Bush Pardons Libby!

[dman476]

This is interesting, I wonder how it'll play out.

--Your thoughts?

(And the award for shortest thread ever goes to...;))

[Thrizzle]

Libby wasnt pardoned, the sentence was commuted so he wont have tp serve any jail time. Not quite the same but close enough. This is just another example of the Bush administrations contempt for the law and our justice system. This presidency has turned into a national disgrace.

[The Heart Collector]

George W Bush is a fucking joke and anyone who still supports this administration is insane.

[electriclite]

Anne Coulter got her wish.


Seriously though, was there anyone who thought this wouldn't happen?


I wonder what the consequences will be for this move? I mean, there was a reason why they didn't do this sooner.

[Scarfather]

God, I need to get out of this fucking country.

[Badbird]

Wow. They're not even trying anymore.

[Criminal Rock]

Originally posted by Scarfather
God, I need to get out of this fucking country.

I'm moving to england in September. Wanna come with? :D

[electriclite]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
I'm moving to england in September. Wanna come with? :D


You finally got that to work out for you? :eek: :D


I'll go! I wanna work in animation there;)

[Brando @$$ Fat]

I think Libby should get a reduced sentence, and in return they bring the real criminals who used him as their patsy to justice *cough*DickCheney*cough*.

[Criminal Rock]

Originally posted by electriclite
You finally got that to work out for you? :eek: :D


I'll go! I wanna work in animation there;)

Yeah actually, I did... I'll be moving to the Lewes/Brighton area for school fairly quick here. It was surprisingly easier than I thought. Well, If you have a co-signer with good credit it is.

UCAS.com is one hell of a website, though... If you’re serious you can search through their database for animation courses.

Do that here. (http://search.ucas.co.uk/cgi-bin/hsrun/search/search/StateId/RwxLNoQNB5_0nxfFtONu046STGRZA-V8__/HAHTpage/search.HsKeywordSearch.run)

[Vong]

Come on guys! Isn't THIS enough to impeach Bush?!? I mean Clinton jizzed on an interns dress and people wanted his head on a pike...Bush pardons a criminal and nothing is done?!?

BTW guys, have fun in England... I'll be joining you down the road to leave America Jr. behind...

[Criminal Rock]

hahaha...

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Vong
BTW guys, have fun in England... I'll be joining you down the road to leave America Jr. behind...

You're going to be in for the shock of your life when you learn that England IS America Jr., so I'll just warn you ahead of time.

[Scarfather]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
I'm moving to england in September. Wanna come with? :D

I really am starting to question whether my commitments are worth sticking around here for.

But I think I need to go somewhere really nowhere, like Iceland, or New Zealand, maybe I'll get a sheep farm in the mountains.

[jeo4]

Fuck George W Bush

Fuck Dick Cheney

Fuck that lying sack of shit Tony Snow - twice with a lead pipe

Fuck our so-called Attorney General

Fuck the people who are lying for him

Fuck Donald Rumsfeld twice

Fuck every republican in Congress that blocks complete reform

In fact, fuck the entire Republican party for all their lying bullshit over the last seven years. I'm sorry to have ever supported any one of them.

Oh, and for good measure, fuck Ann Coulter - she needs it desperately.

[Vong]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
You're going to be in for the shock of your life when you learn that England IS America Jr., so I'll just warn you ahead of time.

England is not America Jr...they gave birth to America. England is the father who has become to old to take care of himself and needs his son to tell him what to do.

The Canadian and US economy has become so interwined that it's hard to distinguish any cultural differences between the two countries. Slowly, yet surely (with the help of the neo-liberals and Conservative puppets) Canada is slowly meshing US policies into their own. Thanks to Harper, who is blindly adhering to the policies, prejudices and perogatives of Bush, our image is being tainted. This is why I want to leave. I don't see Canada the same way I did pre-2000. After 9/11, the shit hit the fan on Canada's independence. As long as fools like Harper and Martin come into power, Canada is not a home for me...

[The Postmaster General]

England is an old Southern sheriff, and America is "ASS KICKING FAT KID!"

