how can you not love Scientology?

[yorrick brown]

tom cruise f--king loves it.The cruise basically has a erection over how awesome it is.And it does say he has helped over 1 billion around the world such is the power of the crusie and scientology.

he loves it.

http://www.liquidgeneration.com/Media/Videos/Viral_Videos/Celebrity/Tom_Cruise_Scientology_Video_The_Essentials/

loves IT


http://www.liquidgeneration.com/Media/Videos/Viral_Videos/Celebrity/Tom_Cruise_Scientology_in_2_Minutes/

from tmz

Why is Scientology so determined to keep a nine-minute video under wraps? At least that's the question buzzing the blogs. The video, which features a manically laughing Tom Cruise rambling about the wonders of the "religion," was leaked on YouTube this past Monday -- but was quickly removed.

In the bizarre clip (complete with eerie "Mission: Impossible" music), Tom goes on and on about how Scientologists are the "authorities on the mind," and utters inside Scientology lingo -- like "SPs" and "KSW" -- code the Church probably doesn't want non-members to hear.

No comment from the Church.

"when you drive past accident."
http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1379597087

all hail the ron :)
http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1380403662

[Scarfather]

I saw a Letterman interview with Katie Holmes. She acted like her soul had been sucked out of her.

One of us! One of us! Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble!

[dreamcurls]

tom cruise gets excited about EVERYTHING.

i visited the scientology web site once. the only thing i gleaned from it is, scientology is a very sexist practice.(i purposely did not refer to that crazy junk as a religion-because it's not)

[IronMonkey]

Wow Tom Cruise has helped as many people as McDonalds has served hamburgers! :eek:

Tom Cruise has "tools"









and he IS a "tool"







love his movies though....


..AND..he may be..er, IS brainwashed, but more wars have been started by so called men of god, then men of L. Ron... and I say that as a Christian who wouldnt become a scientologist for nuthin!





wel..maybe a million dollars...

[JJFlamingo]

Only a matter of time before we have a tragic Waco-type standoff with the Scientology Cult...:D

[axe vs head]

Man that was crazy.He loves it lol.I love having krazy crusie back,he`s awesome.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z172/piccoload/Oprah.gif

1,0037 billion lives he`s helped.

[Shinigami]

In the bizarre clip (complete with eerie "Mission: Impossible" music), Tom goes on and on about how Scientologists are the "authorities on the mind," and utters inside Scientology lingo -- like "SPs" and "KSW" -- code the Church probably doesn't want non-members to hear.

That's the kind of crazy stuff that religion institutions often tout when speaking on home ground to members of their own faith. This scientology yadda yadda always frustrates me when I read about it, though. If I'm expected to pretend tolerance for every belief that has people blowing themselves up or crusading to crucify their opposition, I can go the extra two inches and accept scientology. I really like that Golden Rule.
Does anyone here even know a scientologist? Yeah, no. I'm sure everybody wiki'd it and did their google research, but I've seen a lot worse from a lot of institutions without this backlash.

I just don't understand the whole thing...

An edit: Actually, I get it. The whole thing is ridiculously entertaining.

[drugs and hugs]

http://www.liquidgeneration.com/Media/Videos/Viral_Videos/Celebrity/Tom_Cruise_Scientology_in_2_Minutes/
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Who needs drugs when theres Scientology .

[SkyNet]

i fail to see how Scientology is any more nuts or crazy than ANY of the other religions out there!

Scientologists do believe some pretty warped shit, but no more warped than believing a single person parted an entire sea, or one person died for an eternity worth of sins! or any of the other religious based findings!

[Tweek]

SkyNet, maybe it's because of who started the religion?

[Crimson_Regret]

i fail to see how Scientology is any more nuts or crazy than ANY of the other religions out there!

Scientologists do believe some pretty warped shit, but no more warped than believing a single person parted an entire sea, or one person died for an eternity worth of sins! or any of the other religious based findings!

Its not any more ridiculous, its just a modern version...

However in this day and age people are so desperatly in need of guidance that they will except such utter trosh.... apart from Tom, of course.

[SkyNet]

SkyNet, maybe it's because of who started the religion?

true... and in that same thing, its like, L. Ron Hubbard once said you can make a shit load of money by starting your own religion... which shows the sham of religion.

but did he start this religion due to his strict beliefs, or did he start it as a way of saying "fuck you religion, anyone can do that" and then you get people like Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Will Smith, Jerry Seinfeld who are just, well, to fucking stupid to realize that it was started as a goof!

but then again, any religion could have been started the same way, wasnt Lutheran started by a dude hammering a list of something against a door?? (something like that)

but it is funny to sit back, and watch all of these religions, from an unbiased point of view, cuz i dont believe any religion, so lookin at all the beliefs of any of these religions makes me laugh... i just think Scientology is the new hot button topic, and it doesnt help that Tom Cruise is fuckin Corky about it!

i also just want to point out that just because i dont believe in any religion, DOES NOT mean i am Agnostic! Agnostic is a form of religion, cuz it is an organized group!

[RustyRazor]

I don't love it.
And as long as someone isn't pushing it on me, worship that or whatever you want.
Tom Cruise, I believe, has ridden into his own "Danger Zone" mentally outside of this religion.

Though if you know what this particular religion believes in, they might have set him on the train to Crazytown.

[yorrick brown]

Tom cruise hates i mean HATES physicians .They had part of that video clip on our current affair show last nights.

he says it is a practice that was started by the nazis .Then the voice over guy says tom cruise leading the fight to have physicians banned.

[Z_oasis]

OK, i see how people hate scientology, but seriously, i don't see any harm (except one story of a false report) but everyone who IS a scientologist is very happy and want to help people, why hate people who want to help, but when we see news about other CRAZIER religions (muslims, yes, i said it) we look the other way. For instance, heres a new news story and among other harsh muslim stories, Check it:

http://fubarmedia.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/muslim-father-shoots-and-kills-his-two-teenage-daughters/


Im just sayin, there are crazier things but since its new, we all freak.. I just don't get it!


I love ya guys tho. lol

[Shinigami]

I think everyone is just having fun with Cruise, z_oasis.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

The reason I'm turned off by Scientology is because of its membership. They're so damn giddy. I wasn't at all surprised when Will Smith joined.

[yorrick brown]

Its cost $400,000 to get to the level that tom crusie is at.

[Rukas]

loves IT


http://www.liquidgeneration.com/Media/Videos/Viral_Videos/Celebrity/Tom_Cruise_Scientology_in_2_Minutes/



Sorry, this media was not found!

Looks like they got to LiquidGeneration too :(

[yorrick brown]

Sorry, this media was not found!

Looks like they got to LiquidGeneration too :(


No shit!.Wow, now they control the internet.

[Superplasmatron]

The reason I'm turned off by Scientology is because of its membership. They're so damn giddy. I wasn't at all surprised when Will Smith joined.

surely their bogus religious beliefs comes into it too?

[kcvoorhees]

There is a little section about Scientology in I Am America by Stephen Colbert
everyone should read it funny stuff.There's a picture of Matt Lauer and underneath the pic it just says Glib.I could not stop laughing at that for whatever wierd reason.

[IronMonkey]

And it cost me nothing mora than 3 hours of reading the entire thing and Hubbard at www.xenu.net aka Operation Clambake

Which makes ME wayy cooler and smarter than Tom Cruise...it cost me ZERO Dollar$ AND it all failed to brainwash amd sucker me in.

[Shockwave]

Fuck it.

Im just going to start beleiving in Norse mythology again. Long live Odin.

[edonline]

I'm a devout believer in JoBlology.

JoBlo 3:16: "And yea, Jo Blo passed around the bowl of holy nachos and said 'Take these and eat, for they shall be thy nourishment for the movie which shall start shortly. Take care not to drip melted cheese upon the seats'."

JoBlo 6:35: "And I say unto you, do not watch edited movie for they are an abomination unto me. But an extended director's version is truly a blessing."

[AndrewDB]

I'm a devout believer in JoBlology.

JoBlo 3:16: "And yea, Jo Blo passed around the bowl of holy nachos and said 'Take these and eat, for they shall be thy nourishment for the movie which shall start shortly. Take care not to drip melted cheese upon the seats'."

JoBlo 6:35: "And I say unto you, do not watch edited movie for they are an abomination unto me. But an extended director's version is truly a blessing."

Shame on you. You quoted 3:16 wrong.


JoBlo 3:16: "And yea, Jo Blo passed around the bowl of holy nachos and said 'Take these and eat, for they shall be thy nourishment for the movie which shall start shortly. Take care not to drip melted cheese upon the seats, for it would be a waste of good cheese'."

[RustyRazor]

I'm a devout believer in JoBlology.

JoBlo 3:16: "And yea, Jo Blo passed around the bowl of holy nachos and said 'Take these and eat, for they shall be thy nourishment for the movie which shall start shortly. Take care not to drip melted cheese upon the seats'."

JoBlo 6:35: "And I say unto you, do not watch edited movie for they are an abomination unto me. But an extended director's version is truly a blessing."



Now, why can't the stars support THESE teachings?
This is the kind of stuff that'll change your life.
Nice call, Ed.
Very nice.

[Tuukka]

but then again, any religion could have been started the same way, wasnt Lutheran started by a dude hammering a list of something against a door?? (something like that)

Church doors were the bulletin boards of their time. Luther hated the very "earthly" and corrupt catholic church (For example you could buy yourself free of your sins with money and enter heaven) and nailed his 95 Theses to a church door, defining out his criticism of the church, and how he thought christians could return to more truthful christianity.

His writings actually made a lot of sense, and resulted in the reformation, and birth of protestantism and consequently several sub-forms of protestantism, including Lutherism.

I can easily argued that by their nature, Protestantism and Lutherism are much closer to the teachings of Bible and therefore "truer" christianity, as there is less of newer invented stuff included in the teachings of the church.

[FatSakHead]

I'm a Pastafarian, the right way, and only way.

[Vong]

i fail to see how Scientology is any more nuts or crazy than ANY of the other religions out there!

People fear and hate what they don't understand...it's only human nature that anyone that is part of the "norm" in society would create their own discourse and understanding of what something else (ie. scientology) is to them (ie. for crazy nuts).

I'm a Pastafarian, the right way, and only way.

Amen, brother.

[SkyNet]

People fear and hate what they don't understand...it's only human nature that anyone that is part of the "norm" in society would create their own discourse and understanding of what something else (ie. scientology) is to them (ie. for crazy nuts).



i have to disagree with that.... i dont understand A LOT of shit.. but i neither Fear nor Hate them... i def (as you can tell) dont understand ANY religion.. but i dont fear or hate them (although maybe we should, seeing as Religion is basically responsible for all the wars), i accept the helpful nature for which religion can help certain people, and i never force my opinions on others, nor do i allow others to force their opinions on me... i let them say what they believe and then i say what i believe! Always creates very intriguing conversations with whomever i am speaking with.

That to me is like when people are labeled Homophobes, because they dont like gay people. Phobia means you are scared of something, these people arent scared, they just dont like them! (now before i get mad comments... i have no problem at all with gay people, i know a few gay people and have had intirguing conversations with... i just dont like the gay people who wear shirts like "Im not gay, but my boyfriend is" and the like)

so to say people are scared or have hatred for something in which they dont understand, is a false statement (in my opinion), now of course there are outliers in every case... there are people who hate things because they do not understand them... but to give a blanket statement like you did is like saying All Black People Steal... All White People Wear High Waters and Love Suicide!

and im not sure if you were implying that i said Scientology was for Crazy nuts?! But if thats what you got out of what i wrote, then you misunderstood me... i said that the beliefs of Scientology are NO MORE Crazy oir Nuts then the beliefs of ANY OTHER religion!

[Vong]

to say people are scared or have hatred for something in which they dont understand, is a false statement (in my opinion)

How is it false? It explains every single geopolitical mishap in the last 2000 years. Why do you think colonialism was so popular? Or the idea of "Orientalism"? Or why World War I happened? Or the current "War on Terror"? In most cases, people have created an idea about another culture/people/group, and from that manufacture an understanding surrounding that culture/people/group. Any anthropologist will tell you the same thing. How people treat Scientologists is no different to how the Europeans looked at the Natives of North America/Africa or the Middle-East; to ridicule the group and "moderate" them to the "norm". A great book that delves into this is Edward Said's Orientalism, or anything by Stuart Hall.

and im not sure if you were implying that i said Scientology was for Crazy nuts?! But if thats what you got out of what i wrote, then you misunderstood me... i said that the beliefs of Scientology are NO MORE Crazy oir Nuts then the beliefs of ANY OTHER religion!

I wasn't quoting you on Scientology being for "crazy nuts". I was just referring to the general impression that many non-scientologists have towards the philosophy.

[SkyNet]

Originally Posted by SkyNet
to say people are scared or have hatred for something in which they dont understand, is a false statement (in my opinion)


How is it false? It explains every single geopolitical mishap in the last 2000 years. Why do you think colonialism was so popular? Or the idea of "Orientalism"? Or why World War I happened? Or the current "War on Terror"? In most cases, people have created an idea about another culture/people/group, and from that manufacture an understanding surrounding that culture/people/group. Any anthropologist will tell you the same thing. How people treat Scientologists is no different to how the Europeans looked at the Natives of North America/Africa or the Middle-East; to ridicule the group and "moderate" them to the "norm". A great book that delves into this is Edward Said's Orientalism, or anything by Stuart Hall.

but i dont fear or hate them (although maybe we should, seeing as Religion is basically responsible for all the wars),




it sounds like you and me are in agree-ance... we are just saying it differently! (i think)!!

[Digifruitella]

so to say people are scared or have hatred for something in which they dont understand, is a false statement (in my opinion)

I had to weed out a lot of nonsense in that post..:D

Ok, that's your opinion but Vong is right on the money, not to mention Carmine Falcone as well.

So then if you see an insect you've never seen before - you don't fear it? You don't fear the fact that you have absolutely no clue about what it is, where it comes from, what it's capable of. Maybe it can fly or jump straight you at any second? Would that thought not make you scared, not knowing the consequences of what might happen next?

You're missing the point man.

[SkyNet]

I had to weed out a lot of nonsense in that post..:D

Ok, that's your opinion but Vong is right on the money, not to mention Carmine Falcone as well.

So then if you see an insect you've never seen before - you don't fear it? You don't fear the fact that you have absolutely no clue about what it is, where it comes from, what it's capable of. Maybe it can fly or jump straight you at any second? Would that thought not make you scared, not knowing the consequences of what might happen next?

You're missing the point man.

and you call my post Nonsense??!!!

forgive me for not equating a "Scawwy" Bug to religion!!

i dont care about religion, any of the religions... i am not scared by the religions, ANY of the religions.. perhaps i just dont give a fuck enough about them! But, i guarantee there are more people who share THAT sentiment, rather than the sentiment of being scared and fear!

[Digifruitella]

and you call my post Nonsense??!!!

forgive me for not equating a "Scawwy" Bug to religion!!

i dont care about religion, any of the religions... i am not scared by the religions, ANY of the religions.. perhaps i just dont give a fuck enough about them! But, i guarantee there are more people who share THAT sentiment, rather than the sentiment of being scared and fear!

digging your own hole... my response was aimed towards your statement not towards how you seem to hate religion. Soothe those muscles, boy.

[SkyNet]

digging your own hole... my response was aimed towards your statement not towards how you seem to hate religion. Soothe those muscles, boy.


You saying i HATE religion, shows that you do not understand ANYTHING in which i have written!!

but hey.. i will watch out for those "Scawwy" bugs you mentioned!

[Shinigami]

A few days ago I was talking to this buddy of mine who always goes on and on about his glory days. So I tell him that he's missing what's ahead of him because he keeps looking over his shoulder. He yells back, "What the hell are you talking about, I'm looking right at you."

Yeah...

[Tuukka]

Religion is basically responsible for all the wars

Or is religion just commonly used as one way of propaganda? When a country goes to war, people need to be mobilized. Religion can do that, as can many other things.

Communist countries were mostly atheist, but they weren't exactly peaceful.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

surely their bogus religious beliefs comes into it too?

Of course, but even if I'm at my most vulnerable I won't join because I know how obnoxious most of their membership is. Beck is the only cool one, and even his coolness level has dropped since he joined.

[yorrick brown]

so how long has scientology been around for?.did it start in the 1970`s when this hubbard dude wrote some book or something?.

[Digifruitella]

Communist countries were mostly atheist, but they weren't exactly peaceful.

If you're talking about Russia as an example although you didn't mention it, then you're wrong. The entire population of Russia has been hard Orthodox and only during the beginnings of the USSR did the government go against religion, as is the example during Stalinism when churches were torn down or used as storage facilities or sheds for chickens and such, and popes were told to denounce God. This was happening up until the 50's when Stalin and his crew realized this was pointless, from then on churchgoing was once more "okay" and separated from the govt. But I hope you're not implying that the entire people of a country were atheist, because as with the example of Russia, that would be false.

[Digifruitella]

You saying i HATE religion, shows that you do not understand ANYTHING in which i have written!!

but hey.. i will watch out for those "Scawwy" bugs you mentioned!

And maybe that's because none of it makes sense? Go back to page 1, to my reply and see what I was quoting. I don't really care what you hate or like, because either way that wasn't what I was replying to.

and what the fuck is a "scawwy" bug anyway :) Poor analogy, I know..

maybe a pictorial will do

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Odd%20Pics%202/Images/AnnesBug.jpg

I'd be pretty much shitting myself if this shit was flying straight at me. Dur..

[Tuukka]

If you're talking about Russia as an example although you didn't mention it, then you're wrong. The entire population of Russia has been hard Orthodox and only during the beginnings of the USSR did the government go against religion, as is the example during Stalinism when churches were torn down or used as storage facilities or sheds for chickens and such, and popes were told to denounce God. This was happening up until the 50's when Stalin and his crew realized this was pointless, from then on churchgoing was once more "okay" and separated from the govt. But I hope you're not implying that the entire people of a country were atheist, because as with the example of Russia, that would be false.

I don't see how anything you are saying here would contradict my point.

USSR's official religion was atheism. Goverment's supressing of religion was hardest under Stalin's rule, but Khrushchev continued the theme. It most certainly didn't stop in the 50's. Goverment remained it's heavily anti-religious stance until the end of soviet rule, even if it slowly stopped actually persecuting people. Religion was used in WW2 as one way to unify the nation and the supression of religion was temporarily put away, but religion was *not* used as a motivator for war. Yet Soviet Union was an imperialistic, war-mongering nation.

I never said that the people of USSR were atheist. There were a lot of people who practiced religion. But it's impossible to say how common it was. Some records say 2/3 of the nation professed atheism or agnostism, but certainly at least some of it was done due to social pressure, not due to lack of religious faith.

[SkyNet]

maybe a pictorial will do



I'd be pretty much shitting myself if this shit was flying straight at me. Dur..

is there supposed to be a picture there???

[Vong]

USSR's official religion was atheism. Goverment's supressing of religion was hardest under Stalin's rule, but Khrushchev continued the theme.

Not true. Under the Soviet Constitution, technically people were allowed to worship whichever faith they so chose. The only problem was Soviet leaders never tended to follow their own government documents, so depending on the Supreme Soviet in power, attitudes toward the faithful were different. After World War II, Stalin was actually lenient towards the Orthodox Church. He allowed a certain number of churches to function as long as they recognized Soviet rule. Stalin and most other Soviet leaders were only intolerant towards the Jews. Anti-Semitism was rampant in Russia, and still is.

The only problem with Stalin's attitude towards the Othrodox Christians was that it wasn't written in stone. When Stalin died and Khrushchev came into power, he initiated his "destalinization" campaign, basically eliminating all of Stain's policies towards creating the "model Soviet citizen." Subsequent leaders followed this model because the Soviets wanted to create the ideal citizen, not hindered by religious notions that would get in the way of the "world revolution".

Things changed under Gorbachev when he permitted the Othordox church and other faiths to be given free reign.

Yet Soviet Union was an imperialistic, war-mongering nation.

Really? If you want to call the Soviet Union "imperialistic" and "war-mongering", you might want to include the United States into that. Because the #1 reason for the Soviet Union persuing militaristic goals in South East Asia and the Middle East was large in part to countering the United States' own militaristic campaigns in the same regions. A blunt statement like yours ignores the geopolitical realities of the time.

I never said that the people of USSR were atheist. There were a lot of people who practiced religion. But it's impossible to say how common it was. Some records say 2/3 of the nation professed atheism or agnostism, but certainly at least some of it was done due to social pressure, not due to lack of religious faith.

It was true that in the early years of the Soviet Union a large population were predominantly atheist. The reason for this growth in atheism was large in part to the association the church had with the Tsars and it's tyranny over the Russian people pre-1917. The church was in favour of keeping the status quo because it preferred it's status (church and state were very much linked at this time). When the Russian Revolution occurred and the beginning of the civil war, the Red Army battled against anyone who favoured the status quo. Members of the White Army were also members of the clergy, and many clergymen and Orthodox representatives fought with the White Army against the Reds.

The real motivation for the anti-religious stance is purely political.

This changed however as time progressed. Under Stalin, as I mentioned above, religion became much more accepted, though still discriminated against. Over time, and after the Khrushchev and Brezhnev years, an underground religious campaign was under way. Using the underground literary "magazine" known as the samizdat, religious leaders gave sermons, philosophical teachings and prayers through the paper. A mass following was created and religion was growing in both the urban and rural areas of Russia. People never declared themselves as religious for fear of punishment or violence against them. Even the faithful denied their faith when asked. By the 1980s, well over 70% of the population declared a faith. The resurgence is linked to Gorbachev and his campaign to democratize the Soviet Union. People were no longer afraid to say they were Orthodox, Jewish or what-have-you.

[Lost in Space]

Its like a secrete club, I don't really want to join but i might jjust to see what its all about. If you jleave do they kill you?

[ListersParanoia]

Of course, but even if I'm at my most vulnerable I won't join because I know how obnoxious most of their membership is. Beck is the only cool one, and even his coolness level has dropped since he joined.

What?! Beck is in this now? Shit...I'm gonna miss him. Beck's already an odd duck so I don't think there's much more they could do to him but still the guy's cool and smart enough to create his OWN religion and I think he should.

[Z_oasis]

Beck was born into it... so that wholetime.... he was a rockin Scientologist. lol

[Shockwave]

Its like a secrete club, I don't really want to join but i might jjust to see what its all about. If you jleave do they kill you?

Yes.

..but your replaced by a clone, so nobody knows for sure!