Jodie Foster is a...

[Donnie_Darko]

...douche.

I'll keep this brief, but here goes...

Here's a blurb from IMDB...

Jodie Foster has ripped into Robert Rodriguez's Sin City because she found the film offensive. While many critics raved about the director's adaptation of Frank Miller's comic book, Foster admits it's one of the most recent films she switched off after renting it on DVD. Foster rants, "That was so painfully cartoonish I was offended." And she admits that she doesn't enjoy watching films based around abduction and child molestation - as the mother of two young boys. She tells newspaper USA Today, "I don't know how you enjoy or laugh about a child abduction and molestation. What part of that sentence is funny? I can't get beyond that. I don't know if everyone understands the impact of that movie's message."

Okay then... you didn't like the movie, and turned it off. But to rip apart the films "message", while promoting a fucking revenge flick? Come on you fucking hypocrite! From what I can gather from the trailer... uhm... someone takes her dog, so she starts killing? I don't know, but either way, it looks pretty lame.

And for the record... douche... it IS cartoonish, cause it IS based on a fucking comic book (yea yea, graphic novel, same fucking thing).

You just sit back, and reminisce about the days when you won an Oscar for a mediocre performance in a great movie... douche. :mad:

[Quigles]

Originally posted by Donnie_Darko
But to rip apart the films "message", while promoting a fucking revenge flick? Come on you fucking hypocrite! From what I can gather from the trailer... uhm... someone takes her dog, so she starts killing? I don't know, but either way, it looks pretty lame.
If you're going to rant about something, at least get your facts straight. Her lover is killed, and that's why she gets revenge.

And no, she's not a hypocrite. Her complaint was that SIN CITY had a poor message, and it joked about unpleasant topics. It may be one of my favorite movies of all time, but she's not saying anything that's inaccurate. I can understand why she didn't like it.

THE BRAVE ONE, on the other hand, is a drama with a meaningful message. Her complaints about SIN CITY don't apply to it.

I also love the irony that you said her new movie looked lame, yet at the same time devoted a rant to a celebrity because she disliked a different movie (one that she at least saw before insulting).

[psycheoutsteve]

Originally posted by Quigles
If you're going to rant about something, at least get your facts straight. Her lover is killed, and that's why she gets revenge.

And no, she's not a hypocrite. Her complaint was that SIN CITY had a poor message, and it joked about unpleasant topics. It may be one of my favorite movies of all time, but she's not saying anything that's inaccurate. I can understand why she didn't like it.

THE BRAVE ONE, on the other hand, is a drama with a meaningful message. Her complaints about SIN CITY don't apply to it.

I also love the irony that you said her new movie looked lame, yet at the same time devoted a rant to a celebrity because she disliked a different movie (one that she at least saw before insulting).

It doesn't change the fact that Jodie Foster is a prententious and arrogant bitch in almost all of her films, at least to me she gives off those characteristics. She has this, "I am higher than God" look every time I see her appear on camera, I can't stand it. Even in Silence of the Lambs she plays a character who is basically boasting some elite skill and tries to go up against the brilliant Hannibal Lecter, (who rightfully puts her in her place). I heard she was such a bitch she turned down the script for Hannibal simply because the movie didn't feature enough agent Starling parts...if that's true...wow...and what the fuck was she doing in Inside Man again? She probably fought her way onto the set of that movie because I didn't think her character pulled any weight in the film at all, although she was trying to make it like she was. They could've easily left her character on the cutting room floor and still had a great movie...or at least written the script without the part...Maybe Spike Lee sat down and said..."we have a good bank robber, Clive Owen, a good detective, Denzel Washington, and who can we get to play a really big bitch...OH! I KNOW! The biggest bitch in Hollywood, Jodie Fucking Foster! That will draw in the angry white middle-aged female crowd, right?!!!

When I saw the trailer for the brave one I laughed, I laughed so hard because i knew that it was only a matter of time before Foster found a role that would elevate her to "vigilante" status. Now she gets to dish out her own brand of justice on film...and maybe soon she'll get to be in a film where she kills movie directors she disagrees with, since she's an opinionated bitch!!!!! If this rant hadn't been started, I would've started it myself...I HATE Jodie Foster!!!!!!!!!!

[vesaker]

yeah i am getting tired of her chick in distress who finds to power to over come roles, she's like a younger Susan Surandan.

[I Am Legend]

Originally posted by psycheoutsteve
It doesn't change the fact that Jodie Foster is a prententious and arrogant bitch in almost all of her films, at least to me she gives off those characteristics. She has this, "I am higher than God" look every time I see her appear on camera, I can't stand it.