Sorry, he put the Show in me.

[someguy]

"Fat kid learned how to fight from video games!"

The funnier part of this is that Libby got the minimum sentence for what he did, and he won't even pay his fine thanks to his defense fund raising more than enough money to pay it off.

[dman476]

Originally posted by someguy
"Fat kid learned how to fight from video games!"

The funnier part of this is that Libby got the minimum sentence for what he did, and he won't even pay his fine thanks to his defense fund raising more than enough money to pay it off.
Well, in any case even, it's not like Libby couldn't afford 250,000 bones. :p

I don't know, my only surprise to him pardoning (I refuse to call it "commuting") Libby so soon. Oh well, Clinton pardoned Marc Rich. It happens.

[Jon Lyrik]

If this little tidbit doesn't prove the bullshit behind our founding fathers, I don't know what will.

[Moviefan1234]

How this man continues to have his supporters is way beyond me.

[someguy]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
How this man continues to have his supporters is way beyond me.

Excuse me Moviefan, but these 'supporters' are a group of people based on one single belief (Libby's innocence/freedom) so wouldn't you call them a religion? :)

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by someguy
Excuse me Moviefan, but these 'supporters' are a group of people based on one single belief (Libby's innocence/freedom) so wouldn't you call them a religion? :)

You could easily make that argument, doesn't mean I agree with them.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Vong
Come on guys! Isn't THIS enough to impeach Bush?!? I mean Clinton jizzed on an interns dress and people wanted his head on a pike...Bush pardons a criminal and nothing is done?!?


Clinton was impeached for perjury, not infidelity. He lied under oath.


Further, every president has exercised the pardon power, and has used it a lot. Clinton was actually notorious for his pardson- Here's a list of the people he pardoned in just the last month of his term (http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm).


Let me make clear that I dislike Bush and his administration entirely, but I just had to straighten those out.

[Thrizzle]

Every president has pardoned hundreds of people. Commuting a crony before he serves any jail time is a bit much however.

And that "Clinton lied under oath" schtick still irks me. I'm not a lawyer but i've seen enough Law and Order SVU to be fairly certain you have to keep the questions in a cross examination relevant to the case. What the republicans did to Clinton was despicable, but you have to give them credit for their determination to win at all costs. If democrats pursue Bush with the same tenacity and fervor as the Clinton era repubs, Bush and Cheney would be on some south pacific island right now serving out a life long exile..

[<3mekthx]

Some of the pardons on the Clinton list are pretty strange. Wonder what the story is behind some of those?

[Scarfather]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
You could easily make that argument, doesn't mean I agree with them.

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/lol.jpg

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by Thrizzle
Every president has pardoned hundreds of people. Commuting a crony before he serves any jail time is a bit much however.



Really? Don't you think it is less wrong if the one who is pardoning is at least familiar with the case's particulars as opposed to pardoning random family members of old college buddies?

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Scarfather
http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/lol.jpg

You know, if you want to respond to my posts, please do so. Just posting images as a reply is getting very old, and not to mention the fact is rather pointless.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vong
EDIT*

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Vong
England is not America Jr...they gave birth to America. England is the father who has become to old to take care of himself and needs his son to tell him what to do.

The Canadian and US economy has become so interwined that it's hard to distinguish any cultural differences between the two countries. Slowly, yet surely (with the help of the neo-liberals and Conservative puppets) Canada is slowly meshing US policies into their own. Thanks to Harper, who is blindly adhering to the policies, prejudices and perogatives of Bush, our image is being tainted. This is why I want to leave. I don't see Canada the same way I did pre-2000. After 9/11, the shit hit the fan on Canada's independence. As long as fools like Harper and Martin come into power, Canada is not a home for me...

Have you ever been to England? It's very similar to America, especially in London. Our cultures are very similar and no matter who is in power in England, they will more than likely do what America wants them to do. They buy into most of the shit we do. England is no longer the supreme empire it once was. America is the daddy now. It IS America Jr.

Though if you do move to England, I suggest move somewhere near London but not actually in London. It's a fun place but it's extremely stressful and hectic.

