Nine Inch Nails - Year Zero - April 17th, 2007

[therealjohng]

Trent Reznor has announced his 5th album, Year Zero, for release on April 17th. The album comes out just under 2 years after his previous release, With Teeth. This is a record for Reznor, who usually has 5 year breaks between albums. Year Zero will also be Reznor's return to the concept album. The first single is rumoured to be called, "Survivalism". One track name is already confirmed: "The Beginning of the End".

Well, obviously I'm excited for this with NIN being my favorite musical artist. Not gonna lie, I'm hoping this will be great, considering With Teeth was a letdown. Reznor has made 2 masterpieces (The Downward Spiral and The Fragile), hopefully this will join those 2 albums.

Reznor has already announced tour dates for Europe, Japan and Australia.

www.nin.com

http://yearzero.nin.com

[dman476]

I can't wait. :D

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Please, Trent, give us another The Downward Spiral / The Fragile... I need it after "The Collector" and "With Teeth"... God, I hate those songs. I like the rest of the album (although it took me a while to get into it), but those two songs suck. And hardcore.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
Please, Trent, give us another The Downward Spiral / The Fragile... I need it after "The Collector" and "With Teeth"... God, I hate those songs. I like the rest of the album (although it took me a while to get into it), but those two songs suck. And hardcore.


I took me a LONG time to get into the song, With Teeth. But now I love it. I agree about The Collector, it's the worst song he's written. I pray that I never have to hear that song live. I think this will be some of his best work.


On another subject, I can't wait to see what this guy does with his stage show. The With Teeth tour had one of the coolest stage setups I've ever seen.

[thedudeman69]

damn. I better get that. I am starting to get hooked to them..


damn you, john. :D

[dman476]

Originally posted by therealjohng
I took me a LONG time to get into the song, With Teeth. But now I love it. I agree about The Collector, it's the worst song he's written. I pray that I never have to hear that song live. I think this will be some of his best work.


On another subject, I can't wait to see what this guy does with his stage show. The With Teeth tour had one of the coolest stage setups I've ever seen.
It took me some time to get used to With Teeth as well, but I really like it now too.

The Collector isn't great, but I don't think it's that bad either.
Nothing NIN have made is bad to me. :p

But another Downward Spiral would be appreciated on this.

And damn me for never seeing an NIN show...I'm too scared. :p :D

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by dman476
And damn me for never seeing an NIN show...I'm too scared. :p :D


Why?!?! It's the coolest rock show I've ever been to. You should check out Youtube to see what you are missing.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Now that I've finally seen Mastodon live, I'm making it my mission to see a NIN show. Although I'll probably have to travel 5 or 6 hours. I think it'll be worth it, though, in the end.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
Now that I've finally seen Mastodon live, I'm making it my mission to see a NIN show. Although I'll probably have to travel 5 or 6 hours. I think it'll be worth it, though, in the end.


You better. I traveled 11 hours to see NIN twice and it was worth it both times.

[Scarfather]

ssadaB!!!!!

Let's hope he didn't rush it.

[Rated R]

In terms of quality I agree that I hope it is up to par with Downward Spiral and Fragile, but I like With Teeth a lot.

As far as sound is concerned, I just hope Reznor keeps pushing forward and discovering new avenues of creativity. I need to see them again...best live act ever.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Rated R
I need to see them again...best live act ever.


Yep. I always say, even if you don't care for his music, you should see them live. They bring the house down EVERY SINGLE TIME. C'mon, what other mainstream artist has the guts to bring a clothe down in front of the stage for 3 songs and project images on them?

[HeavyFknMetal]

Saw them twice last year (St. Louis, and Chicago) and I'll be seeing them every chance I can get this year. Unlike the majority it seems, I wasn't disappointed with With_Teeth.

That said, I cannot wait for this album. Nine Inch Nails are one of my favorite bands (right next to Tool) and anytime I hear about new shit from Reznor I become as giddy as a school girl.

[bourahioro]

The only album of NIN's I didn't like was "the Fragile"......I just didn't fucking like it;)

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by bourahioro
The only album of NIN's I didn't like was "the Fragile"......I just didn't fucking like it;)



Really?? That's too bad. One of the most diverse rock records of the 90's.

[Sigur509]

The Fragile is still the best NIN album. Somewhat Damaged and the title track kick ass.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Sigur509
The Fragile is still the best NIN album.


Well, I have to disagree with you on that, but I would place it #2. The Downward Spiral to me is his best record. I just see it as more focused than The Fragile. But I also think that The Fragile benefits from being more diverse. 2 amazing albums still. Rock fans should definately look into both.

[dman476]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Why?!?! It's the coolest rock show I've ever been to. You should check out Youtube to see what you are missing.
I think Downward Spiral is the best one as well.

And I'm not scared...I was just kidding.

Somehow though, I never got around to seeing them live. I'll try very hard to see them live with this album (when and if it comes near LA).

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by dman476
(when and if it comes near LA).


On the last tour they played about 25 shows in Southern California. I think you'll have a chance to catch them. :)

[Elgyn]

"Fragile" is their (his?) best album without a doubt.

I thought "With Teeth" was very medicore. So much so that I almost sold it. I don`t know if Trent was trying to be poppy or what.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Elgyn
[B]"Fragile" is (his?) best album without a doubt.[B]

Nine Inch Nails has only one memeber, Trent Reznor. He writes, plays all instruments, records, produces all the music himself. Then he hires musicians to play on his tour.

[therealjohng]

Confirmed track titles:

vessel
the beginning of the end
god given




This record is getting more interesting by the day.

[therealjohng]

TOUR STARTED LAST NIGHT MOFOS!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_11_07.jpg

[dman476]

Originally posted by therealjohng
On the last tour they played about 25 shows in Southern California. I think you'll have a chance to catch them. :)
Dude, thanks. That's pretty cool...if that is the case this time, I will be more than happy to drag a friend with me. :D

[therealjohng]

Rumored tracklisting:

1. hyperpower!
2. the beginning of the end
3. survivalism
4. the good soldier
5. vessel
6. me, i'm not
7. capital g
8. my violent heart
9. the warning
10. god given
11. meet your master
12. the greater good
13. the great destroyer
14. another version of the truth
15. in this twilight
16. zero-sum



And yes, the first track is supposed to be like that.

[thirdeye]

Originally posted by therealjohng
TOUR STARTED LAST NIGHT MOFOS!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_11_07.jpg
And I was there. Amazing show.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by thirdeye
And I was there. Amazing show.


Cool beans. How was LAST you lucky bastard?



I've heard bootlegs and it sounds just brutal live.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Nine Inch Nails has only one memeber, Trent Reznor. He writes, plays all instruments, records, produces all the music himself. Then he hires musicians to play on his tour.


......yeah I know man, I`ve been listening to NIN since "Pretty hate Machine"..........I`m just never sure if you`re supposed to refer to NIN as "them" or "him"....since yes it`s just one guy.....BUT 'Nine Inch Nails' is not the name of a person. See what I mean?:D

I have the same problem with Marilyn Manson.......since MM is the name of the guy AND the name of the band......so when discussing MM, do you say "him" or "them"?

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Elgyn
......yeah I know man, I`ve been listening to NIN since "Pretty hate Machine"..........I`m just never sure if you`re supposed to refer to NIN as "them" or "him"....since yes it`s just one guy.....BUT 'Nine Inch Nails' is not the name of a person. See what I mean?:D

I have the same problem with Marilyn Manson.......since MM is the name of the guy AND the name of the band......so when discussing MM, do you say "him" or "them"?


I actually refer to NIN as "him" when it comes to albums and "them" when I am talking about the live shows.

[RandalGraves]

I'll be picking this up!:cool:

[therealjohng]

Rumor has it, this is the first release in a two disc series. I've said it before and I'll say it again, this whole concept thing he has planned out is getting more interesting by the day.

[sarah1980]

Originally posted by dman476
I can't wait. :D

[therealjohng]

My Violent Heart has leaked and you can find links here. It is bad fucking ass, holy shit. (http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=20319&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

[one_crow_sorrow]

I'm not as big of a fan of NIN as I used to be, but the little mini-sites dealing with the concept of the album that have popped up have gotten me interested in it.

[one_crow_sorrow]

Plus My Violent Heart rules. Looks like I'll be picking this one up.

[Sigur509]

Did they take it down? None of those links work for me.


Dammit. Im getting real excited for this.

