Joker's new look.......Interesting

[OpT!Mu5]

You can read the IGN article here (http://movies.ign.com/articles/780/780846p1.html)

Although they later updated their initial report to emphasize that this is not the final design, Batman-on-Film.com has been informed by a scooper that Ledger's Joker "will have gray skin with lots of scarring.

Furthermore, Joker will reportedly wear "raggedy" garb, which jives with earlier rumors that his outfit will be more like something he's thrown together than a costume per se.

Director Christopher Nolan is said to be going for a "scary" Joker rather than a clownish one, which would be in line with the realistic approach he took with villains Ra's Al Ghul and The Scarecrow in Batman Begins.

BoF adds that Warner Bros. will likely release an official image of Ledger as The Joker this summer to ward off spy snapshots from leaking out."

What does everybody think? I love that they are shaking it up a little and making him look fucking scary over clowny (Like Jack's Joker) Because Joker is an insane psychopath...I just hope that we'll get a scene with the purple suit and I also hope that the green hair stays.

[ElderPredator]

I love the idea and I'm really looking forward to seeing him all dressed up.

[Danger^Cart]

Fuck, man...

http://joblo.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110008

That's what I get for actually putting it in the Batman forum...

[dennisv]

Nolan knows what he is doing. I believe in the guy. My most anticipated movie for 2008. I can't really wait too much longer...

[Thrizzle]

I love the idea. That look fits into this new Batman series, and makes so much more sense than the clownish look.

[castlesave]

i thought the scarecrow would look stupid in begins but he turned out lookin pretty sweet. if hes gonna be all scary then i assume we wont be seeing harley quinn.

[FLAME_ON]

BoF adds that Warner Bros. will likely release an official image of Ledger as The Joker this summer to ward off spy snapshots from leaking out."

Lord, I hope thats true!

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
I love the idea and I'm really looking forward to seeing him all dressed up.

Ditto I am really pumped for this.

[soda]

quick note, but, my theory is that a preview image has already been released. Check out the thread I posted on this very forum a few weeks ago about Grant Morrison's Batman #663, I think that's the look Nolan will go for. I advise all of you to pick up that book, the Joker, in that comic is scary as hell. If that's what Nolan is going to do, this movie will rule.

[Dead_living1981]

I've seen some srt work of the new Joker look and I really like it. The character seems more real. The Chelsea smile it just perfect.

[DaveyJoeG]

The Joker should have the fashion sense of Kakihara from Ichi the Killer.

http://annualreport.walkerart.org/2003/images/film.jpg

http://www.lacoctelera.com/myfiles/netzkupe/ichi_the_killer.jpg

[The Heart Collector]

I understand what Nolan is trying to do, but why the fuck would the character be named THE JOKER then? Isn't the name Joker because of the card and whatnot, rather than because he jokes around? Last time I checked, the cards don't have a goddamn evil hobo in them.

[FLAME_ON]

Originally posted by Dead_living1981
I've seen some srt work of the new Joker look and I really like it. The character seems more real. The Chelsea smile it just perfect.

Excuse me?! Are you planning on sharing it with the rest of the class???

[Silverload]

Originally posted by Dead_living1981
I've seen some srt work of the new Joker look and I really like it. The character seems more real. The Chelsea smile it just perfect.
I don’t think so, like I said in another thread, it has been confirmed long ago that The Joker will not have a cut smile.

As for the description of him, I think it’s very interesting. I like that he wears clothes that might have been pieced together one at a time as he stole what he liked from his victims.

[InvaderZim]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
I love the idea and I'm really looking forward to seeing him all dressed up.

Im fully with Elder on this

[Shockwave]

I like it. It sounds like they are trying to make Joker a true counter to Batman. A Boogeyman that comes from the shadows.

A thought it would be kinda cool if Scarecrow had something to do with him. Like he was one of the inmates that got released at the end of the first film, and maybe Scarecrow experimented on him so much that Joker no longer has ANY fear.

[RandalGraves]

I'm really glad Nolan is going for a scary joker as opposed to a clownish one, he did a great job with scarecrow imo, the first time I saw scarecrow, i was blown away and scared a little to be honest. Batman Begins was amazing and I can't wait for the next!

