Tom Cruise tried to convert Larry King

[IronMonkey]

Tommy boy is at it AGAIN (http://www.religionandspirituality.com/currentEvents/view.php?StoryID=20070313-085458-8309r) :D

[bigred760]

YOU GO LARRY!! You take those antidepressants if you damn well want to!!

[Shockwave]

Its for the best. They just arent ready for the King.:)

[JJFlamingo]

freak

[ElderPredator]

Originally posted by bigred760
YOU GO LARRY!! You take those antidepressants if you damn well want to!!

Damn right! And you take your ridilin as well if you want it! :D

[Kings-Rook1]

Scientology is nuts! The reason they are always attacking psychiatry is because L. Ron Hubard told them that all psychologists are space aliens and evil.

[Scorpio24]

Hey!

A Tom thread. Has it really been that long.

[Shockwave]

A Tom thread. Has it really been that long.

..better then another Spears thread?

At least Toms antics are "haha" crazy.:)

[Otis Driftwood]

What a whack job. Stupid little runt.

[powersauce]

As someone who converted to a cult (Mormon - no offense to those who like them) several years ago and recently resigned from it by seeing what a crock it is, I have no choice but to side with Larry and be even more against Wacko Cruiso.

[edonline]

The thing is, could Larry King become even MORE mellower?

[Tuukka]

BTW, the article doesn't state any dates. I suspect this has happened quite some time ago - Cruise has been really trying to clean up his act over the last year. Good for him.

[therealjohng]

Someone should try to convert Tom Cruise back into a human.

[Scorpio24]

Originally posted by Shockwave
..better then another Spears thread?

At least Toms antics are "haha" crazy.:)

It was just a little nostalgic for a moment or two. No matter how many Spears threads pop up. Nothing will top the sheer rediculousness of last summer's "Tom season"

[IronMonkey]

Originally posted by Kings-Rook1
Scientology is nuts! The reason they are always attacking psychiatry is because L. Ron Hubard told them that all psychologists are space aliens and evil.

My opinion is the reason they attack Psychiatry so much is due to L.Ron's (their God) hatred of it because in the 1940's he knew he was crazy and sought their help as well as looking to get on the Government welfare system. He was rebuked. The website Operation Clambake as his ENTIRE record of his twisted sick morbid life is there. Took me 2 days to read it all. Fascinating stuff.

[Vong]

I guess Cruise talking to King about his faith is better than the old Christian tradition: forcing people to worship their religion by invading their homeland and subjugating them to their convictions. If Cruise really wanted to get King to believe his religion, he could always pull something like that.

So what if Cruise is doing this. He's trying to help out a friend. If Cruise believes the tenets of his beliefs are correct in psychiatry, wouldn't he take it upon himself to let others know of its uselessness? It's not like any other religion is innocent of persuading others not to do something because they believed it to be wrong...

Yes, Cruise is wrong in believing that psychiatry doesn't work. But try telling a bible-humping Catholic that sodomy is 'OK' and see how they react.

[Kings-Rook1]

Originally posted by IronMonkey
Took me 2 days to read it all. Fascinating stuff.

I paraphrased a little and threw in a splash of sarcasm.

[IronMonkey]

Originally posted by Vong
I guess Cruise talking to King about his faith is better than the old Christian tradition: forcing people to worship their religion by invading their homeland and subjugating them to their convictions. If Cruise really wanted to get King to believe his religion, he could always pull something like that.

So what if Cruise is doing this. He's trying to help out a friend. If Cruise believes the tenets of his beliefs are correct in psychiatry, wouldn't he take it upon himself to let others know of its uselessness? It's not like any other religion is innocent of persuading others not to do something because they believed it to be wrong...

Yes, Cruise is wrong in believing that psychiatry doesn't work. But try telling a bible-humping Catholic that sodomy is 'OK' and see how they react.

:rolleyes:

[Shockwave]

I guess Cruise talking to King about his faith is better than the old Christian tradition: forcing people to worship their religion by invading their homeland and subjugating them to their convictions.

Damn funny stuff.




I dont know why, but the "WHATS IN YOUR WALLET?!" commercials with the charging barbarians sprung to mind on reading that.:p

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Vong
I guess Cruise talking to King about his faith is better than the old Christian tradition: forcing people to worship their religion by invading their homeland and subjugating them to their convictions. If Cruise really wanted to get King to believe his religion, he could always pull something like that.

So what if Cruise is doing this. He's trying to help out a friend. If Cruise believes the tenets of his beliefs are correct in psychiatry, wouldn't he take it upon himself to let others know of its uselessness? It's not like any other religion is innocent of persuading others not to do something because they believed it to be wrong...

Yes, Cruise is wrong in believing that psychiatry doesn't work. But try telling a bible-humping Catholic that sodomy is 'OK' and see how they react.

Except for your Christian bashing I am going to agree with you. Cruise really believes in Scientology and credits it with making him the man he is. He is trying to spread the news to people he likes. My problem with what he is doing is that when they decide not to look into it it seems like he drops them. for instance Oprah- after all the sharing of joy on her couch, he didn't invite her to any of his weddings even though I 'm sure she thought they were friends.


I think Tom probably suffers from depression but he masks it with all that frenetic activity. He just is always "on". One thing that is great about him is that he seems devoted to his kids and that is a big plus in my book. I just hope they will absorb their mom's Christianity ;)

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Lynn7
I just hope they will absorb their mom's Christianity ;)

I wouldn't bet on it. Besides, I think she converted.

[Buck Turgidson]

Katie's a Roman Catholic, or at least was raised as one.

If she currently has a religion, it seems to be a Leslie Van Houtenish fixation on Tom Thumb.

[Beeblebrox]

When Scientologists start trying to ban gays from marrying each other or serving in the military the way Christianists do, or blow up buildings the way Islamists do, then I'll worry. Until then, they are relatively innocuous as far as crazy religious freaks go.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Katie's a Roman Catholic, or at least was raised as one.

If she currently has a religion, it seems to be a Leslie Van Houtenish fixation on Tom Thumb.


That just reminded me, both Kate and Nicole are/were raised Roman Catholic. As far as I know Nicole kept with the Catholicism throughout their marriage.

He seems to be more enthusiastic about Kate, coincidentally she's the one that seems to be interested in Scientology.

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
When Scientologists start trying to ban gays from marrying each other or serving in the military the way Christianists do, or blow up buildings the way Islamists do, then I'll worry. Until then, they are relatively innocuous as far as crazy religious freaks go.

And yet there are some countries who go crazy trying to keep out the Scientologists. Can't think of which ones but I think they are European and they hate Scientology.

Also, it is not just the Christians who do not allow Gay marriage- it is the Jews and the Muslims too. Gay marriage was never even considered by secular people until the last 15 years or less-no one dared to be associated with the idea of Gay marriage even if they were not religious. So I think maybe they are the ones you might like to brand as hypocrites. And people do not have to be Christian. It's just if they decide to be Christian they need to conform to the Bible teachings. It's all about choice.

And when we die and go to heaven, we have no marriage anymore, according to Jesus, so it is an issue that is totally temporal.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by electriclite
That just reminded me, both Kate and Nicole are/were raised Roman Catholic. As far as I know Nicole kept with the Catholicism throughout their marriage.Pretty sure that fact, as it related to their adopted children's upbringing, was a major factor in their split.

That and the whole loveless marriage of convenience aspect...Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Until then, they are relatively innocuous as far as crazy religious freaks go. :D

Seriously, while they aren't that sort of major problem, they're far from a harmless group, either.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Also, it is not just the Christians who do not allow Gay marriage- it is the Jews and the Muslims too.

Yes, all religions have their crazy religious whackos. Exactly my point.

Gay marriage was never even considered by secular people until the last 15 years or less-no one dared to be associated with the idea of Gay marriage even if they were not religious. So I think maybe they are the ones you might like to brand as hypocrites.

Um. What? That assertion isn't even remotely true, and even if it were, it wouldn't make non-advocates hypocrites.

And people do not have to be Christian. It's just if they decide to be Christian they need to conform to the Bible teachings. It's all about choice.

People don't have to be Scientologists either. I'm not sure of your point here. I'm well aware that it is a choice to be a bigot against homosexuals, to attack psychiatry, and to make women wear burkas, all for religious reasons.

Is that supposed to make all of it okay?

[Beeblebrox]

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0721559020070313?src=cms

CINCINNATI (Reuters) - Real estate agent Dave Eschenbach is an active member of his church, but he feels uncomfortable around a sizable portion of U.S. Christians -- those who believe they could be transported to heaven at any moment.

Several years ago, Eschenbach had a boss who scheduled meetings around the rapture, the term for an event that around 20 percent of U.S. Christians believe is imminent.

"One day he announced to the employees that they probably wouldn't be there next week because of the rapture," Eschenbach said of his former boss. "His church had decided that the rapture would happen that week."

The belief has been fueled by the bestselling "Left Behind" novels, which tell how Christian believers will soon be whisked to heaven -- leaving clothes, dental fillings and eye-glasses behind -- while others are left behind to fight the anti-Christ in preparation for the return of Jesus Christ.

Yep. Those Scientologists sure are crazy.

[echo_bravo]

Scientology is a joke. Its mainly made up of self-absorbed celebrities that join it to add some shallow meaning to their already empty lives. That Dharma & Greg chick takes the cake as being a kook.

[Shockwave]

....i wonder why they dont go after people who ARE NOT flithy rich?:p

[Vong]

All religions have a target audience...mainly the gullible ones who can't think for themselves.

Who better than the rich and the famous to fill that quota? :rolleyes:

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Yep. Those Scientologists sure are crazy. :D

The key number there is "20%"

I'm an agnostic, myself, and I am not that big a fan of any of the three major monotheisms, but I do respect the fact that a large majority of people who are Christians in this country are not kooks.

The trouble is that the kooks wield disproportionate power, in the highest levels of government on down, and have steadily bullied their way to set up a situation in which they're often depicted as being both mainstream and a majority, neither of which is anywhere close to being true.

[Shockwave]

How do they know its even 20%? Did they go ask each one or something?


Sometimes i wonder just how they get these polls. I can see it now-

"Lets go ask these 5 people!" "If one says its gonna happen, then we got 20%!! We got us some statistics! Wow-wee!":D

[Jon Lyrik]

Scientology alone is as kooky as any religion, but it's very centralized, so it's more prone to the whack-job brainwashing techniques of its leaders started by Hubbard rather than having thousands of off-shoots like Christianity, most of which are made up of ordinary, relatively sane people. Plus it's only treated as a religion because somewhere down the line Hubbard wanted to dodge taxes (plus the cult-like shit it employs), while most church leaders probably are genuinely religious.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by Shockwave
How do they know its even 20%? Did they go ask each one or something?


Sometimes i wonder just how they get these polls. I can see it now-

"Lets go ask these 5 people!" "If one says its gonna happen, then we got 20%!! We got us some statistics! Wow-wee!":D

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable.
-Mark Twain

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
Yes, all religions have their crazy religious whackos. Exactly my point.



Um. What? That assertion isn't even remotely true, and even if it were, it wouldn't make non-advocates hypocrites.



People don't have to be Scientologists either. I'm not sure of your point here. I'm well aware that it is a choice to be a bigot against homosexuals, to attack psychiatry, and to make women wear burkas, all for religious reasons.

Is that supposed to make all of it okay?

Yup- it's free choice to be a Scientologist and it's free choice to be pro-gay marriage or anti-gay marriage and everything else.