[HeavyFknMetal]

therealjohng, do you have the song, because all the links seem to be dead.

[HeavyFknMetal]

Found it, nvm

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
therealjohng, do you have the song, because all the links seem to be dead.


Sigur or Heavy, you guys on AIM? I can send you a link through AIM.


therealjohn01, if ya do.

[therealjohng]

Sent both you PMs. Let me know what you guys think. I think it's one of his most interesting songs he's done.

[HeavyFknMetal]

The song is fucking awesome. I cannot wait for this album, my most anticipated of the year. Definitely far more industrial than the last album, which I'm very happy about.

[Sigur509]

Really not what I expected. Its better. Wow.


Damn.

I love it.

[therealjohng]

I love the fact that the song is kind of out there for NIN, but at the same time, I can see Trent doing something like this. Plus, it's completely addicting. I've listened to this song countless times today.

[Quigles]

Fuckin' awesome song.

Here's a WORKING LINK:
http://www.totallywaycool.com/nin/nine_inch_nails_my_violent_heart.mp3

(If the link stops working by the time you click it, let me know.)

[Superplasmatron]

sounds like prince was turned into a japanese robot and it really upset him so he wrote asong about it, but he kept feeling the anger rise up inside him and his bottom exploaded, either that or some old guy tryed to program his old casio to sound like early depeche mode and it kept fucking up and he got mad! Its hardly march of the pigs or closer

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
sounds like prince was turned into a japanese robot and it really upset him so he wrote asong about it, but he kept feeling the anger rise up inside him and his bottom exploaded, either that or some old guy tryed to program his old casio to sound like early depeche mode and it kept fucking up and he got mad! Its hardly march of the pigs or closer

But did you like it? :p

I just gave it a spin. And you're right...it's no Closer and it's no March Of The Pigs. For some reason Nine Inch Nails music now warrants no more than a shrug from me. It used to sound exciting. Now it sounds like it's trying to sound exciting. And when you have to try to sound exciting there's something wrong. None of their albums since The Downward Spiral have done anything for me. Perhaps it was just too high a benchmark.

[Superplasmatron]

Well part of me thinks that Trent Reznor has had his cake eaten it and then opened a bakery and is giving out buns to anyone with a greed for black ticky buns, Since he let Manson into the world hes had to settle for being the pepsi of industrail goth pomp, It nolonger sounds angry or angergetic it sounds like his keyboard has wind, BLESS

[Tyler_Durden_208]

For some reason, "My Violent Heart" reminds me a lot of Gabriel Mann's "My Little Box". But then the chorus and the synth solo kicked that thought from my head. Sounds damn good. It grows on me a little more with every listen, but I liked it to begin with, unlike the first time I heard "The Hand That Feeds", which I love now.

[therealjohng]

While it's obvious he will never get close to the brilliance of The Downward Spiral or The Fragile, this is miles ahead of anything off of With Teeth and for that I am happy. This song actually sounds like a demo for a song cut from Pretty Hate Machine if anything.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by therealjohng
While it's obvious he will never get close to the brilliance of The Downward Spiral or The Fragile, this is miles ahead of anything off of With Teeth and for that I am happy. This song actually sounds like a demo for a song cut from Pretty Hate Machine if anything.

I'd still rather listen to pretty hate machine

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by therealjohng
While it's obvious he will never get close to the brilliance of The Downward Spiral or The Fragile, this is miles ahead of anything off of With Teeth and for that I am happy. This song actually sounds like a demo for a song cut from Pretty Hate Machine if anything.
And that's a damn good thing, being that Pretty Hate Machine is my third favorite NIN album. Of course, as I've stated before, he's never released a bad album, so that's not saying much.

[therealjohng]

The more I think about With Teeth, the more boring I find it. Sorry, it had to be said. I don't even listen to it anymore. Pretty Hate Machine rules though. Broken still gets played a lot. That EP releases a lot of tension and anger.

I actually wanted Trent to hang it up after With Teeth, but after hearing what he's got cooking up, I take that back. It sounds like he might be hitting another cliff in his musical career. I think given the fact that it's a full on concept album really helps. He does that shit really well. The last time he did a 100% concept album, it was a masterpiece.

The one thing I will continually praise NIN for are the live shows. There is no rock band out there that performs with the intensity or audacity that they do.

[Elgyn]

Originally posted by therealjohng
The more I think about With Teeth, the more boring I find it. Sorry, it had to be said. I don't even listen to it anymore. Pretty Hate Machine rules though.


Ditto.

"Pretty Hate Machine" = classic.
"Broken" = awesome
"Downward Spiral"=very good with some classic songs, but overall I think it`s a little overrated and it gets stale if you listen to it too much.
"The Fragile"=absolutley brilliant, definetly my favorite NIN album and a huge improvement over "DS" for me.
"With Teeth"=NIN-by-numbers. BOR-ING.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Elgyn
"Pretty Hate Machine" = classic.
"Broken" = awesome
"Downward Spiral"=very good with some classic songs, but overall I think it`s a little overrated and it gets stale if you listen to it too much.
"The Fragile"=absolutley brilliant, definetly my favorite NIN album and a huge improvement over "DS" for me.
"With Teeth"=NIN-by-numbers. BOR-ING.


Pretty Hate Machine - Landmark industrial album
Broken - amazing industrial EP
The Downward Spiral - Masterpiece industrial
The Fragile - amazing rock album
With Teeth - I agree, by the numbers

[Superplasmatron]

I think that they are at best fun, when i was at colledge all the sad goth kids used to listen to them and wear big boots and torn nin tshirts and have bits of there hair missing, we called them ninjas, they turned into manson fans and now i guess they are now emos, nin are overated and there are so many more importnat bands who are not just a comercial load of shit, nin are about as industrial as ashly simpson, try instead nurse with wound, throbbing gristle, Einstürzende Neubauten, whitehouse, caberet voltaire, jesus indusrial masterpeice, pop rock morelike!

[therealjohng]

Saying they are overrated is a slight error in my opinion. Nine Inch Nails is the most important industrial band that will probably ever exist. They took a genre that no one thought could be commercialized and he commercialized it. He was thrust to the front of the industrial movement in the late 80's with one album. Bringing much attention to that genre of music. What he got instead was hatred from all the other industrial bands. They were probably pissed off because they worked for years trying to make it big and someone came around and did it in two. Although they claim industrial was for a certain crowd and not meant to go mainstream. But they(Ministry and Skinny Puppy and the likes) also saw record sales rise and they became more popular within mainstream music. While bands like Ministry and Skinny Puppy came before NIN, their careers wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for NIN. Not to mention NIN, somewhat helped by The Smashing Pumpkins, pretty much carried the rock flag in mainstream music from 94-00.

Just my opinion.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Saying they are overrated is a slight error in my opinion. Nine Inch Nails is the most important industrial band that will probably ever exist. They took a genre that no one thought could be commercialized and he commercialized it. He was thrust to the front of the industrial movement in the late 80's with one album. Bringing much attention to that genre of music. What he got instead was hatred from all the other industrial bands. They were probably pissed off because they worked for years trying to make it big and someone came around and did it in two. Although they claim industrial was for a certain crowd and not meant to go mainstream. But they(Ministry and Skinny Puppy and the likes) also saw record sales rise and they became more popular within mainstream music. While bands like Ministry and Skinny Puppy came before NIN, their careers wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for NIN. Not to mention NIN, somewhat helped by The Smashing Pumpkins, pretty much carried the rock flag in mainstream music from 94-00.

Just my opinion.

No actually depeche mode did, nin paved the way for glam rock revialist manson, the most important industrial group ever was throbbing gristle, trent resnor just used dirty keyboards and waering stalking on his arms to sell his shallow pop drivel, your confusing industrail with starbucks

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
No actually depeche mode did, nin paved the way for glam rock revialist manson, the most important industrial group ever was throbbing gristle, trent resnor just used dirty keyboards and waering stalking on his arms to sell his shallow pop drivel, your confusing industrail with starbucks


Wait. Depeche Mode did what?

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Wait. Depeche Mode did what?

He's saying that Depeche Mode paved the way for the mainstream acceptance and success of many industrial bands.