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I like it. It sounds like they are trying to make Joker a true counter to Batman. A Boogeyman that comes from the shadows.

A thought it would be kinda cool if Scarecrow had something to do with him. Like he was one of the inmates that got released at the end of the first film, and maybe Scarecrow experimented on him so much that Joker no longer has ANY fear.

its sort of hinted at that, isnt it?

[Dead Halloween]

There's no need tho change The Joker's look.
He doesn't need to look like Freddy Krueger to be scary.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/otheaftermath/JokerBatman_lg_copy_copy1.jpg

[OpT!Mu5]

I think it will be in the vein of this look...maybe not so drastic, but who knows.

http://a-arca.uol.com.br/v2/images/gibi_news_joker_preview_02.jpg

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060604/jokercover.jpg

http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/bermejo_joker1.jpg

[bigred760]

I like the idea; I think the main thing is to separate this Joker from that of Jack Nicholson's take, which has become somewhat classic in its own right. Nolan knows what he's doing; I wasn't a big supporter of his casting choice, but I am warming up to it. I've been convinced (in other forums and threads) that the Joker needs to be scarier, and not so much funny. I'm really looking forward to how this thing turns out.

[Jig Saw 123]

I like the 2nd pic. The last looks nothing like the Joker.

[ElderPredator]

I'm so excited for this new look and attitude. I want him to be so creepy that when I see him in the theatre, I push back into my seat. :D

[Bonham]

Originally posted by DaveyJoeG
The Joker should have the fashion sense of Kakihara from Ichi the Killer.

http://www.lacoctelera.com/myfiles/netzkupe/ichi_the_killer.jpg

I would love to see this exact scene with the Joker in the middle. The clothes do work too.

[Dead_living1981]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
I think it will be in the vein of this look...maybe not so drastic, but who knows.

http://a-arca.uol.com.br/v2/images/gibi_news_joker_preview_02.jpg

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060604/jokercover.jpg

http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/bermejo_joker1.jpg

This is the look I would want. I love it. I know it would scare the shit out of my girlfriend....

[Silverload]

http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/bermejo_joker1.jpg

I’m sorry but that looks like shit, I’ve never liked it. It just isn’t the Joker. It’s trying way to hard to make him look scary. The Joker is an iconic villain, not a tacky scary movie freak.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Silverload
http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/bermejo_joker1.jpg

I’m sorry but that looks like shit, I’ve never liked it. It just isn’t the Joker. It’s trying way to hard to make him look scary. The Joker is an iconic villain, not a scary movie freak.

Cant those be the same.

[Silverload]

Whoops, meant to add "tacky " before scary

[InvaderZim]

Originally posted by Silverload
Whoops, meant to add "tacky " before scary

HAHAHAAHA Great avatar Silver!

[shawn-o]

Originally posted by Silverload
http://www.sequart.com/members/graphics/18/bermejo_joker1.jpg

I’m sorry but that looks like shit, I’ve never liked it. It just isn’t the Joker. It’s trying way to hard to make him look scary. The Joker is an iconic villain, not a tacky scary movie freak.

agreed

he looks like fuckin Leatherface

[CBfan]

Oh please, "leatherface". Come on. Last time I checked he is supposed to be demented. I say make him as hidious as possible so we don't notice its even Heath Ledger. Hell, put a catatonic mask (Vader or the Goblin) on him and I'll be happy. Maybe thats extreme, but you get my point. This guy is got to be "jacked up" not just paint on his face. Let'em do what they got to do.

[fooknasty]

God be with me because I am so excited for this movie I don't know what I'll do.....

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by CBfan
Oh please, "leatherface". Come on. Last time I checked he is supposed to be demented. I say make him as hidious as possible so we don't notice its even Heath Ledger. Hell, put a catatonic mask (Vader or the Goblin) on him and I'll be happy. Maybe thats extreme, but you get my point. This guy is got to be "jacked up" not just paint on his face. Let'em do what they got to do.

