The Official The Dark Knight Thread

[Jig Saw 123]

Since The Dark Knight began filming we will be getting new photos and casting announcements and even more rumors..

Cast Update:
William Fichtner will be a bank manager...


Heres a few pictures:

Heath Ledger with green hair....
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/closeup2.jpg


Joker's gang mask....
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s107/pictaker1975/DSC01439.jpg



Gotham Bank:
http://www.superherohype.com/gallery/Batman/The_Dark_Knight/The_Movie/On_Set/virtualchuckbat26.jpg


Joker's School Bus:
http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/chitowncobblepotset2.jpg

[FLAME_ON]

AHHH!!! :eek:

The thread has started!
(Hold up glass and makes a toast)
Here's to not having a life anymore because you'll be checking this thread every other second until July 18, 2008! (at least I know I will)

[FLAME_ON]

And BTW... is it me or does that coat Ledger is wearing look purple??

[bigred760]

Well . . . I'm glad it's "official" now. Pretty cool looking pictures. It doesn't look like Ledger's face has anything wrong with it so either it's pre-makeup or he's still pre-Joker (if there's an origin story involved).

And William Fichtner rocks!!

[Billyc407]

Looks great. I can't wait. Also the last 2 pictures aren't showing up for me.

[Solomon Grundy]

Very cool. I wonder when we'll get an official first look at the movie, and more specifically, The Joker.

[fooknasty]

Mother of God....:eek:

[Thrizzle]

This movie is going to be so badass.

[Jig Saw 123]

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7880/03220711471hj0.jpg



http://deadlinepublishing.typepad.com/fighting_the_suburbs/images/2007/04/17/gotham1.jpg

[AndrewDB]

Damn I was just rushing to the site to post this.. :(


Oh well glad to see its already up. :)

[ElderPredator]

Hey Jigsaw,

I really appreciate your efforts and everything but I just have a quick request. Please don't post photos right at the beginning of the thread that are spoilers. In the future, could you just give a little bit of warning before showing them cause when I came on the thread, they're the first thing I saw.

Thanks for the efforts though bud!

:cool:

[FLAME_ON]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
Hey Jigsaw,

I really appreciate your efforts and everything but I just have a quick request. Please don't post photos right at the beginning of the thread that are spoilers. In the future, could you just give a little bit of warning before showing them cause when I came on the thread, they're the first thing I saw.

Thanks for the efforts though bud!

:cool:

Come on Elder... you know you wanted a little peek ;)

[ElderPredator]

Originally posted by FLAME_ON
Come on Elder... you know you wanted a little peek ;)

Sure but I'd just like the choice to see it and not have it thrown in my face right away. I hate being spoiled! :D

I know it's not the clearest photo but I'm terrible when it comes to this stuff. Sorry Jigsaw! ;)

[ElderPredator]

I will say though that it is AWESOME to see the Tumbler back in action. I heard that they made 10 Tumblers for this movie due to the big action scenes. Wow! :cool:

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123

Cast Update:
William Fichtner will be a bank manager...

hadnt thought about it, but he'd make a sweet Joker.

[ElderPredator]

William Fichtner Rules! :D

[ElderPredator]

It's no big deal Jigsaw, I just don't want other people to get pissed at you or anything. You're an awesome schmoe! :cool:

[Jig Saw 123]

its cool. thanks for the heads up...

[ElderPredator]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
its cool. thanks for the heads up...

No problem dude, I've made the same mistake before. :rolleyes:

Thanks bud!

[APzombie]

Whew! What an unexpected suprise, considering I checked Batman-on-film this morning and this picture didn't show up.

Glad they are keeping the green hair, I think they also added The Joker's widow's peak to Leadger. It's alot sooner than I thought that we would see the first glimpses of the characters, esspecially Heath Leadger.

William Fichtner is a great addition.

[bourahioro]

nanananananananananananananananaaaaBATMAAAAAAN!



sorry.

[DarkKnight81]

Well first of all its good to be back on the boards and secondly I am thrilled to see this movie has started filming. Everything looks top notch so far, hopefully the official pics will start coming in soon.

[Dead Halloween]

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7880/03220711471hj0.jpg

I was hoping the Batmobile to look more "Bat" in this sequel. It's a cool car, but it doesn't look like a batmobile.

[Danger^Cart]

Well, taking into account Nolan's Batman is as practical as possible, the tumbler makes perfect sense.

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by Dead Halloween

I was hoping the Batmobile to look more "Bat" in this sequel. It's a cool car, but it doesn't look like a batmobile.

Nolan said he didn't want to go over the top with the series because he firmly believes that killed the series to begin with. He wants it be realistic, and I for one, support Batman's new director's decisions 100%.

A car looking like a bat would be horribly, horribly lame. :/

[AndrewDB]

WOAH WOAH WOAH.. HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE..


Wikipedia..:


While many fans suggested that Hamill be chosen to reprise the role in live-action form for the upcoming The Dark Knight (2008) - the sequel to Batman Begins (2005) - Heath Ledger was ultimately cast. However, they did in fact use Mark's voice.


MARK HAMILL IS DOING THE VOICE OF THE JOKER?!!?!?!?! :eek:


Can anyone confirm this?

*Squeel*

[Danger^Cart]

I seriously, seriously doubt that. You can't really rely on Wikipedia, as it's openly edited by fans.

I just couldn't see that working. Sparingly using Clancy Brown as the voice of Big Bad Harv is one thing. That'd be easy to do. But dubbing over Heath as he looks into the camera is something entirely different.

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
I just couldn't see that working.

You mean you can't remember Mark Hammel's utterly awesome voice performance in the 1990's Batman cartoon?.. Shame.. His rendition of the Joker's voice/laugh is probably my absolute favorite.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

I maybe, maybe see Hamill doing some high-pitched additions to the vocal work that Ledger couldn't do, but I highly doubt it. Like Danger said, unless it's been years ago and is a confirmed fact, never trust wikipedia. Does it even cite a source?

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by Xehirut


MARK HAMILL IS DOING THE VOICE OF THE JOKER?!!?!?!?! :eek:



Not the worst idea in the world to have him do the voice over for the laugh but I dont see this happening.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Xehirut
You mean you can't remember Mark Hammel's utterly awesome voice performance in the 1990's Batman cartoon?.. Shame.. His rendition of the Joker's voice/laugh is probably my absolute favorite.

No, that would work fine. In fact, if I had my way, Mark Hamill would be playing the Joker. What doesn't is his voice dubbed over Ledgers. It would look stupid.

I guess they could use him for some off-camera laughs. That would be awesome.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
No, that would work fine. In fact, if I had my way, Mark Hamill would be playing the Joker. What doesn't is his voice dubbed over Ledgers. It would look stupid.

I agree; let Ledger have the whole kit n' caboodle, from the face to the voice and the laugh. Dubbing over the voice, even if it is the great Mark Hamill and his voice-over talents, is a very dumb idea.

[yorrick brown]

so harvey dent doesn`t turn into two face in this?jokers the main bad guy right.what about scarecrow is he having a cameo

[MrPhox]

Originally posted by Xehirut
Nolan said he didn't want to go over the top with the series because he firmly believes that killed the series to begin with.

What? No one liked the "Bat-bombs" from Batman and Robin!?

hahha...oh man. Nolan kicks so much ass. Between Batman and Iron Man next year...I'm psyched for superhero movies.

[fooknasty]

If this is anything like the first one, I will love it. I would like to see a majority of the supporting cast come back as well too. I guess within the next two months we will know for sure who is coming back....

[The Heart Collector]

Originally posted by Xehirut
WOAH WOAH WOAH.. HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE..


Wikipedia..:


While many fans suggested that Hamill be chosen to reprise the role in live-action form for the upcoming The Dark Knight (2008) - the sequel to Batman Begins (2005) - Heath Ledger was ultimately cast. However, they did in fact use Mark's voice.


MARK HAMILL IS DOING THE VOICE OF THE JOKER?!!?!?!?! :eek:


Can anyone confirm this?

*Squeel*

I can confirm that anyone can edit wikipedia to their liking.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by yorrick brown
so harvey dent doesn`t turn into two face in this?jokers the main bad guy right.what about scarecrow is he having a cameo

I think that's one of the big mysteries of this movie, Nolan or Murphy won't say either way and probably never will. Therefore, my guess would be yes, he's in it.

[Boner X-Ray]

I've read a couple places that Morgan Freeman is indeed in the movie. I don't remember this ever being confirmed.

Please just take me to 2008 already!!!!!!

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Xehirut
WOAH WOAH WOAH.. HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE..


Wikipedia..:


While many fans suggested that Hamill be chosen to reprise the role in live-action form for the upcoming The Dark Knight (2008) - the sequel to Batman Begins (2005) - Heath Ledger was ultimately cast. However, they did in fact use Mark's voice.


MARK HAMILL IS DOING THE VOICE OF THE JOKER?!!?!?!?! :eek:


Can anyone confirm this?

*Squeel*
It's crap, don't believe a word of it.

I've also seen Morgan Freeman's name listed a few places as a returning cast member, I really hope he comes back for The Dark Knight.

Also, this movie is going to fucking rule.

All for now.

[APzombie]

INTERESTING NEWS- BIG SPOILERS

so William Fichtner is a huge NHL fan, he has a blog on an NHL fan site, which he updated earlier. Here's a snippet....

So I’m really looking forward to this one tonight especially because I didn’t see the last game. Now before you start to wonder if I’m a true fan or not, I have to say it was a last-minute thing. In fact I just got back from Chicago, because a director friend of mine asked a favor: to shoot the opening scene in his film, last minute. He called Saturday, and I told him, “you’re killing me,” but it’s cool and I love working on cool things. I got home at like two in the morning, I’ve had my nose to the grindstone, it was actually first time I ever used the internet on my handheld, when I was checking scores to stay up-to-date. I’m really looking forward to tonight.

Looks like the Joker's Bank heist is the opening scene of The Dark Knight fellas.