[Superplasmatron]

oh i thought you's given up, depeche mode made industrial music poular in the early 80's but I do not think this makes them the greatest industrail band in history. Industrial was a movement hat existed in amounst fetishist and wierdos, it wasnever ment to fill stadiums it was ment to challenge people and push the posibilties of music, if one looks at he work of Genesis P-Orridge who was an inovator and has allways moved fawards, you wil find many a master piece, I am not say that DEpeche mode were even industrial, just a bunch of laether clad pipe bangers from essex, but saying that nin or for that matter ministry are industrail is like saying blink 182 are punk or that ub40 are dub.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Psychocandy
He's saying that Depeche Mode paved the way for the mainstream acceptance and success of many industrial bands.


Eh, I can kind a see his point. But they were more of a European pop group. NIN was the first industrial band to break free and gain notoriety in mainstream, which brought a lot of attention of the genre. I'm not denying DM influence on industrial bands, hell Reznor admits his love for DM.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Eh, I can kind a see his point. But they were more of a European pop group. NIN was the first industrial band to break free and gain notoriety in mainstream, which brought a lot of attention of the genre. I'm not denying DM influence on industrial bands, hell Reznor admits his love for DM.

Um did you read my previous rant! alan moulder(of depeche) produced nin and manson and corgan, even the killers, depeche mode, i'm well aware of this but my point is that depeche mode never cared that they would be pecieved as a pop band, its like guns and roses pretending they were metal, when they were not, I don't rteally think that nin really are very indutrail, its all surface and polish, nin are pop, they nver pushed the boundrys, ministry are pop as are skinny puppy, mason would conquer hes happy being a pop icon, why aint trent?

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
Um did you read my previous rant! alan moulder(of depeche) produced nin and manson and corgan, even the killers, depeche mode, i'm well aware of this but my point is that depeche mode never cared that they would be pecieved as a pop band, its like guns and roses pretending they were metal, when they were not, I don't rteally think that nin really are very indutrail, its all surface and polish, nin are pop, they nver pushed the boundrys, ministry are pop as are skinny puppy, mason would conquer hes happy being a pop icon, why aint trent?

But doesn't this kinda depend on how narrow your definition of industrial is? I'm no expert on this particular genre but it seems that you're letting your dislike of mainstream sensibilities get in the way of which particular genre a band should be filed against. I wouldn't really call NIN pop though. Whether or not their music is polished or not (and I do think it is) it's too abrasive to be labelled pop. Just try playing something like March Of The Pigs to your average Robbie Williams fan at a high volume and get ready laugh as they shit themselves on the spot. I do agree though that there are defnitely bands out there that are so extreme that mainstream acceptance couldn't possibly have ever been on their minds when they were in the recording studio. I don't think that Trent Reznor is that kind of animal. I think deep down he craves mainstream success. I just don't think there's anything inherently wrong with that.

[Superplasmatron]

define pop, i think closer is a great pop tune, really pretty song it is too, i think haed like a hole is a great pop song, they have both as has march of the pigs been played on the radio, march of pigs is no more extreame than bullit with butterfly wings, which was a big radio hit, kids are into m n mwho is about as wierd as reznor, I think your being diplomatic and I guess you have a point, but if you were a punk fan would you be happy with green day saying they are punk, I am very hurt that people often attribute the creation of emo on ian makaye,



I am much happier to say Steve Albini is much more industrail than nin so were even slint,

I just hope for people on here to investigate throbbing gristle or even big black or rapeman albums, I know i'm being agressive and demonstrative, but i'm messing about, I just like a debate innit!

[Psychocandy]

I've got Big Black's Songs About Fucking album. Good it is too. Keep meaning to check out some more of their stuff.

Albini is an interesting guy to be sure. He just got done producing the new Stooges album. I've heard that it's really bad but i'm hoping that's bullshit as they were responsible for three of my favorite albums of all time.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
but saying that nin or for that matter ministry are industrail is like saying blink 182 are punk or that ub40 are dub.


Oh come on, they were industrial. Maybe they weren't what people considered true industrial acts like Throbbing Gristle, but they were always, and still to this day, grouped with TG and other industrial groups. Nine Inch Nails and Ministry are more of the rock side, but their industrial origins are still there. How come music critics, fans of the genre and fans of both bands always group them in the industrial genre?

[Superplasmatron]

albini will do anything for a one off fee, hes even recorded to albums with my friend die die die,

I think that as far as i'm concerned nin are not extreme enought to be called industrail, and though its clear they were influnced I don't think they are industrail,

Rape man are a rock band as are big black and shelec, but i concider them to be working along much more industrial lines, other great american industrail bands were scratch acid and early jesus lizard,

sorry i'm maybe being a meany, and i'm only really scratching the serfice because I've barely talked about the german origins of the movement as industrail routes came from krautrock bands such as faust and popul vuh and tangerine dream, even works by dada and art brut artists has an effect, even the work of harry parch

[therealjohng]

Ok, so, would I be contradicting myself if I were to say that NIN is no longer industrial, yet still maintaining that they were industrial? Because Roy, while I still respect your opinion, I will always believe that NIN at least was industrial. But I will say that NIN has left the industrial genre and gone on to more different ones. They are more of a rock act now a days. But I will continue to say that they are the most important band to come out of the industrial movement, because I believe that. I will however, look into the bands that you brought up, because I am constantly looking for different bands to listen to.

[Superplasmatron]

To be fair genres as silly anyway and I was just up for having an intersting debate, I like extreams and am constantly looking for music that is chalenging and odd, i'm not as much of a snob as i apear and have records by madonna and duran duran and prince and as I have sudjested there are nin songs i like, I'm just trying to get a wider spectrum of bands talked about and I guess I have but seriously youtube throbbing gristle, they were nuts, I would however like to say I do hate new order and think they basically pissed on ian curtis grave.

[HeavyFknMetal]

I always considered NIN to be Industrial Lite.

Oh, and Skinny Puppy > Throbbing Gristle. Actually, I've never really liked Throbbing Gristle.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
I always considered NIN to be Industrial Lite.

Oh, and Skinny Puppy > Throbbing Gristle. Actually, I've never really liked Throbbing Gristle.

industrail lite, thats funny,

well i'd hardly say i like throbbing gristle they are not a very likable band, i am a huge fan and think that very friendly is a master piece, but if you want to go on thinking that skinny puppy are better then fair enough, but to say skinny puppy is better than throbbing gristle to me is like saying eli roth is better than Alejandro Jodorowsky or tarantino is better than Seijun Suzuki, but oh well,

[Lady Stardust]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Sent both you PMs. Let me know what you guys think. I think it's one of his most interesting songs he's done.

I want to hear it also.

[HeavyFknMetal]

See, just because Throbbing Gristle we're pioneers of industrial music that doesn't make them better, at least not in my opinion. Psychic TV was a much better improvement, IMO, than Throbbing Gristle.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
See, just because Throbbing Gristle we're pioneers of industrial music that doesn't make them better, at least not in my opinion. Psychic TV was a much better improvement, IMO, than Throbbing Gristle. I did not say that, and yeah the guy has improved and allways kept moving, but seriously, skinny puppy?

[HeavyFknMetal]

Yes, I love Skinny Puppy.

Should I of said Front Line Assembly instead?

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by vampirefan1
I want to hear it also.


I sent you a pm.



I never could get into FLA or TG. I think they are a little too transgressive for me. I still appreciate what they were doing though.

[therealjohng]

Survivalism debuted on KROQ today and has already been recorded for sharing. The quality isn't great, but it's not bad either. Click me (http://www.echoingthesound.org/phpbbx/viewtopic.php?t=20399)

Warning. This song is definately not something he has done in the past. It's kinda punkish in a way. You will either love it or hate it. It's still growing on me.

[Rated R]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
See, just because Throbbing Gristle we're pioneers of industrial music that doesn't make them better, at least not in my opinion. Psychic TV was a much better improvement, IMO, than Throbbing Gristle.


I agree with this statement. Being a pioneer and opening doors for other acts in the genre does not give you carte blanche from criticism. The example I always use is the Sex Pistols and punk. I think they were talentless without any redeeming factor in their music, but along with the Ramones and The Clash they helped make punk mainstream. I'm not an expert by any means, but the Sex Pistols were garbage...off topic I know, I'm just not as knowledgeable in the industrial world.

NIN on the other hand I do enjoy...best live show I've ever seen. I still haven't heard the new track and I do not intend to until the album comes out, but seeing how many of you say it is leaps and bounds better than With Teeth, I am more stoked than ever.

