCaprio and when I saw it the following April (still crowded even then!) I was the only male in the entire theater. Now, however, I've come to greatly appreciate Leo as an actor (he's now one of my favorites) as well as both Cameron and Winslet. So, in preparation for AVATAR, I'm going to give Jim's last film another try.

BTW, if you notice, AVATAR's release date is nearly perfect. It comes out on December 18, and the next two weekends it runs into are Christmas and New Years. After that, it will have one normal weekend and then run into MLK weekend (another boost). If this is as good as I think it will be, AVATAR could easily enter the top 10 grossing films of all time (it might not beat TITANIC, but it could come close).

Weren't we supposed to get some photos and maybe a teaser poster with one of the upcoming film festivals. I want to say South by Southwest, but I'm not sure.

[Rukas]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117983864.html?categoryid=1009&cs=1

New JC interview about 3D and Avatar.

[Jig Saw 123]

Sounds Amazing it reminds me alot of the game Mass Effect... One of my only anticipated movies of next year.

[corran horn]

Wonder if Jim will show us anything at the next Comic Con?

BTW, I think its interesting that two of the major cast members in AVATAR--Stephen Lang and Giovanni Ribisi--are also in another highly anticipated 2009 film, PUBLIC ENEMIES.

[Rukas]

Does anybody have an understanding of Cameron's stereo vision? Or perhaps seen any of his documentaries?

How much does it differ from say, Beowulf?

Also, he mentioned it being viable in the home market on autostereo displays that can output the effect with no glasses? How would that work?

[max314]

*Sigh*

It's like watching a retired kung fu master return to the arena to show everyone how it's done.

The heavens are smiling on us :D

[AspectRatio1986]

Also, he mentioned it being viable in the home market on autostereo displays that can output the effect with no glasses? How would that work?

I was wondering that too...I did some reading up on this film and the video cameras JC is using, sounds so mind blowing. I'm very interested in seeing how this turns out, the cameras alone make it worth it, then it being directed by James Cameron is just incredible. I'm very eager for this...

[Rukas]

I was wondering that too...I did some reading up on this film and the video cameras JC is using, sounds so mind blowing. I'm very interested in seeing how this turns out, the cameras alone make it worth it, then it being directed by James Cameron is just incredible. I'm very eager for this...

Anything you care to share?

[Silverload]

Anything you care to share?

The 3D camera system is one that James Cameron and his brother designed. His bother designed a 3D system for the submersibles that they use for their underwater adventures (he also designed the submersibles themselves). Cameron decided to implement that 3D system into a tool for filmmaking, so he and his brother had been working on it for years now. I'm not sure what the technical specs for the cameras are, but with it being Cameron approved means that it has to be top notch.

One thing that really sucks about this new 3D technology is that I'll never be able to enjoy it, I recently found out that I have no stereo vision. I can't fully see the 3D stereo images (plus it makes my eyes feel crossed). I've met quite a few people out there who can't see it either so I don't think 3D is going to take over theaters like Cameron hopes it will. If it does take over then it will be the death of cinema for me and many, many others. I just hope this film is as amazing in 2D as it promises to be in 3D.

[Rukas]

The 3D camera system is one that James Cameron and his brother designed. His bother designed a 3D system for the submersibles that they use for their underwater adventures (he also designed the submersibles themselves). Cameron decided to implement that 3D system into a tool for filmmaking, so he and his brother had been working on it for years now. I'm not sure what the technical specs for the cameras are, but with it being Cameron approved means that it has to be top notch.

One thing that really sucks about this new 3D technology is that I'll never be able to enjoy it, I recently found out that I have no stereo vision. I can't fully see the 3D stereo images (plus it makes my eyes feel crossed). I've met quite a few people out there who can't see it either so I don't think 3D is going to take over theaters like Cameron hopes it will. If it does take over then it will be the death of cinema for me and many, many others. I just hope this film is as amazing in 2D as it promises to be in 3D.

Im the same, really weaker left eye so cant see in 3D.

[Rukas]

http://joblo.com/cameron-on-avatar

[son_of_arrow]

Everytime I hear about this movie I can't help but to think of one of the main charaters in Ralph bakshis' "Wizards". If this movie is anywhere near as good as that one, then I am in. I actually attended the same high school as JC (Stamford Colligiate- Niagara Falls Ontario) and he came to open a theater at the school when I bumped into him in the hall between classes. Very nervously -"Hey John, ... Aliens was wicked! Good job man!!" Holy shite was I nervous. Never would have guessed he'd take 11 years to make a new film.

Go team!!

[Rukas]

http://joblo.com/navi-first-look

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[FireCaptain4]

Does anybody else think that this movie is going to be extremely fucking cool, but can't possibly live up to the hype and anticipation surrounding it and thus will be a disappointment in the eyes of many?

Oh, and word is that not only is Sigourney Weaver reteaming with Cam, but so is Michael Biehn!

I'm definately backing you up on the "extremely fucking cool" part, and Michael Biehn is boss!

[corran horn]

I'm definately backing you up on the "extremely fucking cool" part, and Michael Biehn is boss!

Alas, Michael Biehn will NOT be in this. Cameron was considering him for Stephen Lang's role but decided against it because he did not want it to be mistaken for another Aliens movie.

I truly hope this fills the December void that has been left by LOTR's conclusion. December films were never the same after that.

While I do think this will be awesome, I'm not too worried about it being disappointing. There are those films that live up to the anticipation, as well as the few that excede those expectations. From what I've heard and read, AVATAR will fall nicely into either category.

[FireCaptain4]

Alas, Michael Biehn will NOT be in this. Cameron was considering him for Stephen Lang's role but decided against it because he did not want it to be mistaken for another Aliens movie.

I truly hope this fills the December void that has been left by LOTR's conclusion. December films were never the same after that.

While I do think this will be awesome, I'm not too worried about it being disappointing. There are those films that live up to the anticipation, as well as the few that excede those expectations. From what I've heard and read, AVATAR will fall nicely into either category.

Thanks for the clarification corran horn. It was my fault for not reading the rest of the thread before posting.

[Rukas]

^^ I think it's really a shame Biehn isnt in it, his career could have used it and it would have been cool and nostaligic to see.

I mean the average movie going ticket buyer wont confuse the films because Biehn has aged and they probably havent seen Aliens in a while, if at all.

[Rukas]

Ok now we have a real look at the Na'vi creatures in the film.

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/2009/02/exclusive-new-navi-photo-final-version.html

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/SYb4kIOu39I/AAAAAAAACkY/yeNYUeUr8-Q/s1600-h/ScreenHunter_38+Feb.+02+09.31.jpg

[Rukas]

It looks like Cameron hasnt forgotten the kick ass human element that makes his films so cool, even amidst aliens and robots.

Check out this gun:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/SWYbe_EfvjI/AAAAAAAACa4/V_FRMDdyTeI/s1600-h/ScreenHunter_24+Jan.+08+11.27.jpg
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[Rukas]

Hey folks, Harry here... Got an email from a panicky ABking pointing to this story over at Marketsaw regarding an alleged 8 Trailers that Fox has cut for AVATAR that were then all rejected by James Cameron due to their inherent lameness. Plus rumors on ShoWest, and even some particularly off-putting rumor about Spielberg & Jackson on TINTIN (also not true btw). Now - shortly after the email from ABking - I began getting a flood of similar emails from some of you other readers also wanting me to address this story.

So I wrote Cameron to get his reaction and here's what he wrote back this afternoon...

Harry,

Good to hear from you. As usual the rumor mill is grinding out mostly spurious stuff. I have no plans at present to go to Showest, and in any event we have decided not to unveil material there.

As to the trailer story, I have no idea where that came from but I haven't rejected any trailers (yet) since I haven't seen any yet. They're still working on them for presentation, which presumably will be soon. I'm sure I'll reject a couple once I have the chance. Right now I'm just focused on having a movie to sell.

The cut is shaping up nicely and the stuff coming in from Weta Digital is astonishing. Every once in a while, as we are absorbed in some intensely detailed discussion about sub-surface scattering or the way a tail is moving in the animation, I'll just stop and have this moment of clarity, as if seeing it for the first time. And I realize that's what the lunar astronauts must have felt like. They'd be in the middle of some complex set of procedures and they'd look out the window and go "Oh, yeah. That's the frickin' moon!" It feels like that.

Anyway, back to the grind.

Jim out

So there you go, that's where things are currently on AVATAR.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40395

[KingofKings2525]

When is this supposed to be released?

[MidnightAngel]

I have a bad feeling that Avatar might be the Heaven's Gate of animated films. :rolleyes:

[Conz]

how is this movie NOT gonna flop?

[RicochetShaw]

how is this movie NOT gonna flop?



Name the last flop that James Cameron directed.

[Jig Saw 123]

Name the last flop that James Cameron directed.

Its understandable why he thinks it will. Its a risky film because it may be too different. Plus with a budget of close to $300 million and being released in December one shouldn't be surprised if it does flop.

[FilmJunkie1114]

I don't think it's gonna flop. Out of all of our current directors, Spielberg is the only other director I know he keeps promising to continually break new ground and succeeds (though he hasn't it done it as much lately). Cameron did Aliens, Terminator 2, and Titanic, all of which were the pinnacle of film technology for their time and in the case of the last two were pretty sizable leaps forward. I expect Cameron knows what he's doing, and after hearing Jon Favreau rave about what he had seen of Avatar my hopes that it will be good seem safe.

[HurricanesR1]

definitely on my interest list

[MidnightAngel]

Name the last flop that James Cameron directed.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ad/TheAbyss.jpg

Too bad it did. Even i liked the film especially the director's cut.

[Frosty_86]

I love James Camerons films hes one of the greatest directors ever Im glad hes getting back in to features. This movie sounds awesome especially considering its got Sigourney and Giovanni Ribisi (Im hoping hes got a pretty big role because he way over due for a huge starring role). This movie has been James Cameron pet project ever since Titanic came out so Im pretty sure it wont disappoint. I think its badass that Cameron is working on Battle Angel immediately after Avatar and itll be coming out in 2011.

I wish Michael Beihn was in this movie hell directors reuse actors all the damn time (hell just look at how many times Scorsese used DeNiro, Pesci, and Frank Vincent) so I really dont think people would think of it as Aliens all over again theyd just look at it at it like Cameron likes using these actors. At least Stephen Lang is playing the role Beihn was looking to play, maybe Beihn will be in Battle Angel.

[bonoferox]

I wouldn't say Abyss was a flop. Budget was around $45,000,000.00 and it took in over $130,000,000.00.

I'm also a fan of the director's cut and the making of documentary is great.

[Frosty_86]

^^^
The directors cut of the Abyss was is amazing, I dont think Cameron has made a movie that I dont like except Titanic

[bonoferox]

11 years later, I'm one of the few I know that still really likes Titanic. Wasn't ever really a fan of the central love story, but he handled almost every detail of the ship and the sinking really well.

[blankpage]

11 years later, I'm one of the few I know that still really likes Titanic. Wasn't ever really a fan of the central love story, but he handled almost every detail of the ship and the sinking really well.

Mhmm. As strange as it may sound, Titanic was THE film that got me into films. So, of course, it still holds a special place in my heart.

[LisbethSalander]

This movie will not flop, it will majorly BANK! This is James Cameron. He's been working on this puppy for what, 4 years now. Looking forward to seeing a trailer (not teaser) for this...some day.

[APzombie]

I have a feeling that Wolverine will be the film Avatars teaser is attatched to. It's really the best move FOX can make under the circumstances.

[razgriz21]

This movie will not flop, it will majorly BANK! This is James Cameron. He's been working on this puppy for what, 4 years now. Looking forward to seeing a trailer (not teaser) for this...some day.

Almost seems longer than 4 years.

I'm hoping for an Aliens/The Terminator science fiction like epic and thankfully, James Cameron is at the helm.

Wish we had Michael Biehn in this.

[Silverload]

:eek: Holy fucking shit, check this out:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1qPLMlz01yQ/SfIGMOPQXmI/AAAAAAAAC90/DTz-f5fRPqM/s1600/ScreenHunter_05%2BApr.%2B24%2B15.34.jpg
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Why is this so cool? Because this is a CGI effects shot (minus the actor), and the effects are in place LIVE while the actor is still acting! This is a massive step forward for special effects. No more shooting green screen and waiting months before you'll ever see if it works or not. Problems with the CGI effects can be spotted on set and fixed immediately as if it were a practical set. I didn't know this is what Cameron was doing, but the possibilities this gives to filmmakers is amazing. Effects are going to be changed forever, and working with CGI sets just became an organic process. Lucas must be jealous as fuck!

It doesn't matter if this movie is great or not, or if the effects are photorealistic or not; Cameron just gave anyone working with CGI a wet dream wrapped in a rainbow.

PS: Sorry for the image sizes, can't find them any smaller.

[APzombie]

if this film isn't the second coming than many people will be disappointed, i'm just happy that Cameron is back on the horse again. Hope the characters and story can mach all we've heard on the production side.

[CreepyThinMan]

Sorry but I’m just not excited about this movie at all. Cameron’s last great film was Terminator 2 and that was 18 years ago. True Lies was underwhelming, Titanic was over rated and he hasn't made a movie in 12 years. Oh and sitting on your ass for that long doesn't make you a better Director as we saw of Stanley Kurbrick and Terence Malik not to mention the 22 years that George Lucas had between Star Wars and The Phantom Menace. You know why it’s taken JC to make another movie? It’s because he’s a fiscally irresponsible technocratic idiot. That sound you hear is JC apologists screaming “BUT HIS MOVIES MAKE TONS OF MONEY AND WON OSCARS BLAH BLAH BLAH etc….”

Does anyone here remember that Titanic’s release date had to be pushed back three times and the movie was rumored to have cost about 300 million because Cameron kept dicking about? Yeah, it became the biggest hit of all time and won a shitload of Oscars but it could have just as easily bombed and its success only justified Hollywood’s insane spending practices, which is why the average cost of a summer tent pole film these days is 150 to 200 million.

But do you know why Cameron has waited so long? He waited until budgets got so high that a studio wouldn’t blink at handing him 300 mill, the reported cost of Avatar. Every time I bring this up his peeps start screaming that they don’t give a shit and that he will “CHANGE CINEMA” with his 3D bullshit to which I say FUCK 3D. It’s a fucking gimmick that the major studios are using to justify charging people more money to see a movie in a theatre. Period.

I don’t give a shit about 3D, all I care about is a good story that is well told. I also don’t care about photorealistic CGI because JC was able to make Aliens and The Terminator without it and those are his two best films followed by T2 which only used CGI in the creation of the T-1000. But Cameron’s fucking going on about 3D as the savior of Hollywood against piracy and the know nothing cretins that run the studio’s are falling for his bullshit and responding to the Internet in the exact same way they did to Television when they introduced Cinemascope.

In the 1950’s TV started to slaughter the movie industry so what did those geniuses do? They created an aspect ratio that made the screen REALLY WIDE to show off the environments and threw more and more money into epics with gigantic budgets rather then, say, MAKING BETTER MOVIES WITH BETTER FUCKING STORIES. It was in the late 60’s early 70’s that lightweight film equipment allowed a whole new generation of filmmakers to explore the possibilities of cinema which is what gave us the North American golden age of cinema until those very same Directors burnt it all down and pissed on the ashes by creating their own big budgeted disasters such as Heaven’s Gate, 1941 etc…

Now we have once again come full circle and the next generation of Director’s will have to use today’s inexpensive digital equipment to make the movies they want as they combat the hubris of Hollywood and Director’s like James Cameron.

[drc5145]

To be honest...

This does look really neat...but I'm more interested in how he does Battle Angel.

Anime-to-film adaptions have been getting hit hard recently with Speed Racer's and now Dragonball's failures, financially and critically (To be fair, It sounds like Racer was a lot better than Dragonball).

I've read the premise and it sounds pretty interesting and if there's a guy who can legitimize those adaptions with a great adaption, it's Cameron. :)

[Monotreme]

Alright. Well I've been avoiding this thread so far, god knows why. I guess I just wasn't sure what to think of this movie. But I have a pretty well-defined opinion now. Here's what I think:

It seems to me like Cameron is far more preoccupied by the technological marvels of the film, but isn't talking at all about the plot. We only know bits and pieces, and it sure does a hell of a job building up hype for the film - but does it? Cameron seems to be building up all the hype around the revolutionary effects stuff, but will the plot and the characters live up to it? It doesn't matter if technologically this film is the second coming - if the critics are turned off by the story, the characters, then this film will NOT succeed. Cameron is NOT the greatest screenwriter around, and I think that's pretty obvious. Titanic was nominated for and won like every Oscar around, but Cameron wasn't even nominated for the screenplay. And that's no accident. The guy hasn't actually WRITTEN anything good in 15 years, and seems now more than ever a lot more interested in his toys than in his characters. So we'll just have to wait and see. But if this film turns out to be a boring turd with flat characters and an uninteresting plot, it doesn't matter how amazing the effects will be.

[Kilar]

Maybe Cameron isn't talking about the plot or charactors because he doesn't actuallywant you to know all the surprises and such before you sit down and actually watch it. There was a time before the internet when people would sit in a cinema and watch a film without a dozen spoilers floating in the back of thier mind ripping away any surprise coolness the film might have. The less we know about plot etc the better.
And Cameron might not be the best screenwriter around, but he's certainly not bad. A script is more than dialogue, and he knows how to structure a film.
The scriptment I read years ago blew me away. No doubt its been refined over the years so I'm looking forward to this big time.
Oh and when has poor critical reviews hampered a films box office if people still want to see it? Every week there is crap dumped in cinemas that critics hate and people/box office love, Fast and Furious for example.
Even if Avatar sucked balls it will still be huge based on the look of the film and the experience of the event itself.
But I'm positive the story will impress as well. If Cameron ever makes a dud like Battlefield Earth then I might not back him so heavily, but he's not dissapointed me once before.

[poopontheshoes7]

Cameron IS a great screenwriter imo.

He can balance incredible action and effects with likable and real characters perfectly. He has proven it with all of his films. He has yet to dissapoint me. What makes The Terminator so great isnt just Arnie kicking ass. Its Sarah's and Kyles relationship. What makes Aliens so great is how amazingly well written Ripleys character is and her relationship with Newt and Hicks. Not to mention the marines rise above their initial stereotypes to become likable characters. The Abyss is a great love story that just so happens to be a big budget sci-fi actioner. True Lies is also a great love story. Its over the top and silly, but it still makes you care for the characters. Terminator 2 is wonderful because of the relationship between Sarah, John and the T-800 and the well thought out story and not just the amazing action.

And Titanic. The movie everyone loves to hate these days. Call the romance cliche and say the movie wasnt 100% accurate all you want. I still love that film to death. Kate and Leo share incredible chemistry and its a wonderfully entertaining and tragic romance set amongest a historical tragedy.

Cameron knows his shit if you ask me. Each of his films (especially the extended versions) have well written plots and characters we can really sink our teeth into and care about. And he can also direct action like nobodies business. All his films manage to kick ass and have soul at the same time.

I have full faith that Avatar will continue this trend.

[Monotreme]

I'll give you Terminator, Aliens, Abyss and True Lies. Now I'm not saying the guy DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE. Aliens has some of the best character development in a sci-fi action/thriller EVER. But I won't give you Titanic. I also loved the movie, because Cameron knows how to make a movie look good and also how to build great tension - the final hour is one of the most thrilling pieces of cinema. But as you put it, it is Kate and Leo who share great chemistry. But we're not talking about the talent of the actors here, but rather the script. Because the script itself is one of the most shamelessly melodramatic, schmaltzy cliched, kitschy romances written, and if the rest of the film hadn't been so good, this could have easily entered Pearl Harbour territory in terms of diminishing the importance of a tragic, historic event by framing it in a frighteningly kitschy love story.

I have high hopes for Avatar, but am also preparing for the option that, after 12 years of not making a movie and talking so exclusively about the technological advances of the film, that Avatar just might be a disappointment. We'll never know until we see some of it, though, so until then I'm waiting with an open mind. But I'm just saying...

Also, movies like Fast and Furious and comic book movies, which we'll agree are pretty much exclusively the movies making the big bucks today, all have built-in fan bases, whether it be sequelitis like Fast and Furious or fans of the source material with the comic book movies. Avatar has nothing of the sort going for it, so I really think that if critical reception is dismal, the film will still make a shitload of money but not NEARLY as much as if the critical hype was high as well. And considering the film's budget, they better HOPE it's a success...

[corran horn]

Monotreme: I don't know if it can still be accessed online, but there was a scriptment that gives a rough outline of what the film is about (very rough - it was written 12 years ago). I believe Fox had it taken down, but I know others around here have read it and may still have access to it. Perhaps that will help.

[poopontheshoes7]

I'll give you Terminator, Aliens, Abyss and True Lies. Now I'm not saying the guy DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO WRITE. Aliens has some of the best character development in a sci-fi action/thriller EVER. But I won't give you Titanic. I also loved the movie, because Cameron knows how to make a movie look good and also how to build great tension - the final hour is one of the most thrilling pieces of cinema. But as you put it, it is Kate and Leo who share great chemistry. But we're not talking about the talent of the actors here, but rather the script. Because the script itself is one of the most shamelessly melodramatic, schmaltzy cliched, kitschy romances written, and if the rest of the film hadn't been so good, this could have easily entered Pearl Harbour territory in terms of diminishing the importance of a tragic, historic event by framing it in a frighteningly kitschy love story.

I have high hopes for Avatar, but am also preparing for the option that, after 12 years of not making a movie and talking so exclusively about the technological advances of the film, that Avatar just might be a disappointment. We'll never know until we see some of it, though, so until then I'm waiting with an open mind. But I'm just saying...

Also, movies like Fast and Furious and comic book movies, which we'll agree are pretty much exclusively the movies making the big bucks today, all have built-in fan bases, whether it be sequelitis like Fast and Furious or fans of the source material with the comic book movies. Avatar has nothing of the sort going for it, so I really think that if critical reception is dismal, the film will still make a shitload of money but not NEARLY as much as if the critical hype was high as well. And considering the film's budget, they better HOPE it's a success...

Valid points and I completely agree the romance in Titanic incorporates many cliches from other romance films and stories. But I feel that its not only the actors that pulled it off, it is also Cameron and his screenplay. These two characters manage to rise above the cliches apparent in the script and make us care for them. Fear for them. And want them to be together. I never felt that the romance aspect of Titanic took away from the tragedy. It only help drive it home. It never felt like Cameron was putting us on. Everything felt real. The difference between Titanic and Pearl Harbor is that Titanic made me feel real emotion while the ship was sinking while Pearl Harbor did not. As people were dying aboard the Titanic I felt bad for everyone who lost their lives. Pearl Harbor failed at that miserably. I guess what Im trying to say is that Titanic just felt more genuine in its presentation of a tragedy, dispite following fictional characters.

I dont know, maybe Im to easy to please. Maybe I fell for it. But I still find Titanic to be a great, great film.

[drc5145]

Anyone see this posting? It has the same pics as above but there's an interesting nugget in it.

Besides mentioning how Speilberg and Jackson were blown away be the Cameras, apparently 2 more directors have already raved and "signed up" to use the cameras...

http://thefilmstage.com/2009/04/24/set-photos-info-from-james-camerons-avatar/

Empire Magazine also states that other than Spielberg and Jackson (who we already know are using Cameron’s technology for shooting Tintin right now), there are two others that have “signed up” and got “swept away” by the possibilities - J.J. Abrams and Guillermo Del Toro. Could this mean that Abrams’ next Star Trek could be 3D and the two Hobbit movies in 3D?

You have to think that means something you have 5 of The Industry's biggest name directors finding ways to utilize the cameras.

[drc5145]

And has anyone posted these 2 videos? They're demonstrating the power of the CGI Cameron is using for Avatar...

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5yVjHaJ0PI

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnihU4zCXe8

[misbehave]

I am dying for a Cameron movie after all these years.

[CreepyThinMan]

Anyone see this posting? It has the same pics as above but there's an interesting nugget in it.

Besides mentioning how Speilberg and Jackson were blown away be the Cameras, apparently 2 more directors have already raved and "signed up" to use the cameras...

http://thefilmstage.com/2009/04/24/set-photos-info-from-james-camerons-avatar/



You have to think that means something you have 5 of The Industry's biggest name directors finding ways to utilize the cameras.

It means that they've found some new toys to play with. It doesn't mean that their movies will be better. Has mo-cap made Robert Zemekis a better Director because the last time I checked Beowulf and The Polar Express sucked shit.

You know what I've noticed. Whenever anyone talks about all this new technology its always connected to large scale action/sci-fi movies made by Hollywood but we never hear about how it would help Directors make the next Godfather or Chinatown.

This equipment means fuck all if you don't have a good script, a good Director and good actors. All we're stuck with now is a bunch of juvenile Directors making popcorn flicks with astronomical budgets.

[outsyder]

I think Cameron's track record speaks for itself in terms of the quality of his films.

[corran horn]

All we're stuck with now is a bunch of juvenile Directors making popcorn flicks with astronomical budgets.

Huh? I would hardly call Del Toro, Jackson, or Spielberg juvenile. They've long been able to grasp the art of combining art and entertainment (although Steven's gotten a little rusty lately).

[Cosimo]

this film i will pay for and actually watch it in the cinema, i aint even kidding!

[APzombie]

Huh? I would hardly call Del Toro, Jackson, or Spielberg juvenile. They've long been able to grasp the art of combining art and entertainment (although Steven's gotten a little rusty lately).

just because Spielberg's last film wasn't great doesn't mean he's getting rusty, it was only three and a half years ago when he made Munich. It was four years since Jackson made King Kong, which was far sloppier.

[corran horn]

just because Spielberg's last film wasn't great doesn't mean he's getting rusty, it was only three and a half years ago when he made Munich. It was four years since Jackson made King Kong, which was far sloppier.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I meant Steven gotten rusty blockbuster-wise (War of the Worlds, KOTCS). His talent for serious films is, as Munich showed, still in tip-top shape. I certainly hope he gets a chance to make LINCOLN soon as that would be the best of both worlds for him.

[Cosimo]

It means that they've found some new toys to play with. It doesn't mean that their movies will be better. Has mo-cap made Robert Zemekis a better Director because the last time I checked Beowulf and The Polar Express sucked shit.

You know what I've noticed. Whenever anyone talks about all this new technology its always connected to large scale action/sci-fi movies made by Hollywood but we never hear about how it would help Directors make the next Godfather or Chinatown.

This equipment means fuck all if you don't have a good script, a good Director and good actors. All we're stuck with now is a bunch of juvenile Directors making popcorn flicks with astronomical budgets.

spielberg, cameron and jackson aren't capable of making the next chinatown or godfather. their real talent lies within bid budget popcorn flicks. i go to their films to be entertained. munich put me to sleep. this technology will only enhance this factor and personally i can't wait to see what cameron will do with 3D, it'll be groundbreaking. the likes of polanski, haneke and pta should stick to making the serious films

[Silverload]

You know what I've noticed. Whenever anyone talks about all this new technology its always connected to large scale action/sci-fi movies made by Hollywood but we never hear about how it would help Directors make the next Godfather or Chinatown.

Lmao, Steven Soderbergh just pwned your ass!

Soderbergh has seen some of Avatar and compared it directly to The Godfather.

From ComingSoon.net:

We were asking why he [Soderbergh] thought recent films didn't have quite the impact or longevity as the classics, and he gave us a great response about how the volume of movies being made and seen made it hard for anything to have the cultural impact of a movie like The Godfather or be remembered. He was disappointed there weren't those sorts of benchmarks in the movies being made today, but he surprised us by adding that he thought James Cameron's Avatar would be one of those benchmarks

[APzombie]

thats promising! At the same time, I recall a recent podcast (i think it was The Treatment) where Soderbergh was quoted saying The Curious Case of Benjamin Button was his favorite film of 08 because his friend "matured as a filmmaker".

Anyone who says thats their favorite movie was the best of 08' gets a grain or two of salt from me. Especially when they are friends with the filmmaker, like SS is with JC.

[HurricanesR1]

I'm very excited to see this movie. It sounds great...can't wait for the trailer.

[razgriz21]

^^^Probably will happen in late June or early July.

[JohnLocke2342]

I really honestly could care less about some of the shit movies coming out in the next couple of months, but Avatar looks so promising and different.

Do you guys think it's going to have the highest expectations of all-time? I mean, I would say that a movie like The Dark Knight, Indy 4, or even Episode I had the most if you go by fan base... but this seems like it's expectations r being felt even more so outside the fan boy realm and into the film making perspective.

[Pentangeli]

Hopefully Avatar will be on par with Aliens, or at least better than The Abyss.

[CreepyThinMan]

Lmao, Steven Soderbergh just pwned your ass!

Soderbergh has seen some of Avatar and compared it directly to The Godfather.

