Live Free or Die Hard

[Bourne101]

http://www.joblo.com/big-poster-images/posterdiehard4-1.jpg

Directed by Len Wiseman

Genre: Action

Tagline: Yippee Ki Yay Motherfucker

When a criminal plot is in place to take down the entire computer and technological structure that supports the economy of the United States (and the world), it's up to a decidedly "old school" hero, police detective John McClane (Willis), to take down the conspiracy, aided by a young hacker (Long). (imdb)

Starring: Bruce Willis, Timothy Olyphant, Justin Long and Kevin Smith.

Rated PG-13 for intense sequences of violence and action, language and a brief sexual situation.

Runtime: 130 minutes

Now that the PG-13 has been established, I am trying to get over it and think of the positives that could come out of this movie. Yes, I am very upset that it is not R, but that is the way it is and it won't change unless there is an R rated DVD. Positives are the trailer looks good, the famous line will be said and the runtime is 2+ hours. I expect this to be a very good time at the movies.

[MadsenOMC]

I have said it elsewhere, but I will be passing on this one. The rating, the sidekick and the director are all negatives in my book. If you removed Willis and the title, there would be nothing left to indicate that this is a DH movie. It doesn't even look like dumb fun to me. Just dumb.

[Tuukka]

If the reviews are solid, I will definitely see this.

[ilovemovies]

Am I disappointed about the PG-13 rating? Yeah, of coarse I am. But I'm still excited as hell about this. This was always my #1 movie I was looking forward to and even with the PG-13 rating, it still is.


McClane had a sidekick in Die Hard With a Vengeance, so I don't have a problem with that. Especially since I like Justin Long. I've enjoyed him in just about everything I've seen him in, and that includes those computer commercials he's done. :D


The Underworld movies kick ass, so I definitely don't have a problem with the director.

And I'm sure Timothy Olyphant will make a kickass bad guy! He's always great.

I'm a little confused though as to whether Maggie Q is playing a good guy or bad guy????

[MadsenOMC]

I should have been more specific. A young and annoying sidekick. Justin Long sure as hell isn't Samuel L. Jackson. Not even close.

The Underworld movies are OK at best, and there is absolutely nothing special about the directing in either.

I love Olyphant, but it will be a useless and thankless villain role.

If this one doesn't suck ass, I will be shocked.

[Moviefan1234]

I'm not happy with the MPAA rating, but I'm hoping to sit down in the theatre and see something interesting and entertaining that at least holds me over until the unrated DVD release comes out.

[Mr.HyDe807]

Originally posted by Tuukka
If the reviews are solid, I will definitely see this.

Agreed

[Ron34]

yea i have to wait for the reviews on this one. im kind of disspointed from all the pg-13 talk and the sidekick. but lets see.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I love Olyphant, but it will be a useless and thankless villain role.
That is what I fear. If they don't give Olyphant anything fun to do, I'll be pissed.

I love Die Hard to death, and I will see this in theatres. My expectations have been officially lowered, and I doubt McClane will be the badass he was in the previous installments.

Live Free or Die... Sort of Hard.

[Strider]

Due the PG-13 rating and the PG-13 rating only, I will be passing on Live Free or Die Hard. Nothing about the Die Hard series or John McClane screams out "PG-13."

Absolutely nothing.

Fuck Fox - they're not getting my $10.

Strider

[RandalGraves]

Originally posted by Strider
Due the PG-13 rating and the PG-13 rating only, I will be passing on Live Free or Die Hard. Nothing about the Die Hard series or John McClane screams out "PG-13."

Absolutely nothing.

Fuck Fox - they're not getting my $10.

Strider
I want to pass on this soo bad cause of that, but I don't know If I can...but I'll tell u one thing, there better be an unrrated dvd!

[FilmKing2000]

PG-13 or not, I'm pretty indifferent towards this movie and the Die Hard franchise in general. It might do for a weekend matinee once it is released on dvd, but for now, no thanks.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Regardless of the PG-13 rating, the movie looks like it'll be a fun two hours at the cinema. I'm there.

[MidnightAngel]

Did they chose to put a PG-13 rating to compete with Transformers? Guess so.

This is a Die Hard sequel the whole family can see. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Did they chose to put a PG-13 rating to compete with Transformers? Guess so.

This is a Die Hard sequel the whole family can see. :rolleyes:

Fox's line of thinking is that the PG-13 rating will allow more people to see it. However, the film was shot for an R, so we'll definitely see an unrated DVD down the line.

And, hey, according to Willis, despite the rating, the "Yipee ki-yay" line is full and in tact. Not to mention that you can pretty much say any other cuss word as much as you want in a PG-13 film (so we'll probably hear a lot more words along the lines of "shit").

Personally, I think people are too hard on the fillm thus far based on the rating. Anytime I see a preview, I get a big shit eating grin on my face. It looks like a good time. I'll stick with waiting to judge the film until I see the final product.

[MadsenOMC]

I think there is more to worry about than just the rating. Are you positive that this was shot for an R and later cut to PG-13? How do you know for sure?

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I think there is more to worry about than just the rating. Are you positive that this was shot for an R and later cut to PG-13? How do you know for sure?

I'm pretty sure I read that in an interview with Willis. Apparently he was disappointed that the film was "cut down" but still enjoyed it much more than the other sequels.

Edit: Here's the Ain't It Cool article on it from a couple months back. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32511

The only difference is that Willis apparently still loves the new film as much as the first, which isn't how he felt about the previous sequels. And since Bruce is a no bullshit kinda guy, I'll take his word for it. :)

[Worthystevens]

Bruce lied. :(

There was an advanced screening in Germany a few days ago, and while the reviews were positive (it's a plus), they confirmed that the line will be 'Yippie-ki-yay mother'- and then the 'fucker' part of it is cut out. :( :mad:

Anyways, the reviews (it's all in German, so there needs to be translating if you don't speak it) :

http://www.moviegod.de/kino/kritik/1062/stirb-langsam-40
http://www.filmering.at/content/view/385/100/
http://www.filmstarts.de/produkt/38276,Stirb%20langsam%204.0.html

[Jig Saw 123]

I was excited about this movie one year ago, but over time with casting choices and the mpaa rating ill be passing on this movie.

[MadsenOMC]

Willis has 20 million reasons to BS about the movie. I also find it very hard to believe that the DVD version will be significantly different from the theatrical version.

[Shockwave]

Im sure itll be a fun little action movie, but with a PG-13 rating, thats about all its going to be. "fun little action movie".

I just cant get all that excited for this anymore.

[CyclicNightmare]

When has the rating EVER determined the quality of the film?

[Shockwave]

Very often when the movie gets trimmed to fit the rating. Quality is usualy lost.


Im not saying it wont be good, but i really doubt its going to stack up to the 3rd, and it has no hope of matching the first. I can only take so many bloodless explosions and a non-swearing Mclane has me abit miffed.

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Willis has 20 million reasons to BS about the movie. I also find it very hard to believe that the DVD version will be significantly different from the theatrical version.

Except for the fact that he's been pretty open about not caring for the other two sequels as much. So the fact that he's praising this one so much means a lot, at least to me.

and a non-swearing Mclane has me abit miffed.

Just because he won't get to say "fuck" 8 million times doesn't mean that he won't be swearing. There are plenty of other cuss words that can be uttered by McClane with a PG-13 rating. It's not like the film is rated PG or G or anything.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
When has the rating EVER determined the quality of the film?

I see your point, but let's remember precedent here. This is the fourth entry in a series. Apparently this one is quite different from the previous three. People have legitimate reasons to be concerned about the quality of this one.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by Mr. Fred Krueger
Except for the fact that he's been pretty open about not caring for the other two sequels as much. So the fact that he's praising this one so much means a lot, at least to me.


I don't know. He gets paid huge $ to say the movie is great. What else would he say? It's not that he needs to say "fuck" a hundred times, but the change in rating could take away some of McClane's edge. He could lose some of the characteristics that people love about him.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I also find it very hard to believe that the DVD version will be significantly different from the theatrical version.

If what Bruce Willis is saying is true, and that's a big if, I don't see why the studio wouldn't release a DVD version that is unrated or director's cut or something along those lines. It's more money in their pocket. I'm just praying extra footage was shot for that purpose.

[MadsenOMC]

I don't doubt that there will be an unrated DVD, just that it will be significantly different. I think Fox planned a PG-13 from the start.

[Cronos]

PG-13 + Justin Long = me wait for real Die Hard on dvd

[Mr. Fred Krueger]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I don't know. He gets paid huge $ to say the movie is great. What else would he say? It's not that he needs to say "fuck" a hundred times, but the change in rating could take away some of McClane's edge. He could lose some of the characteristics that people love about him.

True, and I can see why people may be worried about losing McClane's edge, but based on what we've seen in trailers and TV spots, I really don't see cause to worry. It still looks like the John McClane I enjoyed watching in the first two flicks and the film itself looks just as intense as the others.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Cronos
PG-13 + Justin Long = me wait for real Die Hard on dvd
You know that version will still have Justin Long, right?

I'm gonna wait to pass judgment.

[MadsenOMC]

I love a good R-rated action movie, and I feel like they don't make enough of them anymore. It's sort of a floundering genre these days. I can't help but wish this was R.

[ilovemovies]

I agree. So far, as far as I can remember, this year we've only had one good, solid R rated action flick and that was Shooter. Although the resolution of that movie was kind of disappointing.

I am REALLY disappointed that Live Free or Die Hard can't be another one to add.

But at least next year they'll be the Rambo movie which looks really good.

Still, one or two of them a year is not enough. :(

[LordSimen]

Edit: My bad, I didn't see the action comment.


Anyway, I refuse to see this movie based on the PG-13 rating alone. I'm sorry. This is Die Hard, not Transformers. It doesn't need a kiddy audience.

[MadsenOMC]

Mr. Brooks and Hostel II are not action movies.

[ilovemovies]

I was talking about action movies.

Mr. Brooks is a thriller and Hostel: Part II is a horror flick.


I guess 300 counts as an R rated action flick, but I didn't like 300. Ditto for The Condemned. And I missed Grindhouse (I was pissed about missing that one) and Pathfinder.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
I was talking about action movies.

Mr. Brooks is a thriller and Hostel: Part II is a horror flick.


I guess 300 counts as an R rated action flick, but I didn't like 300. Ditto for The Condemned. And I missed Grindhouse (I was pissed about missing that one) and Pathfinder.

I did love 300 and Grindhouse, I suppose those count.

[Shockwave]

300 owned and has -so far- been the best action movie ive seen this year.

I really doubt DIE HARD will top it with such a PG-13 rating. As ive said before, i still think it will be good, and i know they have said its going to be a very close PG-13, but the fact is its just not going to be as hard hitting with such a limiting rating.

Ther fourth movie in a very profitable series is not the time to pussy out on the action. When every entry in the series has well earned its rating, a step down in what can and will be shown doesnt exactly fill me with confidence.

[ilovemovies]

I'm sorry but a part from some neat visuals and a solid performance from Gerard Butler, I didn't like 300. It was lame and hokey. Awful voice over narration that boggs down so many scenes and too many horrible slow motion shots and other bs stuff that ruins so many of the action scenes.


IMO, there is no way that Live Free or Die Hard can't NOT be better than 300.

[optimus1]

There are a few extended clips on the Aint it cool site , about 10 mins worth...so far the general reaction from the talkbackers is surprisingly negative :rolleyes:

[MadsenOMC]

Oh shit. You dissed 300 ilovemovies. I know how most people around here feel about it (I haven't seen it). You better duck and cover. :)

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by optimus1
There are a few extended clips on the Aint it cool site , about 10 mins worth...so far the general reaction from the talkbackers is surprisingly negative :rolleyes:

To be fair to DIE HARD, talkbackers on AICN are usualy negative to most everything.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
I'm sorry but a part from some neat visuals and a solid performance from Gerard Butler, I didn't like 300. It was lame and hokey. Awful voice over narration that boggs down so many scenes and too many horrible slow motion shots and other bs stuff that ruins so many of the action scenes.


IMO, there is no way that Live Free or Die Hard can't NOT be better than 300.

