The next Harry Potter movie is screwed..

[JackassFan]

Or, at least, the director is gonna have a tough job.

And it's all thanks to the ridiculous amount of important scenes from the book which weren't included in the Order of the Phoenix movie.


SPOILERS.



For example, they got rid of the cleaning part at Grimmauld Place. One of the items found during the cleaning is the locket that plays a huge part in the later books/movies.

Sirius never gave Kreacher the order that ended up making the house-elf betray him and have Sirius murdered.

What happened to Snape calling Lily a "filthy mudblood" in the flashback? Was she even there?

The scene in which Harry received a two-way mirror from Sirius was omitted from the film. So, how the hell are they going to explain Aberforth Dumbledore using it in many important scenes later on??



That's just something that's been pissing me off and I felt like sharing it.

[vesaker]

well not being a fan of the movies or books i'm not sure but the only thing i can think of to do this on purpose was purhaps they felt that the next book wouldn't have enough stuff in it so they are gonig to have it in the next movie instead.

Now wether or not that messes up the continuity of how things play out i'm not sure but its the only thing i can think of as i doubt it would have been jsut a mistake to leave that apparently important stuff out when they know there will be more movies to come.

[sirdizzy]

most of those scenes pertain to book 7, you forget Order of the Phoenix was filmed way last year and the director could not have known about those ideas being important for the 7th not yet released book

he was going to leave out Kreacher completly but Rowling told him it would be important for him to include him so he ended up cutting a dobby scene to make room for Kreacher

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by sirdizzy
most of those scenes pertain to book 7, you forget Order of the Phoenix was filmed way last year and the director could not have known about those ideas being important for the 7th not yet released book


Exactly.

I thought this thread was going to pertain to not including the total awesomeness that IS Ralph Fiennes.

[adamjohnson]

FREAKING SPOILERS FOR HARRY POTTER SIX!!!!

Besides, except for the first one, I could create a few scenarios where it wont matter that those werent included.

"For example, they got rid of the cleaning part at Grimmauld Place. One of the items found during the cleaning is the locket that plays a huge part in the later books/movies."

I'm willing to bet the 'finding' is in movie 6 or 7. Two books was a long time to remember that little thing, even for HP nerds.

"Sirius never gave Kreacher the order that ended up making the house-elf betray him and have Sirius murdered."

This is meh for me. Its not really necessary. He's dead, whatcha gonna do.

"What happened to Snape calling Lily a "filthy mudblood" in the flashback? Was she even there?"

Without doubt this will be in movie 6.

"The scene in which Harry received a two-way mirror from Sirius was omitted from the film. So, how the hell are they going to explain Aberforth Dumbledore using it in many important scenes later on??"

Again, meh. It was mostly a tease for us to believe Dumbledore was still alive. With the notable exception of when they are in the cage at the Malfoy's. Still, I could see Dobby popping in there anyway.

[jolanar]

Magic did it.

That's the explanation they will use when mysteriously covering up plot holes from previous movies.

[LordSimen]

How come I hear this every time a new movie is released and yet, despite all that, I have no problem following the events that occur in the coming sequals.

People also said the same thing about The Bourne Ultimatum, and look how great that turned out. Seriously, I don't care what the movies leave out that are in the books. The books can go on for ages, the movies cannot. Movies are timed and therefore have to cut stuff to fit within that time.

[Shockwave]

Its been a growing problem with each movie.


I hadnt read the book to that last movie by the time it came out, and was pretty lost at certain events.

[inglourious basterd]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Its been a growing problem with each movie.


I hadnt read the book to that last movie by the time it came out, and was pretty lost at certain events.

I started to feel that around book 3.

At that point, I started reading the books.

I'm glad that I did because the buildup and anticipation for the sequels were fun. Waiting for the next books was like waiting for the next Matrix sequel, Spidey sequel, or Star Wars Prequel. Because no one in the world knew what was going to happen, reading the books gave people the opportunity to speculate about what was going to happen given the literary evidence in the books.

Now...all the answers are out there and it wouldn't be as fun.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by LordSimen
How come I hear this every time a new movie is released and yet, despite all that, I have no problem following the events that occur in the coming sequals.

People also said the same thing about The Bourne Ultimatum, and look how great that turned out. Seriously, I don't care what the movies leave out that are in the books. The books can go on for ages, the movies cannot. Movies are timed and therefore have to cut stuff to fit within that time.

Its not little things. Certain things that were omitted are CRUCIAL to the plots of book 6 and 7.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by adamjohnson
Its not little things. Certain things that were omitted are CRUCIAL to the plots of book 6 and 7.