I think you just nailed the perfect definition of Jodie Foster for Wikipedia.

Bravo, fine chap!

[Mr.HyDe807]

Yeah, Molestation and Child Abuse was HIL-AR-IOUS in SIn city, thats why i gave it 9/10! BECUASE OF THE CHILD MOLESTATION!:rolleyes:

[Criminal Rock]

What the hell is Jodie talking about? Sin City puts child abduction and molestation in a very bad light, even pinning it against corruption and murder...

perhaps she should finish the movie before jumping to such inaccurate conclusions.

[Frank the Tank]

Jodie did make The Accused which is more disturbing and possibly offensive than Sin City. I didn't think Sin City joked about child molestation though, so I don't know where she got that from.

[JJFlamingo]

she's beautiful. but still, what a twat..:rolleyes:

[I Am Legend]

Never understood why people find her beautiful.

To me, she looks like a plain jane.

[gyro_44]

How dare Jodie Foster have an opinion! What a douche.

Seriously guys, who gives a flying fuck what Jodie Foster thinks about Sin City? There are better things to get worked up about.

I loved Sin City but it's definitely not to everyone's taste, that should be obvious.

[therealjohng]

Originally posted by I Am Legend
Never understood why people find her beautiful.

To me, she looks like a plain jane.


I find plain jane's beautiful.

[Tweek]

I LOVE Jodie Foster, but um, no Sin City didn't make light of abduction and child molestation... At least not how i interpreted it. Meh.

[I Am Legend]

Originally posted by therealjohng
I find plain jane's beautiful.

I'd just as soon kiss a wookie. :D

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Donnie_Darko
[B].
Okay then... you didn't like the movie, and turned it off. But to rip apart the films "message", while promoting a fucking revenge flick? Come on you fucking hypocrite! From what I can gather from the trailer... uhm... someone takes her dog, so she starts killing? I don't know, but either way, it looks pretty lame.
B]

Agreed 100%, she can't do a movie about murdering random people over a lover and then claim that Sin City was offensive for it's violence. Totally fucking hypocritical.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

I can understand her concern. Sin City didn't really have any hopeful or inspiring themes. However, if she's worried that her kids are going to be damaged by the film, then she should make sure they're not seeing it in the first place.

[Le_Big_Mac]

I just want to know when in the movie we're asked to enjoy child abduction and molestation. The only moments of comedy in the film are those that ask us to laugh at the exaggeration of the violence. There's nothing wrong with that. It's her fault if she's letting her kids watch it.

[EVILxxx]

Originally posted by gyro_44
How dare Jodie Foster have an opinion! What a douche.

Seriously guys, who gives a flying fuck what Jodie Foster thinks about Sin City? There are better things to get worked up about.

I loved Sin City but it's definitely not to everyone's taste, that should be obvious.

True but this is a rant board.

[AceD]

"Agreed 100%, she can't do a movie about murdering random people over a lover and then claim that Sin City was offensive for it's violence. Totally fucking hypocritical."

Not at all hypocritical. She has EVERY right to rip apart the film's message, since her movie's message is that murdering to avenge anything is NOT the right thing, or a good thing, or a legitimatly helpful thing. If she was starring in SHOOT 'EM UP, yeah, that's pretty dumb. But the movies have different messages and different tones, they are not the same thing.

"You just sit back, and reminisce about the days when you won an Oscar for a mediocre performance in a great movie... douche."

We'll assume that by 'an Oscar for a mediocre performance' that you meant 2 Oscars, 2 Golden Globes, 4 BAFTAs and 1 SAG, among others. It's not like she's lived off of one performance her whole career.

"It doesn't change the fact that Jodie Foster is a prententious and arrogant bitch in almost all of her films, at least to me she gives off those characteristics. She has this, "I am higher than God" look every time I see her appear on camera, I can't stand it. Even in Silence of the Lambs she plays a character who is basically boasting some elite skill and tries to go up against the brilliant Hannibal Lecter, (who rightfully puts her in her place)."

But...those are performances. What does that have to do with hating her in real life because she has an opinon?

[bigred760]

It's not like Sin City was promoting that stuff; if I'm not mistaken the kidnappers and molestors all got their comeuppance in the movie. That type of shit happens a lot and there are a lot of other movies that have that type of thing in them. Is she going to rip those a new also?

What I'm wondering now is what the hell was Jodie Foster doing talking about Sin City?

[Quigles]

Originally posted by bigred760
It's not like Sin City was promoting that stuff; if I'm not mistaken the kidnappers and molestors all got their comeuppance in the movie. That type of shit happens a lot and there are a lot of other movies that have that type of thing in them. Is she going to rip those a new also?

What I'm wondering now is what the hell was Jodie Foster doing talking about Sin City?
Your closing question is EXACTLY what makes me think this rant is so stupid. There's no context at all.

This bitching session is basically the equivalent of people on IMDB calling somebody an asshole, douche, etc. because he/she didn't like a movie that everyone else did.

[electriclite]

Originally posted by bigred760
It's not like Sin City was promoting that stuff; if I'm not mistaken the kidnappers and molestors all got their comeuppance in the movie. That type of shit happens a lot and there are a lot of other movies that have that type of thing in them. Is she going to rip those a new also?

What I'm wondering now is what the hell was Jodie Foster doing talking about Sin City?

She seems to be talking abit about parenting and kids and the like lately, especially related to Hollywood. For instance:

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/star_tracks/view.bg?articleid=1030249

"JODIE FOSTER blames child actress-turned-trainwreck Lindsay Lohan’s parents for the “Mean Girls” gal’s recent string of arrests and stints in rehab. Foster, who turned her years as a child actress into a successful silver-screen career, asks Gotham magazine, “Where is her mother? I mean, really, where is her mother?” Bloody good question. She adds that Hollywood’s view of young stars has changed considerably since she started in the buisness. Foster believes that kid actors are seen more as cash cows than talented artists these days. “When I was their age, there were no big 18-year-old stars,” she explains. “Now, we want the 17-year-olds so we can bleed them for all they’re worth and squeeze as much money as we possibly can out of them - and then their career will be over in something like three years.”

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by AceD


Not at all hypocritical. She has EVERY right to rip apart the film's message, since her movie's message is that murdering to avenge anything is NOT the right thing, or a good thing, or a legitimatly helpful thing. If she was starring in SHOOT 'EM UP, yeah, that's pretty dumb. But the movies have different messages and different tones, they are not the same thing.



I don't care what the film's messages are at all nor do I care whether it's against what the film portrays. My feelings still stand that it's hypocritical to bash any movie for violent content when your own has violent content in it's own right. So yes. She is hypocritical in my mind, regardless of whether you think so or not. :)

[Scarfather]

Sin City was a pretty terrible movie. It doesn't matter that its' themes weren't happy-go-lucky, they were still done in a stylized, unrealistic, and tongue in cheek way, and that was what she seemed to be offended about.

[ilovemovies]

I don't agree with her on Sin City, but that don't change the fact that she's one of my favorite actresses. I still love her. Her performance in Contact still remains one of the greatest performances delivered by ANYBODY of all time!

[arto_j]

Originally posted by LordSimen
I don't care what the film's messages are at all nor do I care whether it's against what the film portrays. My feelings still stand that it's hypocritical to bash any movie for violent content when your own has violent content in it's own right. So yes. She is hypocritical in my mind, regardless of whether you think so or not. :)

If you actually read the article these comments appeared in, it puts it into context a little better. Whether you agree with her views on Sin City doesn't really matter, but she's certainly not being hypocritical in comparing the treatment of violence the cartoonish Sin City and her own dark and serious film. She's not bashing a film for having violent content but rather the way the violence was presented.


Here's the whole interview, she gets to this issue near the end :
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-09-09-foster-cover-main_N.htm

You can see from the interview that she doens't really like violence of any kind (in movies or elsewhere), so I guess it's not that surprising she's not a fan of such a über-gory glorification of violence as Sin City.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by arto_j
You can see from the interview that she doens't really like violence of any kind (in movies or elsewhere), so I guess it's not that surprising she's not a fan of such a über-gory glorification of violence as Sin City.

well then all's i have to ask is if she already has these views on violence why the hell did she rent Sin City in the first place? I meen could really have not know what content was going to be?

[JJFlamingo]

Originally posted by electriclite
JODIE FOSTER blames child actress-turned-trainwreck Lindsay Lohan’s parents for the “Mean Girls” gal’s recent string of arrests and stints in rehab. Foster, who turned her years as a child actress into a successful silver-screen career, asks Gotham magazine, “Where is her mother? I mean, really, where is her mother?” Bloody good question. She adds that Hollywood’s view of young stars has changed considerably since she started in the buisness. Foster believes that kid actors are seen more as cash cows than talented artists these days. “When I was their age, there were no big 18-year-old stars,” she explains. “Now, we want the 17-year-olds so we can bleed them for all they’re worth and squeeze as much money as we possibly can out of them - and then their career will be over in something like three years.”

