roger avary + drunk=manslaughter

[drugs and hugs]

I was just reading in the upcoming movies that he`s writing a screenplay called 'the driver.' karma ? .If he was a young starlet he would get a slap on the wrist and ten seconds in jail but i think he`s well and truly fucked.

from
http://www.perezhilton.com/
He pulled a Gayheart!

Academy Award-winning screenwriter Roger Avary, Pulp Fiction, was arrested for drunk driving in Ventura County this past weekend.

Making matters worse, Avary was so drunk that he crashed his car severely.

One of the passengers, Andreas Zini, died.

Avary's wife, Gretchen Avary, was ejected from the car and found in the roadway by police.

She was transported to Ojai Valley Community Hospital, where she was listed in stable condition.

Avary was booked into Ventura County Jail. He was charged with manslaughter and DUI. He was later released on $50,000 bail.

Jesus!

Get a fucking driver, people!!! Call a cab! Call a friend! Walk!!!!!!!

[JJFlamingo]

stupid motherfucker...:mad:

[Kevin Smith fan]

fuck man, i just got done watching rules of attraction the other night and was literally seconds away from posting a "where is roger avary these days" thread when i read this. that's horrible to hear.

[EVILxxx]

Jesus Christ!
I hope he get's a stiff sentence.

[The Postmaster General]

Jesus Christ I hate Perez Hilton....


Making matters worse, Avary was so drunk that he crashed his car severely.

One of the passengers, Andreas Zini, died.



Ugh, the placement of a [br] has never said more about a person.

[Tagia_Romero]

Fool.

[yorrick brown]

Why couldn`t this happen to paris or lohan or nicole or one off those bimbos.

stupid man.he`s rooted now,but i`m sure it`ll make a great movie screenplay.

[echo_bravo]

So fucking tragic. RIP to the victims.

With that being said, I actually saw Killing Zoe a few weeks ago and really dug it.

[therealjohng]

Now I'm not too up to date on the law and I'm not saying that Avary is not to blame. Clearly he is. But can the passengers in the car (and this goes for any situation, not just this one) be blamed as well since they were not responsible enough to call for a cab or a ride? Or does this rest solely on Avary's shoulders?

[FatSakHead]

Really fucking tragic. Such a talented man, but now I hope he rots in jail. I have no sympathy for drunk drivers.

[Draccoca]

lock him up and throw away the key and let him rot for the rest of his life. If he ever gets out have the bastard black balled.

I have no respect for drunk drivers, I've had my life effected too many times by those idiots. It's too easy to call a cab or in his case a limo and be safe. Once you affect someones life like that due to stupidity you should be treated like scum.

PS I hope his wife leaves him and sues his ass.

[RustyRazor]

What a piece of shit.
And that goes to anyone else that drinks and drives.
If you drink and get behind the wheel of a car, YOU are a piece of shit that doesn't give a shit about yourself or any of the people in your path.
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Some people care so little about life.
They don't deserve it then, do they?

[EVILxxx]

Now I'm not too up to date on the law and I'm not saying that Avary is not to blame. Clearly he is. But can the passengers in the car (and this goes for any situation, not just this one) be blamed as well since they were not responsible enough to call for a cab or a ride? Or does this rest solely on Avary's shoulders?

They can be blamed to an extent morally but not lawfully.

[The Postmaster General]

Yeah, I always feel the passengers get a free pass in these situations.

I also feel that people over-exaggerate their stand on drunk driving, as you can legally be drunk, and driving, but not be intoxicated. Even the woman who founded MADD has since railed the organization for political motives and for philandering to religious groups who are against alcohol all together. My buddy was sitting at a red light and a 18 wheeler flew up behind, and rear ended him --- He was knocked unconscious and when he woke up found himself in police custody for having a .09 blood alcohol level. Lost pretty much everything he had, for making the choice to drive home at 2 in the morning in a town with a population of just over 1,000 - read: he wasn't passing through New York City school zones after happy hour....

Don't get me wrong - anyone who has no consideration for life sucks ass, but I honestly worry less about drunk drivers than I do about bad drivers. The more I drive, the more I realize this.

