Dont let your no talent wives star in your films!!!

[echo_bravo]

Just got done watching Halloween and hated it oh so much. (3/10) but the thing I hated the most out of the film was Sheri Moon Zombie or whatever her fucking name is. She completely ruined the earlier scenes in the film for me. She also has NO acting talent whatsoever!!!

Kevin Smith is also guilty of this as well. He had his trophy wife play a role in Clerks 2, which really annoyed me. Look, we get it. You two guys found two hot babes (rather skanky and slutty looking IMO) that married you...congrats. But for the sake of your movie fans, keep them out of your films and in your kitchens.

That is all.



PS: Sam Mendes IS allowed to do this though because his wife is actually VERY talented.

[Cop No. 633]

I second that motion! Here-here!

[Lazy Boy]

David Mamet did the same thing when he cast his wife in The Spanish Prisoner. Good thing the rest of the film was up to par.

I actually got used to Sheri in Halloween, after the initial opening segments where it looked like she was trying not to laugh at everything William Forsythe was saying (I would've, too, his lines were so hamfisted). Her quiet moments sorta redeemed her for me.

[EVILxxx]

Nepotism in regards to casting is almost always a bad decision.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Originally posted by EVILxxx
Nepotism in regards to casting is almost always a bad decision.

I think Mr. Coppola would agree with you.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Kevin Smith is also guilty of this as well. He had his trophy wife play a role in Clerks 2, which really annoyed me. Look, we get it. You two guys found two hot babes (rather skanky and slutty looking IMO) that married you...congrats. But for the sake of your movie fans, keep them out of your films and in your kitchens.
I didn't find Kevin Smith's wife to be even remotely attractive in CLERKS II. She looked sickeningly skinny and skeleton-like. More importantly though, she felt painfully out of place, and her acting was lousy. It wasn't enough to ruin the movie for me, but I certainly found it irritating. The one sore spot in an otherwise fantastic film.

[FatSakHead]

Ahh, Kevin Smith is a piece of shit anyways. I'd still pork his wife though.

[Dragula]

I don't know why everyone is being so harsh on the remake of Halloween. The original is better and more intense but the Rob Zombie version wasn't half bad.

[Preston_79]

I like it when Ben Stiller puts his wife in his movies. She's bangin' and I can't get enough. Her wearing those little shorts in Dodgball, mmm, mmm good.

[psycheoutsteve]

Originally posted by Dragula
I don't know why everyone is being so harsh on the remake of Halloween. The original is better and more intense but the Rob Zombie version wasn't half bad.

I strongly agree with you. In my opinion the reviews for Zombie's Halloween are being a bit excessive with the negative aspects of the film. People can think what they will, but I think every film has its flaws and the remake of Halloween is no different. Also, I thought the flaws weren't enough to condemn the film as a whole. It was an enjoyable and interesting horror flick.

As for Sherri Moon Zombie and her acting in the new Halloween, ya it could've been better, but it wasn't god awful. She certainly didn't ruin the movie for me.

[Le_Big_Mac]

More importantly, don't let your no-talent daughters star in your films. Francis, I'm looking at you!

[Frank the Tank]

Kevin Smith's wife baffles me. I find her kind of frightening. Her face looks like it's melting or something. She's not attractive at all, and she's quite a terrible actress. Something about the way she delivers her lines bugs the hell out of me.

[bigred760]

So let me get this straight: a director should only cast his wife if she's a good actress. :rolleyes:

It's funny you mention Sam Mendes (and Kate Winslet) because he's never directed her in a movie.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by bigred760
So let me get this straight: a director should only cast his wife if she's a good actress. :rolleyes:
That comment makes perfect sense. Why the rolling eyes?

[bigred760]

Originally posted by Quigles
That comment makes perfect sense. Why the rolling eyes?

Who determines if she's good? What if the director thinks she's good? Something tells me Zombie thinks his wife is a good actress; that or I doubt he'll tell her otherwise.

[Buck Turgidson]

I'm in general agreement with Dear Mr. Echo. But, to clarify...

1. This goes for girlfriends, too. Peter Bogdanovich let his little head do the thinking for the big one and thought that just because Cybill Sheppard was good in The Last Picture Show playing a beautiful, spoiled, manipulative bitch (i.e., herself), that it would be a great idea to cast her in several of his subsequent films. His career never recovered and he kept on repeating the pattern with other women.