[therealjohng]

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[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Rated R
I agree with this statement. Being a pioneer and opening doors for other acts in the genre does not give you carte blanche from criticism. The example I always use is the Sex Pistols and punk. I think they were talentless without any redeeming factor in their music, but along with the Ramones and The Clash they helped make punk mainstream. I'm not an expert by any means, but the Sex Pistols were garbage...off topic I know, I'm just not as knowledgeable in the industrial world.

NIN on the other hand I do enjoy...best live show I've ever seen. I still haven't heard the new track and I do not intend to until the album comes out, but seeing how many of you say it is leaps and bounds better than With Teeth, I am more stoked than ever.


I never sudjested they were its actually a case of heavyfnkmetal juming in on a discusion I was having with the realjohng and misinterprating a response I gave to him in relation to a point he made about nin being the first band to open the doors for industrail music, I have no problem with people crisitising bands, I clearly have invested more time in music than the others here and that includes listening to alot of nin and seeing them live, which was fun though the support band sucked, marolyn someone or other, what ever happened to him, but yeah all I ment was that skinny puppy in my opinion, I stress my opinion are not slighty comparable to throbbing gristle as I belive them to be very poor, on the otherhand ministry who were also mentioned I think were killer sweet and used to love, but anyway poo oants to the lot of yers, I dress like an old man and listen mainly to prog and folk nowadays, but still like bands such as mastadon and lightening bolt, I'm old your not well done, blah blah blah

[Superplasmatron]

oh and I also agree that the sex pistols were crap, I much prefere the stooges, television, blondie, the modern lovers, richard hell and the ramones, but I'm not abig fan on post elp english music(because I'm a cunt)

[Mentiroso]

Im liking the two songs leaked so far. Really makes me more excited about this cd.

[therealjohng]

Trent recently had this to say about the album:


"This record began as an experiment with noise on a laptop in a bus on tour somewhere. That sound led to a daydream about the end of the world. That daydream stuck with me and over time revealed itself to be much more. I believe sometimes you have a choice in what inspiration you choose to follow and other times you really don't. This record is the latter. Once I tuned into it, everything fell into place... as if it were meant to be. With a framework established, the songs were very easy to write. Things started happening in my "real" life that blurred the lines of what was fiction and what wasn't. The record turned out to be more than a just a record in scale, as you will see over time.

Part one is year zero. Concept record. Sixteen tracks. All written and performed by me, produced / programmed by me and Atticus Ross, mixed by Alan Moulder, mastered by Brian "Big Bass" Gardner. Release date: April 17, 2007.

What's it about? Well, it takes place about fifteen years in the future. Things are not good. If you imagine a world where greed and power continue to run their likely course, you'll have an idea of the backdrop. The world has reached the breaking point - politically, spiritually and ecologically. Written from various perspectives of people in this world, "year zero" examines various viewpoints set against an impending moment of truth. How does it sound? You will hear for yourself soon enough, but given the point of this document is to provide information...

This record is much more of a "sound collage" than recent efforts from me.

A lot of it was improvised.

It is very tedious describing your own music.

It's not just music.

It's probably too long, but it felt like the right thing to do to paint the complete picture.

It will sound different after a few listens.

You can think about it and it will reveal more than you were expecting.

You can dance to a lot of it.

You can fuck to a lot of it (maybe all of it depending on what you're into). "

[HeavyFknMetal]

Fucking awesome.

[therealjohng]

Survivalism - better quality (http://www.symphonyofnoise.com/nails/YearZeroRelated/Survivalism.SoN.Fix.mp3 )

[Mentiroso]

Excellent find! Much better quality. Makes my balls tingly!

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Shit. Links not working for me.

[Sigur509]

This album is going to KICK ASS!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Sigur509
This album is going to KICK ASS!


God, I fucking hope so.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Damn awesome song that is (an extra special thanks for the link). I think this album may have what I thought was missing from With Teeth: diversity. Not "slow song", "heavy song", etc., but well-written and quite awesome songs that change the pace every now and then.

[therealjohng]

Beside You In Time is one of the best songs he's done, but other than that, With Teeth is just pedestrian and kinda not good considering his other works.


And if any of you are looking for a different kind of NIN, find his Still album. Amazing stuff. Trent with violins, pianos and acoustic guitars. Chilling stuff.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Yeah, I was one of the people lucky enough to grab the deluxe edition of And All That Could Have Been while it was still in stores so I got it. Really awesome stuff.
And apparently my local CD store is getting the new DVD early, so I'll be getting it Tuesday...

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
And apparently my local CD store is getting the new DVD early, so I'll be getting it Tuesday...


Lucky bastard you....

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Lucky bastard you....
Yup. I get to see all the muscled bad-ass tambourine playing I can handle for a full week before (most) everyone else :p
I'll let you know how it is if I get a chance.
Also cool to know that I've started hearing "Survivalism" on the radio. Heard it today sandwiched between Faith No More's "Epic" and Alice in Chain's "No Excuses". Damn, that was a tasty combo. It also came with a side of System of a Down's "Hypnotize".

[therealjohng]

Me, I'm Not from the new album has leaked. It's a slower song that reminds me of Even Deeper. If you want a link, pm me.

[jmcman]

I have always been a huge fan of nine inch nails. The songs that have been leaked so far have me really excited. The mail reason for my post however is the whole idea of the "concept album."

This isn't really a concept "album" anymore. Trent has stated

"This record began as an experiment with noise on a laptop in a bus on tour somewhere. That sound led to a daydream about the end of the world. That daydream stuck with me and over time revealed itself to be much more. I believe sometimes you have a choice in what inspiration you choose to follow and other times you really don't. This record is the latter. Once I tuned into it, everything fell into place... as if it were meant to be. With a framework established, the songs were very easy to write. Things started happening in my "real" life that blurred the lines of what was fiction and what wasn't. The record turned out to be more than a just a record in scale, as you will see over time.

Part one is year zero. Concept record. Sixteen tracks. All written and performed by me, produced / programmed by me and Atticus Ross, mixed by Alan Moulder, mastered by Brian "Big Bass" Gardner. Release date: April 17, 2007.

What's it about? Well, it takes place about fifteen years in the future. Things are not good. If you imagine a world where greed and power continue to run their likely course, you'll have an idea of the backdrop. The world has reached the breaking point - politically, spiritually and ecologically. Written from various perspectives of people in this world, "year zero" examines various viewpoints set against an impending moment of truth. How does it sound? You will hear for yourself soon enough, but given the point of this document is to provide information...
(thanks to therealjohng)

but Trent has also started making websites, releasing sound files, basically making an entire world set 15 years in the future. There is a site that has uploaded a lot the info that has been released latey.

http://www.ninwiki.com/Main_Page

this isnt my site, just thought some nin fans might enjoy seeing it

[therealjohng]

Do you post on ETS?

[jmcman]

honestly, ive just kinda stumbled onto all this stuff within about the last week. kinda lame that i found it at the nin myspace page, Saw someone who was talking about the presence followed the link in their comment and ...... tumbled down the rabbit hole.
just found ets two day ago. basically trying to play catch up. havent posted anything just doing a lot of reading

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by jmcman
honestly, ive just kinda stumbled onto all this stuff within about the last week. kinda lame that i found it at the nin myspace page, Saw someone who was talking about the presence followed the link in their comment and ...... tumbled down the rabbit hole.
just found ets two day ago. basically trying to play catch up. havent posted anything just doing a lot of reading


From one NIN fan to another, ETS is the place to go for everything NIN.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by jmcman
http://www.ninwiki.com/Main_Page



I'd just like to re-emphasize this website that jmcman pointed out. There's a whole concept behind the album and there's websites, soundclips, message boards and bunch of stuff that set's up the album's setting. Very cool stuff.

Has any other musical artist done a viral campaign like this to set up an album?

[Mentiroso]

He is going to owe Henry WInkler some royalties after this song hits.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
He is going to owe Henry WInkler some royalties after this song hits.


So true.

[franky4fingerz]

I cant wait for this! "with teeth" was amazing to me. minus "the collector', but "sunsports" made it the best cd of 2005. I've seen nin twice in concert and each time they have been great (minus the freaks of course). I'm sure this one will not disapoint.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by franky4fingerz
minus the freaks of course


Ahh, they're not so bad.




(No I'm not one of them)

[franky4fingerz]

I dont know man, I sure didnt feel to comfrontable around the dude with a cape on and what looked like vampire teeth. I truly dont consider nin as gothic at all. they are just really intence and depressing. "hurt"= most depressing song ever(but one of the best songs ever as well).

