"Stop Snitchin'"

[Brando @$$ Fat]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/19/60minutes/main2704565.shtml

I know it's a horrible thing to hope for, but sometimes I wish that guys like Cam'ron would witness something really horrible happen to a loved one and then see what they would do. What sickens me about this shit is watching these indoctrinated kids repeat every word from Cam'ron's mouth.

Oh, and Cam'ron is a shitty rapper too. Maybe one day he'll realize what a worthless shit he is and blow his fucking brains out with a shotgun. Better yet, maybe the serial killer next door will do it. The world would certainly be a better place.

[Criminal Rock]

I saw that shit too... fucking horrible.

Thats one guy I'd like to punch in the face...

[electriclite]

Dumbest shit I've ever heard.

As if blacks don't have enough shit to try and get through, they add this shit to the obstacle course!

[Thrizzle]

Honestly, hip hop is a major problem for black youth in America today.

[The Postmaster General]

Yeah, remember when it was heavy metal making teenagers suicidal.

"Breakin' the law! Breakin' te law!"

Really, I don't get why there's so much double-standard when it comes to rap music. Whether or not the guy is singing a non-positive message, or if he's just the biggest mutherfucker in the world, music reflects society, it's not to blame for society.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Yeah, remember when it was heavy metal making teenagers suicidal.

"Breakin' the law! Breakin' te law!"

Really, I don't get why there's so much double-standard when it comes to rap music. Whether or not the guy is singing a non-positive message, or if he's just the biggest mutherfucker in the world, music reflects society, it's not to blame for society.

If anything its a vicious circle.

The rapper sings about this, kids admire that rapper, start emulating the behavior; it catches on; some kid becomes a rapper and raps about the same thing and kids admire the rapper because his words "are for real".

Music is the great communicator. Its how certain localized events become known far outside from where they occurred.

Why else do you see white kids in the suburbs talking street?

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by electriclite
Why else do you see white kids in the suburbs talking street?


Because they've learned concern as a form of love and they want their parents to love them more?

[electriclite]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Because they've learned concern as a form of love and they want their parents to love them more?


Damn latch key kids!

[The Postmaster General]

:D

Happy Cinco De Mayo! We will celebrate independence by putting lime in our beer!

[Damone]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Yeah, remember when it was heavy metal making teenagers suicidal.

"Breakin' the law! Breakin' te law!"

Really, I don't get why there's so much double-standard when it comes to rap music. Whether or not the guy is singing a non-positive message, or if he's just the biggest mutherfucker in the world, music reflects society, it's not to blame for society.


I don't think there's a double standard because...

1. Heavy metal caught it's fair share of crap back in the day.
2. There's a difference between what people think they hear due to backmasking and what the singer is actually saying. (i.e. Judas Priest getting sued because somebody claimed the words "Do it" heard in song when played backwards caused their kid to kill himself)
3. I don't recall as many people emulating metal groups back then as much as rappers get emulated today.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Because they've learned concern as a form of love and they want their parents to love them more?

HA! That reminds me of when I was 12 and first discovered the Wu-Tang Clan and every other word out of my mouth was an obscenity. My parents were concerned alright.....

[The Postmaster General]

Originally posted by Damone
I don't think there's a double standard because...

1. Heavy metal caught it's fair share of crap back in the day.
2. There's a difference between what people think they hear due to backmasking and what the singer is actually saying. (i.e. Judas Priest getting sued because somebody claimed the words "Do it" heard in song when played backwards caused their kid to kill himself)
3. I don't recall as many people emulating metal groups back then as much as rappers get emulated today.


Well, there's just more people today, and everything is much more extreme. I think there were as many emulations though - Think of mainstream comedic characters like Bill & Ted, or Wayne & Garth - everyone got those characters because we knew, or were ourselves, a lot like that. If something gets to that point of parody, it is pretty widely accepted.

And I'm not just talking about backmasking, I'm talking about degradation of women, stuff like G N' R Lies riling people up ---- and not about the general public response --- they are the ones who are consistent, I'm talking about the defenders of free speech and the people who say music isn't to blame for affecting people for the worse. When it's rap music, things seem different.

A lot of it, I believe, is that most people believe that music and movies don't hurt people, when it is movies and music I like - Everything else is a danger to society because I don't want to hear it.

[Damone]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Well, there's just more people today, and everything is much more extreme. I think there were as many emulations though - Think of mainstream comedic characters like Bill & Ted, or Wayne & Garth - everyone got those characters because we knew, or were ourselves, a lot like that. If something gets to that point of parody, it is pretty widely accepted.

But look at what was being emulated then as opposed to now.

The guy on the album cover with his hair teased to the moon

vs

The guy on the album cover holding two pistols

I guess though this falls back into what you said about things being more extreme today.

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
And I'm not just talking about backmasking, I'm talking about degradation of women, stuff like G N' R Lies riling people up ---- and not about the general public response --- they are the ones who are consistent, I'm talking about the defenders of free speech and the people who say music isn't to blame for affecting people for the worse. When it's rap music, things seem different.

I mentioned backmasking since that's what people claimed caused teeneagers to commit suicide after listening to heavy metal, not anything in the actual lyrics.. I do agree that metal had alot of songs degrading women and the ones that were especially blunt about it, Fuck...Like A Beast immediately comes to mind, got alot of heat. But I believe people also subscribe to the "It's not what you say but how you say it" approach when it comes to music. After all, what's going to cause the bigger stir....

Oh yeah yeah yeah, don't let your lovin' go to waste
Oh honey child, I'm gonna give you a taste

or

Put your lips on my dick, and suck my asshole too

And if you don't mind me asking, who's these free speech defenders that come down harder on rap? I only ask because the only complaints I seem to notice or hear about come from the general public. I guess my idea of a free speech defender is someone in an actual position to defend someones right to free speech as opposed to Joe PonyKeg who believes in the right to free speech.

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
A lot of it, I believe, is that most people believe that music and movies don't hurt people, when it is movies and music I like - Everything else is a danger to society because I don't want to hear it.

And I completely agree with your last paragraph and I think it's always been like that. People being all for free speech as long as it's something they like but when it comes to something they don't like....ban it!

[Thrizzle]

The big problem is that these rappers are role models to kids who grew up or are growing up without father figures in their life. What these rappers are singing about only exacerbates that problem because this current generation is growing up thinking its OK to sell drugs or degrade women.

[Lynn7]

There has always been the underbelly of society from the beginning of times all the way to present day. The difference is that now it is easily available to everyone via internet and CDs and DVDS- everything can be listened to and watched in the privacy of one's home. No need to drive to the X rated theatre anymore and face a possible sighting by a neighbor- just download porn in the comfort of your home.

Violent and sexist rap music lyrics have been accepted because parents have either been in the dark about how bad they are, parents aren't paying attention, or cause some parents just don't care. The money kids spend on rap comes from the parents- the "musicians" and the music industry is going to chase the money. It is not really their fault I guess that they have been able to sell this vile stuff to the masses. Parents are responsible for protecting their kids from society's filthy side.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by BubbaStrangelove
Really, I don't get why there's so much double-standard when it comes to rap music. Whether or not the guy is singing a non-positive message, or if he's just the biggest mutherfucker in the world, music reflects society, it's not to blame for society.

But people like Cam'ron ARE the reason that society is the way it is. Cam'ron is actually telling people how to act and what to believe. I don't recall Judas Priest actually going on TV and telling people that it's ok to commit suicide. It's like the difference between violence in a video game and a video game character actually looking at the person playing and saying "do what I'm doing right now." The only kind of music I can think of that blatantly insists people go out and do horrible things the same way rap music does is black metal, which very few people have ever listened to.



For the record, I do love some rap music. I'm not trying to be the uptight white guy here.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Lynn7
There has always been the underbelly of society from the beginning of times all the way to present day. The difference is that now it is easily available to everyone via internet and CDs and DVDS- everything can be listened to and watched in the privacy of one's home. No need to drive to the X rated theatre anymore and face a possible sighting by a neighbor- just download porn in the comfort of your home.

Violent and sexist rap music lyrics have been accepted because parents have either been in the dark about how bad they are, parents aren't paying attention, or cause some parents just don't care. The money kids spend on rap comes from the parents- the "musicians" and the music industry is going to chase the money. It is not really their fault I guess that they have been able to sell this vile stuff to the masses. Parents are responsible for protecting their kids from society's filthy side.

It's harder for parents to monitor what kind of music their kids listen to these days, though. In the days of vinyl, the only records kids could possess had to be bought (or shoplifted). Now, it's possible for any kid to easily go and download every single 50 Cent record in one day. Plus, on the rare occasion that kid actually goes out and buys a CD, it's still easier because stores don't usually refuse to sell CDs with Parental Advisory stickers; and when the kid comes home with a CD his parents probably don't approve of, he could easily hide it as opposed to vinyl. Sure, it's the parents' job to monitor their music, but they're only human.