Im the reverse, i cant se how it can possible be better. Itll be like all the other DIE HARD films, but a lesser version of them.

....that being said, ive been wrong before, and SURPRISE, i can actualy see how someone can dislike 300, or downright hate it. Its far from perfect.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by gyro_44
You know that version will still have Justin Long, right?
i know, and that makes me a sad panda :(

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
I love a good R-rated action movie, and I feel like they don't make enough of them anymore. It's sort of a floundering genre these days. I can't help but wish this was R.

Same here. The first two Jason Bourne movies and the James Bond movies are the best and only PG-13 rated action movies worth watching but the Die Hard films are so popular with its excessive violence giving it an R rating. Let's face it, Live Free or Die Hard will be this year's Alien vs. Predator.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Same here. The first two Jason Bourne movies and the James Bond movies are the best and only PG-13 rated action movies worth watching but the Die Hard films are so popular with its excessive violence giving it an R rating. Let's face it, Live Free or Die Hard will be this year's Alien vs. Predator.

In terms of a let down on a rating maybe, but im sure that theres no way in hell theres any way it can be as horrible as AVP. Just no way. AVP put me to sleep.

I dont even think itll be a bad film, just not up to par with what ive come to expect from the series. I still think itll be a fun little time at the movies.

[Spidey]

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[gyro_44]

The first review I've seen in English...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33072

He says it's pretty good.

[MadsenOMC]

Reads like a very mixed reaction to me.

[Mr-Blonde]

Reads like it confirms our worst fears about the film, namely that it is watered down Die Hard for the masses. FUCK THIS MOVIE.

No way I'll be blowing $9 on this kind of shit. If enough of us boycott maybe Fox will take notice.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Mr-Blonde
Reads like it confirms our worst fears about the film, namely that it is watered down Die Hard for the masses. FUCK THIS MOVIE.

No way I'll be blowing $9 on this kind of shit. If enough of us boycott maybe Fox will take notice.
Not a chance in hell.

The review is mixed to fairly positive I would say, but at least he says the action is entertaining and there's some good John McClane moments.

[MadsenOMC]

He admits to enjoying it while also voicing numerous complaints and stating that it's essentially a watered-down DH sequel. If that's all you're looking for, I guess you'll be satisfied.

[Mr-Blonde]

As for the language? First up, he doesn't say "Yippee Kay Ay Mother Fucker". He says "Yippee Kay Ay Mother Fu-GUNSHOT". It didn't outrage me as much as I thought it would have. It's a good moment in the film, and you can almost kid yourself that he says it... you get the point... but it's still a cheat.

Yeah... fuck this movie.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
He admits to enjoying it while also voicing numerous complaints and stating that it's essentially a watered-down DH sequel. If that's all you're looking for, I guess you'll be satisfied.

Sounds like its exactly what i thought it would be, given the rating.

A fun time at the movies, but in no way a rival to part 1 and 3.

Im really looking forward to seeing this myself. Ill be giving my ticket to something else of course.

[MadsenOMC]

On the one hand, there's certainly nothing wrong with a fun summer movie. On the other hand, it'll be hard to not be disappointed about what could/should have been. I know it's only fair to judge the movie that was made and not the one we wanted made, but if I ever see it I don't know if I will be able to be completely objective.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
On the one hand, there's certainly nothing wrong with a fun summer movie. On the other hand, it'll be hard to not be disappointed about what could/should have been. I know it's only fair to judge the movie that was made and not the one we wanted made, but if I ever see it I don't know if I will be able to be completely objective.

I know i wont.

Im going to go in expecting the same thing the rest of the franchise had to offer, and what this SHOULD have to offer. Balls to the wall action and violence, with one pissed off cop having a VERY bad day.

[ilovemovies]

If they ever make a 24 movie I hope it's rated R.

Oh, wait. 24 is a FOX show. Damn it! So much for that happening.

[MadsenOMC]

This is going to have its work cut out for it at the box office. It only has six days until Transformers opens. Plus, Ratatouille is Pixar and will be huge with all ages, and Sicko, like it or not, will do well with adult viewers (even if it's not a F9/11-size hit). So cutting the rating for maximum mass appeal could very easily backfire.

[ilovemovies]

What I hope happens is the movie flops and FOX realizes that the reason it flops was because of the PG-13 so they make Die Hard 5 and they make it a hard core R like the first three (the first two in particular) and they make it as a sort of an apology for the whole PG-13 fiasco.


Alas, that probably won't happen. If it flops then that'll probably be the end of the franchise. :( :mad:

[Shockwave]

Im still in shock that they can even MAKE a PG-13 Die Hard.:p

Maybe if they replaced Justin Long for Sam Jackson it could still work without all the blood and swearing, but as is, this is def not geared torward long term fans of the series.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
This is going to have its work cut out for it at the box office. It only has six days until Transformers opens. Plus, Ratatouille is Pixar and will be huge with all ages, and Sicko, like it or not, will do well with adult viewers (even if it's not a F9/11-size hit). So cutting the rating for maximum mass appeal could very easily backfire.

Very true, they better hope it pulls in big bucks on Wednesday and Thursday, and not fall too far behind on the weekend. Once Transformers opens, this one's pretty much toast.

[Mr-Blonde]

I guess that we'll always have the trilogy. This one just reeks of being another unnecessary sequel cash in. The fact that they are marketing this to teens now is revolting.

It's a shame because Die Hard always represented the pinnacle of the Hollywood action movies to me. Now it is clear that Fox wants to take the balls out of the series. If that's what you want to see go right out and watch it opening day. I personally don't think that the studios should be rewarded when they pull this kind of crap!

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by gyro_44
The first review I've seen in English...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33072

He says it's pretty good.

Not for me. Fox has until next week to change it to PG-13 to R or they'll be expecting an upcoming flop. And speaking of lame PG-13 rated action films, does anyone remember Last Action Hero? It's one of Arnold's worst movies ever. :p

[Ender]

Title alone is enough to keep me out.

[optimus1]

This is going to be a 1 weekend wonder , I almost feel bad for Bruce. I think it will be entertaining but I am gonna guess it will make 60 million or so in its first weekend and then drop like a rock.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by optimus1
This is going to be a 1 weekend wonder , I almost feel bad for Bruce. I think it will be entertaining but I am gonna guess it will make 60 million or so in its first weekend and then drop like a rock.

I dont realyl feel that bad, Bruce has laready got his money out of it, and i could really care less about FOX.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by gyro_44
The first review I've seen in English...

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/33072

He says it's pretty good.

The good news of that review is that it certainly sounds like the possibility of an unrated cut of the film on DVD is rising.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Not for me. Fox has until next week to change it to PG-13 to R or they'll be expecting an upcoming flop. And speaking of lame PG-13 rated action films, does anyone remember Last Action Hero? It's one of Arnold's worst movies ever. :p

Blasphemy, that movie was genius because it was a PARODY of Arnold's previous movies and was cleverly written and well done. :p

[CuatroDiablos]

Bruce got the 20 million , but lost my respect because if he cared about HIS franchise this shit wouldn't be PG 13 , he would have refused to shoot this movie or the editing that happened...I guess he pussified for the money and he can get 20 million dollars making any movie he wants..but why fuck up Die Hard ?

[KiKrusher99]

I have a feeling this will be a lot like Terminator 3; enjoyable and entertaining to watch on the big screen, although not nearly as good as it's predecessors and like T3, any repeated viewings will be unbearable.

[gyro_44]

I liked the first half of Last Action Hero, it was pretty clever. The second half is stupid. But hey, it's not too bad on the whole.

I've heard many people ask if the rating ever determines the quality of a movie, and generally I don't think it does. But a PG-13 for this could spell doom because it might totally lose the edge of the previous installments.

I am going to see this movie (most likely opening night), and I am going to give it a chance. The review on Aint it Cool at least doesn't point to a total disaster, and says our good buddy John McClane is back and has lots of good moments. I'm ready to take a trip down nostalgia lane, even if it's PG-13. I want an intense, fun movie, and if Len Wiseman can deliver that without making McClane go too soft, I might end up having a good time with this.

Fuck I hope so.

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Blasphemy, that movie was genius because it was a PARODY of Arnold's previous movies and was cleverly written and well done. :p

Oh shit i forgot the whole film is a pseudospoof of action movies and action heroes like Arnold and Stallone. And going with the thread if they release a director's cut of Die Hard 4 it shouldn't supposed to say unrated version due that the film was originally intented as an R rated film. This sequel might compete with Spider-Man 3 for worst sequel and for worst actor in next year's razzie awards. :p

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by KiKrusher99
I have a feeling this will be a lot like Terminator 3; enjoyable and entertaining to watch on the big screen, although not nearly as good as it's predecessors and like T3, any repeated viewings will be unbearable.

I thought T3 was almost as good as the first one. By no means was it part 2, but at least it had balls. The ending was a great way to wrap things up and form a circle back to the first.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I thought T3 was almost as good as the first one. By no means was it part 2, but at least it had balls. The ending was a great way to wrap things up and form a circle back to the first.
I agree, although we seem to be in the minority here. I went into T3 with fairly low expectations and it delivered some kickass action and brought me back to the good old days, although for me it didn't measure up to Cameron's first two. But, I never expected it to.

That's sort of how I'm feeling about this. At this point I'm not expecting it to stack up to the other sequels (I enjoy Die Hard 2 quite a bit myself), but I sure hope it's fun.

[Strider]

Originally posted by Mr-Blonde
I guess that we'll always have the trilogy.

Indeed. Since I'm passing on Live Free or Die Hard, I will rewatch the Die Hard trilogy on its opening weekend instead, which, if you think about it, sounds a hell of a lot better.

Strider

[Shockwave]

Ill be seeing it, ill just be giving my ticket to 1408 or something of the sort.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by gyro_44
I agree, although we seem to be in the minority here. I went into T3 with fairly low expectations and it delivered some kickass action and brought me back to the good old days, although for me it didn't measure up to Cameron's first two. But, I never expected it to.

That's sort of how I'm feeling about this. At this point I'm not expecting it to stack up to the other sequels (I enjoy Die Hard 2 quite a bit myself), but I sure hope it's fun.

I agree with you two, T3 was awesome. It managed to stand on it's own two legs without relying on the first two, and still stay completely faithful to the first two movies and what they were about. It wasn't as good as 2, but I'd put it on par or slightly above 1 in terms of enjoyment.

Live Free or Die Hard looks like a fun ride, but, I personally won't be paying for it untill there's an unrated DVD. Because making a PG-13, watered down version of John McLane is NOT being faithful to the previous installments or the character himself.

[Mr-Blonde]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I thought T3 was almost as good as the first one. By no means was it part 2, but at least it had balls.

Actually it had tits and no balls! :D

[gyro_44]

For anybody who wants to check them out, there are several new clips here:

http://media.movies.ign.com/media/491/491519/vids_1.html

The jet scene actually looks completely awesome. I would say Wiseman definitely has the action thing covered.

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by gyro_44
For anybody who wants to check them out, there are several new clips here:

http://media.movies.ign.com/media/491/491519/vids_1.html

The jet scene actually looks completely awesome. I would say Wiseman definitely has the action thing covered.

Inspired by the jet scene at the end of True Lies?:rolleyes:

[movieme07]

I've gone so up and down on this one I have no expectations left for Wednesday, that being said I'm prepared for it to be a fun ride.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by gyro_44
For anybody who wants to check them out, there are several new clips here:

http://media.movies.ign.com/media/491/491519/vids_1.html

The jet scene actually looks completely awesome. I would say Wiseman definitely has the action thing covered.

Wiseman knows how to stage action scenes, in fact he does it better than McTiernan has done in the last 10-15 years. I always wonder how the hell McTiernan was a great action director in the 80's, but started getting worse and worse as his career progressed. Even in DH3 the first hour is admittedly great, but the 2nd hour is really choppy in terms of action.

The fighter scene is very over the top, but it also looks pretty awesome as popcorn fun. But I kinda regret watching it, because it spoils the pay-off for the scene.

Wiseman luckily doesn't do any of that quick cutting shaky camera crap. He actually stages and coreographs his action scenes well, instead of just shooting 200 hours of coverage and trying to find his way around it in the editing room. I respect that, because I love a well coreographed action scene.