[therealjohng]

Goddamn, that song is depressing isn't it?

[franky4fingerz]

Its on a depressing level of its own. really soft until the last verse where the guitars rip open your ears. Johnny cash did a badass cover of it as well.

[therealjohng]

There is a great teaser video here (http://yearzero.nin.com/) if any of you are interested. Don't have your volume too high, but don't low either. Trust me, this video is whacked.

[therealjohng]

Have fun bitches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4JivMaovX8)

[jmcman]

Album art release today too.

http://yearzero.nin.com/0024/

[Sigur509]

The best NIN art.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by jmcman
Album art release today too.

http://yearzero.nin.com/0024/


I've seen your avatar somewhere before. And I can't place it. Something to do with NIN though.....

[jmcman]

It's the resistance flag in year zero.

http://www.nin.com/current/photos/2_21_07.html

look at Trent's right sholder

[therealjohng]

That's what I thought it was.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
That's what I thought it was.

And you say Im not a fan? Psssshhh even I knew what it was!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
And you say Im not a fan? Psssshhh even I knew what it was!


Go back to your mother's womb.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Go back to your mother's womb.


I would but I tore it up last night with my DICK!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
I would but I tore it up last night with my DICK!



Is that an insult on me?

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Is that an insult on me?

Yeah because you told me you had a crush on her and just to spite you, I hit it first.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Yeah because you told me you had a crush on her and just to spite you, I hit it first.


I have a crush on your sister in law not your mom.

[therealjohng]

In This Twilight leaked and you can listen to it here (http://media.putfile.com/15-In-This-Twilight)

[electriclite]

Hey, my birthday!.................and Maynard's

[Mentiroso]

Best thread ever

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Best thread ever


I've seen better.

[Mentiroso]

You are slacking. Find more leaked tracks! I need my fix man!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
You are slacking. Find more leaked tracks! I need my fix man!


I'm lookin ass. I want this shit to leak just as much as you.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
I'm lookin ass. I want this shit to leak just as much as you.


Insulting members is against the rules!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Insulting members is against the rules!


You're one to know I guess. How many times have you been warned on that?

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
You're one to know I guess. How many times have you been warned on that?


Never. I am the most awesome poster here. I might bend rules but I never break them. I will break your spine by ramming my fist through your stomach though!!!!!

[therealjohng]

Survivalism live (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7eA5Cm3pI)

[Mentiroso]

That'll do pig, that'll do.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
That'll do pig, that'll do.


It would've been a lot funnier had you said, "That'll do piggy, pig, pig, pig. That'll do."

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
It would've been a lot funnier had you said, "That'll do piggy, pig, pig, pig. That'll do."


James Cromwell thought so too but Trent threatened to sue so they had to take it out of the movie.

[therealjohng]

Someone should make a video with clips of Babe set to the song March of the Pigs and put it on Youtube.

[BadCoverVersion]

Well here's a rather random little story.

I returned to work yesterday after a couple of weeks holiday and asked if anything interesting had happened whilst I'd been away. So the grimmest story of a lady throwing herself from the multi storey car park begins and ends (nice!) and then my co-worker pipes up "oh and Trent Reznor bought an Apple Mac from the Apple store" (situated just above the store I manage)...I was all like woah, Johng would shit!

Anyhoo, my co-workers boyfriend works for another local Apple store and this has been the talk of Apple stores across the Northwest for all of a week now. Apparantly he was a good guy, chatty...and gave a lot of the kids working there tickets to his show that evening.

Anyway, random story over.

[someguy]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Best thread for trying to pump your stomach without medicine

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by BadCoverVersion
Apparantly he was chatty


Wow, really? He must've started taking happy pills.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by someguy


Yeah, you showing you have no taste doesnt impress me.

[someguy]

Oh no it's not towards Reznor he's fine, it's towards the 'banter'

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Yeah, you showing you have no taste doesnt impress me.

someguy is my idol, my teen idol


god is dead la de dar


I'm of to watch doom genaration and take specail k woo i'm so 90's

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Wow, really? He must've started taking happy pills.

hes been through therapy and rehab?

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
hes been through therapy and rehab?


I have no fucking idea.

[jmcman]

Another song leaked. It's not the best quality. The Begining of the End was played on radio,

Found new site with all mp3's and website links.

http://www.symphonyofnoise.com/nails/yearzero/

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by someguy
Oh no it's not towards Reznor he's fine, it's towards the 'banter'



You seem to enjoy adding to the banter since you only seem to have smart ass comments to add.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by jmcman
Another song leaked. It's not the best quality. The Begining of the End was played on radio,

Found new site with all mp3's and website links.

http://www.symphonyofnoise.com/nails/yearzero/



I was gonna add that. But didn't because of the very poor quality. But it's cool. I'm not even going to decide on how good the song is until I hear a cd quality rip.

[OpT!Mu5]

I am SOOOOO fucking tired of hearing people say, "Trent needs to get back on heroin so he can make good music again," and "With Teeth sucked, so Year Zero is gonna suck."

Fuck you, bitches.

Trent Reznor is a musical genius. Yes, With Teeth didn't have the meaning and substance behind it like The Downward Spiral, and yes, it is probably NIN's worst effort, but it's still a good album. How on Earth can you possibly NOT be excited for Year Zero!? Just look at what Trent has done with the whole marketing (http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/02/22/year-zero-project-way-cooler-than-lost/) of the album...it's amazing. And at the rate that he is leaking tracks, we'll have the whole fucking thing in no time! ;)

Watching the Beside You In Time DVD only gets me more amped, brings back good memories of when I saw them on their last summer tour.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that from what I've seen and heard of Year Zero so far, it will be an excellent album. Trent's vocals seem MUCH improved, especially on In This Twilight, and the production values are top-notch. Trent has said that he is much more confident with this album than he was with With Teeth, just because he was more experimental and trying to see if he still had it...and based on the Year Zero leaked tracks, the answer is FUCK YES HE DOES!!!

[Sigur509]

I did not think I could be more pumped for this album, then Friday I bought Beside you in Time.

MOTHERFUCKER I LOVE TRENT.


TO add to the randomness, I have a poster of Trent in my room. It doesn't make me gay, it makes me awesome.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
You seem to enjoy adding to the banter since you only seem to have smart ass comments to add.

At least hes not an abbusive underhand nasty person. Skating around the rules so you can't be banned, stop it please I'm sure your probably a really nice person, but your not really selling yourself too well (am I the pot or the kettle here?)

[therealjohng]

I actually think Trent's vocals have deteriorated since The Fragile era considerably. His yell/scream is nowhere near as powerful as it once was.

I guess I'm the only one who was disappointed with the Beside You In Time DVD. Although it is hard to upstage And All That Could Have Been, but still. That DVD is a letdown.

And calling what Trent is doing for Year Zero, marketing is wrong. He stated that it is not marketing. It's more of exposition.


Only a month and a half til the official release date, but it should be online soon enough. I can't wait to hear the leaked tracks in context with the rest of the record. And that fact that this is part one of two makes me even more excited.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
At least hes not an abbusive underhand nasty person. Skating around the rules so you can't be banned, stop it please I'm sure your probably a really nice person, but your not really selling yourself too well (am I the pot or the kettle here?)


How am I "underhand nasty person"? If you plan on insulting me, at least provide evidence. So far you go out of your way to insult members, their threads, and basically troll in those threads. I do not skate around the rules, I follow them. Something you have not done since you joined. So if you have nothing better to do that try and flame/troll members, I wont have to worry about you long because you wont be around much longer.


By the way, NIN PWNS YOU SON!

[OpT!Mu5]

I actually think Trent's vocals have deteriorated since The Fragile era considerably. His yell/scream is nowhere near as powerful as it once was.

Being able to sing is different than yelling/screaming...

And calling what Trent is doing for Year Zero, marketing is wrong. He stated that it is not marketing. It's more of exposition.

Be that as it may, it's still marketing. ;)

That DVD is a letdown.

Wow...I was thinking completely the opposite. Yeah, And All That Could Have Been was great, but c'mon, a letdown?!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Being able to sing is different than yelling/screaming...



Be that as it may, it's still marketing. ;)



Wow...I was thinking completely the opposite. Yeah, And All That Could Have Been was great, but c'mon, a letdown?!


The guy can sing somewhat yes, but I miss the old transgressive Trent where he did a lot of screaming.



Fine, it's still marketing.



