Sweeney Todd trailer

[Derrida]

http://www.davestrailerpage.co.uk/


Enjoy!!!

[LordSimen]

Looks freakin' awesome. :eek:

[Monotreme]

You are a demi-god.

Link on Yahoo!:
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809834155/video/4367764



O_O I want this movie in my brain. NOW.

[JackassFan]

Wow. I love it already.. =O

[poopontheshoes7]

This could easily become one of my favorite movies of the year. I really need to see Johnny do something different than Jack Sparrow:D Officially stoked.

[Bourne101]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT! THIS LOOKS SOOOOO AMAZING! I will be there opening day. Enough said.

[Scarfather]

I'm hoping that was just a terribly constructed trailer.

But then again, it is Tim Burton.

God, I hate Tim Burton.

[therealjohng]

Tim Burton does it again. ANOTHER shitty looking movie.

[dreamcurls]

oh yeah. i'm looking forward to this film.
i love alan rickman.

[SpikeDurden]

I think I just cried a little bit...


Wow.

[corran horn]

Regardless of what the Burton-haters say (glares at Scar and John G) I absolutely loved it!! I can now safely say what my top 5 most-anticipated fall/winter '07 movies will be:

American Gangster
Sweeney Todd
Charlie Wilson's War (the only one left without a trailer:()
There Will Be Blood
Kite Runner (say what you will about the trailer, I really liked the book and I trust Marc Forster)

[Squid Vicious]

If it wasn't opening on Christmas Day, I'd say that my ass would be in the theater opening day. I suppose I can wait till Boxing Day, though. ;)

Also, I'll ask this once again: what the hell took Tim Burton and Alan Rickman so long to work together??

[NuclearMisfit]

Man this looks fantastic. I cant wait. I agree Rickman and Burton should have been paired up earlier.

[Powerslave]

Looks like it could be awesome, but the trailer wasn't very good. It kept going between drama, horror, thriller, dark comedy, and then randomly inserted bits of musical. Pretty poorly put together, but I'm still hoping it'll turn out good, it definitely has the potential to (plus the visuals are great).

[Mr.HyDe807]

Yeah, the trailer really didnt do aynthing for me.....

[bankholdup]

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[therealjohng]

I think Tim Burton is a talented director, I just think he hasn't done anything worth while. His movies look fantastic, but there's no depth to them. It's like he's saying, "Look what I can do!" trying to impress someone's parents with a cool painting. He needs to make a film where I can care for his characters. Hasn't happened yet.

[yorrick brown]

i keep thinking off jersey girl.when ben affleck plays sweeney todd "knock three times" knock knock knock.

goodstuff

[corran horn]

Must disagree with John G, again. I cared immensely for Edward in EDWARD SCISSORHANDS. I've also felt for characters in Burton's other movies, particularly SLEEPY HOLLOW and even BATMAN RETURNS (say what you want about his overdone appearance, I actually felt badly for the Penguin).

However, I do understand what you're trying to say. I feel the same way about Tarantino (talented but too vulgar and violent for me).

[corran horn]

Re Depp's singing:

If anyone's at all concerned that Depp's singing in this trailer is symptomatic of his whole performance*, I consulted some Sweeney experts on another site (guess which one;)), and they said that the idiosyncratic sing-speach style is largely confined to this specific song--"epiphany" I believe. Plus, Sweeney Todd is not, as one expert put it, "all about singing prettily"

*this is not to say that I didn't like his singing; I did!

[corran horn]

Looks like it could be awesome, but the trailer wasn't very good. It kept going between drama, horror, thriller, dark comedy, and then randomly inserted bits of musical. Pretty poorly put together, but I'm still hoping it'll turn out good, it definitely has the potential to (plus the visuals are great).

I totally understand what you're saying. If I have any complaint about this wonderful trailer, it's that they're trying to cover too many bases at once. They probably put it together so fast to placate the growing clamour for a trailer--check out the (always entertaining) Sweeney Todd board on IMDb (don't worry, most of the a-holes don't bother that thread). It's worth noting though that Sweeney Todd is in fact an amalgamation of drama, horror, thriller, dark comedy, and musical and yet, in its entire form, has worked very well.