LINK (http://fans.nhl.com/william_fichtner/home/)

[APzombie]

here's a video of filming earlier today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh8rn0JAyO0&eurl=

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by APzombie
here's a video of filming earlier today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh8rn0JAyO0&eurl=

Anyone know what exactly we're looking at here?

[APzombie]

MY GUESS:

they are practicing for a stunt. They are using a red rig (likely the same weight as a human) to swing down to the bank so the helicopter pilot can get adjusted to follow it, and learn how to capture the angle the best way possible, as well as to see if it will safely work. Most likely, a Batman stunt double will swing down from the taller building and into the bank (batman, following a call to get to the bank due to The Joker's robbery, uses the grappling thingy to swing into action).

I imagine we'll see some Batman pictures from that swing in the next couple of days.

[Danger^Cart]

A smart man, thou art.

[Silverload]

I’m pretty sure the red bags are representing The Joker and a Goon making their getaway (or was it two goons?). A spy report talked about this a week or so ago and that video pretty much confirms it.

[gyro_44]

I can't believe how much news and shit for this movie has been coming in the past week. The blitzkreig has begun.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I imagine he's going to show everyone how a real bank heist is done , not like the ones in Spiderman 2 and BF ( still love that one even if it is comical ) , although i know i'll be getting flashbacks .

[Danger^Cart]

I wonder to what extent Nolan is going to portray Joker's sociopathy. Do you think he'll have the nuts to show Joker executing hostages?

God I hope so.

[Silverload]

I’m sure we will see The Joker kill, but I don’t think we will ever see him go “Patrick Bateman”. This is a PG-13 movie after all.

[Danger^Cart]

Well...what are the restrictions for in insenuating violence? Like, what if Joker is pointing a gun at some kneeling hostages head, and then the camera slowly climbes from the barrel of the gun to Jokers face, and he smiles as he pulls the trigger? Could Nolan get away with that?

Nolan is obviously taking the character to his sadistic, ultra-violent roots. I'm just wondering exactly how far he's willing to take that.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

I'm pretty sure you can be pretty damn sadistic as long as it's off-screen.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Well...what are the restrictions for in insenuating violence? Like, what if Joker is pointing a gun at some kneeling hostages head, and then the camera slowly climbes from the barrel of the gun to Jokers face, and he smiles as he pulls the trigger? Could Nolan get away with that?

Nolan is obviously taking the character to his sadistic, ultra-violent roots. I'm just wondering exactly how far he's willing to take that.

I guess it depends on what kind of rating he wants. Batman Begins was PG-13, and I'm betting Warner Bros. would like to continue that trend. I think Nolan could get away with that particular scenario you described; if horror movies can get away with PG-13 stuff, don't see why Nolan couldn't too.

[Danger^Cart]

I know he could TECHNICALLY get away with it, but I'm not so sure he's willing to do it. Even Begins was pretty family friendly.

[APzombie]

DO NOT CLICK HERE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE A CLOSE STILL OF HEATH AS THE JOKER (http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/HeathJoker1watermarked.jpg)

Wow. Looks different/badass/crazy/scary. This is from AICN (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32380) and apparently this is what he'll look like at the beginning, rumor is that he'll get more and more sinister/clownier as the film runs.

I agree with Harry though. Looks a bit much like The Crow.

Hopefully it'll work. As it is i'm digging it.

[Danger^Cart]

Meh...that's pretty disappointing. I'm really surprised they went with the whole "cut smile" dealio," and even more surprised by how half-assed it look. You'd think if they decided to run with that, they'd committ a little more. Like make them huge gashes instead of small black lines that look like they were painted on (like..well, The Crow).

Color me extremely underwhelmed.

[Silverload]

I seriously hope that isn’t real. If it is then consider my interest in this film officially killed. :(

[Silverload]

THANK GOD!!!

It is fake, here is original:

http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/candy.gif

EDIT: The image is from a movie called Candy

[APzombie]

whew.

[Danger^Cart]

Fucking AICN. What a bunch of fucktards.

[APzombie]

AHHHHH!

They are at it again! (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386)

Know what? I believe them. I believe the last picture was a photoshop, but done by the production team to pla around with what The Joker could look like.

This test shot fits every description anyone on board has said. And despite it all, i love it!

[APzombie]

then again, i doubt Nolan and the team could let that slip through their fingers so easily. Still, if this is the way he'll look i'm happy.

[FLAME_ON]

Is the second one even Ledger or someone else trying out the make-up?

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by APzombie
They are at it again! (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32386)


This one has a bit more credibility behind it, and actually looks like Ledger.. Still looks like The Crow though.

[Dead Halloween]

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/8759/jokerledger1jo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ugh! I really hope that's not how The Joker would look like. :mad:

The Joker is not supposed to be some pretty emo goth who had razors for breakfast.

[gyro_44]

Guys, I'm pretty sure those images (if they are indeed real) are just TEST SHOTS. Why else would he be holding up a color chart? The movie just went into production and is still over a year away from release, so I think it would be smart to assume this is NOT the final look of The Joker. It might be the direction they are going, but honestly until I see a clip or shot of Ledger in action, then I'm going to reserve judgement.

By the way, I'm not even 100% sure that IS Ledger.

[Silverload]

All this talk and rumors of Joker is driving me nuts. So I had to dig up this to temporarily satisfy my Joker-mania for the day. 'Warning: Batman Beyond Return of the Joker Spoilers, but still worth checking out even if you haven't seen it':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JEa71aS3oU

[APzombie]

Nice clip!

alright. Today was fun. haha. Hype like this doesn't come too often, those two photo's looked good to me. I'm not sure if Nolan will have the cut smile or what but i was pretty sold on the look, with the exception of the blue eyes in the second picture and the black make-up around the eyes. in both.

I have to give a hand to the guy who did these photoshop jobs. Fucking brilliant work, not only in realistic rendering, but by printing out the second and making a second hand picture of it, as well as keeping his mouth shut for nearly 15 hours while fans accross the net were praising and cursing Nolan's film for how Heath looked.

http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/HeathJoker1-1watermarked.jpg
http://www.worstpreviews.com/images/candy.gif

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/gregsmallwood/fakepic2.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/gregsmallwood/source1.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/gregsmallwood/source2.jpg

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by Dead Halloween
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7880/03220711471hj0.jpg

I was hoping the Batmobile to look more "Bat" in this sequel. It's a cool car, but it doesn't look like a batmobile.

It looks smaller than in the movie.

[HAMEZ]

I have a bunch of pictures from shooting that went on today that i got froms omeone on another forum, if someone wants to help me post pictures IM me at KingJames1086 andi'll send you the link...

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by HAMEZ
I have a bunch of pictures from shooting that went on today that i got froms omeone on another forum, if someone wants to help me post pictures IM me at KingJames1086 andi'll send you the link...

Just upload them to Photobucket (http://photobucket.com), it's a free photo host. :)




Also, I created a massive thread about the joker and the various voices behind him, in the batman genre boards, so we can discuss just the joker in it, and get back to discussing the probabilities of what may or may not happen in this movie in this thread. :)

[APzombie]

Apparently a fire erupted on set. The post office (aka. Gotham Bank) had there ventalation system kaput. it made a hefty amount of smoke but nobody was injured and it caused minimum damage.

http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/batmanfireset6.jpg
http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/batmanfireset1.jpg
http://superherohype.com/nextraimages/batmanfireset2.jpg

and no, it's not part of the film.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5563

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by APzombie
no, it's not part of the film.




Even if it isn't part of the film, it sure makes great publicity for the film. :D

[HAMEZ]

http://i12.tinypic.com/2qkmrz5.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/47k2q8h.jpg
http://i14.tinypic.com/4719iqr.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/2qunmnk.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/3zqx5ia.jpg
annnd pics of the fire
http://i14.tinypic.com/2s6sg9w.jpg
http://i19.tinypic.com/2hxbuqs.jpg

if he posts anymore pictures i'll get them up here asap.

[Jig Saw 123]

I have one question... What will be the Jokers real name?

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
I have one question... What will be the Jokers real name?

Probably Jack Napier as thats the 'cannon' story line name that Bob Kane would of wanted.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by Xehirut
Probably Jack Napier as thats the 'cannon' story line name that Bob Kane would of wanted.

Eh! Try again, that's just some name Tim Burton gave him.

[The Young Son]

I hope the opening scene is indeed the Joker doing a bank heist. For those who want Joker executions, keep your hopes up. I think its possible because Nolan says this film will be even darker than the first. Here's hoping.

[Jig Saw 123]

If hes taking some ideas from The Killing Joke then he could use the name Joe Kerr. But thats to close to Joe Chill...

[Jig Saw 123]

Spoilers!!!!!














http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/batmaluco2/Ledger_Joker_clown_mask.jpg

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Eh! Try again, that's just some name Tim Burton gave him.

Are you sure?

Because Penguin calls Joker, Jack in the comics..

[FLAME_ON]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
Spoilers!!!!!














http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a287/batmaluco2/Ledger_Joker_clown_mask.jpg

AHH!! I want to know the background info for these pictures!
Is he the Joker yet? Is he not?
If he is, then why wear the mask?
If he isn't, then why does he have green hair? (or is that just weird lighting?)

:confused:... I hate my addiction to Upcoming Movie Talk

[gyro_44]

He's obviously not The Joker yet, apparently this bank heist scene takes place at the beginning of the movie. He's pre-Joker.

[FLAME_ON]

Originally posted by gyro_44
He's obviously not The Joker yet, apparently this bank heist scene takes place at the beginning of the movie. He's pre-Joker.

Then whats with the green hair? ... Thats whats throwing me off here.
*SPOILERS*










That and the fact that he's already established as the Joker by the end of BB isn't he?

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by FLAME_ON
Then whats with the green hair? ... Thats whats throwing me off here.
*SPOILERS*










That and the fact that he's already established as the Joker by the end of BB isn't he?