I saw NIN 4 times on the With Teeth tour and it was the coolest concert, visually, I had ever been to. The stage setup was great and when they brought the curtain down during the middle of the set, that was fucking genius. But this dvd doesn't capture the heart and soul of the concert. It just has the glossed over feeling of the show. AATCHB put you IN the concert. You felt like you were there. Not to mention the audio is out of this world on that DVD. BYIT feels like I'm watching it on tv, which I am. I never saw a show on The Fragility 2.0 tour, but AATCHB takes you there. I've watched that DVD like 10 or 15 times. But I feel like I've actually seen the show in person. BYIT just doesn't do that for me. My two cents.

[OpT!Mu5]

I saw NIN 4 times on the With Teeth tour and it was the coolest concert, visually, I had ever been to. The stage setup was great and when they brought the curtain down during the middle of the set, that was fucking genius. But this dvd doesn't capture the heart and soul of the concert. It just has the glossed over feeling of the show. AATCHB put you IN the concert. You felt like you were there. Not to mention the audio is out of this world on that DVD. BYIT feels like I'm watching it on tv, which I am. I never saw a show on The Fragility 2.0 tour, but AATCHB takes you there. I've watched that DVD like 10 or 15 times. But I feel like I've actually seen the show in person. BYIT just doesn't do that for me. My two cents.

I'll agree with you that AATCHB "puts you in the concert more than BYIT," and that was definetily the cool thing about that DVD, because it was filmed with hand-camcorders and such...but I am probably leaning more towards it because the only NIN show I've been to was on their summer With Teeth tour. (they didn't have the screen, but the cage/fence thing that rolled down, still fucking cool) Granted, it doesn't put you there as much, but it has a more professional feel to it, and I thought that Rob Sheridan did a great job of directing and editing it.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
I'll agree with you that AATCHB "puts you in the concert more than BYIT," and that was definetily the cool thing about that DVD, because it was filmed with hand-camcorders and such...but I am probably leaning more towards it because the only NIN show I've been to was on their summer With Teeth tour. (they didn't have the screen, but the cage/fence thing that rolled down, still fucking cool) Granted, it doesn't put you there as much, but it has a more professional feel to it, and I thought that Rob Sheridan did a great job of directing and editing it.


Rob Sheridan does great work for Trent no doubt, but I think that the fact that it is more professionally done, ruins the experience for me.

And God, I wish I could've seen them on the summer tour when they had the electrical fence thing. The videos I've seen of that are amazing.

[Psychocandy]

Message to Mentiroso & Roy L. Dennis.

Cut it out guys before someone gets banned. If there are any more explicit or even thinly veiled insults thrown about in this thread i'll close it and report the guilty party/parties to a higher authority. So behave yourselves. :)

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Psychocandy
Message to Mentiroso & Roy L. Dennis.

Cut it out guys before someone gets banned. If there are any more explicit or even thinly veiled insults thrown about in this thread i'll close it and report the guilty party/parties to a higher authority. So behave yourselves. :)

I did not I was just trying to stck up for someguy.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
How am I "underhand nasty person"? If you plan on insulting me, at least provide evidence. So far you go out of your way to insult members, their threads, and basically troll in those threads. I do not skate around the rules, I follow them. Something you have not done since you joined. So if you have nothing better to do that try and flame/troll members, I wont have to worry about you long because you wont be around much longer.


By the way, NIN PWNS YOU SON!



This here is against the rules you are insulting me! I have only one time insulted you and I was remrimanded, saying that nin pwns me, I think you ment to say owns, is tottaly against the rules, If you want to bully people and think you are better than anyone else then your being nasty.

[Psychocandy]

Thread closed (for now).

[Psychocandy]

I'm opening this up again. Try and behave folks. :)

[OpT!Mu5]

Yay, the NIN thread is back up!:D

[Tyler_Durden_208]

*in Michael Palin voice*
Praise God!

[HeavyFknMetal]

Mentiroso is just a big ole teddy bear, he wouldn't harm a fly. Unless of course that fly insults Trent Reznor.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
Mentiroso is just a big ole teddy bear, he wouldn't harm a fly. Unless of course that fly insults Trent Reznor.

I would make sweet love to the fly and then pee on it.

[Psychocandy]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
I would make sweet love to the fly and then pee on it.

http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/images2003/movie_pix_a-i/fly_df11.jpg

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Psychocandy



Maybe not that fly!

Glad NIN is back up and running, I know JohnG is!

[therealjohng]

I'm just glad this Henry Rolli- I mean Trent Reznor thread is back.

Rumor mill for you guys. Supposudly Year Zero is going to become a movie. I love NIN, but fuck that shit.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

I dunno, I could see Reznor's music very fitting for a The Wall-esque movie.

[OpT!Mu5]

"[Trent]'s admitted he's already in talks about a movie version of his upcoming album a concept piece, with part two scheduled for next year. "I'm excited by the prospect of what this has brought to me, We're really looking into things it could be." Reznor revealed."

Hmmmmm...I wouldn't quite say "Fuck that shit..." sounds kinda interesting.

Trent is slowly taking over the world...Kudos to him.

[therealjohng]

Yeah, I recant my "Fuck that shit" line from above. But I', still wary of this. Although, like Tyler said, if this was done in the vein of The Wall, it could be magic.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
I dunno, I could see Reznor's music very fitting for a The Wall-esque movie.

I can see Survivalism being played during the "Run Like Hell" scene from The Wall.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by therealjohng
I can see Survivalism being played during the "Run Like Hell" scene from The Wall.
Yup, it's time to call up an audio/video editor. I've found my true calling in life.:D

[dman476]

Ugh, where is this album already?
Can't...wait...no...more.

These prospects about a potential movie, it's driving me nuts.
April seems too far away.

(I should get that f'in dvd already)

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by dman476
Ugh, where is this album already?
Can't...wait...no...more.


No shit. This muthafucka should've leaked by now.

[OpT!Mu5]

I love when Trent says (http://youtube.com/watch?v=NQ7eA5Cm3pI)...

"You may have heard that he have a new album coming out soon...It will be coming out for real in April...but you can steal it probably in a couple weeks..."

Gotta love the man.

[jmcman]

Survivalism video released today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiE1d96oe3w

[OpT!Mu5]

Awesome post jmcman...

I like the music video as far as conception goes, but to me it wasn't all that interesting...still cool though.

[therealjohng]

Out of the 4 times I saw NIN live, Josh Freese played for them twice. I still can't believe Trent got that guy to stay on. He is such a damn good drummer.


On the video, big meh. It might grow on me.

Edit****


This video reminds me of the opening of Snatch.

And horay for boobies!

[Tyler_Durden_208]

It's at least better than The Hand That Feeds video.
And Trent kinda looks... funny... in that video. I dunno, heh, just the way he's acting. Kinda like a bobble-head.

[OpT!Mu5]

Yeah, I just wish that the video would've captured some of the raw intensity that the song displays...could've been better, could've been worse.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden_208
And Trent kinda looks... funny... in that video.


He looks like a terrorist in the video.

[HeavyFknMetal]

I've seen better, I've seen worse.

[therealjohng]

That song is really starting to grow on me. The only thing I want right now is this:


http://battellemedia.com/images/faucet_leak_redbg150.jpg

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Yeah, I'd like some water too... I mean, I'm thirsty from work all day and--
Oh, now I get what you mean.

[Hatfield]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
I've seen better, I've seen worse.

[Mentiroso]

Dont like the video. So far from the leaked songs, this is the one I like the least so I am just not a happy camper!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Dont like the video. So far from the leaked songs, this is the one I like the least so I am just not a happy camper!


You like In This Twilight more than Survivalism? Even The Beginning of the End?


Wow.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
You like In This Twilight more than Survivalism? Even The Beginning of the End?


Wow.

Dont question my judgement!

[OpT!Mu5]

Dear lord this thread is gonna get locked again...

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Dear lord this thread is gonna get locked again...


How? We're on topic. Don't hex this thread buddy. Or I will own you!


Any bets on when this thing is gonna leak?

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by therealjohng
Any bets on when this thing is gonna leak?

Put my money on April 1st. It will be like "April fools" for NIN's record company...;)

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Put my money on April 1st. It will be like "April fools" for NIN's record company...;)


Touche my friend.


I think it will leak before that, but that is a good guess.

[MickeyKnox]

Cannot wait for April 17th to come around love NIN and i like their song Survivalism, but i'll have to see how the rest is when Year Zero comes out hopefully it's better than With Teeth, which i love but could have been better.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Dear lord this thread is gonna get locked again...