[thedudeman69]

My god, I find it hilarous that the F-bomb hounds think the 4th Die Hard movie is going to suck because John doesn't say Yi Pee Ki Yay Motherfucker. I mean, come on, you people need to get the fuck over it, and go see the movie and support bruce! I am seeing it.


Also, how do we know the Unrated is going to be better? because it has more fucks in it?

[ilovemovies]

It's not a Die Hard movie without the Yippi-kyay motherfucker line!

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
My god, I find it hilarous that the F-bomb hounds think the 4th Die Hard movie is going to suck because John doesn't say Yi Pee Ki Yay Motherfucker. I mean, come on, you people need to get the fuck over it, and go see the movie and support bruce! I am seeing it.


Also, how do we know the Unrated is going to be better? because it has more fucks in it?

I would think that if someone had taken the time to actually read all of the posts here, it would be completely obvious that it is hardly just the lack of F-words that has people concerned.

[NightStalkerGtx]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
My god, I find it hilarous that the F-bomb hounds think the 4th Die Hard movie is going to suck because John doesn't say Yi Pee Ki Yay Motherfucker. I mean, come on, you people need to get the fuck over it, and go see the movie and support bruce! I am seeing it.


Also, how do we know the Unrated is going to be better? because it has more fucks in it?

Go ahead and support Bruce Willes making shitty career choices. Maybe in a couple of years we can have Die Hard 5, with a PG rating.

GO SUPPORT A MOVIE THAT SAYS "YOU JUST KILLED A HELICOPTER WITH A CAR"

[Backstabba]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
My god, I find it hilarous that the F-bomb hounds think the 4th Die Hard movie is going to suck because John doesn't say Yi Pee Ki Yay Motherfucker. I mean, come on, you people need to get the fuck over it, and go see the movie and support bruce! I am seeing it.


Also, how do we know the Unrated is going to be better? because it has more fucks in it?

McClane without "fucks" is like a Bond movie without a Bond woman.
Or a X-Men movie without mutant powers.
Or a Transformers movie where no one Transforms.
Or a Friday the 13th Movie where no one is killed.
See where I'm going?

It looks fun, and it still looks perdy badass, but it's just not "PURE" Die Hard.

And no Yippie Kai Yay Mother fucker is like no "Bond, James Bond" in a Bond movie.
Or etc.
Or etc.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Inspired by the jet scene at the end of True Lies?:rolleyes:
Probably. I don't fucking care.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Also, how do we know the Unrated is going to be better? because it has more fucks in it?

Well we won't know how the quality of it will be until it is released, but one thing we know in advance is that it will have a harder edge to it, much like the first three films in the series.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
fuck over it, and go see the movie and support bruce! I am seeing it.


Also, how do we know the Unrated is going to be better? because it has more fucks in it?

That would be a good start, yes.

A PG-13 really limits what they can say/show in this.

Imagine if u will, a PG-13 DIE HARD 3. I cant. They would have to edit out half the talking between Jackson and Willis.:p

[CyclicNightmare]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
People have legitimate reasons to be concerned about the quality of this one.
That's fine. I just don't think its MPAA Rating should be one of them.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by CyclicNightmare
That's fine. I just don't think its MPAA Rating should be one of them.

Why not? When a series has established itself a certain way, and people love it for that, why don't they have a right to be pissed off if there are some changes to what they have come to love about it? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[InvaderZim]

Originally posted by Shockwave
I thought T3 was almost as good as the first one. By no means was it part 2, but at least it had balls. The ending was a great way to wrap things up and form a circle back to the first.

I agree.. i really enjoyed T3

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Why not? When a series has established itself a certain way, and people love it for that, why don't they have a right to be pissed off if there are some changes to what they have come to love about it? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Exactly.

No one is saying this is going to suck, but it IS going to be waterd down comapared to the rest of the series.

I cant even imagine the other Die Hard movies with a PG-13 rating. I just wanted to see the "i dont give a fuck!" Mclane back on screen in full force.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Why not? When a series has established itself a certain way, and people love it for that, why don't they have a right to be pissed off if there are some changes to what they have come to love about it? Seems perfectly reasonable to me.


Oh, just because he doesn't cuss in a movie, people won't see it? I find that utterly stupid.

[Worthystevens]

It's not just about the cussing. John McClane is a rated R character point blank, and the swearing is a part of his personality. The dude who once killed a terrorist by sticking an icicle through the eye, shot multiple rounds up a guy's legs, and walked barefoot in a room full of glass. Taking away his ability to cuss and be as brutal as he needs to be is like taking Rocky Balboa's never-give-up attitude. It's blasphemous.

Oh and he likes an occasional cigar every now and then, with smoking now a part of the rating system. :rolleyes:

[MisterTwister]

Utterly stupid? I don't think so

The PG-13 is going to take away the edge the McClane charcther has. McClane swears, alot. That's who he is and the PG-13 rating will take away that part. This may end up being a fun action picture but the PG-13 means were going to get a tame(r) Die Hard film and I'm not into that.

[MidnightAngel]

This is gonna look like a high budget sequel to Mercury Rising.

[Backstabba]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Oh, just because he doesn't cuss in a movie, people won't see it? I find that utterly stupid.

We're not saying "no one will see it". We're saying that they CHANGED the McClane character. He's a foul-mouthed, brutal, ass-kickin' sumbitch. Now he can only kick ass as long as there's not too much blood and he can only say "fuck" once, as long as it doesn't start with "mother" or reference sex.

Like I keep saying. Bond without ladies? Rocky without determination? Rambo without muscles? They're watering down McClane's badass-ness.

[Bourne101]

I am actually starting to look forward to Wednesday. It should be crowded at my theatre and it should be a good time.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Oh, just because he doesn't cuss in a movie, people won't see it? I find that utterly stupid.

Fine. Good for you. That's your opinion, and clearly you are in the minority. The rating bothers a lot of fans, and why shouldn't it? It is perfectly reasonable to be upset about a significant change to a series you love. And actually, not that many people have said they will never see the movie because of the rating. They said they're going to sneak into it or wait for DVD or whatever. I think you either intentionally misread things sometimes or just outright ignore things.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Oh, just because he doesn't cuss in a movie, people won't see it? I find that utterly stupid.
I'm totally baffled as to why you don't understand some of these people's concerns about the rating.

Die Hard has many fans, and these fans have been waiting over a decade to see John McClane again. A PG-13 threatens to soften many, many things that made McClane and this franchise fun and hard-edged. We don't want Die Hard to lose its attitude in an attempt to draw in a teenage crowd. Did you think it was silly when people were upset about Alien vs Predator's PG-13 rating? Was it wrong then to expect more of the same violence and gore that we had been seeing in every installment in both of those franchises? People come to expect certain things from their favorite series'. When the studio threatens to change that, some people get worried. I understand.

Having said that, I am not going to avoid the film because of the rating. I plan to see it opening night.

Again, no idea why you can't at least make the leap to understand the folks who are concerned, even if you disagree (which is fine). Especially when it's plainly obvious that the movie is being neutured for a more general audience.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by gyro_44
I'm totally baffled as to why you don't understand some of these people's concerns about the rating.


He likes to argue with me. He has made that clear here and elsewhere. I don't think he even cares what the issue is, he sees what I say and then suddenly he has the opposite opinion. Great post though. Extremely well-said.

[Worthystevens]

Originally posted by gyro_44
I'm totally baffled as to why you don't understand some of these people's concerns about the rating.

Die Hard has many fans, and these fans have been waiting over a decade to see John McClane again. A PG-13 threatens to soften many, many things that made McClane and this franchise fun and hard-edged. We don't want Die Hard to lose its attitude in an attempt to draw in a teenage crowd. Did you think it was silly when people were upset about Alien vs Predator's PG-13 rating? Was it wrong then to expect more of the same violence and gore that we had been seeing in every installment in both of those franchises? People come to expect certain things from their favorite series'. When the studio threatens to change that, some people get worried. I understand.

Having said that, I am not going to avoid the film because of the rating. I plan to see it opening night.

Again, no idea why you can't at least make the leap to understand the folks who are concerned, even if you disagree (which is fine). Especially when it's plainly obvious that the movie is being neutured for a more general audience.

Geronimo, motherfucker! :D

[CuatroDiablos]

I wonder if this movie was even shot to be rated R in the first place..? The whole film gives a PG 13 vibe and it doesn't look to have that Die Hard feel to it...just me.

This movie should be called... Save the Mac guy before he Dies Hard...I know I am lame.

[gyro_44]

Positive reviews from both Lou Lumenick of the New York Post and Jack Matthews of the New York Daily News:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06242007/entertainment/movies/lights__camera__ancient__movies_lou_lumenick.htm

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2007/06/24/2007-06-24_never_say_die-2.html

[MadsenOMC]

A negative review, for balance. Those positive reviews struck me as being generous, like the critics were surprised it didn't suck as much as they thought it would.

http://www.montrealfilmjournal.com/review.asp?R=R0001112

[thedudeman69]

Gyro, people are fucking overreacting horribly to the rating.

[Bourne101]

Sounds like it is fun and entertaining, just not as sharp and good as the original Die Hard.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Gyro, people are fucking overreacting horribly to the rating.

No, they're not. I'd say you're the one with the problem. People have every right to be upset about the rating, something you can't seem to grasp for some reason.

[CuatroDiablos]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2007/06/24/2007-06-24_never_say_die-2.html


This guy didn't like either of the first 3 die hard fiilms so his opinion is bullshit to me.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Gyro, people are fucking overreacting horribly to the rating.

No we're not. Were fanboys who are upset that one of our favorite series is being toned down for the PG-13 audience. McClane swears, alot and beats the shit out of people and with the PG-13 rating he will barley swear and although he will still beat the shit out of people, it will go only as far as PG-13 rating will let it go. I'm sorry we're upset that FOX has watered down Die Hard for the bratty 13 year olds.

I hope Shoot 'Em Up is Rated R, looks like fun.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by MisterTwister
I hope Shoot 'Em Up is Rated R, looks like fun.

Producer Don Murphy has become a regular poster at David Poland's blog. He told me today that Shoot 'Em Up is rated R.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
No, they're not. I'd say you're the one with the problem. People have every right to be upset about the rating, something you can't seem to grasp for some reason.


Oh, I grasp that. But, they have stupid reasons to be upset.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Oh, I grasp that. But, they have stupid reasons to be upset.

No, they don't. You're wrong about this. If they decided to make Blade 4 and it ended up being PG-13, fans of the series would have every right to be upset. If they someday make Terminator 4 and it ends up being PG-13, fans of the series would have every right to be upset. Fans of the Alien and/or Predator series had every right to be upset about the rating of AVP. I could go on and on with examples.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Gyro, people are fucking overreacting horribly to the rating.
That's your opinion, and I understand it. But maybe Die Hard isn't as near and dear to you as it is to many other fans here. We just don't want to see a winning formula messed with.

And I don't mean to show a bias, but here's another positive review from the Hollywood Reporter:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film/reviews/article_display.jsp?JSESSIONID=lnFkG1thvLJT2znLJBn tH86dkmQL4wQyJnrlz2BT3Bh6nhKW9QhQ179718506&&rid=9415

Kirk Honeycutt really liked it, I'm pleasantly surprised. Maybe this will go over better with critics than expected.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
No, they don't. You're wrong about this. If they decided to make Blade 4 and it ended up being PG-13, fans of the series would have every right to be upset. If they someday make Terminator 4 and it ends up being PG-13, fans of the series would have every right to be upset. Fans of the Alien and/or Predator series had every right to be upset about the rating of AVP. I could go on and on with examples.


Oh,what a way to push your point. Pick out two shitty PG-13 movies and it validates your point.


Batman Begins was PG-13 and there was alot of R-Rated stuff that it got away with. It had a ton of dark shit in it, too. I am saying there probably be some R-rated stuff that it will get away with in this.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Oh,what a way to push your point. Pick out two shitty PG-13 movies and it validates your point.


Batman Begins was PG-13 and there was alot of R-Rated stuff that it got away with. It had a ton of dark shit in it, too. I am saying there probably be some R-rated stuff that it will get away with in this.

