Bill Maher suggests Cheney's death would save lives

[echo_bravo]

TV Host Bill Maher Suggests Dick Cheney's Death Would Save Lives
Monday , March 05, 2007


More people in the world would live if Vice President Dick Cheney died, political commentator Bill Maher said, raising few eyebrows despite suggesting the death of the U.S. vice president would be a good thing.

During a visit to Afghanistan late last month, a suicide bomber detonated himself outside Bagram Air Base where Cheney was visiting. Several Afghans and a U.S. soldier were killed, but Cheney was unhurt.

During the Friday night broadcast of his HBO show "Real Time With Bill Maher," Maher and his guests, including Democratic Rep. Barney Frank and former Republican Rep. Joe Scarborough, debated the removal of comments from the HuffingtonPost Web log praising the idea of Cheney being assassinated.

Frank earned applause when he quoted bloggers saying the bomb was wasted when it missed Cheney. Maher asked the panelists whether it was wrong for blog host Arianna Huffington to remove the comments.

Quoting the blog, Maher said, "I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow."

Asked by Frank if Maher believed that sentiment, the host replied, "I’m just saying if he did die, other people, more people would live. That’s a fact."

Last week's comments weren't the first to call into question Maher's freewheeling speech. His ABC show "Politically Incorrect" was cancelled shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks when he said the hijackers were "warriors."

But the latest comment received few responses, being overshadowed by a remark by conservative commentator Ann Coulter made Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Coulter said she would discuss John Edwards' bid for the 2000 Democratic presidential nomination except "it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word 'faggot.'"

The comment earned widespread derision, including from CPAC guests former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who called the comments "offensive"; and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who said Coulter's comment was "completely inappropriate."


Edwards himself turned the barb into a rallying cry for fundraising and asked supporters to donate $100,000 in "Coulter Cash." While in Berkeley, Calif., the former North Carolina senator condemned the slur, but remained tight-lipped about his opinion of Coulter.

"I think its important that we not reward hateful, selfish, childish behavior with attention," Edwards told reporters. "I also believe that is important for all of us to speak out against language of this kind; it is the place where hatred gets its foothold, and we can't stand silently by and allow this kind of language to be used."

Asked about the free speech issues and balance of coverage of the two comments, San Antonio, Texas, radio talk show host Rob Thompson told FOX News that Coulter is "intellectual chewing gum ... a lady in a dress who likes to spit out things that cause a little bit of unrest, and she'll go away for a while. She'll crawl back in her hole and we'll hear from her in about six months."

As to Maher's remark, Thompson said, "Unfortunately some of that comment is true."

"If Dick Cheney wasn't in office today, I don't think there'd be as many people dead today. Apart from that, we have to realize that too many people think they have a right to say whatever they want. But they forget that there's a privilege that goes along with that right. Bill Maher likes to stretch that envelope. He likes to see how far he can go. This time he went too far," he said.

[Mentiroso]

Yeah, in the topic I did back at Halloween calling him a douche just about covers how I feel about this crackpot. Nothing has changed, only gotten worse about him.

[MadsenOMC]

Bill Maher has more brains in the little toe on his left foot than Cheney has in his entire body. If hell does exist, there is a special place there for the likes of Dick Cheney. That is one bad man.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Bill Maher has more brains in the little toe on his left foot than Cheney has in his entire body. If hell does exist, there is a special place there for the likes of Dick Cheney. That is one bad man.

Quit being a parrot, repeating everything your friends or your professors say.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Quit being a parrot, repeating everything your friends or your professors say.

I'm not a college student. Graduated quite a few years ago. Not sure what in the hell you are talking about. Any thoughts of your own, or are you just going to criticize me?

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I'm not a college student. Graduated quite a few years ago. Not sure what in the hell you are talking about. Any thoughts of your own, or are you just going to criticize me?

Ok, want my thoughts?


You have to be insane to wish death on someone.

[MadsenOMC]

Did I say that I wished Cheney dead?

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Ok, want my thoughts?


You have to be insane to wish death on someone.

I have made jokes in other threads about wishing death on someone but I agree 100% with you.

Cheney might be the evil master behind Bush but Maher is just retarded for saying he would be better off dead like he did. What a moron. A moron with balls who cant keep his foot out of his mouth, but still a moron.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Did I say that I wished Cheney dead?

But why would you support (or sounds as if you do) someone who thinks like that?

[Beenthere]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Bill Maher has more brains in the little toe on his left foot than Cheney has in his entire body. If hell does exist, there is a special place there for the likes of Dick Cheney. That is one bad man.