Now HERE I actually agree with her...:D

[RustyRazor]

She has a right to her opinion, as do we all.
Every now and then, a star will step forward like this and weight their opinion on a popular film (usually when the popularity isn't always flattering).
If she thought it was "So painfully cartoonish I was offended" and "I don't know if everyone understands the impact of that movie's message.", I'm hoping she realizes what she was going to be watching.
Is she at least familiar with Frank Miller's work?
Did anyone mention the violence to her before hand?
It's a "dark" comic book, not quite "Richie Rich" or "Little Lulu".

I defend her right to speak her opinion but I'd just like to know if she knew what it was she was about to partake in.

[chinton]

This is ridiculous so she doesn't like Sin City or how it portrays violence. Thats her opinion. Not everybody has to like Sin City. The way The Brave One treats violence and the way Sin City treats violence are two different things.

[EvilHenchman]

Originally posted by vesaker
yeah i am getting tired of her chick in distress who finds to power to over come roles,

Yeah. Chicks in distress should only be rescued by the strapping male heroes - the way God meant it to be. /sarcasm

Originally posted by vesaker
she's like a younger Susan Surandan.

How so?

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
I don't care what the film's messages are at all nor do I care whether it's against what the film portrays. My feelings still stand that it's hypocritical to bash any movie for violent content when your own has violent content in it's own right. So yes. She is hypocritical in my mind, regardless of whether you think so or not. :)
Luckily, this matter doesn't come down to opinion. It comes down to being right or wrong.

And as arto_j clearly pointed out, you're wrong.

End of discussion.

[Mr.HyDe807]

This all could've been avoided if Jodie jsut checked the reason why it was rated R. She then couldve went "oh, well, this is bad" and put it back on the blockbuster shelf.

Case closed:D

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by arto_j
If you actually read the article these comments appeared in, it puts it into context a little better. Whether you agree with her views on Sin City doesn't really matter, but she's certainly not being hypocritical in comparing the treatment of violence the cartoonish Sin City and her own dark and serious film. She's not bashing a film for having violent content but rather the way the violence was presented.


Here's the whole interview, she gets to this issue near the end :
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-09-09-foster-cover-main_N.htm

You can see from the interview that she doens't really like violence of any kind (in movies or elsewhere), so I guess it's not that surprising she's not a fan of such a über-gory glorification of violence as Sin City.

What part of "I don't care," do you not understand? I seriously DON'T give a shit about the context and I don't give a shit about whether it's cartoony violence or glorification she's fighting against. SHE'S STILL A HYPOCRITICAL BITCH IN MY OPINION. So get the fuck over it. You too Quigles. This is a matter of fucking opinion, not right or wrong. Get over it.

[vesaker]

Originally posted by EvilHenchman
Yeah. Chicks in distress should only be rescued by the strapping male heroes - the way God meant it to be. /sarcasm

Well why not? i didn't say to have all her roles have to be like that where as it seems alot of her roles are the opposite with her in distress and find ing the will/power to overcome. Just saying some variety might be good for her

Originally posted by EvilHenchman
How so?

Just that they seem to take alot of the same type of roles from my memory, which probably isn't that good since i watch less Surandan movies then i do Foster.

and yeah she was pretty good in Contact which oddly enough was a depature from her usual roles. But Contact had James Woods too so i dunno.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

She's talking about the way violence is cartoonishly glamorized. Obviously, her stance on violence in movies is that it's ok as long as it's at least attempting to make a statement against it. People can get desensitized to this sort of thing, so it's perfectly logical to be against. I'm personally part of the "if you don't like it then don't watch it" crowd, but that's just me.

[Scarfather]

Originally posted by LordSimen
What part of "I don't care," do you not understand? I seriously DON'T give a shit about the context and I don't give a shit about whether it's cartoony violence or glorification she's fighting against. SHE'S STILL A HYPOCRITICAL BITCH IN MY OPINION. So get the fuck over it. You too Quigles. This is a matter of fucking opinion, not right or wrong. Get over it.

I shudder when I try to visualize your mind personified.

[darchangel]

Originally posted by LordSimen
What part of "I don't care," do you not understand? I seriously DON'T give a shit about the context and I don't give a shit about whether it's cartoony violence or glorification she's fighting against. SHE'S STILL A HYPOCRITICAL BITCH IN MY OPINION. So get the fuck over it. You too Quigles. This is a matter of fucking opinion, not right or wrong. Get over it.


Wait...you don't care about the context?