There were 0 moments of R-rated material in Batman Begins. There were some things in it that would be in R rated movies. But that is like when McClane says "shit" in Die Hard, it can be in PG-13 rated films because it doesn't classify as R.

[MadsenOMC]

Originally posted by thedudeman69
Oh,what a way to push your point. Pick out two shitty PG-13 movies and it validates your point.


Um, did you read my post? I gave a few examples, and there are many more. I hope they remake Oldboy and give it a PG-13. I'm sure you'd be thrilled with that.

[Mr-Blonde]

Everything about this film reeks of unnecessary cash in.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Mr-Blonde
Everything about this film reeks of unnecessary cash in.
As opposed to all the other summer blockbusters so far which were.... necessary cash-ins?

I don't see how this is any worse. Other than that rating of course.

[SpikeDurden]

Is it rated PG-13? Yeah. Are there other problems or reasons to make me skeptical? Sure.

But you know what? Its Bruce Willis as John McClane.

I'm there.

[Mr-Blonde]

Originally posted by gyro_44
As opposed to all the other summer blockbusters so far which were.... necessary cash-ins?

I don't see how this is any worse. Other than that rating of course.

Those were also unnecessary cash-ins, but at least they stayed true to their formula. A nuetered John McClane running around protecting a hacker geek to save the world against some technovillian sounds beyond lame to me.

But to be honest there hasn't been a sequel released yet this summer that has motivated me to want to go to the cineplex.

[MisterTwister]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Producer Don Murphy has become a regular poster at David Poland's blog. He told me today that Shoot 'Em Up is rated R.

Thanks Madsen! That's good to hear.

[Mr.HyDe807]

How about we just see the fucking movie before we all love/hate it. Alright, its PG-13, im just as pissed as everyone else, but does that mean it wont be a good flick. Maybe some people will like it, some people will hate with a passion. Myself, if i get a chance, ill check this flick out if i can. It looks like its gonna be enjoyable :D

[Shockwave]

Making this PG-13 was a big mistake to me. In the end its going to really limit what they can show and do.

I think it will still probably be a fun little movie, but it makes me sad that were going to see the same level of violence from this as we are Transformers, which was a kids show. Huzza for explosions.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by SpikeDurden
Is it rated PG-13? Yeah. Are there other problems or reasons to make me skeptical? Sure.

But you know what? Its Bruce Willis as John McClane.

I'm there.

Ditto

[Bourne101]

Very, very, very, very, very early and there are only 6 reviews, but it is sitting at 83% at RT.

[thedudeman69]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
Um, did you read my post? I gave a few examples, and there are many more. I hope they remake Oldboy and give it a PG-13. I'm sure you'd be thrilled with that.


The Idea died as fast as it was introduced. Justin Lin said he wouldn't be doing the remake at all.

[thedudeman69]

On Topic,


83 percent is pretty damn good for two days out of its release.

[NCarter]

I will def be checking out the midnight showing.

[Bourne101]

Now 92% on RT, with 12 reviews, and the cream of the crop at 100%.

[movieme07]

I do kind of resent the Montreal Movie Journal review that has this tagline:
"Bring, Back, McTiernan".
He did come back for Die Hard with a Vengeance and the bitching that ensued about that one still continues in some circles. I loved it personally, but McTiernan isn't an automatic good luck charm.

[Bourne101]

Yo Randal Graves, I see that you were looking for the song in the trailer. You can't download it on a P2P network (limewire, ares etc.) but go to this website below, right click the Live Free or Die Hard poster and click SAVE LINK AS. It should go to your ITUNES if you have it.

It's only 32 seconds long, but it is a crazy beat.

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by Bourne101
Now 92% on RT, with 12 reviews, and the cream of the crop at 100%.

OMG? WTF? BBQ?

[Bourne101]

It's now at 83% on RT with 23 reviews. I would say it will probably be in the 70's. The bad reviews are coming in slowly, and the good reviews are coming in fast.

I cannot wait to see this tomorrow.

[veddhead83]

Review

To settle the PG-13 vs. R battle... besides the lack of F-BOMBS, this should have been rated R. The violence is constant and there is enough other swear words to fill in for it. However, other Die Hards have been bloodier. I expect all of its glory to appear on DVD. On a side note, did anyone else notice some bad dubbing during this film? It seemed like there actually was swearing and they tried to edit it out, but the dubbing guy screwed it up...oh well.

On to the movie!!! This film was pretty bad-ass. The action was sweet, especially the Tunnel scene - "I ran out of bullets!" Willis was back to his smart ass McClane and I loved every second of him. I do think that Timothy Olyphant was a little out of his leauge to be playing a Die Hard villain - I mean he will always be compared to Rickman and Irons. He just wasn't intimidating.

The plot was okay, they never told you anything about why Olyphant was having his 'Firesale' until halfway through. Which brings me to one flaw in the story...
***SPOILER***If he is stealing every Americans money, what value will it have? World Economics 101 would tell him that every country depends on others to help keep the value and flow of money constant. As soon as America came under attack, other countries would freeze assets and so on...anyway...his stolen money would have no value whatsoever.
***END SPOILERS***
My other flaw was the jet/semi battle and the elevator shaft car wreck..neither fit in with the rest of the films action nor were either of them necessary. They didn't really advance the story and logically they were ridiculous. Also keep an eye out for re-appearing car glass....

However, those issues aside, I truly enjoyed this flick. Every movie will have its flaws and I can overlook "LFDH's." In a summer full of sequels, this one was the best so far...

***SPOILER***Just to add one more item...I knew an explosion or something would cause us not to hear his famous line. "Yippe Kiyay Mother FGUNSHOT!!!!!!!!!"***END SPOILERS***


"Live Free or Die Hard": B+

I rank the series:
1. Die Hard with a Vengeance
2. Die Hard
3. Live Free or Die Hard
4. Die Hard 2: Die Harder

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by CuatroDiablos
I wonder if this movie was even shot to be rated R in the first place..? According to an interview with Justin Long, the answer is YES. He said Bruce kept dropping Fucks in order to get the R, but they were taken out and Willis said they will be on the Unrated DVD. Read my review, it says something about the dubbing. I think there is your answer as well.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by veddhead83
Review

To settle the PG-13 vs. R battle... besides the lack of F-BOMBS, this should have been rated R. The violence is constant and there is enough other swear words to fill in for it. However, other Die Hards have been bloodier. I expect all of its glory to appear on DVD. On a side note, did anyone else notice some bad dubbing during this film? It seemed like there actually was swearing and they tried to edit it out, but the dubbing guy screwed it up...oh well.

On to the movie!!! This film was pretty bad-ass. The action was sweet, especially the Tunnel scene - "I ran out of bullets!" Willis was back to his smart ass McClane and I loved every second of him. I do think that Timothy Olyphant was a little out of his leauge to be playing a Die Hard villain - I mean he will always be compared to Rickman and Irons. He just wasn't intimidating.

The plot was okay, they never told you anything about why Olyphant was having his 'Firesale' until halfway through. Which brings me to one flaw in the story...
***SPOILER***If he is stealing every Americans money, what value will it have? World Economics 101 would tell him that every country depends on others to help keep the value and flow of money constant. As soon as America came under attack, other countries would freeze assets and so on...anyway...his stolen money would have no value whatsoever.
***END SPOILERS***
My other flaw was the jet/semi battle and the elevator shaft car wreck..neither fit in with the rest of the films action nor were either of them necessary. They didn't really advance the story and logically they were ridiculous. Also keep an eye out for re-appearing car glass....

However, those issues aside, I truly enjoyed this flick. Every movie will have its flaws and I can overlook "LFDH's." In a summer full of sequels, this one was the best so far...

***SPOILER***Just to add one more item...I knew an explosion or something would cause us not to hear his famous line. "Yippe Kiyay Mother FGUNSHOT!!!!!!!!!"***END SPOILERS***


"Live Free or Die Hard": B+

I rank the series:
1. Die Hard with a Vengeance
2. Die Hard
3. Live Free or Die Hard
4. Die Hard 2: Die Harder

Great to hear!

Currently 100% from the cream of the cop on RT. And yes, I will be informing about the RT ratings until Thursday!

[Bourne101]

Now at 84% overall at RT, with 29 reviews, and cream of the crop at 82%.

[MisterTwister]

Yeah I keep hearing that this movie feels R violence wise. HMMM, I might go and see this. I'm still mad about the gunshot thing (love the line and sadly will not get to hear all of it).

Undecided at this point.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by MisterTwister
Yeah I keep hearing that this movie feels R violence wise. HMMM, I might go and see this. I'm still mad about the gunshot thing (love the line and sadly will not get to hear all of it).

Yeah, the R violence wise is definitely a positive. The gunshot is definitely a negative. I will see it either way.

I will stop posting RT percentages until tomorrow when there are like 50+ reviews. That will give us a better idea. But so far, so good.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by Bourne101
I will stop posting RT percentages until tomorrow when there are like 50+ reviews. That will give us a better idea. But so far, so good.
I'll say... currently, 34 reviews and 85%. This is going to be one of the best-reviewed blockbusters of the summer. Color me surprised.

[Worthystevens]

RT's consensus is up...

MOVIE CONSENSUS
Live Free or Die Hard may be preposterous, but it's an efficient, action-packed summer popcorn flick with thrilling stunts and an commanding performance by Bruce Willis.

[ilovemovies]

Awesome. I can't wait to see it tomorrow! :cool:

[dfd3657]

I'm pleasantly surprised that it's getting well reviewed. I'm much more excited to see it now than I ever was.

[daddiefatsacks]

Gotta go with the flow, i enjoyed it for what it was.

Bruce Willis easily gets back into the John McClane role like it was nothing, considering the shitfests he's been in since the 1995 Die Hard, its amazing to see him ease into the McClane role.

As annoying as i thought Justin Long would be, he wasn't, he was actually pretty funny, as much as i hated the pg-13 rating, it didn't really bother me THAT much. This is pretty violent for a pg-13 movie, but of course it just seems so fuckin weird to not have McClane dropping F-bombs in an F-bomb situation.

Olyphant is pretty effective as the hacker/villain, he is so good at delivering lines and was pretty convincing. Maggie Q is hot and kinda wished she was in it longer.

The Fight scene between Willis and Q was good, i loved his lines during the fight - "Enough of this Kung-Fu shit!" Also his battle with the French dude produced the best line of the movie "damn hamster!"

Live Free or Die Hard IS a summer blockbuster, it has lots of action, some funny lines, a decent story, and a good villain, i am very surprised it turned out this well!

7/10

[Worthystevens]

^ I'd give the same assessment, except I'd rate it a 9/10. Definitely a lot better than what I feared it would turn out as.

One huge nitpick I had with this movie... The yippee-ki-yay line was absolutely butchered. I preferred the alternate line delivery in the trailers.

And also, some of the editing in this movie is painfully obvious, and some lines were noticeably dubbed over.

[NCarter]

The movie kicked my ass plain and simple. 3/4 stars.
I got blown through the back of the theater.

[ToiletBug]

Die Hard is back baby! LOVED IT!!!

Welcome to the party pal!

[Lemmywinks]

Just got back from a midnight showing, and unfortunately, I didn't think this was that great. Almost everything awesome that happens in this movie was shown in the trailers. It is a full blown action movie, and it was very entertaining (the action starts literally like 2 minutes after the credits), but it still has some big shortcomings. The villain gets thrown some BS motivation for what he's doing. If you think about it, it really makes no sense. I like my villains to at least have a somewhat believable plan.

SPOILERS*
Also, even though there is action, I wasn't really awed or surprised by much. You know that all the good guys are going to live. It never really felt like this movie took a risk. Also, the way Olyphant died was totally underwhelming. I don't know.
END SPOILERS*


It was allright I guess. The action was ok, Justin Long was fine, and Bruce did an allright job. It just didn't feel like Die Hard. Nothing really great, but given its shortcomings, if you're a die hard fan, you should at least see it to make up your own minds.