Maybe less people would die (who knew Arabs did like kill each other as rabid dogs.:confused:) but those "less" could be us. Possible.

Maher? Genius? I doubt it. After all, he's only half-Jewish. :D
Let's just call him a putz and stop watching anything but The Sopranos and Curb Your Enthusiasm on HBO.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Did I say that I wished Cheney dead?

No, I was merely stating why Mahr would say something like that and that it was insane of him to do so. I think, personally, it's for ratings.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Beenthere
Maybe less people would die (who knew Arabs did like kill each other as rabid dogs.:confused:) but those "less" could be us. Possible.

Maher? Genius? I doubt it. After all, he's only half-Jewish. :D
Let's just call him a putz and stop watching anything but The Sopranos and Curb Your Enthusiasm on HBO.

Are you drunk? What the fuck are you talking about? That made no sense.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
But why would you support (or sounds as if you do) someone who thinks like that?

I am a fan of Maher's show and I believe that he is smarter than Dick Cheney. That doesn't mean that I agree with him and think that we would all be better off if Cheney was dead.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
I think, personally, it's for ratings.

I'm sure you are right. Same reason Ann Coulter calls John Edwards a faggot. To sell books.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I am a fan of Maher's show and I believe that he is smarter than Dick Cheney. That doesn't mean that I agree with him and think that we would all be better off if Cheney was dead.


Ahh, just couldnt be a "fan" of someone like that myself. I dont set the bar that low.

[MadsenOMC]

I take it you don't like any Mel Gibson movies then? Because I enjoy Maher's show I set the bar low? That is an incredibly dumb statement.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I take it you don't like any Mel Gibson movies then? Because I enjoy Maher's show I set the bar low? That is an incredibly dumb statement.

No. To be honest after the Gibson drunk rant, I did lose respect for him. It is his opinion and choice to say those things as an American, just like Maher. But lately I have avoided Mels work. No plans to see his recent one with the Mayans (forgot the name). And you can call it a dumb statement but it is truth. If you cant back up your statements without insulting my opinion maybe you shouldnt try. Yes, because you enjoy a show hosted by a HUGE DOUCHE, you are setting the bar low.

[MadsenOMC]

I'm sorry but we strongly disagree. I am able to separate the art from the artist. I may not like or agree with what Gibson said but I still saw Apocalypto. Ryan Adams is supposedly a huge asshole but I still like his music and pay to see him in concert. Bill Maher may put his foot in his mouth on a regular basis but he is still witty and funny and conducts good discussions with a wide variety of people on his show. I feel sorry for people who can't separate the art from the artist.

[Lindsey]

Okay guys.... I'm about to close this thread because it's turning into one big argument. Stay on topic or I'll close it down. Thanks everyone.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I feel sorry for people who can't separate the art from the artist.


Good for you. But supporting somone who thnks a certain way that I totally disagree with is NOT something I could morally do. I mean I am sure Maher is smart, IQ wise, but a complete buffoon morally. I just am not going to be a fan of someone like that. I am just not a sheep who will support someone because they do one good thing, no matter what they do next.

[MadsenOMC]

Oh Jesus. A person is hardly a sheep if they think Maher's show is entertaining. I can't believe you like the movie American Psycho. Ellis is such a misogynist. Morally, I could never support something like that.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Oh Jesus. A person is hardly a sheep if they think Maher's show is entertaining. I can't believe you like the movie American Psycho. Ellis is such a misogynist. Morally, I could never support something like that.

Well we have been warned, no point in getting thread locked. We will just have to disagree and move on and let others comment on the topic.


If you want PM and we can keep the convo going there?

[Beenthere]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Are you drunk? What the fuck are you talking about? That made no sense.

Watch your language, please. You know what I am talking about. It makes a perfect sense. If the nice people of Iraq (Kurds not included) deserve the dictator who kills but keep them in order why less people would die? Still a lot. And if they do not deserve the dictatorship at what point they would stop being barbarous to each other? And when they stop will they forget about the unfinished business with us?

And Maher is a PUTZ.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I'm sure you are right. Same reason Ann Coulter calls John Edwards a faggot. To sell books.

A book and televison are two things on the oppsite end of the spectrum. More people watch televesion then they do a book, so, Mahr must've not read too many books as a child because that was not a smart statement to make.

[MadsenOMC]

Publicity. They both did it for the publicity. Maher to get viewers and Coulter to sell books. That wasn't clear?

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Well we have been warned, no point in getting thread locked. We will just have to disagree and move on and let others comment on the topic.


If you want PM and we can keep the convo going there?

Fair enough.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Publicity. They both did it for the publicity. Maher to get viewers and Coulter to sell books. That wasn't clear?