He doesn't have green hair, at least, he doesn't on my 2001 FP LCD monitor...

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by FLAME_ON
Then whats with the green hair? ... Thats whats throwing me off here.
*SPOILERS*










That and the fact that he's already established as the Joker by the end of BB isn't he?

True but he could just be using the Joker as a criminal alias and this part of the movie could be prior to any accident that actually leaves him deformed.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by Xehirut
Are you sure?

Because Penguin calls Joker, Jack in the comics..

The name Jack has been tossed around with his character but the last name Napier is definitely something Tim Burton made up.

[APzombie]

to be honest i think the pictures of him in front of the trailer was altered to have green hair. Because the entirety of what they are shooting in Chicago this week is pre-accident Joker. Unless they are doing quick snippets here and there.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by APzombie
to be honest i think the pictures of him in front of the trailer was altered to have green hair. Because the entirety of what they are shooting in Chicago this week is pre-accident Joker. Unless they are doing quick snippets here and there.

Or he could have possibly been at the trailer for a make up test since he said in a recent interview that he had yet to do a makeup test which is cutting it close considering they are filming already. But then again, why would they be dumb enough to let him just walk around outside with his makeup on when they are trying to be so secretive about it.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

He looks kind of like Layne Staley during that time period when he was dying his hair every color he could.

[The Madd Villai]

Originally posted by gyro_44
He's obviously not The Joker yet, apparently this bank heist scene takes place at the beginning of the movie. He's pre-Joker.

SPOILERS, bitch!!!

Alright, here's the deal. If we really do see a "pre-Joker Joker," it will have nothing to do with this bank heist scene. According to some sides that were released from the script when the initial casting call went out, we won't see The Joker's face in this scene, but he does unmask himself to the Bank Manager, so it would seem appropriate for Ledger to atleast have green hair, but full make-up would clearly be unnecessary. Here's the portion of the script in question:

INT. BANK - DAY

The MASK-WEARING THUG stuffs cash into his bag as the wounded BANK MANAGER watches him.

BANK MANAGER
You have any idea who you're stealing from? You and your friends are dead.

The thug isn't bothered.

BANK MANAGER (CONT'D)
You idiot. What makes you think the guy who hired you isn't going to kill you, too?

The Thug STOPS. Crouches over him. In the distance: SIRENS.

GENTLE VOICE
Call it a hunch.

The man PULLS off his MASK. The Bank Manager GASPS, horrified at the face staring back at him.

GENTLE VOICE (CONT'D)
It's rude to stare.

The bank manager summons his nerve, gritting his teeth.

BANK MANAGER
What are you? You freak. Criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. What do you believe in, huh? What do you bel-

BANG...the THUG puts a bullet into the MANAGER's head.

END SPOILERS.



Mystery solved....

[Jig Saw 123]

He must look really bad. Worst then Burtons Joker.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by The Madd Villai
Here's the portion of the script in question:

Cool, but can I ask where you got the excerpt from the script?

[APzombie]

I saw a site that had about fifteen pages, i think it was took down.

Keep in mind, though, that they're casting sides, not actual script pages. Casting sides are small excerpts from scripts for actors to read at audtions, with simplified dialogue, and little action.

The dialouge seemed bad to some because every once and a while studios are known to dumb down situations on sides, thus making it more difficult for said auditioning actor to emote, but if they can emote in a realistic fashion, then obviously they are good enough to be in the picture.

[outsyder]

That last line from the bank manager sounds cheesy, but the scene still sounds cool.

I figured William Finchter would get capped.

[DarkKnight81]

It sounds like an 8 year old wrote that scene, I hope its not real..."Criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. What do you believe in, huh? What do you bel-" That's easily the worst part.

[APzombie]

if you want to see video of the production shooting a scene on the roof of the bank/post office that hasn't been seen or mentioned before click the link (wait till the end of the video) as well as seeing the stunt with the swing in action.

http://one.revver.com/watch/247845/flv/affiliate/83874

[The Madd Villai]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
"Criminals in this town used to believe in things. Honor. Respect. What do you believe in, huh? What do you bel-" That's easily the worst part.

GENTLE VOICE
Call it a hunch.

The man PULLS off his MASK. The Bank Manager GASPS, horrified at the face staring back at him.

GENTLE VOICE (CONT'D)
It's rude to stare.

But this part is brilliant, imho.

[Silverload]

There’s no way this bit of the script is real. All these spy photos and videos clearly show Ledger isn‘t even the Joker yet.

[The Madd Villai]

Originally posted by Silverload
There’s no way this bit of the script is real. All these spy photos and videos clearly show Ledger isn‘t even the Joker yet.

You're missing the point.....Why would they do Ledger up in full make up, just to send him out in public where any 16 year-old fan boy with a camera can snap a shot of him, during the first week of shooting?

[gyro_44]

True and on top of that, the scene could just feature Ledger removing his mask and then show the shot of the bank manager gasping and reacting.

I think the pages are real - as APZombie said, they're just audition pages.

[DarkKnight81]

Sounds like a Batmobile is getting blown up in this one, can't wait to see how that happens. This will probably pave the way for the smaller, sleeker Batmobile that has been rumored.

[Jig Saw 123]

Joker sets it on fire.... I wish

[Silverload]

Originally posted by The Madd Villai
You're missing the point.....Why would they do Ledger up in full make up, just to send him out in public where any 16 year-old fan boy with a camera can snap a shot of him, during the first week of shooting?

What about the video of the film crew actually filming Ledger’s character zipping across from one building to another. He’s wearing the mask but obviously has no makeup on nor does he have green hair. Besides, the Joker would never hide his face behind a mask, there’s no need to.

[Boner X-Ray]

Originally posted by Silverload
What about the video of the film crew actually filming Ledger’s character zipping across from one building to another. He’s wearing the mask but obviously has no makeup on nor does he have green hair. Besides, the Joker would never hide his face behind a mask, there’s no need to.
I don't know man. Everything I've seen of this, it's pretty damn clear that Ledger has green hair.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Silverload
What about the video of the film crew actually filming Ledger’s character zipping across from one building to another. He’s wearing the mask but obviously has no makeup on nor does he have green hair. Besides, the Joker would never hide his face behind a mask, there’s no need to.

Unless he's not the joker yet.

Besides, if he's wearing a mask in the scene, they wouldnt put him in the makeup. You think Ken Kirzinger is in full Jason make up behind that hockey mask all the time, JUST because of the one scene where his mask comes off?

No.

Also, I've heard the Joker robs it twice. Once as the Joker, and once as his normal bank-robbing self.

What MIGHT happen is they TRY to rob it the first time, get caught and then his Red Hood crew take revenge on the bad plan by 'scarring' his face or dipping him in chemicals. THEN, he goes back and robs the joint for revenge, by himself.

[yorrick brown]

its only in the movies that the joker killed waynes parents.who was it in batman begins do we know?.

and what was the name of the guy that did it in the comics,ben something?.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by yorrick brown
its only in the movies that the joker killed waynes parents.who was it in batman begins do we know?.

and what was the name of the guy that did it in the comics,ben something?.

Joe Chill was the killer in Begins, never heard of the Ben guy.

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
What MIGHT happen is they TRY to rob it the first time, get caught and then his Red Hood crew take revenge on the bad plan by 'scarring' his face or dipping him in chemicals. THEN, he goes back and robs the joint for revenge, by himself.



I don't see that happening ... I see it more like the bank robbery occurs, they get caught, and run away, but during the chase, Batman catches two of them, but Jack (aka : Ledger PRE-Joker), runs away, Batman continues the chase, and at one point they come across a chemical plant and Jack trips during the altercation, and falls into the Chemical vat, thus creating the Joker. After Batman leaves him for dead (because surely no one could survive a fall into a toxic waste vat), Ledger, now the Joker, climbs out of the vat, and then we see him for the character that we all love to hate in his whole glory. He then goes back to the bank to rob it a second time later in the movie, as the aforementioned 'revenge'.

[yorrick brown]

so joe chill is the killer in the comics to?.

also anyword on if scarecrow is in this.

i think it would be cool if joker ends up in Arkham Asylum and a voice says "theres a psychiatrist Harleen Quinzel to see you." or something like that.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by yorrick brown
so joe chill is the killer in the comics to?.

also anyword on if scarecrow is in this.

i think it would be cool if joker ends up in Arkham Asylum and a voice says "theres a psychiatrist Harleen Quinzel to see you." or something like that.

Yeah Joe is the original killer. No word on the Scarecrow either way yet which makes me thinks he's in it and they dont want to spoil it.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Xehirut
I don't see that happening ... I see it more like the bank robbery occurs, they get caught, and run away, but during the chase, Batman catches two of them, but Jack (aka : Ledger PRE-Joker), runs away, Batman continues the chase, and at one point they come across a chemical plant and Jack trips during the altercation, and falls into the Chemical vat, thus creating the Joker. After Batman leaves him for dead (because surely no one could survive a fall into a toxic waste vat), Ledger, now the Joker, climbs out of the vat, and then we see him for the character that we all love to hate in his whole glory. He then goes back to the bank to rob it a second time later in the movie, as the aforementioned 'revenge'.

I have more faith in the writers than to DIRECTLY copy what Batman '89 did.

[Brendan M.]

I wonder if they'll reference Red Hood at all in any way.

[WalterKovacs]

I hope they don't do too much of an origin story of the clown prince. I really like the idea of The Joker being almost phantom-like, very mysterious. The Nolan's are gonna nail it though, I know it.

[Danger^Cart]

I wonder if Brendan, the leader of the GCPD SWAT, is gonna be in the film. He'd be a fun pseudo-villain.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
I have more faith in the writers than to DIRECTLY copy what Batman '89 did.

I know; these are the guys who created Memento for pete's sake. I think they'll be more original in the Joker's origin than Burton's movie.

I have a question about the origin of the Joker: at the end of Batman Begins we see Gordon giving Batman the "calling card," the Joker card from a deck of cards. Are we to assume that Jack Napier, or whatever the name was pre-Joker, is just robbing banks and holding up jewelry stores and such at this point? Or is he the Joker already?