Well in that case, if I wrote a sentence that said, "Some people say JoBlo is a douchebag, but I think he rules." and you simply took the "JoBlo is a douchebag" part of my sentence and quoted me, calling me a bitch, is that fair to me?


Disclaimer: Naturally, I don't know anyone who thinks Jo is a douche, nor do I...I was just making a point. ;)

[echo_bravo]

Originally posted by Tai Mai Jew
What the hell is Jodie talking about? Sin City puts child abduction and molestation in a very bad light, even pinning it against corruption and murder...

perhaps she should finish the movie before jumping to such inaccurate conclusions.

Yeah, thats what I was thinking too.

As far as an actress goes, I think Jodie is one of the best out there.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by darchangel
Wait...you don't care about the context?

Well in that case, if I wrote a sentence that said, "Some people say JoBlo is a douchebag, but I think he rules." and you simply took the "JoBlo is a douchebag" part of my sentence and quoted me, calling me a bitch, is that fair to me?


Disclaimer: Naturally, I don't know anyone who thinks Jo is a douche, nor do I...I was just making a point. ;)

Completley different situation. She IS bashing the violence in movies like Sin City, and I find her a hypocrit for that. You ARE NOT calling JOblo a douche when you say that sentence. See the difference? Good.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
What part of "I don't care," do you not understand? I seriously DON'T give a shit about the context and I don't give a shit about whether it's cartoony violence or glorification she's fighting against. SHE'S STILL A HYPOCRITICAL BITCH IN MY OPINION. So get the fuck over it. You too Quigles. This is a matter of fucking opinion, not right or wrong. Get over it.
Oh LordSimen, you amuse me so.

Somebody is either hypocritical or they're not. You can have an opinion on it, but in the end, that opinion will be right or wrong.

And in this particular case, NOTHING she said was hypocritical. She never condemned SIN CITY for simply portraying violence. She condemned it for HOW the violence was portrayed.

End. Of. Discussion.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Quigles
Oh LordSimen, you amuse me so.

Somebody is either hypocritical or they're not. You can have an opinion on it, but in the end, that opinion will be right or wrong.

And in this particular case, NOTHING she said was hypocritical. She never condemned SIN CITY for simply portraying violence. She condemned it for HOW the violence was portrayed.

End. Of. Discussion.

Nope. There is no set book that states who is hypocritical and who is not. Who you find hypocritical for whatever reason is up to you and you alone. There is no right or wrong answer.

I find her hypocritical for bashing a movie for it's violent content because she herself is in a movie with violent content. This is why I find her hypocritical. You have your own reasons for why she's not, stop acting as if your opinion is the only opinion in the fucking world and get over yourself. Mmkay? I'm not going to debate with you over my opinion and I'm not going to argue further.

My opinion is my opinion and if you don't like it you can go cry about it to someone else.

[darchangel]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Completley different situation. She IS bashing the violence in movies like Sin City, and I find her a hypocrit for that. You ARE NOT calling JOblo a douche when you say that sentence. See the difference? Good.

In her interview, two or three sentences before she says she didn't like the messages of Natural Born Killers and Sin City, she says:

"Foster, 44, says she isn't rationalizing her own violent Hollywood work. If anything, she considers herself squeamish with brutality "that doesn't say something, that doesn't have a message."

She's not saying it's okay for her to do something but not okay for someone else, which is what you're saying that she's doing, right?

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by darchangel
In her interview, two or three sentences before she says she didn't like the messages of Natural Born Killers and Sin City, she says:

"Foster, 44, says she isn't rationalizing her own violent Hollywood work. If anything, she considers herself squeamish with brutality "that doesn't say something, that doesn't have a message."

She's not saying it's okay for her to do something but not okay for someone else, which is what you're saying that she's doing, right?

I already stated in my last post that I'm not going to argue with you people over my opinion and I'm not here to debate my opinion with you. I posted my opinion and if you don't like that, cry about it. Kay?

[darchangel]

Originally posted by LordSimen
I already stated in my last post that I'm not going to argue with you people over my opinion and I'm not here to debate my opinion with you. I posted my opinion and if you don't like that, cry about it. Kay?

Oh, I'm definitely not going to cry about it.

And seriously, why all the meanness? I'm just asking you a question, no need to get all hateful.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by darchangel
Oh, I'm definitely not going to cry about it.

And seriously, why all the meanness? I'm just asking you a question, no need to get all hateful.

I apologize, I shouldn't have been mean to you. I'm not angry at you I'm more angry at someone else. Again, I apologize.

[Scarfather]

Oy vey.

Someone needs reality lessons.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Scarfather
Oy vey.