[APzombie]

I think Tim Burton is a talented director, I just think he hasn't done anything worth while. His movies look fantastic, but there's no depth to them. It's like he's saying, "Look what I can do!" trying to impress someone's parents with a cool painting. He needs to make a film where I can care for his characters. Hasn't happened yet.

I absolutely agree. Though I really like Burton, lately everything just feels plastic. It resonates a certain fantastical canvas, but any real drama doesn't get applied. I believe it with Sleepy Hollow, Ed Wood, Edward Scissorhands and for the most part Batman, but everything else seems illusive.

The trailer didn't really sell me and ill tell you why: this is predictably Burton. He is becoming his own worst enemy. Not just in style but in structure, music, tone, etc. He isn't growing as a filmmaker. He is exactly where he was when he was 30... not a good sing for storytellers.

[navarr0]

Johnny Depp doing that annoying ass pirate voice. Helen Bonham and Alan Rickman staying in the dark gritty movie type(Harry potter), this is reminding me of Edward Scissorhands. i liked it, but so far, im not really sold on this movie.

[therealjohng]

Burton hasn't grown as a filmmaker since Batman.

[ilovemovies]

I wasn't sure about this movie before but the trailer has changed my mind. I'm there. Looks great. Very odd looking but cool.

[Monotreme]

First of all, I must confess that I have watched this trailer at least another 10 times since I first saw it last night. The part when Depp suddenly bursts out in song does all sorts of wonders for me. But enough of that; as Burton is my favourite director, it's time to whip out my double barrels and begin to retaliate:

Hasn't grown since Batman? His films lack depth? I ask of you one thing and one thing only: Watch Big Fish. It is his best film in my opinion and although many may disagree (Edward Scissorhands being the more popular selection), I do sincerely think that Big Fish is a masterpiece of modern cinema. Forget the fact that it shows immense maturity and intelligence on Burton's part, the film is just absolutely, unbelievably, outrageously touching and just magical. And deep as well - Bloom Jr.'s relationship with his father, and in general Bloom Sr.'s whole way of storytelling, and all the development and learning leading up to the amazing conclusion.

And regarding Burton not growing as a filmmaker since Batman: Visually he has grown leaps and bounds - just look at Sleepy Hollow and, from the looks of it, Sweeney Todd as well - and in terms of the depth/content of his films, well, suffice it to say that Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood and Big Fish are proof enough that Burton is constantly evolving still without ever losing his trademark touch.

And say what you want about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Corpse Bride: I loved both IMMENSELY.



Top 5 most anticipated films of 2007:

Sweeney Todd
The Golden Compass
No Country for Old Men/There Will Be Blood (equally)
American Gangster
Charlie Wilson's War (haven't seen a trailer nor any early buzz, so it'll be very interesting to see how this one will transpire. I'm of course hoping for the best.)

[navarr0]

First of all, I must confess that I have watched this trailer at least another 10 times since I first saw it last night. The part when Depp suddenly bursts out in song does all sorts of wonders for me. But enough of that; as Burton is my favourite director, it's time to whip out my double barrels and begin to retaliate:

Hasn't grown since Batman? His films lack depth? I ask of you one thing and one thing only: Watch Big Fish. It is his best film in my opinion and although many may disagree (Edward Scissorhands being the more popular selection), I do sincerely think that Big Fish is a masterpiece of modern cinema. Forget the fact that it shows immense maturity and intelligence on Burton's part, the film is just absolutely, unbelievably, outrageously touching and just magical. And deep as well - Bloom Jr.'s relationship with his father, and in general Bloom Sr.'s whole way of storytelling, and all the development and learning leading up to the amazing conclusion.

And regarding Burton not growing as a filmmaker since Batman: Visually he has grown leaps and bounds - just look at Sleepy Hollow and, from the looks of it, Sweeney Todd as well - and in terms of the depth/content of his films, well, suffice it to say that Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood and Big Fish are proof enough that Burton is constantly evolving still without ever losing his trademark touch.

And say what you want about Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Corpse Bride: I loved both IMMENSELY.



Top 5 most anticipated films of 2007:

Sweeney Todd
The Golden Compass
No Country for Old Men/There Will Be Blood (equally)
American Gangster
Charlie Wilson's War (haven't seen a trailer nor any early buzz, so it'll be very interesting to see how this one will transpire. I'm of course hoping for the best.)