You have to understand that Johng and I always bicker. It is our nature and it means we love each other. At nights we cyber on aim. So it is cool.


I am wanting to see them on tour but am too poor because of upcoming wedding. Any one want to donate tickets to a good cause?

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
I am wanting to see them on tour but am too poor because of upcoming wedding. Any one want to donate tickets to a good cause?


If you give oral on AIM later I will consider.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
If you give oral on AIM later I will consider.


I suck long and hard....too bad you dont have either of those


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


:D

[someguy]

I WAITED FOR YOU CHRISTOPHER

[Superplasmatron]

Mentiroso is latanio slang for bullshitter

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
Mentiroso is latanio slang for bullshitter



Ummm more like liar but bullshitter fits too. Thanks for letting me know what it meant though. I have been using it for about 10 years on irc and message boards. Glad someone finally brought it to my attention!

[Mentiroso]

Any new news? New leaks? New pics? I dont go to ETS so I am out of the loop man!

[jmcman]

New website from the Salt Lake City listening party

http://www.themailstrom.com

Not much, but something

[jmcman]

I guess there were three new sites.

http://operationchipsweep.net/
and
http://operationswamp0000.net/

[therealjohng]

This shit is killing me. Why hasn't this leaked yet? I had the the new LCD Soundsystem like 2 and a half months before it was released.

[therealjohng]

This was recently posted on ETS. It's a review of Year Zero:


Just got back from the SLC party, awesome. Here's my review!

Hyperpower: Intro that really outdoes pinion, hard and building, really cool.

Beginning of the end/Survivalism: Yeah, you know.

The Good Soldier: Starts off with a really cool beat, the vocals and lyrics are awesome, dancy, fun to listen to. Single material.

Vessel: Probably one of the coolest tracks on the album, very layered, pretty harsh beat. Great lyrics of what I could understand in one listen.

Me, I'm not: You know.

Capital G: Push the button! Really catchy tune, cool beat, Capital G! Loved it. Might be a disliked song by some, as it is very I don't know "upbeat" sounding for lack of a better word.

My Violent Heart: Ya know

The Warning: Cool song, one of the more average tracks on the album, but still really good. About the presence for sure. "Some say it was a warning" "It came down from the sky"

God Given: Come on sing along now! Cool song, all I can say on first listen. May be too "catchy" for some NIN listeners, but I was into it.

Meet Your Master: One of my favorites, great chorus, hard, a lot of sounds and layers. Probably my favorite vocals on the album and possibly lyrics. It's time to meet your master!

The Greater Good: A decent song between Meet Your Master and Great Destroyer, want to listen to it more for sure. Cool background noises, sort of great below style, and a small piano track.

The Great Destroyer: Starts off sounding a lot like the other songs, lots of bleeps and computer like noises. Builds in the middle to a really epic outburst from trent. Then the ending sounds like a computer freaking out.

Another Version of the Truth: Really saved the album for me, great instrumental, piano track was amazing.

In This Twilight: Ya know!

Zero-Sum: Really loved the sound to this song, the drums were loud in our venue, and most of the vocals I couldnt understand. Only thing I really picked out was "God have mercy" harder than the usual NIN ender but definitely sounded great, I want to hear more! I really got the feeling of more to come with this song, it wasnt the epic absolute closure to NIN albums, but more of an uncertain track. Will it all end, or will the world survive. I really liked it and I'm dying to know all the lyrics.

[Sigur509]

Impossible for me to get more pumped for this.

[OpT!Mu5]

Hyperpower: Intro that really outdoes pinion, hard and building, really cool.

I was hoping that this track would be like the new Pinion, something awesome to open their concerts with...no more of this "You know what you are?" opening their sets. :mad:

When I saw them last summer they opened with Somewhat Damaged, which was cool, but deep down I missed Pinion.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
no more of this "You know what you are?" opening their sets. :mad:


They actually opened with "Love is Not Enough" for the majority of dates they played in the States.

But yes, Pinion playing over the soundsystem as they come out is the coolest thing I've experienced at a concert.

[Superplasmatron]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Ummm more like liar but bullshitter fits too. Thanks for letting me know what it meant though. I have been using it for about 10 years on irc and message boards. Glad someone finally brought it to my attention!

Me vale madre

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Roy L Dennis
Me vale madre


You should.

[Mentiroso]

So far no one has got me tickets. This is just sad. For charity niggas!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
So far no one has got me tickets. This is just sad. For charity niggas!


They're in Europe right now chill the fuck out.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by therealjohng
They're in Europe right now chill the fuck out.


Cheap ass, buy me plane tickets too!

[HeavyFknMetal]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
So far no one has got me tickets. This is just sad. For charity niggas!

I gave you "Still", that should hold me over for.....the rest of your life.

[therealjohng]

What the gay, I thought I gave him Still?


Son of a bitch.

[HeavyFknMetal]

Originally posted by therealjohng
What the gay, I thought I gave him Still?


Son of a bitch.

I think we both gave him Still. I think he's using us.

[therealjohng]

Am I the only who thinks that Still is like a mini-masterpiece? I think it's a terrific and overlooked record in Trez's cannon.

[HeavyFknMetal]

No, you're not the only one. I think he needs to become depressed more so he can release more albums like Still.

Also, am I the only one that thinks we should just have a Nine Inch Nails thread stickied at the top of the page?

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by HeavyFknMetal
No, you're not the only one. I think he needs to become depressed more so he can release more albums like Still.

Also, am I the only one that thinks we should just have a Nine Inch Nails thread stickied at the top of the page?


I don't know if the guy needs to be depressed to release more material like that. Sure would help, but I think he's a talented enough guy to just make music like that.


I don't think we need it stickied. The way we're posting in this, it doesn't need to be.


Any of you schmoes who think NIN is a one trick pony, only doing rock/pop/industrial music should find his STILL record, because it is 100% COMPLETELY different than anything else he's done.

[OpT!Mu5]

For God's sake people, this thread is gonna fall off the front page...

Well, I just couldn't let that happen. Today the first official review of Year Zero is out, and MTV has a track-by-track tour through the album, which can be viewed here. (http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1554530/20070313/nine_inch_nails.jhtml)

Take from it what you will...

"It's probably the most adventurous, experimental and ballsy album released on a major label since Green Day's revelatory American Idiot, which also happens to be its closest kin, in spirit at least. Because for all its growling electronics, squelching guitars and plinking African kalimbas, Year Zero is essentially a punk-rock album, one born of the same bold attitude that drove Green Day to jettison traditional thinking while making Idiot...But that's about as far as those comparisons can go. Because there's no jaunty, nine-minute rock-opera pieces to be found on Zero, nary a ballad on par with "Wake Me Up When September Ends." Shoot, there are barely any discernable guitars. Instead, almost every sound you hear on the album has been chopped, ripped, pulled, flayed, destroyed, flattened, squeezed or smashed beneath the massive, ominous bit-mapping of Reznor and co-producer Atticus Ross. Sixty-four minutes of disorienting, pummeling Sturm und Drang roiling atop a rumbling, certifiably bone-chilling layer of white noise that recalls the wind whipping through a war zone."

[jmcman]

AT nin.com you can download garageband file of survivalism and make your own remixes ala only and the hand that feeds

looks like mac only right now

[therealjohng]

Dude, chill out. We're at 6 pages and the album isn't even out yet. Once this thing leaks and then once the album is released, it will be getting posted in constantly. Have patience my young padewan.


As for that article:

I hate all the comparisons to Green Day. I see what they are saying, but goddamn, if MTV didn't suck off GD anymore, they just went and swallowed. After reading that review, plus some fan's reviews from listening parties, I can't even wait anymore. I thought I would be fine, but I officially need a fucking leak. It's killing me. And from what it sounds like, "Vessel" is the new classic NIN song that belongs next to Closer and Head Like a Hole.

[OpT!Mu5]

Dude, chill out. We're at 6 pages and the album isn't even out yet.

I take it you don't read well into sarcasm...

But anyways, yeah, I don't like the comparison to Green Day either, especially when the author says that Year Zero is essentially a "Punk-Rock" album... I fucking hate Punk music. But I get what he's trying to say...that Year Zero and American Idiot's themes are similar and so on and so forth...

I also would love it to leak soon, just seems a little pre-mature right now. My bets are still on April 1st...;)

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
I take it you don't read well into sarcasm...