Someone needs reality lessons.

I agree. You and Quigles definitely do.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Nope. There is no set book that states who is hypocritical and who is not. Who you find hypocritical for whatever reason is up to you and you alone. There is no right or wrong answer.
Somebody is either a hypocrite or they aren't. It isn't down to you or me to decide.

Based on the comments she made, calling her a hypocrite is factually wrong. That's not opinion; it's fact.

I find her hypocritical for bashing a movie for it's violent content because she herself is in a movie with violent content. This is why I find her hypocritical. You have your own reasons for why she's not, stop acting as if your opinion is the only opinion in the fucking world and get over yourself.
Your reason for finding her hypocritical is inaccurate. You're taking facts that are wrong, and forming an opinion off them. That's flawed logic.

My opinion is my opinion and if you don't like it you can go cry about it to someone else.
If you don't want people questioning your opinion, maybe you shouldn't be posting on a message board.

I'm more angry at someone else.
:D

[Brando @$$ Fat]

This thread is a little over the top for me. This is probably the closest anyone's painted the barn without getting their hands red.

[psycheoutsteve]

Originally posted by Quigles
Your closing question is EXACTLY what makes me think this rant is so stupid. There's no context at all.

This bitching session is basically the equivalent of people on IMDB calling somebody an asshole, douche, etc. because he/she didn't like a movie that everyone else did.

I hate her for different reasons, I always have. If this rant hadn't been started then i would've started my own soon enough, but not with the Sin City comment as the focus. I would just rant about how she is a bitch in general, which is where I think the focus of this thread should be aimed. I can't very well attack her for having an opinion, (I think it's a stupid one but I it is an opinion nonetheless). I will attack her on/off screen persona though, because I believe they both bleed into each other in the case of Foster. She's an arrogant and pretentious bitch and this attitude is what I see in her on camera in every movie she's done and off camera with every interview she's ever done. End story.

[KcMsterpce]

I can understand where she's coming from with this opinion.

She didn't like the movie because it was more over the top than she prefers. Not just with the child molestation bit (and there is humor attached to it, even if the humor is the mutilation of said molester), but she seemed to also not like the tone of the movie in other areas as well. Perhaps abuse to children just bothers her in any scenario, thus making her enjoy Sin City even less.

I don't see her as a bitch for this, I see her as stating her opinion.
I don't agree, I love that fucking movie, but she's entitled to her own thoughts on it as well.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Quigles
Somebody is either a hypocrite or they aren't. It isn't down to you or me to decide.

Based on the comments she made, calling her a hypocrite is factually wrong. That's not opinion; it's fact.


Your reason for finding her hypocritical is inaccurate. You're taking facts that are wrong, and forming an opinion off them. That's flawed logic.


If you don't want people questioning your opinion, maybe you shouldn't be posting on a message board.


:D

Your opinion is not that of a gods. I will not argue my opinion vs. yours. Get over yourself, man.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
Your opinion is not that of a gods. I will not argue my opinion vs. yours. Get over yourself, man.
Maybe it's you who should get over yourself. You're arguing an opinion against fact. My opinion isn't even part of the equation right now.

[EvilHenchman]

Originally posted by vesaker
i didn't say to have all her roles have to be like that where as it seems alot of her roles are the opposite with her in distress and find ing the will/power to overcome. Just saying some variety might be good for her

Well, when you put it that way, it sounds a little better. Maybe she could take on a "lighter" role for a change of pace, like a turn in a Wes Anderson movie or something.

As for the similarity between roles played by Foster and Sarandon, I'm not personally feeling it. I guess they both tend to gravitate towards strong, flawed characters, but that shouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Quigles
Maybe it's you who should get over yourself. You're arguing an opinion against fact. My opinion isn't even part of the equation right now.

You are arguing your opinion as fact. That doesn't make it fact, it's still merely an opinion. Thus, you are the one full of yourself.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
You are arguing your opinion as fact. That doesn't make it fact, it's still merely an opinion. Thus, you are the one full of yourself.
It's not an opinion, let alone my opinion.

HERE'S an opinion: this is a stupid rant.

And here's a FACT: calling Jodie Foster a hypocrite for dismissing SIN CITY due to its violence is inaccurate, since she never dismissed it for its violence, but rather the way that violence was portrayed.

If she had said she hated SIN CITY because of just the violence in general, THEN you could argue she was a hypocrite.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Quigles
It's not an opinion, let alone my opinion.

HERE'S an opinion: this is a stupid rant.