Harper is not the monster you make him out to be, and if he is, then you need to get used to having leaders you don't like. We have Bush...so register that for a while and realize that Harper would be like Thomas Jefferson to us if he came into power today.

[Scarfather]

Originally posted by Moviefan1234
You know, if you want to respond to my posts, please do so. Just posting images as a reply is getting very old, and not to mention the fact is rather pointless.

Words really are insufficient in expressing the feelings your posts make me feel.

http://www.ideaphotos.com/Video-Clips-Slide-Shows/Funny-White-Gorrila-Smiling.jpg

So I'll bow out of this topic now.

[Moviefan1234]

Originally posted by Scarfather
So I'll bow out of this topic now.

That would be appreciated.

[Scarfather]

Sorry sad sap, I just had to post this.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19588942/

Keith Olbermann's mad as hell, and he's going to have to take it forever.

[Vong]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Have you ever been to England? It's very similar to America, especially in London. Our cultures are very similar and no matter who is in power in England, they will more than likely do what America wants them to do. They buy into most of the shit we do. England is no longer the supreme empire it once was. America is the daddy now. It IS America Jr.

Though if you do move to England, I suggest move somewhere near London but not actually in London. It's a fun place but it's extremely stressful and hectic.

Harper is not the monster you make him out to be, and if he is, then you need to get used to having leaders you don't like. We have Bush...so register that for a while and realize that Harper would be like Thomas Jefferson to us if he came into power today.

Yes dude, I have been to England. Suffice it to say, I do have first hand experience in submersing myself into both English and American culture and noticing the differences.

I plan to live in Wales, as I have family there. London is far to expensive to live and drive there. I had the misfortune of driving through Piccadilly Circus in rush hour....and having to pay a huge toll. Not fun....

In regards to your view on Harper, try taking everything you've known about Canadian culture and values from the last 50 years and throw it out the window. Harper is radically changing Canada's image to fit Bush's needs. From peacekeepers, to military dog of the US; neutral party to one-side supporters. Our foreign relations (which for a long time contradicted US foreign policy) has now mirrored that of Bush's. Our Universal Health Care has been threatened by the introduction of a plan for a two-tier system, proposed by Harper. Our Kyoto plan and dozens of programs that were helping the environment have been cut. If Harper lives up to the "Dark Blue Tory" image, more cuts will be made.

Harper is Canada's "Bush".

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by Vong
Yes dude, I have been to England. Suffice it to say, I do have first hand experience in submersing myself into both English and American culture and noticing the differences.

I plan to live in Wales, as I have family there. London is far to expensive to live and drive there. I had the misfortune of driving through Piccadilly Circus in rush hour....and having to pay a huge toll. Not fun....

In regards to your view on Harper, try taking everything you've known about Canadian culture and values from the last 50 years and throw it out the window. Harper is radically changing Canada's image to fit Bush's needs. From peacekeepers, to military dog of the US; neutral party to one-side supporters. Our foreign relations (which for a long time contradicted US foreign policy) has now mirrored that of Bush's. Our Universal Health Care has been threatened by the introduction of a plan for a two-tier system, proposed by Harper. Our Kyoto plan and dozens of programs that were helping the environment have been cut. If Harper lives up to the "Dark Blue Tory" image, more cuts will be made.

Harper is Canada's "Bush".


Wales is nice.

I understand though that there are plenty of differences but when it comes to pop culture and whatnot we're very similar. Hopefully, Gordon Brown will be less like Tony Blair and more of his own leader, not someone who just follows along.

Sorry if I seemed like a douche, but I lived in London for a really brief while and felt it would be dickish on my part not to tell you it's not as radically different as it might seem. Then again, I've only been to the country part a few times and that's where you'll want to live. Go for it, man.

[Thrizzle]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
Really? Don't you think it is less wrong if the one who is pardoning is at least familiar with the case's particulars as opposed to pardoning random family members of old college buddies?

Not in this particular case, when the Libby was the fall guy in a larger conspiracy. Making him serve jail time was supposed to be used as leverage to get him to talk about his bosses.