The fact that Depp suddenly burst out into song makes me not want to see it. If it was just a straight revenge film, i might be interested.

Charlie and Chocolate Factory, was just something that you cant remake. Willy Wonka was one of a kind. The visuals wasnt something i enjoyed. The Corpse Bride was just too similar to Nightmare Before Christmas, which i didnt enjoy. Burton needs to expand with his animation, and he just didnt succeed.

i liked Big Fish though.

[Cop No. 633]

Finally, something by Burton that looks interesting. It's been 8 years since Sleepy Hollow and I've been waiting for something good to come out of him. I'll definitely see this... I've seen a live performance of Sweeney Todd and it's a great musical. It's perfect for Burton.

[therealjohng]

I actually think Big Fish is one of his worst movies.


The reason I say Burton hasn't grown as a filmmaker since Batman is because he basically made Batman in 89 which is a great looking movie. But every movie since, with the exception of Big Fish and maybe Ed Wood, looks exactly like it. He basically goes for the same look, same camera movements, cinematography in every movie. I'm sick of his gimmick. Like I said, talented filmmaker, he just needs to move on past his doom and gloom look and throw in some characters I can care for and decent story.

I can picture him directing on the set, he's constantly looking over his shoulder vying for attention saying, "This looks fucking cool doesn't it?"

Then someone says, "Yes, Tim, I remember you doing it on Batman."


The same exact thing is happening to Wes Anderson. He is an enormously talented director who is doing the same thing over and over again. I'm also waiting for him to move in another direction.

[Cop No. 633]

I actually think Big Fish is one of his worst movies.

AGREED. I was bored to tears by the film. The father son relationship was so trite. I hated it. There was no real drama in this film. It should've been a straight up comedy. I remember reading Jon August's script thinking it was nothing special... and the movie turned out to be exactly that.

I can picture him directing on the set, he's constantly looking over his shoulder vying for attention saying, "This looks fucking cool doesn't it?"

Then someone says, "Yes, Tim, I remember you doing it on Batman."

LOL... this just gave me a laugh. I like Burton, but I do think he got stale after Sleepy Hollow.

The same exact thing is happening to Wes Anderson. He is an enormously talented director who is doing the same thing over and over again. I'm also waiting for him to move in another direction.

I whole heartedly agree with this. It was cool by the time he got to Royal Tennenbaums, but The Life Aquatic was a boring film that took the same concepts only it put them on a boat. HOW original. His new film looks more of the same. I like that Anderson has his own POV, but when you can't change your style/tone/or even your basic concepts (always with the father-son theme) of your films, you get boring very fast. I feel bored with him... he's a director that a lot of hipsters love because they're all wish they could live in his films. God do I hate hipsters. I'd love to beat the shit out of those skinny, blazer wearing wannabe punks who think it's cool to wear a 1980's Gym shirt from some obscure high school. Anyway, back to SWEENEY TODD! :)

[yorrick brown]

i wonder if most people know that this is a musical?.

[Cronos]

:eek: It's got Borat in it :p.

Part of me can't wait to see this since it does look fantastic but there's the part of the that despises musicals and makes me kind of wary of any film where people start singing and dancing and all that stupid shit. Still I'll be giving it a look, hopefully it'll be one of the very rare musicals that actually ends up being any good.

[Derek237]

I really like Tim Burton (maybe not as intensely as some people), but this one has "meh" written all over it.

[The Postmaster General]

The same exact thing is happening to Wes Anderson. He is an enormously talented director who is doing the same thing over and over again.


Compared to who? Martin Scorsese? Stanley Kubrick? Clint Eastwood? Michael Mann?

Every acclaimed director seems to repeat themes and style ad infinitum. Usually when people like the director consistently, they say the director has distinct trademarks. When the people don't like one of the director's projects, they complain that the director is just repeating themselves.


EDIT: Having just watched the trailer - this seems much more dark and mean spirited than his prior outings. From the trailer, it seems to lack the whimsey that I associate with Burton.

I'm looking forward to this very much.

[ilovemovies]

The fact that Depp suddenly burst out into song makes me not want to see it. If it was just a straight revenge film, i might be interested.