I knew that Maher did it to get ratings, when I read the thread title. I had it in my head the whole arguement.

[Beenthere]

Are we discussing his statement or Maher himself?

[outsyder]

How does what Maher said even make sense? I he trying to say that if Cheney died, the US would pull out of Iraq tomorrow? If anything, I would think the death of the VP because of something like that would lead to increased troop numbers followed with a heavy offensive.

Just a publicity move. Pure and simple.

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by outsyder
How does what Maher said even make sense? I he trying to say that if Cheney died, the US would pull out of Iraq tomorrow? If anything, I would think the death of the VP because of something like that would lead to increased troop numbers followed with a heavy offensive.

Just a publicity move. Pure and simple.

Yeah, thats what I was wondering. I fail to see how it would "save lives". For being such an "intellectual", he sure does say some stupid shit.

[The Heart Collector]

The day Dick Cheyney dies, I will throw a party.

[Shockwave]

Go get those ratings Maher!:rolleyes:

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Yeah, thats what I was wondering. I fail to see how it would "save lives". For being such an "intellectual", he sure does say some stupid shit.

I think his assertion is that Dick Cheney's death would precipitate a withdrawal from Iraq. But I don't think ANYTHING would precipitate a withdrawal from Iraq as long as Bush is in charge.

But that is NOT the same as wishing he were dead, which is neither what he said nor what he meant.

As for some of the indignation in this thread, this is the same VP who has consistently compared his political opponents to Nazi appeasers, traitors, America-haters, terrorists, and defeatists. Bill Maher's colleague Ann Coulter has ACTUALLY wished for the death of liberals and journalists in no uncertain terms.

So please spare us the fake outrage over something Maher didn't actually say.

[Vong]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
The day Dick Cheyney dies, I will throw a party.

I'll bring the hors d'œuvres.

I loved watching Bill Maher's Politically Incorrect before it got cancelled. Now he seems to be turning into a loon. As much as I would love to see Bush and Cheney out of power, wishing for his death is alittle overboard.

[syxxpac]

Anybody actually SURPRISED by Maher's shtick should be flogged for stupidity. Sure, it was a ridiculous thing to say, and stopping at his first comment would've gotten his point across just as much without having been a prick about it, but it's hard to be shocked by anything political commentators say. Disgusted, perhaps, but America is a media-powered society of opportunistic scumbags trying to get attention, so to bring up any issue of "free speech going too far" is a questionable move on Thompson's part, especially since he brushes off Coulter like she's nothing (which she is, of course), and saying MAHER goes too far. Or maybe he's just illustrating that Maher has a brain and functioning logic centre and doesn't HAVE to be a bastard for bastard's sake, while all Coulter has is shock value and a hideous Adam's Apple.

Anyway. Maher must have a death wish for himself. I mean, does he REALLY wanna piss THIS guy off:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/images/0906-04.jpg

?

Maybe the next model will incorporate more human features like mercy, humility and compassion, but as it stands now, a word to the wise - don't push it, Bill. As you can see from this next picture, the newest models are still having their kinks worked out when it comes to SMILING, let alone sweet forgiveness:

http://dick-cheney-news.newslib.com/img/logo/169.jpg

Watch your back, bitch. And stay out of the woods if you know what's good for you. Remember - brighter clothes just means you're easier to spot.

[JJFlamingo]

Maher should be pulled off the air and gagged so no one can hear his shitty opinions. And WHY THE FUCK is Coulter implying that Edwards is gay?? Did I miss something? I mean, Edwards might be the most phony politician of the last 20 years with his plastic smile and perfect hair, but isn't he married??

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Bill Maher's colleague Ann Coulter has ACTUALLY wished for the death of liberals and journalists in no uncertain terms.


Okay, I don't really know anything about Coulter other than she's infamous and I guess that she's made some outrageous comments before. But I don't really know anything about her. But is she really serious when she makes those claims?

[Thrizzle]

He's the VP in the worst administraion in the history of the united states, a colossal asshole, and by all accounts a rotten, greedy human being but he doesnt deserve to die. I do agree with Maher though....that if Cheney weren't ever VP, less people wouldve died and fewer would die in the coming years.

[screamer581]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
He's the VP in the worst administraion in the history of the united states, a colossal asshole, and by all accounts a rotten, greedy human being but he doesnt deserve to die. I do agree with Maher though....that if Cheney weren't ever VP, less people wouldve died and fewer would die in the coming years.


I can pretty much agree with this statement.

[screamer581]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Okay, I don't really know anything about Coulter other than she's infamous and I guess that she's made some outrageous comments before. But I don't really know anything about her. But is she really serious when she makes those claims?