That guy doesn't look like the Joker, he looks like some dude with a huge venereal disease on his fucking lips.

He doesn't look like a JOKER. his name is THE JOKER, not "THE GUY WITH THE CRAZY LIPS".

[CBfan]

Lets not get out of control here. This picture is just an artist rendering of a potential look. But I will stick to what i was saying with the demented look.....actually what do you know what a venereal disease looks like on someones lips. God I hope you never seen someone like that.

[Jig Saw 123]

This is the real Joker....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/robin91939/jokerbermejomanip2copyar4.jpg

[Shockwave]

I want to see The Joker, not Freddy from Nightmare on Elm Street.:o


I do agree about not liking the pictures of him with the deformed mouth. He can be one fucked up bastard without making his face look like a jigsaw puzzle.

They pulled it off great in the original Batman, i see no need to change it.

[The Young Son]

Sounds great. I have complete faith that Nolan will make the perfect choice for the look.

I am so pumped for this movie.

[MrPhox]

When it comes to Batman -- I REALLY don't think Nolan can do any wrong.

Seriously, holy shit Begins was amazing!

[castlesave]

i like the direction these pics are going in but they are a bit extreme. i think we're gonna see a new look for the joker that hasnt really been used. im really glad they didnt rush this sequel along.

[Silverload]

This was reported at BOF:

*****Possible spoilers*****

"My son and I just returned from our second visit to the post office set this week and were fortunate enough to see Chris Nolan and Heath Ledger.

We got there in time for - what appeared to be - a bank robbery scene. There were a few clown-masked goons with pistols and machine guns, some gunfire, and screaming from the bank 'staff' and 'customers.' The next scene was a clown-masked character holding a pistol on a group of people. After the scene - or maybe it's part of it(?) - he takes off his mask and I'm 99% sure it was Ledger and definitely WITHOUT Joker makeup. Nolan was visible through the window sporting a long black coat and appeared to be moving very quickly. Couldn't get off any pics as they had some pretty strong lights pointing in our direction, probably just for that reason.

Production wrapped at around 7:30 CT. That's all for now, I'll continue to keep you posted."

And this picture was taken by someone else (Is it Nolan or Ledger?) :
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/joker1.jpg

[OpT!Mu5]

That's Nolan.

[horsehead]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
That's Nolan.

2nd'd. The images on the main site are peeking my interest that was already at an all time high (james bond)

[shawn-o]

Originally posted by CBfan
Oh please, "leatherface". Come on. Last time I checked he is supposed to be demented. I say make him as hidious as possible so we don't notice its even Heath Ledger. Hell, put a catatonic mask (Vader or the Goblin) on him and I'll be happy. Maybe thats extreme, but you get my point. This guy is got to be "jacked up" not just paint on his face. Let'em do what they got to do.

dude...your missing the whole point behind the joker...what made him terrifying wasnt because of scars and shit...its that he robbed and killed all with a huge smile on his face...if they just put scarring on his face and make him scary there turning him into a cliche...you guys may think that the whole cute smile thing is just too clowny but thats what made the joker so horrifying

[OpT!Mu5]

You guys probably already saw this...

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/jokerfirstpics1.jpg

Vague but still interesting.

[Dead Halloween]

Originally posted by shawn-o
dude...your missing the whole point behind the joker...what made him terrifying wasnt because of scars and shit...its that he robbed and killed all with a huge smile on his face...if they just put scarring on his face and make him scary there turning him into a cliche...you guys may think that the whole cute smile thing is just too clowny but thats what made the joker so horrifying

Exactly, The Joker doesn't need to look like a member of the Leatherface family to be scary. It's like giving Hanibal Lecter a burned face to make him look more menacing.
http://www.nohayrosasinespina.com/imagenes/full/joker.jpg

[AndrewDB]

Fuck yeah.. :D

I can't wait to see how Ledger plays a psychotic loon.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f9/Manwholaughs.jpg

I really want Joker to be psychotically dark and scary, like he was in The Killing Joke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke).

[EVILxxx]

A little underwhelming but not bad.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/jokerledger.JPG

(The pic is too big to post)

[HAMEZ]

thats it?

[cocksmokinclerk]

looks awesome, exactly what i was expecting

[OpT!Mu5]

I dunno how I feel about that...

It doesn't really look like Joker to me, just Ledger with green hair. And it's not because he is smiling or acting the part, I was just hoping that there would be more cosmetic make up on him I guess. Hopefully the official pic will make up for it. Damn you WB, release it already!

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
A little underwhelming but not bad.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/jokerledger.JPG

(The pic is too big to post)

Is that real? Looks kind of like a drawing.

[EVILxxx]

It's from 'ain't it cool' and joblo posted it as well. I'm guessing it's real.

[a7xfan]

one word. bollocks.

[adamjohnson]

I think it kicks ass, considering it's taken completely out of context.

[Jig Saw 123]

:eek: That looks so twisted, I hope thats the finale design. Nolan is probably gonna go into Jokers origins... :D

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
Nolan is probably gonna go into Jokers origins... :D


We can only hope....




The way I see this going down is this:

Nolan gave Ledger, The Killing Joke for source material because he's going to be replicating that almost exactly and then continuing on with his own version of The Joker.

If you haven't read The Killing Joke:


~-SPOILERS-~

The plot revolves around a largely psychological battle between Batman and his longtime foe, the Joker, who has escaped from Arkham Asylum. The Joker intends to drive James Gordon, the Police Commissioner of Gotham City, insane, in order to prove that the most upstanding citizen is capable of going mad after having "one bad day." Along the way, the Joker has flashbacks to his early life, gradually explaining his origin.

The man who will become the Joker is an unnamed engineer who quits his job at a chemical company to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant wife, he agrees to guide two criminals into the plant for a robbery. During the planning, the police come and inform him that his wife has just been electrocuted in a household accident involving an electric baby bottle heater. Grief-stricken, the engineer tries to withdraw from the plan, but the criminals strong-arm him into keeping his commitment to them.

At the plant, the criminals make him don a special mask to become the infamous Red Hood. Unknown to the engineer, this disguise is simply a way to implicate any accomplice as the mastermind of a crime to divert attention from themselves. Once inside, they almost immediately blunder into security personnel, and a violent shootout and chase ensue. The criminals are gunned down and the engineer finds himself confronted by Batman, who is investigating the disturbance.

In panicked desperation, the engineer deliberately jumps into the chemical plant's toxic waste catch-basin vat to escape Batman and is swept through a pipe leading to the outside. Once outside, he discovers, to his horror, that the chemicals have permanently bleached his skin chalk white, stained his lips ruby red and dyed his hair bright green. This turn of events, compounded by the man's misfortunes on that one day, cause him to go completely insane and result in the birth of the Joker.

In the present day, the Joker kidnaps Gordon, shoots and paralyzes his daughter Barbara, and imprisons him in a run-down amusement park, having his midget helpers strip him naked and caging him in the park's freak show. He then chains him to one of the park's rides and cruelly forces him to view giant pictures of his wounded daughter in various states of undress. Once Gordon completes the maddening gauntlet, the Joker ridicules him as an example of "the average man," a naïve weakling doomed to insanity. Batman arrives to save Gordon, and the Joker retreats into the funhouse. Gordon manages to stay sane despite the torture and insists that Batman capture the Joker "by the book." Batman enters the funhouse and faces the Joker's traps while the Joker tries to persuade his old foe that the world is inherently insane and thus not worth fighting for. Eventually, Batman tracks down the Joker and subdues him. Batman then attempts to reach out to him to give up crime and put a stop to their years-long war. The Joker refuses, however, ruefully saying "It's too late for that... Far too late" (possibly suggesting he does not want to return to sanity). He then tells Batman a joke that was started earlier in the comic, and the pair laugh together as police cars arrive.

----

If anyone wants a copy of it in CBR format, let me know.. I'll host it up somewhere.

[FLAME_ON]

I was hoping the Joker would have more of a clean-cut look, professional look; sort of a Patrick Bateman but with the signature white face, red lips, and green hair. It seems like he’s going to be some sort of disfigured hobo.