Bigot is a strange word to use against a thousands of years history of religion. Speaking for my own religion I will say that we beleive that the Bible is God's word and so we try to adhere to the Biblical teachings. We are not making up the rules for the religion- they are handed down to those who choose to commit and follow. Jesus is pretty clear that beleiving in him is a choice and that most people will not make that choice.We are not to force people to beleive as we do.

You are free to call us bigots of course-it's your right of free speech but I just disagree with your viewpoint. Why would we our thousands of years old religion need to adapt to the current trends in the world when our goal is not of the body at all? Sex is for here only, not for the eternal.

"Matthew 22:23-33
23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 24 "Teacher," they said, "Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and have children for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?" 29 Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead--have you not read what God said to you, 32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living." 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at his teaching. "


So- it is not about the sex ultimately.

And getting back to Tom, he has the right to practice his religion and to tell others what he beleives because of the right of free speech and so do all the other religions. People can choose for themselves.

[Buck Turgidson]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Bigot is a strange word to use against a thousands of years history of religion. Vintage bigotry is still bigotry.

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Lynn7
You are free to call us bigots of course-it's your right of free speech but I just disagree with your viewpoint. Why would we our thousands of years old religion need to adapt to the current trends in the world when our goal is not of the body at all?

You don't think your traditions have adapted to meet the needs of the modern world? Where have you been? If there's one thing Christianity is good at, it's adapting (why do you think Christmas is December 25th)?

There are lots of ancient traditions no longer practiced by modern Christians. Slavery. Polygamy. Genocide. And I can't remember the last time anyone sacrificed a goat at my church, or shunned the "unclean" women, or banned clothes made from multiple kinds of cloth. And since you're here in this thread, it's a safe bet you haven't given away all of your worldly possessions to the poor or you wouldn't have a computer to type on.

But even if we concede that we are all free to practice our religious superstitions and customs in America (which is a great thing), there are still two problems I have with a) your comments attacking Islam and Scientology, and b) defending anti-gay bigotry.

First of all, you are one of the first to play the anti-Christian card whenever someone attacks some ridiculous element of modern Christianity. But you have regularly attacked Scientology and have also attacked Islam in the past. And I don't mean one aspect of it. I mean the entire religion. I would think that you, of all people, would eschew anti-religious bigotry of ALL kinds, not just against your own religion. Or at least recognize that EVERY religion, including Christianity, has its crazy, even dangerous, beliefs.

Second, the problem isn't how Christians or Muslims or Jews feel about gay marriage. The problem is that you want to enshrine YOUR religious beliefs (and you freely admit that your opposition to gay marriage is religious) into US law. No one says you have to accept gays or gay marriage. But your right to express your opinion stops at that person's front door. You have no more right to prevent that person from marrying who they want than I would from preventing two Jews from getting married, or a black person and a white person (another one of those ancient traditions now rightfully cast aside).

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
You don't think your traditions have adapted to meet the needs of the modern world? Where have you been? If there's one thing Christianity is good at, it's adapting (why do you think Christmas is December 25th)?

There are lots of ancient traditions no longer practiced by modern Christians. Slavery. Polygamy. Genocide. And I can't remember the last time anyone sacrificed a goat at my church, or shunned the "unclean" women, or banned clothes made from multiple kinds of cloth. And since you're here in this thread, it's a safe bet you haven't given away all of your worldly possessions to the poor or you wouldn't have a computer to type on.

But even if we concede that we are all free to practice our religious superstitions and customs in America (which is a great thing), there are still two problems I have with a) your comments attacking Islam and Scientology, and b) defending anti-gay bigotry.

First of all, you are one of the first to play the anti-Christian card whenever someone attacks some ridiculous element of modern Christianity. But you have regularly attacked Scientology and have also attacked Islam in the past. And I don't mean one aspect of it. I mean the entire religion. I would think that you, of all people, would eschew anti-religious bigotry of ALL kinds, not just against your own religion. Or at least recognize that EVERY religion, including Christianity, has its crazy, even dangerous, beliefs.

Second, the problem isn't how Christians or Muslims or Jews feel about gay marriage. The problem is that you want to enshrine YOUR religious beliefs (and you freely admit that your opposition to gay marriage is religious) into US law. No one says you have to accept gays or gay marriage. But your right to express your opinion stops at that person's front door. You have no more right to prevent that person from marrying who they want than I would from preventing two Jews from getting married, or a black person and a white person (another one of those ancient traditions now rightfully cast aside).

What you guys fail to understand is that sex is important to people here but not where the next life is. If one wants to believe in the Christian religion, one should not value the issue of sex over eternal life in heaven.When Jesus was here, people tried to get him involved in the politics of the day- he said this is not his world. He is here to get us to follow him to the next world which is a spiritual one. So all talk about sex is kind of irrelevant when it comes to the ultimate beliefs of Christianity.As I have said many times before, the bible is just as hard on premarital sex and adultery as it is on gay sex. Yet there is no outcry against these biblical laws.

Christmas is not in the Bible so how people celebrate it is irrelevant also. We are not told to celebrate Christmas in the bible.

The practices you mentioned including animal sacrifice were from the Old Testament and many of them were discontinued when Christ came because he fulfilled all the prophecies in the Old Testament. The animal sacrifices were a foreshadowing of his coming and his sacrifice for our sins. He is known as the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. And we are all considered unclean when it comes to God. Jesus said there is no one who is righteous EXCEPT for God.

Of course I do not agree with the Scientology and Muslim faiths. I have chosen to beleive in the Christian faith. Only one religion can be right, after all. I happen to think mine is and I'm sure the members of those other religions will think theirs is right and mine is wrong.

But I do think that although there have been some "Christians' who have done wrong, Christianity has been a great force for good in this world. We are taught to give our time and money generously.

We are not taught to give up all our worldly goods. Jesus told a man in the bible who kept asking him how he could do better and how he could do better. Finally Jesus said to him, if you want to be perfect, go and sell everything you have and follow me. He did not tell everyone to do this- just this man cause he was persisitent.When the man could not do it he walked away. Jesus said it is hard for a rich man to enter heaven (because he values the things of this world higher than the things of God) and one of his disciples asked then who can be saved and Jesus said with God all things are possible. God is good and kind and loving when you get to know him- to really know him and not to take passages out of context as is done on the internet.

And the laws in this country are made by the legislators. So if gay people and Christian people petition their congressmen for what they want, one side will win and then later another side may win. I have a feeling that it won't be long before gay marriage will be legal in every state and then you can be very happy. These things don't happen overnight you know.

Back to Tom Cruise.....

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Lynn7
So all talk about sex is kind of irrelevant when it comes to the ultimate beliefs of Christianity.As I have said many times before, the bible is just as hard on premarital sex and adultery as it is on gay sex. Yet there is no outcry against these biblical laws.

That's because for some reason that you have failed time and time again to explain, Christianists have not vigorously tried to make premarital sex or adultery ILLEGAL the way you have gay sex and gay marriage. Sure, you've tried to make things as horrible for those who practice premarital sex as you can, like banning abortions, cancer vaccines, contraception and sex education for teenagers, etc, but that's not the same as making the act itself illegal.

And if it's irrelevant, why be hard on any of it, let alone the obsession with banning all things gay?

It also doesn't explain why Christianists don't advocate ALL of their beliefs into law, like monotheism itself (thou shalt have no other gods before me), into law. Just gay sex. Of all the beliefs to single out, that's a relatively minor one compared to the first commandment, don't you think?

The animal sacrifices were a foreshadowing of his coming and his sacrifice for our sins. He is known as the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. And we are all considered unclean when it comes to God. Jesus said there is no one who is righteous EXCEPT for God.

So out of all the OT laws, the only one that even applies any more is the one against homosexuals (that may or may not even apply to homosexuals at all)? That's kind of weird, eh?

The modern Christianist excuse about Jesus fulfilling the prophecies refers ONLY to the punishment for those laws, not the morality. This is why Christianists still feel okay with attacking homosexuality. You don't have to be executed for it, because Jesus died for our sins. But it's still immoral according to Christianists, just like eating shellfish and wearing fabric woven from two kinds of fabric SHOULD be but strangely aren't.

So tell me, Lynn. Do you find eating shellfish to be immoral? What about wearing clothes made from two different kinds of cloth?

Is there some reason to believe that the inerrant Bible in which every single word is supposed to be true is no longer the case?

Of course I do not agree with the Scientology and Muslim faiths. I have chosen to believe in the Christian faith.

That's not the issue. You regularly accuse others of "Christian bashing" even when they're not. But you have no problem bashing other entire religions. I would think that out of simple courtesy you'd show a little respect to other beliefs partciularly when you seem so sensitive about it when it comes to your own religion.

We are not taught to give up all our worldly goods. Jesus told a man in the bible who kept asking him how he could do better and how he could do better. Finally Jesus said to him, if you want to be perfect, go and sell everything you have and follow me.

That's a rather convenient loophole, wouldn't you say? In this one instance where Jesus says something that might actually affect YOU instead of you getting to tell OTHER people how to live their lives, Jesus's words don't actually apply to everyone, just that one dude on that one day? Kind of makes you wonder why it's in the Bible at all. What about the Sermon on the mount? Wasn't he just talking to those people on that day? Does that not apply to the rest of us either?

And btw, when someone says that there's a better chance of fitting a camel through the eye of a needle, it's a euphemism for "impossible". I know conservatives have difficulty with this passage given their love of rich people, but Jesus was quite clear about what he meant.

God is good and kind and loving when you get to know him- to really know him and not to take passages out of context as is done on the internet.

Would this be the same God that has ordered the genocide of countless people, who has ordered the deaths of countless innocent women and children, who advocates rape of women, who destroyed all of humanity, who demanded of some of his followers that they kill their own children in order to demonstrate their allegiance to Him?

The point here is that it is hypocritical it is for you to ridicule Scientology given some of the ridiculous beliefs of Christianity, and not only those beliefs but the force of law granted to that religion, just as Islam has the force of law in Muslim countries.

On that scale, Scientology is crazy but relatively innocuous.

[Vong]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
On that scale, Scientology is crazy but relatively innocuous.

Give it 2000 years and it might become the next "Christianity"...

[Beeblebrox]

Originally posted by Vong
Give it 2000 years and it might become the next "Christianity"...

Islam is almost as old as Christianity, but I doubt Lynn would argue that it makes their traditions somehow justifiable.

It's yet another of her many, many double-standards.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Only one religion can be right, after all.

Or none of them are.


Back to Tom Cruise.....

He's short.

[Buck Turgidson]

And he has a single giant tooth in the center of his upper plate. (Something I only know because I read this board :cool: )

[Shockwave]

Thank god for Cruise bashing.

...and im not kidding. I was betting so sick of hearing about Spears and Lohan.:)

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Beeblebrox
That's because for some reason that you have failed time and time again to explain, Christianists have not vigorously tried to make premarital sex or adultery ILLEGAL the way you have gay sex and gay marriage. Sure, you've tried to make things as horrible for those who practice premarital sex as you can, like banning abortions, cancer vaccines, contraception and sex education for teenagers, etc, but that's not the same as making the act itself illegal.

And if it's irrelevant, why be hard on any of it, let alone the obsession with banning all things gay?

It also doesn't explain why Christianists don't advocate ALL of their beliefs into law, like monotheism itself (thou shalt have no other gods before me), into law. Just gay sex. Of all the beliefs to single out, that's a relatively minor one compared to the first commandment, don't you think?