2. I'm stunned that Rebecca Pidgeon, who is quite talented, got dragged into this conversation.

[Dragula]

Originally posted by psycheoutsteve

As for Sherri Moon Zombie and her acting in the new Halloween, ya it could've been better, but it wasn't god awful. She certainly didn't ruin the movie for me.

Her acting was pretty bad in Halloween and in her earlier film "House Of 1000 Corpses."

[NuclearMisfit]

My mom said the same thing, he could have easily gotten a better actress to play Mrs Myers.

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by bigred760
So let me get this straight: a director should only cast his wife if she's a good actress. :rolleyes:

It's funny you mention Sam Mendes (and Kate Winslet) because he's never directed her in a movie.

He will be.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0959337/

Glad I'm not the only one that hates Kevin Smith's wife.
And there is a reason Sheri Moon hasnt been in any other films other than her hubbies'...its cause she blows.

[echo_bravo]

Oh and how could I forget the biggest clusterfuck of them all.

Guy Ritchie letting Madonna star in Swept Away. That was the worst of them all.

[RustyRazor]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Oh and how could I forget the biggest clusterfuck of them all.

Guy Ritchie letting Madonna star in Swept Away. That was the worst of them all.


In some countries, "Swept Away" is shown at prisons and labor camps as a form of torture.

Talk about rehabilitation.

[EvilHenchman]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Kevin Smith is also guilty of this as well. He had his trophy wife play a role in Clerks 2, which really annoyed me. Look, we get it. You two guys found two hot babes (rather skanky and slutty looking IMO) that married you...congrats. But for the sake of your movie fans, keep them out of your films and in your kitchens.

Ouch. Very ouch (yet very funny...).

While I don't especially agree that Mrs. Kevin Smith is as you describe her (but do agree that she's no actress), I found it very amusing when he cast her among the babe quartet of Ali Larter, Eliza Dushku, and Shannon Elizabeth in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. That move, I'm certain, earned him at least a month's worth of quality, no-nonsense head from the missus.

[EZM22]

Originally posted by echo_bravo
Oh and how could I forget the biggest clusterfuck of them all.

Guy Ritchie letting Madonna star in Swept Away. That was the worst of them all.

Just about to mention this. I still think she ruined his career.

Tim Burton does this, too... first it was Lisa Marie and now Helena Bonham Carter in every single one of his movies. And I don't like her at all, so this sucks.

[EvilHenchman]

Originally posted by EZM22
Tim Burton does this, too... first it was Lisa Marie and now Helena Bonham Carter in every single one of his movies. And I don't like her at all, so this sucks.

True, but with Lisa Marie, Burton was smart enough to limit her roles to largely non-speaking ones (she had a few lines in Ed Wood...), and HBC is a well-established actress with Oscar-caliber chops...so he'd be silly NOT to use her in his movies. Likewise with Kenneth Branagh when he was married to Emma Thompson.

[outsyder]

People are failing to realize that when directors marry already established actors, it doesn't count.

And another mention, Ben Stiller and his wife Christine Taylor. Attractive, yes, acting, sucks.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by outsyder
People are failing to realize that when directors marry already established actors, it doesn't count.

And another mention, Ben Stiller and his wife Christine Taylor. Attractive, yes, acting, sucks.

Those are fighting words.

I love Christine Taylor. Would like to see more of her in movies.

Loved her ever since the Nick show Hey Dude. :)



And I agree with Buck that Rebecca Pidgeon is a good actress.

[Spidey]

Didn't Steven Spielberg let his wife star in one of the Indiane Jones movies ? And James Cameron used Linda Hamilton in T2 ? Now those were some good calls.

[Donnie_Darko]

How did I know this would be about (at least in part), about Zombie. ;)

Dude... she may be reasonably hot, but she can NOT act!! She's a polished turd. Shiny, pretty, but still a stinking TURD!

And I agree... Smith's wife is just goofy looking. Not hot, just marginally "okay".

Hey, if you're a director, and you marry an actress (talented AND hot... I'm looking at you Wiseman... bastard), then fine... stick her in ONE of your movies. But just cause you're getting some poon, doesn't mean she can act as well in front of the camera, as she does in the bedroom. (I'm looking at you Kevin)

[LordSimen]

I disagree with this rant. A director should chose whoever he/she wants to be in the role if he/she feels that person works within his/hr vision.

[bonoferox]

Originally posted by Spidey
Didn't Steven Spielberg let his wife star in one of the Indiane Jones movies ? And James Cameron used Linda Hamilton in T2 ? Now those were some good calls.

Spielberg I think met Capshaw on the set of Temple of Doom, so I don't think that one counts.

[Tweek]

Originally posted by outsyder

And another mention, Ben Stiller and his wife Christine Taylor. Attractive, yes, acting, sucks.

HOW?? HOW DARE YOU!

On the subject of Kate Winslet, Sam Mendes fuckin' lucked out. She's extremely talented and beautiful and i would so tap that.


But i agree with the original post. -nods-

[outsyder]

Originally posted by bonoferox
Spielberg I think met Capshaw on the set of Temple of Doom, so I don't think that one counts.

Same with the Linda Hamilton thing. Cameron married her in 1997, 5 years after T2.

[A.J. Hakari]

Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
2. I'm stunned that Rebecca Pidgeon, who is quite talented, got dragged into this conversation.

Ditto, sir.

[IronMonkey]

Originally posted by Frank the Tank
Kevin Smith's wife baffles me. I find her kind of frightening. Her face looks like it's melting or something. She's not attractive at all, and she's quite a terrible actress. Something about the way she delivers her lines bugs the hell out of me.

I thought she was hot in Jay and Silent Bob - but after seeing her a few more times, nah...does nuthing for me. BTW, Kev' take care of that serious case of "DickieDo" ya have or your wife is gonna start slobbin on someone elses knob. ;)

DickieDo - Where ones belly sticks out much farther than his dickiedo..:D

[APzombie]

Originally posted by bonoferox
Spielberg I think met Capshaw on the set of Temple of Doom, so I don't think that one counts.

Yea, he was still married to Amy Ivring at the time, its rumored he cheated on her. That would be a bad thing, but Amy Ivring was said to have cheated on him a lot, blah blah blah drama.

Although they never married, I think Peter Bogdonovich lost a lot of his creative juices after The Last Picture Show because he was pu**y struck with Cybil Shepard.

[FatSakHead]

It's always the fat ugly directors who feel the need to show off their hot wives in their films.

[SAI]

I'd certainly agree on the point about Kevin Smith's wife, she never spoke a line that sounded natural in any of the three films she's been in for him.

BUT... I hated the Halloween remake (the workprint anyway) but I thought Sheri Moon was far and away the best thing about it and aside from Malcolm McDowell the only person who gave anything approaching a performance.

As for the other neames mentioned, a couple stand out. How did Rebecca Pidgeon get mentioned here? She's always good value in Mamet's films, I just wish she'd work more outside of them and Christine Taylor may not be the world's most versatile actress but she's pretty and a fun presence so she gets a pass too.

[MisterTwister]

I 100% disagree on Sherri Moon, her performance in Halloween was excellent.

[Cop No. 633]

I didn't like Sheri in most of the scenes, especially when the kitchen scene. It just felt awkward and she didn't seem believable at all.

But I will say Zombie was retarded for not showcasing what could have been Sheri's big moment: the aftermath of when Michael killed the nurse. Come on, this was her big realization scene that her son is a maniac, and what does Zombie do? He mutes the scene and puts a siren over it to make it more "intense." It was a terrible decision. Anybody who knows anything of film knows that nothing can top intense acting and hearing an actual scream on camera than a sound effect. Imagine if Stanley Kubrick put a siren over the infamous, "Here's Johnny!" scene... that scene owed a lot not only to Nicholson but to Shelly Duvall's screams... goes to show how much of an amateur Zombie is. But then again, maybe she delivered a bad performance (which could very likely be possible) and Zombie used the sound effect to cover it up.

Again, Sheri definitely needs to go to an acting class if she wants to keep working and Zombie needs to enroll in a film class... the guy needs to learn the friggin' basics of filmmaking. It's no wonder why his films are heavily flawed... you just can't wake up and say, "I'm a filmmaker" over night. I guess if you have the money, you can, but it doesn't make it right in my eyes.

LOL... check this out guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxI83FQ0gW8

[The Postmaster General]

I'm surprised Guy Ritchie is being put in the clear by the Zombies. I mean, Guy Ritchie... I mean, Rob Zombie - doesn't he promote his films as being trash? Either way...


Those of you interested in Christine Taylor should check out Heat Vision and Jack if you haven't already - pretty funny and a pretty hefty role for her in this TV pilot.

Yeah, I like her expressions during the orgy scene in Zoolander - too great when cut around those other faces... like... funny! funny! WOW HOT! funny! funn....

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by CosmicPuppet
Zombie needs to enroll in a film class... the guy needs to learn the friggin' basics of filmmaking. It's no wonder why his films are heavily flawed... you just can't wake up and say, "I'm a filmmaker" over night.

Then I suppose Stanley Kubrick should never have been a filmmaker with that logic. ;) :p

[HoyleHaw]

It's a double-edged blade, cuz some directors' wives are actually good actresses (see Leslie Mann).

I haven't bothered with the new Halloween, but Sheri Moon was great as Baby Firefly.

Rebecca Pidgeon (Mamet's wife) is an okay actress. She was actually pretty bad in "State and Main" but only because the rest of the cast was so good. (and her character was weak)

A lot of directors have married good actresses, or are at least dating them (Spielberg, Burton, Aronofsky). Maybe that's the equalizer.

[krazy drako]

Wasn't there a huge cluster F***** with relationships on the set of Underworld?


Keep in mind with Kevin Smith movies, he's always casted his friends and family. I don't see what the big deal of casting his wife is. If anything, her acting might cause needed tension to make some of the other scenes that much better because she's not in it. Just an optimistic way of looking at it. :)

[adamjohnson]

len Wiseman and Kate Beckinsale?

[DarthWade]

Oh and how could I forget the biggest clusterfuck of them all.

Guy Ritchie letting Madonna star in Swept Away. That was the worst of them all.

I don't know if this was true, but she was supposed to do a cameo in one of the James Bond movies, but would only do it if her husband - Sean Penn - could get a cameo as well. They turned her down.


Swept Away looked so rotten that I didn't dare watch it, I've seen the original and I liked it...but this looked like real shit.

[Damone]

Even though they never married, Clint Eastwood was guilty of this when he dated Sandra Locke.

[Brendan M.]

Zombie needs to enroll in a film class... the guy needs to learn the friggin' basics of filmmaking. It's no wonder why his films are heavily flawed... you just can't wake up and say, "I'm a filmmaker" over night. I guess if you have the money, you can, but it doesn't make it right in my eyes.

In Robert Rodrigueze's book "Rebel Without a Crew" he pretty much encourages to do exactly that. I learned the basics from a TV Production and film class in High School. I keep hearing people preach out against film schools because they're expensive and will more likely get you work on someone else's film rather than the chance to direct your own. That's really something you have to set out and do on your own if you want it. Plus Film School doesn't teach you how to make a movie or how to tell a story, that's another thing you have to learn on your own.

Back to the rant about wives. They can cast whoever the fuck they want, I could care less. I haven't seen Halloween 07 yet but did you people actually expect it to be a great movie anyway? Even if there was some other actress playing Myer's mom instead of Sheri Moon, I don't think it would've improved the movie at all.

If you don't like the cast then go direct your own movie.

[Briare Rabbit]

A) Filthy drunk and rambling spurts of expletives cannot be hamfisted as they are intended to be humorous.

B) Doesn't saying "don't like the cast make your own movie" pretty much discredit any kind of film criticism right there?

And don't defend Sheri Moon. I've hated that bitch since Rob Zombie's first movie which was shit.

Devil's Rejects is one of the best horror films in a long time and Halloween was up to snuff. Almost better than nearly everything to come out of American horror since, well, The Devil's Rejects.

And what the hell does Robert Rodriguez know anyway? The man excels at making crap. His only real good movie was crappy on purpose.

[Brendan M.]

He knew enough to get himself a job in Hollywood.

[smok3h]

I didn't mind Sheri Moon Zombie... I went into the movie hearing that her acting was bad from alot of people but I didn't really notice it to be bad.

As per Kevin Smith's wife being attractive..... uuuh, watch Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, and tell me she's attractive (if you do and still think she is, YOU'RE WRONG ;) )

[LordSimen]

Robert Rodriguez knows enough to be one of the best directors in the business, with tons of range. He can do anything from western-style-action (Mexico trilogy) to children's movies (Spy Kids) to horror movies (The Faculty, From Dusk Till Dawn, Planet Terror) to comic book movies (Sin City). The guy has loads of talent and I'd sooner listen to him on filmmaking than some person on a forum shouting "GO TO FILM SCHOOL," considering that person on the forum hasn't made it and Mr. Rodriguez has.

[Briare Rabbit]

He knew enough to get himself a job in Hollywood.

As did Jessica Simpson, Brett Ratner and Uwe Boll, whats your point?

[Cop No. 633]

I didn't say film school was for everybody. I said Rob Zombie needs to go to one.

I whole heartedly agree that not everybody needs to go to film school. I learned most of what I know about filmmaking on my own. And I've read Rebel Without a Crew. It's a very good, entertaining read. I recommend it to anybody who wants to make films.

But that doesn't change the fact that Rob Zombie still needs to go to one. The man is a crappy filmmaker whose sole solution to everything is to make it over the top. Bad acting in a scene? Make it over the top. Need to have more suspense in a chase scene? Give the camera man some amphetamines and a Red Bull.

Where the hell did Robert Rodriguez come into the equation? I respect the man a lot. I loved some of his films, not all of them, but I tip my hat to any fellow Chicano filmmaker whose as successful as he is. Simen, don't go on one of your rants again... I was just giving my opinion on ROB ZOMBIE and nobody else.

Man, it's like if I laid down the gauntlet and told everybody in this thread to go to film school. lol

And the fact that I haven't "made it" yet is irrelevant to the topic. Anybody here can criticize anybody else as long as it's got a reason and isn't simply, "I hate ____. They're an asshole, blah, blah, blah. Whine, whine, whine." Now that's something I can't tolerate.

[LordSimen]

I didn't say film school was for everybody. I said Rob Zombie needs to go to one.

I whole heartedly agree that not everybody needs to go to film school. I learned most of what I know about filmmaking on my own. And I've read Rebel Without a Crew. It's a very good, entertaining read. I recommend it to anybody who wants to make films.

But that doesn't change the fact that Rob Zombie still needs to go to one. The man is a crappy filmmaker whose sole solution to everything is to make it over the top. Bad acting in a scene? Make it over the top. Need to have more suspense in a chase scene? Give the camera man some amphetamines and a Red Bull.

Where the hell did Robert Rodriguez come into the equation? I respect the man a lot. I loved some of his films, not all of them, but I tip my hat to any fellow Chicano filmmaker whose as successful as he is. Simen, don't go on one of your rants again... I was just giving my opinion on ROB ZOMBIE and nobody else.

Man, it's like if I laid down the gauntlet and told everybody in this thread to go to film school. lol

And the fact that I haven't "made it" yet is irrelevant to the topic. Anybody here can criticize anybody else as long as it's got a reason and isn't simply, "I hate ____. They're an asshole, blah, blah, blah. Whine, whine, whine." Now that's something I can't tolerate.


I wasn't referring to you actually. Haha.

[Cop No. 633]

Whatever. I still think people took what I said too seriously... I was specifically talking about somebody who I felt wasn't a good filmmaker and everybody took it as a generalization about every filmmaker who hasn't gone to film school.

[Brendan M.]

As did Jessica Simpson, Brett Ratner and Uwe Boll, whats your point?

They all got famous the typical way, having lots of money and good connections. Robert Rodrigueze made a film on his own with little to no money, no crew, no plans to get famous off it, and he impressed big time studios with it.

The guy has loads of talent and I'd sooner listen to him on filmmaking than some person on a forum shouting "GO TO FILM SCHOOL," considering that person on the forum hasn't made it and Mr. Rodriguez has.

[Brendan M.]

Whatever. I still think people took what I said too seriously... I was specifically talking about somebody who I felt wasn't a good filmmaker and everybody took it as a generalization about every filmmaker who hasn't gone to film school.

I'll take the blame actually for bringing all that up. Sorry if I came out sounding like an ass. I think Zombie just needs a good smack in the face and a wake up call though more than film school. He's really one of those directors though who talk a lot about their visions and their ideas on cinema and blah blah blah. Pretty much like Eli Roth.

