How do you currently view the state of the horror film industry today ?

[Sammo]

With all the extremely lazy horror film remakes being regularly made for a quick buck, how do currently view the state of the horror film industry and if you've read any good articles online appraising (either positively, negatively, or a bit of both) the current state of the horror film industry, please offer a link.

If there's things you like / dislike about the current state of the horror film industry, please elaborate on what screen writers, directors working in horror today, you regard as the best, most interesting talents and which ones you regard as the worst
and / or most overrated hack horror screenwriters and hack horror genre directors working in horror movies today.

[JJFlamingo]

dead

[Cronos]

It's definitely not in a very good state at the moment mainly down to all the fucking remakes. The best horror director currently working is Neil Marshall, Alexandre Aja is also very promising. The worst is easily Eli Roth.

[yorrick brown]

thank god for the french,british and asians.

americans are more then happy to make remakes and they will as long as they keep making money.

if it aint broke don`t fix it.

[LordSimen]

Thank god for the Splat pack and the Asian cinema, let me tell you. Those two have single handedly saved the horror genre for me in the recent years.

Guys like Eli Roth, Neil Marshell, Alexandre Aja, Rob Zombie and guys like Takashi Miike, to use one asian example (there are hundreds) pretty much make the best horror movies these days in my opinion.


What I personally DON'T like about the current horror industry is that there are too many studios trying to make "safe," politically correct horror movies rather then allowing the directors to make their work the way they want it.

I also don't like (and even the guys I mentioned are guilty of this) is that many of these great and talented directers get swooped up in the remake craze. Would rather see their original work. Hopefully Zombie and Marshell can work on original things now that they've done their remake.

Now I like many remakes and am not against them, I just like these guy's original stuff so much I'd rather see it than their version of another director's work.

[athf1980]

horror movie scene right now is on life support.

[zombievictim]

I think horror is in a bit of a slump. I mean Halloween and Hostel II were absolutely godawful. I mean, for every Behind the Mask: The Rise of Leslie Vernon, we get three "Halloweens". And it's not going to stop any time soon. We still have people that go to see these shit movies (look at the weekend opening for Halloween to see what I'm talking about). I was very hopeful once Hostel II did so poorly but with Halloweens success, that just means more will follow. And that makes this genre lover a very, VERY sad camper...

[Le_Big_Mac]

Fallen in a puddle of shit and stomped on.

Pretty much everything is a remake, a sequel, or a psuedo-snuff movie that thinks people repeatedly screaming and realistic amounts of blood are actually scary or entertaining. I wish the wall between horror and all other films wasn't so big so more actually talented filmmakers could try their hand at this.

[Frank the Tank]

Yeah, Horror is in a slump right now. Even some of my favorites like Hatchet, High Tension, The Descent, and Slither borrow heavily from the horror films of the past. We need a truly original film to come around and kick the genre on it's ass.

[BugMuffins]

where the heck were all you people when I was attempting to point this out in my R (as in "are", not R rated) horror movies going down the tubes thread? This is what I was saying. There is not much imagination to be found in these shit splatter films. They SUCK, are monotonous and have the imagination of an 80 year old oat meal sucker. We need fresh ideas, not just more thoughtless lame ass splatter.

now, that being said. This is an insight I had moments ago. The whole idea of remakes is nothing new. Sometimes, if we are not careful, we miss the fact that 80% of the great horror movies in the last 70 years were "remakes". Remakes of great stories previously written that is.

What we need are high budget translations of globally originated horror. Excellent stories made into GOOD movies. Unfortunately there will NEVER be enough Ken Russel's out there that make original killer horror films so we need talented writers.

What makes me sick is when GREAT stories by people like H.P.Lovecraft get butchered by these lame ass hack director wannabes. They RUIN great possibilities and insult even greater stories.

I will say this, there are MANY remakes that are MUCH better than the original movies. But, I know what is being said here.

WE NEED FRESH IDEAS & IMAGINATION!!!

[martyds761]

Originally posted by JJFlamingo
dead There is nothing, NOTHING scary in today's portreyal of horror. It's all just gore..... Pretty boring and nothing to keep me interested. Very sad schmoe here.....

[BugMuffins]

Originally posted by martyds761
There is nothing, NOTHING scary in today's portreyal of horror. It's all just gore..... Pretty boring and nothing to keep me interested. Very sad schmoe here.....


fellow schmoe, I feel your pain, but it's not ALL that bad. I mean there are dozens of excellent Horror films that have come out over the last 10 years that are quite good. It's just that the .10 cent Americana Shock meets Euro Trash fest rebirth is outta frigging control.

If I get fooled by just one more piece of crap movie like Borderline Cult with it's 10 dollar clam shell cover and it's 10 cent movie inners, they just may have to bring the old barf bag back!:mad:

people should have to be paid to watch movie garbage like that.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Horror has always beeth the same. The 'classics' we remember now were one among a hundred others who were as lame as the 'lame' ones we have today.

In 30 years, it's going to be the same fucking thing. Next generation of schmoes discuss:

"Oh man, today's horror sucks; I remember back in my day, when we saw the classics like "28 Weeks Later" and "The Descent" in theatres."

There was an equal amount of shitty movies in the 70's and 80's people, only they were so shitty we, gasp, don't remember them. If in a whole decade we only had a handful of great movies ("Halloween", "The Exorcist", "The Omen", "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" are some of a few), then man, that decade also sucked.

Remakes are just a trend of lameness, and horror has always seen these trends of lameness in other shapes or forms. We saw endless lame slashers, endless lame and pointless sequels (Freddy, Jason, Michael, anyone?), etc, etc.

Scary? Please, people change. I've never seen today's youth get actually scared (and I mean scared, not "I need to think I'm getting scared so I can say Halloween is scary and be one of the guys"-scared) during one of those ever-so-scary 'classics' (with the exception of "The Exorcist", which is pretty damn good) that scared the shit out of that generation. And I have seen today's youth getting scared in "The Ring", "The Eye", "28 Weeks Later" among others.

And I'm sure it's because today's youth sucks, gramps.

[LordSimen]

Originally posted by X-Nightcrawler
Horror has always beeth the same. The 'classics' we remember now were one among a hundred others who were as lame as the 'lame' ones we have today.

In 30 years, it's going to be the same fucking thing. Next generation of schmoes discuss:

"Oh man, today's horror sucks; I remember back in my day, when we saw the classics like "28 Weeks Later" and "The Descent" in theatres."

There was an equal amount of shitty movies in the 70's and 80's people, only they were so shitty we, gasp, don't remember them. If in a whole decade we only had a handful of great movies ("Halloween", "The Exorcist", "The Omen", "The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" are some of a few), then man, that decade also sucked.

Remakes are just a trend of lameness, and horror has always seen these trends of lameness in other shapes or forms. We saw endless lame slashers, endless lame and pointless sequels (Freddy, Jason, Michael, anyone?), etc, etc.

Scary? Please, people change. I've never seen today's youth get actually scared (and I mean scared, not "I need to think I'm getting scared so I can say Halloween is scary and be one of the guys"-scared) during one of those ever-so-scary 'classics' (with the exception of "The Exorcist", which is pretty damn good) that scared the shit out of that generation. And I have seen today's youth getting scared in "The Ring", "The Eye", "28 Weeks Later" among others.

And I'm sure it's because today's youth sucks, gramps.

I agree with 90% of what you just posted. Awesome!

[BugMuffins]

Please don't think I am saying there are not many GREAT Horror films that have come out in the last 10 years. I will be the first to proclaim there are.

I have not read anywhere within this thread where anyone said that movies pre a certain time line are good and movies post a certain time line are bad.

I sincerely hope that there is no one that REALLY feels this way and if you do, GAME OVER.

Personally, I just hate cheap lame slasher splatter crap labeled as Horror.

I think directors like Ulli Lommel turn out mostly pathetic efforts and their movies color the industry a bleak shade of puke. Instead of making 10 trash flicks, why don't they save their money and make one decent flick?

This has ZERO to do with anyone's age or generations or whatever other notion that might quickly come to mind.

There will ALWAYS be good and bad Horror movies, just as there will be with respect to any movie genre.

With respect to those that may look back and blindly say this or that without being able to discern the good, the bad and the truly lame, those people's opinions aren't worth the spit it would take to fill a five gallon bucket, sonny! :p

[vesaker]

Originally posted by martyds761
There is nothing, NOTHING scary in today's portreyal of horror. It's all just gore..... Pretty boring and nothing to keep me interested. Very sad schmoe here.....