So out of all the OT laws, the only one that even applies any more is the one against homosexuals (that may or may not even apply to homosexuals at all)? That's kind of weird, eh?

The modern Christianist excuse about Jesus fulfilling the prophecies refers ONLY to the punishment for those laws, not the morality. This is why Christianists still feel okay with attacking homosexuality. You don't have to be executed for it, because Jesus died for our sins. But it's still immoral according to Christianists, just like eating shellfish and wearing fabric woven from two kinds of fabric SHOULD be but strangely aren't.

So tell me, Lynn. Do you find eating shellfish to be immoral? What about wearing clothes made from two different kinds of cloth?

Is there some reason to believe that the inerrant Bible in which every single word is supposed to be true is no longer the case?



That's not the issue. You regularly accuse others of "Christian bashing" even when they're not. But you have no problem bashing other entire religions. I would think that out of simple courtesy you'd show a little respect to other beliefs partciularly when you seem so sensitive about it when it comes to your own religion.



That's a rather convenient loophole, wouldn't you say? In this one instance where Jesus says something that might actually affect YOU instead of you getting to tell OTHER people how to live their lives, Jesus's words don't actually apply to everyone, just that one dude on that one day? Kind of makes you wonder why it's in the Bible at all. What about the Sermon on the mount? Wasn't he just talking to those people on that day? Does that not apply to the rest of us either?

And btw, when someone says that there's a better chance of fitting a camel through the eye of a needle, it's a euphemism for "impossible". I know conservatives have difficulty with this passage given their love of rich people, but Jesus was quite clear about what he meant.



Would this be the same God that has ordered the genocide of countless people, who has ordered the deaths of countless innocent women and children, who advocates rape of women, who destroyed all of humanity, who demanded of some of his followers that they kill their own children in order to demonstrate their allegiance to Him?

The point here is that it is hypocritical it is for you to ridicule Scientology given some of the ridiculous beliefs of Christianity, and not only those beliefs but the force of law granted to that religion, just as Islam has the force of law in Muslim countries.

On that scale, Scientology is crazy but relatively innocuous.

I can tell by your post that you do not subscribe to the Christian faith. All the things you identify as terrible are explained as one studies the bible. I think if I explained everything you asked you would not care anyway. I do disagree with other faiths as I say but I think it is great that we can choose what we want to believe in. I have no problem with people who choose to belong to Islam or to Scientology.

The god you talk about in your post is not my God. My God is made known through Jesus and even the other faiths recognize him at the least as a great and good man. Even atheists recognize that his teachings were wise and his actions were good. But he did say that he came in fulfillment of the Old Testament so if you have a problem with those teachings that the Jews and the Muslims recognize then you also have a problem with Jesus cause he beleives in them too.

[Shockwave]

Lets not get this going AGIAN...

Lets stick to the subject at hand.

Is TOM CRUISE getting shorter?...and if so, what can we do about it as a society?

[boombche_stum]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Lets not get this going AGIAN...

Lets stick to the subject at hand.

Is TOM CRUISE getting shorter?...and if so, what can we do about it as a society?

Yes... he is getting shorter. And I for one plan on doing nothing. I want him to shrink into oblivion (Yeah, I don't like him... sue me).

[Lynn7]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Lets not get this going AGIAN...

Lets stick to the subject at hand.

Is TOM CRUISE getting shorter?...and if so, what can we do about it as a society?

Sorry- I just wanted to answer to that long post directed at me.

Tom's height is fine but he keeps picking tall women - he is not threatened by it I guess. ;)

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Is TOM CRUISE getting shorter?...and if so, what can we do about it as a society?

Laugh. Harder.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by Lynn7
Sorry- I just wanted to answer to that long post directed at me.

Tom's height is fine but he keeps picking tall women - he is not threatened by it I guess. ;)

..u are correct. It worries the Cruise not.

If push comes to shove, he will just stand on the bodies of the fallen foes of lord Xenu for some eye level contact.
:)