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by bigred760
I know; these are the guys who created Memento for pete's sake. I think they'll be more original in the Joker's origin than Burton's movie.

I have a question about the origin of the Joker: at the end of Batman Begins we see Gordon giving Batman the "calling card," the Joker card from a deck of cards. Are we to assume that Jack Napier, or whatever the name was pre-Joker, is just robbing banks and holding up jewelry stores and such at this point? Or is he the Joker already?

Well, obviously, there's no way to tell at this point. If you're asking in terms of comic cannon, nothing like that has ever happened, he was always either the Joker or, in terms of TKJ, a scape goat for local hoods who only really committed one crime, and didn't exaclty knock that one out of the park.

I'd like to think Nolan's writing him as a low-level mob enforcer just starting to branch out on his own, and leaving the Joker cards as an alias, or rather a way to brand his handi-work so he can make a name for himself. I don't think he's the Joker when he knocks over the bank.

[Brendan M.]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
I wonder if Brendan, the leader of the GCPD SWAT, is gonna be in the film. He'd be a fun pseudo-villain.

I had no idea there was a Batman characer named Brendan. That just made my day.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Brendan M.
I had no idea there was a Batman characer named Brendan. That just made my day.

Yeah, he's a psychotic SWAT Captain. W00t.

You should really read Batman: Year One. It's good shit.

[shawn-o]

Was it only a faulse rumor that The Penguin and Black Mask were going to be in this movie?

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by shawn-o
Was it only a faulse rumor that The Penguin and Black Mask were going to be in this movie?

I never heard about Black Mask but for a long time it was rumored the Penguin was going to be in it as a British arms dealer. Perhaps Nolan pulled the plug on that when Phillip Seymour Hoffman wouldnt take the part sort of like Zod in Superman Returns when Jude Law passed on the role.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by shawn-o
Was it only a faulse rumor that The Penguin and Black Mask were going to be in this movie?
The Penguin rumors were definitely proven false (and there were even rumors going around that Phil Seymour Hoffman was going to play the role), I'm sure Black Mask was too.

[Brendan M.]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
Yeah, he's a psychotic SWAT Captain. W00t.

You should really read Batman: Year One. It's good shit.

Oh, I've read Batman Year One. I just don't remember anyone named Brendan for some reason.

[soda]

Did Joe Chill kill Batman's parents?

Short Answer: Yes.

Long Answer:

I still meet people, to this day, who think the Joker killed Batman's parents. There's only one place that happened: earth Tim Burton. It was never in the comics, Burton made it up for the movie. However, given the nature of the DCU multi-verse, pre-1985, there very likely was an earth Tim Burton where this was cannon.

More recently, from 1985 until 2006, the answer was an un-named, unknown thug, who Batman never knew the name of and never found, killed Batman's parents. The idea was that if Batman never found the killer, and never even knew who it was, he could never be at peace. Before 1985, the answer was Joe Chill killed Batman's parents, and that Batman eventually brought Chill to justice (he was murdered by other crooks). However, ever since IC #6 last year, all bets are off. Alexandar Luthor's "galactic funnel"/ retcon machine has changed the DCU. The place you're reading about now is not earth one or two, but a place best called "earth's greatest hits", even the tangent universe green lantern is supposedly in continuity. On this earth, Superman WAS superboy in smallville, and he was a member of the Legion of Superheroes (as the last issue of JLA makes very clear). The bottom line is that we think Joe Chill as the killer is back in cannon, but all we have to go on to make that assessment is a small panel in IC #6 where the galactic tuning fork explodes.

[venom718]

am i the only person that thinks there should never be another robin in the batman movies.I hated robin in batman forever.he was too old.



i wanna c a movie with bane(not the lame one from batman and robin)where he cripples bruce like in the comics.this next movie looks like its gonna b pretty good.cant wait

[APzombie]

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/images/tdk_logo.jpg

the official web page is up. all thats there is this cool image.

http://thedarkknight.warnerbros.com/

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by venom718
i wanna c a movie with bane(not the lame one from batman and robin)where he cripples bruce like in the comics.this next movie looks like its gonna b pretty good.cant wait

I'd like Bane for part 3. Not the entire Knightfall storyline, but peices. Namely Bane feeing all the inmates of Arkham. Just a whole bunch of short skirmishes, culminating with Bane snapping Bruce's spine.

Azbats would be wicked badass on screen.

It'd probably be WAAAAAYYYY too much for one movie though. It'd be a bitch to adapt a screenplay.

[bigred760]

I'm seeing TwoFace as the villain in the third one. Aaron Eckhardt is Harvey Dent in this sequel, and becomes TwoFace either in this one or the next one - either way, it's good times. If Bane is introduced, it'll be in future sequels, probably without Nolan (and maybe Bale).

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by bigred760
I'm seeing TwoFace as the villain in the third one. Aaron Eckhardt is Harvey Dent in this sequel, and becomes TwoFace either in this one or the next one - either way, it's good times. If Bane is introduced, it'll be in future sequels, probably without Nolan (and maybe Bale).

I know, I'm just sayin'. Bane is a great villain. Regardless of B & R.

Anyway, I'm more interested in Jean Paul Valley anyway. The fight between Azbats and Batman would be absolutely orgasmic.

[bigred760]

After the Joker, TwoFace storylines are over with; I want to see The Riddler and Mr. Freeze revisited. I thought Schumacher's movies didn't do them justice, especially Mr. Freeze. Obviously Bane is included in that, but I always like the other two a lot more.

[Danger^Cart]

A really down to earth, brooding Riddler could be cool. Agreed on Freeze as well. As long as Jeremy Irons plays him.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Danger^Cart
A really down to earth, brooding Riddler could be cool. Agreed on Freeze as well. As long as Jeremy Irons plays him.

Jim Carrey's Riddler did come off more like the Joker than anything else; down to earth would be better. And I'd be all for a Jeremy Irons Mr. Freeze.

[Jig Saw 123]

They could make the Riddler like a Jigsaw type of character forcing his victims to play games. And have the Penguin and Black Mask in the Mob.

[DarkKnight81]

I'd rather see Jason Isaac's play Mr. Freeze.

[OpT!Mu5]

Interesting article... (http://movies.ign.com/articles/787/787652p1.html)

If the following claims are true then be aware of SPOILERS ...

According to the blogger, "(The stand-in) hung out with Ledger who said that The Joker character in this movie starts out as a unhinged, green-haired nutjob who wears a malleable clown mask when he does all his crime jobs. He said that he found out that as the movie progresses something happens to him in a Batman encounter that permanently fixates his face in the clownish appearance."

"One of the scenes he was working on was a scene where Joker hijacks a school bus and drives it into the Gotham National Bank. So, it's a bank robbery scene that was filmed at the old post office off Canal St. near Van Buren (right by my work). He said they filmed there for about a week and the bank manager was played by William Fichtner. ... I'm hoping to get in on that set as an extra as well when they come back for a couple of months in June. He mentioned that they want him to keep his hair the way it is, kinda long and straggly, for that their return."

Of course, these are all details that anyone who followed the news and rumors during the film's stint in Chicago could have compiled. Still, if the claims are true then it suggests the Joker will have two different looks in the film.

Kind of stuff we already knew, but here's hoping for a great Joker origin...

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by bigred760
I'm seeing TwoFace as the villain in the third one. Aaron Eckhardt is Harvey Dent in this sequel, and becomes TwoFace either in this one or the next one - either way, it's good times.
A good call. I think Dent's transformation into Two-Face won't happen until near the very end of The Dark Knight. If it doesn't, there will at least be a rift between Dent and Bruce Wayne developing.

Early reports were saying there was going to be several villains, some in minor parts. It looks like that's been debunked. I would expect the film to focus on the Joker, and have Two-Face waiting in the wings. But they might also have another recognizable villain in a smaller part. I'm hoping The Scarecrow.

Thoughts?

[APzombie]

even so, Batman Begins had alot of grounds to cover in terms of Wayne's transformation into the bat, nearly the entire first half is him before really getting into the Gotham and the criminal world beyond Faclone. And they did a fantastic job at making use of a number of villians. we had Falcone, The Scarecrow, Rhas (with a great twist) and Zsas.

I imagine there will be more going on in Gotham than just The Joker and the presence of Harvey Dent.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by gyro_44
A good call. I think Dent's transformation into Two-Face won't happen until near the very end of The Dark Knight. If it doesn't, there will at least be a rift between Dent and Bruce Wayne developing.

Early reports were saying there was going to be several villains, some in minor parts. It looks like that's been debunked. I would expect the film to focus on the Joker, and have Two-Face waiting in the wings. But they might also have another recognizable villain in a smaller part. I'm hoping The Scarecrow.

Thoughts?

I'd love to see the Scarecrow back even if its only to fall victim to the Joker. Don't forget that Sal Maronia played by Eric Roberts is also in The Dark Knight. I think Two Face will be the major villain in part 3 and I'd like to see Catwoman as well.

[Jig Saw 123]

SPOILERS BELOW





Found these on Superherohype.com


Regarding the Joker and the scarring that takes place:

Batman in his first encounter with Mr J inadvertantly cause a massive gash on his face. The Joker is fleeing a crime scene via a metallic zip wire (kinda lika like the one we saw during Chicago filming.) Batman chucks a batarang at it whilst Joker is attempting to attach himself to it, causing it to snap back and gash his face. This may change, though, as I believe there was some issue about whether it was practical or not.

I do want to stress, Heath IS the Joker from the movies opening shot. However, his character becomes more and more demented as the film progresses.



Regarding Maggie's role in the film:

Maggie has a bigger role than Katie did in Begins. The whole film really is an escalation on what groundwork was laid in Begins. Many story lines are set up for the third film, and Maggie will play a big part in that.