[Dogma]

Ok guys read the info before posting. It's an official non-official picture. How so? It's a make-up test? On a couple of films I've done I've had to sit through God knows how many tests.

Now maybe this is close to the final design but we're not going to know until seeing it in action or until WB give an 'Official' pic out.

[FLAME_ON]

Originally posted by Dogma
Ok guys read the info before posting. It's an official non-official picture. How so? It's a make-up test? On a couple of films I've done I've had to sit through God knows how many tests.

Now maybe this is close to the final design but we're not going to know until seeing it in action or until WB give an 'Official' pic out.

Oh I read all that, but like you said, I'm sure what we are seeing here is in the realm of what the final product will be; but it's NOT the final product... and it's not in character. I was just hoping for a more cleaner-cut version of the Joker.

[Bourne101]

http://joblo.com/newsimages1/AICNjoker.jpg

Nice!

[a7xfan]

another problem, i really hope the decide to do something with them scars ion his face, cos they look gay and very unrealistic, sure its a test, but who did you know that did a half assed job on a vitel make up test....

[shawn-o]

cool lookin! i like it! but is it Heath Ledger??

[cocksmokinclerk]

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386

turns out its not real, damn it! i thought it looked good

[outsyder]

That's impressive work.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by outsyder
That's impressive work.

Except for his six fingers.

[Dogma]

Going back to Official, I'm Officially not looking at anymore 'Joker' pics until it has a title involving WB reveal...

[Jig Saw 123]

Damn, and it looked so good...

[cocksmokinclerk]

Originally posted by Dogma
Going back to Official, I'm Officially not looking at anymore 'Joker' pics until it has a title involving WB reveal...

that sounds like a plan to me

[Silverload]

Once again , THANK GOD IT'S A FAKE!

Also, why does everyone want him to have a cut smile? I think the Chelsea grin is just so fucking stupid and has no place on the Joker. The Joker doesn’t mutilate himself (or whatever). The Joker is an iconic character with a legendary image, and there is no need whatsoever to rip off Kakihara from Ichi The Killer to “improve” on that image.

I know with this being Nolan he can get away with murder because in the end he is sure to make a damn good movie, but I think (I hope) he will have more respect for the character.

[Jig Saw 123]

Atleast its not a fixed one... cough... Tim Burton:p

[Silverload]

Originally posted by Xehirut
We can only hope....




The way I see this going down is this:

Nolan gave Ledger, The Killing Joke for source material because he's going to be replicating that almost exactly and then continuing on with his own version of The Joker.

The Killing Joke is just inspiration. Nolan has said that TDK’s Joker is going to be more akin to his original appearance in the comics, which is sort of similar to how he is in The Animated Universe (Bruce Timm‘s & Paul Dini‘s Universe). Nolan has also been giving The Long Halloween credit for it’s influence on him.

[Silverload]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
Atleast its not a fixed one... cough... Tim Burton:p

I disagree, I think Nicholson’s Joker was spot on. It was definitely more respectful to the character then all these Kakihara Joker manips we’ve been seeing pop up.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Silverload
I disagree, I think Nicholson’s Joker was spot on. It was definitely more respectful to the character then all these Kakihara Joker manips we’ve been seeing pop up.

That of course, depends on which era you focus on.

And Idont know how you can say its more respectful, when Burton butchered his backstory to suit the plot.

[Silverload]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
And Idont know how you can say its more respectful, when Burton butchered his backstory to suit the plot.

I don’t care too much for the whole “Joker killed Batman’s parents” angle either, but I do prefer Burton’s Joker origin story over The Killing Joke‘s.

Though, that‘s not what I mean when I say Nicholson’s Joker was respectful. What I’m mainly talking about is the character of the Joker, not so much the back story between him and Batman, and Nicholson did a fantastic job brining that character to life. Not only that but his appearance was dead on as well. Nicholson’s Joker is certainly one of the better comic book villains brought to the screen, despite the that one fuck up with his past.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/batman/jack_nicholson/batman5.jpg

[Danger^Cart]

Nicholson's Joker was absolutely terrible. Backstory, mannerisms, delivery, LOOK...it was all insulting.