I'd like to think she isn't usually 100% serious, but she is a vile cunt regardless.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
But is she really serious when she makes those claims? [/B]

Whether she's serious or not, the important thing is that conservatives take her seriously. She recently spoke at CPAC, a grassroots conservative convention in which she was applauded for calling John Edwards a "faggot."

In fact, she was introduced at this conference by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who embraced her afterwards.

It's an important distinction here. Bill Maher is regarded as a comedian and rightly so. Ann Coulter is considered a serious political commentator and a voice of the right.

[Shockwave]

Coulter is considered a serious political commentator and a voice of the right.

..HOW exactly, she got to be considerd that, were still trying to determine.:D

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I think his assertion is that Dick Cheney's death would precipitate a withdrawal from Iraq. But I don't think ANYTHING would precipitate a withdrawal from Iraq as long as Bush is in charge.

But that is NOT the same as wishing he were dead, which is neither what he said nor what he meant.

As for some of the indignation in this thread, this is the same VP who has consistently compared his political opponents to Nazi appeasers, traitors, America-haters, terrorists, and defeatists. Bill Maher's colleague Ann Coulter has ACTUALLY wished for the death of liberals and journalists in no uncertain terms.

So please spare us the fake outrage over something Maher didn't actually say.

Well excuse me

Yeah its our fault for taking the brillant Bill Maher's quotes out of context.:rolleyes:

And why bring Ann Coulter in this??? I hate her so dont think I am sticking up for her.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
[B]Well excuse me

Yeah its our fault for taking the brillant Bill Maher's quotes out of context.:rolleyes:

Yes it is. Yours and the right-wing media.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Yes it is. Yours and the right-wing media.



Actually it would be Mahers fault for even suggesting something like that. Out of context or not, he said what he said and he meant it.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Actually it would be Mahers fault for even suggesting something like that. Out of context or not, he said what he said and he meant it.

Out of context or not?! Context is everything in this case.

IN context, he didn't say what you think he said. You're relying on what OTHER people are telling you instead of finding out for yourself.

The right-wing media (including Fox Noise Channel) has done the same thing to Hillary Clinton this week, excising a clip of her and accusing her of being a "phony" because she fakes a southern accent to a southern audience. But when you watch the whole clip, it's quite clear that this is not even remotely the case.

Context is EVERYTHING in these situations, but you'd rather believe the smears than find out the truth.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Out of context or not?! Context is everything in this case.

IN context, he didn't say what you think he said. You're relying on what OTHER people are telling you instead of finding out for yourself.


Context is EVERYTHING in these situations, but you'd rather believe the smears than find out the truth.


I read the dialogue from the show, the whole segment, not just like a clip of it. He clearly states that more people would live if Cheney was dead.

So he is saying that Cheney being DEAD is a GOOD thing. How is that out of context?

And stick to the subject on hand, Maher. Not Fox News, or any other media outlet. We have all pretty much seen the clip on youtube or read the transcript by now. So you can stop blaming the media for every dumb thing Maher says. Blame MAHER!!!!

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
So he is saying that Cheney being DEAD is a GOOD thing. How is that out of context?

This would be like saying that pro-war supporters WISH the death of those 3000 American soldiers because without them Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq.

Is that true? Is that fair to say? That war supports are GLAD that all those American soldiers are DEAD?

Because it's that simple, right?

[Shockwave]

The right-wing media (including Fox Noise Channel) has done the same thing to Hillary Clinton this week, excising a clip of her and accusing her of being a "phony" because she fakes a southern accent to a southern audience. But when you watch the whole clip, it's quite clear that this is not even remotely the case.

..wasnt that great?

This is going to be one funny as hell election race.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
This would be like saying that pro-war supporters WISH the death of those 3000 American soldiers because without them Saddam would still be in charge of Iraq.

Is that true? Is that fair to say? That war supports are GLAD that all those American soldiers are DEAD?

Because it's that simple, right?


Umm no, not even in the same ballpark. Like comparing apples and oranges. So once again, try sticking to Maher and not changing the subject like you have done constantly through the thread.

Maher said things would be better is Cheney was dead.

Never heard a pro-war supporter say things are better now that our troops are dead.

What you said makes no sense. Sorry.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Okay, I don't really know anything about Coulter other than she's infamous and I guess that she's made some outrageous comments before. But I don't really know anything about her. But is she really serious when she makes those claims?