For all we know, Avery could have crashed the car after swerving to avoid a deer, but we'll never care because *gasp* he was breaking the law. And I don't believe anyone who drinks and drives doesn't give a shit abut human life, the same way I don't believe that any drug user will break into my house and steal my TV just so he can get his next fix.

[FatSakHead]

Here in NC, I don't know if its the same on a federal level, but if you're in an accident, even if your BAC is only .01 it's still considered an alcohol related accident.

You can also get a DWI for driving under the influence of marijuana, which is almost as ridiculous as marijuana itself being illegal.

[KcMsterpce]

You can also get a DWI for driving under the influence of marijuana, which is almost as ridiculous as marijuana itself being illegal.

Really? I thought "DWI" was "driving while intoxicated" (alcohol) but "DUI" is "driving under the influence", thus arrested for smoking pot while driving or something.


Either way, I fucking hate this shit. It drives me nuts how many times celebrities are pulled over for DWI/DUIs and yet a week or two later someone ELSE is caught doing it.
At least this time someone died, so maybe it'll open other peoples' eyes a bit. Probably not. Which pisses me off even more.

They can afford cab fares and their own personal drivers.

[Tagia_Romero]

Some people care so little about life.
They don't deserve it then, do they?

May I call you Jigsaw?

[Shockwave]

While i cannot stand drunk drivers, its hard to feel TOO sorry for the people that willingly get in the car with them, if at all.

Play with fire and u get burned.:mad:

[chasingbanky]

This sucks for everyone involved. Love Avary's work and I don't plan on condemning him due to this. He's the one that has to live with what happened.

[JoBlo]

I've met Roger a couple of times, and he's a really nice guy and MAJOR movie geek, like most of us. Obviously he likes to drink now and then (like most of us), but instead of lacing into him (which agreed, it's not cool to D&D), we should LEARN from his mistakes, and make sure to NEVER do that sort of thing ourselves.

His wife is also in stable condition in the hospital as well. God knows what he must be going through right now, but even a nice guy making a mistake has to pay for killing someone. It's just a very sad, sad situation and I wish everyone involved in it the best possible.

http://www.tmz.com/2008/01/14/pulp-fiction-writer-popped-for-dui-after-fatal-crash/

[Tweek]

May I call you Jigsaw?

Har har.:p

[The Postmaster General]

Well said, JoBlo. He made a mistake, plain and simple. I often see videos of celebs running red lights, sober as can be - and to me, that's a bigger "don't give a shit" offense than trying to get home from a bar after you spent your cab fare trying to buy drinks for a woman who later leaves with the proverbial quarterback.

What happened to Avery was horrible and instead of passing MADD flyers out to him, we should probably realize that he's in a really bad place right now --- self-made, maybe, but like I said, we will never know if the accident was directly related to his drinking or not, because the eyes of the law obscure our own vision by resorting it to the most simplistic terms. He was drunk driving. End of story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro-drunk driving, I just feel that the law is very misdirected - especially when you have people like Spears driving, breaking laws, time and time again --- the kid on her lap, running red lights, hitting cops, photographers.... No one lays into the behavior as much as they lay into drunk driving, and the only difference I see is that Spears was lucky where Avery wasn't. Yet, there's no organization fighting to keep people from doing shit like directly endangering their infant in front of the world. That's because there's no religious right group that feels the same way about child endangerment as they do about their Good Book's stance on alcohol.

I'm glad to hear his wife is recovering. What was the relationship of the deceased party? I'm missing that tidbit in the article.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Fucking moron. Now I'm glad you're off SH2.

[Imani Aziz]

I just think we should all learn from this. I remember when i was in my 20's i would buzz and drive. I thought I could handle the road and i could but recently hearing all this I realized It was just luck. I love a good beer but I make sure when im drinking my husband who does not drink, drives. I can say i have tearfully learned from my mistakes. I feel so bad for this man, his friend is dead, he can feel no more pain but he and his family and the family of the deceased will have to live with this for the rest of their lives. I wish him peace and hope he can be forgiven as we are forgiven for each and every one of our sins.
Go in peace friends
Mani:p

[Imani Aziz]

Hey, by the way my spelling was never very good. I beleive people dont take what your saying seriously if you cant spell. Be gentle, im new, a work in progress. haha

[The Postmaster General]

I just think we should all learn from this. I remember when i was in my 20's i would buzz and drive. I thought I could handle the road and i could but recently hearing all this I realized It was just luck.

The shit I did was totally irresponsible, I won't lie. I seem to remember getting stuck in a cul de sac while thinking I could drive my buddy to the airport after taking Special K for the first time. That was stupid, and thankfully - I literally couldn't stop driving in circles and parked the car back at home. Sorry dude, you're taking a cab.

Sometimes I think I've been IMMENSELY lucky, then the weirdo part of me kicks in, and then I wonder if maybe I did die many years ago, and that this is all a dream, or some alternate reality. I've read too much new age shit.

Now, I understand. I get it. Do I think I was a bad person back then? Not at all. That doesn't even make sense. I was just... stupid and irresponsible. Maybe that makes me a piece of shit to some people, but like I said, to me its all made too black and white. Was I also volunteering to help the homeless, sometimes seeing shit that I'd be happy to forget about once I started putting my own life at risk? You bet your ass I was.

Did I ever have an accident while driving while intoxicated? No, I didn't. Maybe I was lucky, maybe I really did die and this is all an allusion, or maybe I'm just a good driver.

I drive frequently. All I see are kids, 16 years old who think they are the best drivers in the world, but in all reality really suck at driving. Probably an average of twice a week I avoid a car driven by a teenager, usually a girl with a cell phone, but I won't pigeon hold that much.... Yet, bring up having the minimum driving age changed to 18, and see how much support you get on these boards. Teenage accidents account for more than drunk driving and is one of the leading causes of teen death. Thankfully for teenagers though, the bible has no problem with them driving.

[Cronos]

They were just as stupid to get in the car with him.

[Shockwave]

They were just as stupid to get in the car with him.

Thank u, thats exactly what i said.


..i alos agree with what Bubba is saying about BAD drivers being worse then drunk drivers. Just in the past week ive almost been hit by about 4 people on cell phones.:mad:

Not a one of them drunk, but that wouldnt have matterd if i didnt slam on my breaks just in time cause some fool wants to cut across or do a u-turn where he/she shouldnt.

Gotta pay attention on the road. Lives are at stake. In many ways, driving is the largest responsiblity someone has.

[X-Nightcrawler]

They were just as stupid to get in the car with him.

Almost as, but yes, I agree.

[MadsenOMC]

While waiting about 15 minutes for a bus in the city (Chicago) yesterday, I saw three or four people get honked at for not moving when the light turned green. Why? Because they were either texting or making a call. This happens all the time on city streets and freeways and everything in between; we all know that. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that it drives me crazy. It's stupid and dangerous. There is not a bad drive shortage in this country.

That said, I can't imagine ever justifying drinking & driving. How many people are killed in this country every year in car accidents involving alcohol? Thousands. I have never done it. That's what cabs or friends or family or public transportation or your feet are for. Just because you live in a rural area, so what? How many of these accidents happen in rural areas? Tons. Tell it to the face of someone who's lost a loved one in a drunk driving accident that driving while buzzed is no big deal. You'd think in 2008 people would be smarter.

In doing a quick google search, the most recent statistics I found are for 2005. Nearly 17,000 people died in the U.S. in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes.

[ilovemovies]

I've never been drunk before (and I never plan on ever being drunk) and even if I was, I don't have a car or a driver's license. So I don't know from experience what goes on in someone's head while they are drunk. But because SO many people do it, I'm curious why they do it. Why would people still get in their car and drive if they know they are drunk. It's obviously not just celebrities, but everyone. I'd like to know what goes on in their head that makes them do it.


Maybe if that can be figured out then people would stop doing it?

[Draccoca]

It's not fair to blame the passengers, they where impaired as well and judgment wouldn't be right. Maybe he wasn't feeling the alcohol when he said he would drive, and it kicked in while on the way home. Which has happened to me plenty of times (especially with jager bombers). The difference is I always take a cab, or I walk.

I'm not defending the guy because there is no defense for him, but blaming the passengers is not right at all. How about the bar tender or the door man (bouncer) for letting the guy leave with his car. Up here in canada if someone leaves the bar drunk and has an accident the bar can be held responsible. Bar tenders up here have to take a course before they can serve drinks. I don't even agree with that law because there's some people who even though plastered can look somewhat normal.

All in all it's Roger's fault and no one else's, no one forced him behind the wheel, he did have a choice.

[jolanar]

I agree with Bubba. We should be much more afraid of a bad driver on their cellphone than we are of drunk drivers. It's fucking sad that a just plain bad driver can cause a wreck and kill someone and it's just an "accident." But a drunk driver does the same thing and its murder. Frankly I don't get it. Personally I think we should have much stricter drivers license requirements on all ages.

[Shockwave]

I agree with Bubba. We should be much more afraid of a bad driver on their cellphone than we are of drunk drivers. It's fucking sad that a just plain bad driver can cause a wreck and kill someone and it's just an "accident." But a drunk driver does the same thing and its murder. Frankly I don't get it. Personally I think we should have much stricter drivers license requirements on all ages.

Id love to see a crack-down on cell phones like on drunk driving.:mad: U can fucking wait until your no longer ont he road, or pulled over, to text/call your friends. It takes your attention away from where it needs to be: the road.

[MadsenOMC]

I agree that we should all be concerned and upset about people driving like morons due to texting/talking while driving. But did you read the statistics? 17,000 people a year dead and gone due to alcohol-related accidents. There needs to be a crackdown on the sentences people receive for killing someone while driving drunk. Sometimes people go to jail for less than 10 years even though they killed someone in a drunk driving crash. That's insane. We are way too tolerant of drinking in general and drunk driving in this country, IMO.

[Cronos]

All in all it's Roger's fault and no one else's, no one forced him behind the wheel, he did have a choice.
So the passengers were forced into the car and didn't have a choice? :rolleyes:

[APzombie]

Christ that is fucking terrible to hear.

:(

[ilovemovies]

I agree that we should all be concerned and upset about people driving like morons due to texting/talking while driving. But did you read the statistics? 17,000 people a year dead and gone due to alcohol-related accidents. There needs to be a crackdown on the sentences people receive for killing someone while driving drunk. Sometimes people go to jail for less than 10 years even though they killed someone in a drunk driving crash. That's insane. We are way too tolerant of drinking in general and drunk driving in this country, IMO.


I think it should be looked at on a case by case basis. Not every drunk driver deserves long sentences. Some might.

Also for repeat offenders there has to be some kind of acohol problem and they should be treated for that.

[MadsenOMC]

In too many cases where someone chooses to get drunk and drive, and then kills one or more people, the sentence is lighter than what it should be.

[The Postmaster General]

Before I go any further, I want to make clear that I don't aim to justify drunken driving - like I said, I don't do it anymore, because I know the cost.

That being said, I'm not scared of being drunk and causing a wreck because I am dunk --- Let me rephrase that. I'm not scared of having an accident because I have a .08 blood alcohol level.

What I am scared of is having a drink, and ending up in an accident because of a bad driver, being hospitalized, having alcohol show up in my blood while they are trying to save my life, and consequently losing everything I own. Because that's the law.

Atop of it, if another motorist causes an accident, and you are found to be drunk - chances are THEY could successfully sue you on the grounds that you should not have been on the road to begin with. I think that's a bit messed up.


I agree that we should all be concerned and upset about people driving like morons due to texting/talking while driving. But did you read the statistics? 17,000 people a year dead and gone due to alcohol-related accidents.[/b]


In the U.S. during 2004, 4,767 teens ages 16 to 19 died of injuries caused by motor vehicle crashes. During 2005, nearly 400,000 motor vehicle occupants in this age group sustained nonfatal injuries severe enough to require treatment in an emergency department (CDC 2006).

The risk of motor vehicle crashes is higher among 16- to 19-year-olds than among any other age group. In fact, per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are four times more likely than older drivers to crash (IIHS 2006).

In 2005, teenagers accounted for 10 percent of the U.S. population and 12 percent of motor vehicle crash deaths (IIHS 2006).

The presence of teen passengers increases the crash risk of unsupervised teen drivers; the risk increases with the number of teen passengers (Chen 2000). - http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/teenmvh.htm


Maybe drinking has less to do with many of those 17,000 accidents than bad drivers who happen drunk. I think its a safe bet.

Sober or otherwise, bad drivers cause accidents.

Teenagers cause a quarter of accidents that drunk drivers do, yet how many people aged 16 - 19 drive compared to those 21+, and how often do they drive in comparison?

I just feel that no single cause can be pigeon holed as the overpowering cause of motor accidents. Maybe someone was drunk, or maybe the guy at the brake shop forgot to reattach the cylinder cable, and they couldn't stop while pulling out of the parking lot --- Doesn't matter in the eyes of the law, because only the drunk guy is breaking the law, whereas, in all reality, the shop owner caused the biggest danger on the road. And of course, he could have been drunk while working on the car, because no law dictates that you can't do work that ensures the safety of others (unless your bound by the FAA or something...)



There needs to be a crackdown on the sentences people receive for killing someone while driving drunk. Sometimes people go to jail for less than 10 years even though they killed someone in a drunk driving crash. That's insane. We are way too tolerant of drinking in general and drunk driving in this country, IMO.


We are not at all tolerant. I don't know how you can say that. About manslaughter, maybe - but drunk driving. You can't have a beer and drive. A beer. One beer. It's illegal. You'll lose your driving privilege, no matter what. Mandatory minimum. No ifs and or buts. I don't know how you can say that is tolerant. US drunk driving laws are the most script in the world, with the exception of places where alcohol is outright banned.

If you want to talk about tolerance - what about how flipping easy it is to get a driver's license in this country? Have you seen some of these older people who get their license renewed? You've taken a driving test. Did you find it particularly difficult or to be a real test of actual driving conditions? If you did, you are in a minority.




And I also want to bring up laws that encourage drunk driving. We live in a town that doesn't serve alcohol on Sundays - except in public places, like bars or restaurants. What the fuck is that about? How does the law not encourage people to get out of the house to drink? And this is a law aimed to curb alcohol use. It's a joke.

And just for a joke, I'm sure you all have heard this one --- Why do they make keychains with bottle openers on them?







ilovemovies:

I've never been drunk before (and I never plan on ever being drunk) and even if I was, I don't have a car or a driver's license. So I don't know from experience what goes on in someone's head while they are drunk. But because SO many people do it, I'm curious why they do it. Why would people still get in their car and drive if they know they are drunk.


I can't speak for other, but WHEN I USED to do it, all I can say is that I didn't know the potential devastation. I trusted my driving skills - I started driving when I was 6 years old. I was running store errands for my parents by the time I was 13. (No, my last name isn't Spears :D) I was so sure of myself. And I still am. Granted, as I get older, I believe to be less sure just because of aging affects - I understand being really old is similar to being drunk but with a different morning hangover.

What I've seen since those days is many people I know have their lives torn apart by making the choice to drink and drive. Like I said, though, still -- It's not me getting into a crash because I'm illegally drunk that I'm worried about, it is getting caught being illegally drunk. I've known people lose everything for righteous reasons, where they shouldn't have been driving - too drunk. Most of the cases I've seen have been a matter of wrong place, wrong time - like my pal who got rear ended by the truck. If he hadn't of been severely maimed, chances are they never would have discovered he'd been drunk. Waking up in an ER handcuffed to a hospital bed is a bit of insult to injury --- literally.

I don't condone DRUNKENED driving, which I differentiate from drunk driving. Actually, my on the book advice is to stay away from a car if you've had a beer within the hour. However, while I understand the need to curb drunkened driving, I feel our current laws are pretty substandard and aim to punish more than prevent. The point about how dry counties may sometimes let people ONLY drink in public only serves to illustrate how lawmakers are caving with this issue to the needs of lobbyists and moneymen.

In Tampa, they tried banning alcohol on Sundays. It last for like 2 months. The reason behind the ban was in showing how there was an increase in accidents during Sunday morning and evenings --- the thought being that people were drinking for Sunday football. After further study, the law was lifted, because accidents didn't go down one bit, and for one month they actually went up. Any wagers on to whom was found out as being the major cause for sunday accidents? Anyone? Bueller? PEOPLE GOING TO AND FROM CHURCH!!!

Of course the logical step there would be to ban driving to get to church, because why can't people just take a cab or the bus? ;)




Draccoca

[quote] I agree, however will add that as a passenger, you make the choice to not stop the driver. Chances are the passengers wanted to get home as badly as Avery did, and used as little reasoning as he did. The bottom line though, it was Avery driving. When you get behind the wheel, your responsible for the car. Period.

I am just of the firm belief that responsibility goes beyond choosing to drink and drive, and like I added before --- For all we know, Avery was swerving to avoid an accident and was just in the wrong place and the wrong time. That's why I don't like the DD laws, because that is never a factor. It's all about condemn, condemn, condemn, which I think our justice system would be better served doing a little more of that with rapists, child molesters, people who defraud the elderly and a billion other crimes that do not have mandatory minimums like our drug and alcohol laws have. It shows where our country is --- You can go out and molest children, but if you have a beer and drive to go do it --- Only then will you feel the full power of The Law!!!

It's a bunch of.... poppycock!

[MadsenOMC]

That is a long post Bubba, and you covered a lot of territory. I agree with some and disagree with other parts. Maybe later I'll have time to respond point-by-point.

[MadsenOMC]

When I say too tolerant, partly I'm referring to manslaughter but I'm also talking about how in some states (Wisconsin) people arrested for their eighth, ninth, tenth or even eleventh DUI still have a driver's license. I'm sure it varies by state so maybe it's not like that where you live. I also find it very hard to sympathize with someone who chooses to get behind the wheel after drinking and then gets pulled over. I'm not saying they deserve swift and severe justice that destroys their life, but considering the devastation caused every year by drunk drivers, I just don't feel real sorry for them.

[The Postmaster General]

Yeah, when I hit post and looked at it, I questioned if I'd accidentally copied in my memoirs from my recent pilgrimage to Mecca.

Just kidding, I'd never write a memoir.

[The Postmaster General]

When I say too tolerant, partly I'm referring to manslaughter but I'm also talking about how in some states (Wisconsin) people arrested for their eighth, ninth, tenth or even eleventh DUI still have a driver's license. I'm sure it varies by state so maybe it's not like that where you live. I also find it very hard to sympathize with someone who chooses to get behind the wheel after drinking and then gets pulled over. I'm not saying they deserve swift and severe justice that destroys their life, but considering the devastation caused every year by drunk drivers, I just don't feel real sorry for them.


Yeah, don't get me wrong, it's not like I feel pity over a choice they made - just that I feel they got wrung through the coils a bit too harshly (in some cases, others like I said, I had to turn my back on friends who were whining about their woes.)

I didn't know that about Wisconsin. Oddly enough, here in Minnesota, it's very common for people to DRIVE to Wisconsin to get beer on Sundays and also because you can get a six pack for under $2. --- A somewhat funny fact to mention in the context of this thread - that it's so usual for people in dry counties to drive elsewhere to get drunk. It's just another testament to the inconsistencies in the laws on a national level.

[MadsenOMC]

It's just another testament to the inconsistencies in the laws on a national level. You got that right. The joke is that Green Bay is a drinking town with a football problem. I certainly would never drive in that city after a Packer game. And drinking in general is such a huge part of life for most people in Wisconsin. So I think the problem does vary state by state.

[yorrick brown]

You drink and drive your a bloody idiot.

But where was he before hand?.I mean if he was out to dinner or at a mates house they should never off let him get behind the wheel.