Here's to hoping 30 Days of Night is some scary shit :D

[martyds761]

The one thing I haven't done is demand my money back for the pos rentals I have watched lately.

I catch myself renting more action and mystery now. Maybe I'm just getting older or it's my job... But nothing is scaring me.

[yorrick brown]

horror movies in american are dead.the final nail was put in with this news

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thank god the french,asian and brits still have the brains to come up with new ideas.

[SkottSkywalker]

It seems like there's more and more horror movies being put out and more frequently. I don't know if that hurts or helps the genre.

I don't care for the current PG-13 horror craze and the current torture horror craze.

[weezercoke]

I think Horror is like it has always been ... A few great movies, some good ones and the rest suck.

[Cronos]

Originally posted by yorrick brown
thank god the french,asian and brits still have the brains to come up with new ideas.
Amen to that!

[BugMuffins]

Originally posted by weezercoke
I think Horror is like it has always been ... A few great movies, some good ones and the rest suck.

The more I think about it, the more truth this holds. I pretty much agree completely.

[wolfie]

I agree that there has always been a select few great horror films surrounded by a load of crap. I think maybe it just seems like there are more lousy horror movies now because there are so many movies out there. It seems like studios just get an outline of a story and run with it just to make money without any regard for substance or quality. I wonder if it is getting harder for writers to come up with original ideas because there are so many movies out there.

I also agree that remakes are often terrible, however,
remakes can be good if they are more like a reinvention or reinterpretation of a story.If the director takes a different approach or adds relevant back story or fleshes out the characters in some way a remake can actually be better than the original. If the film is just a frame by frame remake it is kind of pointless. If the story is solid, it can hold up to a remake.

It also seems to me that so many movies rely on gore and graphic violence to scare. If a movie gets too gory I become numb and bored. Also when you think the movie has ended there is that twist that leaves it open for a sequel. I hate that. I'd just rather have the story have a definite conclusion. That is why I often go for independent or foreign horror films.

[BugMuffins]

I wonder if it is getting harder for writers to come up with original ideas because there are so many movies out there.

Absolutely not. Incidentally, I agree with pretty much every statement you made, but in reference to this particular curiosity, the answer is a flat out and resounding NO.

The truth is the fact that most people, with respect to directors specifically, are egotistic to the point of complete and total self absorption. They deem themselves "visionaries" when in reality they are incompetent plagiarist. They provide us with el cheapo perfect text book examples of "perfect & absolute power corrupts perfectly & absolutely" to the point of what can only be defined as schlock.

When we look at the classics, both contemporary and of times past, most often we find that there is a specific writer and there is a specific director to be credited. This is NOT to say that the two cannot be one and in fact many times are. It's just that in most cases, if you disregard all that is hype with a little mental objective cross referencing, it's easy to size up the potential of those two combinations. Either the two exist in and of an equal potential resulting in a quality, well made and presented effort. The alternative you get is typically eccentric poorly produced, trash. IMO, a healthy orbit has to be maintained between the rational and abstract, the logical and the creative. This being in order to preserve the continuity required to produce real excellence in any film format.

Respect and reverence is something alien to the schlock movie director. It's his way or no way. They turn out 15 movies over the span of 5 years. When is the last time you saw a truly appreciable, time tested effort arise from someone with this type of rushed low budget output? It can happen, but it's extremely RARE. Said output is continually a matter of artistic speculation and interpretation more so than any solid definition could or does hold.


I also agree that remakes are often terrible, however,remakes can be good if they are more like a reinvention or reinterpretation of a story.If the director takes a different approach or adds relevant back story or fleshes out the characters in some way a remake can actually be better than the original. If the film is just a frame by frame remake it is kind of pointless. If the story is solid, it can hold up to a remake.

It also seems to me that so many movies rely on gore and graphic violence to scare. If a movie gets too gory I become numb and bored. Also when you think the movie has ended there is that twist that leaves it open for a sequel. I hate that. I'd just rather have the story have a definite conclusion. That is why I often go for independent or foreign horror films.

Again I agree. Endings that just beg you to "come on back y'all" are lame. Stories IMO can either leave room for a sequel or not as long as it's done with that ever absent, yet completely essential tone of RESPECT. Respect for the audience is just as important as a director or writer's respect for one another.