I think she is but in the least serious of ways. For example, it seems that when we're children we tend to hate the villains in movies and T.V. shows a whole lot more. Hell, in my eyes Shredder was no different than Pol Pot or Hitler. I think in this case, Ann Coulter is serious but she can't help it because she is nothing more than a forty-something year old child. She hates John Edwards the same way that I hated Shredder when I was four.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
[B]Umm no, not even in the same ballpark. Like comparing apples and oranges.

No it isn't. If you support the war, then you're saying that you WISH those troops are dead. Bill Maher is weighing two scenarios. Either Cheney is dead and others are alive. Or Cheney is alive and others are dead. Either the soldiers are alive and there is no war. Or there is a war and those soldiers are dead. It's so simple, really.

According to YOU and the simplistic standard you're setting, you're saying that you WISH the soldiers are dead if you support the war. Because without the war, they'd still be alive.

What you said makes no sense. Sorry.

That's because what you're saying about Maher makes no sense. It takes this kind of comparison to TRY to make you see it.

But obviously nuance is not your forte or we wouldn't even be having this discussion. In fact, Fox News and the other right-wing media RELY on the inability of its audience to understand nuance.

One wonders if you'd be quite so irate in a thread about Ann Coulter ACTUALLY wishing the death of liberals, or in which Dick Cheney compares Democrats to Nazi-appeasers, traitors, al Qeada sympathizers, instead of a made-up one about Bill Maher.

[Beeblebrox]

Bill Maher's response to the brouhaha:

On Saturday, the website NewsBusters.org posted a story under the headline "Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed."

There's just one problem: As a fair reading of the show's transcript makes clear, I never said those words. Still, over the weekend, dozens of websites, mostly right wing, picked up the story (with headline intact) thus proliferating the myth that comic Maher somehow advocates the whacking of our Veep.

Don't get me wrong: I've never joined the Dick Cheney Fan Club. But what I said Friday -- and what I believe -- is that the Vice President has presided over a bungled execution of a war in which thousands of our bravest continue to die. And I believe that were he not in power, our troops would likely come home sooner. But I don't wish him dead.

Ironically, I made my comments during a discussion about Free Speech, which is one of the chief reasons that I love my country.

[Shockwave]

John Edwards the same way that I hated Shredder when I was four.

I thought Shredder was cool.

..but i hated how he could kick the shit out of alll four of the turtles together in one episode, then get ass-whipped be Leo the next.

Krang was a bitch however. I did hate him.

.......

.....yeah, i know. Im drunk. Cowabunga.

[Beenthere]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I think his assertion is that Dick Cheney's death would precipitate a withdrawal from Iraq. But I don't think ANYTHING would precipitate a withdrawal from Iraq as long as Bush is in charge.

But that is NOT the same as wishing he were dead, which is neither what he said nor what he meant.

As for some of the indignation in this thread, this is the same VP who has consistently compared his political opponents to Nazi appeasers, traitors, America-haters, terrorists, and defeatists. Bill Maher's colleague Ann Coulter has ACTUALLY wished for the death of liberals and journalists in no uncertain terms.

So please spare us the fake outrage over something Maher didn't actually say.

You are a serious leftist. How much did you miss the Soviet Union? ;)

[EVILxxx]

If you support the war, then you're saying that you WISH those troops are dead.

This is either the dumbest thing I've read on the boards or I'm taking it out of context.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
No it isn't.


It might make sense in your head but you are just rambling on and on. I can not argue with that because it MAKES NO SENSE. There is not much for me to argue there.

Did Maher say things would be better if Cheney were dead? YES.
Is he trying to cover his ass now that people are attacking him for it? YES


Video of him saying "I'm just saying that if he did die, other people, more people would live"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zcP2W4XC3c


He says this exact quote at the 3 min mark.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
This is either the dumbest thing I've read on the boards or I'm taking it out of context.


HAHAHAHAHA

That made my day :D

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
This is either the dumbest thing I've read on the boards or I'm taking it out of context.

It is INTENTIONALLY dumb, to illustrate just how dumb it is to interpret Maher's comment as saying he WISHES the VP were dead, which is what the right-wingers are claiming.

Of COURSE I don't think that war supporters wish the soldiers were dead, just as I don't think Maher wishes the VP were dead.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
[B]It might make sense in your head but you are just rambling on and on. I can not argue with that because it MAKES NO SENSE. There is not much for me to argue there.

My point is that it makes as much sense as your interpretation of Maher. It makes no sense because your invented smear about Maher makes no sense.

No wonder the right-wing media has such an easy time convincing its audience. Its audience is filled with rubes.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox

No wonder the right-wing media has such an easy time convincing its audience. Its audience is filled with rubes.


So you cant argue your point so you insult users instead? Good idea.

[FatSakHead]

Originally posted by The Heart Collector
The day Dick Cheyney dies, I will throw a party.

But you didn't throw a party when Anna Nicole Smith died? Oh wait, that's right, according to you celebrating the deaths of others is wrong.

But anyways, I won't lose any sleep if Dick Cheney or Bush die. In fact, I'm all for assassinating conservative politicians.

[Shockwave]

In fact, I'm all for assassinating conservative politicians.

Dont ever breed.:)

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
So you cant argue your point so you insult users instead? Good idea.

I am making my point and apparently quite well. Even you acknowledge that claiming someone "wishes" someone else were dead based on some flimsy interpretation "makes no sense".

I'm just trying to get you to apply that standard equally. Unfortunately, I'm up against the rather impressive right-wing media control of your brain.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by FatSakHead
In fact, I'm all for assassinating conservative politicians. [/B]

See, that's what actually saying they wish someone were dead looks like. And even he probably isn't serious (I hope).

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I am making my point and apparently quite well. Even you acknowledge that claiming someone "wishes" someone else were dead based on some flimsy interpretation "makes no sense".

I'm just trying to get you to apply that standard equally. Unfortunately, I'm up against the rather impressive right-wing media control of your brain.

you know nothing about me. I cant help it you blatantly ignore what Maher says and continue to suck on his rotten teet. That is your problem bud. But insulting me only makes you look bad.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
[B]you know nothing about me.

So far, I know that no amount of reality or truth can change your mind away from what the right-wing media has told you to think.

I cant help it you blatantly ignore what Maher says and continue to suck on his rotten teet.

I'm simply not swallowing the right-wing media's gross distortions like you are. Here's what Maher said, the words YOU are clearly blatantly ignoring along with all of the vile things Dick Cheney ACTUALLY said about his political opponents. Apparently the word of the vice president is less important to you than the supposed words of a comedian:

On Saturday, the website NewsBusters.org posted a story under the headline "Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed."

There's just one problem: As a fair reading of the show's transcript makes clear, I never said those words. Still, over the weekend, dozens of websites, mostly right wing, picked up the story (with headline intact) thus proliferating the myth that comic Maher somehow advocates the whacking of our Veep.

Don't get me wrong: I've never joined the Dick Cheney Fan Club. But what I said Friday -- and what I believe -- is that the Vice President has presided over a bungled execution of a war in which thousands of our bravest continue to die. And I believe that were he not in power, our troops would likely come home sooner. But I don't wish him dead.

Ironically, I made my comments during a discussion about Free Speech, which is one of the chief reasons that I love my country.

Do you seriously expect people to believe that you are genuinely outraged by this, and NOT by Ann Coulter or Dick Cheney's prior comments?

[Mentiroso]

Who ever said I like the vice pres? I saw the clip myself, the whole clip. So I dont know why you keep referring to right wing media because once again, who says im right wing?

Bill Maher is a douche, always putting his foot in his mouth and then trying the next day to clean up his mess. This has nothing to do with right/left wing. I saw the clip, no one told me about it. So what is your argument now?

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
My point is that it makes as much sense as your interpretation of Maher. It makes no sense because your invented smear about Maher makes no sense.

No wonder the right-wing media has such an easy time convincing its audience. Its audience is filled with rubes.
:rolleyes:

Fuck an A dude. Get off your high horse attitude already. I hate Bill Maher cause he is a smug prick. Its hilarious watching you try to spin this on the "right wing media" and the "right wingers". For one, I am not even a right winger so cut that shit out.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Fuck an A dude. Get off your high horse attitude already.

I didn't start the thread accusing Bill Maher of saying something he didn't say. It doesn't matter what you think of him. By all accounts, he is a douche. But pick something that he actually said and attack THAT. It shouldn't be necessary to make it up.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
I didn't start the thread accusing Bill Maher of saying something he didn't say. It doesn't matter what you think of him. By all accounts, he is a douche. But pick something that he actually said and attack THAT. It shouldn't be necessary to make it up.

How do you miss him in the videos saying I'm just saying that if he did die, other people, more people would live"
HE CLEARLY SAYS THIS IN THE CLIP!!
what is your argument for that?

not taken out of context. that is what he said while discussing the missed attempt to take out the VP.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
[B]How do you miss him in the videos saying I'm just saying that if he did die, other people, more people would live"
HE CLEARLY SAYS THIS IN THE CLIP!!
what is your argument for that?

I don't know how many times I have to explain to you that this is not the same as wishing someone dead. He was making what he thought was a statement of fact.

There's a reason why Maher's detractors, including you, are using words he never said. And it's because they know he didn't say it. Otherwise, why would it be necessary for you to embelish it with words he didn't say?