6/10

[FilmCritic3000]

By the way, 20th Century Fox is going to add digital blood to the bloodless action scenes when this movie hits DVD, no doubt as an "UNRATED" or "YIPEE KI YAY EDITION", with probably three minutes of footage not screened for the MPAA added back into the film, as that's usually all the "UNRATED" stamp means.

http://tinyurl.com/2jwt7h

Many movies get an 'unrated' version on DVD nowadays, and the extra material usually ends up being character development. But in the case of Live Free Or Die Hard, the DVD will at least partially deliver the film we wanted to see in the first place.

FDM has learned that FOX has already commissioned visual effects house Digital Dimension (who also worked on the film for theatrical release) to add digitally add blood into the bloodless action scenes we (or at least, I) will see in theaters when the movie is released on June 27th. Whether the profanity (test screenings have pointed out some obvious dubbing in a few scenes) will be restored remains unknown, but rest assured, those of you who like their Die Hard movies to be bloody (you know, like the first three, the ones we loved so much to want a fourth one in the first place?) might want to wait for DVD.

Ordinarily I abhor the "Wait for DVD" mentality as I truly love the theatergoing experience, but I will make a special exception in this case and actually ENCOURAGE it, as a means of revenge for fucking with my beloved franchise. They'll get my money (as will any BW film: I paid to see The Whole Ten Yards, I'll certainly pay to see this) but unless you're a similarly obsessive compulsive schmuck like me, feel free to wait.

Yippie Ki Yay, FOX!

[FilmCritic3000]

Since Tom Rothman started as president at the studio in 2000, there's been a steady stream of mindless pablum released by 20th Century Fox over the years - the Big Momma's House films, the Cheaper By The Dozen remake and its sequel, Date Movie, Epic Movie, The Omen remake, Night At The Museum - to name a few; meanwhile talented directors whose ideas aren't in line with the bland corporate mantra of the studio these days are buried because teenage test audiences "didn't get it" (i.e. Mike Judge's Idiocracy) or their projects are constantly micromanaged to death until it barely resembles its original conception or it leaves the director resolved never to work with the studio again. Thankfully, Fox Searchlight and Fox Atomic operate independently of the main studio, with their own presidents (Peter Rice is president of Fox Searchlight, Debbie Liebling of Fox Atomic), as these days most of the films these two specialty divisions release are much better than the rank offal the main studio releases.

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by Bourne101
Now at 84% overall at RT, with 29 reviews, and cream of the crop at 82%.

Update: Now it's at 75% and cream ot the crop at 86%. The film open tomorrow where i come from.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Update: Now it's at 75% and cream ot the crop at 86%. The film open tomorrow where i come from.

Now with 61 reviews. Like I said before, it should stay around the 70's. It might fall into the 60's, but we'll just have to wait and see.

[RandalGraves]

Going to see this and 1408 tonight, can't wait!

[veddhead83]

I told you guys about the bad dubbing.....it is everywhere....

[Worthystevens]

It wasn't just dubbing. Alot of the deaths were clearly and painfully edited... *cough*spiderboy*cough*.

[Lemmywinks]

Originally posted by veddhead83
I told you guys about the bad dubbing.....it is everywhere....

The only time I really noticed it was with Justin Long. When he and Bruce climb out of the van they crawled into before the building exploded. It was pretty bad. He was like, "Oh my god, what the hell are we going to do!?" When probably he really said, "Holy fucking shit motherfucker we almost fucking got blown up and.... shit!!"

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by RandalGraves
Going to see this and 1408 tonight, can't wait!

One hell of a double feature! That is, if Live Free or Die Hard is good. 1408 sure is!

[Trooper3]

i usually don't want to know to much about a movie before seeing it. But 1 question I'm dying to know.

Does Justin Long use a Mac?

[bigred760]

Saw a midnight showing last night, not bad not bad.

7/10

Will write a review later.

[CreeperBEATNGU]

Just got back. The rather tamed violence and Marco Beltrami not being very good at composing adrenaline-pumping action music are the only major problems with it.

Bruce and Maggie Q have the best one on one fight in a long time (yet another Asian woman I'm falling in love with), Olpyphant is a great villain that's completely different from his Scream 2 villain persona, Justin Long was likeable and good comic relief without being overly hokey or annoying, awesome set-pieces galore, and a very nice theme of a society with over-reliance on technology that they have an under-control of.

Other than Apocalypto, this is the best action film I've seen in a long time (until Shoot Em up and John Rambo get here, which will completely untamed).

[Trooper3]

but its there a shameless mac plug in the middle?

[psycheoutsteve]

Originally posted by MadsenOMC
No, they don't. You're wrong about this. If they decided to make Blade 4 and it ended up being PG-13, fans of the series would have every right to be upset. If they someday make Terminator 4 and it ends up being PG-13, fans of the series would have every right to be upset. Fans of the Alien and/or Predator series had every right to be upset about the rating of AVP. I could go on and on with examples.

Blade 3 was rated R and it still sucked ass...and ya Die Hard 4 would seem more fitting with an R rating, but the cussing still wouldn't save the film. I'm more interested to see where the story and action go in the fourth installment of the Die Hard series.

P.S. They shouldn't even make a Terminator 4 because fans would be complaining more about the fact that Arnold wasn't in it, nevermind the cussing and violence being toned down.

[g05]

Originally posted by FilmCritic3000
By the way, 20th Century Fox is going to add digital blood to the bloodless action scenes when this movie hits DVD, no doubt as an "UNRATED" or "YIPEE KI YAY EDITION", with probably three minutes of footage not screened for the MPAA added back into the film, as that's usually all the "UNRATED" stamp means.

http://tinyurl.com/2jwt7h

well if they have all that extra time to add blood, then why couldn't they just release the movie with the R rating and then just release a special edition DVD with all the graphic stuff cut out for a PG-13 DVD?! :mad:

[bob0mb]

just got back from watching this movie . must say i was rather impressed with it . 7 out of 10 (maybe 8 cuz i love this series so much)

even with the PG13 rating this movie still packed a punch, and i can totally see where they cut the film to acheive the rating and could hopefully add back in all the "off screen" action for an unrated DVD . i thought the rating would tarnish the series i loved so much growing up, but i was happy with the outcome

definite recommend for this one :)

[omegarich]

i thoroughly enjoyed this finale of the series. Action packed from beginning to the end. from the apartment shootout to the chase scenes to the bridge all had me on the edge of my seat. the only part that wasnt too thrilling were the 'warlock' scenes. other than that, a superb finish for a great series even with the pg-13 rating.

9/10

[Shockwave]

7/10

Exactly what i thought it would be. Solid would sum up this in one word.

A good, well made action film. Very hard for a PG-13, but nothing that out classes any other Die Hard move. More like a Die Hard lite.

One thing that gives me hope is that i could pretty easily see how this could get a R rating with a DVD release. Some scenes seemed like they had some stuff edited out.

..but yeah, overall, whileits the weakest effort of the series, its not bad by any means.


The only part that really pissed me off was when they coverd up the "Yippie Ki Yay, Mother Fucker!" Still pisses me off.:mad: Good thing i can handle a shit load of people dying as long as i dont hear anyone called a fucker.:p

[veddhead83]

Did anyone else notice the re-appearing glass??? Bruce breaks out the cars window to steal it and in the next scene while he and Long are talking, it is clearly back in place....

[Bourne101]

Jesus fucking Christ! Both showings tonight at my theatre are sold out and now I have to wait until tomorrow to see it. And I have to wait until the 9:00PM showing because the 6:30 showing is already sold out for tomorrow. You have no idea how pissed off I am right now. I did not expect it to be this busy.:mad:

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by Trooper3


Does Justin Long use a Mac?



According to James Berardilleni's review, Justin Long does a mac.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
According to James Berardilleni's review, Justin Long does a mac.
Whoa, he does a Mac? That's taking product placement to the next level!

I might be waiting a day or two to see this due to a busy schedule, but I'm looking forward to it.

[MidnightAngel]

Originally posted by Bourne101
Now with 61 reviews. Like I said before, it should stay around the 70's. It might fall into the 60's, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Here's another update from RT.

Still at 70% but the cream of the crop took a small plunge at 76%.

Please tell me, should i go and see it or instead make it a blockbuster nigih and wait for the unrated version?

[bob0mb]

Originally posted by veddhead83
Did anyone else notice the re-appearing glass??? Bruce breaks out the cars window to steal it and in the next scene while he and Long are talking, it is clearly back in place....

if you notice in some of the following scenes, it was the rear window that he broke :)

[veddhead83]

Originally posted by bob0mb
if you notice in some of the following scenes, it was the rear window that he broke :) No..he broke out the drivers side window...

[mutesaint]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Here's another update from RT.

Still at 70% but the cream of the crop took a small plunge at 76%.

Please tell me, should i go and see it or instead make it a blockbuster nigih and wait for the unrated version?

Go see it. It was a surprisingly good movie. A little over the top in a few scenes and sorely lacking in el efe but a damn fine flick.

[zombievictim]

For those that have seen it, how much is Winstead in this? :D I'm seeing this tomorrow and figured I mine as well find out so I don't keep hoping she shows up more and more.

[dman476]

Originally posted by zombievictim
For those that have seen it, how much is Winstead in this? :D I'm seeing this tomorrow and figured I mine as well find out so I don't keep hoping she shows up more and more.
She's definitely a hottie.

Let's see, she's in it for about 5 minutes in the beggining.
Then she comes on in the final act - rounding out to about 20 more minutes.

[zombievictim]

Originally posted by dman476
She's definitely a hottie.

Let's see, she's in it for about 5 minutes in the beggining.
Then she comes on in the final act - rounding out to about 20 more minutes.

Yay! That makes me a happy man. I was worried she'd barely be in it. Lord knows I've sat through a bunch of shit just because I knew she was in the movie. Not only is she gorgeous but she's a damn good actress too.

[dman476]

Originally posted by zombievictim
Yay! That makes me a happy man. I was worried she'd barely be in it. Lord knows I've sat through a bunch of shit just because I knew she was in the movie. Not only is she gorgeous but she's a damn good actress too.
...

Unfortunately, no shots of her in compromising apparel in this film...If you were curious. :p

[zombievictim]

Originally posted by dman476
...

Unfortunately, no shots of her in compromising apparel in this film...If you were curious. :p

Damn. Way to take my high hopes and then crash them to the floor. Just kidding. I actually like her as the innocent kind of girl. Unfortunately the next movie shes doing is some Save the Last Dance bullshit. There her talent goes right down the drain. :(

[MisterTwister]

Joblo reviewed it and gave it a 7/10.

The postive reviews are making it where I want to see it more.

[Worthystevens]

One teensy nitpick I have.

One of the settings in the movie is in Woodlawn, MD, and seeing as I grew up in Catonsville - which is damn near Woodlawn - I've been there many, many, many times. And let me say: Woodlawn is not too much like how they show in the movie. There's nothing high tech about the place. :p

[dman476]

Originally posted by zombievictim
Damn. Way to take my high hopes and then crash them to the floor. Just kidding. I actually like her as the innocent kind of girl. Unfortunately the next movie shes doing is some Save the Last Dance bullshit. There her talent goes right down the drain. :(
Haha, I get you though. She should have shown something. :D

But no, I first noticed how hot she was in Grindhouse.

Do you think she has any Asian in her? I don't know why, but I get that feeling for some reason...

[zombievictim]

Originally posted by dman476
Haha, I get you though. She should have shown something. :D

But no, I first noticed how hot she was in Grindhouse.

Do you think she has any Asian in her? I don't know why, but I get that feeling for some reason...

Haha. I don't think so. Why would you think that? But yeah she was definitely great to look at in Grindhouse. Unfortunately she was given the dim wit role with barely any lines to say. But apparently she's extremely smart in real life.

[movieme07]

I thought it was pretty good. Die Hard and Die Hard with a Vengeance were way better, but I thought it was better than Die Hard 2, a movie I liked overall in spite of itself. I thought Bruce Willis was awesome, the character still felt like the old days even without the f-word, Tim Olyphant was an alright villain, no Irons or Rickman though. The action scenes, though obviously fantastical were pretty good at getting the adrenaline going, and Justin Long and Mary Elizabeth Winstead were fairly brilliant at the sidekick roles, Winstead in particular. Strangely the Kevin Smith scene didn't do much for me, I'm a huge fan, but the scene played strangely and wasn't as funny as it was in the trailer.