I've mostly assumed the pardons gievn by other pres's were given in less nefarious, less wide reaching cases like drunken and disorderly conduct, or in cases where the convicted criminal has served years of a prison sentence. I really dont approve of any of it, but especially when Bush does it.

[Badbird]

They just happen to do this while The Daily Show is in reruns.

Coincidence?

Anyway, it's not like you can chalenge what they do anyway, because only people who hate America and want to undermine the troops/let the terrorists win would do such a thing.

[Vong]

Originally posted by Badbird
They just happen to do this while The Daily Show is in reruns.

Coincidence?

lol, I noticed that too....:rolleyes:

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Vong
In regards to your view on Harper, try taking everything you've known about Canadian culture and values from the last 50 years and throw it out the window. Harper is radically changing Canada's image to fit Bush's needs. From peacekeepers, to military dog of the US; neutral party to one-side supporters. Our foreign relations (which for a long time contradicted US foreign policy) has now mirrored that of Bush's. Our Universal Health Care has been threatened by the introduction of a plan for a two-tier system, proposed by Harper. Our Kyoto plan and dozens of programs that were helping the environment have been cut. If Harper lives up to the "Dark Blue Tory" image, more cuts will be made.

Harper is Canada's "Bush".


Yes, Canada is now the military dog of the US because of Harper. Makes sense considering the only thing he's done is extend the mission in Afghanistan that the Liberal party was responsible for initiating in the first place.

Secondly, those 'programs' that were responsible for implementing Kyoto resulted in a 30% increase in greenhouse gas emissions since the document was signed, so clearly, things regarding the environment were not as rosy as you make it seem.

Harper is not 'Canada's Bush.' Not even close. There's no rampant corruption. There's no hardcore Christian organizations helping pass legislation to further the corrosion of a secular state. There's no war boondoggle costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars (Afghanistan is NOT Iraq), and the economy is not headed for disaster. In fact, unemployment is at it's lowest rate in over 30 years and the dollar is nearing record highs (of course, this can partly be blamed on the weakening of the US Dollar).

So stop being a drama queen looking for false pretenses that would make Stephen Harper seem like the leader of the Fourth Reich.

[someguy]

Originally posted by outsyder
Makes sense considering the only thing he's done is extend the mission in Afghanistan that the Liberal party was responsible for initiating in the first place.

I hope that's not a bash at the Liberal party for going into Afghanistan.

[Vong]

Like a moth to a flame :rolleyes:

[Vong]

Originally posted by outsyder
Yes, Canada is now the military dog of the US because of Harper. Makes sense considering the only thing he's done is extend the mission in Afghanistan that the Liberal party was responsible for initiating in the first place.

It was first meant as a peacekeeping mission with limited Canadian involvement, which has now turned into a full blow war that the Conservative party is happily fueling. I did not agree with Canada entering Afghanistan. I knew from the beginning (unlike so many others) that if we were to enter that country, we would never come out. And yes, I knew the Liberal party entered Afghanistan. Stop trying to play me as a Liberal-supporter by making arguments against the Liberal party, because I agree with almost everything you say about them.

Originally posted by outsyder
Secondly, those 'programs' that were responsible for implementing Kyoto resulted in a 30% increase in greenhouse gas emissions since the document was signed, so clearly, things regarding the environment were not as rosy as you make it seem.

Actually, according to the 2006 Report of the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, CO2 levels has increased 27% since 1990, not 2003. Good job in bending the truth to fit your argument. You'd make a great Conservative leader. ;)

Originally posted by outsyder
Harper is not 'Canada's Bush.' Not even close. There's no rampant corruption. There's no hardcore Christian organizations helping pass legislation to further the corrosion of a secular state. There's no war boondoggle costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars (Afghanistan is NOT Iraq), and the economy is not headed for disaster. In fact, unemployment is at it's lowest rate in over 30 years and the dollar is nearing record highs (of course, this can partly be blamed on the weakening of the US Dollar).