Exactly! That's my point! YOu're saying EXACTLY what EVERYONE SAYS any time any book adaptation in a series comes out, "they omitte dthe most important thing, how are they going to do the sequal?" and all that jazz. It's never been a problem and someone always mentions it after the newest installment comes out.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Exactly! That's my point! YOu're saying EXACTLY what EVERYONE SAYS any time any book adaptation in a series comes out, "they omitte dthe most important thing, how are they going to do the sequal?" and all that jazz. It's never been a problem and someone always mentions it after the newest installment comes out.

HARRY POTTER SPOILERS

SERIOUSLY COMPLETE AND UTTER SPOILERS ABOUT THE NEXT FILMS

DONT FREAKIN READ

Remember how in Indiana Jones when they found the Ark of the Covenant? Yeah, it's like forgetting that and trying to make the movie without it.

So, no, Its not EXACTLY like you say. The Bourne Identity has had virtually nothing to do with the books (other than his name is Bourne) since they came out so its a different story (And a bad example to support your theory)

The thing that was ommitted is a very crucial piece to the death of Voldemort. This actually goes back all the way to Chamber of Secrets.

The Diary Harry killed had a piece ofVoldemorts soul in it. So does this thing that was omitted. You cant kill Voldemort unless you destroy all of these items.

So, wouldnt you say, not having itis kind of important?

[zombievictim]

Yeah, as adamjohnson said, the Bourne series is a horrible example and I'm not entirely sure why you'd bring that adaptation up since it's really not much of an adaptation. If you've read, or even looked at a summary, or synopsis, of the books, you'll realize that they really don't have much to do with the movies.

And I definitely agree with the Original Poster, I mean, they omitted SO many different things. And while some of them can be overlooked, a few were very key elements in the later books. I'm definitely not happy with the director (David Yates) way of thinking: Let's keep them as short as possible. I mean, just because it's shorter doesn't mean anything. It means that you don't a high enough attention span to pay attention for even two a half hours. And when you're adapting a book which is THAT massive, you're gonna have to cope with the fact that you're going to make a long movie. Sorry, I had to get that out. Yates pissed me off with that statement.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by adamjohnson

So, wouldnt you say, not having itis kind of important?

No. it's not important. They can merely mention it and talk about in the next movie where it's relevant and they have the time to speak of it, just like they've done in the past. Like I said, everyone makes this complaint every time a new book comes out. It's the same thing. It's exactly like I stated before.

[Scarfather]

That's what they get for starting to adapt a series that isn't finished.

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by LordSimen
No. it's not important. They can merely mention it and talk about in the next movie where it's relevant and they have the time to speak of it, just like they've done in the past. Like I said, everyone makes this complaint every time a new book comes out. It's the same thing. It's exactly like I stated before.

Negative.

Some of this stuff is pretty damn vital. Its not like a side character being left out, its pivital plot points that will make the current story make very little sense.

Id either add stuff back in, or add the events into the later movies somehow. Now that the series is finished in book form, i would mind some changes to the movies to make them flow better.

The last one needed some stuff added to it BAD. I didnt know wtf was going on in its last 30 minutes other then some half ass last minute crap about a prophecy and Black got zapped thru some kind of mirrior.

LOTR pulled things off pretty well without shortening the books to stupid lengths. Id like to see that kind of qaulity from these movies WITHOUT having to read the books just to know wtf is going on at times.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Shockwave
Negative.

Some of this stuff is pretty damn vital. Its not like a side character being left out, its pivital plot points that will make the current story make very little sense.

Id either add stuff back in, or add the events into the later movies somehow. Now that the series is finished in book form, i would mind some changes to the movies to make them flow better.

The last one needed some stuff added to it BAD. I didnt know wtf was going on in its last 30 minutes other then some half ass last minute crap about a prophecy and Black got zapped thru some kind of mirrior.

LOTR pulled things off pretty well without shortening the books to stupid lengths. Id like to see that kind of qaulity from these movies WITHOUT having to read the books just to know wtf is going on at times.

I've never read a Harry Potter book in my life and I don't really plan too. I havn't had any trouble watching the movies and understanding them completely, they seem pretty cut and dry to me and self explanatory most of the time.

[inglourious basterd]

Originally posted by LordSimen
I've never read a Harry Potter book in my life and I don't really plan too. I havn't had any trouble watching the movies and understanding them completely, they seem pretty cut and dry to me and self explanatory most of the time.

The storyline is very easy to follow. But what people who read the book are saying is that some of the stuff that was elminated in 1-5 are things that are really important to the storyline in the future books. And I'd agree with this.

You'll continue to understand the basic plotline, but, because things are missing, many things in the movies simply wont make sense. I began to feel this happen in Cuaron's Azkaban. Its only going to get worse for 6 and 7. But, you know what? I'm still going to watch them.

[adamjohnson]

Originally posted by Shockwave

The last one needed some stuff added to it BAD. I didnt know wtf was going on in its last 30 minutes other then some half ass last minute crap about a prophecy and Black got zapped thru some kind of mirrior.