It's like when the right-wing distorted Al Gore's comments to claim he said he INVENTED the internet. The same thing is happening here, albeit with a comedian of all people.

If you don't get that, then you are simply never going to.

It's a fake outrage over a false choice. For example, those who oppose the war in Iraq are accused of wishing that Saddam was still in charge. But one does not mean the other.

Bill Maher certainly said something inflammatory, and made an argument I don't agree with (that Dick Cheney's death would have meant more people alive). But that does not translate to him wishing the VP were dead. And no amount of screeching on the part of the right-wing noise machine will make it so.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
And no amount of screeching on the part of the right-wing noise machine will make it so.

Still has nothing to do with right wing media. I am not a member of the right wing media. Saying that things would be better if someone were dead is basically the same thing as wishing someone were dead. He put a positive spin on the VP being dead.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
Saying that things would be better if someone were dead is basically the same thing as wishing someone were dead. He put a positive spin on the VP being dead.

There you go again, embellishing it with words he didn't say in order to make it fit what YOU think he meant. This goes beyond paraphrasing. You are totally changing the meaning of his words. You are distorting. The "spin" is coming from you guys being dishonest about Bill Maher because, apparently, you don't like him anyway.

Here is the actual transcript, and note that Bill Maher says EXACTLY what he later repeats, and does not once say he wish Cheney were killed in that attack. In fact, when asked, he repeatedly denies that he wishes Cheney had been killed but makes what he considers a statement of fact IF Cheney had died.

"MAHER: [overlapping] But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. [applause]

RIDLEY: Okay, but—[voices overlap under applause]

SCARBOROUGH: But, let’s talk – let’s talk about your show for a second, very quickly. If somebody on this panel said they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say—

FRANK: I think he did. [laughter]

SCARBOROUGH: Okay, did you say--?

MAHER: No. No, I quoted that.

FRANK: You don’t? Oh, you don’t believe that?

MAHER: No, I’m just saying that if he did die—

SCARBOROUGH: [laughter] Okay, but if – oh, let’s just say—

MAHER: [overlapping]—other people – more people would live. That’s a fact.

SCARBOROUGH: Okay, then – but, let’s put it this way then. If somebody came on here and said that they wished all abortion clinics had been blown up—

MAHER: Right.

SCARBOROUGH: [overlapping]—and you didn’t step forward and say, “I disassociate myself with those remarks,” and it just floats out there in the transcripts, then you’re going to be connected with those words. Arianna Huffington has every right to say, “I don’t want to be associated with this hate language.”

MAHER: Right.

SCARBOROUGH: “I’m going to take it down from my site so right-wing talk show hosts aren’t going to try to wrap those words around me.

FRANK: And you can say it on your own blog. You can say it elsewhere. [voices overlap]

SCARBOROUGH: And you’d do the same thing.

MAHER: Okay.

FRANK: You can say it on your own Internet.

RIDLEY: Can’t she – can’t these individuals express themselves without going to the furthest extremes? I mean, here’s my thing. If you can actually express what you’re going to say—

SCARBOROUGH: No.

RIDLEY: [overlapping]—well, obviously, those individuals can’t. But, what Arianna wants to do – and as disclosure, I blog on Huffington – I think what she wants to do is actually to try to have some responsibility in the blogosphere.

MAHER: Okay, I want to show you a little clip from Dick Cheney a second, but first I want to just say, here was Dick Cheney’s quote today. He said, “Like it or not, the enemy we face in the war on terror has made Iraq the primary front in that war.” Yeah, they made Iraq the primary – is that not through the looking glass?

Okay, anyway, a lot of people talked about what happened over there in Afghanistan with Dick Cheney almost getting blown up. Not a lot of people noticed what he was traveling in. Look at the picture of this—[slide of airplane]—this is the plane. It’s called the “Spirit of Strom Thurmond.” [audience reacts] That’s the plane Dick Cheney flies around in.

RIDLEY: I take back what I said maybe about wanting him to die. I’m sorry.

[EVILxxx]

I fucking hate the audience of "Real Time".

Making the assumption that Maher thinks "other people – more people would live. That’s a fact." is a good thing is not a crazy rationale. If that is a good thing than the idea of Cheney dying is a good thing.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
I fucking hate the audience of "Real Time".

No argument there. They were clearly applauding the idea of Cheney being blown up by a bomb, which is tasteless and crude to say the least.

Making the assumption that Maher thinks "other people – more people would live. That’s a fact." is a good thing is not a crazy rationale. If that is a good thing than the idea of Cheney dying is a good thing.]

