OH MY SHIT. Kiefer SUtherland gets invited to talk to US Military on Torture.

[Tweek]

Oh my shit.

I hope this is true...

Link to story (http://www.hollywood.com/news/US_Army_Invites_Sutherland_to_Give_Anti_Torture_Sp eech/3662740)

HOLLYWOOD - 24 star Kiefer Sutherland has accepted an invitation from the U.S. military to teach army cadets it is wrong to torture prisoners.

Sutherland, who plays agent Jack Bauer on the show, has agreed to talk to cadets at the West Point military academy in New York state after army chiefs claimed the show's torture scenes are influencing its newest recruits.

Earlier this month, Brigadier General Patrick Finnegan visited the set of 24 to urge its makers to cut down on torture scenes.

He told the show's producers, "I'd like them to stop. They should do a show where torture backfires. The kids see it and say, 'If torture is wrong, what about 24?'

"The disturbing thing is that although torture may cause Jack Bauer some angst, it is always the patriotic thing to do." .

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Sutherland, who plays agent Jack Bauer on the show, has agreed to talk to cadets at the West Point military academy in New York state after army chiefs claimed the show's torture scenes are influencing its newest recruits.

Are they torturing each other?

[JJFlamingo]

Go Get Em, Kiefer!!!!

[Buck Turgidson]

Good.

I know a little something about Kiefer's personal politics and unless they've changed a lot in the last few years, he's got to be as disgusted by what Jack Bauer routinely does as I am.

[ilovemovies]

I seriously hope they are kidding about the torture scenes on the show influencing some of the newer recruits because if that's true, that doesn't speak very poisitively about our military that they are influenced by a fictional television series.

[Scorpio24]

Oh my shit ---????

[edonline]

I hope there's no Christmas trees around! :D

[Shockwave]

Dont fuck with a pirate.

[echo_bravo]

This is the dumbest shit I have heard in awhile. What next, are they going to have Jake Gyllenhaal come lecture the troops about shit cause he played a marine in Jarhead????

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
This is the dumbest shit I have heard in awhile. What next, are they going to have Jake Gyllenhaal come lecture the troops about shit cause he played a marine in Jarhead????

Would it be any different from that fact that prominent Republican officials and pundits actually use the popularity of the show "24" to justify their torture policies?

If military recruits (and Republicans in general) are confusing a TV show with reality, then it makes sense to use that TV show's star to convince them otherwise.

[Tweek]

Originally posted by Scorpio24
Oh my shit ---???? It seemed like tha appropriate phrase at the time.
teehee

[Tweek]

Originally posted by edonline
I hope there's no Christmas trees around! :D

He is never going to live that down, is he? haha.

What i would've given to have been that tree.

[Scorpio24]

Originally posted by Tweek
It seemed like tha appropriate phrase at the time.
teehee

:D

Just never heard that phrase in my life befopre.

[Beenthere]

I prefer him to go to the opposite side and lecture them that beheading is bad. Even when you behead a Jew it's still the very bad thing to do.

I agree with many that tortures wouldn't work anyway. And it's not necessary. When imams in America openly give so much info in the mosques why bother?

[Beenthere]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox

If military recruits (and Republicans in general) are confusing a TV show with reality, then it makes sense to use that TV show's star to convince them otherwise.

And the reality is... :confused: Give us yours, please.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Beenthere
And the reality is... :confused: Give us yours, please.

The reality is that 24 is just a TV show. Jack Bauer is a fictional character, not a government agent acting on your behalf. The scenarios depicted have never happened. There has never been a ticking time bomb situation, much less five in one day. Torture has never been an effective interrogation tool and does not produce viable information, much less instantly and with great regularity.

And finally, the popularity of the show is in no way a referendum on America's tolerance for torture, rogue agents, illegal policy actions by government officials, etc.

Honestly, do I really have to point this out? I know Republicans have been totally out of touch with reality lately, but c'mon.