As far as my preferred backstory, I like the the one from Mask of the Phantasm which is, coincidentally, the best Batman film to date. I like the idea of Joker simply being a low-level mob enforcer before the accident. It's subtle, menacing, and dripping with implied violence.

Former comedian? Eh...not so much.

[Silverload]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Nicholson's Joker was absolutely terrible. Backstory, mannerisms, delivery, LOOK...it was all insulting.

This is where we bunt heads. Nicholson’s Joker was ace IMO.

But I don’t get the hate that spawned for Batman 89’ once Batman Begins was announced. The 89’ version use to be held as one of the few comic book movie to get it right.

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
As far as my preferred backstory, I like the the one from Mask of the Phantasm which is, coincidentally, the best Batman film to date. I like the idea of Joker simply being a low-level mob enforcer before the accident. It's subtle, menacing, and dripping with implied violence.

Former comedian? Eh...not so much.

Mask of the Phantasm is brilliant and no one will top Mark Hamill.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Nicholson's Joker was absolutely terrible. Backstory, mannerisms, delivery, LOOK...it was all insulting.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Nicholsons Joker was/is one of the my favorite villian performances of all time! He OWNED that role.:cool:

Even after all this time, hes still the best comic book villian to come to the big screen. ( Doc Ock is pretty close for me, however.)

[dellamorte dellamore]

Just ask yourself this , when you think of comic book movie villians , who comes to mind straight away , most times it will be Nicholson's Joker . The Power ranger goblin ( who was simply a ripoff of Nic's Joker ) , Scarecrow , Spacey's Luthor , and any number of other villians never really left their mark , because they were generic . Nic's Joker is still one of the most influencial comic book movie villian creations till this day , and most of the others pale in comparison .


I admit , he was a bit too goofy at times and silly to take seriously , but Nic commanded the screen and provided a terrific , dynamic counterpoint to Batman's pathos . Now if Burton toned down the wimsy a bit , i would say that Nic's Joker would have been perfect ( i still can't acceot that long ass gun , jeez ) . This is still the standard right now , prob the most effective , intimidating , compelling , and downright charismatic comic book film villian ever created .



I don't see Ledger making anyone forget about Nic's perf anytime soon , but i'm sure he's not going to play him as goofy , but no matter , i seriously don't see this version of the joker leaving as large a footprint or having as much influence as Nic's . And it's not just acting , it's the gravitas , the presence , the grandiose nature of Nicholson's personality that lend itself so well to the joker .


These are " qualities ' Ledger doesn't seem to have , i simply don't see him as a credible threat to Bale's version of Batman . I felt the only real villian , the only effective one BB was Rha Gul , mainly because the actor who played him , Liam neeson , has a natural intimidating presence . Scarecrow , turned out to be generic , like he wasn't even there , and that crime boss was an embarrasing caricature that couldn't be taken seriously ( was he supposed to be a mobster with a speech impediment ? ) .



You need someone who you could believe can strike fear into the heart of Batman , can frustrate him , unsettle him , rattle him , only Rha Gul did that in BB ( yeah Scarecrow did that to a certain extent , but it was only a cheap trick surprise because of that toxin ) , i don't see Ledger doing that in DK . I still say they chose the wrong guy , and who isn't automatically going to be thinking of Nicholson when ledger giggles for the first time or smiles or whatever .


I don't know , villians are emasculated now , there simply a necessary narrative device to play off the good guys now , in comic book movies that is , most of the recent ones have been underwhelming , and i don't see it changing anytime soon .

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore
Just ask yourself this , when you think of comic book movie villians , who comes to mind straight away , most times it will be Nicholson's Joker . The Power ranger goblin ( who was simply a ripoff of Nic's Joker ) , Scarecrow , Spacey's Luthor , and any number of other villians never really left their mark , because they were generic . Nic's Joker is still one of the most influencial comic book movie villian creations till this day , and most of the others pale in comparison .