Obviously you cannot directly compare Harper to Bush; but in terms of fucking the country up with policies and poor choices, Harper equals Bush. Let's look at what Harper has done that mirrors Bush's actions:

- The PMO and Harper have dramatically reduced - to an almost removal - the time given to the press to ask questions to the PM during meetings outside the House of Commons as well as within. Making it almost impossible for the press to properly report on the work and dealings of the PM. No PM has ever been so secretive.
- Harper commented on the Israeli raid on Lebanon last July as "measured" and even accused those who questioned the Israeli government's actions being "anti-Israeli".
- Harper has scrapped Kyoto in favor of cooperating with Bush and the US in creating their own environmental policy, despite the fact that the Bush administration has a poor environmental record on top of ignorning the science behind global warming...which Harper also ignores.
- Afghanistan is not Iraq, but Afghanistan is Canada's Iraq. Just as the US is pouring money into an unending war, guess what Canada is doing in Afghanistan? We are involved in a long-term war that will not end any time soon. With mounting casualties and no prospects for success in the mission, Harper continues to "stay the course", blindly echoing the stubborn Bush-ian rhetoric.

Originally posted by outsyder
So stop being a drama queen looking for false pretenses that would make Stephen Harper seem like the leader of the Fourth Reich.

Stop looking at the shadows on the cave wall and saying it's the truth.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Vong
It was first meant as a peacekeeping mission with limited Canadian involvement, which has now turned into a full blow war that the Conservative party is happily fueling. I did not agree with Canada entering Afghanistan. I knew from the beginning (unlike so many others) that if we were to enter that country, we would never come out. And yes, I knew the Liberal party entered Afghanistan. Stop trying to play me as a Liberal-supporter by making arguments against the Liberal party, because I agree with almost everything you say about them.

The Afghanistan mission was a UN-sanctioned mission that was not merely a peacekeeping mission, but a supported effort to remove the Taliban from power (who had ignored previous sanctions from the UN imposed on them in 1999 and 2001), in the efforts to establish a stable democratic government. The mission, under the US banner of Operation Enduring Freedom, featured support from countries such notable countries as Canada, the UK, India, Australia, Germany, Poland, Italy, Hungary, France, Norway, the Netherlands, Japan, Greece, and many others. It was never regarded as matter of preventing infighting or attempting to maintain stability in a volatile region. It was a mission with the goal of actively removing the ruling regime. Canada was also committed to Afghanistan in the long-term, as one of the reasons cited for entering the engagement in the first place was to rebuild Afghanistan.



Actually, according to the 2006 Report of the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development, CO2 levels has increased 27% since 1990, not 2003. Good job in bending the truth to fit your argument. You'd make a great Conservative leader. ;)


Regardless, the Liberal programs were not working in the slightest.


Obviously you cannot directly compare Harper to Bush; but in terms of fucking the country up with policies and poor choices, Harper equals Bush. Let's look at what Harper has done that mirrors Bush's actions:

[quote]
- The PMO and Harper have dramatically reduced - to an almost removal - the time given to the press to ask questions to the PM during meetings outside the House of Commons as well as within. Making it almost impossible for the press to properly report on the work and dealings of the PM. No PM has ever been so secretive.


And yet the Prime Minister is still subject to questioning by opposition parties during QP, something George Bush, or any American President for that matter, has not has to do as part of their duties. Prime Ministers in any Westminster system face added criticism due to their combined duties in the legislative branch and executive branch.


- Harper commented on the Israeli raid on Lebanon last July as "measured" and even accused those who questioned the Israeli government's actions being "anti-Israeli".


So now any politician that is pro-Israel is simply mirroring Bush? I don't have as strong an opinion of Israel, but if someone does, I wouldn't assume that they have such an opinion because it's the opinion of George Bush.


- Harper has scrapped Kyoto in favor of cooperating with Bush and the US in creating their own environmental policy, despite the fact that the Bush administration has a poor environmental record on top of ignorning the science behind global warming...which Harper also ignores.

Kyoto is not scrapped. And you're using false logic. To claim that because Harper is exploring other options to reduce greenhouse gases (that may not necessarily use a carbon credit system like Kyoto), his Canadian-central approach will undoubtedly fail because Bush has used one that has lead to a poor environmental record is nonsense. It's like saying that because Spain has seen it's greenhouse gases rise 50% between 1990-2004, that we should reject Kyoto entirely because clearly that approach will lead to poor results. I'd also inquire as to how Harper would be cooperating with Bush by attempting to implement an introverted environmental policy.

- Afghanistan is not Iraq, but Afghanistan is Canada's Iraq. Just as the US is pouring money into an unending war, guess what Canada is doing in Afghanistan? We are involved in a long-term war that will not end any time soon. With mounting casualties and no prospects for success in the mission, Harper continues to "stay the course", blindly echoing the stubborn Bush-ian rhetoric.

Afghanistan is not Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6233424.stm) , no matter how you look at. The situations are very different, and the insurgencies are as well.

Nation-building is a long term project that the public never has the stomach for. As I mentioned above, Canada committed to the rebuilding of Afghanistan, something that could no way be considered a short-term project. The 66 soldiers that Canada has lost so far since 2001 is a tragedy, but we've seen firsthand what a power vacuum in Afghanistan can lead to, and in all seriousness, if Afghanistan is abandoned, then sooner or later down the road, a multi-nation coalition will once again have to overthrow a Taliban government, meaning that the soldiers who have died so far truly did in vain.



Stop looking at the shadows on the cave wall and saying it's the truth.

Thought you might want to know this. Purdue created a simulation of the attack on the WTC towers, and the physics are consistent with the official story. But I guess this is just another attempt by Bush to hide the truth, right?


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/War_Terror/2007/06/20/4274723-ap.html

Oh, I'm sorry. You were saying something about shadows on a cave wall?

[Vong]

Regardless, the Liberal programs were not working in the slightest.

Oh yeah, sure....ok....but...I just wanted to clarify that you lied, bent the truth and presented it as evidence to your "argument"....you're clear on this right?

So now any politician that is pro-Israel is simply mirroring Bush? I don't have as strong an opinion of Israel, but if someone does, I wouldn't assume that they have such an opinion because it's the opinion of George Bush.

No, but rather than taking a neutral position like other PM's would, Harper takes the one-sided approach. He claims that criticizing Israel's actions is being "anti-Israeli", as if its not possible in any way to criticize the Israeli government. That sort of reasoning is unhealthy and no politician should ever think like that....then again, it's Harper.

Afghanistan is not Iraq , no matter how you look at. The situations are very different, and the insurgencies are as well.

Nation-building is a long term project that the public never has the stomach for. As I mentioned above, Canada committed to the rebuilding of Afghanistan, something that could no way be considered a short-term project. The 66 soldiers that Canada has lost so far since 2001 is a tragedy, but we've seen firsthand what a power vacuum in Afghanistan can lead to, and in all seriousness, if Afghanistan is abandoned, then sooner or later down the road, a multi-nation coalition will once again have to overthrow a Taliban government, meaning that the soldiers who have died so far truly did in vain.

Wow! The two countries are different?!? No fucking way! :rolleyes:
Shit dude, I mean Afghanistan is Canada's Iraq SYMBOLICALLY. No fucking duh that the two countries are completely different in every single way.

Nation-building is a hopeless cause in the Middle East, and it's a sad sign-of-the-times that politicians do not read up on Middle Eastern history. Democracy has already been attemtped in the Middle East, with more than half of the region achieving a democratic state (to a degree), and almost immediately getting rid of it in favor of an authoritarian rule.

How do you think nation building took place in Europe? Take France for example; ideas of a democracy began to develop in the late 18th century, when many other countries in the region were also starting to talk about freedoms from and to, liberties and rights. It took France over 100 years before a truly democratic state was created. The Western folks over in Afghanistan and Iraq expect them to have a democracy in less than 5. Who the fuck do they think they are? You can't just build a few social buildings, install a pseudo-government and expect democracy to flourish. This shit has to be determined by the people within the country. Not only would the society have to drastically change, but its religious ideals would have to be scrapped. It's already been shown that democracy and Islam do not mix. If anything remotely looking like a democracy were to be formed in the Middle East, they would have to abandon their Islamic teachings and values. So far that idea isn't proving too popular over there.

It's unfortunate that all of this goes above all the retarded heads in Washington, Ottawa and the other "nation-builders". They completely ignore the factors invovled in creating a truly democratic state and the massive amount of time it takes.

Thought you might want to know this. Purdue created a simulation of the attack on the WTC towers, and the physics are consistent with the official story. But I guess this is just another attempt by Bush to hide the truth, right?

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/War_Ter...4274723-ap.html

Oh, I'm sorry. You were saying something about shadows on a cave wall?

LOL, holy shit dude. Talk about beating a decomposing horse. I can see this kind of shit haunts you every night, to think that someone can honestly believe in something OTHER than what the media and US government claims to have happened that day. But kutos for presenting a website that discusses "evidence" i've already seen and argued against. :o

This really isn't the place for discussing the 9/11 conspiracy anyway. Our little debacle has already hijacked this thread into a tangent. Though if you want to rehash old arguments and run the debate dry, start a thread and I'll be there.

[outsyder]

Originally posted by Vong
LOL, holy shit dude. Talk about beating a decomposing horse. I can see this kind of shit haunts you every night, to think that someone can honestly believe in something OTHER than what the media and US government claims to have happened that day. But kutos for presenting a website that discusses "evidence" i've already seen and argued against. :o

Your ability to deny a mountain of cold, hard, facts would impress most creationists.

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Vong
Stop looking at the shadows on the cave wall and saying it's the truth.


Are you fucking kidding me?

Plato's allegory of the cave is not fitting to your stance here.... at all. By saying outsyder is the one stuck looking at the shadows of the cave, that you can go beyond... are implying your the philosopher king of this conversation? Your sprinklings of philosophyical principles into your arguments are pretty off-base. I know you learned some philosophy at York, and you're just so desperate to integrate it into discussions and all, but damn, it's just not working.

[Vong]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Are you fucking kidding me?

Plato's allegory of the cave is not fitting to your stance here.... at all. By saying outsyder is the one stuck looking at the shadows of the cave, that you can go beyond... are implying your the philosopher king of this conversation? Your sprinklings of philosophyical principles into your arguments are pretty off-base. I know you learned some philosophy at York, and you're just so desperate to integrate it into discussions and all, but damn, it's just not working.

Maybe if you understood the allegory, you wouldn't be saying this...

[Scarfather]

Originally posted by Vong
Maybe if you understood the allegory, you wouldn't be saying this...

Philosophyyy d-d-d-d-d-d--duueelll!!!1

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4628/yugiohhn5.jpg

[Vong]

http://ca.geocities.com/jgilston@rogers.com/Bush.jpg

http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/image/image/1909/libby.gif

[RicochetShaw]

Originally posted by Vong
Maybe if you understood the allegory, you wouldn't be saying this...


Yeah dude, you're right. I bow to your superior intellect.

[someguy]

It's funny because you explained yourself in the first post and Vong's response is just 'nuh uh'

[Vong]

Originally posted by RicochetShaw
Yeah dude, you're right. I bow to your superior intellect.

Finally someone sees the truth.

:p

[MacReady]

I love how Vong claims Canada is far too conservative for his tastes now so he's going to move to a country that not only doesn't allow gays to marry, but is also stuck in Afghanistan along with being unlucky enough to have taken part in Iraq, and is still there as of this typing.

[outsyder]

That, along with the fact that the Tories will probably be elected to form the next government.

[Vong]

Originally posted by MacReady
he's going to move to a country that not only doesn't allow gays to marry

Hahaha, you think a country that allows gay marriage is a prerequisite for me to consider living there? lol

[MacReady]

Originally posted by Vong
Hahaha, you think a country that allows gay marriage is a prerequisite for me to consider living there? lol

Hahaha, you think I forgot that your basic arguement for moving away from this country was that this country is (becoming) too conservative? lol

[jeo4]

Case dismissed against Cheney. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/19/cia.leak/index.html)