The prophecy was given by Professor Trelawny at Hogwarts. This is the EXACT reason why Harrys parents were killed.

You think not knowing this isnt important?

Its not important per part 5's story, but its OH SO important in part 6. I'd wager, without including this, the movie wont make any sense.

The prophecy itself was EXACT Thing that led V to kill Harrys parents, and then try to kill him, and thus, creating his own enemy.

Things like that mean everything.

[Shockwave]

Yeah.

I mean, i was always a big fan of "if your going to adapt something then ADAPT it!".

I dont want to see the cliff notes, i want to see the whole story.

[Natty]

Yeah! I see what you mean, didn't notice that. Especially your last two points - I would have liked to see full Snape flashbacks.

[ScaryFreak1827]

Like someone posted above, audiences aren't going to remember minor details like some elf finding a locket or what happened in a Snape flashback. Those details can be introduced in the later movies when it is relevant.

[inglourious basterd]

Like someone posted above, audiences aren't going to remember minor details like some elf finding a locket or what happened in a Snape flashback. Those details can be introduced in the later movies when it is relevant.

The problem isn't the small details -- that the elf brought a locket. The problems have to do with barely writing anything about the secondary characters.

The last two movies involve these characters a lot more and I think that the quality of the movies will suffer as a result of it. The main criticism from non-readers of the HP series is that the movie seems to play off as cliffs notes of the book. And that's from non-readers. This dynamic will be worsened when characters with virtually no screen time will come to have very important roles without any development.

[the_sneaker]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS





The mirror part baffled me for the longest time after I read book 7 because I was wondering how in the hell was Dobby going to get to Malfoy Manor to save everyone? But after talking about it on the net and thinking about it, I realized that Dobby always came to Harry when Harry called him, even if he wasn't bound to Harry. So I don't think it would be that big of a stretch to have Harry call Dobby to have them get out of there.

[HHH123007]

Maybe it's just the uncommon opinion of someone who hasn't read any of the books, but I don't really see where any of those things missing will be a problem.

The film franchise has reached a point where it can literally be turned into anything they(the filmmakers) want it to be.

I'd compare it to what they did with Batman Begins. Use characters that are somewhat established in movie-goer minds and put them in something that makes sense, whether faithful to the original source material or not.

They could make Harry go fishing for 20 minutes in the last film, just as long as it makes sense in the context of the film overall. I don't give a fuck if the movie follows the book, it just better look like they didn't phone it in to make money.

[inglourious basterd]

The film franchise has reached a point where it can literally be turned into anything they(the filmmakers) want it to be.

I'd compare it to what they did with Batman Begins. Use characters that are somewhat established in movie-goer minds and put them in something that makes sense, whether faithful to the original source material or not.
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This makes no sense.

Making the Harry Potter films differ significantly from loosely adapting comic book series based on hundreds of comic books. The books are based on the plots they're named after. The plots and fates of the characters were decided even before the first book was penned.

Even if they chose to change things dramatically from what's been published in the books, they dont have much license for creative freedom. They're inclined to maintain the continuity of the story and they have to keep the story in line with the major plot points of each books of the series. They can't, for instance, kill off main characters that survived at the conclusion of the seventh book.

[ScaryFreak1827]

I just heard the actress who plays Fleur will not be in the 6th film. THIS is something that could screw up the later story, especially with the big wedding scene in the 7th.

[the_sneaker]

I just heard the actress who plays Fleur will not be in the 6th film. THIS is something that could screw up the later story, especially with the big wedding scene in the 7th.

Not necessarily. I mean, it sucks that they're not going to use the same actress, but as long as they use the same girl for the last two, it shouldn't cause any problems.

[ScaryFreak1827]

I'm actually thinking Fleur might not even be IN the next 2 films (not just the same actress)!

[Briare Rabbit]

How closely the follow the books is completely irrelevant. Considering I hear all this bitching and moaning about how OOTP didn't quite put the entire book on screen and yet... it was probably the best of the series. Much better than that dreadful shit that was Goblet of Fire.

Oh, and lets not forget what happens when you put everything in the book, down to the last detail, into the movie. You get the first two Harry Potter movies. And guess what? They were like textbooks on how to make a mediocre film.

Film 3 comes along, they omit a few unimportant details and hire a real director and guess what? Better film. Back to the drawing board for book 4 when they get studio hack for hire Newell and he turns out a piece of shit. These are films, they are not books. You want the book, you read the fuckin book.

Yates should do books 6 and 7 and if not him, than Cuaron cause their films are the only ones worth a tinkers damn and I dare you to prove me wrong.

[Natty]

Yates should do books 6 and 7.

True, only part of the post I agree with (not that I have a problem with the post), I think people should stop bashing Yates to be honest coz he has made the best one so far.