I admit , he was a bit too goofy at times and silly to take seriously , but Nic commanded the screen and provided a terrific , dynamic counterpoint to Batman's pathos . Now if Burton toned down the wimsy a bit , i would say that Nic's Joker would have been perfect ( i still can't acceot that long ass gun , jeez ) . This is still the standard right now , prob the most effective , intimidating , compelling , and downright charismatic comic book film villian ever created .



I don't see Ledger making anyone forget about Nic's perf anytime soon , but i'm sure he's not going to play him as goofy , but no matter , i seriously don't see this version of the joker leaving as large a footprint or having as much influence as Nic's . And it's not just acting , it's the gravitas , the presence , the grandiose nature of Nicholson's personality that lend itself so well to the joker .


These are " qualities ' Ledger doesn't seem to have , i simply don't see him as a credible threat to Bale's version of Batman . I felt the only real villian , the only effective one BB was Rha Gul , mainly because the actor who played him , Liam neeson , has a natural intimidating presence . Scarecrow , turned out to be generic , like he wasn't even there , and that crime boss was an embarrasing caricature that couldn't be taken seriously ( was he supposed to be a mobster with a speech impediment ? ) .



You need someone who you could believe can strike fear into the heart of Batman , can frustrate him , unsettle him , rattle him , only Rha Gul did that in BB ( yeah Scarecrow did that to a certain extent , but it was only a cheap trick surprise because of that toxin ) , i don't see Ledger doing that in DK . I still say they chose the wrong guy , and who isn't automatically going to be thinking of Nicholson when ledger giggles for the first time or smiles or whatever .


I don't know , villians are emasculated now , there simply a necessary narrative device to play off the good guys now , in comic book movies that is , most of the recent ones have been underwhelming , and i don't see it changing anytime soon .

No one's talking about Jack's performance per se, they're talking about the way the character is writtem, and how he looks.

Jack's Joker was ALWAYS smiling, which believe it or not, isn't quite right.

[castlesave]

loved burton's joker. i was 7 when that movie came out but i just remember watching the part where she throws the water in his face in the art gallery. when he covers his face like he's in pain then he shows his face with the paint running and says boo. that laugh he does was friggin perfect. a great villian

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Silverload
This is where we bunt heads. Nicholson’s Joker was ace IMO.

But I don’t get the hate that spawned for Batman 89’ once Batman Begins was announced. The 89’ version use to be held as one of the few comic book movie to get it right.


Oh, you misunderstand. I love Batman '89. I think it's a great movie. It's just not a great Batman movie. I also really love watching Jack dance around and act silly, but see, that's exactly what his performance is. It's Jack acting as silly as possible, which just isn't the Joker.

I'm not one of those who claims Begins is perfect, either. It's far from. As I said, It's not even my favorite Batman movie.

[AndrewDB]

Heh, I made a huge thread for us to discuss various facets of those who've portrayed Joker in the Batman Genre area.

Hopefully we can dissect each and every one, then compare Ledger's performance. :)

[echo_bravo]

Phew

Thank GOD that was a hoax. I think Nolan is going to make the Joker look really demented.

Trust In Nolan

[Shockwave]

BATMAN BEYOND: RETURN OF THE JOKER (the uncut edition) is probably one of the best Joker stories ive seen in awhile.

Im hoping they keep his suit a bright purple with the flower, and not try and go all black or anything. How "loud" the Joker always dressed made him stand out in the dark city of Gotham.

[Boner X-Ray]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Im hoping they keep his suit a bright purple with the flower.
I'm highly doubting a bright purple. Some sort of purple would be nice though.

[The Young Son]

Those test shots of The Joker look awesome. It's not too over the top, nor is it underplayed. It's got that realism to it that Nolan does so well, plus it retains the look of the Joker. I think he will be fucking mean when he's doing his psycho thing. Bring it on.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by The Young Son
Those test shots of The Joker look awesome. It's not too over the top, nor is it underplayed. It's got that realism to it that Nolan does so well, plus it retains the look of the Joker. I think he will be fucking mean when he's doing his psycho thing. Bring it on.

It was fake.