Regarding the Scarecrow:

I'd say his screen time is a little less than in Begins, although it will be more dramatic. Ever wanted to see the Joker through the eyes of someone under the influence of fear gas?




Regarding the Joker's look:

The Joker will be more in line with the Bermejo look.






SPOILERS END

[AndrewDB]

Time to post some Lee Bermejo art into this thread so we can see what we're getting into:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060604/jokercover.jpg


Woot. :D

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
SPOILERS BELOW

Found these on Superherohype.com
Well then... if that's to be believed, the Scrarecrow WIILL be back. Cool

[bigred760]

Originally posted by gyro_44
A good call. I think Dent's transformation into Two-Face won't happen until near the very end of The Dark Knight. If it doesn't, there will at least be a rift between Dent and Bruce Wayne developing.

Early reports were saying there was going to be several villains, some in minor parts. It looks like that's been debunked. I would expect the film to focus on the Joker, and have Two-Face waiting in the wings. But they might also have another recognizable villain in a smaller part. I'm hoping The Scarecrow.

Thoughts?

I think it's the smart way to go. Since Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne are friends to begin with, Dent becoming Two-Face makes for great drama between the two ex-friends, especially for Wayne/Batman who knows Two-Face (unlike Two-Face, who doesn't know who Batman is).

If Scarecrow is in the movie, he'll be a cameo; maybe he'll have something to do with the Joker becoming crazy (or crazier).

[APzombie]

more news from an insider:

* The Joker is “The Joker” throughout the film. There could be some classic Nolan “flashbacks” that vaguely hint at his origin, but there is no big “Joker origin story.”

* My guy “Chicago Extra” was correct in his description of The Joker (Heath Ledger), but there is a reason that The Joker’s neck isn’t white, but is “flesh-colored” (and I’ll leave it at that).
(note: explains the scoop above)
* The Joker will wear purple in the film. It may not be a literal translation from his comic book suit, but he wears purple.

* A “gash smile” is a better description of The Joker’s grin than “cut smile.”

* Maggie Gyllenhaal’s Rachel has a bigger part in TDK than the character had in BATMAN BEGINS.

* The Scarecrow, played by Cillian Murphy, will be back.

* The new Batsuit will be more “fabricky” -- this jives with what BOF was told months ago. The bodysuit is said to be a tad lighter, kinda grayish. “Fabricky chain mail” was the description.

* Montoya, yes. Bullock, no.

I'm kinda scepticle, Cillian Murphy has been saying that WB or Nolan hasn't contacted him about the role, is he pulling a Shia Lebeouf? or are they replacing him? or is the scarecrow not in the film?

I have to admit, I wasn't crazy about the scarecrow coming back until that scooper mentioned seeing the Joker with the fear toxin, holy shit that would be cool.

How will they pull off the gash smile? I really hope its not too distracting from Ledgers acting and I pray to God that its not done with CGI. There is nothing more distracting to acting than cgi all over their face, people just looked at Ralph Fiennes nose in the last Potter film, not his acting.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by APzombie

How will they pull off the gash smile? I really hope its not too distracting from Ledgers acting and I pray to God that its not done with CGI. There is nothing more distracting to acting than cgi all over their face, .

Why in the world would they ever do it with CGI?

[fooknasty]

I find that info a little hard to believe becuase Cillian has been saying that he hasn't even been contacted. I would love it if he did come back, but this smells funny.

[venom718]

im hyped for this movie......and i just wanna say....NO MORE ROBIN's IN BATMAN MOVIES...................jus saying it 2 make sure in future movies they stay away from the boy wonder

[MrPhox]

IN NOLAN WE TRUST

[WalterKovacs]

What's up with some real continuity? I would really enjoy seeing The Scarecrow back for more, or at least make some kind of appearence in Arkham in detainment. I have a feeling Nolan and co. won't leave him in the dust just because of his final scene in BEGINS. It would be totally unreasonable to not have him make an appearence in the sequel. Think about how much more the character is capable of, and then add Joker to the mix. Hell of a concoction.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by imurealdad1
What's up with some real continuity? I would really enjoy seeing The Scarecrow back for more, or at least make some kind of appearence in Arkham in detainment. I have a feeling Nolan and co. won't leave him in the dust just because of his final scene in BEGINS. It would be totally unreasonable to not have him make an appearence in the sequel. Think about how much more the character is capable of, and then add Joker to the mix. Hell of a concoction.

Well I think you're going to get your wish. I for one am stoked that he's coming back, he deserves more screen time.

[Silverload]

Originally posted by Xehirut
Time to post some Lee Bermejo art into this thread so we can see what we're getting into:

http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/060604/jokercover.jpg


Woot. :D

No woot, if fact it’s the worst Joker I’ve ever seen. The cut smile (or the gash smile which I call bullshit on) is a lame idea, and I personally don’t believe Joker will look like this in TDK.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Silverload
No woot, if fact it’s the worst Joker I’ve ever seen. The cut smile (or the gash smile which I call bullshit on) is a lame idea, and I personally don’t believe Joker will look like this in TDK.

I would start believing if I was you. Its a VERY long running rumor and picture.

[castlesave]

i feel like we are glossing over that they are claiming batman with wear chain mail.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by castlesave
i feel like we are glossing over that they are claiming batman with wear chain mail.

Yeah I dont understand why they would change the costume, it was perfect.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by castlesave
i feel like we are glossing over that they are claiming batman with wear chain mail.

FABRICKY chain mail.

And its actualy a new invention by the military, so its actually real.

OT, but this comic con guy looks amazing.

http://www.louanders.com/uploaded_images/Batman-706327.JPG

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Yeah I dont understand why they would change the costume, it was perfect.

No one believes that you can be both bullet-proof and still 'acrobatic', and neither do I. It's one or the other, and the Batman in this concoction is all about being stealthy and never being shot at in the first place, so theres no reason for him to have full on body armor.

[castlesave]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
FABRICKY chain mail.

And its actualy a new invention by the military, so its actually real.

OT, but this comic con guy looks amazing.

http://www.louanders.com/uploaded_images/Batman-706327.JPG

The Dark Knight: Bat Bulge

[castlesave]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
all about being stealthy and never being shot at in the first place, so theres no reason for him to have full on body armor.

Lloyd: They gave me a gun and slapped this bullet proof vest on me.
Harry: what if he had shot you in the face?
Llyod: yeah, what IF he had shot me in the face?

[fooknasty]

I heard the rumor about tha more fabric type Batman suit and I don't like it. I loved the suit in BB and hope they continue with that.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
No one believes that you can be both bullet-proof and still 'acrobatic', and neither do I. It's one or the other, and the Batman in this concoction is all about being stealthy and never being shot at in the first place, so theres no reason for him to have full on body armor.

Cops wear kevlar, why can't Batman?

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Silverload
No woot, if fact it’s the worst Joker I’ve ever seen. The cut smile (or the gash smile which I call bullshit on) is a lame idea, and I personally don’t believe Joker will look like this in TDK.

That's the best Joker I've ever seen. If Mr. J looks like that in the film, I will die a happy man.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by APzombie
How will they pull off the gash smile? I really hope its not too distracting from Ledgers acting and I pray to God that its not done with CGI. There is nothing more distracting to acting than cgi all over their face, people just looked at Ralph Fiennes nose in the last Potter film, not his acting.
Nolan isn't going to use any CGI that is obvious CGI. I really don't think he's going to go all over-the-top with the Joker's look. It's actually cool they're going with the gash smile, it's going to (hopefully) make him creepy, but don't expect anything too garish or extreme. Nolan wants realism. At least he did in Begins.

I'm liking everything I hear so far, if it turns out to be true.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by gyro_44
Nolan isn't going to use any CGI that is obvious CGI. I really don't think he's going to go all over-the-top with the Joker's look. It's actually cool they're going with the gash smile, it's going to (hopefully) make him creepy, but don't expect anything too garish or extreme. Nolan wants realism. At least he did in Begins.

I'm liking everything I hear so far, if it turns out to be true.


Well let's be honest and realistic here. The scenes in Begins with the bats was all CGI, especially in the Arkham Asylum escape sequence. In fact the Batman that jumps from the top of the staircase, lands at the bottom and then walks off camera: ALL CGI.

Nolan has no issue with CGI, he just tones its application down to the point where you really can't see the seams. Which is how CGI should be used.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by electriclite
Well let's be honest and realistic here. The scenes in Begins with the bats was all CGI, especially in the Arkham Asylum escape sequence. In fact the Batman that jumps from the top of the staircase, lands at the bottom and then walks off camera: ALL CGI.

Nolan has no issue with CGI, he just tones its application down to the point where you really can't see the seams. Which is how CGI should be used.
Well, exactly.

I never said Nolan didn't use CGI. I said he wasn't obvious about it. I figured of course that the bats were CGI (and some of the Scarecrow effects), but there is not one shot in the entire movie that I look at and say, "Oh, that's CGI". Not a one.

This is a man I trust with CGI. My original point is: don't worry about it.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Cops wear kevlar, why can't Batman?

Because cops dont have to fly around Gotham and do crazy acrobatic fighting moves.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
SPOILERS BELOW





Found these on Superherohype.com



Regarding Maggie's role in the film:

Maggie has a bigger role than Katie did in Begins. The whole film really is an escalation on what groundwork was laid in Begins. Many story lines are set up for the third film, and Maggie will play a big part in that.


SPOILERS END


I've been reading the film's synopsis on IMDB, and it seems there is a good chance Rachel Dawes could meet her end in this sequel. Check it out:

Batman and Lt. Gordan work together to bring all the inmates and Crane back to justice. They soon find alliance with the new DA official, Harvey Dent who's Rachel Dawes' new partner. Out of all the escaped inmates, only one hasn't been captured. His name is Jack Napier, but refers to himself as the Joker. He becomes obsessed with Batman and uses his sick, twisted sense of humor to lure Batman out into the open by killing all that are close to him. Will Batman Bring him to Justice or has the Joker had the last laugh?