[ilovemovies]

I thought the arguement was they were asking the show's producer's to cut down on the torture because it was influencing some of the newer recruits.

Where does republicans fit into this? :confused:

[chasingbanky]

This reminds me of a scrubs episode where Zach Braff does a more you know PSA. He says a bunch of stuff and then says "Don't smoother your kids," and walks off as silly as possible. I can imagine everyones favorite 80's vampire doing something quite similar.

"Had a tough day on patrol? Maybe get a sunburn while escorting a prisoner? Feel like punching him in the face and electrocuting his nipples? Its fun right? Wrong, don't torture your POWs."


edit: .... The More You Know... (Do dooo do DOOOOOO)

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Where does republicans fit into this? :confused: [/B]

Because Republicans have been referencing Jack Bauer and citing 24 to prove that the American public approves of torture. And Republicans have been looking for a way to sell torture, which they advocate as an American policy, to the American public.

[Tweek]

He says a bunch of stuff and then says "Don't smoother your kids

How i love scrubs.

[viking]

It's good to know that the U.S. Military is influenced by Television.

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Would it be any different from that fact that prominent Republican officials and pundits actually use the popularity of the show "24" to justify their torture policies?

If military recruits (and Republicans in general) are confusing a TV show with reality, then it makes sense to use that TV show's star to convince them otherwise.

Ugh. Still a pretty dumb idea but if the military is inviting him then so be it. I think it would be more effective if they had Sen. McCain come and talk to them. He has real experience regarding torture. Just my 2 cents.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
He has real experience regarding torture. Just my 2 cents. [/B]

Aside from the fact that McCain totally sold out on this issue by voting FOR the use of torture by the administration, I agree.

But the recruits aren't influenced by a real soldier and real politician. They are influenced by a fictional character played by a TV star. So perhaps it's more effective to get the TV star to talk to them.

[ilovemovies]

If that's the case the problem is with the soldiers themselves. They should be kicked off and replaced. Seriously, it's totally asinine that they are being influenced by a TV show.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
If that's the case the problem is with the soldiers themselves. They should be kicked off and replaced. Seriously, it's totally asinine that they are being influenced by a TV show.

The problem is systemic. It is not the fault of the soldiers. It is a policy matter and comes from the ADMINISTRATION.

Read on and feel free to be disturbed and outraged at what Bush and co have wrought.

Former U.S. Army specialist Tony Lagouranis (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17369550/site/newsweek/):

Interrogators didn’t have guidance from the military on what to do because we were told that the Geneva Conventions didn’t apply any more. So our training was obsolete, and we were encouraged to be creative. We turned to television and movies to look for ways of interrogating. I can say that I saw that with myself, also. I would adopt the posture of the television or movie interrogator, thinking that establishing that simple power arrangement, establishing absolute power over the detainee, would force him to break. …

Mock executions and mock electrocution, stress positions, isolation, hypothermia. Threatening to execute family members or rape detainees’ wives and things like that.

They tried to blame Abu Ghraid on a "few bad apples," but it turns out those soldiers were just scapegoats to cover up the administration's pro-torture policies. That just shows you how much the president and his cronies really "support the troops."

[EBastard]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Dont fuck with a pirate.
And I suppose "that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blBa6KWSjkw) would explain everything"? :D



SHIVER ME TIMBERS...

I'M WITH TWEEK AND FLAMINGO: OH MY SHIT! GO GET EM' KIEFER!

[Tweek]

Originally posted by EBastard
And I suppose "that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blBa6KWSjkw) would explain everything"? :D



SHIVER ME TIMBERS...

I'M WITH TWEEK AND FLAMINGO: OH MY SHIT! GO GET EM' KIEFER!


I missed him on Conan! Stupid fatigue!

And the video player on the library computers sucks. heh

[Tweek]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=K_swFUVeVKo


Oh my god... An ad for a vitamin beverage.

:-D

[adamjohnson]

I hope he tackle smore ChristmasTrees/terrorists.