[Dr.Frankenstein]

I think....no...I know Heath Ledger will make a creepy Joker in the next Batman film....but I would like to throw out my pick for this role before Heath's casting...Matt Lillard...remember Matt? sure ya do ..Shaggy from the Scooby Doo movies...and one half of the freaked out killer duo from the film Scream! ....Heck, I still remember back in 1988 the talk goin' around concerning casting for the role of The Joker in the Tim Burton Batman film-David Bowie-Willem DaFoe-James Woods and of course the winner-Jack Nicholson...he wasn't bad in the role....but in my opinion..not the best pick of the pack...anyhow,anxious to see Heath Ledger's portrayal in the Dark Knight's next flick!

[The Young Son]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
It was fake.
Okay. Moving on. :p

[dellamorte dellamore]

Originally posted by castlesave
loved burton's joker. i was 7 when that movie came out but i just remember watching the part where she throws the water in his face in the art gallery. when he covers his face like he's in pain then he shows his face with the paint running and says boo. that laugh he does was friggin perfect. a great villian


That entire sequence of events in the art gallery was perfect , save for the , oh well , no need to mention the prince song and dance . It's iconic , right from the point when he pretended he was melting ( stupid me , i thought he was somehow at the time ) , straight through to Batman making his grand skylight entrance , and all the way through to the batcave approach on that desolate road . And yessum , it's Nicholson who makes all those things better , because even when he wasn't around , you felt his presence , you always knew what Batman was up against , Nic's Joker casted a large shadow . I seriously don't see Ledger commanding that type of attention or having such an impact , his charisma will most def come , not from his perf per say , but simply because he is playing the Joker . Remember in BB , when Scarecrow wasn't around , he was quickly forgotten , same goes for Falconi , and i couldn't really care if they showed up again , not so with Bat 89's Joker , i couldn't wait until he showed up again , i doubt i'll feel the same this time around , although , if i do , it will most likely be curiosity .


Now i do agree that Nicholson was let loose to do his thing on occasion and the menacing nature he created suffered for it , but overall his was the most effective villian in a comic book type film , allright , i would say he's tied with Liam Neeson's Ghul , they both nailed it , i actually believed they were credible threats to Batman / Bruce Wayne . Don't get me wrong , i think Ledger has the talent and skills to make an effective Joker , but i still feel there will be something missing , and i think he's misscast .

[chinton]

I don't agree at all. I felt it when Scarecrow wasn't around. Scarecrow rocked.

[OpT!Mu5]

and i think he's misscast .

Time will tell.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by OpT!Mu5
Time will tell.

Agreed. If you go way back to his first appearance, the casting makes perfect sense.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Phew

Thank GOD that was a hoax. I think Nolan is going to make the Joker look really demented.

Trust In Nolan

You know, you can only say "trust in Nolan" for so long before my Photoshop hand gets itchy.


A gift for you boys. Call it a rubber stamp for future issues when those on the boards lose faith ;)


http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d40/under_electriclite/InNolanweTrust.jpg

[MrPhox]

*saves image to desktop*

that is slick.

[Gregorious8]

I'm completely satisfied with the Heath Ledger casting. The man does have a maniacal grin that is perfect.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Phew

Thank GOD that was a hoax. I think Nolan is going to make the Joker look really demented.

Trust In Nolan
Probably not TOO demented... I'm sure Nolan won't be shy about showing his dark side, but keep in mind he also seems to be going for a grounded and realistic take on the Batman universe. I don't think he'll be too twisted and grotesque. Still creepy as hell though, I'm hoping.

Trust in Nolan

[Shockwave]

Jokers face is already fucked up, he doesnt need any extra scarring.:o

[APzombie]

yea i wouldn't expect things to get out of hand. I mean we'll be lucky with a white face and semi green hair. Remember Nolan was in favor of the scarecrow not even having a mask, Goyer was the one who insisted on its addition to Batman Begins.

[venom718]

i jus wanna c the way joker will look in the movie.a sneak peak or sumthn.im so hyped for this movie that ive become impatient.i wanna c how the joker looks NOW!!!cant wait for this movie!!!!!!!!!!!