Again, you're ADDING words like "good thing" that Maher himself never said, and then leaping to erroneous conclusions about what he must have meant.

If this is truly what he meant, then it wouldn't be necessary to add all of these other words to his comments to arrive at his "wishing" Dick Cheney were dead, but you guys can't seem to manage that.

And later when BIll Maher clarifies his comments, he repeats EXACTLY what he said. You guys aren't doing that because it doesn't suit your agenda of smearing Maher. You have to embellish and make shit up.

[Mentiroso]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox

MAHER: No, I’m just saying that if he did die—

MAHER: [overlapping]—other people – more people would live. That’s a fact.

[/B]



How else are us "rubes" supposed to take this comment? He CLEARLY puts a positive spin on the VP being dead. You cant be missing this.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
[B]How else are us "rubes" supposed to take this comment?

For the third time:

On Saturday, the website NewsBusters.org posted a story under the headline "Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed."

There's just one problem: As a fair reading of the show's transcript makes clear, I never said those words. Still, over the weekend, dozens of websites, mostly right wing, picked up the story (with headline intact) thus proliferating the myth that comic Maher somehow advocates the whacking of our Veep.

Don't get me wrong: I've never joined the Dick Cheney Fan Club. But what I said Friday -- and what I believe -- is that the Vice President has presided over a bungled execution of a war in which thousands of our bravest continue to die. And I believe that were he not in power, our troops would likely come home sooner. But I don't wish him dead.

If you guys want to attack someone, then there is legitimate criticism to be made about the audience. But what Maher said is a statement of fact (more of a hypothesis than a fact, but a declarative statement nonetheless), not a wish or dream or desire of his own.

There was ample opportunity for him to say he wished Dick Cheney had died, if that's truly what he wanted to say. And knowing Bill Maher, he would have said it. Obviously he is not a guy who minces words. But he didn't say it because he didn't feel that way.

[Mentiroso]

You still ignored the part I quoted. I dont care about his back pedaling the next day. You ignore the quote I am talking about.

[notchreturns]

I actually don't have a problem with Cheney dying (through heart failure, choking on a pretzel, whatever) if it leads to a more immedient exit from Iraq.

Call me crazy or whatever you please, but if that's what it is gonna take, then I hope it's as painless as possible for him.

I doubt it would do much, but hey, gotta have hope.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
You still ignored the part I quoted. I dont care about his back pedaling the next day. You ignore the quote I am talking about.

Oy.

I am addressing that quote SPECIFICALLY. The one that ends "that's a fact" which apparently you seem to keep missing.

HE IS MAKING A STATEMENT OF FACT. That is what he says and that is what he means. It is not a wish or desire. FOR EXAMPLE, if I say that "If we hadn't gone to war, those troops would still be alive." That's a statement of fact and does not express a wish or desire unless I elaborate on it and make a definitive statement one way or another.

One can fairly argue the statement of fact and disagree on its merits. But that's wholly different from grossly distorting his comment by adding words that totally change its meaning as you guys insist on doing because you're more interested in smearing Bill Maher than in the truth.

I dont care about his back pedaling the next day.

You asked if there were ANY other way to interpret his comments. Bill Maher would be the one to do that himself, and unlike you, he does so by quoting himself exactly, not by adding words to his comments that distort their meaning.

Have you stopped to consider that if you have to distort his actual comments in order to make a point, then maybe you don't have one?

No, of course not.

[Mentiroso]

If you say so. I am not going to keep going back showing you the most obvious things in the world (cant see the forest because of the trees type deal here). You can say he didnt mean it one way when it was plain as day what he meant in the context of him saying it when he did. Yes he back pedaled the next day so he wouldnt lose his HBO gig like he lost his ABC job. Dont blame him. He is still a douche.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
(cant see the forest because of the trees type deal here)

Ah, the irony. You are blinded by the right-wing media and distorting someone else's words, and yet you know what he meant more than the man himself, even if it means adding words that totally distort the meaning.

Yes he back pedaled the next day so he wouldnt lose his HBO gig like he lost his ABC job.

Oy.

Maher is no danger whatever of losing his HBO gig. That's why he's on HBO, so that he can actually BE politically incorrect without worrying about whiny network suits coming down on him like they did at ABC. Sorry you're so sensitive about it, but obviously a guy like Maher isn't going to please everyone.

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by FatSakHead
But you didn't throw a party when Anna Nicole Smith died? Oh wait, that's right, according to you celebrating the deaths of others is wrong.
Why is it that my absurd trolls are always taken seriously by people here. Fuck's sake.

[Lindsey]

All right boys, take it to the PM's. This thread is going downhill fast.

Thread closed.