Two of the remakes & sequels (at least one anyway) that I have really enjoyed have been the Texas Chainsaw stuff as well as The Hills Have Eyes (mostly the first, the sequel was a little weak). I directly attribute this to both the film's directors having the respect & honor it takes to work directly with & consult Tobe Hooper & Wes Craven respectively as they made the films.

[LordSimen]

Respect and reverence is something alien to the schlock movie director. It's his way or no way. They turn out 15 movies over the span of 5 years. When is the last time you saw a truly appreciable, time tested effort arise from someone with this type of rushed low budget output?

Takashi Miike.

[BugMuffins]

Takashi Miike.
Definitely worth checking out. I have not as of yet but was intrigued enough to do a little research. (thanks) Japanese spegehtti...Yum! (maybe)

Just watched The House of Usher this evening. Proof that budget alone cannot take the "heart" out of a movie. If you can get buy the absence of film, there is most certainly a very twisted tale contained here in.

Besides, Izabella Miko is just so HOT!!!!!!!!!!!

[sarah1980]

horror movie scene right now is on life support.

so agreed...

[EVILxxx]

Right now the genre is in a bad way but i don't think that will last much longer. The torture genre and Japanese remake genre have hit their paek and are on the decline. The Saw films are making less money and the second Hostile tanked at the B.O. Not that that kind of film doesn't have a place in horror because they definitely do, but the cashing in on that "shock" those films produce is wearing off. I think the studios are starting to get wise to the fact that horror films that aren't any good just aren't going to make the money that they once did. The fans of the genre are the ones producing the word-of-mouth that gives movies like The Descent and Haute Tension successful runs and we are also the ones who sink films like the Black Christmas remake and The Hills Have Eyes 2.

[BugMuffins]

Right now the genre is in a bad way but i don't think that will last much longer. The torture genre and Japanese remake genre have hit their paek and are on the decline. The Saw films are making less money and the second Hostile tanked at the B.O. Not that that kind of film doesn't have a place in horror because they definitely do, but the cashing in on that "shock" those films produce is wearing off. I think the studios are starting to get wise to the fact that horror films that aren't any good just aren't going to make the money that they once did. The fans of the genre are the ones producing the word-of-mouth that gives movies like The Descent and Haute Tension successful runs and we are also the ones who sink films like the Black Christmas remake and The Hills Have Eyes 2.

Optimistically speaking within the context of your post, I HOPE you are right. Thing is, I am not sure that things are really any different right now than at the many low, valley esque points of times past. Cyclically speaking, I believe we (the horror purists) will experience ongoing artistic peaks as we have many times in the past. Shock is no stranger to the big film picture and just as in times past it's pebble like pseudo weight of sensationalism makes a temporary ripple like distortion on the surface of what is real Horror's best and most potential ally, the written imagination.

I really enjoyed your intelligent commercial & market driven summation of the matter. You are so right about the potential effect of mass communication like Internet forums. This communication can provide a much needed restorative equilibrium that cures the vertigo of commercial hype driven momentum.

[MidnightAngel]

Right now the horror industry is still stuck in shit thanks to unnecesary remakes from past films and foreign movies. The best horror movies are coming from other parts of the world like Spain, Japan, Korea, England and Australia to name some. And my two cents; you want more horror, read and support horror novels from authors like Stephen King Dean Koontz, Brian Keene, Robert Mccammon and read classic horror novels from H.P. Lovecraft and Richard Matheson.

[XCoRyX]

Its in an awful state. We've always had our few good flicks to stand-out in the worst of times,so yeah,we've had our good ones. But the passion and love and hype I once had for horror movies has just lowered insanely. I hardly check on this site as much in the past 2-3 weeks. I don't have interest in movie conventions anymore because they're all remakes just like the movies.

[Kevin Smith fan]

There's definitley some talent out there, it's just that none of them have the balls to step up and stop remake-mania that's taken the genre by storm. Even the franchises suck. In place of TCM, F13, NOES, and Evil Dead; we get Saw and Final Destination?! Are you kidding me!? Shammylan looked to be on the right path until the Village hit, Zombie's already jumped onto the remake wagon, Roth is the Tarantino of horror (and no that's not a compliment, I'm saying the guy's a self absorbed ego-maniac), Aja's completely overrated, Marshall's a hack and the Saw guys are a joke. I think one of the most impressive horror directors out there that no one seems to be talking about is Christophe Gans. His work with Silent Hill was amazing, not to mention Brotherhood of the Wolf.