This would cement the twisted bond between the Joker and Batman, it could also be the set up for Dent's disfigurement. A face for a face?

[electriclite]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Because cops dont have to fly around Gotham and do crazy acrobatic fighting moves.



No offense, but Batman isn't too "acrobatic", in my opinion, just from watching the film. Considering the fighting style he uses, he's very much more a stealthy fighter on par with a Navy Seal than a lithe acrobat.

So I think he can wear some kevlar. He'd have to be stupid not to.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Because cops dont have to fly around Gotham and do crazy acrobatic fighting moves.

When did Superman teach him to fly?

[electriclite]

Btw, a somewhat on or off topic, but has anyone seen these on YouTube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuSI9akJ9_s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azGhHh9mV_Q&mode=related&search=

They're hysterical!

[WalterKovacs]

What I was hearing is that the tumbler blows up, a Bat bike is introduced, and Bats changes costumes about half-way through the film, like a new armor that is built to repel specific dangers.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by imurealdad1
What I was hearing is that the tumbler blows up, a Bat bike is introduced, and Bats changes costumes about half-way through the film, like the new armor that is built to repel specific dangers.

You know, I remember thinking when the first pictures of batman were released that it looked bulky and that it would work since it was Batman from the starting point and that things would develop and streamline more as the franchise progressed. That sounds just like what I said would happen.

Its all coming together!

[WalterKovacs]

Well, exactly.

I never said Nolan didn't use CGI. I said he wasn't obvious about it. I figured of course that the bats were CGI (and some of the Scarecrow effects), but there is not one shot in the entire movie that I look at and say, "Oh, that's CGI". Not a one.

This is a man I trust with CGI. My original point is: don't worry about it.

@ gyro-44

There's a few scenes where it's noticeable, namely the shot with The Narrows in the foreground and the rest of Gotham in the back as the camera pans down and in, I forget exactly what scene it is though. The seams aren't obvious but The Narrows themselves have a strange haze look that gives it away. Not complaining just making a point.

[APzombie]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Why in the world would they ever do it with CGI?

I wouldn't want Nolan to pull off what Mikkii did in Ichi The Killer, I think its kinda distracting. Maybe it will look that way under the Scarecrow's toxin, but normally Its unnecessary.

[bigred760]

For those of you (most of you) who wanted the Scarecrow back:

http://joblo.com/scarecrow-back

[WalterKovacs]

New York times is reporting that Eric Roberts is definately Sal Maroni. It also mentions in the article segment, which is up at BOF, that Bob Hoskins was at one time a canidate for the role. That would have been pretty cool. I had heard his name mentioned before but it was tied in with the supposed Penguin rumor. With the info just pouring in I could imagine Nolan being a little irritated with the leaks. Supposedly he's not real big on leaks,but I would assume not too many directors are. I'm sure he appreciates the enthusiasm for the film, but would much rather have fan speculation than plotlines and characters be revealed too early on. Oh well, TOO BAD!!! HAHAHAHHAHAH!!

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by imurealdad1
New York times is reporting that Eric Roberts is definately Sal Maroni. It also mentions in the article segment, which is up at BOF, that Bob Hoskins was at one time a canidate for the role. That would have been pretty cool. I had heard his name mentioned before but it was tied in with the supposed Penguin rumor. With the info just pouring in I could imagine Nolan being a little irritated with the leaks. Supposedly he's not real big on leaks,but I would assume not too many directors are. I'm sure he appreciates the enthusiasm for the film, but would much rather have fan speculation than plotlines and characters be revealed too early on. Oh well, TOO BAD!!! HAHAHAHHAHAH!!

What does it matter if we know that Eric Roberts is playing Sal Maroni, how is that a leak? Nolan was able to hide the whole two Ra's Al Ghul's idea and I'm sure he'll keep what he wants secret this time around too.

[APzombie]

perhaps he was upset that if he hired Phil Seymore Hoffman or Bob Hoskins (two early considerations) as Moroni people would speculate that they were in for the penguin, subsequently getting people exited for something that wasn't going to happen.

[Danger^Cart]

I'm a little dissapointed in Eric Roberts. I've always found his acting pretty flat and Nolan could have done a lot better, such as Hoskins or PSH.

PSH plays one wicked badass villain.

[AndrewDB]

Maybe they cast the wrong person to be the Joker...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkLZWDRkfRA


:D

Not work appropriate, but still hilarious as hell..

When you get about 21 seconds into it, you'll understand what I'm talking about...

[Danger^Cart]

That made me laugh unbelievably hard. I hurt.

Thank you for that.

[WalterKovacs]

What does it matter if we know that Eric Roberts is playing Sal Maroni, how is that a leak? Nolan was able to hide the whole two Ra's Al Ghul's idea and I'm sure he'll keep what he wants secret this time around too.

@DARKKNIGHT81

It's a leak because it was not put forward by Warner's themselves, it was found second-hand, even Eric Roberts didn't announce the name of the character. I don't believe Nolan had any intention of announcing that yet. Not that it's such a huge spoiler, like the ending of the film was leaked or something, but it's leaked news nonetheless. As far as the Ra's Al Ghul storyline and other storylines as well remained a secret in BEGINS was because there wasn't as much speculation around that film as there is with TDK, plus it's more of a twist and only assholes would ruin the twists for people. It's the second time around and now EVERYONE is watching, especially for The Joker, who garners the most attention.

[fooknasty]

After re-reading The Long Halloween, I think that Eric Roberts is a damn fine casting for Maroni. I don't think someone like Hoffman or Hoskins would have worked as well. Maroni is an older man, but he is still fit as hell. I think casting either of those two would have been drawing to many simiarities to the Penguin, and PSH is way too young to be playing a mob boss.


POSSIBLE SPOILER:



Also, am I the only one who is excited to hear that Maggie Gyllenhal is going to have a much bigger role as Rachel Dawes than Katie Holmes did in BB.


END SPOILERS


Keep up the great casting Nolan........

[WalterKovacs]

Xehirut, that was weird. What would make you want to YOUTUBE that guy? Creepy.

[WalterKovacs]

For those of you who haven't heard, there is a SUPPOSED TDK teaser in front of the new Harry Potter. There's a SUPPOSED description up at AICN. We'll see. If this is really the case I'm definitely buying a ticket to Order of the Phoenix. Time will SUPPOSEDLY tell.

[AndrewDB]

Originally posted by imurealdad1
Xehirut, that was weird. What would make you want to YOUTUBE that guy? Creepy.

Was reading Digg.com and it had 'The top FBomb Slips on public TV,' and the Richard Simmons one was one of the ones someone else mentioned but when I heard him laughing and looking like that I couldn't help but post it and mention it the way I did... :)

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by fooknasty



Also, am I the only one who is excited to hear that Maggie Gyllenhal is going to have a much bigger role as Rachel Dawes than Katie Holmes did in BB.


END SPOILERS




I really cant say one way or the other since I've never seen any of her movies.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
I really cant say one way or the other since I've never seen any of her movies.

Well shes much more interesting than Katie, without all the damn baggage.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Well shes much more interesting than Katie, without all the damn baggage.


And a FAR better actress as well.

[DarkKnight81]

Wasn't she up for the role when casting for Begins was happening? I wonder why he didnt just cast her to begin with. I do find it interesting that at first it seemed as if the Rachel Dawes character would be limited in her screentime and since Holmes dropped out apparently the character has even more screentime this go around.

[Jig Saw 123]

I found some Joker manips tell me which one looks the best...
I say #1 is the Joker I would love to see.


#1:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/BatmanVH/Batman/jokertw7.jpg




#2:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/BatmanVH/Batman/tdkjokerkl0.jpg




#3:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/BatmanVH/Batman/fakepic2.jpg



#4:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f234/BatmanVH/Batman/ledgerno1.jpg

[DarkKnight81]

#1 is the best, no fucking way on #3.

[Jig Saw 123]

Vote or Die


http://ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com/images/dent.jpg

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
Vote or Die


http://ibelieveinharveydent.warnerbros.com/images/dent.jpg

Harvey's got my vote.

[PrimeSuspect]

....THE JOKER!!!!!!

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/first_pic_of_heath-joker.jpg

1st Official Pic. What do you guys think?

-Prime

[WalterKovacs]

It's already my background but I'm still kinda taking this one in... It's about what I expected, looks f'n creepy. Pretty cool marketing campaign behind this too, with the leaving of the stamped Joker cards in comic stores, kinda like what Nine Inch Nails did with the disc drives at concert venues for YEAR ZERO. I'm diggin it. GodDAMN , I can't wait to see this in action.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Wasn't she up for the role when casting for Begins was happening? I wonder why he didnt just cast her to begin with. I do find it interesting that at first it seemed as if the Rachel Dawes character would be limited in her screentime and since Holmes dropped out apparently the character has even more screentime this go around.

Holmes didn't drop out, the producers fired her after the insane summer of "TomKat' fiasco. I believe we covered it in the celeb Talk forum where people finally realized my description of her acting abilities as being on par with Mexican soap opera actresses was not hyperbole. Even the producers said they were going to look for a "stronger actress".

The studio wanted an actress that a younger audience would recognize. Try to recall the major members of the cast of Batman Begins , sans Rachel Dawes. Name me an actor that a non-schmoe teenage audience would know off the bat.


Now that the film is a major hit, the studio has created its niche audience and doesn't need a less talented actress actress to draw in the crowd, they have the reputation of the previous film to do that for them. This gives Nolan more control over casting decisions, and less compromise in writing stories for characters because they had to settle for a weaker actor.

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by PrimeSuspect
....THE JOKER!!!!!!

http://photos.imageevent.com/batmanonfilm/bofimagesbofimages/first_pic_of_heath-joker.jpg

1st Official Pic. What do you guys think?

-Prime

Gives me goosebumps. I think Heath will be excellent. The pic is amazing.

[TylerDurden182]

That is fuckin' awesome. Very creepy and effective first pic. I'm really digging this. 2008 can't come soon enough.

