Apparently Eminem has gotten really fat and depressed

[echo_bravo]

This article is pretty interesting. Its from The Sun ( I know the Sun fucking sucks and is usually BS) but there are also other sources like the TMZ and the Detriot news that is reporting this as well.





The Real Grim Shady

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RAP megastar EMINEM should be at the top of his game, cherry-picking the best talent for his production company.

Instead, The Sun can reveal, he is an overweight, spotty recluse with health problems who gorges on fatty food, and spend his days watching TV and playing computer games.

The one-time workaholic used to constantly scribble lyrics on scraps of paper then toil tirelessly in his studio revising songs.

But the 35-year-old has been crippled by writer’s block and now wastes his time with hangers-on at his Detroit mansion.

We revealed yesterday that the music legend’s 5ft 8in frame has ballooned to 14½st and that he is battling heart problems.

Now his desperate mother Debbie Nelson, 51, says: “I fear for him every waking moment.”

Em — real name MARSHALL MATHERS III — burst on to the scene in 1999 with The Slim Shady LP and has sold more than 70MILLION albums, winning a string of gongs.

Not content with dominating music, the bleach blond maestro turned his attention to movies and starred in the semi-autobiographical 8 Mile in 2002.

He even scooped Best Original Song Oscar for the soundtrack’s anthemic hit Lose Yourself.

He has dabbled in rap production, setting up Shady Records in 2000, and was an executive producer on his protégé 50 CENT’s debut record Get Rich Or Die Tryin’.

But things have screeched to a halt for the former golden boy — and his fall from grace culminated in a four-day hospital stint over Christmas with pneumonia and heart problems.

The deeply depressed star refuses to stop binge eating and gorges on calorie-busting Mexican takeaways and heart-clogging fillet steak.

In her new book Debbie, reckons her son is barely recognisable these days. She says: “He’s let his blond hair grow out so everything but the ends are dark. His face has broken out in pimples and he’s put on so much weight that he’s causing all sorts of other health problems for himself.

“Since childhood he’s suffered bouts of pneumonia. He’s always had throat infections and he’s asthmatic. His diet can’t help. I worry about his health all the time. He’s always had high blood pressure and his cholesterol levels must be sky high. He orders fillet steak takeout from an expensive restaurant almost every evening.

“I dread to think what his bills are — he pays for everyone hanging around the house.”

Em and Debbie fell out in 2001 when they became embroiled in a nasty court case over interviews he had given saying she was a pill-popping alcoholic who lived off welfare benefits and boyfriends.

Single mum Debbie was devastated by the fall-out — and his bile-filled lyrics aimed at her in 2002 hit Cleanin’ Out My Closet.

Debbie now believes Em is becoming more like tragic superstar ELVIS PRESLEY every day.

The pair have been compared for being white artists who have taken traditional black music to the mainstream.

Em mocked Presley in the video for his hit Without Me. An obese Presley locked himself in his Graceland mansion and surrounded himself with a Memphis mafia of groupies. He died of a heart attack, aged just 42, after years of drug abuse.

Eminem’s mother fears he is also heading for an early grave if he doesn’t totally change his lifestyle.

The rapper first retreated behind the doors of his home 18 months ago after his best pal and fellow rapper DeShaun “Proof” Holton was shot dead outside a club.

Debbie says childhood friend Proof was the only person Eminem truly trusted. He would often pull Em up on his drug taking and problems with his two-time wife Kim. In the months after Proof’s death Em was once again fighting with Kim.

‘ I fear for my son every waking moment - particularly his health ’

Their second marriage in 2006 lasted just 82 days, with Kim claiming he was back on drugs — after a brief stint in rehab — and refusing to get help.

Eminem has known Kim since he was 15. He says she is the only woman he has ever loved. But his mum believes Kim is another bad habit he just can’t give up.

The pair share custody of their 12-year-old daughter Hailie and live on the same exclusive gated estate. His inner circle, including 50 Cent, say it is unlikely Eminem will tour again because he likes to be at home for Hailie.

But at 12 she is becoming more independent and often refuses to stay in with her doting dad.

Even so, she is one of the few people who can actually persuade Eminem to leave the house.

He drives her to school most mornings and goes to her dance recitals.

Last year it was said he would star in Have Gun — Will Travel, a movie remake of an old American western TV series. He was expected to bring out his autobiography and was said to have a new album in the works.

But three months ago he said on US radio his career was “in limbo”.

He still has a stable of top acts, including chart-topper AKON, but even his D12 crew are working on solo projects.

Debbie says one of the reasons she penned her book was to remind her son of the good times they once had.

She claims he has no memory of 1999 — his breakthrough year and the year he first married Kim — because he was so strung out on drink and drugs. The book reveals Em was a mummy’s boy in his teens but once he reached adulthood he started lashing out at her, even beating her up on his 23rd birthday.

Debbie refuses to blame her son, saying Kim created many of the problems between them.

She says: “No one prepares you for the downside of celebrity.

“Marshall says fame brought a slew of problems he never expected. He no longer trusts anyone. Everyone wants a piece of Eminem the megastar, not Marshall Mathers the man.

“I call these people the circling vultures — they spot dollar signs and swoop in for the kill.”