[Tuukka]

this decade has been better than ever before, basicly. I won't say anything about this year yet, because a lot of interesting horror movies are not out yet.

I was tempted to say that the only thing that has changed is that horror fans bitch more nowadays, but even that isn't true really. They bitched just as much back in the 80's, there simply wasn't internet around to make the bitching so visible. I've been in the horror circles since the late 80's, and things worked the same back then.

There is some place which collects early to mid 80's threads from the pre-internet usernets. It was interesting to read them because people bitched about exactly the same things that they do. Remakes, sequels, modern horror movies suck, blah blah blah.

Never before we have had this kind of variety and quality in the horror genre. If you want pay attention only to some remakes and sequels which consist less than 5% of the genre as a whole, then that's representative of YOU, not the genre itself.

[X-Nightcrawler]

this decade has been better than ever before, basicly. I won't say anything about this year yet, because a lot of interesting horror movies are not out yet.

I was tempted to say that the only thing that has changed is that horror fans bitch more nowadays, but even that isn't true really. They bitched just as much back in the 80's, there simply wasn't internet around to make the bitching so visible. I've been in the horror circles since the late 80's, and things worked the same back then.

There is some place which collects early to mid 80's threads from the pre-internet usernets. It was interesting to read them because people bitched about exactly the same things that they do. Remakes, sequels, modern horror movies suck, blah blah blah.

Never before we have had this kind of variety and quality in the horror genre. If you want pay attention only to some remakes and sequels which consist less than 5% of the genre as a whole, then that's representative of YOU, not the genre itself.
Hah. Thank you very much. I'd love ot read those. "Oh man, remember in the 50's? That's when it was awesome."

*back to the 50's*
"Oh man, remember in the 30's?"

It's always been the same crap over and over again.

[Superplasmatron]

Mainstream american horrors are predominantly bad and over budget remakes, but alot of independent films from america and europe are really good, I think that though often generic in their scares the asian horrors are great too. My fave decade for horror is the 70's but hey.

[Superplasmatron]

There is nothing, NOTHING scary in today's portreyal of horror. It's all just gore..... Pretty boring and nothing to keep me interested. Very sad schmoe here.....

not true there are a lot of European films that are not such as ill's, the forth coming American language version of funny games should be checked out too

[Kevin Lockard]

this decade has been better than ever before, basicly. I won't say anything about this year yet, because a lot of interesting horror movies are not out yet.

What movies exactly, though? Because this year is coming to a close real soon....

[Tuukka]

What movies exactly, though? Because this year is coming to a close real soon....

American mainstream horror movies I'm intrigued by:

The Mist
30 Days Of Night
I Am Legend

...Darabont in capable of greatness, and I think Slade and Lawrence both have a lot of potential. Usually when it comes to non-American and non-British horror movies, they take their time to get to Finland and I don't expect to see most of 07 movies until 2008. For example I have no idea what good horror movies have come out this year in Asia.

As for the year so far, it's been good:

28 Weeks Later
Sunshine (It's just as much horror as it's scifi)
The Signal
1408 (I didn't really care fot it, but lot of people did)
Fido
Behind The Mask: The Rise Of Leslie Vernon
Planet Terror
Perfume (Yes, it's a serial killer movie)
The Girl Next Door
The Abandoned (Not liked by most, but I thought it had great directing)
Severance
The Host

...I'm sure I'm forgetting many.

Technically some of those were made in 2006, but they didn't really find a wide distribution until this year. That's a very varied list, with plenty of sub-genres and original movies. And since 07 Asian movies won't really be covered until 08, the list will get much better. And there are always going to be those little movies even from USA and UK that won't get noticed until later on.

[parsonz]

we cant really call the horror of today real horror because its all just blood and guts which can be good in cases but it will be nice that in horror movies it wont just be blood and guts it will be more scary and not so Predicatable on whats going ot happpen

[Nightscare]

I don't know. Blood & Guts can carry a movie pretty far the first couple times around. Look at how many people like the living dead movies. The problem is that we're no longer the first couple times around on anything. We're into remakes of ripoffs and sequels of remakes. A lot of these movies where watchable the first couple of times they were done, but we're getting into a level of redundancy that's just a bit hard to get excited about. That's really whats wrong with today's horror scene, and movies in general, actually.

[TATU]

I view it as being the same as its ever been. No matter the decade, year, or what have you -- horror's always had its ups and downs. Even during horror's "hey-day" during the 70's and 80's a lot of shit was still coming out. Really, a lot more than today. We might get four or five "big" horror movie releases a month now, with a smattering of stuff coming direct to DVD. Back then that smattering of direct to DVD stuff would've been a theatrical release.

Like now, the cream would rise to the top and the crap would sink to the bottom. But with only a handful of releases coming a month, and probably twenty or twenty-five a year (if that) there's a definite perception out there that the horror film industry is going to the dogs. Its because mainstream Hollywood only puts its money behind a surefire remake, or something starring Sarah Michelle Gellar than anything remotely risky or risque.

But, when it comes right down to it, there's still plenty of good stuff coming out. Masters Of Horror is an awesome show, putting the horror limelight on those that helped propagate and popularize the genre.

Times are changing, but the sliding scale of good and bad films isn't. No matter the decade or the year there's always going to be something worth watching coming out, as well as something worth avoiding. With a lot of direct to DVD stuff being better than the theatrical stuff out there we're just getting our worthwhile stuff from a slightly more insular and ambiguous place- instead of the movie theater we're hitting the DVD shops.

Horror is no worse now than it was twenty years ago. That's not to say its better -- because its not. But the fulcrum hasn't dipped all the way in either direction just yet.

As far as remakes go, I'm not feeling too strongly one way or the other on them. Not every remake is awful. Just because a movie is saddled with the stigma of being a cursed remake the quality isn't impuned to the point where it can't possibly be good. If you can put your feelings for the original aside, a remake is really just another movie -- let it stand on its own two feet without an irrational bias. You might like it, or you might not, but give it a chance.

I'm also of the opinion that the future of the horror genre isn't here yet. Rob Zombie, Eli Roth, Alexandre Aja, Edgar Wright, are all very talented directors. But they don't have the collective ability to move the genre forward much further than it is now.

Zombie's style is much to insular, he directs the movies he wants to direct while casting the actors he wants to cast. His movies are okay, but their 70's feel makes them archaic. In order to push the genre forward we need to find the next evolution, not someone who can replicate the 70's grindhouse feel.

Eli Roth's brand of horror just isn't all that appealing. Since SAW it feels like every movie has tried to up the ante with more violence and more blood. Hostel felt like American Pie meets SAW -- and it wasn't very good. There's a good reason Quentin Tarantino's name was attached so heavily to Hostel -- Eli's freshman effort, Cabin Fever sucked. Despite the hype and the cult-following it was a bad film. Tarantino's name was attached as an effort to save Eli's falling star.

I haven't seen much out of Alexandre Aja. His remake of The Hills Have Eyes entertained me. But I'm still not sure of his ability to stand on his own two feet with his own ideas. The second and third act of The Hills Have Eyes was a simple extrapolation of the ideas presented in Wes Craven's original. He needs to do something completely original in order for me to properly judge him.

Edgar Wright is a funny guy. But horror-comedies have a long history of not being so great. Shaun Of The Dead was a unique surprise in that regard. But good horror-comedy isn't going to push the horror genre as a whole forward.

In all fairness though, the veterans of the horror genre haven't given up their shit yet, either. Only luminaries like Tobe Hooper and George A. Romero have given up the horror ghost. Wes Craven, John Carpenter, and others are still as prevalent as ever. But their name attached to a movie today means much less today than it did twenty years ago. It doesn't help that the franchises these men created have been driven into the ground by bad surrogate directors and greedy Hollywood types who need to make a cheap buck. Tobe Hooper was the only smart one of the veterans to get away before the ship was sinking. Chainsaw Massacre is a classic and Chainsaw 2 is anything but, but still fun. Those were the only two Hooper had a direct hand in.

All in all, I'd say horror right now is the same as its ever been. There's good, there's bad, but its always a fun experience. Horrors "new wave" hasn't quite hit yet, and the dinosaurs of old haven't all gone extinct yet. There's still plenty of shit out there.

[PSU80]

The current and seemingly unchanging state of horror today; DEAD! No originality is left.