[fooknasty]

WOW!!

Really creepy and in line with, hopefully, where this trilogy is going. Consider me stoked!!!

[boombche_stum]

I think the joker pic looks fantastic. I love the drastic change of his look as compared to Cesar Romero and Jack in their roles. It looks creepier, far more nightmarish than someone with white powder make up and a permasmile (ala Jack), which while having worked in a Tim Burton movie... wouldn't come off nearly as well in a Nolan film (being he has a penchant for much darker material, and does well with it).

I have faith in Nolan at this point to bring us something new and fresh to the table (like with Batman Begins) and so far have liked everything I have seen and heard about TDK.

[Solid Snake]

CLEARER PIC:

http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/hw800/19749.jpg

[soda]

my 2 cents:

I like the picture of the Joker, in fact, I like it a lot. I also totally like the fact that Nolan is doing something new and different with the character (apparently). Just based on a first impression (seeing the photo), this Joker doesn't LOOK like any I've seen before. He looks terrifying and frightening, with those big, black eyes, and that huge red smirk. The key to the Joker's character has always been that he can do things that are horrifying and funny at the same time. As much as I hope Nolan really pushes the envelope with his Joker, I do still hope it's funny. Without the Joke, there's no real point in calling him the Joker.

[dellamorte dellamore]

I don't see it as a striking departure from Nic's joker , the change is more subtle , they eliminated the pasted on grin , which i fully expected , bu that's about it . The changes are subtle , and not so subtle , he has some scarring now , something they never did with the tv series joker or in bat 89 , which makes sense since he was essentially burned with an acidic chemical . Also , i can see from this pic that they have utilized a darker shade of white for his face , and his " lipstick " is in an irregular pattern and flows beyond the lip area , which also makes some sense , since after all , the joker is brill but unhinged , he would want that rebel , devil may care , fekk off i have my own fashion sense attitude . Don't think he would be trying to make things symmetrical , which is a reflection of his controversial nature . Plus , since he's in love with himself , afflicted with intense narcissism , he 'll take any chance he gets to make broad , aggressive , arrogent stokes with his appearance .



Now all this is moot if this is yet another teaser , and his look is still in the testing stages , but they are on the right track , although i feel they have to tweak it a bit . You want a look that says , genius , but unbalanced , while still utilizing elements of the comics.


I still can't help but realize , as far as looks go , no matter what they do to Ledger , he's miscast , he's a brill actor , but it's still not sinking in . I don't think it will matter though , Nolan has made it clear , it's all about Batman now , the bad dudes are just floating around in his orbit . They aren't front and center anymore , but a compliment , a mere foil for him . Most of the villains in the batman comics ( at least the most popular ones ) , tv show , movies , were never a match for him physically , and this is continuing that trend .

Scarecrow in BB had no chance without his gas , and that was rendered useless , Falconi couldn't lift a bagel without weezing he was so old , although Ra Gul could stand up to him , most of the bad guys need support , in order to have a chance against the bat . This won't be any diff , there won't be any last stand fight this time , Joker will have to use wits , traps , psychological warfare to even have a chance , he can't stand toe to toe with him . In that respect , Heath will have no prob striking fear into this incarnation of a cinematic batman , but so far all i'm seeing is a yuppie version of the joker , a college kid trying to get back at their parents , as penguin referred to catwoman in BR .

[DarkKnight81]

Heath already has such a broad smile that he didnt even really need the pasted smile like Jack did in Batman.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b323/sting_likea_bee_celebs/Heath%20Ledger/654f9d83.jpg

[fooknasty]

Originally posted by dellamorte dellamore

Scarecrow in BB had no chance without his gas , and that was rendered useless , Falconi couldn't lift a bagel without weezing he was so old , although Ra Gul could stand up to him , most of the bad guys need support , in order to have a chance against the bat . This won't be any diff , there won't be any last stand fight this time , Joker will have to use wits , traps , psychological warfare to even have a chance , he can't stand toe to toe with him . In that respect , Heath will have no prob striking fear into this incarnation of a cinematic batman , but so far all i'm seeing is a yuppie version of the joker , a college kid trying to get back at their parents , as penguin referred to catwoman in BR . [/B]


I disagree, I actually think the reason that they hired Ledger is becuase he does resemble the physique of Christian Bale in a way. I am actually expecting a no holds bar fist fight between the two in this one, going balls out toe-to-toe.

I don't want my Joker to be some "Scarecrow" who can only defeat Batman by drugging him, but rather someone who is a sick twisted bastard who has the ability to beat the shit out of someone with the wink of an eye.

[bigred760]

Originally posted by fooknasty
I disagree, I actually think the reason that they hired Ledger is becuase he does resemble the physique of Christian Bale in a way. I am actually expecting a no holds bar fist fight between the two in this one, going balls out toe-to-toe.

I don't want my Joker to be some "Scarecrow" who can only defeat Batman by drugging him, but rather someone who is a sick twisted bastard who has the ability to beat the shit out of someone with the wink of an eye.

I agree; not so much with the fistfighting and all, but the Joker will be a worthy adversary because is completely evil and totally insane to boot, and doesn't care what happens to him or anybody else.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I wasn't too thrilled at all by Ledger's casting, but I'm warming up to him. The fact that he and Bale do have a lot of similar characteristics is a plus and there just might be a head to head battle between the two. I'm betting it would be more exciting than the Keaton/Nicholson match anyway.

[castlesave]

i posted this in another thread but it has relevence here. for what its worth, batmanonfilm.com is saying that their are rumblings that this is a fake pic and part of a big hoax. check out the site for an explanation.

[fooknasty]

They just reported on batman-on-film.com that Anthony Michael Hall has just joined the cast as an unknown character.

He goes on to say that he can't even mention the characters name becuase he doesn't want to give away a "200 million dolllar surprise"!!!

I think this is awesome, becuase I think AMH does such a good job on Dead Zone. He goes on to say that he is coming back to Chicago to film scenes with Morgan Freeman.

What?? A character he can't even mention?? A 200 million dollar surprise? He works with Wayne Enterprise??

Edward Nigma perhaps????

This just adds to my excietment!!!!

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by fooknasty
They just reported on batman-on-film.com that Anthony Michael Hall has just joined the cast as an unknown character.

He goes on to say that he can't even mention the characters name becuase he doesn't want to give away a "200 million dolllar surprise"!!!

I think this is awesome, becuase I think AMH does such a good job on Dead Zone. He goes on to say that he is coming back to Chicago to film scenes with Morgan Freeman.

What?? A character he can't even mention?? A 200 million dollar surprise? He works with Wayne Enterprise??

Edward Nigma perhaps????

This just adds to my excietment!!!!
I think you're totally spot-on with the Edward Nigma prediction.

Sounds cool.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by gyro_44
I think you're totally spot-on with the Edward Nigma prediction.

Sounds cool.

I don't.

Too many villians.

Probably a mobster, like Roman Sionis.

[castlesave]

now that im looking at his picture, AMH actually might have made a good joker.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
I don't.

Too many villians.

Probably a mobster, like Roman Sionis.
But it sounds like it's only going to be a very small role, and could set the stage for the next one, in which case it makes perfect sense.

You see Anthony Michael Hall playing a mobster? Hmmmmm.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by gyro_44
But it sounds like it's only going to be a very small role, and could set the stage for the next one, in which case it makes perfect sense.

You see Anthony Michael Hall playing a mobster? Hmmmmm.

Apparently, he has scenes with Wayne and Lucious Fox. So, itsnot THAT small.

Plus, theyve already set up that Joker and Two-Face will be in the third. You dont want the riddler messing up this great arc.

[Jig Saw 123]

It's not gonna be a small role this is what he said...
"They're shooting in London, Chicago and Hong Kong. My next dates are in Chicago, the third week of August with Morgan, then I get to go back to London."

"It's really a great role," he added. "I'm in throughout the whole movie, and I'm really looking forward to working with Christian and Morgan and all these real Hollywood heavy hitters."


He works with Morgan and Bale so I assume hes....



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/Bat636.jpg

[Danger^Cart]

I really hope not. Black Mask is so lame.

Although, at this juncture, your prediction is the logical one. Scenes with both Bruce and Lucius indicate that not only is he an aquaintance of Bruce (which only the rich and powerful are) but he has dealings with his company as well (Lucius).

Fuck. I really hope Nolan is just gonna put Sionis in there as a little nod to the fans and not include Black Mask.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Apparently, he has scenes with Wayne and Lucious Fox. So, itsnot THAT small.

Plus, theyve already set up that Joker and Two-Face will be in the third. You dont want the riddler messing up this great arc.
It's been confirmed that Joker will be carried into the third film? I didn't know that.

I was thinking Riddler could play a part in the third, or they may even have him on stand-by ala Dylan Baker as Dr. Connors in Spider-Man. While I have no idea, I still feel as though Hall could be cameo'ing as Nigma. If he has scenes with Wayne and Lucious Fox, sounds like it might be set at Wayne Enterprises. This is all conjecture for fun.

[fooknasty]

I guess it's just how you interpret what he said.

He can't say the characters name becuase then everyone will know it, so he is obviously a BIG name character from the Batman series. Plus, a 200 million dollar surprise? I don't think Black Mask would be that big of a surprise.

Also, from what he says he will have quite a bit of screen time, so it's my opinion that we will see the early early stages of Edward Nigma. He may never even get introduced as the Riddler in the inital Nolan trilogy, but atleast they are introducing the characters for possible sequels beyond the first three.

They are learning from the mistakes of Spider-Man 3, and possibly introducing EN like they should have done with Eddie Brock.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by gyro_44
It's been confirmed that Joker will be carried into the third film? I didn't know that.

I was thinking Riddler could play a part in the third, or they may even have him on stand-by ala Dylan Baker as Dr. Connors in Spider-Man. While I have no idea, I still feel as though Hall could be cameo'ing as Nigma. If he has scenes with Wayne and Lucious Fox, sounds like it might be set at Wayne Enterprises. This is all conjecture for fun.