8/10

[ilovemovies]

SPOILERS!










Awesome. Personally, I'd rank this below the first two but just a head of the third one.


The Yippi-kyay line was disappointing, however I LOVE that scene. How McClane kills Olyphant's character is friggin' awesome! Shooting himself so that the bullet goes through his shoulder and into Olyphant's chest, that was just the coolest thing.

The action scenes are definitely among the best of any movie this summer although this movie doesn't quite match Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End for pure spectacle. Still, the first action scene at Justin Long's character's apartment was great. The helicopter/car chase rocked. The elevator scene was terrific.


Other than the Yippi-kyay line and the fact that some of the language had obviously been cleaned up a little in the editing room, the PG-13 rating didn't bother me. Except, Olyphant says fuck one time in the movie, instead of him saying then, they should have used the fuck for the yippi-kyay motherfucker line instead.

Overall, the movie was great fun from start to finish.

[dman476]

Originally posted by zombievictim
Haha. I don't think so. Why would you think that? But yeah she was definitely great to look at in Grindhouse. Unfortunately she was given the dim wit role with barely any lines to say. But apparently she's extremely smart in real life.
I think it's her eyes.

Is she really? What have you heard that suggests she's smart?

@ilovemovies:

I don't think you're allowed to say MOTHERFUCKER in a PG-13.
At least that's what I remember...

[rmarti3926]

For a PG-13 entry to a formerly R-Rated film franchise, this is not half-bad. The action scenes are awesome, and the chemistry between McClane and the young hacker outclasses him and Samuel L. Jackson's character in the third film. The F-35 scene was intense and the fight scenes with Maggie Q and that agile gymnastic bad guy is pretty cool.

SPOILERS











For those of you who care deeply for famous lines, don't see this film, because McClane's "Yippie-Kay-Yay" line is censored in the end by a gunshot.

Otherwise...

8.5/10

[Tuukka]

It's interesting how after all the bad pre-release buzz, the film is being very well received now that people have actually seen it. On every site I visit the reception has been really supportive, hell even the majority of talkbackers at AICN are liking it.

I will see it in a couple of days myself.

[Backstabba]

Originally posted by dman476
I think it's her eyes.

Is she really? What have you heard that suggests she's smart?

You know how annoying it is to have to scroll up like 20 posts to see who the hell you're talking about?
:D

And I've been dying to see this, but I have no idea when I will (was supposed to be today, but all kinds of crap is going on so chances are slim)

[Bourne101]

Finally get to see it tonight at 9:00! I can't fucking wait.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

Originally posted by Tuukka
It's interesting how after all the bad pre-release buzz, the film is being very well received now that people have actually seen it. On every site I visit the reception has been really supportive, hell even the majority of talkbackers at AICN are liking it.
I'd say that when the expectations were that low, it's bound to get a lot of "better than I thought it would be" ratings. ;)

[bigred760]

I hope you're a big fan of John McClane because he's about the only reason to watch this movie. He is back. He's back to save his daughter, a hacker, and even the U.S. of A. He's still great with the one-liners, kicking all kinds of ass in all kinds of ways, and still knows how to handle terrorists who've taken hostage somebody he loves (this time his daughter).

Like I said, he's just about the only reason to check out the movie. There are a few instances that made me go "What the fu**?" A lot of the story seemed to be done for simplicity sake: driving to West Virginia, getting in and out high security places with a snap of a finger, McClane took flying lessons, finding a house in Baltimore, etc. That stuff didn't bother me that much, but it was very obvious - it stood out.

Also the action scenes seemed a little more over-the-top than I'm used to in a Die Hard movie. Well, particularly one action scene - the hopping on a figher jet and then onto a falling parking structure. Little much, even for Die Hard. But the rest, hell's yeah: car chases, a fight with a particular hot young Asian chick, fighting a guy that would've made Spider-man proud, and helicopters, SUVs, and tanker trucks. All kinds of ways for McClane to kill people.

You still love John McClane, man; the guy is so freakin' cool. After every gunfight or action scene, McClane sits or stands there calmly and lets out a little high-pitched chuckle that's freakin' hilarious. Not to mention he still knows how to piss off terrorist leaders, this time played by Timothy Olyphant. The villain started out kind of slowly, but the guy grew on me and turned out to be a pretty cool villain. His Asian hottie played by Maggie Q can kick my ass anytime. A subplot of the movie is they're after a hacker played by Justin Long, who so happens to be saved by our star McClane. Long does a great job alongside Willis delivering a few one-liners himself and handling all the action and whatnot that's going on around him. I'll throw in a shoutout to Mary Elizabeth Winstead playing McClane's hot daughter who gets thrown into the mess when things get personal. She's definitely got some McClane genes in there, no matter what she says is her last name (which is a little homage to the first, if I"m not mistaken).

Even though I was a little peeved at the movie's PG-13 rating, it still seems like a Die Hard movie. While that is mostly because of Bruce Willis and that he still knows how to play John McClane, there's still a lot of cursing, everthing was thrown around except the forbidden F-word. That would be a problem for the obligatory "Yippee-kay-ay motherfucker," but to be honest, I did like the way they incorporated it in, yes it was a bit of a sell-out I guess you could say. But it's John McClane, and John McClane can do anything he wants. It worked for me.

7/10

[zombievictim]

Originally posted by dman476
I think it's her eyes.

Is she really? What have you heard that suggests she's smart?

Graduated like top of her class at some fancy shmancy school. And yeah, I guess I can see it in her eyes.

[zombievictim]

I caught the early showing of this one. Yeah, I was a tad disappointed but I was expecting to be since this is a PG-13 sequel off of an R rated franchise. I knew the transition wouldn't work well. Willis did kick plenty of ass but it still just didn't feel like McClaine. I was very disappointed in that fact. Also, Olyphant was extremely miscast in this role. But I did appreciate how much he tried.

Let me just clear this up: Justin Long cannot act and should NOT be cast in anything besides a comedy. And boy is he one ugly son of a bitch to look at. I didn't like him in Dodgeball and Accepted but I absolutely hated him in this. I just kept thinking "How is he not dead yet? Someone shoot this fucker!". But the one saving grace of the characters was Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Definitely my favorite out of the "new" characters. She was gorgeous and I loved the whole father/daughter relationship. It was definitely funny to see her punch the guy in the face. She definitely reminded me of John McClaines daughter!

The action in this was also a tad over the top for a Die Hard movie. It just didn't feel like a Die hard movie at all because the action just didn't fit. I mean, Die Hard is all about real stunts, not all this CGI shit. Leave that for a Michael Bay movie, not this one. A definite downer. The one bit I did like was the fight with Maggie Q, which was pretty cool.

Overall, I it was enjoyable but the illogical aspect just bothered me to no extent. The saving graces happened to be Winstead, Wilis kicking ass, Winstead, Len Wiseman's incredible directing, and did I mention Mary Elizabeth Winstead?

7/10

[cletus66]

Live Free or Die Hard is porbably the weakest of the Die Hard movies, but it is still a pretty good action movie. It is just not up to the Die Hard standards. I thought Bruce Willis did a good job playnig John Mclane for the first time in over a decade. The best newecomer was definitely Mary Elizabeth Winstead, she was perfect as Mclane's daughter.

I really think the movie would have been better if they just went for the R rating though. The three previous Die Hard's were rater R and highly successful so why change the formula with a PG-13 version.

7.5/10

[RandalGraves]

Not as good as I was expecting, but still overall a good flick. I loved how mclane and justin long would both mouth the word fuck, but they actually said shit, it happened noticably several times lol. But I can't wait for the dvd.

[smok3h]

--SPOILER MAYBE--

They dont' completely cover-up motherfucker at the end of Yippi Ki Ay, you actually can hear "motherfuck-" but the "er" is the only thing covered up.

[athf1980]

it's a very solid action flick. Great action scenes. Willis was great as John. Long was good as the helper. 4/5. It's no near the greatness that is first Die Hard. But as summer popcorn movie it rocks. PG-13 did not hurt much in the violence. This probably the most violent pg-13 that I have seen a long time. Not hearing the word fuck eight billions time was kinda of relieve.

[Bourne101]

Live Free or Die Hard - 9/10

Grab your popcorn and leave your brain at the door, Live Free or Die Hard is here and it is fucking great! At a sold out show full of Die Hard fans, I was hooked from the opening credits, until the end credits. The action sequences are non-stop and perfectly executed. They go over the top sometimes, but it's Die Hard, come on. Bruce Willis gives his best Die Hard performance since the first one. His hilarious one-liners and edgy, kickass attitude lead the way through this fine action flick; and by the way, the PG-13 rating takes very little edge off of McClane's character. Justin Long surprised the hell out of me and did a really great job and also had some great lines. I didn't particularly like Timothy Olyphant, and at one time the theatre was laughing at how bad he was delivering a line. That would be the only fault of this movie, although he does have a few good scenes where he showed signs of the evilness needed for the Die Hard antagonist. The PG-13 rating didn't bother me that much. Die Hard really isn't about bloodletting, and that is really all that was missing from the violence. There were some brutally violent scenes that I have no idea got past the MPAA for a PG-13. The only let down from the PG-13 were the F-bombs. They weren't needed, but they were definitely wanted. The whole theatre was filled will only adults, so I don't think an R would hurt the business, it might make it better if anything. And finally with the "Yippee Ka Yay Motherfucker" line, if you listen closely you can tell that FUCKER is said. It's just more of a grunt. It was delivered with perfect timing to. So the movie is pretty much a perfect description of what a fun action flick needs to be. The only negatives are Timothy Olyphant and lack of f-bombs. Other than that, no complaints. The best movie of the summer besides Knocked Up and the second best in the Die Hard series behind the original.

[therealjohng]

I can't believe the one that's rated PG-13 is the best one in the series.


8/10.

[franky4fingerz]

one of the better summer movies. 8/10

[Mentiroso]

I loved it. Will have to rewatch a couple of times to figure out where it rates among the other three. I know it is better than 2. Not sure how it ranks against 1 and 3 though. I think I was the only one in my theater to laugh at the "Agent Johnson" line.

[mutesaint]

Originally posted by Mentiroso
I think I was the only one in my theater to laugh at the "Agent Johnson" line.


Me Too!!!!!:p

[Tuukka]

I loved this movie. I had a blast. It's EASILY the best Die Hard movie since the first one. Pretty much everything works in this.

John McClane is an awesome character in this, constantly hilarious and absolutely badass. This is an iconic role. I loved him, and I loved Bruce's performance. And he even has depth in this movie, a sense of tragedy, and the character is an interesting, logical continuation of the original character. McClane hasn't been this good since the original movie.

McClane's young protege plays off better against him than Samuel Jacksons ever did. There is just more meat to this relationship, it keeps on evolving. Long is excellent in this role. And the daughter character is both poignant and hilarious, having a multi-layered relationship with her dad.

The main villain was interesting, I thought. He is no Hans Gruber, but who is. I thought the villains in the 2nd film were threatening, but not memorable. Irons was great in the third film as long as we only heard his voice, but he became generic and boring after that. Olyphant is not physically intimidating, but plays a good smart geek, who aspires to be tougher than he actually is. Not an iconic villain, but I liked his complexity. He goes through a lot of different emotions in this. And his stature is helped by two excellent henchmen, Maggie Q and the Spiderboy.

The villain's plan, and the whole basic premise, was fresh and unique. It created a lot of interesting scenarios and set pieces. And the film kept me guessing, I didn't know where it was going. That's always a good thing.

The only character in the whole film who felt off to me was Kevin Smith's geek guy. Nothing wrong with the character in itself, Smith just wasn't very good playing it.

And the action: Fucking awesome. There were only two fleeting moment where the cutting to PG-13 had done minor damage (the deaths of two bad guys), but the issue was small. The film feels hard, violent and relentless.

Other than that, this was genuinely great action: Shot, edited and coreographed with great skill. It was always easy to see what was going on, and the adrenaline level and even genuine suspense were high. Not only that, but the writing in the action scenes was smart and inventive: There were always unique story beats, small and large, which I have not seen in other action movies.