But anyways, yeah, I don't like the comparison to Green Day either, especially when the author says that Year Zero is essentially a "Punk-Rock" album... I fucking hate Punk music. But I get what he's trying to say...that Year Zero and American Idiot's themes are similar and so on and so forth...

I also would love it to leak soon, just seems a little pre-mature right now. My bets are still on April 1st...;)


Sarcasm is hard to pull off on the internet, buddy. Yeah the YZ and AI comparisons also mean that YZ will do for NIN what AI did for GD. Basically throw them into the top of the mainstream game. Personally, I don't see that happening. But you never know I guess. I don't even know if I want that. NIN is popular, but I don't want little 16 year old Paris Hilton type bitches listening to YZ. If they get the message, fine. But if they just want it because it sounds cool, then fuck them. I like the fact that NIN can go on multiple tours of the U.S., sell out tons of arenas over and over, all while getting no play on MTV or VH1.

[dman476]

Don't know if any of you saw this, so here it is:

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000O178BY.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V42519113_.jpg

01. Hyperpower!
02. The Beginning of the End
03. Survivalism
04. The Good Soldier
05. Vessel
06. Me, I'm Not
07. Capital G
08. My Violent Heart
09. The Warning
10. God Given
11. Meet Your Master
12. The Greater Good
13. The Great Destroyer
14. Another Version of the Truth
15. In This Twilight
16. Zero-Sum

P.S. I hate the Green Day comparisons too.

[Sigur509]

That album art is still the wallpaper on my desktop.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Sigur509
That album art is still the wallpaper on my desktop.


I have the kickass resistance flag as my desktop. But that album art is awesome too.

[bowieee]

Survivalism is a fucking sweet single. I haven't been excited for a NIN album since the Downward Spiral was about to come out. For the first time in over a decade I'm excited about trents upcoming work!

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by bowieee
Survivalism is a fucking sweet single. I haven't been excited for a NIN album since the Downward Spiral was about to come out. For the first time in over a decade I'm excited about trents upcoming work!


I can understand With Teeth, but you weren't excited for The Fragile?

[bowieee]

Not really. Everything I heard from it felt lacking. Like something was missing. Survivalism bypassed that and hit home right away and thats a beautiful thing.

[therealjohng]

I just listened to a near perfect quality rip of THE BEGINNING OF THE END and I would have to say that it's definately the weakest out of the 5 leaked tracks.

If I were to rank them best to worst I'd hit it like this:


1. Me, I'm Not
2. Survivalism
3. My, Violent Heart
4. In This Twilight
5. The Beginning of the End

[bowieee]

TRJ can you put Me,I'm not on Putfile or some other place where I could give it a whirl? I'm just curious as to what makes it numero uno.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by bowieee
TRJ can you put Me,I'm not on Putfile or some other place where I could give it a whirl? I'm just curious as to what makes it numero uno.


Uploading as we speak. It's a slower beat and trent is whispering more than actual singing. The whole song is kinda creepy, but the chorus is just plain creepy. Trent doing his best impersonation of The Fonz. I love it.

[bowieee]

Thanks man,

I'm looking foward to hearing it!

[therealjohng]

Hope you like (http://media.putfile.com/06-Me-Im-Not)

[bowieee]

I like.

I like alot.

I'm definetely going to snag myself a copy of this cd when it makes itself available next month.

Thanks again TRJ!

[OpT!Mu5]

Originally posted by bowieee
Not really. Everything I heard from it felt lacking. Like something was missing. Survivalism bypassed that and hit home right away and thats a beautiful thing.

Seems to me like you're into the hard/raw NIN a lot more than the softer NIN. I bet you absolutely love Broken...

[OpT!Mu5]

There is a REALLY sweet "un-official" video for IN THIS TWILIGHT on youtube...Check it! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcOiKASXyk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsymphonyofnoise%2Ecom%2Fnails%2F yearzero%2Finthistwilightfanvid%2Ehtm)

Trent even has a link for it from the Year Zero site...

[bowieee]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Seems to me like you're into the hard/raw NIN a lot more than the softer NIN. I bet you absolutely love Broken...

Like 13 years ago I used to wake up every morning and listen to it as I got ready for school. It was a staple of my early music exploring years.

[therealjohng]

Broken fucking rules.



How would you guys rank the albums along with the EP?

I think it'd go something like this for me:

1. The Downward Spiral
2. The Fragile
3. Broken
4. Pretty Hate Machine
5. With Teeth

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
There is a REALLY sweet "un-official" video for IN THIS TWILIGHT on youtube...Check it! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dcOiKASXyk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fsymphonyofnoise%2Ecom%2Fnails%2F yearzero%2Finthistwilightfanvid%2Ehtm)

Trent even has a link for it from the Year Zero site...


That video is fucking awesome.

[bowieee]

Yeah that video was really well done


1. The Downward Spiral
2. Pretty Hate Machine
3. Broken
4. Fixed
Never really got into anything after TDS

Until now.

[OpT!Mu5]

1. The Fragile
2. The Downward Spiral
3. Broken
4. With Teeth
5. Pretty Hate Machine

I pretty much love everything that NIN has done (Except for Down In It)...I have virtually all of their Halos...and yes, Broken is the shit. When I saw them last summer I was surprised and ecstatic that they played Help Me I Am In Hell. Awesome instrumental song...

[therealjohng]

Bowieee I have to admit, I'm suprised that you don't like The Fragile, considering it's Reznor's most ambitious and epic album. I thought you would've eaten that up. Oh well.


I love Help Me I Am In Hell, but Pinion is the song that gets me pumped everytime I hear it.



This is how NIN start their shows. Just brilliance.

Pinion - Woodstock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hONwjD9s3tI)

[bowieee]

That was around the time I saw them. i saw trent a few weeks after the downward spiral came out. I remember being blown away by the show.

[OpT!Mu5]

This is how NIN start their shows. Just brilliance.

Here's hoping that Hyperpower can one-up Pinion...:D

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Here's hoping that Hyperpower can one-up Pinion...:D


From what I've read, it's the new Pinion. I haven't heard it, but I'm dying to. I hear it's a mix of Pinion/Burn/Pilgrimage. So it should be interesting. I would love for Trent to keep Pinion as the intro for his shows, but I realize that one must move on in life so hyperpower! being used as an intro doesn't sound like that bad of an idea. What would be great is if he started to play ALL of Year Zero in it's entirety at shows. Sticking with the whole concept idea. I'm actually getting sick of hearing Head Like a Hole, March of the Pigs, Closer, Terrible Lie, Hurt at all the shows. I want songs like Ringfinger, Happiness in Slavery and Memorabilia being played. Memorablia, done right, would kill the crowd at shows.

[OpT!Mu5]

Memorablia, done right, would kill the crowd at shows.

Hell Yes! I love it when they play their "rarer" songs at shows...(Get Down, Make Love...Deep...Non-Entity) and would love it for them to mix it up more with songs like Metal, Memorabilia, Home, A Violet Fluid, 10 Miles High...

I want songs like Ringfinger, Happiness in Slavery and Memorabilia being played.

Swap out Ringfinger with The Only Time and I completely agree.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Hell Yes! I love it when they play their "rarer" songs at shows...(Get Down, Make Love...Deep...Non-Entity) and would love it for them to mix it up more with songs like Metal, Memorabilia, Home, A Violet Fluid, 10 Miles High...



Swap out Ringfinger with The Only Time and I completely agree.


Oh fucking right dude. The Only Time the live version during The Self Destruct Tour is fucking brutal. The only problem is he uses part of the song in the Closer breakdown live. So it might be redundant to do that song after or before Closer.


I'm not a big fan of Home, but I would love to hear A Warm Place segue into Eraser just like on the album. I have no idea why he doesn't do that. Metal, yes, that would rule. I never did get to see them live when they did La Mer/Into the Void.

I've always wanted to see The Downward Spiral complete album straight through, that would be pimp.


The Only Time (live) - Self Destruct Tour (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw9cEuhzFfc)

[OpT!Mu5]

Yeah, I like it when some guy throws his lighter at Trent and he gets kinda pissed...I always love Trent when he gets pissed on-stage. That was nothing compared to some of the Closure stuff...

[therealjohng]

God, that scene where they bring down the EXIT sign is classic. I need to download that torrent that got leaked....

[Hatfield]

1. The Downward Spiral
2. The Fragile
3. Broken
4. Pretty Hate Machine
5. With Teeth