And here's a FACT: calling Jodie Foster a hypocrite for dismissing SIN CITY due to its violence is inaccurate, since she never dismissed it for its violence, but rather the way that violence was portrayed.

If she had said she hated SIN CITY because of just the violence in general, THEN you could argue she was a hypocrite.

No, that is your OPINION that she is not a hypocrite. I personalyl believe she is, because I don't care about her reasoning for dismissing the violence for Sin City, I find anyone who dismisses violence in a movie for any reason and then stars in a violent movie to be hypocritical. It's an opinion. Just like yours.

GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF, QUIGLES.

[echo_bravo]

LordSimen could argue that 2 + 2 = 5... he's that good.:D

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
No, that is your OPINION that she is not a hypocrite. I personalyl believe she is, because I don't care about her reasoning for dismissing the violence for Sin City, I find anyone who dismisses violence in a movie for any reason and then stars in a violent movie to be hypocritical. It's an opinion. Just like yours.

GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF, QUIGLES.
She didn't dismiss the violence in SIN CITY. She dismissed the movie's lack of moral ground, and how it PORTRAYED the violence.

YOU CAN'T CALL SOMEBODY A HYPOCRITE FOR SOMETHING THEY NEVER SAID.

Or I guess you can, but you'll just end up looking like a tool.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Quigles
She didn't dismiss the violence in SIN CITY. She dismissed the movie's lack of moral ground, and how it PORTRAYED the violence.

YOU CAN'T CALL SOMEBODY A HYPOCRITE FOR SOMETHING THEY NEVER SAID.

Or I guess you can, but you'll just end up looking like a tool.

I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE MY OPINION WITH YOU. GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF, YOUR OPINION IS NOT FINAL NOR SHOULD EVERYONE CONFORM TO WHAT LORD QUIGLES SAYS IS RIGHT AND WRONG. YOU ARE NOT THE FACT MAKER AND YOU ARE NOT GOD.

You are just a man, like me, with an opinion on someone. If you disagree with my opinion, that's fine. But niether of us are right or wrong in this case. It's just an opinion. How you can not understand this simple logic is beyond me.

[Scarfather]

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[Scarfather]

Originally posted by LordSimen
How you can not understand this simple logic is beyond me.

lol, by the way.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE MY OPINION WITH YOU.
So what exactly have you been doing?

GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF, YOUR OPINION IS NOT FINAL NOR SHOULD EVERYONE CONFORM TO WHAT LORD QUIGLES SAYS IS RIGHT AND WRONG. YOU ARE NOT THE FACT MAKER AND YOU ARE NOT GOD.

You are just a man, like me, with an opinion on someone. If you disagree with my opinion, that's fine. But niether of us are right or wrong in this case. It's just an opinion.
You're the one with the opinion, not me. I'm merely the one presenting the facts of the matter.

And I may be a man, but I am most definitely not like you. I actually use logic and reason.

How you can not understand this simple logic is beyond me.
Irony's a bitch.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Quigles
So what exactly have you been doing?


Telling you that you're presenting your opinions as facts, which is wrong.

Originally posted by Quigles
You're the one with the opinion, not me. I'm merely the one presenting the facts of the matter.

No. Disagree with me that she's a hypocrite. That's your opinion. Just like I have my opinion that she is. It's an opinion. Not a fact. Get over yourself for the love of god.

Originally posted by Quigles
And I may be a man, but I am most definitely not like you. I actually use logic and reason.

Irony's a bitch.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by LordSimen
No. Disagree with me that she's a hypocrite. That's your opinion. Just like I have my opinion that she is. It's an opinion. Not a fact. Get over yourself for the love of god.
Somebody else mentioned earlier that you could argue 2 + 2 = 5. That example perfectly explains what you're doing.

If you said 2 + 2 equaling 5 was your opinion, and I said your opinion was wrong, who would be right?

Would it be my OPINION that it didn't equal 5? No, it would be a fact.

Calling somebody a hypocrite for SOMETHING THEY NEVER SAID is WRONG. And that, too, is a fact.

Irony's a bitch.
Oh I see what you did there.

[AceD]

"Calling somebody a hypocrite for SOMETHING THEY NEVER SAID is WRONG. And that, too, is a fact."

Bingo.

Who you find hypocritical for whatever reason is up to you and you alone. There is no right or wrong answer

Okay. By that logic, any and all correct definitions mean nothing. I can say that the ice in my freezer is hot, and I will be right, and I can not be questioned, because I can call it hot for "whatever reason" I want, and that is reason "is up to [me] and [me] alone."

Please. OF COURSE there is a right and wrong answer when we are talking about the definiton of the word. If you really think you can just decide who is hypocritical or not for whatever reason you want, than I can just start calling you a racist because your name is Simen. You are a racist, and I can have and spread that opinion because it's mine and I have it for my reasons.

Please! Of course I couldn't do that, because I have no valid reason to. I can choose to not like you, but I can't call you things that you are not and show no evidence of (just like you can hate Jodie Foster all you want).

You say "there is no right or wrong answer," but indeed there is. It's called a definition. To be hypocrite means to pretend to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that you do not actually possess, for example, a person whose actions belie their stated beliefs is a hypocrite. Okay? That's the correct definition according to dictionary.com.

Jodie Foster doesn't like violence in movies portrayed that way, for whatever reason she chooses (that's an opinon). Essentially, she doesn't seem to like it glorified/stylized/whatever. She does not in any way say she has a problem with violence as a movie element. She prefers it to have meaning and not be glorified at all if it's going to be used, and that's how she feels right now. They are two seperate things, two seperate beliefs, and no matter how you stretch the definition of 'hypocrite,' that's not what she is (at least in this instance). I'll give you an example:


No, that is your OPINION that she is not a hypocrite. I personalyl believe she is, because I don't care about her reasoning for dismissing the violence for Sin City, I find anyone who dismisses violence in a movie for any reason and then stars in a violent movie to be hypocritical. It's an opinion. Just like yours.

Let's change some subjects up here. Simen, we know you like horror movies, so let's try this: What if some horror film comes out, and it just sucks, terrible on all counts, etc, and you say you hated it, and you reference how you liked DEVIL'S REJECTS so much better. Then I say you are hypocrite because

"I find anyone who dismisses [a horror movie] for any reasons and then [likes] a [different horror movie] to be hypocritical."

That's the exact same logic you are using. Or say X actor bashes a horror movie than stars in a another one, would you say

"I find anyone who dismisses [a horror movie] for any reason and then stars in a [horror] movie to be hypocritical."

No, no, no, you couldn't do that. And there is no defense to this, because you said "for any reason." I mean, good grief, why not say

"I find anyone who dismisses [a movie with bad acting] for any reason and then [stars in/praises] a movie [that contains acting of any kind] to be hypocritical."

:rolleyes:

Okay. Hopefully I've made my point.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

We should have a forum dedicated to who's right and who's wrong. Period. Nobody would need to post here anymore. Although, it doesn't matter, because everything I say is right, making all other opinions useless.

[ilovemovies]

Originally posted by Brando @$$ Fat
She's talking about the way violence is cartoonishly glamorized. Obviously, her stance on violence in movies is that it's ok as long as it's at least attempting to make a statement against it. People can get desensitized to this sort of thing, so it's perfectly logical to be against. I'm personally part of the "if you don't like it then don't watch it" crowd, but that's just me.

Well I wouldn't say that the violence in Panic Room or Flightplan is making a statement against it.

[Quigles]

Originally posted by ilovemovies
Well I wouldn't say that the violence in Panic Room or Flightplan is making a statement against it.
Neither of those movies promote anything positive about violence.

Meanwhile, SIN CITY spends its entire runtime reveling in violence. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with that, but if she does, so be it. She has a right to her opinion.

[ilovemovies]

I don't get how Sin City revels in it's violence. I mean the characters all live in a very violent world.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by Quigles
Somebody else mentioned earlier that you could argue 2 + 2 = 5. That example perfectly explains what you're doing.

If you said 2 + 2 equaling 5 was your opinion, and I said your opinion was wrong, who would be right?

Would it be my OPINION that it didn't equal 5? No, it would be a fact.

Calling somebody a hypocrite for SOMETHING THEY NEVER SAID is WRONG. And that, too, is a fact.


Oh I see what you did there.

Enjoy arguing with yourself, my friend. because I'm done arguing with you and your butt buddies. I stated my opinion and if you don't like it go cry to someone else. I don't care. :) I'm done with you and your holier than thou god complex.

[AceD]

Enjoy arguing with yourself, my friend. because I'm done arguing with you and your butt buddies. I stated my opinion and if you don't like it go cry to someone else. I don't care. I'm done with you and your holier than thou god complex.

First of all, don't call people names, that doesn't help anything.

I'd like to hear how my explanation above sounded to you. I think (and I could be wrong) that I proved that your saying that she's a hypocrite is totally unfounded.

And no one needs me to defend them, but I don't think you need to take every disagreement as a personal attack. There are better ways to handle and display and give your opinion than screaming and name calling.

[Winston Wolfe]

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