Why do people hate artists for producing one bad piece of work?

[LordSimen]

I've noticed a trend that occurs a lot where a director, or an actor, or an artist of any kind spends their entire career producing good films or pieces of art and then the moment they produce a bad one people start to hate them for it. Here's an example:

Sam Raimi, known for directing movies such as Evil Dead, Spider-man, The Quick And The Dead, The Gift and many more good to decent movies now seems to be hated by everyone for simply making one movie they didn't like (Spider-man 3).

Why? He made 2 good ones before and the rest of his career has been pretty solid, why would you hate him for one piece of work? I've seen it happen to other directors, including Bryan Singer and even directors like Peter Jackson. I understand not liking their latest work or not enjoying it, but I'll never understand the people who've "lost faith" in someone for doing one bad piece of work. It happens. People are natural.

Sorry, It's just a pet peeve of mine that's been bugging me recently. XD

[Joey Blue]

I agree, you have to wait things out with people. If they make on bad movie, give them another chance, if the next ones bad, than they have 2 strikes, if they strike out 3 times, than I'd say you could start burying them.

If you ever seen Entourage, the character Eric does this in one of the episodes, when he doesn't like Walsh's new film, and says how he thinks Walsh is past his peak/prime or whatever. It's one bad movie in an impressive lot, give them a chance.

[JJFlamingo]

Agreed. Look at Costner on Postman (great movie, by the way), that didn't do well, and his career still hasn't fully recovered...:(

[Le_Big_Mac]

People are quick to assume a filmmaker has lost his touch when he does one bad film/performance. You just have to wait and see without making assumptions.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

I still like Raimi. I just hope he gets back on the horse after SM3. And if he doesn't, then I'll start truly hating on him.

[Cronos]

I've noticed this too, especially recently with Raimi, don't really understand why. I was very disappointed with Spider-Man 3 but i don't hate Raimi because of it.

[psycheoutsteve]

I don't hate a director for producing one piece of bad work, however Tim Burton has been pissing me off lately. With the exception of Big Fish everything else he has done in recent years has sucked or been mediocre, (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride, Planet of The Apes). He better redeem himself with Sweeney Todd...

[fooknasty]

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Agreed, Tim Burton hasn't made an exceptional film in the 2000's. It's just been a string of misses (Big Fish was good, but not great).

I would have to say Tom Cruise would make this list, only because more of what is happening in his personal life. From 2001 to 2004, I believe that Tom Cruise had one of the best string of movies in his career, and any career for that matter. Vanilla Sky, Minority Report, Last Samurai, and Collateral are all phenomenal movies.

However, with negative press in his persoanl life and the mediocre reviews for War of the Worlds and the lack of success for MI3, he has really gone down in the public eye, which is a shame becuase he is arguably the greatest actor of our generation, and arguably the greatest of all time.


*That's right, I said it........*

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by fooknasty
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Agreed, Tim Burton hasn't made an exceptional film in the 2000's. It's just been a string of misses (Big Fish was good, but not great).

I would have to say Tom Cruise would make this list, only because more of what is happening in his personal life. From 2001 to 2004, I believe that Tom Cruise had one of the best string of movies in his career, and any career for that matter. Vanilla Sky, Minority Report, Last Samurai, and Collateral are all phenomenal movies.

However, with negative press in his persoanl life and the mediocre reviews for War of the Worlds and the lack of success for MI3, he has really gone down in the public eye, which is a shame becuase he is arguably the greatest actor of our generation, and arguably the greatest of all time.


*That's right, I said it........*

I definitely agree with you here and what bugs me the most is that despite his public persona and what he's done with his personal life it hasn't actually lead to a decline in the quality of his films! Mission Impossble 3 was pretty much the best of the 3 in my eyes and War of the Worlds was a pretty fun blockbuster from start to finish... His downfall has come not even from producing a bad piece of work but just people being biased against him because he's a jerk to people in life.