These two directors have each only released three big movies so far. Wait until you're as big as Martin Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola (although he needs to shut his mouth too sometimes because he hasn't done a great film since Apocalypse Now) and have many films under your belt. Then you can talk all you want about artistic vision and all that.

[pablo_super1!]

I found it annoying but eventualy got over sheri Moon, and Kevin smith's wife in their movies.

One director who has the right to put his wife in his movies is TIM BURTON

[Cop No. 633]

I still don't see anything wrong with criticizing art. That's one of the beauties about it. Regardless if you're a filmmaker or not, everybody has the right to criticize art. That's why we are on this board, aside from drooling at the mouth because of the Dark Knight. Also, I think it's good to find filmmakers you don't like. It inspires you just the same as being a fan of another filmmaker, only it reminds you of what you don't want to do as a filmmaker.

[Briare Rabbit]

These two directors have each only released three big movies so far. Wait until you're as big as Martin Scorsese or Francis Ford Coppola (although he needs to shut his mouth too sometimes because he hasn't done a great film since Apocalypse Now) and have many films under your belt. Then you can talk all you want about artistic vision and all that.

That is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely ridiculous. In every imaginable way. One must first make great films before he talks about artistic vision?

And then you stick up for Robert "studio hack" Rodriguez in an earlier post. tsk tsk tsk. And El Mariachi was only successful because it cost ten grand to make. He has thoroughly disappointed studios time after time, most notably with Grindhouse. Most of his films are faddle. To see that visually grotesque thing we call Sin City, and that diversity you say he has, anyone can have diversity. Diversity is wonderful if you're any good at it. Spy Kids 3?

Yeah, Rodriguez is no big talent. At all.

[Brendan M.]

That is ridiculous. I'm sorry, but that is absolutely ridiculous. In every imaginable way. One must first make great films before he talks about artistic vision?

And then you stick up for Robert "studio hack" Rodriguez in an earlier post. tsk tsk tsk. And El Mariachi was only successful because it cost ten grand to make. He has thoroughly disappointed studios time after time, most notably with Grindhouse. Most of his films are faddle. To see that visually grotesque thing we call Sin City, and that diversity you say he has, anyone can have diversity. Diversity is wonderful if you're any good at it. Spy Kids 3?

Yeah, Rodriguez is no big talent. At all.

Well I probably stuck up for him because he's a director that I like. I'm sure you'd do the same if I said someone you liked was no good.

I haven't seen the Spy Kid movies because obviously I know ahead of time that those films wouldn't appeal to me. The guy has 5 kids and none of them are old enough to see any of his other films so I'm sure he'd want to share his work with them in some way.

[ilovemovies]

Rodriguez will always be cool in my book for Sin City and From Dusk Till Dawn alone.

Rodriguez >>>>>>>> Eli Roth & Rob Zombie put together x 1 billion!

[zombievictim]

Wow. Can't believe what is being said about my main man Robert Rodriguez. Respect just went WAAAAAY down. Anyone doubting his skills, go watch Sin City or Planet Terror. Fucking FANTASTIC films.

[Briare Rabbit]

Wow. Can't believe what is being said about my main man Robert Rodriguez. Respect just went WAAAAAY down. Anyone doubting his skills, go watch Sin City or Planet Terror. Fucking FANTASTIC films.

A movie with terrible dialoguie and filmed in front of a green screen

or

A movie that was terrible on purpose.

Great track record, Robbie. At least your untalented buddy QT has Pulp Fiction on his resume.

[ilovemovies]

WHAAAA????????????? :eek:

Did you just call Tarantino untalented?!?!


Whoa. I've never heard anyone call him untalented.

[therealjohng]

Even though they never married, Clint Eastwood was guilty of this when he dated Sandra Locke.


Yeah, but she was good.

[Damone]

Yeah, but she was good.

I always thought she was a little wooden. Plus it didn't help when she had a mic and they had her sing.

[zombievictim]

Ummm....yeah, I guess I'll just take the higher path and not get banned over someones massive ignorance. I'll just say: Some people...:rolleyes:

[LordSimen]

Wow... Just... Wow...

[Briare Rabbit]

WHAAAA????????????? :eek:

Did you just call Tarantino untalented?!?!


Whoa. I've never heard anyone call him untalented.

What exactly is so great about him? Is it because theres lot of blood and cussing? Theres nothing particularly great about any of his films. In fact, Reservoir Dogs is awful, so is Death Proof.

His films are a cobbling together of scenes, ideas and lines LIFTED from other movies. His films are like a collage of trashtastic 70's exploitation shit that only he loves. See Death Proof for this collective fangasm put to film.

Tarantino has even lost his thing for dialogue, as stated. Death Proof sucked, the dialogue was the worst thing about it, a gigantic list of other problems.

The man is a hack. He lucked out with Pulp Fiction, he hasn't proven himself in any way since. Except maybe with Kill Bill Vol. 2, a 7/10 movie at best.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

The guy has loads of talent and I'd sooner listen to him on filmmaking than some person on a forum shouting "GO TO FILM SCHOOL," considering that person on the forum hasn't made it and Mr. Rodriguez has.


My I.Q., SAT score, and GPA all dropped significantly when I read this. Seriously, is this your ultimate critic-proof argument? Nobody here has succeeded so, therefore, their opinions are inferior? That's like saying a Jew can't criticize Hitler because he "made it" to chancellor and the Jew didn't. I really hope the rest of the country doesn't think like this, or else we're due for a 1984.

Anyway, back on topic. It depends on how it can be pulled off. Roberto Benigni's wife isn't that good of an actress but she was good enough for Life is Beautiful. If the movie itself has a solid script, a great story, and at least a good leading person, then I see no problem with casting untalented wives/girlfriends.

[LordSimen]

Edit: Post too angry, I take it back. Brendan M said what I wanted to say better anyway.

[Brendan M.]

My I.Q., SAT score, and GPA all dropped significantly when I read this. Seriously, is this your ultimate critic-proof argument? Nobody here has succeeded so, therefore, their opinions are inferior? That's like saying a Jew can't criticize Hitler because he "made it" to chancellor and the Jew didn't. I really hope the rest of the country doesn't think like this, or else we're due for a 1984.

That Jew and Hitler comparison is very extereme considering that it has nothing to do with what LordSimen was refering to. If Simen wanted to become a filmmaker, he means he would rather take Rodrigueze's advice over the guy on the forum who's only response is "go to film school." And if he wanted to become chancellor than yeah, he'd probably ask Hitler for advice if he hadn't lost the war and died.

The man is a hack. He lucked out with Pulp Fiction, he hasn't proven himself in any way since. Except maybe with Kill Bill Vol. 2, a 7/10 movie at best.

I'm not very fond of the Kill Bill movies these days and I'd probably say both are just as big fangasms as Death Proof.

[ilovemovies]

As far as Tarantino goes, I absolutely LOVED Kill Bill Volume 1. It's one of the best pure action/stylized movies period. It's like the ultimate style over substance movie. The movie is all about style and pure kinetic and visceral energy. And it's Tarantino's best directed movie. Not his best movie, that would be Pulp Fiction (with Resevoir Dogs very close behind) but Kill Bill Volume 1 is his best directing effort.

Volume 2 is a more traditional revenge story but it's a strong character driven movie. Plus, it also has some great action too. The fight scene between Thurman and Hannah is terrific. And the scene when Thurman is burried alive is a fantastic, brilliantly executed scene. And the ending is about as emotionally satisfying as it could possibly be. It actually left me underwhelmed when I originally saw it but it has really grown on me since.

Jackie Brown is probably my least favorite movie of his (I have not seen Death Proof yet). But it's a nice character driven movie too with a first-rate cast.

So yeah. I think Tarantino is FAR from a hack.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

That Jew and Hitler comparison is very extereme considering that it has nothing to do with what LordSimen was refering to. If Simen wanted to become a filmmaker, he means he would rather take Rodrigueze's advice over the guy on the forum who's only response is "go to film school." And if he wanted to become chancellor than yeah, he'd probably ask Hitler for advice if he hadn't lost the war and died.

Dude, I'm just looking for a response. You know, trying to stir the pot. Sorry if I got carried away, LS. But you have to admit, Hitler comparisons are the best at getting under people's skin.

[xseanymacx]

So SWEPT AWAY is on Universal HD right now and I can't sleep...this is the biggest piece of shit movie I've ever seen.

Guy takes the cake, for sure.

[Gordon]

Dude, I'm just looking for a response. You know, trying to stir the pot. Sorry if I got carried away, LS. But you have to admit, Hitler comparisons are the best at getting under people's skin.

If it's any conciliation, I thought it was fucking hilarious.

[Brendan M.]

It seems like everyone has been trying to get a rise out of eachother in this particular thread.

[adamjohnson]

A movie with terrible dialoguie and filmed in front of a green screen

or

A movie that was terrible on purpose.

Great track record, Robbie. At least your untalented buddy QT has Pulp Fiction on his resume.

Not only is his track record BETTER than QT's, but he is also the cinematographer and editor on all his films.

1. Sin City 3 (2008) (in production)
2. Machete (2008) (V) (in production)
3. Shorts (2009) (pre-production)
4. Sin City 2 (2009) (pre-production)

5. Planet Terror (2007)
6. Grindhouse (2007) (segment "Planet Terror") (fake trailer segment "Machete")
7. The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl 3-D (2005)
8. Sin City (2005)
... aka Frank Miller's Sin City (USA: complete title)
9. Ten Minute Film School: Big Movies Made Cheap (2004) (V)
10. Ten Minute Cooking School: Puerco Pibil (2004) (V)
11. Ten Minute Flick School: Fast, Cheap and in Control (2004) (V)
12. Inside Troublemaker Studios (2004) (V)
13. Once Upon a Time in Mexico (2003)
14. Spy Kids 3-D: Game Over (2003)
... aka Spy Kids 3: Game Over (USA: video title)
15. Del Castillo: Live (2003) (V)
16. Spy Kids 2: Island of Lost Dreams (2002)
... aka Spy Kids 2: The Island of Lost Dreams (USA: video box title)
17. Spy Kids (2001)

18. The Faculty (1998)
19. 10 More Minutes... Anatomy of a Shootout (1998) (V)
20. 10 Minute Film School (1998) (V)
21. From Dusk Till Dawn (1996)
22. Four Rooms (1995) (segment "The Misbehavers")
23. Desperado (1995)
24. Roadracers (1994) (TV)
... aka Rebel Highway
25. "Rebel Highway" (1 episode, 1994)
- Roadracers (1994) TV episode
26. Mariachi, El (1992)
27. Bedhead (1991)

[ilovemovies]

Rodriguez has a better track record than Tarantino? Ooookay.

I like Rodriguez, but I wonder if it's a coincidence that all of the movie's of his that I enjoy most are when he collaberates with QT (From Dusk Till Dawn, Sin City and I'm sure Grindhouse will be on this list too when I eventually see both movies).

Although I did enjoy the hell out of Once Upon a Time in Mexico, and if it weren't for the totally anticlimatic ending, I'd say Desperado as well.

[Jon Lyrik]

This thread has really derailed, but anyway, I respect Rodriguez for his work ethic, but he's simply not much of a filmmaker. Making cheese your whole career is limiting.

Tarantino has just regressed--he's become more like a bad parody of himself with every film he continues to make. The second Kill Bill was an exception, but his dialogue has gotten worse and he's simply moved from rampant homaging of mostly French New Wave and east Asian thrillers to an incredibly boring adaptation of an Elmore Leonard work to rampant homaging of...bad east Asian thrillers and horror cheese. The only difference between his current work and shit like Smokin' Aces is that Tarantino has watched more films than the directors of those kinds of flicks.

[LordSimen]

Both Smokin Aces and recent Tarrantino films (Kill Bill Vol 1 + 2, Death Proof) are great.

[chasingbanky]

Both Smokin Aces and recent Tarrantino films (Kill Bill Vol 1 + 2, Death Proof) are great.


Agreed. Not every movie is going to be a life changing dramatic vision, but all these movies are fun (Death Proof being the least of which, but was still a great time for me due to Stuntman Mike). You can make bold statements like QT has no talent, or nonsense such as that, but in reality he's pleased many fans with his films. How dare directors make movies more about action/comedy/fun than substance!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[Jon Lyrik]

Nice way to spin my words, guys.

[bigred760]

Tarantino's got style. That's something many directors cannot say. Whether he's paying homage to his favorite films/genres/whatever . . . his movies stand out more than others. He does it with his dialogue, violence, editing, and storytelling, among other things. Rodriguez isn't that different.

That's why I like these two directors, and why they're among my favorites. Who they cast, whether it's wives or girlfriends, as long as they continue to make stylized movies, I'll have no problem dishing out $10 to watch them.