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yorrick brown

10-12-2007, 09:19 AM

1ST FROM AINT IT COOL NEWS

Rumor of the day: a tasty morsel about Bryan Singer's sequel to SUPERMAN RETURNS!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I've got a sweet little hunk of a rumor to share with you folks. This comes from an untested source, but one that should know what he/she/it is talking about.

This person has personally observed Bryan Singer at work on VALKYRIE and apparently he has been putting pressure on one of his cast members to return to his star-making role as a villain in Singer's SUPERMAN sequel.

That, of course, would be Terence Stamp and the role would be that of General Zod.

Sure, it's possible this is BS, it's possible that even if it's true that Singer just likes to kid around with Stamp and it could have been misinterpreted. But I gotta say... I love it. I don't think Zod needs to be a young man and the idea of Zod as played by Stamp returning has me excited.

If they follow the continuity, I suppose Zod could have survived the end of Superman II and maybe having his powers stripped caused the aging he would have done in the phantom zone to catch up to him. Maybe? Or maybe they'll just start anew, which I would like a bit better. I like SUPERMAN RETURNS, but I felt that it kind of painted itself into a corner using the established rules of Donner's originals.

What do you folks think?

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SUPERMAN FANS VS BATMAN FANS

ok its abit of a read but it come down to the fact .batman begins made 5 mill more then supes in the us but supes made more money all up.supes costed years to make (60 mill) ie : tim burton,nic cage etc etc.

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Everybody should take heart from the fact that Star Trek,
(a tentpole big effects film with a cast of iconic characters)has not finished casting of it's lead character(Capt Kirk) or important supporting roles like McCoy or Scotty.If an event film due to start filming in a month can continue pre production with out a sense of panic that it will be cancelled,surely we can be confident JLA will be set to role on Feb 11. As for MOS, I just have to point out that if box office returns are being used to show SR failed, then how come that same standard is not applied to Batman Begins which made 205 million as opposed to SR's 200 million? That is hardly Spider-Man like numbers ether. And I have to also point out SR made more globally then BB. It seems to me the case against SR is not really a box office one since BB (featuring Batman,a character as recognizable and more marketable as Superman,)in the big picture didn't make that much more then SR and is getting a sequel.If this is a dollars and cents arguement then why isn't BB blasted as a failure for not matching Spider-Man? It seems to me that SR failed because a lot of fans reject Singer's take on the francise and Routh as Superman as opposed to every body liking the Nolan/Bale take on Batman.That is fair enough since that's just a question of personal taste.I have said before and I say again that I hope Welling gets the JLA gig.But I waiting for a dollars and cent's reason SR failed and BB was a success

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Ps : that said if the cast is not up to people hope , the worried buzz about Jla could become bad. (at least untill a trailer) i really hope that they don't have a teen magazine cast.. for the moment imo it seem to go in that direction..

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blkyank wrote:
Everybody should take heart from the fact that Star Trek,
(a tentpole big effects film with a cast of iconic characters)has not finished casting of it's lead character(Capt Kirk) or important supporting roles like McCoy or Scotty.If an event film due to start filming in a month can continue pre production with out a sense of panic that it will be cancelled,surely we can be confident JLA will be set to role on Feb 11. As for MOS, I just have to point out that if box office returns are being used to show SR failed, then how come that same standard is not applied to Batman Begins which made 205 million as opposed to SR's 200 million? That is hardly Spider-Man like numbers ether. And I have to also point out SR made more globally then BB. It seems to me the case against SR is not really a box office one since BB (featuring Batman,a character as recognizable and more marketable as Superman,)in the big picture didn't make that much more then SR and is getting a sequel.If this is a dollars and cents arguement then why isn't BB blasted as a failure for not matching Spider-Man? It seems to me that SR failed because a lot of fans reject Singer's take on the francise and Routh as Superman as opposed to every body liking the Nolan/Bale take on Batman.That is fair enough since that's just a question of personal taste.I have said before and I say again that I hope Welling gets the JLA gig.But I waiting for a dollars and cent's reason SR failed and BB was a success

It's not about the gross returns of those particular films, it's about the profit. While you're correct in saying that SR only made $5 million less domestically and slightly more WW than Begins, it also cost $100 million more to make and market. You can bet your arse that if SR made $100 million more it would be getting set to make a sequel right now and we wouldnt be talking about a JLA film at all.

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supershizzle wrote:
blkyank wrote:
Everybody should take heart from the fact that Star Trek,
(a tentpole big effects film with a cast of iconic characters)has not finished casting of it's lead character(Capt Kirk) or important supporting roles like McCoy or Scotty.If an event film due to start filming in a month can continue pre production with out a sense of panic that it will be cancelled,surely we can be confident JLA will be set to role on Feb 11. As for MOS, I just have to point out that if box office returns are being used to show SR failed, then how come that same standard is not applied to Batman Begins which made 205 million as opposed to SR's 200 million? That is hardly Spider-Man like numbers ether. And I have to also point out SR made more globally then BB. It seems to me the case against SR is not really a box office one since BB (featuring Batman,a character as recognizable and more marketable as Superman,)in the big picture didn't make that much more then SR and is getting a sequel.If this is a dollars and cents arguement then why isn't BB blasted as a failure for not matching Spider-Man? It seems to me that SR failed because a lot of fans reject Singer's take on the francise and Routh as Superman as opposed to every body liking the Nolan/Bale take on Batman.That is fair enough since that's just a question of personal taste.I have said before and I say again that I hope Welling gets the JLA gig.But I waiting for a dollars and cent's reason SR failed and BB was a success

It's not about the gross returns of those particular films, it's about the profit. While you're correct in saying that SR only made $5 million less domestically and slightly more WW than Begins, it also cost $100 million more to make and market. You can bet your arse that if SR made $100 million more it would be getting set to make a sequel right now and we wouldnt be talking about a JLA film at all.

SR also took much longer to reach BB numbers

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The Show wrote:
Tayelore wrote:
The lack of news is strange..

the silence before the storm?

Maybe we're in the eye of the hurricane called JLA.

Maybe WB really are making sure there are no leaks and want to put off revealing a largely unknown cast. There has to be leaks at some point though.

Also, they may not have even found them yet or haven't decided.

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I'm gonna break it down using BOM info.

Superman Returns

Production Budget: $270 million (changed from $300M)

Domestic: $200,081,192
+ Foreign: $191,000,000
________________________________
= Worldwide: $391,081,192

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman06.htm

Batman Begins

Production Budget: $150 million

Domestic: $205,343,774
+ Foreign: $166,510,009
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= Worldwide: $371,853,783

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=batmanbegins.htm

yorrick brown

10-12-2007, 10:10 AM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

ok so why does batman get a part 2 so fast.

when superman returns did better

Dead Halloween

10-12-2007, 01:31 PM

Zod?, Again?

Bring Brainiac, or Darkseid.

Tweek

10-12-2007, 01:47 PM

I agree with the Fuck Superman bit. Hate the character. :D

Shockwave

10-12-2007, 04:07 PM

Zod?, Again?

Bring Brainiac, or Darkseid.
Singers constant re-use of scenes and characters is one of the reasons i almost fell asleep in his last SUPERMAN movie.:(

Bring on DOOMSDAY already!:cool:

zombievictim

10-12-2007, 04:14 PM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

ok so why does batman get a part 2 so fast.

when superman returns did better

Wait, what facts are you looking at? The stuff you stated showed Batman did better since SR had twice the budget. :confused:

vesaker

10-12-2007, 04:30 PM

Zod?, Again?

Bring Brainiac, or Darkseid.

just give me someone who can throw down with Super Man damn it :mad: i want to see some fucking property damage man!!

yorrick brown

10-12-2007, 07:02 PM

Wait, what facts are you looking at? The stuff you stated showed Batman did better since SR had twice the budget. :confused:
the reason superman has a bigger budget was because of the costs of all the years and development trying to get a supes movie made.

WebHed

10-12-2007, 07:47 PM

I NEED to see Doomsday on the big screen, leave Zod out. We the people need something fresh in the cinemas, I enjoyed SR but I would like to see someone really badass test ol' Supes for a change.:D

JJFlamingo

10-12-2007, 08:34 PM

Zod could work if he wasn't the MAIN Villian, maybe just a cameo or something...

Le_Big_Mac

10-12-2007, 09:11 PM

Zod is awesome, but it's too soon for him to make a return.

It seems WB has a trend going of making DC comics sequels named after the hero's nickname.

Dead Halloween

10-12-2007, 09:24 PM

Singers constant re-use of scenes and characters is one of the reasons i almost fell asleep in his last SUPERMAN movie.:(

Bring on DOOMSDAY already!:cool:

That's the problem with Singer, he's fan of the old movies, but not of the comics.
I'd be surprised if he even knows who is Doomsday.

sarah1980

10-12-2007, 10:02 PM

all I'll say is...

NO ZOD!!!

The Postmaster General

10-13-2007, 01:59 AM

I'd rather see Donner finishing up all the stuff he wanted to do, or at least a continuation on that theme. The first two Superman movies were great as far as I'm concerned. I'm not sold on the need to reinvent or rehash any part of this franchise. IF they feel the need to do that, I'd rather see them doing that good superman vs. bad superman stuff, or whatever that is that Donner was planning on doing. Ehhh.... Sorry, I just felt Returns fell a bit flat. It had some really cool sequences and Spacey was really cool, but compared to Batman, where I feel like each reinvention holds its own, with Superman Returns I just didn't feel like it was worth it.

bigred760

10-13-2007, 04:37 AM

I wouldn't mind seeing Zod in the second, but he needs to be a cameo. If anything they can set up him being the main villain in the third one (something along the lines of POTC 2). But if Singer does another Supers movie that follows what Donner did, than he was the wrong man for the job to begin with.

zombievictim

10-13-2007, 12:02 PM

the reason superman has a bigger budget was because of the costs of all the years and development trying to get a supes movie made.

Yeah I understand that. But that doesn't make your thoughts that Superman was a bigger success any less wrong. The numbers are right there. They tell all you need to know.

gspawn

10-13-2007, 02:08 PM

all I'll say is...
NO ZOD!!!

:eek:
You are in definace of the laws of the Lord of Planet Houston!
KEEL before Zod! (http://generalzod.net/) Hurry! You may yet have time!

Seriously though, Zod's awesome- I'd love to see him again.
...if Reeves were still Superman, and this was a decade or two ago.
...but with Singer directing? Now? In the emo/pansy era? Not so much.

Also, I have to add:
"I don't wanna see him in the cape. Cape's too faggy."
Anyone here a Kevin Smith fan? I can't hear "Man of Steel" and not think that now.

dennisv

10-13-2007, 02:57 PM

Wow. This is great news. I'm looking forward to seeing Stamp returning as Zod. Fucking awesome.

sarah1980

10-13-2007, 07:20 PM

:eek:
You are in definace of the laws of the Lord of Planet Houston!

no i'm in definace of the laws that say only Terence Stamp is Zod and i seriously doubt he'd be in this film

The Postmaster General

10-14-2007, 02:08 AM

But if Singer does another Supers movie that follows what Donner did, than he was the wrong man for the job to begin with.

Can you expand on that? I'm not sure if your saying you didn't like Donner's storyline, or something else....:confused:

bigred760

10-14-2007, 03:14 AM

Can you expand on that? I'm not sure if your saying you didn't like Donner's storyline, or something else....:confused:

Singer obviously wanted to connect Superman Returns to the Donner movies (including Superman II); I'm fine with all that, but now he's done that and can make a Supes movie that is a Returns sequel, not yet another sequel to a Donner Supes movie. I think making a movie with Zod as the main villain again does the latter and would be a mistake.

yorrick brown

10-14-2007, 04:42 AM

i remember when superman returns rumours started.people were saying jude law was going to play zod.

The Postmaster General

10-14-2007, 05:06 AM

Singer obviously wanted to connect Superman Returns to the Donner movies (including Superman II); I'm fine with all that, but now he's done that and can make a Supes movie that is a Returns sequel, not yet another sequel to a Donner Supes movie. I think making a movie with Zod as the main villain again does the latter and would be a mistake.

I don't necessarily feel like he did a sequel to the first two Superman movies. It felt like those could have never happened and Returns wouldn't have been any different. To me, it felt more like Batman Begins in comparison to Batman '89. There wasn't any tie-in, and I guess that's what's bothering me. With doing another Zod story, and if he is using Stamp, that just seems -- I can't really explain what I'm feeling here. It feels like he's trying to hijack a legacy instead of build on one.

Maybe that's unfair, or too harsh, but I'm just not sold on how Returns was presented. Maybe that doesn't have anything to do with Singer. I don't know. That scene where he stopped the airplane was hella cool. I know that much.

bigred760

10-14-2007, 05:27 AM

I don't necessarily feel like he did a sequel to the first two Superman movies. It felt like those could have never happened and Returns wouldn't have been any different. To me, it felt more like Batman Begins in comparison to Batman '89. There wasn't any tie-in, and I guess that's what's bothering me. With doing another Zod story, and if he is using Stamp, that just seems -- I can't really explain what I'm feeling here. It feels like he's trying to hijack a legacy instead of build on one.

Maybe sequel is not the best word for it, but there were a lot of similarities between Donner's first Superman and Singer's movie. Supes' speech to the plane passengers was very similar to the one he gave Lois in Superman. Not to mention that Lex Luthor was the villain and had the whole "land" thing going.

I got the references and the homage to Donner; Singer has many options for a villain other than Zod. He should go with those I think.

That scene where he stopped the airplane was hella cool. I know that much.

That it was.

Scorpio24

10-14-2007, 10:07 AM

I agree with the Fuck Superman bit. Hate the character. :D

Tweek it's not often you'e right (I kid I kid;)) but you're spot on. I hate Superman. The charcter bothers me. I mean as long as there no cryptonite lying around there is no chance ABSOLUTLEY NO CHANCE of there being any problem that can't be solved.

Got to get somewhere fast? No probs i'll fly.

Got something heavy to move? No probs i'm strong as fuck

Need to look into the ladies changing rooms? No prb i'll do it form across the street.

I mean c'mon.

YORRICK STOP HATING ON BATMAN:mad:

*SHAKES FIST*:mad:

BATMAN RULES ALL.

^^^That is an actual well known fact.

Serious.

JJFlamingo

10-14-2007, 12:31 PM

i remember when superman returns rumours started.people were saying jude law was going to play zod.

another popular rumor I had heard was Anthony Hopkins to play Jor-El...

jolanar

10-14-2007, 01:12 PM

Drop the Superman part and just call it "Man of Steel."

And to Mr. Singer, don't cast famous people just because they are famous. Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor was the worst part of Returns.

yorrick brown

10-14-2007, 08:32 PM

i like batman.

i just don`t see why this movie isn`t been fast tracked for a part 2.singer has said the budget would be smaller and there would be more action.

MisterTwister

10-14-2007, 11:05 PM

Even though I loved Superman Returns I felt Singer had too much of a grip on Donner's Superman films. I want him to see him do more of his own thing for Man of Steel instead of doing a fanboy tribute to Richard Donner. I don't want to see Zod in Man of Steel, this is a sequel not a re-boot like Batman Begins. I want to see Brainiac or Doomsday or someone else, Please!

bigred760

10-14-2007, 11:16 PM

I hate Superman. The charcter bothers me. I mean as long as there no cryptonite lying around there is no chance ABSOLUTLEY NO CHANCE of there being any problem that can't be solved.

What if the problem isn't human, like in Superman II? There are plenty of ways to make Superman interesting, like fighting a villain from his own planet, or some other alien. That could make for some kickass action, especially since another weakness of his is his love for humans, when bad guys usually do not.

i just don`t see why this movie isn`t been fast tracked for a part 2.singer has said the budget would be smaller and there would be more action.

It hasn't been fast tracked because 1)it wasn't very successful and 2)Singer went off to direct Tom Cruise in a movie about Nazis.

The Postmaster General

10-15-2007, 01:54 AM

Maybe sequel is not the best word for it, but there were a lot of similarities between Donner's first Superman and Singer's movie. Supes' speech to the plane passengers was very similar to the one he gave Lois in Superman. Not to mention that Lex Luthor was the villain and had the whole "land" thing going.

I got the references and the homage to Donner; Singer has many options for a villain other than Zod. He should go with those I think.

You made me realize I need to see the original Superman again - honestly haven't seen it all through since early-80s... Yikes!

I'd actually, though, watched Superman II The Donner Cut the night before posting in this thread. It really impressed me again.

I get what Scorpio is saying about Supes seemingly having no real conflict. A lot of people I know make that complaint. He IS Superman, afterall, so no problem. I tend to disagree, because to me, the real interest of Superman is seeing him as Clark Kent, trying to hide his identity, make it in society getting Lois to notice him and not Superman, for instance... The secret identity stuff is cool, IMO, and I think that's why I liked Superman 2 so much. I really would like to see Singer or someone remake Superman 3, or at least the idea of a good and bad superman - not necessarily Bizzaro, but hell - that'd be better than seeing him take on Zod again.

My favorite Superman character has always been Mr. Mytzlplyx (sp?) --- I don't really call him a villan, but next to Bizzaro, that's the type of person I'd like to introduced into the film franchise. Every comic book movie resorts to good vs. evil, and I'd like to see more of day-in-the-life type thing, I guess.

yorrick brown

10-15-2007, 02:00 AM

I get what Scorpio is saying about Supes seemingly having no real conflict. A lot of people I know make that complaint. He IS Superman, afterall, so no problem. I tend to disagree, because to me, the real interest of Superman is seeing him as Clark Kent, trying to hide his identity, make it in society getting Lois to notice him and not Superman, for instance... The secret identity stuff is cool, .

the real conflict is for superman is to tell lois lane who he really is.

bigred760

10-15-2007, 02:36 AM

One of the few things I liked about Superman Returns was the notion that Superman was alone in the world. That something that is touched upon a lot in "Smallville" and is a good subplot for any Supes movie.

The fact that he is alone, different, and unsure of his past (several things that are touched upon in the first Superman, moreso in the director's cut - which I own on DVD :D). I believe this to be Superman's main conflict.

Another thing I like about Superman is what Bill (in Kill Bill) mentions about him; the fact that while all superheroes wear a mask while being the hero; Superman wears a "mask" to hide being a superhero - as Clark Kent.

The Postmaster General

10-15-2007, 02:52 AM

Exactly. It's no doubt physically he kicks all sort of ass, but I think at an emotional root, Superman really has bigger issues than Batman. From a psychological standpoint, I'd say Superman has more demons to deal with, it's just that he's a boyscout about all of it and it doesn't motivate him in the way it does with Wayne. He doesn't wear his psyhosis on his sleeve. I think he's a bit more adjusted, you could say.

Superman has many more traumatic risk factors if you were going to build a psychological profile. For starters, doesn't he have to deal with the death of two sets of parental figures? The loss of his entire civilization? The only beings in the world who are like him want him dead? Kicking ass, or not, that's some heavy stuff to deal with. It's not Superman's fault he does it with stride.

yorrick brown

10-15-2007, 03:26 AM

ii think in smallville they touch upon him been a outsider.

like how they ma and pa kent wouldn`t let him play sports as they were scared he would hurt the other kids.

but i like superman,like in superman returns how he goes and has a drink off beer with jimmy to fit in

Shockwave

10-15-2007, 05:42 AM

I actualy loved the actor and character of Superman in RETURNS, its the movies script that was boring as fuck.

luthor makes another land grab? check.

Supes saves Lois from falling to her death? check. (...This time it was a plane rather then a helicopter! original!)

Superman pulls a deed off at the end of the movie that is pretty much impossible in every way? check. (..;a little bit of kryptonite sends him to his knees and almost kills him, but he can lift an islands worth of it into space? CMON!)

...and all thats aside from the fact that the movie just drug to me. Really boring overall.

Scorpio24

10-15-2007, 06:04 AM

Superman pulls a deed off at the end of the movie that is pretty much impossible in every way? check. (..;a little bit of kryptonite sends him to his knees and almost kills him, but he can lift an islands worth of it into space? CMON!)

...and all thats aside from the fact that the movie just drug to me. Really boring overall.

That's the bit that smashed the donkeys back for me. I just can't take it seriuosly even as a cartoon charcter after that.

I understand what everyone is saying in that human side of Superman (Kent) and his loneliness is more interesting. And i'd agree. His effots at making Lane see him and not Superman is the only thing that brings people back I believe.

Otherwise it's just like watching a Michael Bay creation.

Tagia_Romero

10-15-2007, 06:17 AM

Superman is not a favourite character of mine by any means *I know what he is supposed to represent, I'm not arguing that he is pointless in the things that he is a figurehead of*, and frankly, I can think of better comic characters that deserve their own adaptations *done correctly, mind you*.

All the same though, for what it's worth I did enjoy what Singer did with 'SR'. I was never truly bored with it, but I definitely noticed it's length *it was the same story the first time I watched 'Fellowship of the Ring'*, but other than that, it could have been a lot worse, all things considered.
You could tell the project was a little more personal to Singer and he handled it with enough sensitivity and tongue-in-cheek as to not make it blatantly obnoxious. Plus, he has proved that he can direct a pretty solid comic franchise *let's just say in this instance X3 did not happen and everybody is waiting for Singer to climb aboard*. He has a good balance between maturity and fanboy just like what Nolan possesses for his re-jigging of Batman.

XCoRyX

10-15-2007, 06:36 AM

Some random customer gave me a bootleg (VERY good quality) of Superman Returns back when I worked at Hollywood Video a while back.And I still haven't even watched it. For some reason I seem to have no interest in Supe's.

vesaker

10-15-2007, 10:17 AM

another popular rumor I had heard was Anthony Hopkins to play Jor-El...

aww did Brando's corpse want to much money to make another apperance?

Shockwave

10-15-2007, 04:03 PM

The sad thing is, when done right, i love Supermans character.

Theres so much u can do with the character. So many places he can go and things he can do.

EXPLORE SOME OF THAT SINGER! STOP REHASHING THE OLD MOVIES!

Give Supes some real earth shattering choices to make. Should he protect humanity or let them grow on thier own? Are they depending on him too much for thier own good? Taking him for granted?

Explore his darker side abit. With all that power, would he ever take over for the overall betterment of mankind?

What about the speech Gordon gave BATMAN at the end of BEGINS about escalation? (..great speech!) Is by merely being on earth does he give rise to bigger threats to humanity? Bring on the super powerd freaks!

Hell, bring on DOOMSDAY, that Supes HAS TO GO ALL OUT in a way that weve NEVER seen before EVER in any movie. Im talking all out crazy-ill kill u! stuff that he HAS TO DO to kill this monster. To protect humanity. Superman has to kill.

Then when its all over, they can bring on my second fav Supes villian. THE CYBORG. ( Hank Henshaw)

bonoferox

10-15-2007, 04:50 PM

Sean Bean as Metallo.

Lord Raiden

10-15-2007, 10:35 PM

I'm with jolanar...just drop the Superman from the title.
Unlike other monikers, everyone knows the "Man of Steel".

the clever guy

10-16-2007, 12:41 AM

i think superman should be facing some really heavy shit. lex luthor at this point should become a second rate villian...his time is tried and true, now we need something more to the story. sure, we can keep lex onboard, but lex is only human and i think everyone here can agree that supes battling a human has been seen enough times already (but a damn genius one at that!). i want to see buildings fall, people under extreme danger (can supes save them in time?). i want to see supes in a such a position that he becomes something people regret having on earth. maybe a situation that supes cant get to in time and the people of got....i mean, err, metropolis (sorry, bats on the mind) find it hard to forgive him for. leaving the world wasnt enough. some seriously heavy shit need to go down. bring on zod. i say let him fuck the world up....the WORLD...not just metropolis! bring on doomsday...bring on metallo...bring on parasite....bring the fuck on bizarro! just bring it the fuck on already!

for the record....i did love SR! :D:D:D

yorrick brown

10-16-2007, 08:10 AM

i think the 3rd movie should be called 'death of superman' and he fights doomsday.

plus you can rag on the ending of supes returns buts it could of had this scene from superman 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKjOqHtmKDE

GodMagnus

10-17-2007, 04:31 PM

bigred760

10-18-2007, 10:37 PM

That's the thing the annoyed me with SR. There is a HUGE cast of villians for Superman and what does singer come up with? Remake of Superman 1!
Why not bizzaro, Metallo or maybe an antagonist like Lobo? Braniac made it into Smallville, why not try him or even Mongul?(who was in the video game) Or even the powerhouse that is Doomsday or Darksied? So many choices for Singer to go with but he did a remake instead! ENOUGH with Lex Luthor, do NOT bring Zod back. It's been done and it's time Superman face someone different.

I don't think bringing back Lex Luthor was entirely a mistake; after all, he is Superman's number one nemesis. And I think Singer wanted to establish a connection between SR and the first two Superman movies with Reeve.

But I agree that bringing back Zod would be too much; with all the technology, CGI, and special effects - he could pull off a more elaborate and dangerous villain.

soda

10-19-2007, 08:31 PM

quick Superman thoughts:

- I, unlike many, many posters on this site, DO NOT want to see Doomsday as a Superman villian in any of the movies ever. If you want your doomsday fix, then be sure to check out the "death of superman" animated DVD that's coming out soon (if it isn't out already). You want to know one of the things that surprises me about chatting with movie fans on this site? A) how many of you want to see Black Mask in a Batman movie (and I've gotten up on my soapbox and pontificated about why that's a horrible idea at lenght, so I won't rehash here) and B) how many of you want to see Doomsday in a Superman movie (that's another horrible idea, which I'll explain in this post).

Here's why Doomsday is a horrible idea. Doomsday is a product of a very different era in comics than the one that we have now, or even the one that's the subject of most of the movies you guys are seeing (most comic material in mainstream media is based on the Silver Age, which was 1960-85). Doomsday was a villian who was created soley for one reason: to kill Superman. That was it. He's a one trick pony, and in all the years that have passed from his initial introduction to today, that's the only story anyone ever recalls. But you know what? The thing is mainstream people THINK that the death of Superman story is a classic, it ISN'T. It's not that good a tale, it's the standard villian-comes-to-earth-and-punches-his-way-to-the-top-story. DragonBall Z perfected this tale, think Cell, or Majun Buu, that's what doomsday is, a one dimensional character with no depth, no bearing, and no reason for being that couldn't have been accomplished by another character already in the DCU.

So, why does everyone think the story is a classic if it isn't? Because Doomsday came around in the mid-90s. The fact that people remember the story is more about comics back then and that era than anything else. It was a dark time, sales had plummeted, and publishers were throwing out all the stops to make a buck in an industry that was in the tank. Don't believe me? See for yourself, this comic book could have only come out in that era:

http://members.tripod.com/originalvigilante/archiemeetspunisher/img010.jpg

The crossover mania was rampant, the shallow story telling was rampant at the time. Here's the thing, everyong has Superman #75, the issue where Doomsday did the deed, and people ask comic book people like me all the time to buy that issue. You know what I tell them? "Sure, I'll buy it, if you can also sell me Superman #76." Get the idea? That's WHY the death of Superman ISN'T a classic, everyone has #75, but no one has #76 or #74. "Why would I want #76" they ask, "#75 is the cool one, that's the one everyone knows." If you do a Doomsday movie, there would be little point to it, the death of superman is more about the death of superman and how people around the world reacted to it than it is about Doomsday being a particularly good, or interesting, villian (which he isn't). As for me, I say bring on a villian who is three dimensional evil, and who can also do everything Doomsday can: Darkseid.

-Lex Luthor. This is a tricky. I like Kevin Spacey, as an actor, but I disliked his portrayal of Lex, except for a few bright spots, Spacey's Lex reminded me too much of Hackman's Lex, and I really, really hate Hackman's Lex. What makes this particularly irksome is that the PERFECT lex luthor is out there, and on television every single week. I allude to michael Rosenbaum's Lex Luthor on Smallville, he's not only perfect, but Rosenbaum's lex is even better than the one I read about in the comics. Back in the 60s and 70s, Lex was a supervillian/mad scientist, then, in 1986, John Brynes rebooted Superman in "Man of Steel", and gave us the corporate tycoon/politician version of Lex. Rosenbaum is everything Brynes wanted Lex to be, but which he, and succesive writers over the last twenty years, could never make Lex into: Subtle, truly evil, and a match for Superman. I guess that just goes to show what you get when you have two of the best modern comic book writers on your payroll (Mark Verhedein and Jeph Loeb write for Smallville)

yorrick brown

10-22-2007, 12:17 AM

Variety had the details,
Superman needs some ideas for what his next adventure might be.
"Superman Returns" scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris have opted not to come back and pen a sequel to the 2006 summer pic that would have reunited them with helmer Bryan Singer. The three also worked together on "X2: X-Men United."

As a result, WB is now taking pitches for Supe's next outing from other scribes -- just as the studio is trying to figure out which actor will don the character's tights in "Justice League."

WB reps said the next film will in fact be a sequel and not a reboot although the idea of Superman's son was not well received. The trade continues and says that Superman star Brandon Routh will return to reprise the role and not go the way of Universal's Hulk with new star Edward Norton taking the lead.

so is that good news or not?.i mean dark knight has different writers right?.so does hulk 2.

might be a good thing

APzombie

10-22-2007, 12:27 AM

i mean dark knight has different writers right?.so does hulk 2.

might be a good thing

Dark Knight lost David Goyer (Blade 1,2,3) and gained Jonathan Nolan (The Prestige)

I'd say it is a great thing for The Dark Knight, still up in the air for Incredible Hulk.

I think this is a good thing, since WB is listening to the reaction of Superman Returns, maybe they will hire writers who arn't just interesting in sucking Donner's cinematic cock.

Brendan M.

10-22-2007, 12:36 AM

Braniac made it into Smallville. Not just Brainiac. They also had Zod and recently Bizzaro. They've also explored the character a helluva lot better than Superman Returns.

yorrick brown

10-22-2007, 12:36 AM

i argee the superman kid idea was just padding and didn`t work.

so i guess like spiderman 4,hulk 2 etc etc fresh writers and ideas is a good thing

JJFlamingo

10-22-2007, 12:58 AM

yes try to make it different with a fresh villain and new conflict every time it will be good...

yorrick brown

10-22-2007, 06:37 PM

i like this news:D

Comic Book writer Mark Millar (Wanted, Ultimate Avengers) has just posted an interesting tidbit on his forums:

It's 8.58am right now, my guys at CAA get into the office in about seven hours and my call will be waiting for them to talk about this. I want to revamp Superman like Hillary wants thin ankles. Revamping this franchise is what I as given fingers for and so, invited or not, I'm putting my plan together now. I've been asked to work on half a dozen screenplays lately, but this is the only one I have ever truly wanted.

As most here know, I have literally hundreds of pages of notes and sketches just waiting for this opportunity. This would be my dream gig and, as a fan, I know exactly what this project needs to work. This has to be Superman for the 21st Century, keeping everything we adore, but starting from scratch and making the kids love it as much as the 30-somethings. I would honestly write this thing for free.

Anyway, my treatment is being polished as we type. Wish me luck. I want to do that Superman movie we all want to see.

MM

I for one don’t think that WB is going to green light any Superman project until after the release of Justice League of America and after the pending lawsuit that studio faces due to the disputed rights to character with the Siegel family.

Big Boss

10-22-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally quoted by bonoferox
Sean Bean as Metallo.
Thank you! I think Metallo would be a great villain! He's easy to do, his back story could be done in one movie and he can hang with Superman.
http://captain.custard.org/league/graphics/characters/metallo.jpg
Metallo's original story:
"John Corben was originally a journalist (and secretly a thief and murderer) who had just committed what he thought was the perfect murder. While fleeing from the scene of the crime, Corben suffered a near-fatal accident that mangled his body beyond repair. However, elderly scientist Professor Vale happened upon Corben, and used his scientific skill to transfer Corben's brain into a robotic body covered by a fleshlike artificial skin. However, Corben discovered that his power source, a capsule of uranium, would only last a day, but was told by Vale that kryptonite would provide him an indefinite power supply.

After obtaining a job with the Daily Planet, Corben briefly tried to romance Lois Lane, while deciding that he'd use his powers to eliminate Superman, the one person who might expose his criminal deeds. After setting a kryptonite death-trap for Superman, Corben stole what he thought was another sample of kryptonite from a museum as a new power supply, not knowing it was in reality a fake prop; this mistake caused him to die. Superman eventually escaped from the kryptonite trap. "

Metallo's Modern storyline:
After John Byrne rewrote Superman's origins in the 1986 miniseries Man of Steel, Metallo was also given an altered backstory.

In the current version, John Corben was a small-time con man who was fatally injured in a car crash, but to his luck Professor Emmet Vale happened to pass by. Professor Vale was a pioneer in robotics, and erroneously believed that Superman was the first in a wave of superpowered Kryptonian invaders. Vale transplanted Corben's brain into a robotic body, which was powered by a two-pound chunk of kryptonite, and instructed him to kill Superman. Metallo—the alloy his body was made of, and now Corben's new moniker—thanked Vale by snapping his neck, killing him.

Despite ignoring Vale's commands, Metallo came into conflict with Superman on various occasions, in large part to his continued activities as a petty thug. Metallo later lost his kryptonite heart to Lex Luthor, though back-up life support systems allowed Metallo to reactivate himself and escape. He remained a thorn in Superman's side, and due to his sheer power no other superhero save Superman could quickly and effectively handle him. Metallo later received a major upgrade via an unholy bargain with the demon Neron. As a result, Metallo was now able to morph his body into any mechanical shape he could imagine (turning his hands into guns or "growing" a jet-pack from his back) and project his consciousness into any technological or metallic device. As Superman and others learned on various occasions, the most effective way to neutralize Metallo was to remove his (largely invulnerable) head and isolate it from other metallic items.

yorrick brown

10-22-2007, 10:30 PM

metallo ah,the man of steel vs the man of metal:).

this will never happen but i can dream right,and plus his movie in development hell but superman vs

SHAZAM

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s105/ghots72/Shazam01.jpg

played by' the rock' of course

Brendan M.

10-23-2007, 12:21 AM

I wonder if WB would seriously consider revamping the whole series while at the same time recasting Brandon Routh.

Shockwave

10-23-2007, 09:08 AM

I wonder if WB would seriously consider revamping the whole series while at the same time recasting Brandon Routh.

I would.

Despite what i thought of the movie, he gave a great performance as both Supes and Kent.

ilovemovies

10-23-2007, 09:43 AM

Shockwave

10-23-2007, 12:45 PM

I thought Routh did a better job as Supes than as Clark. His performance as Clark too often felt like he was trying to imitate Christopher Reeves turn in the Supes movies. But he was good as Supes.

I hope Spacey is back Lex. He was so freaking awesome in Superman Returns.

I thought the cast all did a wonderful job, the problem was just that the movie was boring as fuck.

"been there, done that" from beginning to end.:(

Id much rather Singer come back and whip the X-men series back into shape then do another one of these.

ilovemovies

10-23-2007, 12:48 PM

I agree with the whole cast did a wonderful job part of your post.

But I loved Superman Returns. Infact, I even liked it better than the original Superman movie which has aged as well as I thought I did. I saw it again a while back ago and was suprised that it's kind of dated a little. That makes me want to see Superman II to see if that hasn't aged well either because I remember loving both movies. But I think Bryan Singer did a fantastic job with Superman Returns. I think it's a genuinly great movie.

the clever guy

10-23-2007, 01:40 PM

Dark Knight lost David Goyer (Blade 1,2,3) and gained Jonathan Nolan (The Prestige)

ummm, david goyer still oversees most everything written for the dark knight. technically, he wasn't "lost."

anyways, marc millar is a great addition to having him write the next movie. millar is an awesome writer. batman begins and the man of steel are how comic movies should be done....WITH COMIC BOOK WRITERS WRITING THE FUCKING SCRIPTS!!!!;)

Brendan M.

10-23-2007, 04:50 PM

Donner's Superman movie is one of my all time favorites. I don't find it dated at all. That's like calling Star Wars dated in my opinion.

Well.... Okay I guess Star Wars is dated. They used a TV switchboard for the controls on the Death Star.

bigred760

10-23-2007, 11:07 PM

Donner's Superman movie is one of my all time favorites. I don't find it dated at all. That's like calling Star Wars dated in my opinion.

I agree; Superman still holds up after 29 years, Superman II also. Great story, great acting and directing, and the special effects don't look dated at all.

bonoferox

10-24-2007, 07:16 PM

Brendan M.

10-24-2007, 08:40 PM

Did everyone hear already that Millar got turned down for being a Marvel guy?

soda

10-25-2007, 09:14 PM

I'm in the minority of the people who loved Superman Returns. After the threat we were faced with from the 90s through Ratner almost getting it (Chris Rock as Jimmy Olsen, effeminate robot sidekick of Brainiac, Superman in a black costume with "S"-Symbol daggers, Luthor being an alien, aerial kung-fu battles, etc), I was very impressed with how Singer handled the project. I really didn't see it so much as trying to imitate Donner as much as I saw him staying true to what the character is. I just thought it was fantastic and can't wait for the sequel.

But again, I want Metallo.

(Also, I finally get to see the Donner film on the big screen in just a couple of weeks and I'm stoked :) )

I might be in the minority here too, but I thought Superman Returns was a pretty good flick too. I had problems with it, for one, I'm not particularly fond of the Donner-verse, it's just one version of the man of steel, and IMHO, not the definitive one, by any means. I'm all for getting some people who write comics on a daily basis, and who know what the heart of these characters are, than some hollywood screenwriter who has no passion and little interest. To that end, the news that Millar is going to make a pitch is only a good thing. I thought his last major project, Civil War, was "meh".

Personally, I don't see why Hollywood doesn't reach out to comic-book writers even more often than they do. You want a kick-ass Superman movie? Get guys like Johns, Waid, Loeb, Millar and co. to work on the project. Pull all the resources you can. One thing I totally and completely believe is Millar's statement that he would write the movie for free. I might not think that highly of him, but many, many fans do, especially post-civil war. With his health problems, there's no reason for Millar to stay a comic book writer, other than he's one of those guys who has a burning passion for the medium (he entered comics, as a writer, in the mid-90s, when the industry was in the dumpster and everyone with talent wanted to get as far away from comics as possible. The fact that he's made it should show you the depth of both his passion and his talent).

yorrick brown

10-27-2007, 01:32 AM

man of steel news

from iesb

Like I have said in the past, Jeff Robinov and Dan Lin are not a fans of Superman Returns and there was initial thought that if a Bale/Routh Justice League film was done it would help re-invigorate the Superman Franchise and set up a return of a Bryan Singer directed The Man of Steel.

There was interest from the WB people to use Bryan Singer since he signed his very lucrative deal to direct the sequel. If he gets fired from TMOS, WB will have to pay him a lot of money. If he quits from the TMOS then they don’t have to pay him squat.

Something else to think about, does WB really want to piss off Bryan Singer considering that he has been asked to testify in the Superman/Siegel/WB lawsuit? I think not.

wheres the love between WB and singer,hug that shit out bitches

ps:soda i loved superman returns

yorrick brown

10-30-2007, 10:06 PM

In an exclusive interview we conducted today we got actor Kevin Spacey, to give us the scoop on the Superman Returns sequel as well as those nasty little Justice League of America rumors! Take a look...

Can you give us the scoop on Superman Returns 2?

Kevin Spacey: There are no developments right now. I know as much as the rest of the world knows.

So there are no plans to go into production?

Kevin Spacey: Not that I knows of. I'm signed to do it, but I don't know anything about the storyline or the shooting schedule at this point.

What about these Justice League of America rumors? Are you going to be involved in the film?

Kevin Spacey: Though I've heard the same rumors, no one has approached me about this.

god it must suck doing interviews with stars about upcoming movies

JJFlamingo

10-31-2007, 01:20 AM

Spacey doesn't know anything, so it's probably not happening...

bigred760

10-31-2007, 02:15 AM

So, in other words, there's nothing new on the sequel front.

bonoferox

10-31-2007, 10:23 PM

My guess,
Brainiac will be the villain (along with Luthor). Jason will get killed which will send Superman into a rampage, almost becoming a Doomsday type cahracter in himeslf as he fights Brainiac in the city, not caring if civilians are hurt.

yorrick brown

03-10-2008, 07:46 PM

IESB.NET

Bryan Singer is 100% on the sequel to his 2004 revamp Superman Returns. He has since confirmed this with studio sources so take this one to the bank.

But, with Superman Returns writers Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris out, who will be penning the film?

Word is Transformers/Star Trek scribes Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman will be behind the project. This gives Superman fans hope after Returns' mild disappointment amongst fan boys. The pair are apparently in talks and have had "several meetings" regarding the film. No need to worry about a lack of action from these two!

bigred760

03-10-2008, 08:20 PM

Good. I thought Singer did a good job with the first, and if X2 is any indication, a second Supes movie should be great. I hope they go a different route than Superman vs. Lex Luthor (i.e. bring Doomsday or Brainiac in). I hope all the main cast members return as well . . . I have little doubt Routh will be back, but Spacey and the rest should be a must also.

Lord Raiden

03-10-2008, 10:16 PM

This is spectacular news. Singer and Routh did an amazing job the first time around. Get the principle cast back together bring in a new villian and it could end up being even better than the first one (Which is my fave comic book movie of all time).

Shockwave

03-11-2008, 04:16 AM

As much as i hated the first one(stop re-telling old stories!), im excited to see Supes again.

Im hoping this will be another X2 for Singer.

yorrick brown

03-11-2008, 10:19 PM

Empire magazine spoke with Bryan Singer on directing a sequel to Superman:

"That movie made $400 million!" Singer says incredulously. "I don’t know what constitutes under-performing these days...Look, I can understand, I suppose, what some people mean. Perhaps some people went in with the expectation of it being like an X-Men film, and Superman is a tougher character than that. Especially bringing him back. It really goes back to the fact that you can only please some of the people some of the time. But, yes, I’m just getting back with writers after the strike. We’re just in the development phase. I’m starting to develop a sequel...with the intention of directing it."

Click HERE for the rest of the article.

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=22165

The first one was a romantic film and a nostalgic film,” he says. “I’ll be the first person to own up to that without making any apologies for it. I knew it was going to be that from the outset. And now that the characters are established, there’s really an opportunity to up the threat levels...Clearly there’ll be a body count [laughs]. From frame one, it will be unrelenting terror! All those teenage girls who found the movie and mooned over James Marsden or Brandon? Well, I’m going to wake them up!” He may be joking about the unrelenting terror.

Meanwhile, the guys at CHUD have what they say is solid info on who ISN'T writing the sequel to Superman:

I just happen to know who isn't writing The Man of Steel. Here's a partial list:

Lorenzo Semple Jr.
Michael Chabon
Harold Pinter
Dog, The Bounty Hunter
Aristophanes
Joe Gillis
Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman

Personally, I would love to see Dog the Bounty Hunter's take on Superman. Maybe he'd give Supes a supermullet!

yorrick brown

03-31-2008, 02:57 PM

dead?

from chud.com

Last week a landmark decision was handed down in the long simmering legal battle between Warner Bros (and DC Comics) and the heirs of Jerry Siegel, one of the creators of Superman: Siegel's widow and daughter have finally become joint copyright holders with DC and friends (let's just call them Warner Bros from here on in).

Before getting to what this might mean for Superman in the movies, it's worth noting the main irony here: this decision was facilitated by big corporations like Warner Bros. Back in the 70s Congress fucked with copyright law in a pretty major way to help the big boys - like WB and Disney - hold on to their famous characters and keep them from public domain, where they rightfully should be by now. The Copyright Act of 1976 gave creators a shot at getting back rights, something that Judge Stephen G Larson, the guy handing down the Superman decision, says was to make up for the 'unequal bargaining position of authors, resulting in part from the impossibility of determining a work’s prior value until it has been exploited.'

The decision may mean that WB owes the Siegel's cuts from all Superman profits from 1999 on (excluding foreign profits). It also means that it's quite possible that in 2013 the entire Superman copyright will be out of Warner Bros' hands, as Joe Shuster's estate takes the other half.

The Siegels don't get the copyright to everything, just the elements as portrayed in Action Comics #1; Superman's powers and most of his friends and villains premiered after that, but the name, the costume and Clark Kent and Lois Lane are, pending a Warner Bros appeal, now co-owned.

So what does that all mean? There's certainly going to be an appeal by Warner Bros, so for the moment it means nothing. It's worth noting, though, that DC took Superboy out of commission when the Siegel's won their case over that copyright - could Final Crisis be Superman's swan song for the near future (almost certainly not, since the next weekly DC series is called Trinity and focuses on Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman). I imagine we'll see Superman comics being produced for the foreseeable future.

But what about on the movie side of things? Superman's had a dark cloud over his head at Warner Bros for some time now, as the latest movie took a decade (and lots of expense) to get going and then turned out to not be the kind of earner the studio wanted. There's a lot of talking about a sequel, but the studio has remained very cautious about it, and no real forward movement has happened over the last year. The truth is that Warner Bros is trying to figure out if the character of Superman is one who can be profitable, and if half the profits are going to have to go to the Siegels, all of a sudden the idea of spending a whole lot of money on his next film seems a lot less attractive.

Nobody knows what's going to happen, but if I had to guess I'd say that this further cools Warner Bros' interest in a Man of Steel movie. Even if they could get the film made and out before the final ruling on the case, if it all falls for the Siegels WB will still have to share the profits*. The same, by the way, would go for the Justice League movie. If the rumors about Superman being written out of the film are true, they're probably even truer after the ruling.

What I found most interesting about the whole ruling from a comic book movie point of view, though, is that Judge Larson has expressed concern about a 'sweetheart deal' between Time Warner subsidiary DC Comics and Warner Bros. Has Warner Bros licensed Superman for a rate that's below his worth? If this was followed up on, things could get really interesting - I've long held that the big problem for DC Comics is that all of their characters are stuck at one studio. If the folks at Warner Bros don't understand Character X, the character can't be shopped to other studios that might. And even if Warner Bros 'got' every character, they certainly don't want a slate of only DC Comics movies. Marvel's ability to shop their self-financed films to other studios for distribution is why they're getting down to the C-level characters.

*I'm not taking into account the evils of studio accounting, although the Siegels seem so litigious WB may be afraid to play accounting games with them.

yorrick brown

03-31-2008, 10:08 PM

ok my bad,not dead?

spacey talks

He said: “I believe they are in talks at the moment. I have actually already signed up to do it. So if they decide to go ahead with it and they still want me, then I will definitely be in it.”

Kevin also said he loved starring in the film alongside Brandon Routh, who played the ‘Man of Steel’, and Kate Bosworth.

He added: “I absolutely loved it. One of the reasons I signed up to do it was because I wanted to work with Bryan Singer again, who I worked with on ‘The Usual Suspects’ in 1995, because I think he is an absolute genius.”

Lord Raiden

03-31-2008, 10:16 PM

I really hope this gets made and Singer can make it into a franchise again. It's crucial to get the main cast back, despite who the writers are. I also think a CGI villian like Darkseid or Doomesday would be excellent if they can pull off the visuals. And Singer will make sure there's a great story to go along with it.

yorrick brown

03-31-2008, 10:19 PM

part 3 should be death of superman oohhh.

hey you like kate bosworth as lois lane,i loved her as lois.

Lord Raiden

03-31-2008, 10:23 PM

With all due respect to Margot Kidder, I fucking love Kate Bosworth's Lois Lane. Yeah she can be a bitch but she's just so damn sexy at it, I really could care less. And Lois actually saved Supes for once in the movies.
I really hope she comes back...I don't want to see someone else in the role.

Part 3 as the Death of Supes? What something along the lines of an EMPIRE STRIKES BACK cliffhanger?

yorrick brown

03-31-2008, 10:34 PM

yorrick brown

04-23-2008, 07:15 AM

UPDATES

Brandon routh says he hopes to be shooting Superman: Man of Steel early next year .

AND

Thomas Tull, founder, chairman and CEO of Legendary Pictures (the company behind Batman Begins, Superman Returns and 300), told Hamilton students on April 17 that the Superman Returns sequel, Superman: Man of Steel, will present Superman as more of “an angry god”.

castlesave

04-23-2008, 11:16 AM

i dont think a movie will ever end with superman dead. not in the day of selling action figures and halloween costumes. studio would never go for it.

a7xfan

04-23-2008, 12:28 PM

i dont think a movie will ever end with superman dead. not in the day of selling action figures and halloween costumes. studio would never go for it.

yeah, but keep in mind batman begins and the dark knight, both are darker takes, and hardly 'kiddie-friendly' but still sell merch like hotcakes.

oh btw wtf is so special about hotcakes?

castlesave

04-24-2008, 11:53 AM

both darker takes, but with the good guy winning.

im not sure what the alure of hotcakes is but its obviously a boomin industry

Solomon Grundy

06-28-2008, 11:24 PM

What's everyone's take on...

-Mark Millar's campaign to reinvent the franchise
-the odds of getting a proper sequel to Superman Returns w/ the main players (save Doughtery & Harris, obviously) involved
-the timeframe for the next Superman movie, whether it be Man of Steel or a reboot
-whether we'll hear any official word from the suits during next month's Comic-Con regarding the series' status

?

Mr. Fred Krueger

06-29-2008, 03:11 AM

Mark Millar hasn't got a chance. They turned down his pitch, so his claim of having a director/producer set up is a bunch of bull shit. I'd say we'll hear something by the time Valkyrie is released.

Superplasmatron

06-29-2008, 03:29 AM

Mark Millar hasn't got a chance. They turned down his pitch, so his claim of having a director/producer set up is a bunch of bull shit. I'd say we'll hear something by the time Valkyrie is released.

It will never be released, mwuh ha ha ha

Smiert Spionam

06-29-2008, 12:43 PM

Well, to be fair, WB only turned down his pitch because of his previous establishment as more of a Marvel guy, which goes against their "policy" of not hiring boys working for the competition.....

Brendan M.

06-29-2008, 12:59 PM

Well, to be fair, WB only turned down his pitch because of his previous establishment as more of a Marvel guy, which goes against their "policy" of not hiring boys working for the competition.....

Which I thought was kind of weird since they hired the guy who directed the first two X-Men movies to direct Superman Returns but refused Millar for being a Marvel guy.

Smiert Spionam

06-29-2008, 02:14 PM

Which I thought was kind of weird since they hired the guy who directed the first two X-Men movies to direct Superman Returns but refused Millar for being a Marvel guy.

Well, Bryan Singer did the two X-men films for FOX studios. Though it was a Marvel project, Singer worked for and was paid by FOX. Millar actually worked FOR Marvel, and virtually built his career there, pretty much birthing most of their Ultimate titles (The Ultimates, Ultimate X-men, Ultimate FF, etc). Its different hiring a director over and an actual comic writer for the competition....

thommie343

06-29-2008, 02:49 PM

I am a fan of Superman. But not of Superman Returns.

For me one of Superman’s biggest conflicts was trying to win Lois Lane as Clark. Which created a neat little love triangle, that only Clark aka Superman and us the reader new about.

Then you go and throw in the guy who played Cyclops. Jeez one love triangle to the next for this actor.

I don’t know him and the super toddler a little unnecessary.

So for me this movie would need more Superman/Clark struggle within himself and a whole lot more action. Someone who he can fight and no so easly beat.

Mr. Fred Krueger

06-29-2008, 04:10 PM

Well, to be fair, WB only turned down his pitch because of his previous establishment as more of a Marvel guy, which goes against their "policy" of not hiring boys working for the competition.....

That's pretty much Millar's cover story. The fellers over at Superherohype pretty much confirmed everyone's suspicions that WB just did not care for his pitch (that, and there are many in the company still in favor of a sequel and not a reboot). Millar's take on Superman is extremely deviant (he views Lois as whorey, and feels that Superman doesn't really love Lois) and thus isn't something that interested the studio.

Singer and Routh have both said that they have yet unnamed writers working on the script for Man of Steel, and with Valkyrie still in post Bryan can't exactly jump on board MOS quite yet. So I would say that we'll hear whether or not WB will go forward with the film later this year (hell, if we're optimistic, maybe after TDK breaks records) and go on to begin filming early '09 for a Summer '10 release.

Muta

06-29-2008, 07:35 PM

I liked Superman Returns (except for Supes having a kid). I think they need to go in another direction, enough of Luthor. I want to see Superman doing more punching and less blowing.

Jig Saw 123

06-29-2008, 07:41 PM

Hopefully the sequel will show a darker side to the man of steel. I hope the villain will be one who challenges Superman mentally and physically, the story should be more fast paced and not long and drawn out.

TheCanadian

06-29-2008, 08:43 PM

the clever guy

06-30-2008, 12:07 AM

possible spoilers (for those who have been living caves):

i say they kill the fucking kid. show that "angry god" that everyones talking about...all the while showing that "happy fanbase" once again. albeit i loved SR...i fucking HATED that kid! not only was it pointless, but the kid was annoying, stupid, cinematically ugly, and a fucking waste.

Mr. Fred Krueger

06-30-2008, 12:39 AM

while we're on the topic...does DC have any plans of eventually releasing a JLA movie to (not timewise, obviously, but) stand against The Avengers...

Bats, Supes, Wonder Woman, Flash...all slated for flicks...maybe Green Lantrern...

Well, DC doesn't have the control that Marvel now has over the cinematic properties of their characters. WB pretty much killed/shelved the Justice League project that Miller was aboard (and good thing too...that thing was looking to be a complete wreck), at least for a while.

james-88

06-30-2008, 12:44 AM

(*i say they kill the fucking kid. show that "angry god" that everyones talking about...all the while showing that "happy fanbase" once again. albeit i loved SR...i fucking HATED that kid! not only was it pointless, but the kid was annoying, stupid, cinematically ugly, and a fucking waste.)

i think the same exact thing, i like the movie a whole lot except that fuckin kid. if they're gonna do the whole superman kid thing, then they need to wait until the third movie to do that, at least the second one, and then in the third have superman and the late teen kid fight a supervillian who is too powerful for superman alone. but i hate the idea of superman having a kid, now they have to work a story into the script for the kid along with supermans story.

the clever guy

06-30-2008, 12:55 AM

darknite125

06-30-2008, 07:32 PM

bigred760

07-01-2008, 06:31 AM

I say bring another alien as a villain . . . someone that Superman would have some difficulty with.

I'd have no problem with the "Death of Superman" storyline that the comics had several years ago. Probably the only time I've ever read a Superman comic book. (Well . . . only timeS since the storyline spans a few of them.)

rob the many

07-02-2008, 07:16 PM

I wonder why with such a big budget Superman Returns did not have tons of action (I mean I could have made a better movie on a much smaller budget) Why are they waiting until now to put tons of action into a Superman movie, when they should have done it in the first place with SR. Singer could have had his little nods to Donner but keep them to a minimum so they seem clever and not done to death. In conclusion, more scenes like the one where Supes saved the plane and less with the kid.

Because most of that buget went to people who were no longer on the film. Kevin smith and tim burton both wrote scripts which they had to pay them for despite they didn't use them. So he did the best he could considering he probably actually had a budget of maybe 90 million to work with maybe less.

adamjohnson

07-02-2008, 07:22 PM

Because most of that buget went to people who were no longer on the film. Kevin smith and tim burton both wrote scripts which they had to pay them for despite they didn't use them. So he did the best he could considering he probably actually had a budget of maybe 90 million to work with maybe less.

Actually, Burton got so far into production that they had a teaser poster released. Black background, silver S.

adamjohnson

07-02-2008, 07:24 PM

I want to see the Kingdom Come Superman. The Angry God.

muttly69

07-02-2008, 07:35 PM

I NEED to see Doomsday on the big screen, leave Zod out. We the people need something fresh in the cinemas, I enjoyed SR but I would like to see someone really badass test ol' Supes for a change.:D

Yeah Dooms Day would rule but they need to kill superman already. the movie sucked. I fell asleep at the theaters. The kid thing was dumb.

Brendan M.

07-02-2008, 08:23 PM

I would love if they could pull of a reboot with keeping Brandon Routh casted as Superman. I thought he was a great choice, he just didn't show his full potential.

soda

07-02-2008, 09:15 PM

I want to see the Kingdom Come Superman. The Angry God.

Dude have you like actually read Kingdome Come? There's only one scene in that entire book where you could describe supes as an "angry God" (the scene in the building right after the bomb drops on the prison in kansas, where supes is threatening to pull the house down, and Norman talks him out of it) The entire point of that book isn't to showcase superman's anger, its to point out exactly what his biggest character flaws are: indecisiveness, and an inability to see himself how other people see him.

venom718

07-20-2008, 12:37 AM

I ssay the next film should be Superman vs Brainiac.
Doomsday should be there in the 3rd.And dont even call it A superman movie ...just call it DOOMSDAY....man i get excited just thinking of this possibly happening

DarkKnight81

02-11-2009, 11:00 PM

So with the rumor that the Wachowski's taking over the Superman helm, any chance you think they bring in Keanu Reeves to play Supes?

the clever guy

02-11-2009, 11:19 PM

So with the rumor that the Wachowski's taking over the Superman helm, any chance you think they bring in Keanu Reeves to play Supes?

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/alohamrhand/keanu.jpg

Oh, yeah....seems so right.

adamjohnson

02-12-2009, 12:07 AM

Dude have you like actually read Kingdome Come? There's only one scene in that entire book where you could describe supes as an "angry God" (the scene in the building right after the bomb drops on the prison in kansas, where supes is threatening to pull the house down, and Norman talks him out of it) The entire point of that book isn't to showcase superman's anger, its to point out exactly what his biggest character flaws are: indecisiveness, and an inability to see himself how other people see him.

Yeah, that';s what I want. I want more of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNFftA1Pry0

and less of this: (insert clip of Brandon Routh crying)

For all his strength, Superman isnt perfect. The very decision to use his powers AT ALL must be a tremendous burden. WE havent really seen that.

Cosimo

02-12-2009, 06:45 AM

we might actually see a dark superman film, like superman 2

just glad singer is off the project

sbunn10

02-12-2009, 09:23 AM

I'm actually kind of interested to see what the Wachowskis could do with a Supes film. They gave us the Matrix (ignore the sequels), and V for Vendetta was very good... so who knows. I did enjoy Superman Returns (7.5/10), but it was far from being great.

soda

02-12-2009, 02:23 PM

Yeah, that';s what I want. I want more of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNFftA1Pry0

and less of this: (insert clip of Brandon Routh crying)

For all his strength, Superman isnt perfect. The very decision to use his powers AT ALL must be a tremendous burden. WE havent really seen that.

You hit one nail squarely on the head, the decision to use his powers has to be a tremendous burden on him. Can you imagine, for example, being a beat cop on the streets, getting word that something is going down at an old, abandoned warehouse, kicking down the door with a SWAT unti, and seeing the crooks all tied up, with enough guns and ammo to blow you and your friends to kingdome come in the room, and a man of steel, with a big S on his chest hovering over the crooks? Can you figure out the entire range of emotions that would go through your mind? Having that kind of power has to be a burden, that's the way it works (that's why Uncle Ben is the wisest man in comics, people remember him for one thing "with great power comes great responsibility" and its the most true thing in comics, that line is the foundation of a thousand stories).

As for the next movie, here's the source of my confusion. I don't know if you remember it, but, at the time Superman Returns came out, there was a series of four comic books that was published. The story was written by Bryan Singer, and the scripts were by Palmonti and Gray. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it isn't surprising. Anyway, if they reboot superman, I want the next movie to start out, word for word and panel for panel, how the first of those four comics started out (only exception: make the kents younger, that's something smallville got right). The first comic was superman's origin, and while we've all heard that story a thousand times before, it was told so wonderfully and so beautifully in this comic that it moved me to tears.

The thing? Bryan Singer wrote that comic, so he's more than capable of delivering. What I don't get is why he didn't just use the comic script for the movie. That's what I don't like about hollywood, too many suits with too many hands in the cookie jar.

the clever guy

02-12-2009, 02:32 PM

As for the next movie, here's the source of my confusion. I don't know if you remember it, but, at the time Superman Returns came out, there was a series of four comic books that was published. The story was written by Bryan Singer, and the scripts were by Palmonti and Gray. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it isn't surprising. Anyway, if they reboot superman, I want the next movie to start out, word for word and panel for panel, how the first of those four comics started out (only exception: make the kents younger, that's something smallville got right). The first comic was superman's origin, and while we've all heard that story a thousand times before, it was told so wonderfully and so beautifully in this comic that it moved me to tears.

The thing? Bryan Singer wrote that comic, so he's more than capable of delivering. What I don't get is why he didn't just use the comic script for the movie. That's what I don't like about hollywood, too many suits with too many hands in the cookie jar.

I have all 4 of those! They were quite good.

In all honesty though...isn't Hollywood sick of fucking reboots already? I mean, in a way, wasn't SR a reboot of sorts? The story was forgetting the last 2 movies (a qaulity of reboots fogetting the past movies) and continuing from the 2nd movie. Now they want to reboot it? They rebooted the Hulk just a couple years later. They rebooted the Punisher just a couple years later. I heard they're rebooting Daredevil. By 'they' I mean Hollywood in general. I enjoyed SR, and I thought Brandon fit the role fantastically. So let's suit his ass back up and let's start seeing some badass Superman shit again. I don't think he'll turn it down...I mean, what else has he done? A cameo in Zack and Miri? C'mon...let's face it: he IS the new Superman.

Smiert Spionam

02-12-2009, 02:46 PM

Please, for the love of God, no origin story. If you don't know who Superman is, then you don't belong in the goddamn theatre.

As for the Wachowski's, I dunno... I think I'd be more confident with them only helming the project and not actually writing. Though, as said before, if these two are the same "director" that Mark Millar was rumored to be in discussion with, I'm all for it.

muttly69

02-12-2009, 03:49 PM

Bring on the Death of Superman already and make billions.

Smiert Spionam

02-12-2009, 04:22 PM

Billions, my ass. "The Death of Superman" is the single most over-produced comic of all time.

the clever guy

02-12-2009, 04:25 PM

Billions, my ass. "The Death of Superman" is the single most over-produced comic of all time.

...And who wouldn't want to see it come alive on the big screen?

You know you would. Twice.

gayzilla

02-12-2009, 04:36 PM

I thought Kate Bosworth was a horrible Lois, she was just one of the many things that ruined the pic for me. I was hoping for Jessica Biehl, and I still hope they recast her part. Routh was OK, he can stay as far as I'm concerned.

Ayestrain

02-12-2009, 04:56 PM

Here's how I, a moderate to fair Superman fan, think the next two films should go. Hollywood is too trilogy-happy--I think they should just focus on two films for starters.

Superman fights some baddie like Metallo or Toyman for the duration of the first film--someone who's semi-human but can pose a challenge to him. Since they always have to have Luthor in the films, use the story from the comics with Luthor going to the arctic and mind-melding with Braniac ("Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow?"). Brainiac uses Luthor to come to earth and mess with Superman, saying he is a survivor from Krypton or something. All of this will lead up to the big baddie in the next film which is--Darkseid! Really, forget Doomsday & Luthor, Darkseid and Mongul are Superman's arch-enemies. Darkseid done really well could make Darth Vader look like a little bitch in comparison. So the plot to get to Superman through Luthor is just Brainiac's way of doing Darkseid's bidding, who wants to turn Earth into Warworld.

Something like that would be the SFX extravaganza that a Superman film really should be--and would feature villains that would pose a true threat to Superman for once.

Last thing--I really feel that they should just let the old Donner films lie. They were great in their time, but they need to let this fascination with them go. Make something new with Superman for a new generation, enough looking back. And USE THE COMIC'S storylines, for fuck's sake! Geoff John's recent run is supposed to be amazing.

the clever guy

02-12-2009, 05:37 PM

Geoff John's recent run is supposed to be amazing.

The man can do no wrong. True story.

soda

02-12-2009, 06:36 PM

I just got prelude to blackest night today, and I'm a happy camper!

How many people on this site have read "New Krypton"? Its amazing! Johns took the bottle city of Kandor and turned it into something extremely cool. I gotta agree that they should let Johns write a cool Superman movie, everything that guy does rocks.

venom718

02-13-2009, 07:28 PM

I think they can go so many routs with the superman films.But there are afew i would like to see.

1.Brainiac Vs Superman
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/SupermanCv219.jpg

2.Superman vs darkseid
http://www.ecrater.com/25172/4853cce7ebae6_25172n.jpg

3.Superman DIES! (superman vs doomsday)
http://www.listal.com/image/products/220/1563890976/books/the-death-of-superman.jpghttp://www.yozone.fr/IMG/jpg/Superman_Doomsday.jpg

4.And if they do that they could if they choose do this...SUPERMEN.(RETURN OF SUPERMAN)
http://www.sequart.com/superman/returnofsuperman.jpg

with..http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/11/Supergirl.PNG

Im just a fan going crazy with stuff i wanna see.I didnt like SR but they can do good with the films.

soda

02-19-2009, 11:56 PM

Hey everyone. A lot of you on this forum seem to like my stuff (not sure what percentage of the population here just thinks I'm long winded and boring :) ) and I've been thinking a LOT recently about another superman movie, and I wanted to share some thoughts. First, a caveat, this post will probably be long, but I hope it will be worth the effort, and I definitely want to hear back on it from everyone out there.

Okay, so here it is, I was watching Smallville tonight (re-run, it's the one where Jimmy Olsen photographs Clark using his powers. Great episode, IMHO) and while the TV show version of the man of steel gets a whole heaping lot of things wrong (I agree that it sometimes tends to be too boring for old guys like me, and that the show isn't as good as it used to be, although this year is very good, etc.) it also gets a lot of things right (more than superman returns did anyway). As many of you on this site are aware, I am of the opinion that Bryan Singer could make a terrific Superman movie, I think the talent is there, but that he's too grounded in the donner-verse dogma to see that Superman was meant to be re-interpreted by each generation. We had the 70s version of the character, and while its quaint to go back and see those old friends again (IMHO, Geoff Johns and his recent run on Action comics finds the balance, its a nice look back at elements of the donner-verse, but it isn't a slave to the donner-verse, like Singer's movie was) I think its time for a new direction.

Great, so what? Something Allison Mack (who plays Chloe Sullivan on Smallville) said in tonight's episode really got me to thinking, and crystalized a lot of the thoughts I'd had about Superman for some time now. Basically, in the scene, Chloe is trying to get Clark to try the whole secret identity thing, and she finds Clark reluctant. What Chloe says is, essentially

"people have been using pen names since the alphabet. Clark you need to give people what they need most right now, a hero."

It all fell into place for me, so much so that I was moved to tears. That's what Superman has always represented to me. Its the opposite track, in a lot of ways, from what made the Dark Knight so successful at the box office, and its the polar opposite approach of the poster who wanted the Kingdome Come "angry God" version (which I pointed out, for the record, doesn't exist). Superman should be inspirational. Superman fights the never ending battle. Superman never gives up. Its like Geoff Johns pointed out with the whole "New Krypton" story, there can be many people from Krypton with powers, but there's only one Superman for a reason.

Now, I think that the biggest flaw with the singer movie wasn't even so much the homage to the donner-verse, its that he didn't give superman much of a challenge. There was never a point in the movie where you felt supes could really lose the fight. What's the point of a never ending battle, if the battle can be so (relatively) easily won? Luthor, in the donner-verse, is comedy relief more so than a real threat. You want to know what makes the Joker the greatest villian in modern american pop culture? Add up all the times, and all the stories, in which the Joker has beaten Batman, and by beaten, I mean taken something from Batman that Batman holds dear (Tim Drake, in return of the joker, Barbara Gordon in killing Joke, Jason Todd in death in the family) and add up all the times every other villian in comics has done that to their respective hero, and guess what? The Joker's total is higher. Do you know why Superman was in hiding in Kansas in Kingdome Come? Its because the Joker strapped a bomb to himself, blew up the daily planet, and killed everyone Superman cared about. Why is it that when you want to threaten Superman, you have to bring in the Joker? Add up all the times Darkseid, Brainiac, Luthor, etc have really hurt supes, and you still fall behind Batman's arch enemy.

The only one who ever really did anything on that scale was doomsday, and I dislike the death of superman as it happened in the comics instensly..

More next post..

soda

02-20-2009, 12:24 AM

why do I dislike Death of Superman? Because its a comic book story that should have had purpose. Its a story that should be better than it is. It is, in the comics, really nothing more than an episode of dragonball z, its a case of a new alien who punches his way to the top of the food chain, manages to kill the hero, and then, manages to never be involved in another cool story-line ever again. Doomsday was wasted, the death of Superman was wasted, as it was written.

Which is why I don't get all the clamor that I hear on this website to do the death of Superman. It actually isn't a new, bold direction for the character, its doing pretty much exactly what singer did by going to the donner-verse so often: its taking the man of steel back to a past that, while quaint, is best left forgotten. The 90s were a horrible time for comics, and an awful time to be a fan, and, for guys like me, death of superman represents everything that was bad about that time (event comics, style over substance, big splashy things with no meaning, etc) Superman, to me, is too important to be taken back to something that awful. Superman, to me, stands for something more, means something more, and is to damned important to not get something more.

There are many people, who at this point, will say that its boring. That superman is boring, that he's a relic of an era whose time ended. I say that he's never been more relevant. Anyone who watches the news these days can tell you there is a crying out, a desperate need for a hero. Superman's place in the American psyche, and in the psyche of the world for that matter, has never been more relevant. If Batman shows us our world as we think it is, Superman shows us our world as we want it to be. He can be beaten, but the essence of the never ending battle is that he never quits. Superman is both nature and nurture, he's both a kansas farmboy and an immigrant, and he has the values of both.

To me, one of the most beautiful lines ever uttered was said by Supergirl (Linda something or other, forget her name, the gal on Smallville) when Clark asked her about his parents. She summed up both of them in one sentence:

Jor-el wouldn't stop trying to save Krypton, and your mother would never leave his side.

Those are Superman's biological parents, that's the way they are supposed to be. His adopted parents we all know, and we know why the kents are important, but his biological mom and dad were equally important. Superman never denies his own dual identity, he never shuns one world for the other, he is the greatest of heroes, and that's the way it should be.

That's why, contrary to what a lot of you on here think, I think that the origin story needs to be told again. I think its an important story, and if you get tired of that, than maybe you get tired of hearing the Christmas story every year as well (I know that, for me, one of the highlights of the year is watching how the grinch stole christmas. I know it by heart, but I still love watching it because its such a good, timeless story). To me, a good story is a good story, and every generation of fans has re-interpreted Superman's origin to fit their current worldview. I think Singer did an awesome job of this in the comics, and I'd love to see that story incorporated into the movie. However, even that needs an adjustment. I think the people who have grown tired of the story have a point. In this age where everything seems to be going to hell in a handbasket, its a hard story to believe.

Which is why Superman needs a villian who can challenge him. That, more than anything else, is what the next movie needs. I thought Nuclear man, in superman four, was a (hammy) step in the right direction, but I thought they needed to take that to its logical conclusion. It was a good idea, very poorly executed, it took something that was a very real fear at the time (nuclear annihilation) and put it in spandex and gave it a roar. However, in five movies, its the only time Superman was hurt, the only time he was really challenged (sure, zod and his gang was three, but did they hurt Superman?)

I'm not advocating a return of nuclear man, I thought that movie was cheesy and poorly executed. However, what I do want is either braniac or darkseid as the next villian. If you don't intend to make Luthor a real threat, don't use him, give him a rest. I would probably prefer darkseid as the next villian, just because I think he lends an interesting counter-point to supes (what would happen if supes ever used his abilities to conquer instead of to do good? Darkseid and apocalypse.) however, I'm not married to it.

That's my formula for a kick-ass movie, a kick-ass movie. Do the origin story again, and then, respect the villian as much as Christopher Nolan and the people who made The Dark Knight respected the Joker and Two-face. Toss in plenty of action sequences, and understand something else: Smallville gets a lot of things wrong, but it also gets a lot of things right, its doing what the movies should be, its re-interpreting the man of steel for a new generation.

That's how all great stories (whether they be true ones, like the bible's stories, or utterly made up, like star wars) work, whether they be true or not, they get re-interpreted by each generation. That's how they hold meaning, they have a meaning that goes to the core of the human experience and that speaks to us both on our most elemental and our most personal level. That's what Superman needs, I think there's a very, very big need for someone to fill that void. The last few years have given us plenty of anti-heroes. if you watch watchmen in a couple weeks, you'll see a movie about the book that gave birth to the anti-hero. However, I do believe people are crying out to be inspired. That's Superman, and, in my view, there's a place for, and a need for, both.

If you've read all I've said, congratulations, I know that was hard. Now, please, feel free to flame away!

the clever guy

02-20-2009, 01:03 AM

Soda......

That was awesome.

APzombie

02-20-2009, 01:45 AM

Soda, firstly... hell of a read.

Secondly... I think you are absolutely right. A good story is a good story. I think every point you've made is absolutely valid.

BriZai

02-20-2009, 06:11 PM

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/supermanunleashed.jpg

bonoferox

03-19-2009, 10:37 AM

Singer back on? Maybe

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/221446/bryan_singer_definitely_directing_superman_man_of_ steel.html\

The IESB article it references is a year old, so not sure how reliable it is.