[Monotreme]

Originally posted by psycheoutsteve
I don't hate a director for producing one piece of bad work, however Tim Burton has been pissing me off lately. With the exception of Big Fish everything else he has done in recent years has sucked or been mediocre, (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Corpse Bride, Planet of The Apes). He better redeem himself with Sweeney Todd...
Well this is really a matter of opinion. Sure, Planet of the Apes was undeniably problematic - although I seem to have far less of a problem with it than many other people, because I ENDLESSLY appreciate it for its design, cinematography and make-up achivements. But Big Fish was a fucking masterpiece, Burton's best and the second best film of 2003 after Return of the King, and I liked both Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and especially Corpse Bride, which I thought was simply magical, beautifully melancholy and extremely well-made.

And come on - we all know that Sweeney Todd will totally rock :P

Also, War of the Worlds actually got many positive reviews - not raves, but I remember many critics did see the elements to appreciate in it. It was mainly the audience that backlashed due to Cruise's persona and portrayal in the media. It is for this reason that I fear for the future of films like Lions for Lambs and Valkyrie - both sound great, but so many people blindly hate Cruise that I can't help but be concerned. I hope backlash will be minimal and people will be able to appreciate the films for what they are.

[A.J. Hakari]

I like to give directors a little shit for misfires they have now and then, but I never cop an attitude of "Oh, their career is ruined forever in my eyes." People have their ups and downs, and filmmakers are no exception.

That being said, I still want to deliver a swift kick to Uwe Boll's nards someday.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Jon Voight should not be allowed to act again after the string of horrible films he's been in. Yes, forget the fact that he was the star of Midnight Cowboy and Coming Home, the man is pathetic.


But if it's one film, then yeah I can understand. Some people do things for money that they're not proud of. Hollywood is a rough business like that. I can see past some things.

If an artist actually makes an effort, though, then I can make an exception. I hated Lost Highway but I still love David Lynch and everything else he's done. He obviously made an effort with Lost Highway, I just think he was capable of so much better.

[Gordon]

Originally posted by Adam J. Hakari

That being said, I still want to deliver a swift kick to Uwe Boll's nards someday.

Do you mean the man that delivered such classics as "House of the Dead", "Alone in the Dark" and "Bloodrayne"? Why Gosh, fine sir, I think you're unaware that you simply lack an understanding of such complex matters, this may be your inability to understand the true majesty of Uwe Boll. You see, he is a fine filmmakers, as he has pointed out, and his films poor critical reception is entirely due to lackluster game plots (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6177606.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0).

[echo_bravo]

I definitely agree with this rant. Thats why I dont hold it againist M. Night for making Lady in the Water, which was awful by the way. But I still remember all the other good films he has made in the past.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
I definitely agree with this rant. Thats why I dont hold it againist M. Night for making Lady in the Water, which was awful by the way. But I still remember all the other good films he has made in the past.


Actually, I liked Lady in the Water. It was The Village that sucked.

And Sam Raimi will always be on my cool side no matter how many bad movies he's done for the great work he's done in Darkman, The Gift and A Simple Plan.


I think Schumacher deserves a mention here. I mean, Batman & Robin isn't the only bad movie he's done (The Number 23 comes to mind) but he's done so many movies that range from good to great, and it's almost like those movies never existed after the debacle that was Batman & Robin.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
I definitely agree with this rant. Thats why I dont hold it againist M. Night for making Lady in the Water, which was awful by the way. But I still remember all the other good films he has made in the past.


That's what I mean by people actually trying. Poor Shyamalan keeps trying to make good movies in the tradition of The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable but misses the mark entirely. I have respect for him actually trying.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by ilovemovies

I think Schumacher deserves a mention here. I mean, Batman & Robin isn't the only bad movie he's done (The Number 23 comes to mind) but he's done so many movies that range from good to great, and it's almost like those movies never existed after the debacle that was Batman & Robin.

That's definitely another good example.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
Jon Voight should not be allowed to act again after the string of horrible films he's been in. Yes, forget the fact that he was the star of Midnight Cowboy and Coming Home, the man is pathetic.



Yeah, what the hell happened to Voight? His agent must be a idiot

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[JCPhoenix]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
I definitely agree with this rant. Thats why I dont hold it againist M. Night for making Lady in the Water, which was awful by the way. But I still remember all the other good films he has made in the past.