Again, that goes nowhere with the already established story arc over three films. Edward Nigma in the third film would only cloud what was built up over the previous two, not to mention how very little the Riddler fits into Nolan's world.

Co,mbine that with the fact that Two-Face ad RIddler wuold be in the same movie AGAIN, and I think that would have everyone running for the hills.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Again, that goes nowhere with the already established story arc over three films.
And again, WHAT already established story arc over three films? You'll have to fill me in here... thanks.

[fooknasty]

I think they are losely going off of The Long Halloween, in which the Riddler does appear. If I remember right, he doesn't play an intricate part.

I am not saying that the Riddler will even show up in Nolan's trilogy, but I am saying that Edrward Nigma might. The introduction of a major character like that is the only thing I can think of that wouldn't allow AMH to mention the characters name.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by gyro_44
And again, WHAT already established story arc over three films? You'll have to fill me in here... thanks.

It was known before Begins came out, that R'as was the villian in pt. 1, The Joker in pt. 2, and Two-Face in pt. 3. Dent would help find Joker in The Dark Knight, and he would be scarred and become Big Bad Harv in the third, while the Joker stands trial.

[Jig Saw 123]

Hall could be Edward Nigma because since Morgan has a higher position on the board then Edward would be next in line to take his job. Maybe hes the one who makes Batmans new batsuit.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Jig Saw 123
Hall could be Edward Nigma because since Morgan has a higher position on the board then Edward would be next in line to take his job. Maybe hes the one who makes Batmans new batsuit.

I REALLY friggin doubt that.

[castlesave]

he made it sound much more important than a intro into a future villian. im thinking its something having to do with a twist. like in the first when you find out that Ras wasnt killed and his identity the twist.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
I REALLY friggin doubt that.

Wow you already know the story arc for two movies that havent even come out yet but this guy offers one bit of opinion and you shoot him down?

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Wow you already know the story arc for two movies that havent even come out yet but this guy offers one bit of opinion and you shoot him down?

You act as if that information isnt common knowledge.

And it is.

[adamjohnson]

He could also be the 'Batman Impersonator' that is offed by the Joker.

In the sides tht were relaesed, several people copied what Batman did an became vigilantes. One, who presumably had access to the technology, had the same suit, and was captured and killed.

That, or Roman Sionis make much more sense that a third MARQUEE villian like the Riddler, who doesnt fit and would be given little screentime.

[electriclite]

It'd be kinda funny if Roman Sionis and the Joker were in the same movie, since Sionis disfigures his girlfriend who then commits suicide later, just like the Joker's girlfriend, Felicia, in Burton's Batman.


Sionis also went destroyed Wayne properties and kidnapped and tortured friends of Bruce Wayne (Lucius Fox), and in TDK the synopsis says The Joker will be attacking friends and associates of Batman. The two seem to have similar MO's, although in different media. Will TDK marry these similarities for the film?

It seems that if AMH is in this film as Roman Sionis that maybe him and Joker will have some sort of association? Or maybe we'll just see the introduction to a future relationship?

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
You act as if that information isnt common knowledge.

And it is.

Since when has Chris Nolan been so revealing? Did he tell you this or did you read it on a message board?

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Since when has Chris Nolan been so revealing? Did he tell you this or did you read it on a message board?

Revealed so long ago I cant find the articles anymore.

[WalterKovacs]

I personally can't see AMH as The Riddler. Not to take anything away from the guy, but as far as villians go Nolan tends to go with actors who are more recognizable, for example , he originally wanted Sean Penn for The Joker and Matt Damon for Harvey Dent, both of whom declined for whatever reasons, and both of whom I would have rather seen attain said roles. Not that Ledger or Eckhart are bad choices by any means, but I digress...I have serious doubts about Hall as Nigma, and what ADAMJOHNSON said seems a little more viable, as far as him playing a BATMAN impersonator, but really who knows. The character of Nigma might have a tough time fitting into the Nolan franchise, but, if he did it probably won't be in TDK or part 3, if and when that is released, it would just be retreading a beaten path made by the FUCKING HORENDOUS BATMAN FOEVER, and Nolan isn't one to copycat.

[Brendan M.]

Why would Edward Nigma make Batman's new costume? I don't think he worked in that sort of way in the comics... I'm not familar with the character's comic history and origin though.

[DarkKnight81]

I dont think Nolan would do a Batman part 3 with Two Face and The Riddler in it, deja vu anyone?

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Revealed so long ago I cant find the articles anymore.

I know what you're referring too but i'm surprised you're sold on speculation.

[WalterKovacs]

Off the subject of Hall -It's waaay too early to know but just for discussions sake, what would you schmoes like to see TDK's running time be? BB clocked in at a nice 150 mins. and that was a TON of story to tell. I think BB was paced reasonably well, there were a few scenes I thought they could have expanded on slightly more. Namely: Bruce's parents being murdered, his fight with The League in the Temple, his first appearence at the docks as BATMAN, and a few others happened a little too frantically for my taste and even though they got the point across I wish they woulda slowed down a little and increased the films overall time by a few minutes.

As far as TDK goes, I think anything BEYOND the 170-180 minute mark would be pushing it, but I definitely don't think it's time should be any shorter than BEGINS. As Nolan told that scooper in the Chicago mall, "It's going to be epic." As in grand scale, long movie type shit. If I sat through 4 hours and ten minutes of Return of the King - twice, I really won't have any problem sitting through a longer Bats flick. Nuff said. Any input?

[fooknasty]

Yeah, a Batman impersonator would fit in a lot more nicely with Nolan's supposed realistic trilogy.......:rolleyes:


Anyways, again I never suggested the Riddler be in Nolan's trilogy, but a few scenes with Edward Nigma would be very reasonable. Establish him as a character before just making him into a villian.

[APzombie]

Originally posted by imurealdad1
Off the subject of Hall -It's waaay too early to know but just for discussions sake, what would you schmoes like to see TDK's running time be? BB clocked in at a nice 150 mins. and that was a TON of story to tell. I think BB was paced reasonably well, there were a few scenes I thought they could have expanded on slightly more. Namely: Bruce's parents being murdered, his fight with The League in the Temple, his first appearence at the docks as BATMAN, and a few others happened a little too frantically for my taste and even though they got the point across I wish they woulda slowed down a little and increased the films overall time by a few minutes.

As far as TDK goes, I think anything BEYOND the 170-180 minute mark would be pushing it, but I definitely don't think it's time should be any shorter than BEGINS. As Nolan told that scooper in the Chicago mall, "It's going to be epic." As in grand scale, long movie type shit. If I sat through 4 hours and ten minutes of Return of the King - twice, I really won't have any problem sitting through a longer Bats flick. Nuff said. Any input?

yea, i think a really exiting point with the dark knight is that from the get go batman is in gotham, Batman Begins was great build for nearly more than half the picture before bruce transforms. It'll be interesting to see how the play the story now that batman is out and about.

[DarkKnight81]

I'm a bit surprised about some of Nolan's casting choices, Eric Roberts and Anthony Michael Hall, although I can't wait to see what both bring to the movie.

[fooknasty]

Batman-on-film has just said that Anthony Michael Hall will definitely be playing a villian in The Dark Knight, although it isn't known if it will be a Chris Nolan villian or a classic Batman villian.

However, if he can't even mention his name, I would assume it's one we all know.

[outsyder]

Anyone check out the Jokerized Harvey Dent site again?

It's replaced with a "page not found" text. Of course, if you select all the text you find a bunch of hidden "HAHAHAHAHahahahAHHAhaHA!"'s with some other letters interspersed in it.

They spell out "See you in December."

Book it. Trailer in December.

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by fooknasty
Batman-on-film has just said that Anthony Michael Hall will definitely be playing a villian in The Dark Knight, although it isn't known if it will be a Chris Nolan villian or a classic Batman villian.

However, if he can't even mention his name, I would assume it's one we all know.

What's a Chris Nolan villain? John G?

[bigred760]

Originally posted by outsyder
Anyone check out the Jokerized Harvey Dent site again?

It's replaced with a "page not found" text. Of course, if you select all the text you find a bunch of hidden "HAHAHAHAHahahahAHHAhaHA!"'s with some other letters interspersed in it.

They spell out "See you in December."

Book it. Trailer in December.

Sweeet.

[WalterKovacs]

@ DARK KNIGHT

I think he means a villian created for the movie.

[Brendan M.]

My first guess was Hush.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by Brendan M.
My first guess was Hush.

Hush looks too much like Darkman. People would get confused.

[shawn-o]

forgive me

but who the hell is Hush?

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by imurealdad1
@ DARK KNIGHT

I think he means a villian created for the movie.

Exactly.

[soda]

Originally posted by shawn-o
forgive me

but who the hell is Hush?

glad you asked.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a342/Norwalker225/batman_hush_cover.jpg

HUSH was a storyline written by Jeph Loeb and illustrated by the incomparable Jim Lee, it ran several years ago, and it started with issue #608 and went to issue #619. it's out in trade paperback, check it out, it's a very good read.

[Shockwave]

Riddler would be nice.

Hes one of the best BATMAN villians when hes written well. (...and that isnt often..) Someone who, unlike many of his foes, matches wits rather then brawn against the Detective.:cool:

[DarkKnight81]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Exactly.

Exactly..right, because he's going to make up villains for a character that has probably the most notorious group of villains out there. But right, exactly.

[Danger^Cart]

Originally posted by soda
it's out in trade paperback, check it out, it's a very good read.

It's an extremely pretty read, yes, but overall I think it's a pretty shallow effort on Loeb's part.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by DarkKnight81
Exactly..right, because he's going to make up villains for a character that has probably the most notorious group of villains out there. But right, exactly.

He won't be canon. But neither was Falcone and I thought his character was great, especially considering WIlkinsons performance.

If AMH is Sionis or Black Mask and is only on screen for 12 minutes that'll be fine with me.