Wiseman gets a huge thumbs up for this. All in all I felt his directing was excellent and it's great to see a new face around who actually knows how to film action, instead of just throwing a lot of blurry, shake close-ups at the audience.

As for the swearing, that was always a non-issue to me. So they used other curse words instead of "fuck"? Big fucking deal. I noticed some rubbery lips in a couple of scenes, but hardly a major gripe.

And finally: This film is funny as fuck, in the best possible sense. It has a wonderfully black, macabre sense of humor running through it. The humor never sacrifices the integrity of the characters or the story (Like Transformers did, for example). Instead it always hits exactly the right note. I laughed a lot in this film, and even when I didn't I had a stupid grin on my face. And often I was BOTH grinning and feeling the tension of the action in my guts.

This is great popcorn entertainment. This is for me one of the best action movies of this decade.

8/10.

[CuatroDiablos]

I laughed too..my wife was like WTF are you laughing at? I told her to watch the first one hehehe.


9/10 , this movie was a blast ..my favorite scenes were the tunnel scene and the Jet fighter..WOW!

[MidnightAngel]

I'll try to see it tonight!

[JoeChar4321]

I was sure I was going to dislike this based on the trailer but I was hoping for a return to the original glory. I loved the first film but thought they lost their way and got way too silly in the sequels.

God help me but I really had fun watching this movie. Plot flaws aside, it’s a worthy addition to the original Die Hard legacy. In fact, save for the asinine fighter jet scene, this movie was less silly then the second and third editions. I loved how they took just enough time to explain why he was “that type of guy.” This film delivers just what I was hoping for … ass kicking as the everyman hero takes it to the smug bad guy.

a solid 8/10

[MidnightAngel]

Saw it tonight and i though it was gonna suck but it didn't happen like that. It had the great thrilling action scenes and the wiseckack comments as shown in the other Die Hard films. Personally this sequel surpass the second one. A question for those in USA, at the begining of the film did the title said Live Free or Die Hard or Die Hard 4.0. Where i come from it was shown as Die Hard 4.0 even the billboards for the movie. And...




***POSSIBLE SPOILERS***




























There were no f-bombs including the yippi-ki-yay motherfucker quote but there were a lot of s-bombs and some a-bombs and a d-bomb. And also many complaided there some dubbing at the dialogue in some scene s but i didn't noted taht at the whole movie.
And at the ending the elevator shaft scene, did it had that nostalgia from the final scene of the first Die Hard film?



















***END SPOILERS***


I guess it will do great at the box office and if they're plans for a fifth Die Hard film bring back John McTiernan.

P.S. Joel Silver didn't co-produce this Die Hard sequel. He produced the other past films. :confused:

[bigred760]

Originally posted by MidnightAngel
Saw it tonight and i though it was gonna suck but it didn't happen like that. It had the great thrilling action scenes and the wiseckack comments as shown in the other Die Hard films. Personally this sequel surpass the second one. A question for those in USA, at the begining of the film did the title said Live Free or Die Hard or Die Hard 4.0. Where i come from it was shown as Die Hard 4.0 even the billboards for the movie.

It was Live Free or Die Hard here.

[ElderPredator]

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages....I have something to say. "Live Free Or Die Hard" FUCKING ROCKS!

I just got back from the show tonight (Friday) and I was blown away. Initially, I went in with lower expectations because of the PG-13 rating but I have to honestly say that it did not lower how much fun and violent it really is. I had an absolute blast and so did the rest of the theater. I am very much looking forward to the uncut version of the movie on DVD but I still think the movie would be terrific the way it is.

Without a doubt, Bruce Willis was at the top of his game and he brought John McClane back to the screen in the best possible way. From the very first line that he spoke, he just oozed that Jersey feel and it was spine-tingling. Justin Long was also terrific and they had great chemistry together. Timothy Olyphant did a good job as the main villain. He's no Hans Gruber but he held his own for sure. Spider-Boy and the other henchmen were terrific including Maggie Q (HOTTEST HENCHWOMAN EVER!). The fight between Maggie and Bruce had me laughing and cheering like crazy.

Overall, the action and stunts were fantastic, Bruce was slicker than ever and it was a downright fantastic movie.

My Final Vote: 9/10

If it had more swearing and was rated-R, I would give it 10/10.

Did I also mention that Maggie Q is so fucking hot? :D

P.S. I laughed also for the Agent Johnson line as any "Die Hard" fan should pick that up right away.

[Rick-James]

I knew I was gonna hate this movie. Die Hard is in my top ten favorite movies ever made. Greatest action movie by far, but with Justin Long. This awful title. Bald McClane. PG-13. Weak villian casting. Kevin Smith cameo.

It was just too much crap, But you know what.

This movie kicks a whole lot ass!! Bruce Willis knocked this bitch outta the park! Finally a summer movie that I did enjoy.

Good times. Great summer action movie . 8/10.

[miguel_montes]

Loved it. Bruce Willis made that movie. Great action, digged all the stunts, even a cool chemistry between Mcclane and hacker-boy.

Do yourself a favor and go see this now. Go see the mouse movie another week, ok??

8/10

P.S.: I give Die Hard 4 an 8 when I could have given it a 9 because of the rating. Unlike many other fans, I really missed the f-bombs, just isn't the same although Willis IS McClane, and the BLOOD... Please, movie company or producers or whatever: if you're thinking on a Die Hard 5, PLEASE, PLEASE, give us an R-rated one again!! I really missed the "fucks" and also the blood splatter when some bad guy gets shot! Remember in Die Hard 3 when McClane kills 4 guys on the bank elevator?? GIVE US THAT KIND OF BLOOD!!!

[bigred760]

Originally posted by ElderPredator
P.S. I laughed also for the Agent Johnson line as any "Die Hard" fan should pick that up right away.

I did catch it; took me a second, but it hit me.

[Tuukka]

Glad to see all the great reviews! But was I the only one who really liked the villain?



*** SPOILERS ***



Since so many reviews stated Olyphant as the major flaw in the film, I was positively suprised how much I liked his character. The way I see it, Gabriel was like Bill Gates who had turned to the dark side. He was a yuppie geek out of his league against McClane, but thanks to his knowledge of technology he had formed a superiority complex. And Gabriel's plan was unique, and his use of technology clever, threatening and resourceful.

While Olyphant was menacing at times, I think the film intentionally compromised this aspect. A lot of humor in the film comes out of the fact that he is just a boy going against a real man, and the banter between Gabriel and McClane was often hilarious because of this.

There were also IMHO scenes where Gabriel is obviously getting nervous and upset, and tries to play tougher than he is - He tries to keep up with McClane in the macho bullshit attitude, but keeps on failing.

Thematically DH movies have always been about caveman McClane going against technology-based villains, and by making Gabriel a physically non-threatening yuppie geek with a lot of brain power worked thematically.

I also liked the fact that he wasn't just a robberer, but also wanted to make a point - Prove the world that he was right, and I do think that on some level he had convinced himself that he was doing the right thing by stirring shit up and making American see the truth.

I'm not saying that he is a great villain, but I thought he was a GOOD villain. Interesting, complex and distinctive. He is not Hans Gruber, but he was much better than your average action movie villain.



''' SPOILERS END '''

[miguel_montes]

Originally posted by Tuukka
Glad to see all the great reviews! But was I the only one who really liked the villain?

No, Tuukka, you're not the only one. I liked him too.


/*SPOILERS*/


Originally posted by Tuukka
While Olyphant was menacing at times, I think the film intentionally compromised this aspect. A lot of humor in the film comes out of the fact that he is just a boy going against a real man, and the banter between Gabriel and McClane was often hilarious because of this.

There were also IMHO scenes where Gabriel is obviously getting nervous and upset, and tries to play tougher than he is - He tries to keep up with McClane in the macho bullshit attitude, but keeps on failing.

Totally agree with you. And McClane knows this... He knows that Gabriel is just a smarty-pants with a high IQ that thinks he's God or something, and he deliberately makes fun of him, teasing him like he was a fucking 14-year old that just got his new Macintosh.

And like a 14-year old, Gabriel isn't up for the challenge of taking on a grown up man like McClane.

Tired of that, he does what any stupid geek kid, tired of loosing on Halo, would do... he takes it out on others: and that means going after Lucy.

Big mistake: "shit just got serious", just like a previous schmoe said in his post, and that's why McClane doesn't have a joke or something in the moment, and stays silent.

Man, great scene there...

By the way, who else loved the "Presidents's speech"? So nice!!

[gyro_44]

Saw it last night, and you know what? It's a damn good action movie, and not a bad Die Hard movie either.

Len Wiseman showed me here that he could orchestrate some really insane stunts and action sequences, and pretty much every single one in this film delivered (despite many of the money shots being shown in trailers). The tunnel sequence and the elevator shaft were standouts. The hand-to-hand combat in this film is brutally intense, every time McClane dispatched a bad guy the audience reacted favorably. Where you notice the PG-13 is not the level of violence, but the lack of profanity.

Willis at times seems to be a toned-down McClane, perhaps a bit less rough-around-the-edges in his "old age", but when it came down to the nitty gritty he was the John McClane I've always loved... talking hysterically to himself, dishing out some very funny potshots, and most importantly bloodied and bruised to the extreme. The most pleasant surprise was Justin Long. He was really funny, and he and Willis have a rapport that actually works and *gasp* GOES SOMEWHERE. Really enjoyed the whole "so that's what makes you that guy" dialogue. Also, Mary Elizabeth Winstead was actually convincing as Lucy McClane

Olyphant was fine as the villain. But they should have given him more to do. He put on a convincing evil glare, but never got to really show off his considerable abilities. Maggie Q is the most memorable villain here, for me.

The cyber-terrorism plot worked ok for me, but I didn't always buy the hacking bits and there were too many scenes of "financial sector is down!" and "Begin Stage 2!" type of dialogue. Also, I could have down without Kevin Smith as the "Warlock", I found that segment to be a little bit lame.

Live Free or Die Hard wins you over with its bone-crunching stunts and action, and it's really a thrill seeing McClane whoop the living shit out of terrorists again. This is a movie where you find yourself giggling (or laughing out loud) at the ridiculous action on screen, and I mean that in the best possible way. It's just plain fun. Consider it more a companion piece to the other three though, and don't expect the same tone and set-up as in previous Die Hard films. For a "modernization" of Die Hard, this works just fine.

7/10

[Derek237]

Saw it last night. It was pretty awesome, actually one of the better action flicks of the last 10 or so years. I was so worried that there'd be slow motion shots, and the camera gliding through miniscule crevices, and bullet time, and all that shit, but thankfully, there was none of that. Only a very, very small amount of slow-mo. Which I thought was good, since the movie is, in a way, a statement against technology, our dependence on it, and how sometimes good old-fashioned ass-kicking never fails. I was very happy to see so many physical stunts...I mean, honestly, did you see the credits?? The stunt list has several hundred names on it, for God's sake. How awesome is that?

And for a PG-13 run (14A in Canada), it remains fairly gritty and doesn't suffer too badly from its lack of blood and f-bombs. I would have liked all that stuff, but all things considered, that would only be a luxury on top of a very good action film. And hey, any movie with the balls to have McClane totally kick the shit out of a female character in such a brutal fashion is doing something right. Those moments of brutal and primal fight scenes are what I've come to love about the Die Hards-- whether it be the fight with Karl in the first, biting a chunk out of Colonel Stewart's hand in the second, or the fight with "Lurch" on the boat in the third....I totally love it, and was glad to see something similar in this one.

So, yeah, I agree, skip the fuckin' rat movie this weekend.


8/10 in my book. My least favourite of McClane's adventures, but it is worthy of the Die Hard title and was honestly way better than I had expected it to be.

[Boner X-Ray]

Originally posted by miguel_montes
By the way, who else loved the "Presidents's speech"?
That was badass. One of the highlights of the movie.