Charlie and Chocolate Factory, was just something that you cant remake. Willy Wonka was one of a kind. The visuals wasnt something i enjoyed. The Corpse Bride was just too similar to Nightmare Before Christmas, which i didnt enjoy. Burton needs to expand with his animation, and he just didnt succeed.

i liked Big Fish though.



I'll take Burton's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory over the original ANY day. I'm not a fan of the original but I actually liked Burton's movie a LOT.





I like Burton. He's not one of my favorite filmmakers but I've enjoyed most of his movies. Beetlejuice is probably my favorite movie of his. Just a wonderful, wacky comedy with a great, awesome performance from Michael Keaton. A real delight.

On the other hand, Mars Attacks was just dreadful. I also HATED The Nightmare Before Christmas and Corpse Bride wasn't very good either.

Big Fish was good but not great although I loved the ending. I found the ending to be very touching and Albert Finney and Ewan McGregor both give wonderful performances.

I'm looking forward to this movie a lot. Burton and Depp just seem to work so well together. My favorite of their collaberations is the wonderfully entertaining Sleepy Hollow. Love that movie.

[SpikeDurden]

Ed Wood is a masterpiece.
Edward Scissorhands is a masterpiece.
Big Fish is fantastic.

He's made some bad films, but when Burton brings it, he brings it. I can't wait for this. I'm not sure if there was ever material more suited for a director.

[Cop No. 633]

Compared to who? Martin Scorsese? Stanley Kubrick? Clint Eastwood? Michael Mann?

Every acclaimed director seems to repeat themes and style ad infinitum. Usually when people like the director consistently, they say the director has distinct trademarks. When the people don't like one of the director's projects, they complain that the director is just repeating themselves.


All those directors you've mentioned have tackled various genres, characters, plots, themes... there might be a FEW connecting themes and concepts, but the majority of their work has been different from their previous effort.

Wes Anderson has really only made one type of film, well, except for Bottle Rocket. But every other film he's made were dramedies, had a story involving a father-son relationship (whether literal or not), dry humor, flamboyant sense of costumes and color which are all very similar within each film, soundtracks that resemble the previous film, the same actors... you see where I'm going with this? Wes Anderson has proven that he could make one type of film and he hasn't shown that he can do ANOTHER type of film, which is what John G was commenting on. I think it's a valid argument to say that about Wes Anderson. He's good at what he does, but he's still very limited and he hasn't shown that he could change up his style... All the directors you mentioned have done that, especially Stanley Kubrick... the man has run the gamut on genres.

I think Tim Burton has tackled different genres though. I dig his work and I'm happy to see him handling a material that's better suited for him since Sweeney Todd is a great black comedy/drama. But I can't say the same for Wes... he showed a lot of potential, but he hasn't shown that he could push himself as a filmmaker. At least to me, he hasn't.

[Monotreme]

I must agree and disagree with a few statements in this thread.

First of all, if you compare the visual look of Batman with, say, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow or Big Fish you'll see that they're quite different, and evolving. Also saying that Corpse Bride didn't evolve from Nightmare Before Christmas is a gross understatement: I'm not talking thematically or story-wise, but straight-up animation wise Corpse Bride is an immense achivement in stop-animation and leaps and bounds ahead of the already brilliant Nightmare Before Christmas.

Now, regarding Wes Anderson: I love the guy and I love his films, but I must agree. I haven't seen The Darjeeling Limited but it looks so entirely distinctly in his style that I can't help but feel that he isn't really evolving anywhere, but rather continuously delivering the same (good) stuff. On the other hand, take P.T. Anderson. Compare Punch-Drunk Love to Boogie Nights or Magnolia. Now, watch the trailer for There Will Be Blood and compare it to anything else he's ever done. HERE'S a director that's constantly changing his style, evolving, trying new things. And this newest film in paricular of his looks entirely different. How great to see such evolution.

That said; people who have an initial problem with musicals (Cronos, that's you!), then too bad. I happen to have a particular weak spot for musicals, and a particular weak spot for Tim Burton films as well. So this is like a two-in-one deal here. And to navarr0: if it was just a straight-up revenge story, it wouldn't be half as interesting as it is as a musical. What I love greatest about it is that it really does look dark and dramatic; it's not like a light-hearted comedy musical like most musicals are. Can't WAIT to see it!!

[therealjohng]

Every acclaimed director seems to repeat themes and style ad infinitum. Usually when people like the director consistently, they say the director has distinct trademarks. When the people don't like one of the director's projects, they complain that the director is just repeating themselves.



I love Wes Anderson movies and I'm getting tired of his repetitious style.

[Cronos]

What I love greatest about it is that it really does look dark and dramatic; it's not like a light-hearted comedy musical like most musicals are. Can't WAIT to see it!!
That's one of the things that makes me hope I'll end up liking Sweeney Todd. I think part of what i dislike about musicals in general is that they're overly happyhappy joyjoy, big smiles as they sing and dance and it just irritates the hell out of me, this is clearly not like that which is why I'm rather hopeful that it'll be good.

[notchreturns]

I'll pass

I haven't seen a Burton film in theaters since Mars Attacks and I'll keep it that way

[Monotreme]

That's one of the things that makes me hope I'll end up liking Sweeney Todd. I think part of what i dislike about musicals in general is that they're overly happyhappy joyjoy, big smiles as they sing and dance and it just irritates the hell out of me, this is clearly not like that which is why I'm rather hopeful that it'll be good.
I hope so too, my friend. I hope so too.

[gyro_44]

I think Tim Burton is a talented director, I just think he hasn't done anything worth while. His movies look fantastic, but there's no depth to them. It's like he's saying, "Look what I can do!" trying to impress someone's parents with a cool painting. He needs to make a film where I can care for his characters. Hasn't happened yet.
Ed Wood? Big Fish?

No?

This looks gorgeous, I'm hoping for the best.

[Scarfather]

Ed Wood and Big Fish are great films.

Everything else he's ever made is SHIT.

[chinton]

The musical has a lot of dark humor in it, but joyjoy as Cronos puts it it is not.

I mean we are talking about a musical whose major plot point involves cannabalism.

[smok3h]

Trailer was poorly put together. The part where Johnny Depp just started singing felt really awkward... but I'm guessing it's just the trailer that felt like this, hopefully the movie will be good.

[therealjohng]

Ed Wood? Big Fish?


Yay and nay.

[corran horn]

That's one of the things that makes me hope I'll end up liking Sweeney Todd. I think part of what i dislike about musicals in general is that they're overly happyhappy joyjoy, big smiles as they sing and dance and it just irritates the hell out of me, this is clearly not like that which is why I'm rather hopeful that it'll be good.

Exactly the same case with me, Cronos! The film musical's I've liked always had a bit of an edge to them: Fiddler on the Roof (dealt with serious topic like antisemitism and gave one of my favorite musical songs ever: To Life (L'chiem!) and Chicago (LOVED Zeta-Jones, Queen Latifa, and John C. Reilly). The reasons Sweeney Todd appeals so much to me is twofold: 1) we get to see Depp, Rickman, and Cohen SING! 2) it's far darker than most musicals--and a lot of fun too from what I've heard.

[corran horn]

[QUOTE=navarr0;2547791]The fact that Depp suddenly burst out into song makes me not want to see it. If it was just a straight revenge film, i might be interested.

QUOTE]

But then it would not be Sweeney Todd, now would it?;)
Like it or not, this is a musical, through and through, but it's one designed for those of us unnerved by OVERLY-cheerful musicals and occasionally entertain the idea of seeing those gleeful singers' lungs ripped out (as Jack napier might put it;)).

[The Postmaster General]

All those directors you've mentioned have tackled various genres, characters, plots, themes... there might be a FEW connecting themes and concepts, but the majority of their work has been different from their previous effort.

Wes Anderson has really only made one type of film, well, except for Bottle Rocket. But every other film he's made were dramedies, had a story involving a father-son relationship (whether literal or not), dry humor, flamboyant sense of costumes and color which are all very similar within each film, soundtracks that resemble the previous film, the same actors... you see where I'm going with this? Wes Anderson has proven that he could make one type of film and he hasn't shown that he can do ANOTHER type of film, which is what John G was commenting on. I think it's a valid argument to say that about Wes Anderson. He's good at what he does, but he's still very limited and he hasn't shown that he could change up his style... All the directors you mentioned have done that, especially Stanley Kubrick... the man has run the gamut on genres.


Wes Anderson has made a crime/buddy caper, a romantic-comedy, a family dramady, and a sea adventure film. He's made a movie about 3 slackers who want to be criminals, a adolescent kid faking his way though private school, a family of geniuses, and a middle aged oceanographer.

In Bottle Rocket, there was a theme about enduring friendship, in Rushmore, there was a theme about the need to reach out to those around you, in The Royal Tenenbaums it was about finding closeness with family, and in The Life Aquatic there was a theme about accepting who you really are.

I would not want to see any director reduced based on what they are good at. Martin has a thing for making movies about people's rise and fall through an environment. Kubrick obviously likes epics (and seems to be repressing something to say about human sexuality). Mann really likes the underbelly. And Eastwood, man, you know we'll learn about something that's just below the surface of what society perceives.

You want a director who's diverse and can touch on different themes? That would be Michael Bay. Why do people not like his movies as much as those by Scorsese, Mann, etc?? Maybe because those themes aren't important to Bay as they are to those directors. Maybe Bay is making movies for a different reason than to attempt and convey a deep rooted emotion he is feeling. I don't know, but I'm sure the other directors I've mentioned have something they are saying because it keeps showing up in their work again, and again, and again.

And I won't even get into the trademarks. Is there a Kubrick film that doesn't use bold colors or the futra font? There probably is...

I'm talking about original screenwriting/directoral efforts overall, but even in adaptations, Scorsese seems to like classic rock as much as Anderson likes Brit invasion rock. Kubrick sure likes that classical music, doesn't he? And Mann, who I love, even uses music scores from his previous films. Hell, Mann has not once, but twice remade one of his earlier works.

Something important about this overall comparison - Anderson has made 4 films (that I've seen). Kubrick's 1st 4 films: 2 film-noirs and 2 war films. Scorsese's first 4 films: 3 movies about Italian-Americans and one about Boxcar Bertha. Mann's first 4: 3 movies about criminals and whatever the fuck The Keep is about. :o

What's Anderson's next film? An adaptation of a Dahl children's book. Will it be colorful, and have odd characters- It sure will. (Do Scorsese's largest efforts have Italian-Americans? They sure do.) Will it be compared to his earlier works, despite being a stop-motion children's book - I sure the fuck hope so.



I think Tim Burton has tackled different genres though. I dig his work and I'm happy to see him handling a material that's better suited for him since Sweeney Todd is a great black comedy/drama. But I can't say the same for Wes... he showed a lot of potential, but he hasn't shown that he could push himself as a filmmaker. At least to me, he hasn't.

Tim Burton's first 4 films (Pee-Wees Big Adventure, Beetlejuice, Edward Scissorhands, and Batman) were really that dissimilar to you? I mean, didn't he use the exact same composer for all 4? In fact, it's funny that people bring up Anderson's use of music, but Burton gets a pass even though he's used the same composer in, as far as I know, every single film he's done - Oh, and it's distinctly Elfman too. From what I understand, Mothersbaugh isn't attached to Darjeeling, but I hope that's not true.

I'm not saying these are bad things. I think it's great. These guys have passion and they stick to that passion. What's working at repetition to one person is working at perfection to me.


Monotreme:

On the other hand, take P.T. Anderson. Compare Punch-Drunk Love to Boogie Nights or Magnolia.

That's funny because I've always reckoned PT as Wes' darker, older brother who was pulled from his mother's womb before birth.

Each of PT's films deals with a dark underbelly of society - outcasts and losers - and how even the most broken of people need to be loved but eventually find comfort.

I haven't seen There Will Be Blood, so I don't know if it strays or not.




Everyone gets something different out of films. Genre is the least important of things to me. Wes, PT, Scorsese, Kubrick, Mann, Eastwood - they all make complicated, thoughtful films. And they have all been accused of having a distinct style, regardless of what section in the video store their films get placed under. In my mind, trying new things, and branching out is not a prerequisite for keeping me interested.

You know, I love Joblo's reviews - I usually disagree with him, but I like his writing style. Wouldn't it be weird if one day I just stepped up and decided to start criticizing him for repeating that style? It's not Wes' fault he found a niche early. As long as I continue to not be disappointed by his films - I don't really see why I need to complain about the manner in which he makes them.