After discovering her son had spent Christmas in hospital, Debbie is even more concerned about her son’s destructive behaviour.

She adds: “If he needs me, I’ll be there in a heartbeat.”

My Son Marshall, My Son Eminem by Debbie Nelson is published by John Blake.

Source: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...icle670902.ece

[JJFlamingo]

Never found him talented, and after the things he said about females in his songs, hopes he stays away from the spotlight and enjoys spending time with his daughter. As for his mom, maybe a simple phone call to her son would be more worthwhile than cashing in with a book...:rolleyes:

[ChaseCalhoun]

Someone get the fat pics of this loser up...

[KingofKings2525]

Eminem is awesome.

Easily one of the TOP 5 BEST rappers ever.

[Smiert Spionam]

Never found him talented.........:rolleyes:

No offense, but that shows how much you know. Eminem is easily one of the greatest freestyle/battle/punchline emcees ever....long before he was ever makin' those wack radio cuts that made him so famous.

The past five years though it has seemed like he's been losing his touch. Most of the rawness he had on his best material was clearly due to just being young and hungry, but once you've got everything you could possibly want, its really hard to stay in that same mindstate as you were cuz you're not fighting as hard for it. Music legends have battled with this problem for years....

P.S. Someone really needs to post up those fat pics though.....

P.P.S. Nevermind....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/alexxshannon/blog/emm1.jpg

[echo_bravo]

No offense, but that shows how much you know. Eminem is easily one of the greatest freestyle/battle/punchline emcees ever....long before he was ever makin' those wack radio cuts that made him so famous.

The past five years though it has seemed like he's been losing his touch. Most of the rawness he had on his best material was clearly due to just being young and hungry, but once you've got everything you could possibly want, its really hard to stay in that same mindstate as you were cuz you're not fighting as hard for it. Music legends have battled with this problem for years....

P.S. Someone really needs to post up those fat pics though.....

P.P.S. Nevermind....

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/alexxshannon/blog/emm1.jpg

That pic is actually from 2006 or early 2007 I believe. From what I here, he has gotten even fatter than that pic shows (somewhere between 210 to 220 pounds). Seeing how he is only 5'7 or 5'8, thats pretty bad.

With that being said, Eminem in his prime is definitely one of the best rappers ever.

[KcMsterpce]

THE SUN is always a truly reliable source. :D

I hate that bastard, so whatever happens, happens. I don't feel sorry for him is all.

[DarkKnight81]

I like his music, I wish he didnt retire.

[SkyNet]

his music was always pretty good, he def has a good ear for beats and rhymes and stuff like that.

BUT

his person, i cant stand the dude... the shit with Triumph The Insult Comic Dog, and then he refused to let Weird Al do a video for "Couch Potato" which was a parody of Lose Yourself, even though in all of his videos he makes fun of people.

[RustyRazor]

Talent lyricist with a LOT of problems in his life.
It usually came out in his lyrics and if you've heard his stuff, you see just how screwed up he actually is.
Hopefully for Marshall Mathers, he gets some help.

[Le_Big_Mac]

Eminem is definitely one of the best rappers of the past decade, but I wouldn't terribly miss him if he fades completely out of the spotlight. I still hope that he recovers from this slump.

[Shockwave]

One of the few rappers i could listen too, but this was easy to spot coming.

When u can have anything u want, its hard to rap about not having anything or about how hard life is.

[Lindsey]

Why haven't the pictures leaked yet? I'm sure he's probably hiding from the media. I've never had a problem with Eminem...

One of the best and my favorite CD's from him:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/The-Marshall-Mathers-Lp.jpg

[DareDevil]

Eminem is awesome.

Easily one of the TOP 5 BEST rappers ever.


I always hear white people who aren't active hiphop listeners say that all the time... the truth of the matter is HE IS NOT 1 of the best rappers alive... common mistakes ppl think is that 8 mile is a biography and true story... it is not... Eminem before he signed with Aftermath had not been a freeestyler, Dre paid to have Eminem take freestyle lessons... "What about When he won the freestyle Championships?" He didn't... and to be more specific it's called scribblejam... cause you can have some time to write your stuff down... and Eminem lost to Rhymefest in the final battle, Click here too see the freestyle battle (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tBad5v42sw4) Rhymefest for over 8 years was the freestyle champion of America and turned down many record deals cause he said he wanted to see the world before he got into a contract.

With all that said Eminem isn't even the best white rapper, his music is too gimiki and he raps to a formula, he has barely grown as an artist... if anything he's only gotten lazier, he hasn't made a creative thing since before the millenium... Eminem is lame.

[yorrick brown]

Hmm another white singer that did black music comes to mind.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1928/fatelviskb4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[drugs and hugs]

Oh thats a shame.So instead of calling him 'the real slim shady 'we`ll have to call him now 'the real fat and lazy'.

[Ayestrain]

Too bad--I don't really listen to his music, but he seems like a smart (albeit a misogynistic and repellent) person.

I always thought it was very shrewd of Dr Dre to sign and groom a white kid to be one of the biggest selling rap acts of all time. The fact that it worked says a lot about our culture.