From ComingSoon.net:

OH SNAP BIOTCH, I got, like, TOTALLY pwned111 like a fucking n00b OMFGWTFROTFLMFAOBBQ by Soderbergh who just happens to be a friend of Cameron who produced Solaris which was a boring piece of shit and a terrible adaptation of a great book where as The Godfather parts 1 & 2 were GREAT adaptations of a mediocre novel but then I'd hardly put Soderbergh at the same level as Francis Ford Coppola when he was at his peak nor has he produced ANYTHING comparable to the masterpiece's that are The Godfather 1 & 2.

Also, I don't exactly remember Coppola needing 12 years, 300 million and photorealistic 3-D CGI mo-cap to make The Godfather 1 & 2 nor do I remember it breaking new ground in the visual effects industry?

Another thing, I would give a shit about Soderbergh’s opinion if he hadn't of made a career out of making self indulgent pseudo intellectual art house wank (Sex, Lies and Videotape, Kafka, Schizopolis, Full Frontal, The Good German, Bubble and The Girlfriend Experience, none of which I’d call good cinema) fluffy multiplex crowd pleasers (Out of Sight, Ocean’s Trilogy) a TV movie with a so-called A-Lister in a push up bra (Erin Brockovich) and an overrated Hollywoodized Cliff Notes adaptation of a great British mini-series (Traffic) not to mention the other insufferable trash he’s made that I can’t be bothered to mention.

So forgive me if I don’t feel like I was sick burned from a douchebag who’s been knocking out movies for two decades and has produced NOTHING comparable to The Godfather 1 & 2 while trying to drum up some publicity for his friend’s movie.

[JohnLocke2342]

+1 creepythinman... even tho that first sentence was the longest run on I've seen on these boards.

[outsyder]

Some screenshots of Avatar: The Game revealed.

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/843/843156/imgs_1.html

They give us some new insight into Cameron's created world.

[Raimo69]

The game is also gonna be in 3d from what I heard. So that is sort of different.

[God of War]

Hmm..how long now until we see a trailer? I read something like 3 weeks or so.

I'm pretty interested to see this.

[outsyder]

Hard to believe we're only 6 months out.

[anakinsrise]

The name of the action figure escapes me but ,the battle suits bring back memories of those action figures.Looks impressive

[corran horn]

I really honestly could care less about some of the shit movies coming out in the next couple of months, but Avatar looks so promising and different.

Do you guys think it's going to have the highest expectations of all-time? I mean, I would say that a movie like The Dark Knight, Indy 4, or even Episode I had the most if you go by fan base... but this seems like it's expectations r being felt even more so outside the fan boy realm and into the film making perspective.

Speaking solely for myself, I hope AVATAR helps fill the gap that has been missing since LOTR wrapped up. There's just been this void in the film calendar (the big, highly-acclaimed winter blockbuster/epic) that has not been filled for the past 6 years. If anyone can help bridge that gap, it's Cameron.

The name of the action figure escapes me but ,the battle suits bring back memories of those action figures.Looks impressive

I know which ones you're talking about. They had people in these giant walkers that, if you pushed a button on the machine, one of the legs would drop off. I even remember there being a TV show about them, but I don't remember the name.

I do like the concept art, especially the one with the pterodactyl-like creatures attacking the airship.

As for a trailer, I'm betting there will be one either with Ice Age 3 (both are in 3D and both are released by Fox) or with Harry Potter a few weeks later.

[Silverload]

The concept art looks good and the game looks pretty wild. I remember hearing a while back that the Avatar game is going to be a mmorpg.

Here is the Q&A with Cameron at the IMax showing of Aliens: http://ia301535.us.archive.org/2/items/JamesCameronAtAeroTheatre05-29-09/JamesCameronAero052909.mp3

The name of the action figure escapes me but ,the battle suits bring back memories of those action figures.Looks impressive

If you're thinking of Exosquad, then I'm thinking the same thing. Funny thing is, when I was a kid Exosquad used to remind me a bit of Aliens, which is why I dug the show & action figures so much.

[FireCaptain4]

http://filmonic.com/avatar-footage-shown-today

It’s been 3 long years since James Cameron started working on Avatar but it seems the time has finally arrived for some footage to be revealed. Not in the form of a trailer to the masses (just yet), but at the CineExpo convention in Amsterdam. From THR:

'Program highlights set for Tuesday include a Fox slate presentation that’s expected to feature extended clips from Jim Cameron’s “Avatar,” a 3-D scifi tentpole scheduled for release around the world in December. Fox also will screen its 3-D summer three-quel “Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs,” and Sony will show its Katherine Heigl/Gerard Butler starrer “The Ugly Truth.” '

TheArnoldFans.com have also learned that James Cameron and Sam Worthginton will be attending the San Diego Comic Con next month, which I suspect will be the place Cameron will reveal the first Avatar trailer.

'It’s been reported that James Cameron and Sam Worthington will be making appearances at this year’s Comic Con in San Diego. Our friend Jacob tells us that the Avatar panel and Q&A will be on Thursday, July 23rd. TheArnoldFans.com will be attending and we hope to sit down with Cameron at the roundtable interviews.'

If footage and trailers are going to be shown at conventions then there is a good chance that bootlegs will pop up. I hope 20th Century Fox release the trailer online so that our first look at Avatar will be in glorious 720p full screen HD rather than a crappy Youtube version. By this time next month we could have an Avatar trailer!

Lucky bastards!

Can't wait for the trailer.

[APzombie]

eye witness description of footage

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/

[Silverload]

Now this image looks like the planet's description from the original scriptment:
http://origin.aintitcool.com/images2009/avatarwaterfall.jpg


eye witness description of footage

http://marketsaw.blogspot.com/

Sounds amazing, I can't wait to see the trailer.

[echo_bravo]

Holy shit

This film is gonna be like a religious experience for me.:eek:

[Vanderzaiden]

hi, guys. let introduce myself first: my name is alinus vanderzaiden and i'm a deutch jornalist from tha magazine "the volksrant". i was invited at cinema expo in amsterdam yesterday to watch the presentation of avatar footages. i will try to be very honest here: i was very disappointed, don't believe the hype. they showed three sequences for about 24 minutes of footage, and those sequences looked not much better than star wars 3:revenge of the sith or sky captain and the world of tomorrow. the look of the movie is very cg and artificial and at one point we saw a sequence set in an exotic jungle where a badly animated creature, very reminiscent of the giant rhino from the arena of attack of the clones, came out from the foliage and attacked two cg aliens. it looked so bad, i couldn't believe cameron approved such a poor rendered scene. another sequence showed worthinghton logged, via neural connection, with the body of an alien: the computer generated navi didn't look convincing as davy jones of pirates of caribbean, it looked good, but not photoreal. the navi looked like giant blue gollum(with big yellow eyes), not the elegant creatures showed in the concept arts. they showed also some unfinished bits of the final battle: the battle lookED massive, with hundreds of space soldiers vs thousands of na'vis riding flying creatures, catapults, arrows and bows etc. well, it looked like a cut scene from a videogame, but take in mind that it was not completley rendered. the battle is very interesting from a tactical point of view: we saw the space marines coming out from tanks and other transport veicles, firing from bazooka some sort of magnetic devices that stoppped in the middle of the air and released metallic nets( like technological spider nets). those nets stopped the na'vi flying creatures to keep attaccking them. after that, a bunch of giant mechas fire, with HUGE machine-guns, against parasites that hide themselves under pandora vegetation: the parasites attack the mechas and burn the metal with corrosive acid released from trunks . the pilot of one of the mechas was melted from the acid. so another unit of soldiers come out from a massive thank carrying a strange sonic weapon wich rleases an e.m.p. and blasts away the scary creatures. end of the footages. there was also a large applause for cameron and the actors, but i was a bit disappointed, because i'm an hardocre fan of jim and i expcted more from the supposed revolutionary cg.

[MisterChristian]

A journalist that forgot the importance of paragraphs :)

[Dead Halloween]

hi, guys. let introduce myself first: my name is alinus vanderzaiden and i'm a deutch jornalist from tha magazine "the volksrant". i was invited at cinema expo in amsterdam yesterday to watch the presentation of avatar footages. i will try to be very honest here: i was very disappointed, don't believe the hype. they showed three sequences for about 24 minutes of footage, and those sequences looked not much better than star wars 3:revenge of the sith or sky captain and the world of tomorrow. the look of the movie is very cg and artificial and at one point we saw a sequence set in an exotic jungle where a badly animated creature, very reminiscent of the giant rhino from the arena of attack of the clones, came out from the foliage and attacked two cg aliens. it looked so bad, i couldn't believe cameron approved such a poor rendered scene. another sequence showed worthinghton logged, via neural connection, with the body of an alien: the computer generated navi didn't look convincing as davy jones of pirates of caribbean, it looked good, but not photoreal. the navi looked like giant blue gollum(with big yellow eyes), not the elegant creatures showed in the concept arts. they showed also some unfinished bits of the final battle: the battle lookED massive, with hundreds of space soldiers vs thousands of na'vis riding flying creatures, catapults, arrows and bows etc. well, it looked like a cut scene from a videogame, but take in mind that it was not completley rendered. the battle is very interesting from a tactical point of view: we saw the space marines coming out from tanks and other transport veicles, firing from bazooka some sort of magnetic devices that stoppped in the middle of the air and released metallic nets( like technological spider nets). those nets stopped the na'vi flying creatures to keep attaccking them. after that, a bunch of giant mechas fire, with HUGE machine-guns, against parasites that hide themselves under pandora vegetation: the parasites attack the mechas and burn the metal with corrosive acid released from trunks . the pilot of one of the mechas was melted from the acid. so another unit of soldiers come out from a massive thank carrying a strange sonic weapon wich rleases an e.m.p. and blasts away the scary creatures. end of the footages. there was also a large applause for cameron and the actors, but i was a bit disappointed, because i'm an hardocre fan of jim and i expcted more from the supposed revolutionary cg.

No offense, but I usually don't trust reviews from infant schmoes.

[Vanderzaiden]

No offense, but I usually don't trust reviews from infant schmoes.


elaborate, please. i put a detailed description of the footages,don't act like a fan boy.

[Vanderzaiden]

A journalist that forgot the importance of paragraphs :)



i wrote quickly. i was not writing an article. don't be a fool.

[MisterChristian]

i wrote quickly. i was not writing an article. don't be a fool.

Oh, the "I'm not writing an article" excuse. Silly me... :rolleyes: ;)

[FLAME_ON]

I have yet to see a 3D movie since its resurrection (in fact, my only real experience of 3D has been with pictures and the red/blue glasses) and I'm going to continue that until Avartar... if this is truly the real deal, I want to be blown away in every way imaginable.

And where's the fucking trailer man!?

[Dead Halloween]

elaborate, please. i put a detailed description of the footages,don't act like a fan boy.

Even if your review was praising it, I still wouldn't trust it. It wouldn't be the first time that a movie company employee tries to rise or lower the hype of an upcoming movie in this forum. Maybe if you post some links to some articles you have wrote for this magazine of yours might change my mind.

I'm not saying that your review is right or wrong, just that I don't trust it. Sorry.

[Kilar]

A poster with 3 posts, claiming to be a journalist, with the writing skills of a caged gimp with a crayon and butchers paper.
Plus everything you quoted was info taken from all the other reports floating around the web, just with a negative slant.
Even if you were there and that is your opinon you still suck as a writer and I never trust the opinon of a near-illiterate.
Love and Kisses.

[Kilar]

Just a little something from my mind at the moment...
While it's true the general public have seen not one frame of footage from this, I think we have the right to be excited for this film based on the following facts:
: An A-List director with a fanstasic track record.
: An amazing visual effects company in Weta.
: It's a film that isn't a sequel/prequel/remake/reimaging/based on a toy line/ comic/graphic novel/video game/board game... i.e. its something new that we don't know about, which is a VERY rare thing these days.
: It's a big budget, no expense spared spectacle that we haven't seen in a while.
: It's the first real photoreal 3D film that is using the technology well (apparently, as I've said, none of us slubs have seen it, but from all reports and JC's intent this seems to be the case) i.e. It's not an animinated kids film with stuff constantly flying in your face.
: It's shooting high and trying to raise the bar for films and technology, it's not treading water and giving us something safe that we've seen 100's of times before.
: The scriptment/story is actually pretty damn good.
: It's creating a whole new world for us to experience.
: Everyone who has actually seen footage from it has been very impressed, to the point of making their own films using the same technology (Spielberg/Jackson/Scott)
Thats probably enough reasons for now. And to be honest, any of those reasons is usually enough for people to be excited if it was any other movie/director, but it seems Avatar/James Cameron are being held to a much higher standard with this film. Unfair? Probably, but if anyone can pull it off Cameron can.

[Vanderzaiden]

A poster with 3 posts, claiming to be a journalist, with the writing skills of a caged gimp with a crayon and butchers paper.
Plus everything you quoted was info taken from all the other reports floating around the web, just with a negative slant.
Even if you were there and that is your opinon you still suck as a writer and I never trust the opinon of a near-illiterate.
Love and Kisses.


english is not not my first language, sir, so please stop your retard statements. nobody described, in the reports around the net, so precisley the footage of the final battle. nobody. give me an example of the final battle description in the articles about cine expo presentation. i f you want i can go on on : doctor grace( sigourney weaver), before logging the neural device in the back of sam wartinghton, gives him a drug called "prophenium 14 c" to prevent his heart to go in fibrillation during the passage from his mind to na'vi mind. she put on her finger a micrscopic needle and inject the medicine in the wartinghton neck. i can go on, if you want.


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[rilocay]

Kilar's points he made are good reasons why everyone's excited about this thing, because if it is as massive as everyones hoping it will be, heads will explode in theatre's world-wide...but really, it's definatly going to have an impact on current and future career's in the biz and the industry itself.

[Kilar]

english is not not my first language, sir, so please stop your retard statements. nobody described, in the reports around the net, so precisley the footage of the final battle. nobody. give me an example of the final battle description in the articles about cine expo presentation. i f you want i can go on on : doctor grace( sigourney weaver), before logging the neural device in the back of sam wartinghton, gives him a drug called "prophenium 14 c" to prevent his heart to go in fibrillation during the passage from his mind to na'vi mind. she put on her finger a micrscopic needle and inject the medicine in the wartinghton neck. i can go on, if you want.


i
Oh snap...
Can you explain to me then why practically every report coming out of the screening, except yours, seems to be in awe of the effects, yet you considered them embarassing and can't believe Cameron is asociated with them?
You had both eyes open right?

[Vanderzaiden]

Oh snap...
Can you explain to me then why practically every report coming out of the screening, except yours, seems to be in awe of the effects, yet you considered them embarassing and can't believe Cameron is asociated with them?
You had both eyes open right?



i didn't consider the effects embarassing, i only wrote that a creature( a giant armored rhino) is badly animated. the rest of the effects are solid but not groundbreaking. take in mind: this is a multimilion dollars movie, so it's crystal clear that 20 century fox was very careful about the reports. there are many critics that consider the embarassing "dark knight" a masterpiece, go figure! it's called "over-hyping"!

[Kilar]

So basically it didn't quite met your expectations, whatever they were. Got it.
When you say groundbreaking, what exactly do you expect?
And are you saying Fox are only letting the people with positive things to say about it type their opinions annonymously on the net?

[Kilar]

there are many critics that consider the embarassing "dark knight" a masterpiece, go figure! it's called "over-hyping"!

Oh my.
A Masterpiece? Maybe not
Embarassing? Ahh what!!!???

[RicochetShaw]

english is not not my first language, sir, so please stop your retard statements. nobody described, in the reports around the net, so precisley the footage of the final battle. nobody. give me an example of the final battle description in the articles about cine expo presentation. i f you want i can go on on : doctor grace( sigourney weaver), before logging the neural device in the back of sam wartinghton, gives him a drug called "prophenium 14 c" to prevent his heart to go in fibrillation during the passage from his mind to na'vi mind. she put on her finger a micrscopic needle and inject the medicine in the wartinghton neck. i can go on, if you want.


i


I apologize on behalf of my fellow Schmoes, Vanderzaiden. We have an issue here, like most forums do, of disrespecting new members. I for one, appreciate you coming here and giving us the scoop. Thank you. And your English is very good. I wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't your first language if you didn't say so. :)

[Vanderzaiden]

I apologize on behalf of my fellow Schmoes, Vanderzaiden. We have an issue here, like most forums do, of disrespecting new members. I for one, appreciate you coming here and giving us the scoop. Thank you. And your English is very good. I wouldn't be able to tell it wasn't your first language if you didn't say so. :)


thanks, you are very kind!

[Kilar]

Am I supposed to feel like an asshole now?
His first post in this forum was terrible, at that stage I had no idea English wasn't his first language, so I called him on it. After that I've just been asking for more info. I'm not stringing the guy up on a cross or anything.
Plus he called me retarded, that shit ain't right!

[blankpage]

Yeah, Vanderzaiden just a heads up for next time...maybe word your responses without using "retarded" :)

Whether it is legit or not, let's just keep things on track. Merci!

[Nazgul]

Mmmm can't wait to see it in 3D and get blown away!!!

[Vanderzaiden]

Yeah, Vanderzaiden just a heads up for next time...maybe word your responses without using "retarded" :)

Whether it is legit or not, let's just keep things on track. Merci!


sorry, wasn't my intention to start a flame. the phrase "retarded statements" was referred to some rude comments of kilar calling me illeterate etc. my apologies to kilar.


back to kilar answer about what i consider groundbreaking cg : well, for example benjamin button cg head. the humanoid na'vi are a step backward, imho, in photorealism: they are more similar to yoda from revenge of the sith. their eyes were dead and "madametussaudesque"( i invented this word from scratch), the skin rendering a bit plastic, the animation was stiff and jerky at times. i hope what i saw was not the final product.

[Silverload]

hi, guys. let introduce myself first: my name is alinus vanderzaiden and i'm a deutch jornalist from tha magazine "the volksrant". i was invited at cinema expo in amsterdam yesterday to watch the presentation of avatar footages. i will try to be very honest here: i was very disappointed, don't believe the hype. they showed three sequences for about 24 minutes of footage, and those sequences looked not much better than star wars 3:revenge of the sith or sky captain and the world of tomorrow. the look of the movie is very cg and artificial and at one point we saw a sequence set in an exotic jungle where a badly animated creature, very reminiscent of the giant rhino from the arena of attack of the clones, came out from the foliage and attacked two cg aliens. it looked so bad, i couldn't believe cameron approved such a poor rendered scene. another sequence showed worthinghton logged, via neural connection, with the body of an alien: the computer generated navi didn't look convincing as davy jones of pirates of caribbean, it looked good, but not photoreal. the navi looked like giant blue gollum(with big yellow eyes), not the elegant creatures showed in the concept arts. they showed also some unfinished bits of the final battle: the battle lookED massive, with hundreds of space soldiers vs thousands of na'vis riding flying creatures, catapults, arrows and bows etc. well, it looked like a cut scene from a videogame, but take in mind that it was not completley rendered. the battle is very interesting from a tactical point of view: we saw the space marines coming out from tanks and other transport veicles, firing from bazooka some sort of magnetic devices that stoppped in the middle of the air and released metallic nets( like technological spider nets). those nets stopped the na'vi flying creatures to keep attaccking them. after that, a bunch of giant mechas fire, with HUGE machine-guns, against parasites that hide themselves under pandora vegetation: the parasites attack the mechas and burn the metal with corrosive acid released from trunks . the pilot of one of the mechas was melted from the acid. so another unit of soldiers come out from a massive thank carrying a strange sonic weapon wich rleases an e.m.p. and blasts away the scary creatures. end of the footages. there was also a large applause for cameron and the actors, but i was a bit disappointed, because i'm an hardocre fan of jim and i expcted more from the supposed revolutionary cg.