Exactly. In fact, I hated both The Village and Lady in the Water but I'm still very interested in seeing The Happening.

I felt The Fountain was a mess but it hasn't diminished what I think of Darren Aronofsky in the least. Same (to a lesser extent) with Sofia Coppola and Marie Antoinette.

Making a great movie takes talent, it's true, but it also takes a lot of luck if you think about all the millions of factors that go into the making of a film. It's a miracle that studio films even get completed successfully considering how huge an undertaking and how big a project they usually are. I know the director is possibly the single biggest role on a film but you have to keep in mind there are also hundreds of other people working on that film who all contribute various things which can alter whether a film is bad, good, or great.

The fact that some of these filmmakers are even able to churn out more than just one great movie is already astonishing in itself. I think we can cut them some slack when they miss.

[john_rambo]

The Village wouldnt have been quite so bad if they hadnt shoved this "twist" down our throat. That twist ruined what could have been a good movie with the right twist. The twist that they chose could be used in period piece ever, and is basically a rip off of the end of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Rule number 1 if your trying to make a good suspenseful movies, dont borrow scenes from a comedy troupe.

[psycheoutsteve]

Originally posted by john_rambo
The Village wouldnt have been quite so bad if they hadnt shoved this "twist" down our throat. That twist ruined what could have been a good movie with the right twist. The twist that they chose could be used in period piece ever, and is basically a rip off of the end of Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Rule number 1 if your trying to make a good suspenseful movies, dont borrow scenes from a comedy troupe.


I'm really not seeing how the Village ripped off Monty Python and the Holy Grail...I mean, if that's true then you would have to admit that every movie that ended with a society being a fantasy ripped off some other movie. That's really a stretch since the concept has been around so long.

[DarthWade]

Anyone who gives up on a director after one "bad" film is idiotic. Imagine the movies we would have missed out on if everyone had thought of that. Spielberg had a bad one, 1941, but he's done some amazing work since then. If there are a string of failures, then I'd worry.

I didn't think Spiderman 3 was so bad, it did suffer from the too many villains problem though, which I hope doesn't ruin the next Batman movie.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by psycheoutsteve
I'm really not seeing how the Village ripped off Monty Python and the Holy Grail...I mean, if that's true then you would have to admit that every movie that ended with a society being a fantasy ripped off some other movie. That's really a stretch since the concept has been around so long.

Even Mel Brooks did it once. Yeah, it's really not ripping off anyone. The only problem with the Village is that this so called "twist" was revealed so early on in the movie it really failed to have any impact as a twist and took out all the danger and suspense from the movie once it happend.

[john_rambo]

Come to think of it the monty python comparison was stupid, do me a favor and forget i said that.

[psycheoutsteve]

Originally posted by john_rambo
Come to think of it the monty python comparison was stupid, do me a favor and forget i said that.

*Steps into memory wipe machine* Forget what?

[Dirtyfrog]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank
Yeah, what the hell happened to Voight? His agent must be a idiot

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Don't check Ben Kingsley on IMDB ..... his agent is on very potent crack-cocaine >.<

[bonoferox]

Originally posted by Dirtyfrog
Don't check Ben Kingsley on IMDB ..... his agent is on very potent crack-cocaine >.<


I was honestly just thinking about him as I read through the thread. Regardless of his recent films, he's still one of the best actors of our generation.

Same goes for Morgan Freeman who's had his share of crapbags over the past decade (namely Dreamcatcher and Evan Almighty). But I still love the man.

[Tagia_Romero]

To use one example, John Carpenter hasn't exactly hit a really high point in his recent career, but I for one can't hate him. Take 'Ghosts of Mars' for example, his last feature film was FAR from perfect, but for what it was, a nifty B-Grade sci-fi action film, I dug it because of it's near tongue-in-cheek vibe and how much fun it generally was.
True, I'm waiting for Carpenter to make a come-back, as is most of his fans, but I could never hate the man for any of his work, even the lack-lustre 'Village of the Damned', because we know he can do better. It's just a matter of when he decides to deliver it.
He did have a lovely reprieve from obscurity with his first 'Masters of Horror' 'Cigarette Burns' though.