WTF . . . Jonny Depp for best Actor?

[auge_28]

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Let me begin by saying that I love his work, everything that is but The Astronaut's Wife but of course he is not to be blamed that was all Rand Ravich fault.

All that being said I was not impressed by Sweeney Todd I enjoyed the story (not the music) I loved the sets, the make-up and costumes.

But come on, Best Actor why?

Sweeney was a shallow obsessed character, he just sat there vapid and empty as Mrs. Lovett all but threw herself at him.

(There is more but I am writing this post as I am on break at work so time if of the essence here.)

I don't think we get to see enough depth in this character for him to be offered up as Best Actor.

[Rawlin67]

i dont really care about that, he gets up every year, it just has to happen.

however, im pissed helena bonham carter didnt get up. i honestly think if i chose winners and such, i would have given her the award. she gave one of her best, if not THE best performance.

[Superplasmatron]

fuck depp, fuck the oscars

[Shockwave]

I didnt get this either AT ALL, and i loved the movie.

The role just didnt need much depth. It wasnt required.

I also agree that Carter should be the one up for an award for best supporting actress. She was, by far, the best thing about the movie.

It just seems to be a bone thrown at Depp by the Oscars because they know people like him.

Day Lewis in THERE WILL BE BLOOD should win hands down, but thats just me.:cool:

[Bourne101]

fuck depp

Are you fucking kidding me? That may be the most ignorant post I've ever read. Johnny Depp is not only one of the best actors working today, but he is simply an amazing and great person. Depp was great as Sweeney Todd, there is no denying it. Even if you didn't like the movie, there is no denying that Depp had a great performance. He had to expand his dynamics even furthur to play this role and did it well. To just say "fuck depp" is just plain insulting, ignorant and rude. I know you didn't mean to blow it out of proportion but maybe think before you post.

[Le_Big_Mac]

I don't think he should win (that honor should go to Daniel Day-Lewis) but I have no problem with the nomination. He filled the character's boots well enough. He's a great actor and hopefully he'll eventually give a truly amazing performance that will win him an Oscar.

[deppjolieperabo]

the movie was amazing and so was johnny! so of course he deserves to be nominated.

[Superplasmatron]

the movie was amazing and so was johnny! so of course he deserves to be nominated.


i think he was awful and the film was horrible. I was offended by his english accent and his singing.

[X-Nightcrawler]

It doesn't matter, the academy wants to give Johnny an Oscar nod. If he had acted in a movie called "Ass" and it was just that for two hours (yes, i watched "Idiocracy" recently), he would've gotten the same.

[Hannibal21]

I don't think he should win (that honor should go to Daniel Day-Lewis) but I have no problem with the nomination. He filled the character's boots well enough. He's a great actor and hopefully he'll eventually give a truly amazing performance that will win him an Oscar.

Ditto. Depp may not have been as boisterous or towering as George Hearn was in the stage production, but I thought the way he internalized the character's emotions instead of playing it so big and broad worked incredibly well for the film and its gloominess, it was a terrific interpretation of the role and he definitely made it his own.

With that said, I would agree that Helena Bonham Carter delivered the best, most well rounded acting job - her musical performances were also delightful, sly, and wicked - in that film. She's still my pick for the single Best Female Performance of the year, bar none. :)

[Digifruitella]

Are you fucking kidding me? That may be the most ignorant post I've ever read. Johnny Depp is not only one of the best actors working today, but he is simply an amazing and great person.

Umm, do you know him? :rolleyes:

[Bourne101]

Umm, do you know him? :rolleyes:

Um... have you ever heard anything negative about him as a person. Do you realize what he does for his community, charity and he just donated a shitload of money to a hospital and comes in and reads stories to the sick children.

Um... do I need to fucking know him? That is pretty much the worst excuse you can give when you feel the need to disagree with someone. "Do you know him?" Give me a break. :rolleyes:

[Bourne101]

I was offended by his english accent and his singing.

You were offended? Sounded pretty damn authentic to me.

[athf1980]

note I have not seen Sweeny Todd. I would have seen it if had come where I live.

I got no problem with Depp being nomaited for that role. To me He is a great actor. He plays a character you don't remember it's Depp. You remember that great character that he played.

[EVILxxx]

I was offended by his english accent

Huh?

I don't think Depp has any chance of winning it this year.

[Cronos]

I wouldn't have a problem if he wins, he was great in it.

[Digifruitella]

Um... have you ever heard anything negative about him as a person. Do you realize what he does for his community, charity and he just donated a shitload of money to a hospital and comes in and reads stories to the sick children.

Um... do I need to fucking know him? That is pretty much the worst excuse you can give when you feel the need to disagree with someone. "Do you know him?" Give me a break. :rolleyes:

Well, it's all fine and dandy what he does for his community and that he reads stories to kids, but you just sound like you're all over the guy :D

[bigred760]

I'm not surprised with his nomination because it's not easy being the lead in a musical (much less a movie). His singing was excellent, his performance superb, and he led a dark musical, which is rare in itself.

[Rawlin67]

Um... have you ever heard anything negative about him as a person. Do you realize what he does for his community, charity and he just donated a shitload of money to a hospital and comes in and reads stories to the sick children.

Um... do I need to fucking know him? That is pretty much the worst excuse you can give when you feel the need to disagree with someone. "Do you know him?" Give me a break. :rolleyes:

you still dont know anything about his personality because you have yet to spend any time with him. Plenty of shitty people have thrown shitloads of money to charity to look good, its not like they need the money, they got plenty of it and do things for image.

[Bourne101]

you still dont know anything about his personality because you have yet to spend any time with him. Plenty of shitty people have thrown shitloads of money to charity to look good, its not like they need the money, they got plenty of it and do things for image.

Maybe, but my original point was that there is no evident reason to say "fuck Depp".

[Rawlin67]

well, that part of your point is certainly true. he has never done anything negative to make you say hes a terrible guy, and i find it hard to believe someone that is a good film buff would say he isnt a talented actor. because he gets nominated every year no matter what role he does isnt his fault, so he cant be blamed for it.

[a7xfan]

you still dont know anything about his personality because you have yet to spend any time with him. Plenty of shitty people have thrown shitloads of money to charity to look good, its not like they need the money, they got plenty of it and do things for image.

yes alot of celebs do, do this type of shit. but do they do this.


johnny depp went into a hospital to the childrens ward, dressed up as jack sparrow and read books to them for hours. does an asshole do that, he has also just donated alot of money to the hospital that helped his daughter. nothing bad has ever been said about him. to me he is the most genuine and nicest guys in hollywood.

so i aggree with bourne101 when he says that saying 'fuck johnny depp' is un-called for, i really dont see where people getr this stupid mentality, but it fucks me off big style.

[Tyler_Durden_208]

I just found the movie to be an insult to its source material, and Depp's portrayal (along with Burton's direction) was central to the grievances.

[detective mills]

Emile Hirsch deserved the nomination much more than Depp.

[LordSimen]

you still dont know anything about his personality because you have yet to spend any time with him. Plenty of shitty people have thrown shitloads of money to charity to look good, its not like they need the money, they got plenty of it and do things for image.

So the people who trash Depp get away scott free, but the people who praise Depp need to know him to praise him? You can't have that kind of double standard. Either you know him or you don't. If you aren't allowed to praise him because you don't know him, you shouldn't be allowed to trash him either.

[Boner X-Ray]

The nomination really doesn't matter. He's got no chance in hell.

[Rawlin67]

So the people who trash Depp get away scott free, but the people who praise Depp need to know him to praise him? You can't have that kind of double standard. Either you know him or you don't. If you aren't allowed to praise him because you don't know him, you shouldn't be allowed to trash him either.

when the fuck did i say anyone has the right to trash him?

dont put words in my mouth, i can speak for myself.
i didnt say it was right to trash him, and you can praise him for his acting abilities, im simply saying for all the charitable things a person can do, they can still be a bad guy, because you just dont know their personality.

[bigred760]

I'm really not sure what all the arguing is about, but regardless of whether or not anybody knows Johnny Depp personally or not, the man is shown to be a stand-up great guy. He did the hospital thing, he was voted the #1 celebrity as far as autographs are concerned, and is considered one of the best actors working today. All of it could be for publicity sake, but I never hear anything bad about him, like jumping on Oprah's couch or entering rehab, going to prison, or being arrested for DUI.

Though I really don't think his life outside of movies matters as far as his chances of winning a Best Actor Oscar.

fuck depp, fuck the oscars

This is basically pointless to the thread; it doesn't mention anything about his performance, the movie, anything. It basically says I don't like the actor so he shouldn't be in or win anything. If anything, expand on the "thought" that was posted.

[Rawlin67]

the SAG awards got it right, by keeping him out. I dont know if Emile Hirsch necessarrily deserved it, cuz i havent seen Into the Wild yet (im seeing it on Monday!), but there are a few actors i would have thrown out before Depp that didnt make it. (James McAvoy, for one)

[Superplasmatron]

jonny depp has spent the latter of his carear trying to seem edgy and weird, hes a fucking boring prick and so are all who sail in him.

[LordSimen]

when the fuck did i say anyone has the right to trash him?

dont put words in my mouth, i can speak for myself.
i didnt say it was right to trash him, and you can praise him for his acting abilities, im simply saying for all the charitable things a person can do, they can still be a bad guy, because you just dont know their personality.

I never put any words in your mouth. Reread what I said. I was speaking in general. The guy who praises Depp gets hit with "Do you know him?" while the person saying "Fuck Johnny Depp" doesn't get any attention. Like I said, you can't have it both ways.

[bigred760]

jonny depp has spent the latter of his carear trying to seem edgy and weird,

How is that different from the beginning of his career?


hes a fucking boring prick and so are all who sail in him.

I don't know what that means, but it sounds uncomfortable.

[Superplasmatron]

How is that different from the beginning of his career?



I don't know what that means, but it sounds uncomfortable.

he was in 21 jump street, you seen it?

then the next thing you know hes got his own nightclub banging winnie ryder and hanging out with iggy pop, hes a phony

that said I love his work and agree that he comes across as a very nice chap in interviews

I was joking, why must everyone be so sycophantic on these boards?

[bigred760]

he was in 21 jump street, you seen it?


I wouldn't exactly compare his roles in the last few movies to "21 Jump Street."


then the next thing you know hes got his own nightclub banging winnie ryder and hanging out with iggy pop, hes a phony

You don't think that's as weird as his later roles.


that said I love his work and agree that he comes across as a very nice chap in interviews

I was joking, why must everyone be so sycophantic on these boards?

Because we don't know what you mean. Throw in a smiley face or something.

[therealjohng]

fuck depp, fuck the oscars


Hahaha, so much truth with so little words.

[auge_28]

Wow, I was just shocked to see his name on the list for this film.
I did not mean to stir this much shit.

[DaMovieMan]

It's pretty much a travesty that Depp got nominated for what will be remembered, I believe, as the worst performance of his career. He had one expression through-out the whole movie, when he shouted it sounded like barking and it sounded BAD but it's his singing that takes the cake. Terrible, terrible singing with limited vocal range and when he does try to sing high it just isn't good pure and simple, sounds like a bad pop-boy band voice, terrible.
As for the person himself, I believe he is awesome, a friend of mine met him and chilled with him a bit on the set of Secret Window and said that he's cool and down-to-earth. Apart from that, he lives in France and is raising his kids outside of Hollywood's claws which tells me he's intelligent.
The only problem i have with him now is his role picking, it seemed like it used to be for the role before but now it seems like it's money more and more. The god-awful Pirates of the Caribbean sequel's started it all and then Burton came along and gave him the one role that is completely not for him, just coz it would be a Burton-Depp collaboration again and for nothing else. Hopefully Johnny picks his roles a bit better and the directors know what they're doing when they choose him. (looking good so far for the future with Mann and possibly Gilliam)

PS: Bohnam Carter deserves the nomination much much more than Depp, her role was awesome and she played it beautifully. She's pretty much the reason why I didn't walk out of the cinema. Her and the major highlight: Sacha Baron Cohen.

[a7xfan]

Because we don't know what you mean. Throw in a smiley face or something.

yeah agreed

and in future admit it was a joke, a bit earlier on in the thread please, this is how arguments start

[Hoosier91]

Are you fucking kidding me? That may be the most ignorant post I've ever read. Johnny Depp is not only one of the best actors working today, but he is simply an amazing and great person. Depp was great as Sweeney Todd, there is no denying it. Even if you didn't like the movie, there is no denying that Depp had a great performance. He had to expand his dynamics even furthur to play this role and did it well. To just say "fuck depp" is just plain insulting, ignorant and rude. I know you didn't mean to blow it out of proportion but maybe think before you post.



bourne, do you know how much i love you.
haha, word.

[AndrewDB]

Because he's long over due for it.

[Digifruitella]

So the people who trash Depp get away scott free, but the people who praise Depp need to know him to praise him? You can't have that kind of double standard. Either you know him or you don't. If you aren't allowed to praise him because you don't know him, you shouldn't be allowed to trash him either.

Oh definitely! In no way I say "Yeah man, Fuck Depp!" I think the guy's rant was more on the dislike of the character of Sweeney Todd and he thought it wasn't worthy of a nomination. But also remember, he said "I love his work" he doesn't hate the guy. Now if somebody wrote a whole rant on "Fuck Depp" as a person, I would also ask him "Umm..do you know him?" Actors are fascade, they aren't your family members. I like Depp, and hearing that he does good deed for his community and sick kids pleases me...but just throwing out "he's the most genuine, yadda yadda person in Hollywood" statements are ridiculous, cos we don't know what he is like as a person..nor any other actor/actress in Hollywood for that matter.

[DaMovieMan]

Because he's long over due for it.

And if he gets it just for that fact (which the Academy's been known to do in the past) I will forever hate them for robbing Day-Lewis AGAIN. :mad:

[Oldskin]

Yeah DDL got robbed real good in 2002, if he does not win this year I will lose all respect I have for the Academy.

[bigred760]

Daniel Day Lewis already has an Oscar . . . that might be the one and only reason Depp will win this year.

He won't, but that'll be the reason if he does.

[Shockwave]

No way in hell does Depp deserve to win for SWEENEY.

It was "GOOD" performance that didnt ask much of him, other then to be void of emotion.

I loved the movie (8/10), but that role really didnt require much.


Day Lewis should win without a doubt.

..and not because "he was robbed before" or "hes long overdue", but because the performance he gave THIS YEAR was earth shattering. Just awesome, unforgettable stuff.:cool:

[Strider]

I absolutely loved Sweeney Todd myself -- one of the best films of 2007, as far as I'm concerned. Johnny Depp is a terrific actor, and I thought he delivered a great performance, worthy of an Oscar nomination. HOWEVER, the Oscar for Best Actor must be awarded to Daniel Day-Lewis, who was simply electrifying in There Will Be Blood.

I have a feeling Depp will win an Oscar someday, but it cannot be this year.

Strider

[BadCoverVersion]

You were offended? Sounded pretty damn authentic to me.

Cor Blimey Guv'nor...I can assure you it wasn't. About as authentic as Dick Van Dyke maybe.

Depp is a big fan of recent Brit comics such as Whitehouse/Sessions et al and for some reason he seems to be channeling the fictional residents of Stella Street in recent performances. There was more than a smattering of 'Keef' present in Captain Jack, and for Sweeney he seems to be adopting some bizarro Anthony Newley/David Bowie persona.

He seems like a nice guy but his recent performances are little more than entertaining caricatures.

[Cosimo]

Cor Blimey Guv'nor...I can assure you it wasn't. About as authentic as Dick Van Dyke maybe.

Depp is a big fan of recent Brit comics such as Whitehouse/Sessions et al and for some reason he seems to be channeling the fictional residents of Stella Street in recent performances. There was more than a smattering of 'Keef' present in Captain Jack, and for Sweeney he seems to be adopting some bizarro Anthony Newley/David Bowie persona.

He seems like a nice guy but his recent performances are little more than entertaining caricatures.

Agreed!

Talented actor and lovely chap but he aint no bleedin Day Lewis gov

[The Postmaster General]

Come on, man. THIS is the choice we laud the Academy for? THIS will be the decision that decides whether or not we respect the Academy?

All the Oscars are is an acknowledgment from Hollywood. It's nothing more. The Best Picture isn't the best picture. I feel patronizing saying this kind of stuff because I feel its such common knowledge, yet we chose to ignore common sense for the sake of bellyaching and throwing in who liked what better.

If Johnny Depp winning an Oscar is a big enough problem for you to take the Oscars as a joke, a strongly encourage you to take more interest in a much more serious awards show, like the Razzies.

[Monotreme]

The Oscar nomination came as a more-than-pleasant surprise: Also as a well-deserved mention of Sweeney Todd in the major categories it ended up getting shut out of; and also because Johnny Depp is a fantastic actor who by the time he was nominated for Pirates of the Caribbean was more than over-due for an Oscar nod, so I say the more the merrier for the guy. He definitely deserves it. Besides, the Oscar nomination is not for "character with the most depth", it's for the best performance, and combining his ferocity, malice and the extremely difficult singing, I'd say the guy more than deserves it.

The Oscar nominations do bring up quite a few questions, such as why do movies like Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Hairspray, Waitress, and Before the Devil Knows You're Dead have 0 nominations while Norbit has 1? But that's a different story.

[auge_28]

. . . Besides, the Oscar nomination is not for "character with the most depth", it's for the best performance, and combining his ferocity, malice and the extremely difficult singing, I'd say the guy more than deserves it..

I suppose you do have a point here.
It is sometimes hard to keep my opinion of the film out of the equation. I don't see the film as being the wonderful piece of art that most of you seem to, and hey thats my right.

On the other hand is my not giving a shit about this film clouding my view of Depp's performance . . . in all fairness I must say that this may be the case.

So, unfortunately for me, I will need to re-watch this film with an eye on Depp when my daughter gets the disk.

This is compounded by the fact that I have little knowledge of how the academy basses it's decisions.

All that said I do not see how it can compare with anything I saw in Eastern Promises or No Country For Old Men . . . but then there I go again leading with my opinion.

[DaMovieMan]

I'm going to keep stressing this fact because it seems to be flying over so many heads including the Academy's. Depp's singing is terrible and he's the main character of a musical. That alone shouldn't warrant a nomination. Why do you think this guy doesn't usualy do musicals or why do you think no one ever heard of his band? Cause he aint that good.
Apart from the singing, his acting range only showed in a couple of scenes, usually he was a one-dimensional maniac that could of been played by countless of actors.
As an actor Depp definately deserves an Oscar, he's excellent, but that shouldn't mean that he needs to get nominated for a role that he was clearly not good in and that so many other actors, who have more singing talent, could of played much better.

[The Postmaster General]

See though, I think that's unfair because it is a musical. Archetypes, single dimensioned characters is pretty much a staple of musicals. That's beside it all though --- The thing I think is flying over so many heads is the fact that the Academy is nothing more than a venue to pay props to people in the biz who have gained respect among their peers. It's voted on by peers, managed by peers... You can go through practically every year and look at the best actor and say, "yeah, he was good in that, but he should have gotten it for this."

It isn't about "best" - no ifs ands buts, and I'm surprised at how much doubt. Depp deserves an Oscar - everyone seems to agree, and that is why he's nominated, because his peers, not his audience, has determined this and will probably continue putting him up for nomination on every yearly standout he does until he actually wins. Then they will move on to the next guy who's overdue.