[SpikeDurden]

I'm torn on this flick, I really am. I'm a huge Die Hard fan, I think its probably the best action flick ever made, and while Die Hard 2 is only a decent ride, Die Hard 3 is pretty awesome too. So, of course, I've been looking forward to seeing John McClane on the big screen again for a long time. And for the most part, John McClane once again kicked ass. The action and stunts in the film are spectacular, however I feel as if they're too spread out and instead of organically fitting into the film they feel like marking points along the way of telling the story. They're fun, and they're explosive, but I never felt all that involved. That's my biggest problem with the film, the scatter shot nature of it all. We jump from place to place and the story is never all that clear, or interesting, While the disaster scenario stuff towards the beginning is interesting and perhaps a bit terrifying, it never amounts to much, and a true threat is never really felt. Still, though, Bruce Willis is great as John McClane, even if he can't be as foul mouthed as in the past. Justing Long is a suitable if unnecessary sidekick, and Mary Elizabeth Winstead is great as Lucy McClane. As far as villains go, Maggie Q is lovely as the main henchman, Cyril Rafeilli brings the same kickass parkour style he did to District B13, and Timothy Olyphant (i'm a huge fan of the guy) is appropriately slimy and evil, even though his technovillian is kind of a pussy compare to the Gruber Brothers. All in all, while a fun ride, and while its fantastic to see John McClane on the big screen again, the film isn't as good as it could have been. A fun ride? Mostly. But still mildly disappointing.

6.5/10

[Panda]

This is was an absolute pleasant surprise of a movie. The main fuss over the movie is the obvious PG-13 rating, and while it's a compromise towards ultra-violence and harsh language, it is most definitely not a compromise in the action department. Most of the appeal of the first Die Hards' was McClane's wise-ass, badass attitude and the incredible action, and in Live Free or Die Hard, it hasn't change, save for a few...well lots of "fuck"s. The fact that the movie is PG-13 should not stop people from seeing Live Free or Die Hard (though I still hate saying that shitty name, as I was hoping for maybe Die Hard 4: Die Hardest...).

[anakinsrise]

Live Free or Die Hard is what summer movies are supposed to be.
A wisecracking good guy,great rollercoaster action with tons of oohhh's and ahhhh's and some bad ass villains.Well Timothy Olyphant may not be as intriguing and badass as Alan Rickman was in the first Die Hard,but you still cant wait to see Bruce kick his ass on screen.
I didnt find Justin Long's computer hacker character annoying at all,he actually added to the fun of the film.If you're a fan of the series like me how can you not cheer when Mclane goes into his "This was supposed to be easy" rant right before he dispatches justice.Who wouldnt love to get their ass kicked by the gorgeous Maggie Q??
I wish that Mary Elizabeth Winstead had had more screen time.Nice cameo by Kevin Smith too...bad West Virginia accent though.
I must admit i was riveted by the scene of a national monument being destroyed,especially with all of the terrorist activity that has taken place over the last few days offscreen.
Scale of 1-10 an 8 1/2
Bring on DH5 !!!!!!!!

[darkface]

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8/10

Kickass popcorn fun!
I had a great time from beginning, till the end. This movie had some of the best action scenes ever choreographed. Wiseman did a fantastic job showing everything clearly. I get so tired of the fast cuts, shaky cameras etc. It felt great to see the suspense.
I did feel like it needed more gore in some parts to make it more of a Die Hard film, but it still had some great scenes.
My main flaw with the movie was Justin Long. I don't mind the guy, but sometimes he can be just too much. He has no 'acting' skills. He acts the same way in every single movie, and commercial. lol I didn't mind the humor sometimes, but throughout the whole movie he tried using the same type of humor to get the laughs and it just got old.
Great action, good story, and definitely worthy of the Die Hard title.

GO SEE IT in the THEATRES!

[miguel_montes]

I did a quick zapping of this page and the previous to check each schmoe's score of the movie, and not a single negative review about Die Hard 4... That's excellent!! :D

Glad everyone liked it!

[gyro_44]

I'm thinking about this one a few days later, and I find myself admiring its sheer ridiculousness even more. So that's a good sign. I was fearing it wouldn't sit well.

Len Wiseman really knocked this out of the park, action-wise. I had seen the "car killing helicopter" scene many many times in the ads and I still loved it. Wiseman managed to get, what, about five different angles of that one shot? Even the one from inside the helicopter was great, and of course that would have had to be CGI. Great stuff.

And there was a whole lot of good stuff between Willis and Long.

I'll probably go see it again.

[ilovemovies]

Yeah, it's pretty sad, but this is only the second or third movie this summer that I actually want to see again. The other two being Pirates of the Caribbean:At World's End and 1408.

[chinton]

It was fine typical standard action film. Nothing that special.

6/10

[Tuukka]

I will watch it again, in theatres. I'm not sure whether it will hold up well on repeat viewings, but there are so many moments in the film that I want to experience again.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by Tuukka
I will watch it again, in theatres. I'm not sure whether it will hold up well on repeat viewings, but there are so many moments in the film that I want to experience again.

I saw it for the second time last night and it definitely held up! Of course, it wasn't as exciting as the first time, because I knew what was going on, but it was still mucho fun! A repeat viewing also cleared up some confusions I had about the plot. Definitely worth a re-watch in theatres.

About the R-Rated DVD. I really do hope they come out with it, but I wouldn't worry about fixing the violence. The violence is fine the way it is in the PG-13 version. Adding CGI blood is not necessary, and blood isn't what Die Hard is all about anyway. The only thing that is needed in the R-Rated version is a bunch of F-bombs that I was dying to hear come out of Bruce's mouth. It's not just so it can be profane, but just because it will add to the character of John McClane, and I think if the F-bombs are there, it will bring my 9/10 to a 10/10.

[chinton]

Anybody notice how the bad guy's plan made no sense. It was really quite dumb.

Also, why was this film called Die Hard. It had nothing to do with Die Hard. I mean ya Mclaine was there but it didn't feel on iota like a Die Hard film.

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by chinton
Anybody notice how the bad guy's plan made no sense. It was really quite dumb.

Also, why was this film called Die Hard. It had nothing to do with Die Hard. I mean ya Mclaine was there but it didn't feel on iota like a Die Hard film.

I feel that the bad guy's plan made plenty of sense. Why were Die Hard 2 and Die Hard With A Vengeance called Die Hard? Because 2 had John's wife, and Vengeance had Gruber's brother? No, because they have a character that is put in situations with terrorists and he has the same badass attitude in each film. Sure felt like a Die Hard film to me.

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by chinton
Anybody notice how the bad guy's plan made no sense. It was really quite dumb.

Also, why was this film called Die Hard. It had nothing to do with Die Hard. I mean ya Mclaine was there but it didn't feel on iota like a Die Hard film.

Exactly how it didn't make any sense? It was pretty clear 1 + 1 = 2 logic to me.

This felt perfectly like a Die Hard movie to me. It had all the basic ingredients: "Terrorist" antagonists, anti-technology theme, a hero who dies hard, badassery, wisecracks, real stunts, ruthless violence, etc. It even continues the tradition of McClane's troubled relationships with Gennero women.

If you mean that this doesn't happen in a closed environment... Well, none of the sequels have had that. Even DH2 has McClane cruising in the outdoors with snowmobiles, visiting a church nearby, etc. If you mean "realism", even the first film was stretching believability, but in the 3rd film McClane was already surfing on cars inside sewers, surviving train crashes, falling off 60 feet to a ship board, etc.

The only Die Hard film which was a "true" DH film was the first one. None of the sequels fill any tight criteria, except for what I mentioned in the first paragraph.

On another note: Each Die Hard sequel has had broader scope and bigger action than the previous one - THAT is an established tradition in the franchise. It's one tradition which has always been consistent.

[chinton]

What was the bad guys ultimate goal. If it was just lets lets bring Armageddon to America thats fine but did he have any plan after that. He mentioned money a few times which makes even less sense. How is he going to spend anything after the fall of Western Civilization. If he was just going for some money its a pretty ridiculous plan.

[ilovemovies]

With the exception of Die Hard 2, greed has always been the Die Hard villian's goal.

I think the government would have eventually found a way to bring everything back. Or maybe Gabriel would have done it himself. He did afterall tell McClane that everything he broke can be fixed if the country is willing to pay the price.

[chinton]

Just seems rather complex and exceptionally risky for what amounts to money.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by chinton
Just seems rather complex and exceptionally risky for what amounts to money.

..arent they always?

I remember thinking the same thing about the first and third DIE HARD films.:)

[Tuukka]

Originally posted by chinton
Just seems rather complex and exceptionally risky for what amounts to money.


*** SPOILERS ***


The money was more of a bonus.

Gabriel was getting revenge on America, and he was making a point. He had told the goverment that USA can be brought into chaos by technology terrorists, but goverment didn't believe him. Instead they burned him.

So now he is getting his revenge on them, proving the world that he was right all the time. And like he says, everything he has done can be fixed by him. He also makes clear he thinks he is protecting USA with his actions - It's better if he does this and immediately fixes it, instead of an enemy of USA doing it permanently.

Granted, Gabriel isn't doing this all out of altruism. He is a massive egoist with a God complex. But he DOES have a point, and he WAS treated wrong by the goverment. That's more than what can be said about most crazy movie villains.

''' SPOILERS END ***

[miguel_montes]

The more I keep reading this thread, the more I want to see this movie again.

Maybe I'll see it again today. :D

[Bourne101]

Originally posted by miguel_montes
The more I keep reading this thread, the more I want to see this movie again.

Maybe I'll see it again today. :D

DO IT!:D

[Shockwave]

After seeing this a second time back-to-back with Transformers id have to raise my score from a 7/10 to a 8/10.

Although id give Transformers the same score id say i actualy prefer DIE HARD. Better pacing and i liked the characters more. Even the villian grew on me the second time around, now that i wasnt expecting anoher Hans Grueber type bad guy.:)

[ilovemovies]

After watching the disappointment that was Transformers, I want to see this and Pirates 3 again to remind myself of a REAL action movie. To see a movie where I can actually follow the action and not have it be a blurry mess. And where the attempts of humor wasn't forced and unfunny. And I actually gave a damn about the characters.

[gyro_44]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
After watching the disappointment that was Transformers, I want to see this and Pirates 3 again to remind myself of a REAL action movie.
What? There was action in Pirates?

;)

[psycheoutsteve]

This is the best action movie I've seen this summer. The PG-13 doesn't dampen the intensity of this film in any way. John Mclane still kicks major ass even in his older years. I thought Justin Long was pretty good as the sidekick, he definitely had his share of funny moments. 9/10

[Cronos]

well, i take back most of what i've said about this. saw it last night and loved every damn minute, it definitely felt like a Die Hard film, the action scenes were fantastic, Willis can still do it. Justin Long was also very good, as long as he doesn't attempt comedy he seems to be able to act. the only thing that bugged me was the gunshot during that oh so special line :p

hugely entertaining film which never bored me

can't wait for the uncut (it'd better happen) dvd release

10/10

[KiKrusher99]

Pretty solid I guess, didn't really feel like a Die Hard movie though. However the script was good and the pacing was excellent, this made for an entertaining and fun movie. The only scenes that bothered me was the dubious transport truck scene; a scene thats blatant disregard for physics would not only have Newton roll over in his grave, but float from it as well. Also, Mclane is a police officer not a superhero, so seeing him jumping to and from fighter jets was a bit ridiculous... however the elevator scene was cool enough to let this slide. Overall, it's definetly the most enjoyable action movie i've seen all summer.

7/10

[wisdomsword]

Live Free or Die Hard is a good action movie itself, just not as good as Die Hard 1 and 2.

I remember Die Hard (especially 1) was more like focus on CQB action, small scale gun fight, and using brain over bullets.
It was the movie that got me in love with the MP5 submachine gun.

It just doesn't have that style or feeling as in part 1 and 2.

[Jas]

I had always thought that this movie would be too "epic" for a McClane movie.
But even with the PG-13 rating, to me this movie was 100% pure awesome.
Plus, the unrated DVD will fit perfectly into the Die Hard series.

[miguel_montes]

Originally posted by KiKrusher99
Also, Mclane is a police officer not a superhero, so seeing him jumping to and from fighter jets was a bit ridiculous...

If he was a superhero, he would not jump... he would fly or shoot web-things from his wrist...

You did notice the jet was "hovering", right? It wasn't flying at mach 2 at that moment... :rolleyes: