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Backstabba
07-19-2007, 10:55 PM
Let me say first, when I rant, it begins to lose continuity and sometimes I just seem to ramble...but I have lots to ramble about. Some of it not even based on the title.

There's the arguement about people trying to profit off of tragedy. United 93 and World Trade Center tried to profit off 9/11, An American Crime is trying to profit off of the murder of Sylvia Likens, etc.

Now first off, did they even SEE these movies? Set your opinions aside, but all of those movies were made with respect to their true stories. I'm sure everyone can agree on United 93, World Trade Center may have been a bit soap-oprea-ish but it's better than being disrespectful, and An American Crime was very careful, subtle, and respectful.

But no one believes that. It's ALLLLLL about making money! Now this is what makes me angry. If someone is stupid enough to believe that, then I really won't care, but they have to voice their opinions like they're fact and they think they're causing a fucking movement.

There's nothing wrong with writing a book about a tragedy, a statue about a tragedy, but it's wrong to make a movie?

FILM IS AN ART FORM!
Statues are art.
Literature is an art.
And you know what?
SO IS FILM!

Of course, some people try to make money off of shock value (Uwe Boll, pointing at you), but some people are just so quick to dismiss people as being greedy, it's annoying.

Now, let me move onto something new.

I was on the message boards for Manderlay, and I saw a thread called "Lars Von Trier is a cynical animal killer". This is because he killed a donkey on set for the movie. And you know what, I don't have a problem with that.

With the donkey being killed, that is. Why do you ask? Because that donkey was on it's way to the slaughterhouse, and (I remember reading somewhere) it was terminally ill. But Von Trier decided to use the donkey for his film so it ded for a reason (as small as some may consider it to be). It got to die for art instead of die slowly for nothing.

The main thing that annoys me are the people who argue with this thing. All I hear the people against the killing say is "So you're saying alot of donkeys die everyday? So do humans, why can't I kill one?". BECAUSE THEY'RE HUMANS! I know you THINK you're breaking down barriers with this amazingly intelligent rebuttle, but you're not.

Do I hate donkeys? No. Do I hate animals? No. And I'm sure SOME people might even gasp at this, but in my opinion, humans are obviously more important than animals like donkeys, horses, etc. If I had to choose between a baby human or a baby chipmunk, as cute as that motherfucking chipmunk might be, I'd save the human. This has nothing to do with the Manderlay thing, but it's just that these people are so stupid.....ARGHHH!

And one little un-related thing. Stop reading too much into films. They're films. Enjoy them for what they are, and try to ignore the "anti_____" messages.

Example: "Hard Candy is a feminist movie!", "Hard Candy is an anti-feminist movie!", "Hard Candy supports vigilantie justice"........IT'S A MOVIE!...

Rant(s) over!

Preston_79
07-19-2007, 11:15 PM
Good rant.

usually though I place less value on a human life. I'm a real animal lover. Fuck it though, if the Donkey's on it's way out then kill it for the sake of art. There's way to much suffering in the world to concern myself with one donkey.


DEATH TO MICHAEL VICK!

thedudeman69
07-19-2007, 11:39 PM
United 93 was not soap opera. World Trade Center was more, so.


Also, Cannibal Holocust showed alot of dead animals, I just find it senseless to kill animals by the dozens. But, yeah, probably that donkey had it coming.

Brando @$$ Fat
07-19-2007, 11:56 PM
It's one of the newer art forms, despite the fact that we've had it for well over a hundred years. It hasn't occurred to some people yet that film is an art form. What separates film from other art forms is how fast it was able to evolve and change. Although film was definitely censored in its earlier years, in comparison to the earlier art forms it was a lot less severe. With literature, anything that was slightly offensive or not religious in nature was burned and the writer would be lucky if he didn't end up at the gallows. With film, the studio execs either gave you the thumbs down, or a particular raving lunatic in the Senate would accuse you of being a Communist. That's about it.

LordSimen
07-20-2007, 03:52 AM
Good rant. Just about any type of film really is an extension of an art form, and are pieces of art. Just like a child scribbling on paper is a piece of art. It may not be GOOD art, but that doesn't stop it from being art. I hate that people have the mentality of "If I really hate it, it must not be artistic." I'M SORRY MY FRIENDS, IF IT'S A MOVIE, IT'S A PIECE OF ART. Personal opinions on the quality of the art doesn't change that.

Cronos
07-20-2007, 04:40 AM
mostly i agree with this rant although i'd save the cute little chipmunk over an ugly baby :p
Originally posted by Backstabba
And one little un-related thing. Stop reading too much into films. They're films. Enjoy them for what they are, and try to ignore the "anti_____" messages.

Example: "Hard Candy is a feminist movie!", "Hard Candy is an anti-feminist movie!", "Hard Candy supports vigilantie justice"........IT'S A MOVIE!...
been tempted to make a rant about this for a while so you've kinda saved me some time there, this is something that's really started to piss me off lately, people who read too much into films and keep trying (and succeeding in their minds) to find a deeper meaning to them which they either don't have or don't directly intend to have instead of just enjoying it for what it is, a movie and entertainment

Scarfather
07-20-2007, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Backstabba
Example: "Hard Candy is a feminist movie!", "Hard Candy is an anti-feminist movie!", "Hard Candy supports vigilantie justice"........IT'S A MOVIE!...

But it's a terrible one, and that's what counts.

Backstabba
07-20-2007, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Scarfather
Yeah that cheeses me off! Hard Candy is an amazing film, why do people have to ruin it by trying to find some stupid political message under it?

I don't know man.
I just don't know.
:(

Brando @$$ Fat
07-20-2007, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Backstabba
And one little un-related thing. Stop reading too much into films. They're films. Enjoy them for what they are, and try to ignore the "anti_____" messages.

Example: "Hard Candy is a feminist movie!", "Hard Candy is an anti-feminist movie!", "Hard Candy supports vigilantie justice"........IT'S A MOVIE!...

Rant(s) over!


I agree with this to an extent. I like to think about movies after they're over (if they're good enough to warrant a thinking-over), but it really depends on how the opinion is being held. Like how a lot of religious groups think movies like Brokeback Mountain are trying to recruit homosexuals....as if homosexuality is the kind of thing you can recruit. On the other hand, if you think the film has a pro-gay message (duh) and leave it at that then it's all right. Same goes for movies like Forrest Gump with a perceived right wing message. Some people can't stand to see politics which can be seen as against their own.

LordSimen
07-21-2007, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by Backstabba

And one little un-related thing. Stop reading too much into films. They're films. Enjoy them for what they are, and try to ignore the "anti_____" messages.

Example: "Hard Candy is a feminist movie!", "Hard Candy is an anti-feminist movie!", "Hard Candy supports vigilantie justice"........IT'S A MOVIE!...

Rant(s) over!

You see, the problem with this rant is... We're actually taught to do that . That's pretty much all middle school and high school english was... Writing essays overanalysing pieces of art. It continues into college, and it's even prevelant if you go to film school. You're pretty much taught to look at each film in film school the same way. Anyone whose taken a Hitchcock class pretty much gets it bashed over their heads time and time again...

I know I've been taught to look at pieces of art this way... It's just kind of the way I am now.

Scarfather
07-23-2007, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by Backstabba
I don't know man.
I just don't know.
:(

I see what you did there.

Backstabba
07-23-2007, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Scarfather
I see what you did there.

Pretty clever huh?
:cool:

The Pin
07-25-2007, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
I agree with this to an extent. I like to think about movies after they're over (if they're good enough to warrant a thinking-over), but it really depends on how the opinion is being held. Like how a lot of religious groups think movies like Brokeback Mountain are trying to recruit homosexuals....as if homosexuality is the kind of thing you can recruit. On the other hand, if you think the film has a pro-gay message (duh) and leave it at that then it's all right. Same goes for movies like Forrest Gump with a perceived right wing message. Some people can't stand to see politics which can be seen as against their own. Wait forrest gump had a right wind message? Where the hell have I been?

Brando @$$ Fat
07-25-2007, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by The Pin
Wait forrest gump had a right wind message? Where the hell have I been?

Some people have said it has one. Personally, I didn't notice any egregious political statements, but I guess some of the points I've read make sense.

Le_Big_Mac
07-26-2007, 04:11 AM
*double post*

Le_Big_Mac
07-26-2007, 04:12 AM
I agree with all the points stated by Backstabba (and LordSimen makes a good point too). People look way too much into movies. It's great for a movie to be deep and highly entertaining (or at least disillusively), but sometimes you might think you've found something you didn't want (such as racism in 300 or homophobia in The Silence of the Lambs).

Speaking of silencing lambs, I am against animal cruelty and don't think they should be killed for the sake of a movie. I'm not like a PETA member or anything but, as cheesy as it sounds, animals are made to feel pain too. The death of one deer probably isn't as widely detrimental as the death of a human but they deserve respect. That said, there are certain films that are forgivable, primarily Apocalypse Now and possibly Pink Flamingos.

The Pin
07-27-2007, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Some people have said it has one. Personally, I didn't notice any egregious political statements, but I guess some of the points I've read make sense. Hmmm, Interesting, because to me Forest Gump has a huge left wing message, but fuck it.