[echo_bravo]

I always hear white people who aren't active hiphop listeners say that all the time... the truth of the matter is HE IS NOT 1 of the best rappers alive... common mistakes ppl think is that 8 mile is a biography and true story... it is not... Eminem before he signed with Aftermath had not been a freeestyler, Dre paid to have Eminem take freestyle lessons... "What about When he won the freestyle Championships?" He didn't... and to be more specific it's called scribblejam... cause you can have some time to write your stuff down... and Eminem lost to Rhymefest in the final battle, Click here too see the freestyle battle (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tBad5v42sw4) Rhymefest for over 8 years was the freestyle champion of America and turned down many record deals cause he said he wanted to see the world before he got into a contract.

With all that said Eminem isn't even the best white rapper, his music is too gimiki and he raps to a formula, he has barely grown as an artist... if anything he's only gotten lazier, he hasn't made a creative thing since before the millenium... Eminem is lame.


I got to disagree my man.
His rhymes on "Square Dance", "White America and "Til I Collapse" are some of the best I have ever heard.

Encore was pretty much crap though. He has definitely fallen off but in his prime he was one of the top dawgs for sure.

[therealjohng]

He still looks 12 years old.

[shoe1985]

I always hear white people who aren't active hiphop listeners say that all the time... the truth of the matter is HE IS NOT 1 of the best rappers alive... common mistakes ppl think is that 8 mile is a biography and true story... it is not... Eminem before he signed with Aftermath had not been a freeestyler, Dre paid to have Eminem take freestyle lessons... "What about When he won the freestyle Championships?" He didn't... and to be more specific it's called scribblejam... cause you can have some time to write your stuff down... and Eminem lost to Rhymefest in the final battle, Click here too see the freestyle battle (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tBad5v42sw4) Rhymefest for over 8 years was the freestyle champion of America and turned down many record deals cause he said he wanted to see the world before he got into a contract.

With all that said Eminem isn't even the best white rapper, his music is too gimiki and he raps to a formula, he has barely grown as an artist... if anything he's only gotten lazier, he hasn't made a creative thing since before the millenium... Eminem is lame.

I used to be a huge rap fan, the genre today is just garbage. Eminem is probably top 10 material. If he was black, he might not be as big, or gotten the reviews he has. Like most people in the biz have said, once you start making money, your creativity starts to drop. After The Eminem Show, he was pretty much done. Encore had a few decent tracks, but nothing to run home about. Nas, who is considered one of the best of all-time, hasn't released great material all the way through, but he is a great rapper.

It is sad to see people do things like this, but he made his money, what else is there for him to do? He traveled the world, met pretty much all of his idols. More than likely did everything he ever wanted to do.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Although I do enjoy his popular songs a whole bunch, I never cared much for this drama queen.

[jolanar]

Slim Shady LP and the Marshal Mathers LP are both top notch. It doesn't get much better than those.

The Eminem show was good but not great. And Encore was only so so.

[KingofKings2525]

I always hear white people who aren't active hiphop listeners say that all the time... the truth of the matter is HE IS NOT 1 of the best rappers alive... common mistakes ppl think is that 8 mile is a biography and true story... it is not... Eminem before he signed with Aftermath had not been a freeestyler, Dre paid to have Eminem take freestyle lessons... "What about When he won the freestyle Championships?" He didn't... and to be more specific it's called scribblejam... cause you can have some time to write your stuff down... and Eminem lost to Rhymefest in the final battle, Click here too see the freestyle battle (http://youtube.com/watch?v=tBad5v42sw4) Rhymefest for over 8 years was the freestyle champion of America and turned down many record deals cause he said he wanted to see the world before he got into a contract.

With all that said Eminem isn't even the best white rapper, his music is too gimiki and he raps to a formula, he has barely grown as an artist... if anything he's only gotten lazier, he hasn't made a creative thing since before the millenium... Eminem is lame.

Well, I'm glad you hear white people say that all the time but I am white and have been an active hip hop listener my entire life. Not so much the past 2 years due to the crappy party rap that is out now. Rhymefest? Who cares? I could give a fuck if they can freestyle on a stage, if they make a good song with some good lyrics then they're the TRUE rappers. The scrubs who continue to just battle don't have hits for a reason, NO-TALENT.

Who said anything about 8 mile being a biography? That came from no where. Anyways, for your entertainment lets say it was. Again, who cares? Some white trash guy won a night club freestyle battle for the first time... yep, definitely the best ever, right?

... Eminem is better then nearly every rapper that has ever made a record. Like I said - easily in the top 5.

[Nomein]

Looks like Eminem and Britney Spears' destiny are tied together, as they both seem to be taking the plunge lately.

[RustyRazor]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1928/fatelviskb4.jpg

You ain't nothing but a corndog...
Covered in cheese...
You ain't nothing but a corndog...
Smothered in cheese...
My cholesterol is climbing...
Call the paramedics please....

*This lost Elvis single brought to you by RustyRazorRecords.
*Remember, if it sounds "funny ha-ha" not "funny strange", that's RustyRazorRecords!

[The Postmaster General]

I guess he really did lose himself.

[EVILxxx]

Bazing!

[DareDevil]

but I am white and have been an active hip hop listener my entire life. Not so much the past 2 years due to the crappy party rap that is out now.

You know what... after reading your post I don't really believe you... Yeah there are ringtone rappers but just like any type of music if you dig a lil deeper there is still a lot of quality rap coming out these days, in 2007 alone I bought over 10 hiphop CD's, if you actually listened to rap you would have known about the great 07 CD's such as Talib Kweli - Eardrum, Lupe Fiasco - The Cool, Little Brother, American Gangster, Graduation, Don't quit your day job, Finding Forever and many more

Rhymefest? Who cares? I could give a fuck if they can freestyle on a stage, if they make a good song with some good lyrics then they're the TRUE rappers. The scrubs who continue to just battle don't have hits for a reason, NO-TALENT.

This is one of the dumbest thing you could have said... like your trying to state that freestyle doesn’t have anything to do with talent... So I am just going to assume you haven't listened to the artist you just stated has NO-TALENT... I'm also going to assume you didn't even watch the clip I posted as well... Well I will not confuse your ignorance with stupidity.... As I stated he turned down multiple record deals until he had a chance to go on world tour... and when his debut CD Blue Collar hit stores he was already a GRAMMY award winner and was able to sell over a 100,000 from word of mouth alone


Eminem is better then nearly every rapper that has ever made a record. Like I said - easily in the top 5.
Just out of curiosity and so maybe I can respect where you are coming from can you please post your top 5.

Who said anything about 8 mile being a biography? That came from no where. Anyways, for your entertainment lets say it was. Again, who cares? Some white trash guy won a night club freestyle battle for the first time... yep, definitely the best ever, right?

Usually when I read or hear people talking about Eminem and how great he is one of the 1st things I hear is about how he's such a talented freestyler and a freestyle champion... and most people believe that because of Eight Mile... just clearing that up. Eminem writes all his raps where as there are GREATS out there such as Jay-Z who doesn't write anything down, they select their beat, listen to it, rap once and that’s what you hear on the album. When people say hiphop is dead I think people saying Eminem is top5 helps contribute to the death of it.

[Bourne101]

Eminem has been a seriously controversial rapper, but I have to agree with a bunch of you, he is/was one of the most talented rappers ever. He's had two of the best rap albums ever (Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers), and once completely owned another rapper in the "rap olympics?" That may have not been what the competition was called, but it was something like that. He started off getting booed, and then just completely owned the guy. It was way before 8 Mile too, like back in 1997, so I'm not referring to his raps in 8 Mile. Not to say freestyle is everything, if anything, but it was pretty amazing.

Now that I've reflected, I can't think of many rappers better than Eminem. Maybe back in the 90s, but of this decade, Eminem is the best of the best. Kayne West is working his way up, but he will need more than just Graduation (which was solid) to prove himself... and he needs to learn how to channel his public comments, lol. Eminem said controversial things in his songs, but in public, I can't remember anything significant; correct me if I'm wrong.

[dreamcurls]

He still looks 12 years old.

OK! that's what i said. i can't believe he's 35

as far as his talent goes. i only like his first cd, his work with Dr. Dre on The Cronic and "Just Lose It" (i cracked the f**k up when i first heard that song)

[X-Nightcrawler]

Aren't rappers supposed to be fat and depressed though?

[axe vs head]

i think the only rapping he`s done of late .Is when he takes it of a chocolate bar.

[Cop No. 633]

Here are a few hip-hop artists who I think have much more to say than Marshall Mathers and speak truth in their lyrics and with more verbose content and better metaphors:

Gza, Inspectah Deck, Immortal Technique, Ghostface Killah, KRS-One, Chuck-D, M-1 and Stic.Man of Dead Prez.

Eminem was good, but he showed he didn't have much to say after his second album. Take away his "controversial" angle, which was only controversial to mainstream America, and there wasn't a lot of excitement in his content. It's the same old shit many rappers have already covered, only a white guy was doing it this time which brought hip-hop to the attention of many people who never would picked up a copy of Enter the 36 Chambers or Liquid Swords which is miles ahead of anything Eminem ever released.

[KingofKings2525]

Just out of curiosity and so maybe I can respect where you are coming from can you please post your top 5.

For the record - I've listened to MAINSTREAM rap my entire life... I don't know much about the scrubs without record deals or the losers who only freestyle... honestly, they're not in the mainstream for a reason PERIOD

Honorable Mention: Ludacris, Big Daddy Kane, and Busta Rhymes

5. Eminem
4. KRS-One
3. Snoop Dogg
2. Jay-Z
1. 2pac

[DareDevil]

I don't know much about the scrubs without record deals or the losers who only freestyle... honestly, they're not in the mainstream for a reason PERIOD

You're an idiot... look at the the top 5 selling CD's, do you also think those are the 5 best CD's as far as quality is concerned. Next to myspace or youtube I have never in my life heard a rapper that wasn't signed to label. There are 100's of artist who are signed to major labels and they're CD will never see the light of day... to say that none of those people have any talent and that they suck just because they aren't getting major amounts of airplay is completely idiotic.

and your list is shit, I've seen 3 of those artist live... trust me I would know.

[Cop No. 633]

You're an idiot... look at the the top 5 selling CD's, do you also think those are the 5 best CD's as far as quality is concerned. Next to myspace or youtube I have never in my life heard a rapper that wasn't signed to label. There are 100's of artist who are signed to major labels and they're CD will never see the light of day... to say that none of those people have any talent and that they suck just because they aren't getting major amounts of airplay is completely idiotic.

and your list is shit, I've seen 3 of those artist live... trust me I would know.

Agreed 100%. Since when did the mainstream ever mean anything to hip hop? The whole point of the art was that it was never mainstream in the first place. The day hip-hop became fashionable was the day many artists gave up their self worth. You had jokers like LL Cool J trade in their credibility to make a #1. It was sad to see, but it separated the real artists from the money chasers. There are a few artists who keep their integrity intact and are able to get successful. They're rare like filmmakers who do the same. You think it's a coincidence Jim Jarmusch asked RZA to create the score for Ghost Dog? Good shit is good shit no matter the medium. Mainstream film has been luckier than music in this respect... they're still allowed to make quite a few solid films from each studio, but the same can't be said of mainstream radio. Give me the 50 top selling records of today and I'm sure most of it is rubbish. Kanye (the whiner) and 50 Cent (or Mumbles as I like to call him) are the poorest of the poor imitations of a real MC. They don't hold a candle to anybody. I'd let Kanye get behind a beat machine before I'd let him on a mic.

Also freestyling is the highest form of rapping you could encounter. If a person can freestyle a poem with metaphor, content and some sick delivery... it means he/she has is a very talented and well versed lyricist. I've seen KRS-One perform some great freestyles at a venue. Same goes for Gza, Rza, and most recently Chuck-D whose a living legend. If you're a real fan of the genre like you say you are, you'd at least try to find some MC's outside of the mainstream... if I stuck to the mainstream, I never would've heard of half the artists I consider great.

Back to the point, let Eminem get as fat as his wallet. He doesn't deserve any sympathy. Did anybody care when ODB died? Nope. So who cares if he gets fat? ODB was fat for a whole year before he died.

[Smiert Spionam]

I just wanna acknowledge how dope and refreshing it is that we're now having a debate about who are the illest emcees of all time on Jo-fuckin'-Blo haha.....

Never would've expected that one

[KingofKings2525]

You're an idiot... look at the the top 5 selling CD's, do you also think those are the 5 best CD's as far as quality is concerned. Next to myspace or youtube I have never in my life heard a rapper that wasn't signed to label. There are 100's of artist who are signed to major labels and they're CD will never see the light of day... to say that none of those people have any talent and that they suck just because they aren't getting major amounts of airplay is completely idiotic.

and your list is shit, I've seen 3 of those artist live... trust me I would know.


Well, you've made it obvious that you're losing this argument by resulting to name calling.

Rapping is not an art, these scrubs that are not in the mainstream do not have huge record deals because they would prefer not too - that mentality makes no sense... please THINK ABOUT IT.

Undergroud rap is underground for a reason... not many people want to hear battle rappers try to sound like the ones that have actually made it.

Oh and since I've obviously listed 8 of the top 10 rappers EVER and you think it's shit... please post your top 5 list as well. Should be a good laugh not recognizing a single name.

[rocknblues81]

For the record - I've listened to MAINSTREAM rap my entire life... I don't know much about the scrubs without record deals or the losers who only freestyle... honestly, they're not in the mainstream for a reason PERIOD

Honorable Mention: Ludacris, Big Daddy Kane, and Busta Rhymes

5. Eminem
4. KRS-One
3. Snoop Dogg
2. Jay-Z
1. 2pac

I hate rap and still there is something about this post that just reaks.

[Lindsey]

You're an idiot... look at the the top 5 selling CD's, do you also think those are the 5 best CD's as far as quality is concerned. Next to myspace or youtube I have never in my life heard a rapper that wasn't signed to label. There are 100's of artist who are signed to major labels and they're CD will never see the light of day... to say that none of those people have any talent and that they suck just because they aren't getting major amounts of airplay is completely idiotic.

and your list is shit, I've seen 3 of those artist live... trust me I would know.

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[Regan]

Slim Shady LP and the Marshal Mathers LP are both top notch. It doesn't get much better than those.

The Eminem show was good but not great. And Encore was only so so.

Agree 100%.Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP are 2 of the best rap albums ever made.

[Smiert Spionam]

LOL @ Snoop Dogg being one the greatest emcees of all time hahahahahaha

Seriously, Olboj just because you ONLY listen to mainstream hip-hop/rap doesn't make you a knowledgable listener....in fact, if anything, it makes you less so. Anyone with half a brain stem will tell you that the average underground emcee (Apathy, JMT, Royce Da 5'9, Little Brother) is lightyears ahead of any one-hit-wonder, bullshit rapper that's selling records right now (Bow Wow, Gucci Mane, Soulja Boy etc). And the fact that you know nothing about how underground hip-hop works (as in, according to you, they don't sell records because they're either shitty or they don't want to), just further displays your lack of credibility on this subject. I mean, really, if sucess defines how good an emcee/rapper is to you, then by that rationale, Vanilla Ice must also be on your Top10 along with a legion of other shitty, record label created one-hitters who don't even deserved to be recognized...

Nice effort though....we appreciate your input.

[Kevin Smith fan]

You can't honestly lump Eminem in with Vanilla Ice. Greatest ever? I honestly can't say, being on the oust of the rap scene myself, but he's definitley one of my favorites. It is sad to see one of the last good rappers go down the toilet though.

Top 5 Rap Artists:
1.Grandmaster Flash
2.Eminem
3.Beastie Boys
4.NWA/Dre & Snoop
5.Run DMC

[Lindsey]

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[KingofKings2525]

LOL @ Snoop Dogg being one the greatest emcees of all time hahahahahaha

Seriously, Olboj just because you ONLY listen to mainstream hip-hop/rap doesn't make you a knowledgable listener....in fact, if anything, it makes you less so. Anyone with half a brain stem will tell you that the average underground emcee (Apathy, JMT, Royce Da 5'9, Little Brother) is lightyears ahead of any one-hit-wonder, bullshit rapper that's selling records right now (Bow Wow, Gucci Mane, Soulja Boy etc). And the fact that you know nothing about how underground hip-hop works (as in, according to you, they don't sell records because they're either shitty or they don't want to), just further displays your lack of credibility on this subject. I mean, really, if sucess defines how good an emcee/rapper is to you, then by that rationale, Vanilla Ice must also be on your Top10 along with a legion of other shitty, record label created one-hitters who don't even deserved to be recognized...

Nice effort though....we appreciate your input.

If you would have read the entire thread you would have known I said I didn't consider the "party rap" of the last few years good at all. So I guess everybody can ignore the majority of your post.

Also, if these guys are "light-years" ahead of the mainstream rappers I listed then why arn't they more widely known? Enlighten me.

By the way, none of the rappers I listed were "one hit wonders", instead they all have had very succesful albums and plenty of hits.

Please post your Top 5. I'm sure with your's and devil's I can have a good laugh trying to recognize the names.

So fan's of rap can only be "true" fans if they listen to nobody's on street corners? Does that logic also apply to rock? Should I go from garage band to garage band to REALLY know what good rock is?

Seriously, the argument you guys are attempting to make has absolutely no logic behind it whatsoever, so should I be questioning your creditbility? Sure, a lot of the mainstream guys are garbage but in the same respect the unknown scrubs are not nearly as good as the 8 I listed.

I don't have a problem with you guys saying some of the underground rappers are better then what is mainstream in present day but it's just idiotic to say they're better then any of the 8 guys I listed.

[Cop No. 633]

If you would have read the entire thread you would have known I said I didn't consider the "party rap" of the last few years good at all. So I guess everybody can ignore the majority of your post.

Also, if these guys are "light-years" ahead of the mainstream rappers I listed then why arn't they more widely known? Enlighten me.

By the way, none of the rappers I listed were "one hit wonders", instead they all have had very succesful albums and plenty of hits.

Please post your Top 5. I'm sure with your's and devil's I can have a good laugh trying to recognize the names.

So fan's of rap can only be "true" fans if they listen to nobody's on street corners? Does that logic also apply to rock? Should I go from garage band to garage band to REALLY know what good rock is?

Seriously, the argument you guys are attempting to make has absolutely no logic behind it whatsoever, so should I be questioning your creditbility? Sure, a lot of the mainstream guys are garbage but in the same respect the unknown scrubs are not nearly as good as the 8 I listed.

I don't have a problem with you guys saying some of the underground rappers are better then what is mainstream in present day but it's just idiotic to say they're better then any of the 8 guys I listed.


The only thing I will say is that your mentality has always been the problem with many mainstream Americans... they equate anything popular with greatness when it's never been the case. If anything, what made hip-hop what it is the exact opposite of your mentality. I'm glad you're sticking to your guns because hip-hop certainly doesn't need people like you. I'd love to hear you rant to KRS-One about your views. I'm sure he would get a good laugh. It's ironic you named him as a favorite and yet the man's never been rich or made it in the mainstream. You've exposed yourself as another mainstream kid who thinks he knows it all by playing the money card, which always happens to come from mainstream Americans. It's ridiculous and I'd love to hear you belittle Dead Prez if you've actually ever seen or heard of them. And they're not just some basement rappers... they've toured around the country and have a following. Hell, Dave Chappelle used their song as his theme in case you didn't know. Just because suburbanites don't listen to them (which makes up the majority of pop music aficionados), doesn't mean anything. It just means the majority of this country has always been ass backwards. Look at the economic recession were in. People voted for that mistake, twice.

[Rawlin67]

this really isnt surprising. that dude made a lot of jokes on his albums, but his tones and themes were dark.

[Superplasmatron]

I want to see pictures, I love m and m's, really like the mini ones.

[yorrick brown]

Is this thread still about eminem?.


http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3482/eminempp6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



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[dk789]

Seems like Dr. Dre needs to hook up his boy Em with the name of his steriods supplier and personal trainer.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Never found him talented, and after the things he said about females in his songs, hopes he stays away from the spotlight and enjoys spending time with his daughter.

Ditto.

Never cared for Eminem. I don't think he is the lyrical genius everyone makes him out to be. I listened to The Eminem Show a while back and I felt like a psychiatrist listening to a patient bitch and moan for an entire session.

[Rukas]

Eminem writes all his raps where as there are GREATS out there such as Jay-Z who doesn't write anything down, they select their beat, listen to it, rap once and that’s what you hear on the album. When people say hiphop is dead I think people saying Eminem is top5 helps contribute to the death of it.

That has nothing to do with anything. Believe me, Jay takes more than one take.

Jay doesnt freestyle. He writes in his head, he thinks of verses and remembers them and then brings them out when he needs them. But that doesnt make him a better lyricist or rapper than somebody who writes.

It has nothing to do with anything. It is a means to an ends, and the ends is what should be compared.

[Rukas]

The reason you guys are bumping heads is because you're comparing MCs to rap artists and theres a big difference.

[Lindsey]

Dun dun dun...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/em-1.jpg

[DarkKnight81]

How can anyone honestly sit here and argue who's the greatest musician in any genre? There may be nothing more based on personal taste than music. I personally like Eminem's music but I cant sit here and say who's the best of all time when I've probably heard 1% of all the rap out there and I listen to quite a bit.

[TeeRay]

I heard a guy on the radio talking about Eminem's decline in the past few years, and he thinks it's because Eminem has nothing to shoot for anymore. He's already reached the top, tons of people respect him, etc. He's peaked, basically. Think there's any merit in that argument?

[shoe1985]

Rapping is not an art, these scrubs that are not in the mainstream do not have huge record deals because they would prefer not too - that mentality makes no sense... please THINK ABOUT IT.

Undergroud rap is underground for a reason... not many people want to hear battle rappers try to sound like the ones that have actually made it.


I respect your opinions and everyone elses', but to say Rap is not an art is just wrong. Any music is an art. Maybe we might not like something in music, it is an art. Rappers, the good ones in my opinion, tell a story with their music.

Honestly, Eminem uses words very well. He is probably top 10 of all time, but this is my opinion.

Underground rap is people looking to make it to the big stage, but not everyone. This is where they learn the craft or improve what they know. Freestyling is an art, and you need to be talented to do it.

Everyone has an opinion, we are all critics.

[Jon Lyrik]

Rapping not an art?

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K.

You don't even have to look at non-mainstream rap. Get Liquid Swords or Fishscale or Fear Of A Black Planet or Black On Both Sides. Jesus Christ...

[ChaseCalhoun]

All I gotta say is you can't spell crap without rap....

;)

[echo_bravo]

How the hell did this get so many views so quickly???:eek:

[EVILxxx]

Everyone probably thought there was going to be a big picture of a fat as hell Eminem.
I'm still waiting...

[Lindsey]

How the hell did this get so many views so quickly???:eek:

Jezus hell you're right!!!

8,266 Views!?!?!? Damn. Popular forum. :p

[Lindsey]

This is pretty interesting:

(From Stuff (http://stuff.co.nz/4477793a4500.html))
The rapper has been added to the line-up for the former South Africa President's milestone celebrations at London's Hyde Park after Queen rocker Brian May persuaded him to come out of retirement.

A source said: "Brian contacted Eminem's management but never expected him to agree. It's going to be explosive stuff and it's certainly a big stage to make his comeback."

While Mandela is famed for his humanitarian work, Eminem has caused controversy with his song lyrics, which have been accused of being violent, homophobic, misogynist and racist.

Meanwhile, Geri Halliwell has promised to give Mandela a special treat for his 90th birthday.

The Spice Girl – who is rumoured to be headlining the concert later this year with the rest of the band – wants to make his celebrations extra special.

She said: "I'll have to get in touch with him. Perhaps I'll send him a personal video message."

Mandela was first introduced to the Spice Girls in 1997, during the height of their fame, at his official presidential residence Mahlamba Nalopfu, in Pretoria, South Africa.

While Geri was there she famously cuddled up to the then-world leader and told him he was "only as old as the girl you feel – and I’m 25".

[jaw2929]

Dun dun dun...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/em-1.jpg

THAT is fucking HILARIOUS! I only laugh, cuz I never liked the cunt. And now he's a fuckin' bloated cunt! I know I've honestly got no room to laugh (I'm no twig) but I've got to say in a word of Borat's:

NICE! :D

[Mr.HyDe807]

All i remember of this guy is his fued with Moby,when he tlaked crap about him on the stage at the VMAs and then threaten to punch him, which i thought was pretty retarded to say the least.

Anyways, glad to see hes not letting himself go.....wait.....

[JJFlamingo]

Gotta wonder how Mandela is gonna take to Fat Boy...:D

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[solidstealth]

For the record - I've listened to MAINSTREAM rap my entire life... I don't know much about the scrubs without record deals or the losers who only freestyle... honestly, they're not in the mainstream for a reason PERIOD

Honorable Mention: Ludacris, Big Daddy Kane, and Busta Rhymes

5. Eminem
4. KRS-One
3. Snoop Dogg
2. Jay-Z
1. 2pac

i was with you up until you listed ludacris... method man? notorious?

[BanksIsDaFuture]

That's hilarious. This guy just named Snoop Dogg as one of the best rappers ever. Wow. I'm not even gonna touch on those honorable mentions (Ludacris, Buss? Are you serious?)

Eminem is a very good rapper, that's a given. If I had to put him in a number, I'd say he was Top 20 of all-time. Very talented lyricist Eminem is, when he wants to be. Almost all musicians get lazy and uninspired when they hit big, they really have no drive anymore. And you can't blame em - if I was a multi-millionaire with everything in the world at your fingertips, why would I go back to work?

[SweetEnLow]

That's hilarious. This guy just named Snoop Dogg as one of the best rappers ever. Wow. I'm not even gonna touch on those honorable mentions (Ludacris, Buss? Are you serious?)

Eminem is a very good rapper, that's a given. If I had to put him in a number, I'd say he was Top 20 of all-time. Very talented lyricist Eminem is, when he wants to be. Almost all musicians get lazy and uninspired when they hit big, they really have no drive anymore. And you can't blame em - if I was a multi-millionaire with everything in the world at your fingertips, why would I go back to work?

Well if all he listens to is mainstream, then of course he might list Snoop Dogg and Ludacris. They are his opinions regardless and I thought we were supposed to respect other people's opinions here. Just because they are not your opinions doesn't make them wrong.

[The Postmaster General]

Snoop Dogg's lyrics are often questionable, but his tone and how he syncopates is really ace. Yeah, there's a ton of rappers making better tracks, but I really think Snoop has a great approach with his style, and one of the better voices in rap. I just wish he'd do more work with Dre or some great producers, or a producer who can get more out of him. Since Doggy Style, his tracks have ran from mediocre or average with the occasional get-up-and-dance song that's got a good enough hook to move you, but nothing really that makes you stand up and listen.



About Eminem, someone asked about him being bored leading to his um, weight issue --- And I say, "What the hell?" Can't a mutherfucker just like to eat anymore? Eminem always ran his fucking mouth so much that it's no doubt that when people stopped listening he needed to find something to do with his flapping gums. It's better that he stuck a Big Mac in it instead of a shotgun....




"You can't spell crap with out rap..."

Yeah, and no one can say "You suck." without you. Do you have anymore 3rd grade witticisms you want to share?

[The Heart Collector]

Oldboj's posts in this thread are tremendously bad. I suppose he thinks Titanic is the best movie ever, since it made so much money.

[The Postmaster General]

At the rate Eminem and his career are going, there will be plenty of chances to analogize with Titanic.

[FatSakHead]

For the record - I've listened to MAINSTREAM rap my entire life... I don't know much about the scrubs without record deals or the losers who only freestyle... honestly, they're not in the mainstream for a reason PERIOD

Honorable Mention: Ludacris, Big Daddy Kane, and Busta Rhymes

5. Eminem
4. KRS-One
3. Snoop Dogg
2. Jay-Z
1. 2pac

Well, you've made it obvious that you're losing this argument by resulting to name calling.

Rapping is not an art, these scrubs that are not in the mainstream do not have huge record deals because they would prefer not too - that mentality makes no sense... please THINK ABOUT IT.

Undergroud rap is underground for a reason... not many people want to hear battle rappers try to sound like the ones that have actually made it.

Oh and since I've obviously listed 8 of the top 10 rappers EVER and you think it's shit... please post your top 5 list as well. Should be a good laugh not recognizing a single name.

If you would have read the entire thread you would have known I said I didn't consider the "party rap" of the last few years good at all. So I guess everybody can ignore the majority of your post.

Also, if these guys are "light-years" ahead of the mainstream rappers I listed then why arn't they more widely known? Enlighten me.

By the way, none of the rappers I listed were "one hit wonders", instead they all have had very succesful albums and plenty of hits.

Please post your Top 5. I'm sure with your's and devil's I can have a good laugh trying to recognize the names.

So fan's of rap can only be "true" fans if they listen to nobody's on street corners? Does that logic also apply to rock? Should I go from garage band to garage band to REALLY know what good rock is?

Seriously, the argument you guys are attempting to make has absolutely no logic behind it whatsoever, so should I be questioning your creditbility? Sure, a lot of the mainstream guys are garbage but in the same respect the unknown scrubs are not nearly as good as the 8 I listed.

I don't have a problem with you guys saying some of the underground rappers are better then what is mainstream in present day but it's just idiotic to say they're better then any of the 8 guys I listed.

These posts suck. There's no way in hell I can respect your opinion when you say stupid shit like this. I shit on these posts.

[Lindsey]

I'm sorry, but I've mentioned time and time again in this thread about respecting our fellow Schmoes.

I'm closing this down if you guys can't get along. Last and final warning.

[ERIN_LoJ]

I think it's a shame when this happens to anyone. He apparently can't handle whatever stress is going on in his life, especially if his long-time best friend was killed last year, and is falling apart. Hopefully he can recover sometime soon.

[moviemaniac8210]

Slim Shady LP and the Marshal Mathers LP are both top notch.

I had many good times partying and listening to those 2 CD's. Eminem was good back then. Sorry to hear he's let himself go. Probably didn't help when his D-12 buddy got shot and killed. You're still breathing, Em, enjoy your life.

[KingofKings2525]

Edited: My response unnecessary.