Thanks for the report. Sounds awesome regardless of how good the CGI is. Though I do find it hard to believe that every other report from the expo (including people I know personally) would be drooling over effects that were on par with Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.

there are many critics that consider the embarassing "dark knight" a masterpiece, go figure!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s248/Silverload/saywhat.jpg
Say whaaaaat?!

[Kilar]

Did Gollum have soul-less eyes like a wax statue? We are five years on from Gollum so I find it hard to believe the Avatar Na'vi have souless/wax like eyes. You are entiteled to your opinion obviously, and I'm entitled to question it.

Yeah, and when you call the Dark Knight embarassing, its embarassing. It's far from my favorite film, but there is really no element of that film that could be considered embarassing (well maybe Bale's angry voice!)

[FLAME_ON]

First look at the Na'vi...
http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/avatarcomiccon2.jpg

[Nazgul]

Just a little something from my mind at the moment...
While it's true the general public have seen not one frame of footage from this, I think we have the right to be excited for this film based on the following facts:
: An A-List director with a fanstasic track record.
: An amazing visual effects company in Weta.
: It's a film that isn't a sequel/prequel/remake/reimaging/based on a toy line/ comic/graphic novel/video game/board game... i.e. its something new that we don't know about, which is a VERY rare thing these days.
: It's a big budget, no expense spared spectacle that we haven't seen in a while.
: It's the first real photoreal 3D film that is using the technology well (apparently, as I've said, none of us slubs have seen it, but from all reports and JC's intent this seems to be the case) i.e. It's not an animinated kids film with stuff constantly flying in your face.
: It's shooting high and trying to raise the bar for films and technology, it's not treading water and giving us something safe that we've seen 100's of times before.
: The scriptment/story is actually pretty damn good.
: It's creating a whole new world for us to experience.
: Everyone who has actually seen footage from it has been very impressed, to the point of making their own films using the same technology (Spielberg/Jackson/Scott)
Thats probably enough reasons for now. And to be honest, any of those reasons is usually enough for people to be excited if it was any other movie/director, but it seems Avatar/James Cameron are being held to a much higher standard with this film. Unfair? Probably, but if anyone can pull it off Cameron can.

I like these points. I'm so excited!

[Kilar]

Thanks Nazgul... Yeah the point I was trying to make is Cameron is trying to give us something amazing. How can you not be excited when someone with his drive and passion sets out on a mission like that. If it lives up to the hype (which internet people are already getting annoyed with, while at the same time screaming for a trailer mind you and contributing to the hype themselves!) or not, you have to admire the effort and desire Cameron is putting into this project.

[Mr. Moe]

english is not not my first language, sir, so please stop your retard statements. nobody described, in the reports around the net, so precisley the footage of the final battle. nobody. give me an example of the final battle description in the articles about cine expo presentation. i f you want i can go on on : doctor grace( sigourney weaver), before logging the neural device in the back of sam wartinghton, gives him a drug called "prophenium 14 c" to prevent his heart to go in fibrillation during the passage from his mind to na'vi mind. she put on her finger a micrscopic needle and inject the medicine in the wartinghton neck. i can go on, if you want.


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Yeah, because its not like the script, which describes everything, has been online for a decade now. :rolleyes:

Well, the official image looks pretty damn photoreal to me. The eyes look great (the best I've seen), and nothing about it looks like a gollum with giant eyes. Sorry but I call bullshit on your "report".

[angelofmusic]

I met M. Night Shyamalan today, they just wrapped up the last day of filming in my small town of Lehighton, PA. They were filming by the dam at our state park. He was very nice and his security guard and wire stunt coordinator were as well!

[FLAME_ON]

I met M. Night Shyamalan today, they just wrapped up the last day of filming in my small town of Lehighton, PA. They were filming by the dam at our state park. He was very nice and his security guard and wire stunt coordinator were as well!

Wrong "Avatar".
This is James Cameron's... Shyamalan's is titled "The Last Airbender"

[angelofmusic]

Yes, I realized that after I went back and read through the thread, oops!

[Nazgul]

So many people are still confused what James Cameron's Avatar is.

[pablo_super1!]

Okay I'm very excited for this, but I want to know what Photo Real 3D is. What'sthe difference between this and just Real D 3D, I know that this film is supposed to revolutionize the film industry, but what is Photo real 3D.

[corran horn]

Okay I'm very excited for this, but I want to know what Photo Real 3D is. What'sthe difference between this and just Real D 3D, I know that this film is supposed to revolutionize the film industry, but what is Photo real 3D.

As I understand it, photo-real 3D is just a more advanced version of RealD 3D. Supposedly, it rectifies what people consider to be one of the biggest flaws w/3D animation: "dead eyes".

Definitely like the Na'vi image from Comic-Con. Looks more humanoid than I expected, but it looks real enough to me.

[APzombie]

http://www.comingsoon.net/nextraimages/avatarcomiccon2.jpg

the face looks like a more organic version of mystique.

[Digifruitella]

Am I supposed to feel like an asshole now?
His first post in this forum was terrible, at that stage I had no idea English wasn't his first language, so I called him on it.

That's your mistake, he clearly stated he wrote for a Deutsch magazine. 2+2 is what?

[Reigh Kaufman]

. 2+2 is what?

“ In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense. And what was terrifying was not that they would kill you for thinking otherwise, but that they might be right. For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four?

Double-think, my friend. Kilar is simply more evolved than us.

:D

[HurricanesR1]

What's with the big robot looking things in the video game? Is that going to be in the movie....and if so, what are they?

[Kilar]

2+2 is what?

I don't make mistakes... You should know that.:D
If you don't, ask yo momma, OH!

[Kilar]

That's your mistake, he clearly stated he wrote for a Deutsch magazine.

And what does that have to do with it anyway, writting for a German mag is not exclusive to speaking proper english and all cuz, you know it 24/7, rad, narley, righteous even...
I have a friend who writes for a Scottish magazine and he still understands all that english shite.

[Kilar]

What's with the big robot looking things in the video game? Is that going to be in the movie....and if so, what are they?

This is not really a spoiler, but they are suits the human soldiers wear around Pandora for a number of reasons. The best reason is that they can blow the shit out of everything that moves in fine style.
The suits are also iPod friendly so you can listen to Van Halen as you stomp around the forest.
They will be in the movie, and they had a full size replica on show a few weeks back at the video game launch which looked pretty damn awesome.
I would like one to go shopping at the mall with and crush those annoying screaming kids into paste:D

[anakinsrise]

Pics from Comic Con 7-22-09



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[Nazgul]

I can't wait what Cameron will reveal at the Comic Con.

[Nazgul]

So people who saw footage said it was amazing. Can't wait to hear more info!!

[Jig Saw 123]

15-minute footage in IMAX theaters for free! :D

[AspectRatio1986]

I really wish there was an Imax theater within 45 minutes of where I live!

[yermodat]

I'm so excited... I can't wait for this to come out and I agree... if anybody can pull this off, it's Cameron

[JEpstrom]

Wow.... so many doubters upset about "no trailer" when there will be 15 MINUTES of footage out in IMAX 3D in just a few weeks.... they obviously want to promote this one right considering all the hype.... all you really need to consider is that it is JAMES CAMERON, who along with Peter Jackson truly knows how to meld ultimate F/X with outstanding actors & story.... I'm not missing this one - are you?

[rgaston]

I was a little concerned about all the hype, but now knowing that his inspiration was the original Star Trek series and that the cast includes not only Weaver and Biehn but the awesome Sam Worthington, the free 15 mins in IMAX may not be enough:D

[LFemure]

avatar is goin 2 b aweeeeeesome. 3d like never before

[echo_bravo]

Really good/detailed description. I appreciate the guy for being honest and not some Avatar fanboy saying "Its the best thing ever!".

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41793

From that description, it really does sound like a Sci-Fi version of Malick's The New World.

[corran horn]

Really good/detailed description. I appreciate the guy for being honest and not some Avatar fanboy saying "Its the best thing ever!".

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41793

From that description, it really does sound like a Sci-Fi version of Malick's The New World.


Sounds good to me! I'm not so sure about the comparison to The New World, though. The description reminded me way more of Dances With Wolves and, by extension, a little bit of Lawrence of Arabia

[jokerboy1991]

Sounds interesting. Meh, I will probably just wait for the reviews.

[corran horn]

15-minute footage in IMAX theaters for free! :D

Not just that, but also the trailer and maybe even the poster(s)!

[Jig Saw 123]

Not just that, but also the trailer and maybe even the poster(s)!

I can only hope

[corran horn]

I can only hope

While I'm not sure about the poster(s), I can confirm that the trailer will debut in front of the 15 minutes of footage as well as online, as stated in this press release:

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/avatarnews.php?id=57438

[corran horn]

Here's Harry Knowles' reaction:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41801

One thing that I'm glad to hear is that there are no "dead eyes" in this. It sounds like Cameron has remedied what has been my biggest complaint with 3D mo-cap heavy movies thus far.

[LordSimen]

Friend said the stuff shown at Comic-Con blew his mind. I'm so excited for this movie. :D

[razgriz21]

I hoope that Michael Biehn makes an appearance but I'm not counting on it.

This may be the first time in a long time that I have paid money to see a movie at a theater out of 20th Century Fox.

[corran horn]

I hoope that Michael Biehn makes an appearance but I'm not counting on it.

This may be the first time in a long time that I have paid money to see a movie at a theater out of 20th Century Fox.

Same here. The last mainline Fox film I saw in theaters was Walk the Line almost four years ago. Now, Fox Searchlight is a very different story, because their films are actually good.

[KillAngels]

Is there a list of the theaters that are gonna be showing the 15min footage?

[corran horn]

Is there a list of the theaters that are gonna be showing the 15min footage?

Not yet, but I would suggest monitoring the official movie site for news.

http://www.avatarmovie.com/

[ccapel]

As I understand it, photo-real 3D is just a more advanced version of RealD 3D. Supposedly, it rectifies what people consider to be one of the biggest flaws w/3D animation: "dead eyes".

No no no. The "photo-real 3D" refers to the CG characters and how well they're rendered. People are confusing that with "RealD" which refers to the image in the theater having three dimensions to it.

The 3D in Avatar will look pretty much the same as any other 3D movie you might have seen in the last few months. (Coraline, Monsters vs. Aliens, etc.) But the CG will supposedly look photorealistic, whether you're watching it with 3D glasses or on a standard screen.

[jaymckee74]

anyone know if this whole "avatar day" thing will screen in canadian theatres?

[ElderPredator]

Anybody having trouble with the "Avatar" ticket site? I can't get on (guessing the overwhelming traffic)

[Jig Saw 123]

Anybody having trouble with the "Avatar" ticket site? I can't get on (guessing the overwhelming traffic)

Yes, but it allowed me to enter the page that said "Select the theater nearest you to view a sneak peek at Avatar in 3-D IMAX", but unfortunately it didn't list the theaters.

[Bourne101]

Try this link:

http://rsvp.foxfilm.com/signup/1/chain/3

That's for the Canadian one (with 3 at the end). For the number at the end of the link, just go through 1, 2, 3, 4 etc. until you find an area where you want to see it. I think 1 is AMC theatres. Ignore the number after "signup/" though.

[ElderPredator]

Try this link:

http://rsvp.foxfilm.com/signup/1/chain/3

That's for the Canadian one (with 3 at the end). For the number at the end of the link, just go through 1, 2, 3, 4 etc. until you find an area where you want to see it. I think 1 is AMC theatres. Ignore the number after "signup/" though.

Thanks bud, doesn't work unfortunately. Just lags and never loads up.

[Bourne101]

Thanks bud, doesn't work unfortunately. Just lags and never loads up.

Keep trying, it took me quite a few tries before I got on the site. FOX made an announcement on Facebook that there are connection problems because there are so many people trying to get tickets.

Not sure where you live but the following are for tickets in American places:

http://rsvp.foxfilm.com/signup/1/chain/1
http://rsvp.foxfilm.com/signup/1/chain/2

After that I'm not certain, haven't been able to get on any others except those two and the Canadian one. Pretty sure there are more though.

[ElderPredator]

Keep trying, it took me quite a few tries before I got on the site. FOX made an announcement on Facebook that there are connection problems because there are so many people trying to get tickets.

Not sure where you live but the following are for tickets in American places:

http://rsvp.foxfilm.com/signup/1/chain/1
http://rsvp.foxfilm.com/signup/1/chain/2

After that I'm not certain, haven't been able to get on any others except those two and the Canadian one. Pretty sure there are more though.

Yeah, I'm Canadian so the first one you put it was right. Thanks again!

I can't believe I'm getting fucked out of tickets over a technical issue.

[Bourne101]

Thanks again!

No problem, but if you really want the tickets keep trying. You'll get them eventually most likely. I've been checking through the other numbers and there are also some other Canadian links (4 is for sure).

[Digifruitella]

all the major cities are sold out - however, smaller towns or urban areas that are showing this are still open for RSVP.

Got mine - pretty excited

[APzombie]

this movie will make a fortune if an extended trailer is being sold out. Either that or it is the most hyped cinematic experience of all time and will ultimately dissapoint nearly everyone.

[JCPhoenix]

this movie will make a fortune if an extended trailer is being sold out. Either that or it is the most hyped cinematic experience of all time and will ultimately dissapoint nearly everyone.

The tickets are free. My roommate and I picked up two each as we figured we'd be seeing Inglourious Basterds that day too so we could just go check out the Avatar footage and then go see Basterds.

That said, this is a really smart marketing play. They get all the people who are more interested in Avatar into these screenings and if the footage is good, the buzz will start spreading from those fans in all the different cities and easily make up for the cost of "Avatar Day".

Oh and thanks Bourne101 for the Cdn theatre link...saved me a ton of trouble trying to get the tics.

[echo_bravo]

Damn, James Cameron really makes his fans work huh?

Sadly its lookin less and less likely that I'll be able to see the 15 minute footage.

But just for the record, the actual trailer will be released online the day after right???

[HurricanesR1]

But just for the record, the actual trailer will be released online the day after right???
The teaser trailer will be released on Thursday

http://www.apple.com/trailers

[SkyNet]

got my Avatar Day tix... can't wait!

Probably going to do the same thing JCPheonix is doing... see the footage then check out Inglorious Bastards

[Silverload]

Got my tickets!

Damn, James Cameron really makes his fans work huh?

At least we don't have to go through scavenger hunts & guess puzzles just to see photos & small bits of footage like with TDK :D

[ElderPredator]

The marketing of this movie is going down the tubes guys.

I just went to Apple.com to see the trailer and all the HD links are invalid due to everyone trying to logon and see it.

[Jig Saw 123]

Everything I've tried (PC, Labtop, iPhone) doesn't allow the trailer to load instead giving the Quicktime symbol with a question mark. Apple needs to better prepare their servers.

[ElderPredator]

I think Cameron is gonna flip a fucking lid if this shit goes on any longer.

Apple doesn't add their trailer links until the last possible second so people don't figure out the links early. Because they do this though, it leads to so many problems.

[Bourne101]

This is bullshit.

[Jig Saw 123]

Pisses me off!:mad:

[ElderPredator]

Here you go lads, a working link:

http://www.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_720p.mov

[Jig Saw 123]

Here you go lads, a working link:

http://www.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_720p.mov

You are a God! :eek: Trailer looks absolutely stunning.

[outsyder]

Thanks man.
But don't worry I completely expected this to blow up the Internet.

[ElderPredator]

FUCK..........ME...........

That trailer just blew my fucking mind! :eek:

http://i27.tinypic.com/al516b.gif

Link: http://movieandcelebritygifs.blogspot.com/

[ElderPredator]

Beautiful shots and the CGI looks breathtaking...

Note: To see the FULL SIZE GIF, simply click on the smaller version below. The small previews helps with page loading since the files are so big.

http://i31.tinypic.com/o59nba_th.gif (http://i31.tinypic.com/o59nba.gif)

Link: http://movieandcelebritygifs.blogspot.com/

[Bourne101]

Holy fuck! Visually it looks fucking AMAZING. Story wise, we'll have to wait and see.

[madmatt2146]

Looks good but no one talks in the trailer

[ElderPredator]

I'm reading around and people are already bitching about the CGI. People have absolutely no understanding of what they see. It's the most advanced and stunning CGI I've ever seen. The difference between watching the film on your computer monitor and an IMAX screen will be huge. The CGI will look much more natural when it releases.

Thank you Jim!

[outsyder]

http://images.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar2009aug0820a-tsr_h1080p.mov

1080p link

[Jig Saw 123]

FUCK..........ME...........

That trailer just blew my fucking mind! :eek:

http://i27.tinypic.com/al516b.gif

Link: http://movieandcelebritygifs.blogspot.com/

That is the shot that really made me jump up in excitement.

[outsyder]

I hate all you bastards with free passes.

[NoHo]

Not feeling the creature CGI in this. Their eyes and that shade of blue make them look very cartoony. Nothing revolutioanry like we were lead to believe.

[miguel_montes]

To tell you the truth, I was a bit disappointed. Episode II disappointed... what rating is this supposed to be?

[overwatch]

Wow, that was pretty incredible.

[Jig Saw 123]

Not feeling the creature CGI in this. Their eyes and that shade of blue make them look very cartoony. Nothing revolutioanry like we were lead to believe.

I agree with the eyes portion, they do make the character look more animated and childish, but I do like the skin tone especially in the night sequences.

[outsyder]

To tell you the truth, I was a bit disappointed. Episode II disappointed... what rating is this supposed to be?

It cost 250 mil to make. I guarantee its a pg-13.

[outsyder]

Not feeling the creature CGI in this. Their eyes and that shade of blue make them look very cartoony. Nothing revolutioanry like we were lead to believe.

I think people will unfortunately miss the point here. The idea wasn't just to include more data in character construction, but to create a system in which the right data was added, ie minute facial details, body movement, interaction with environment, etc.


Unfortunately, the showcase for this are creatures that look weird in the first place. Creatures that look as though they have come out of a CGI film. Not that this is a bad thing, but I think had the CGI been focused on human characters, people would be commending Cameron on his use of new technology.

Plus, this is a trailer, there are a lot of quick cuts in which it may be difficult to appreciate the emotional effects of what it has to offer.

Keep in mind, I'm not hailing it as truly revolutionary as I haven't seen the film, all I'm saying is don't yet condemn it.

[ElderPredator]

It cost 250 mil to make. I guarantee its a pg-13.

Which is fine. This movie should be for everyone...

[outsyder]

Which is fine. This movie should be for everyone...

Not complaining, but part of me wants to see him head back to the heavy stuff.

[miguel_montes]

Which is fine. This movie should be for everyone...

Yeah, I understand. It's my bad.... I was expecting lots of gore and violence, like Aliens...

[fooknasty]

The trailer just kept screaming "HALO" to me.

[Smarmy Douche]

Talk about underwhelming.

Now, maybe I'm just a weird-o, but the reason I love cinema, the reason I watch the cinema, that I even care, is because I love storytelling.

If I hadn't read a plot synopsis before watching that trailer, I would have absolutely no real idea what it was about. Actually, it looks pretty goofy, and the only way Cameron would have gotten me interested is by actually releasing a real trailer after all these months of hype. One with dialogue, and a plot set-up, and character introductions. This is not a trailer, this is an action montage set to dramatic music. And it does not impress me.

I hope he isn't just expecting everyone to go 'bwargh explozions!!!" and run out to the multiplex.

I expect the film to be better.

[ElderPredator]

Talk about underwhelming.

Now, maybe I'm just a weird-o, but the reason I love cinema, the reason I watch the cinema, that I even care, is because I love storytelling.

If I hadn't read a plot synopsis before watching that trailer, I would have absolutely no real idea what it was about. Actually, it looks pretty goofy, and the only way Cameron would have gotten me interested is by actually releasing a real trailer after all these months of hype. One with dialogue, and a plot set-up, and character introductions. This is not a trailer, this is an action montage set to dramatic music. And it does not impress me.

I hope he isn't just expecting everyone to go 'bwargh explozions!!!" and run out to the multiplex.

I expect the film to be better.

What you just stated above is exactly what a "teaser trailer" is. No dialogue...no set-up...just a tease.

[Bourne101]

Precisely. A teaser is meant to "tease", not to give away the entire plot. I think the less we know, the better anyway. I want to go into this film relatively blind.

[Smarmy Douche]

A teaser trailer is supposed to make you want more.

This did not.

[Bourne101]

I want more.

[Smarmy Douche]

I want more.

I think we've established that.

[The Postmaster General]

I hope he isn't just expecting everyone to go 'bwargh explozions!!!" and run out to the multiplex.


You forgot the part about it mentioning it's from the guy who made Titanic, so Cameron is covering all his bases here.

[HurricanesR1]

I'll admit, I thought it was gonna be better. Too "cartoon-like" in my opinion.

Looks more like an adventure film than an action/dramatic one.

[Smarmy Douche]

You forgot the part about it mentioning it's from the guy who made Titanic, so Cameron is covering all his bases here.

I'm not totally writing off the movie.

I am not impressed by CGI, in general. I'm not one of these people who wet themselves for every trailer and Hollywood movie that comes out. It takes more to get me excited.

Those who saw the footage in San Diego have said this trailer is crap compared to seeing it on the big screen, so I like I said, I expect the film to be better.

[someguy]

That was a weird teaser. It looked nice and everything but I really had no urge to see it or any reason to be excited afterwards. Also did anyone think the shot of Sam Worthington rolling out of that plane near the beginning in that mask looked like Zemeckis' creepy mo-cap?

[Abbie Normal]

I love trailers like this that basically only have music and action. I look forward to the full trailer. Looks awesome.

[HurricanesR1]

Ok, is this the same trailer that will be released on the previews for Inglorious Basterds or will they unveil the MAIN trailer tomorrow?

[Heisenberg]

How can anybody fault the CGI? It's mindblowing. There are alot of parts of that teaser where it look photo-realistic.

I'm officially excited about this now, the teaser was awesome.

[ElderPredator]

The scene where Sam Worthington smiles at the Navi in stasis was my favourite of the trailer.

[Cunning Visions]

If you want a good laugh, go check out the talkback section on AICN. Every stereotype about them seems to be out in full force with this one.

[fooknasty]

That was a weird teaser. It looked nice and everything but I really had no urge to see it or any reason to be excited afterwards. Also did anyone think the shot of Sam Worthington rolling out of that plane near the beginning in that mask looked like Zemeckis' creepy mo-cap?

Agreed. There was nothing in the trailer that got me excited (but I am not a big fan of huge CGI fanfare).

Most of the closeup CGI looked amazing, but the further away CGI characters were nothing special. Wasn't really looking forward to it, and can't say the trailer changed my mind.

[Reigh Kaufman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_vlzLUxvlE&feature=related

And you can take that to the bank.

Pish.

[Mr.HyDe807]

Anybody got a link for a smaller quicktime screen? The ones that are posted aren't loading for me all the way.

[Bourne101]

Anybody got a link for a smaller quicktime screen? The ones that are posted aren't loading for me all the way.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/avatar/teaserlarge.html

Seems to be working now.

[strawdog17]

Disappointed....some of the CGI looks really great...other parts...not so much.

[razgriz21]

The CGI is OK, but the score used in the trailer left me impressed.

I still think Cameron peaked at The Terminator and Aliens.

Hopefully, it looks better in 3D and has a good impact unlike most of Fox's movies these days.

[FireCaptain4]

I noticed the Worthington "mo-cap"-ish bit as well. What's up with that?

I'm a tad bit underwhelmed as well. I definately want to see it, don't get me wrong, midnight screening and everything if possible, but I didn't jizz my pants which I expected.

Like the prawns in District 9, the aliens here look far better up-close and look less impressive from a far. The amount of expression of their facial features is impressive, but it looks cartoony simply becuase the aliens are designed to look very other-worldy.

I, too, got a big of a Halo feel out of the later half of the trailer.

I'm still excited, just not as much as expected.

[Jig Saw 123]

After reviewing the trailer a second time I think the hype truly blinded me into thinking this looks outstanding. If Cameron didn't hype the hell out of this film than I wouldn't be bugged by some of the shots in the trailer which look really "CGI'SH". The scene with Sam coming out of he aircraft looks very motion-captured than when we suddenly see him as an Avatar it suddenly looks cartoony and not the best character capturing. The only thing that looked truly breathtaking to me were the landscape shots of Pandora itself along with some of the action sequences. And I agree with what some are saying I got a Halo feeling in certain scenes. Which is all the more reason why a Halo film is possible.

[FireCaptain4]

The CGI is OK, but the score used in the trailer left me impressed.

I still think Cameron peaked at The Terminator and Aliens.

To be fair, he peaked at a level that most filmmakers will never reach. However, I actually think Terminator 2 is a superior film to the original, though that's just my opinion. If Avatar is even as good as True Lies, this film will still rock.

Agreed on the score, it's fascinating work.

[FireCaptain4]

The scene with Sam coming out of he aircraft looks very animated than when we suddenly see him as an Avatar it suddenly looks cartoony and not the best character capturing. The only thing that looked truly breathtaking to me were the landscape shots of Pandora itself along with some of he action sequences.

Absolutely. The action scenes look exhilarating, but Cameron has always been great with handling action so that's no big surprise. Maybe the aliens/Worthington will look better on the big screen and in 3D? Not to mention IMAX. Sadly, what we've seen in the trailer will probably look the same on Blu-Ray, let alone DVD.

[Mr.HyDe807]

Everything up to Sam in the pod was awesome, then the CGI bits came up and.....yeah, they are a bit cartoony.

I'm definitely gonna try and check it out on opening day, but the CGI does feel a bit underwhelming.

[FLAME_ON]

I'm sold but I CANNOT see this thing being a mainstream, $600+ million box office blockbuster... It will need amazing word of mouth and some kick-ass marketing to meet the expectation that whatever Cameron makes--in a post-Titanic world--will break box office records.

[Heisenberg]

Really FLAME_ON? When the non movie goers get a load of the tv ads with the action and shit in them, they will flock like seagulls. This will easily make $500m, and I'd guess a total of $780m at the end of it's run.

I too noticed the mo-cap scene on a second viewing. The main thing that gives it away is the the poor CGI robot behind him. The Landscape shots are the most impressive things in the trailer. Along with the closeups.

[Jig Saw 123]

Absolutely. The action scenes look exhilarating, but Cameron has always been great with handling action so that's no big surprise. Maybe the aliens/Worthington will look better on the big screen and in 3D? Not to mention IMAX. Sadly, what we've seen in the trailer will probably look the same on Blu-Ray, let alone DVD.

You won't always be able to use this ploy with the film. Because I'm sure I will not be seeing this in 3D, I hate those glasses. Once you put them on of course you won't really be able to tell what's real and what's not. And if you can tell that something is cgi from a trailer I'm pretty sure it'll be much easier to recognize on a bigger screen.

[FireCaptain4]

Alright, I just watched the new Wolfman trailer and I'm having a hard time figuring out which of these films I'm more jazzed for. A little off topic for this thread, but both trailers just debuted.

Anyway, I'm hoping this opens and makes big bucks domestically. American audiences sometimes tend to stay away from stuff that breaks away from the norm though, so "sometimes you just never can tell." Thankfully there's plenty of action in the teaser to make common moviegoers say, "whoa! Shit blowing up!"

As a massive-budget original sci-fi epic, I've got Avatar's back no matter what.

[Jig Saw 123]

Really FLAME_ON? When the non movie goers get a load of the tv ads with the action and shit in them, they will flock like seagulls. This will easily make $500m, and I'd guess a total of $780m at the end of it's run.

I too noticed the mo-cap scene on a second viewing. The main thing that gives it away is the the poor CGI robot behind him. The Landscape shots are the most impressive things in the trailer. Along with the closeups.

You mean $500m domestically right? There is no way this is gonna make anything near The Dark Knight. I have it making mid to high $200m. I really don't see this catching on giving that Alvin and the Chipmunks opens the very next week. Along with The Princess and the Frog.

[FireCaptain4]

You won't always be able to use this ploy with the film. Because I'm sure I will not be seeing this in 3D, I hate those glasses. Once you put them on of course you won't really be able to tell what's real and what's not. And if you can tell that something is cgi from a trailer I'm pretty sure it'll be much easier to recognize on a bigger screen.

I always imagine when I put on 3D glasses that I'm Roddy Piper in They Live.

That's beside the point, though. The 3D probably won't be able to disguise the CGI fully and it'll still obviously stand out when people watch it at home. Cameron really hyped the technology up and I'm actually surprised that a $30 million dollar film (District 9) featured fully animated characters almost on the same level of impression as the ones here. Still, some of the CGI looks truly glorious-- especially during scenes of the environments-- and the action scenes look intense and beautiful, but it'll take more than that to blur the barrier between what’s real and what’s not.