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JohnIan
09-15-2007, 01:05 AM
By Thomas K. Arnold
September 9th-15th issue of Home Media Retailing

Looking ahead, it is becoming apparent that high-definition discs are not going to be the big business the studios predicted they would be in the fourth quarter. Indeed, the consensus in Hollywood now is that it will be the fourth quarter of 2008, rather than 2007, when HD media really, truly becomes a business.

Skeptics might point out that studio executives said the same thing last year, when the fourth quarter of 2006 was supposedly going to be the breakout time for next-generation optical discs. It wasn’t. The truth is, no one really knows when HD media is going to catch on.

A recent Warner study found that indifference, not the much-ballyhooed format war, is the primary force keeping consumers away, and I can’t say I blame them. I remember those split-screen demonstrations a few years ago, primarily on the Blu-ray Disc side, showing how much clearer the picture was in high-definition. At the time, I wondered what all the hoopla was about — sure, the HD picture was better, but the DVD looked fine to my eyes, unless I was about three inches from the massive HDTV screen.

And yet everyone was crowing about how the world was going HD and packaged media needed a seat at the table. Standard DVDs, everyone was saying, simply wouldn’t cut it in an HDTV world, where even local news shows would be in high-definition.

Well, guess what, folks? We’re not there yet. Until then, DVDs will be just fine with mainstream America. Heck, they might be fine forever — when DVD-Audio came out and John Thrasher, then with Tower Records and Video, expressed skepticism about having five speakers aimed at him. “I still only have two ears,” he said.

So here’s what I think will happen: Just as with broadcast, we’re going to have to be force-fed HD before we buy HD discs, en masse. For either Blu-ray Disc or HD DVD to succeed, studios will have to stop making DVD. It won’t be like the death of VHS, which consumers slowly abandoned as they realized DVD had a lot more to offer. The truth is, HD media, at least in its present form (with interactivity still more of a concept than a reality, particularly on Blu-ray), isn’t all that much better than DVD, at least not to the common eye.

And this lack of a discernable difference is fueling the indifference that’s keeping consumers away.

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I've been saying this to friends since day one of the introduction of HD discs. It's not about offering another option for watching movies. It's about destroying standard defintion discs, not co-existence.

I can so very easily see it being called up-patriotic to continue to buy SD DVDs. Trying to make people feel guilty for purchasing and owning them. Since SD discs have basic copy protection and not F-ing littered with DRM it can be smoothly copied. Wait for it... pirated DVDs are funding terrorism. Think I'm joking? I'm not. In order to help save us from THEM we need to stop making SD releases (start waving flags).



Anyhow, I saw this and thought you might want to read it...


HYBRID HIGH-DEFINITION VIDEO DISCS WON'T FLY
Warner Bros. Home Video, which had announced that it planned to begin issuing early in 2008 high-definition movies on hybrid discs that could be played in both Blu-ray and HD DVD players said Thursday that it had indefinitely suspended plans to introduce the "Total HD" disc. Warner Home Video President Ron Sanders told TWICE magazine: "We're concerned that as the only one publishing on it, it would be hard to make it go." Asked whether the HD DVD and Blu-ray camps have made WHV offers to go with one format exclusively, Sanders replied, "We're talking to both sides and it's crazy right now. ... We remain committed to both [formats] for the time being."

bigred760
09-15-2007, 02:59 AM
I'm still with regular DVDs; I might go HD eventually, but it doesn't seem like it'll be any time soon.

Maybe once I change apartments (or move into a house or something).

m_burlock
09-16-2007, 03:29 PM
I'll never go either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, unless I absolutely HAVE to. I am completely satisfied with DVD. I'm not so picky as to want either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray and neither is the general public. They're gonna have to force HD Discs on the general public before they go for them en masse. DEATH TO HD-DVD!! DEATH TO BLU-RAY!!

jbar1026
09-20-2007, 06:29 AM
for me the main reason to not go hd or blu ray is price. when a movie like blade is $9.99 on dvd and $25.99 on hd that hurts. can you imagine a 600 hd-dvd collection $16000. i would sooner stop buying movies

crodger
09-20-2007, 07:25 AM
I have a collection of 250 DVDs, but haven't purchased one for about 3 months (a record) as I'm saving up to go to England early next year. So, when I get back in two years, hopefully the format war will be decided!!

KcMsterpce
09-20-2007, 02:05 PM
Like everyone else, I'll eventually have to go to a new format.

For now, I consider the price of a new system, and not knowing its future in the next few years makes me not CARE about it yet.

I waited a couple years before I got a DVD player, but it was when I could really start to feel the turnover of VHS to DVD, and I jumped on pretty quick. But the change from VHS to DVD was much more substantial than we have now with HD or BR discs.
I also loved laserdiscs, and was happy that DVD finally caught on, because all those awesome features you could get on laserdiscs (better video/sound, and COMMENTARY tracks, etc...) became more commonplace, thus easier to get a hold of.

What - other than better video and sound that my TV isn't even capable of presenting to me - is my motivation for this new generation? Especially now, when 2 new formats are battling it out.

Unless I have the money to purchase one of these two players, and/or just happen across one (like if I get a PS3 some day), then I really don't worry too much about the fall of DVD.
It will happen some day, but when that day comes, so be it. For now, I don't think it's in all that much danger.

NuclearMisfit
09-20-2007, 06:33 PM
I think its all bullshit and a money making scam. We will have our winner in 3-5 years.

unspoken
09-21-2007, 01:51 AM
I already have a DVD player capable of HD output (in my PS3) and I still don't give a shit. Standard Def is fine for me and costs on average 5-10 dollars less per DVD with no extra features or anything to justify it.

Shockwave
09-21-2007, 04:00 PM
I dont give a damn for this "format war", HD, or Blu-ray.

Im sticking with DVDs where i can find most any title i want.

jbar1026
09-22-2007, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by Shockwave

Im sticking with DVDs where i can find most any title i want.

it wont be long and they will use that aginst us by excluding dvd for certian movies or only havinf extended cuts in br or hd

Shockwave
09-22-2007, 05:26 AM
Originally posted by jbar1026
it wont be long and they will use that aginst us by excluding dvd for certian movies or only havinf extended cuts in br or hd

Thats when i start downloading and just forget the whole mess.

I dont feel like buying different players and wondering if a movie will come out for it or not depending on the mood of the studio. Screw that.

ChickFlick
09-22-2007, 05:40 AM
I agree...for me, it's going to have to take a tremendous price drop for me to consider it. With standard DVDs going on sale for $3.99, I can't justify spending $29.99 for the same movie. Season sets are also insanely priced. There's no way I could drop $100 for 1 season of Heroes. You can get the complete series of a show for that price with standard DVDs.

m_burlock
09-24-2007, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by jbar1026
it wont be long and they will use that aginst us by excluding dvd for certian movies or only havinf extended cuts in br or hd


It wouldn't suprise me if they did that. Fuckers. :mad: