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the saw is family

09-08-2008, 12:22 AM

If anyone talks shit now about Rashad Evans, they are fucking clueless.

rashad still hasn't shown a whole hell of a lot in his career yet. last night he did absolutely nothing in the first round, and then took advantage of a huge hole in chucks game(his absolute refusal to keep his hands up). i'm not taking anything away from his win. that was a fucking amazing punch and it's his first win over a top ten opponent. what did we learn from this fight though? all i learned is that rashad has a hell of an over hand right. his next best win is michael bisping, who was just a blown up middleweight and that was a split decision. he had a draw with tito, and has no other notable wins on his record. (the wins over bonnar and lambert are ok at best, neither of those guys will ever be top ten). so this is what we know about rashad, is that he has great wrestling and improved striking. his striking honestly didn't look great in the first round of the fight against chuck.

like i said the win over chuck is a great win for him, but lets see how he fairs against forrest who will be the toughest test of his career. if he manages to beat forrest and grab the title, then congrats and he's officially a major player at 205. as of right now there's still some questions about rashad, not as many as there were a year or two ago but there's still a few imo.

scottmushroom

09-08-2008, 01:11 AM

rashad still hasn't shown a whole hell of a lot in his career yet. last night he did absolutely nothing in the first round, and then took advantage of a huge hole in chucks game(his absolute refusal to keep his hands up). i'm not taking anything away from his win. that was a fucking amazing punch and it's his first win over a top ten opponent. what did we learn from this fight though? all i learned is that rashad has a hell of an over hand right. his next best win is michael bisping, who was just a blown up middleweight and that was a split decision. he had a draw with tito, and has no other notable wins on his record. (the wins over bonnar and lambert are ok at best, neither of those guys will ever be top ten). so this is what we know about rashad, is that he has great wrestling and improved striking. his striking honestly didn't look great in the first round of the fight against chuck.

like i said the win over chuck is a great win for him, but lets see how he fairs against forrest who will be the toughest test of his career. if he manages to beat forrest and grab the title, then congrats and he's officially a major player at 205. as of right now there's still some questions about rashad, not as many as there were a year or two ago but there's still a few imo.
That pretty well sums it up. It was a sweet KO, but much like the Sean Salmon fight he didn;t do shit to impress me up to that point.

sbunn10

09-08-2008, 09:01 AM

I just hate Evans because of his fucking dancing around the octagon like a bitch.. its no wonder Chuck let his guard down, he was following Evans around for a round, trying to chase him down. O well.. very dissapointing.

rob the many

09-08-2008, 09:50 AM

That punch was sick. Evans will win the belt. I don't know how or why I just have a feeling.

the saw is family

09-08-2008, 10:06 AM

That punch was sick. Evans will win the belt. I don't know how or why I just have a feeling.

i disagree i think forrest out works him and out sizes him by a large margin. rashad is a very small 205'er he could easily fight at 185. forrest is huge at 205, he's gonna have weight, length and experience on rashad. forrest has faced overall better competition than rashad as well. my early pick is forrest by sub (rear naked choke) round 4. although a ud wouldn't surprise me either.

scottmushroom

09-08-2008, 11:52 AM

Forrest is way more well rounded than Rashad is. In my opinion, the only advantage Rashad has in this fight is wrestling. Ever since the Jardine fight Forrest has been looking better and way more technical on his feet, the Shogun fight showed that he has good ground game, and the Rampage fight showed that he can pick his shots without trying to bumrush the guy as well as that he can go 5 rounds. Rashad showed me that he has impressive KO power if he dances around until the other guy gets pissed, drops his hands, and lets him load up full power for a power shot (kinda like Herring just stood there while Lesnar loaded up).

scottmushroom

09-08-2008, 10:57 PM

Damn, I just found out that Evan Tanner died.:(
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7059&zoneid=13

MISFITS_Fiend

09-09-2008, 01:03 AM

I just read about Evan Tanner too...goddamn, that sucks. He was always one of my favorite fighters, just because of the heart he put into every fight.

RIP Evan...hopefully you found your peace.

MISFITS_Fiend

09-09-2008, 01:04 AM

rashad still hasn't shown a whole hell of a lot in his career yet. last night he did absolutely nothing in the first round, and then took advantage of a huge hole in chucks game(his absolute refusal to keep his hands up). i'm not taking anything away from his win. that was a fucking amazing punch and it's his first win over a top ten opponent. what did we learn from this fight though? all i learned is that rashad has a hell of an over hand right. his next best win is michael bisping, who was just a blown up middleweight and that was a split decision. he had a draw with tito, and has no other notable wins on his record. (the wins over bonnar and lambert are ok at best, neither of those guys will ever be top ten). so this is what we know about rashad, is that he has great wrestling and improved striking. his striking honestly didn't look great in the first round of the fight against chuck.

like i said the win over chuck is a great win for him, but lets see how he fairs against forrest who will be the toughest test of his career. if he manages to beat forrest and grab the title, then congrats and he's officially a major player at 205. as of right now there's still some questions about rashad, not as many as there were a year or two ago but there's still a few imo.

Okay, maybe my comment was a bit much...but whatever he's doing seems to be working. It's not all cans that are getting thrown at him; he has defeated some quality fighters. I would have preferred Liddell/Griffin myself, but I think it could still be a good fight regardless.

Mopar Fanatic

09-14-2008, 01:23 PM

Rashad still spends way way too much time moving around doing not much of anything. If he doesn't correct that it's going to haunt him. He got extremely lucky that it didn't burn him in the Tito fight, and this time around it looked like he might be well on his way to losing a decision before he dropped that bomb. I wasn't impressed with him besides that right hand. He did seem to gain confidence during the fight by surviving a few exchanges though, and that might have been what gave him the idea to swing from the heels with that punch. It reminded me of Randleman vs. Mirko. I give him credit for KO'ing Chuck, but right now it looks like he got a little lucky. If he starts KO'ing guys now with punches like the one he hit Chuck with then he wasn't lucky.

Mopar Fanatic

09-14-2008, 01:24 PM

and evan tanner is a fucking retard

Criminal Rock

09-15-2008, 01:55 PM

I don't know about that... he seemed pretty cool to me.

RIP

DarkKnight81

09-15-2008, 07:47 PM

I hope Chuck fights Shogun in December or January. That fight was supposed to happen in May and I'd still love to see it.

MISFITS_Fiend

09-16-2008, 11:40 PM

and evan tanner is a fucking retard

Jealous much? I'm sure he did more with his short life than most people.

eljefe15

09-17-2008, 12:36 AM

the saw is family

09-17-2008, 06:40 AM

Don't hate on Rashad people. How can you say he didn't do anything in the first round? I mean he was fighting going backwards cuz that's what you do when you fight Chuck Liddell. Only an idiot would go toe to toe with him and think they can survive. He was slipping, moving side to side, ducking and everything else he had to do not to get hit. But that's not all, he was actually landing punches. Look at Chuck's face when he was in the corner after the first round. He had some bruising and cuts already. But regardless of all that, everybody has their own style and strategy to every fight. You can say it's boring to watch Rashad or whatever, but it seems to work for him. Ask Chuck, he'll tell you, after he recovers from getting knocked the fuck out, of course. LOL!

i don't think anyone's hating on rashad. i think everyone gave him credit for that win. he just didn't do much in the first round. yes he landed a couple of shots but thats it. you can be defensive and use a lo tof movement and still have effective offense, watch the machida/tito fight or the machida/soko fight. i agree that rashad did the smart thing by not getting into exchanges with chuck early, but like i said also he didn't do much and there are still questions about him. i'm sure those questions will be answered when he faces forrest for the title.

anyway ultimate fight tonight and new season of tuf start should be good times. i'm hoping guida/danzig turns out to be a war.

eljefe15

09-17-2008, 07:30 AM

i don't think anyone's hating on rashad. i think everyone gave him credit for that win. he just didn't do much in the first round. yes he landed a couple of shots but thats it. you can be defensive and use a lo tof movement and still have effective offense, watch the machida/tito fight or the machida/soko fight. i agree that rashad did the smart thing by not getting into exchanges with chuck early, but like i said also he didn't do much and there are still questions about him. i'm sure those questions will be answered when he faces forrest for the title.

That's all great but what did Chuck do in that first round? What did he do in the fight? I'll tell you what, very little. Rashad was clean after the fight, no cuts, no bruises. Chuck landed some great punches during the fight, but they were few and far between.

the saw is family

09-17-2008, 09:45 AM

That's all great but what did Chuck do in that first round? What did he do in the fight? I'll tell you what, very little. Rashad was clean after the fight, no cuts, no bruises. Chuck landed some great punches during the fight, but they were few and far between.

you're one hundred percent correct chuck did do very little in the fight. i'm not saying chuck fought a good or exciting fight. chuck is a counter striker when he tries to be aggressive it doesn't work for him most of the time. i do think chuck won the first round due to his aggression even though the offense was minimal. the fight itself was pretty boring, it was rashad using footwork to be defensive, while chuck tried to stalk him down which isn't his strong suit. it was a clash of styles that produced a very uneventful fight until the final exchange.

bourahioro

09-18-2008, 11:00 PM

For anyone who's into fighting: I just got some Bas Rutten dvds, Lethal Street-fighting, MMA Workout, and Big Dvd of Combat (vol.8) - I recommend these highly, very detailed, and worth the money, explaining everything from striking, situational fighting, kicking, etc. They're worth their weight in gold, seriously. These mixed with any fight training you already have, or are currently taking will maximize your effectiveness in the fight game.

scottmushroom

09-30-2008, 10:57 PM

Anyone else excited to see Arlovski Saturday night?

Mopar Fanatic

09-30-2008, 11:52 PM

Anyone else excited to see Arlovski Saturday night?

yep, Arlovski's got it in the bag

chasingbanky

10-01-2008, 02:38 PM

yep, Arlovski's got it in the bag

Against the Baby Faced Assassin?

DarkKnight81

10-01-2008, 06:14 PM

No, AA is fighting Roy Nelson. If he wins he'll likely meet Fedor in January. Some big UFC news in the last couple of days...here's how some of the cards are shaping up.

UFC 91 November: Couture vs Lesnar, Florian vs Stevenson
UFC 92 December: Nog vs Mir, Wand vs Rampage
UFC 93 Mid-January: Franklin vs Henderson, Shogun vs Mark Coleman
UFC 94 Late January: GSP vs BJP, Thiago Silva vs Machida

If Anderson gets out of the Cote fight unscathed he'll probably fight at 205lbs at UFC 94.

Forrest vs Rashad could be added to one of these shows or might be pushed to February.

Rumor is that TUF season 9 is supposed to be a USAvsUK themed show, with Michael Bisping as the UK coach. The USA coach was supposed to be Hendo but who knows now, maybe the winner of Hendo-Ace gets the gig.

the saw is family

10-02-2008, 08:02 AM

i read this morning that forrest/rashad is going to be added to the card for 92. also read that mousasi is going to fight vitor and fedor vs. barnett is going to take place at the january affliction show. i think arlovski/nelson is going to be much more competitive than people think. i think andrei will win but nelson will be able to hang with him. shields should be able to sub daley fairly easily and i hope ninja can keep up his winning ways and get a rematch with lawler.

DunlopolnuD

10-02-2008, 01:30 PM

2 PPV's in January? Is 93 suppose to be free or something?

Some amazing cards though. As great as it is to see Franklin and Hendo fighting, it's going to pain me to see one of them lose... Hendo's going to be 1-3 in the UFC, or Rich is going to be 1-1 in LHW, it's a lose-lose if you ask me. 91 is probably the one that least catches my eye, but I'll probably still be getting that one.

Isn't the Affliction card also in January? Anyone think they'll be rescheduling? Is Fedor really suppose to fight in 2 consecutive months, or did they cancel his New Years tradition?

DarkKnight81

10-02-2008, 02:49 PM

It's very possible that UFC 93 could be free since it's overseas. But with two huge fights like Hendo-Ace and Machida-Silva, they may just go ahead and PPV it.

Affliction is still in January. I heard Barnet may be fighting Fedor which makes sense I guess. I would like to see Arlovski then fight Aleks E. and if he wins that then fight the winner of Fedor-Barnett. Either way, AA deserves a damn title shot in the UFC, Affliction, and any other org. he decides to fight in.

I did hear some slight rumblings about having Kimbo fight Fedor in February. Now before all of you think this is the worst idea ever because Fedor will obviously kill Kimbo, hear me out. Kimbo is a massive hype train and will continue to be so after he KO's Shamrock and until someone beats him. Brett Rodgers will beat Kimbo, but do you really want to shatter Kimbo's hype with a loss to Brett Rodgers? No. If EliteXC and Affliction really want to pull in some PPV's, have Kimbo vs Fedor. Sure Kimbo will be demolished but so was Tim Sylvia. Huge PPV buy rates + Kimbo not losing to a nobody = huge success. If Kimbo loses to Fedor, which he will, it won't lessen his stock to the hardcore MMA fans because we all know what he really is, a fraud. If he loses to Brett Rodgers or Antonio Silva he'd be losing for a lesser purpose. feed him to Fedor and let the fans take it in.

Oh by the way, despite his recent loss I'm betting on Anderson Silva vs Chuck Liddell at UFC 94.

the saw is family

10-02-2008, 06:14 PM

as for fedor/kimbo i don't think that fight will happen. yeah it would make sense from a business stand point but i just don't think it will ever materialize. i think kimbo will continue to be fed non-threatening opponents for a little while. i think if exc is going to try ppv they will put kimbo against brett rogers because of their feud and rogers calling out kimbo. exc's heavyweight division is so damn light they won't have many options.

as for fedor on new years eve the only thing i heard is he might fight satoshi ishii who won the gold medal in judo this year and is japanese. competitively the fight would be a farce but it would be something the japanese fans would love. also dream is having huge financial problems right now and they've said they will have a new years event but nothing is guaranteed. hopefully fedor forgoes it this year and takes the january fight with barnett as it's a much more compelling fight.

anderson/chuck wouldn't surprise me i'd feel bad for chuck as he would be absolutely destroyed and i'm a huge chuck fan.

DarkKnight81

10-02-2008, 09:23 PM

Fedor vs Barnett isn't happening. Barnett turned it down, not sure why. Hopefully this opens the doors for Andrei pending a good performance on Saturday. I'd like to see Barnett vs Sylvia.

the saw is family

10-02-2008, 11:09 PM

Fedor vs Barnett isn't happening. Barnett turned it down, not sure why. Hopefully this opens the doors for Andrei pending a good performance on Saturday. I'd like to see Barnett vs Sylvia.

yeah i read that too, completely mystifying on that. i like barnett a lot but this is the second time he's turned down fedor, i don't ever say a fighter is ducking someone (except kj noons) but it just seems odd that barnett would turn it down. i mean it's not like he's trying to protect an undefeated record and if he loses it's no big deal everyone loses to fedor. like you said hopefully arlovski gets the slot now.

DarkKnight81

10-02-2008, 11:49 PM

Well considering AA was due for a title shot in the UFC before they stupidly let him go, he deserved a shot at Fedor more than Tim did. Ultimately I think AA loses but I think it will be competitive as long as AA can keep the fight standing. Lots of guys getting screwed out of UFC title shots, Fabricio Werdum, Lyoto Machida. Machida should be getting first pickens on Forrest while Rashad fights Rampage for the next shot. Fabricio should be fighting Couture, not Lesnar. I understand the UFC is a business and does what is most financially beneficial but the winner of Wand/Page will likely get the shot at the winner of Rashad/Forrest. Meanwhile Machida will go to 14-0 by defeating an undefeated fighter in Thiago Silva, and still will not get a shot. The only way he gets a shot is if Wand and Page simultaneously KO each other or fight to a draw. He'll probably fight Shogun if Shogun wins and the winner of that gets a title shot. Winner of Florian/Stevenson should fight the winner of Sherk/Griffin for the next shot at BJ once he decides he should stay at 155 after GSP reminds him. Winner of Sanchez/Alves should fight the winner of Koscheck/Yoshida(assuming it happens) and the winner gets GSP. After Anderson mops up Cote, he should fight Chuck Liddell and then God knows what, maybe Bisping. I wish I had Joe Silva's job.:D

DarkKnight81

10-04-2008, 07:33 PM

Fuck man, Ken Shamrock sustained a bad cut during a sparring session this morning and will not be fighting tonight! That sucks.

Criminal Rock

10-04-2008, 07:43 PM

Source?

Mopar Fanatic

10-04-2008, 07:52 PM

Gina Carano barely made weight and had to get naked to do so.

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/100308weigh/1014.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5415/ginacaranoqh2.jpg

Mopar Fanatic

10-04-2008, 07:53 PM

Source?

http://mmajunkie.com/news/12936/ken-shamrock-out-of-elitexc-heat-due-to-injury.mma

They'll have to scramble for a last minute replacement now.

Mopar Fanatic

10-04-2008, 07:56 PM

Gina Carano barely made weight and had to get naked to do so.

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/100308weigh/1014.jpg

Fuck I just noticed this, guy on the right sneaking a peek.

DunlopolnuD

10-04-2008, 10:28 PM

Fuck I just noticed this, guy on the right sneaking a peek.

You mean Papa Carano?

That Shamrock news sucks ass, on the bright side we still get to see Arlovski Vs. Nelson, which I thought was going to be the fight of the night either way.

scottmushroom

10-04-2008, 11:58 PM

Wow I was not expecting the Kimbo hype train to get derailed by a guy who took the fight on 1.5 hours notice......I knew he would eventually lose, but.....damn!

Scarface98.9

10-05-2008, 12:03 AM

Wow I was not expecting the Kimbo hype train to get derailed by a guy who took the fight on 1.5 hours notice......I knew he would eventually lose, but.....damn!

And in 14 seconds no less

DarkKnight81

10-05-2008, 12:30 AM

Ninja has got to be the sloppiest fighter ever. I know Chute Boxe guys are kind of wild but that guy must be the goofiest to ever come out of that camp.

I can't believe Jake Shields had the nerve to talk crap about GSP, he would get worked by the majority of UFC welterweights.

Haha at Kimbo. Hopefully Ken and Frank fight since Frank said Ken disgraced the Shamrock name!

bourahioro

10-05-2008, 12:46 AM

Frank is a piece of shit, and shit talks waaaay too much, especially about Ken - I think Ken would whoop him. I'd love to see Frank fight Bas again.

DunlopolnuD

10-05-2008, 02:29 AM

Anyone else see Jared Shaw screaming, in the background, at the ref? I would like to know what he was saying, doesn't really matter though, there was nothing he could do to save Kimbo.

Arlovski is fucking badass, Affliction should really set-up him and Fedor... though I feel Fedor would win, I think it would be a great fight.

Salieri

10-05-2008, 02:51 AM

He was screaming "back of the head!" He shouldn't be openly cheering for certain fighters.

Cosimo

10-05-2008, 07:06 AM

Wow I was not expecting the Kimbo hype train to get derailed by a guy who took the fight on 1.5 hours notice......I knew he would eventually lose, but.....damn!

shocking! the punch didn't even look all that

DarkKnight81

10-05-2008, 11:37 AM

Arlovski is fucking badass, Affliction should really set-up him and Fedor... though I feel Fedor would win, I think it would be a great fight.

I gotta say I like AA, he's definitely a top 5 HW but he looked horrible last night. He got rocked a couple times, he leaves his chin just hanging out there, I don't care how quick he moves his head. And fatboy took him down easily and nearly submitted him. After watching that I don't think Fedor would have much trouble with him.

the saw is family

10-05-2008, 03:48 PM

well first off soon as i heard petruzelli was gonna replace ken i knew that was it for kimbo, petruzelli is a real fighter, not a can or way over the hill. petruzelli is a middle of the road lhw who just gave kimbo one of his own street fight style beat downs, too funny. also roy nelson's jiu jitsu is way under rated, so the fact that he was working arlovski on the ground is not a surprise. roy may be fat but the guy has skills. he has a lot of wins in straight grappling matches. that said fedor will take arlovski down and sub him very quickly, i would be shocked to see the fight hit the two minute mark.

overall i thought it was apretty good event with some entertaining fights, ninja/radach was absolutely awesome i thought.

chasingbanky

10-05-2008, 05:03 PM

bourahioro

10-05-2008, 05:08 PM

Kimbo blew it, that fight hardly happened, but at least he took it like a man. He didn't complain, or say he wasn't ready for the fight, just said thanks to Seth for taking the fight and said the after party was still on. I can dig that.

Agreed, and it was good of him to be gracious after losing, especially since he wouldn't even touch Seth's gloves at the beginning of the fight.

DarkKnight81

10-05-2008, 05:10 PM

The standup on AA/Nelson was questionable too, Nelson was working hard for subs(submissions, not sandwiches).

I don't wish for the death of EliteXC, I'm an MMA fan and I'll watch all the MMA I can get. But they've got to get their shit together. Screaming at the top of their lungs that Seth beating Kimbo was "THE GREATEST VICTORY IN THE HISTORY OF MMA" on national TV is not the way to go about it. They have some legit fighters...Lawler, Diaz, Radach, Ninja, Carano, Silva but the commentators and management act like assclowns. Drop the ghetto feel, put aside the Kimbo hype, represent the sport well and you've got something going for you. But it looked and sounded like a circus last night. And don't put Frank Shamrocks ugly mug on TV unless he's fighting.

bourahioro

10-05-2008, 06:06 PM

Frank was a disrespectable cocksucker last night, I'd love to see someone shut his face for him.

MISFITS_Fiend

10-08-2008, 11:58 PM

Frank was a disrespectable cocksucker last night, I'd love to see someone shut his face for him.

I agree. I really don't think Ken intentionally threw his chance away; sometimes shit just happens.

Every time I hear Frank Shamrock talk with those fucking braces it just cracks me up. He sounds like he's Ol' Dirty Bastard or something.

Mopar Fanatic

10-09-2008, 12:47 AM

I agree. I really don't think Ken intentionally threw his chance away; sometimes shit just happens.

Ken would have lost regardless, none the less he threw his chance away or any chance he still had left at fighting five years ago, when he should have ducked out the back door and left fighting for good. He's become somewhat of an embarrassment to the sport.

DarkKnight81

10-09-2008, 06:32 PM

The only fight I want to see for Ken before he retires is against Frank. We all know Frank is the far superior fighter but I just want to see it.

chasingbanky

10-09-2008, 10:00 PM

I figured after Cung Le kicked the crap out of Frank Shamrock, he'd shut up. I was wrong.

DarkKnight81

10-10-2008, 06:08 PM

Fedor vs Arlovski is official for Affliction 2 in January. I suppose that leaves either Big Tim or Aleks to take on "Cry Baby," I mean "Baby Face" Barnett. I like Josh, he's a great fighter and seems like a cool guy but when the company offers you the top guy and you're a worthy contender, how do you not take that fight? Oh well.

scottmushroom

10-12-2008, 11:01 PM

DarkKnight81

10-13-2008, 11:59 PM

Damn injuries, Diego Sanchez is out, Josh Koscheck is in against Thiago Alves. Goran Reljic is out against Thales Leites, McFedries in.

DarkKnight81

10-14-2008, 12:00 AM

Fedor-Arlovski is one that I have been waiting for longer than I waited for Wand-liddell

Andre is one of my favorite fighters but I have a feeling he's going to get smashed. He might have better boxing but Fedor will have no problem taking him down.

bourahioro

10-14-2008, 10:35 PM

Dana White on EliteXC

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYC8TBzmmQ)

Mopar Fanatic

10-14-2008, 10:42 PM

UFC 89

Michael Bisping (-220) vs. Chris Leben (+175)

Keith Jardine vs. Brandon Vera

Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Luiz Cane

Marcus Davis vs. Paul Kelly

Paul Taylor vs. Chris Lytle

prelims:
Akihiro Gono vs. Dan Hardy
Jess Liaudin vs. David Bielkheden
Sammy Schiavo vs. Per Eklund
Sam Stout vs. Terry Etim
Shane Carwin vs. Neil Wain
David Baron vs. Jim Miller

Odds from Betus.com. More lines as they're released.

Mopar Fanatic

10-15-2008, 02:12 AM

Dana White on EliteXC

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYC8TBzmmQ)

He loves dropping the f-bomb.

Saw this earlier and though it was pretty funny.

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/22354/dana_medium.jpg

scottmushroom

10-16-2008, 12:55 AM

He loves dropping the f-bomb.

Saw this earlier and though it was pretty funny.

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/22354/dana_medium.jpg
heh nice. i like the supply of interim belts.

Mopar Fanatic

10-20-2008, 01:05 AM

It must be pretty discouraging to be a UFC middleweight contender now. You have to work like hell to earn the right to get mauled by someone you know you can't beat. The effect on their psyche has to be tough to handle. It's the Tiger Woods Syndrome, where everyone else in the game loses confidence because one guy changes the whole picture.

The only viable strategy for Bisping is to keep fighting journeymen fighters through 2009 and hope Silva makes good on his retirement plans. If he can't put away Leben in three rounds while landing that frequently, Anderson is going to walk through anything he can throw and laugh.

DarkKnight81

10-20-2008, 11:22 PM

Wow, and just like that, EliteXC has folded. I figured they would have made it a little longer considering their ratings.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7396&zoneid=2

So now that the auction is on, who should the UFC get?

I say Jake Shields, Robbie Lawler, Nick Diaz.

Mopar Fanatic

10-21-2008, 12:59 AM

Dana White on EliteXC

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkYC8TBzmmQ)

Wow, and just like that, EliteXC has folded. I figured they would have made it a little longer considering their ratings.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7396&zoneid=2

So now that the auction is on, who should the UFC get?

I say Jake Shields, Robbie Lawler, Nick Diaz.

Not saying that Dana had anything to do with it, but it does raise an eyebrow.

DarkKnight81

10-21-2008, 02:44 PM

I think it's irrelevant what Dana said, EliteXC buried themselves. First off, they paid Kimbo, a fucking farce, $500,000. They paid Seth to stand up and he still destroyed their one false hope. EliteXC had one or two good things going for it but in the end they were a scam, a big joke and I'm glad to see them gone. I have hope for other MMA organizations to succeed but it can't ran the way EliteXC was ran. Good for CBS for seeing this and not buying that piece of shit.

the saw is family

10-22-2008, 08:44 PM

i really wish cbs would have bought the org and just cleaned out the assholes running it. i was so hyped for the november 8th event. anyway i 'd like to see zuffa sign shields, lawler, villasenor, eddie alvarez,dave herman,antonio silva,brett rogers,rafael feijao,ninja. exc was run like shit but they did have a few good fighters. i really hope the diaz/alvarez fight will take place somewhere. maybe at the january affliction card.

scottmushroom

10-22-2008, 09:37 PM

I hope UFC at least signs Lawler. I don't think he would beat Silva but it would be fun as hell to watch that fight!

DarkKnight81

10-22-2008, 11:22 PM

I like Lawler, he's a good fighter but he's no threat to Anderson and he's had his day in the UFC which makes me think Dana won't sign him. Same with Nick Diaz. I think Jake Shields is the most likely fighter to go to the UFC, but he wouldn't even be a top 5 at 170. In fact I don't think any title holder in EliteXC would be a factor in the UFC. Nick Diaz is there best fighter but I doubt we see him back in the UFC.

the saw is family

10-22-2008, 11:38 PM

the ufc could always use more middleweights. i'd like to see lawler and leben slug it out. i think jake shields would be top 5 at 170 in the ufc. i think gsp, fitch and koscheck, and maybe thiago alves are above him. i think he gives everyone else in the division hell. if he can improve his stand up i think he would be a legit challenger for anyone in the division. also for anyone following this season of tuf, holy shit is junie over rated.

DarkKnight81

10-23-2008, 07:45 PM

Junie sucks. He might be the biggest douchebag in the history of TUF, more so than Sam Hoger and Gabe Reudiger. He makes Chris Leben look like a saint.

Mopar Fanatic

10-25-2008, 08:05 PM

Mopar Fanatic

10-25-2008, 08:20 PM

Interesting

http://www.warmachinemma.com/?method=view.blog

5:11:2008
Civilization For SOFT ASS FOOLS!
By: War Machine
So I have pretty much decided that in the next couple of years I am gonna move somewhere LESS CIVILIZED. After all, civilization and LAWS are in place to protect the WEAK anyway. Me being the Alpha Male, Spartan, SAVAGE that I am...I see no need for this type of B.S.

I don't go around looking for trouble and am in no way a bully. Actually if it were my way I would never have fights outside the ring, just train all day and fuck all night...lol
But when someone needs to be smashed or KILLED I would be more than happy to do it. Like for instance the other night...I was minding my business walking down the street and three drunk guys and two chicks walk by me and talk shit to me. Making fun of my haircut or some lame shit. Instinctively I want to smash their faces in, I mean that's what they deserve and what nature calls for. But instead I have to let their gf's make excuses for them so I do nothing and let these faggots feel tough for a night.

Why should I have to be less of a man to protect the rights and lives of lesser men?
Why if I smash all three of their faces do I get arrested and prosecuted and no one asks them WHY THE FUCK THEY WENT OUT OF THEIR WAY TO HARASS ME IN THE FIRST PLACE!?
As you all know I got in big trouble earlier this year for a similiar situation. Same type of thing. I was minding my business and some drunk dude talked shit and I terrorized him. Long story short and 20 grand later I ended up with probation and community service but was warned by the judge that a repeat would earn me prison time. So basically I am now walking on egg shells.

So the plan is to move to the Philippines in the next two years. There the money I make in the UFC will make me very wealthy and there I will not have to hold back when someone deserves to get smashed.

I wont have to be less of a man in order to prevent getting in trouble with the "law"
I will be able to live my life how I want and deserve to live. I will train all day and fuck all night. Maybe one day I will find a wife, if not it's okay. I will bring my boxing coach and my jiu-jitsu coach with me. Build a team from scratch...this will be a great life. Hopefully before I am 55 I will die in a knife fight outside of some bar. Avoiding the midlife crisis all together.

This is the life of an Alpha Male like me. We are not supposed to grow old and wait around to die. We are supposed to fight, kill and fornicate. Tempt fate more and more with each passing year...and just as we start to become weaker and older a younger Alpha kills us and takes our place.

Yes, this is what I want, this is what I WILL have.

WM

I wonder if he has any idea how common handguns are in the Philippines?

DarkKnight81

10-25-2008, 08:44 PM

UFC 90 Picks

Silva, utterly dominating K the fuck O
Alves, KO
Werdum, submission
Griffin, decision
Graynard, decision
Leites, submission
Fisher, TKO
Miller, submission
Franca, decision
Burkman, decision

Am I the only one doing picks for this event?

I got some picks too

Silva by KO, round 1.
Alves by KO, round 3
Werdum by sub, round 2.
Sherk, UD
Gaynerd, UD
Leites, sub round 1
Fisher, KO round 3
Franca, UD
Burkman, UD

And War Machine is stupid.

DarkKnight81

10-26-2008, 01:01 AM

Mopar Fanatic

10-26-2008, 12:41 PM

OK, what the fuck did I just see? Silva danced around Cote for two and a half rounds doing wing chun, and threw about 4 punches. Unless he was channeling negative chi into Cote's leg all that time, this was some bullshit.

I can't remember the last time I've seen such a reach/height advantage...even if cote hit like a George Foreman in his prime and had Ali's chin, there's no reason to give him that much respect when he could barely reach Anderson's face. The spider could have finished Cote in the first if he wanted to, but fucked around to show off how much better he is.

He mocked Cote mercilessly for 2 and a bit rounds.

The only thing more embarrassing than the UFC's match-making, to put Cote in that fight, was watching Cote signaling round 3 to the crowd with a big proud grin and laughing about it. What a fucking deuche.

scottmushroom

10-26-2008, 02:29 PM

At least the Sherk fight kicked ass!

inglourious basterd

10-26-2008, 02:49 PM

Wow, that was the weirdest fight I've ever seen. I think its safe to say Anderson Silva has finally bought into his own hype. Yes he did damage Cote but he was just dancing around for the most part and Cote landed a few good shots as well. It's a shame the way the fight ended.

OK, what the fuck did I just see? Silva danced around Cote for two and a half rounds doing wing chun, and threw about 4 punches. Unless he was channeling negative chi into Cote's leg all that time, this was some bullshit.

I can't remember the last time I've seen such a reach/height advantage...even if cote hit like a George Foreman in his prime and had Ali's chin, there's no reason to give him that much respect when he could barely reach Anderson's face. The spider could have finished Cote in the first if he wanted to, but fucked around to show off how much better he is.

He mocked Cote mercilessly for 2 and a bit rounds.

I think you guys got it wrong.

Silva wasn't mocking Cote.

What Silva wanted to do was obvious. He was wanting to counterpunch. Cote wasn't that aggressive with moving forward, so Silva was not able to time his massive knees and punches with the frequency we're used to.

What he was doing with his hands was more to throw him off.

Silva and Cote both respected each other's power too much,which was the reason for the excessive dancing. It was like watching two snakes getting ready to strike. Had the freak injury not occured, I'm sure that Silva would have been more aggressive in the 3rd round. It was just a matter of time.

I do think that Silva was doing better. He was landing the big punches. In my opinion, Cote was unsure of himself with getting through Silva's defense and was tentative. Cote, at all times, was well aware that if he were aggressive, that Silva would finish him off in seconds. That is why the fight was what it was.

Here's a video of the press conference after the fight:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/video?id=3665051

The spider could have finished Cote in the first if he wanted to, but fucked around to show off how much better he is.

You probably have not seen enough Silva fights, then. He always sits back for the first minute or so to get a feel for the other fighter. Cote was incredibly tentative. Silva's strategy was not to be the aggressor. He wanted to look for openings and strike. Unfortunately, Cote was too scared to leave any openings.

DarkKnight81

10-26-2008, 03:37 PM

I don't really know what to make of it. When Anderson was on the attack he did big time damage, particularly that flying knee to Cote's forehead. And I understand Silva respecting Cote's power but I've never seen Anderson play around like he was last night, it was like he wasn't in a fight but just sparring and was goofing around. I'd like to see Cote get a rematch once he heals. Do I think Anderson will knock him out? Absolutely. But I do think he deserves another shot, it's not like anyone else in the division can do any better. The only other guy is Okami and he doesn't seem to want anything to do with Silva. Besides with Bisping and Franklin/Henderson on TUF, it's going to be a while before another contender is ready. I think Silva goes up to 205 for UFC 94 on January 31st against Chuck Liddell. At first it didn't seem like a good matchup because of Chuck's loss and Anderson's invincibility, but after Silva's lackluster performance last night the fight makes sense. Will be a big win for either of them and a huge draw for the UFC.

I think the most significant event last night was Fabricio Werdum getting KTFO by Dos Santos. Werdum was in line for a title shot and was bitching about Lesnar getting it. And although Werdum had a point, he still showed up 20lbs over weight and took the newcomer very lightly.

The Sherk/Griffin fight was great and extremely close, I thought the decision was a toss up. But I was glad to see it go to Sherk who is getting older while Griffin still has a bright future ahead of him.

Gray Maynerd is the most boring fighter in the UFC. Is it me or does the guy apologize after every fight to the fans? I mean if you apologize for something you always do then you're obviously not really sorry about it. Just take your boring wins until you run into BJ Penn and he'll really make you sorry.

Alves is impressive. He's built like a tank but he's super quick especially with his kicks. He just absolutely outclassed Koscheck who did show a good chin and great heart. Alves had him dazed about 5 times and Kos never quit coming forward. Alves is a real threat to GSP.

It's going to be sad to see Couture getting squashed by a guy who is 1-1 in the UFC. But Lesnar I think will just be way too much for him. Randy always has trouble with bigger more athletic guys like Ricco(before rehab) and Josh Barnett. And they don't come much bigger or more athletic than Brock Lesnar. For Randy to win he's going to have to do what he did to Tim Sylvia which is strike first and strike often. But Tim is basically about as unathletic as you can get. So we'll see.

Mopar Fanatic

10-28-2008, 01:20 AM

I think you guys got it wrong.

Silva wasn't mocking Cote.

What Silva wanted to do was obvious. He was wanting to counterpunch. Cote wasn't that aggressive with moving forward, so Silva was not able to time his massive knees and punches with the frequency we're used to.

What he was doing with his hands was more to throw him off.

Silva and Cote both respected each other's power too much,which was the reason for the excessive dancing. It was like watching two snakes getting ready to strike. Had the freak injury not occured, I'm sure that Silva would have been more aggressive in the 3rd round. It was just a matter of time.

I do think that Silva was doing better. He was landing the big punches. In my opinion, Cote was unsure of himself with getting through Silva's defense and was tentative. Cote, at all times, was well aware that if he were aggressive, that Silva would finish him off in seconds. That is why the fight was what it was.

Here's a video of the press conference after the fight:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/video?id=3665051

You probably have not seen enough Silva fights, then. He always sits back for the first minute or so to get a feel for the other fighter. Cote was incredibly tentative. Silva's strategy was not to be the aggressor. He wanted to look for openings and strike. Unfortunately, Cote was too scared to leave any openings.

So you're giving credit to Cote for being nothing more than Silva's dance partner? I know this sounds crazy, but I would've been more impressed if he actually showed some offense. Then again, he seemed awfully proud to have made it to the third round--winning didn't seem to be his goal. More of anything it seemed to be counter punching, which isn't that great of an idea since with an advantage over every facet of striking he could've easily finished that fight in the 1st rd instead of dilly-dallying all over the cage.

Sits back for the first minute to feel his opponent out? 2 rounds leading up to Cotes blown out knee is a bit more extensive than a minute.

inglourious basterd

10-28-2008, 02:45 AM

So you're giving credit to Cote for being nothing more than Silva's dance partner? I know this sounds crazy, but I would've been more impressed if he actually showed some offense. Then again, he seemed awfully proud to have made it to the third round--winning didn't seem to be his goal. More of anything it seemed to be counter punching, which isn't that great of an idea since with an advantage over every facet of striking he could've easily finished that fight in the 1st rd instead of dilly-dallying all over the cage.

Sits back for the first minute to feel his opponent out? 2 rounds leading up to Cotes blown out knee is a bit more extensive than a minute.

I never said that I was impressed by Cote.

I said he was tentative. So I agree with you that Cote was weak.

I think that if Cote tried to fight aggressively, then he would have been knocked out in seconds. Cote knew that and Silva knew that.

What I took issue with was your assertion that Silva was being an asshole and that he was mocking Cote. I don't think that was the case. I think that Silva was getting a feel of what Cote was going to do and that Silva was going to play off that. The problem is that Cote did absolutely nothing.

The fight ended prematurely due to factors beyond both fighters' control. Because Cote was doing absolutely nothing, I think that Silva would have been more aggressive in the 3rd round and that Cote would have been knocked out either in the 3rd or 4th.

Sits back for the first minute to feel his opponent out? 2 rounds leading up to Cotes blown out knee is a bit more extensive than a minute.

You're right. Silva should have been aggressive sooner.

I think they both were wanting to be counter punchers and they weren't really willing to initiate. It was like watching guys and girls at a junior high dance.

Is it how it should have been? Absolutely not. But it is what it is.

daddiefatsacks

10-28-2008, 03:24 PM

DarkKnight81

10-28-2008, 06:15 PM

Everything about Chicago kind of sucked. The fans were horrible, the refs were even worse.

In other news I guess Anderson Silva is pissed that he's being criticized about his performance and is asking to be put on UFC 91. I think the PPV needs another big fight. I would imagine the UFC either saves him for UFC 93 or perhaps puts him on the Fight Night in early December.

unspoken

10-28-2008, 07:44 PM

I think you guys got it wrong.

Silva wasn't mocking Cote.

What Silva wanted to do was obvious. He was wanting to counterpunch. Cote wasn't that aggressive with moving forward, so Silva was not able to time his massive knees and punches with the frequency we're used to.

What he was doing with his hands was more to throw him off.

Silva and Cote both respected each other's power too much,which was the reason for the excessive dancing. It was like watching two snakes getting ready to strike. Had the freak injury not occured, I'm sure that Silva would have been more aggressive in the 3rd round. It was just a matter of time.

I do think that Silva was doing better. He was landing the big punches. In my opinion, Cote was unsure of himself with getting through Silva's defense and was tentative. Cote, at all times, was well aware that if he were aggressive, that Silva would finish him off in seconds. That is why the fight was what it was.

Here's a video of the press conference after the fight:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/video?id=3665051

You probably have not seen enough Silva fights, then. He always sits back for the first minute or so to get a feel for the other fighter. Cote was incredibly tentative. Silva's strategy was not to be the aggressor. He wanted to look for openings and strike. Unfortunately, Cote was too scared to leave any openings.

Thank you for this post.

So many people are just feeding Anderson a world of shit right now... how was how he fought this fight ANY different than he's fought since at least joining the UFC. He respected Cote's power and wasn't willing to put his chin out there recklessly for an opening. A very strategic fight I thought.

unspoken

10-28-2008, 07:45 PM

unspoken

10-28-2008, 07:48 PM

the biggest douchebags this weekend were the fans in Illinois, who the fuck boo's a fighter who gets an injury during a fight? This was Cote's biggest, and probly only title shot and you don't think he's devestated enough that he couldn't resume fighting, then the fans have to go and Boo him?

fuck that shit

Agreed. I thought it was even worse when they booed Sherk. The guy just put on a very entertaining fight, the correct decision was made, and they booed? I don't care about gate numbers, they don't deserve a UFC for a LONG time if that's how they're going to act. The UFC should come to Canada more often where they get record numbers AND fans who only boo when warranted.

DarkKnight81

10-28-2008, 08:34 PM

Thank you for this post.

So many people are just feeding Anderson a world of shit right now... how was how he fought this fight ANY different than he's fought since at least joining the UFC. He respected Cote's power and wasn't willing to put his chin out there recklessly for an opening. A very strategic fight I thought.

It's probably because he didn't destroy Cote in the first two rounds. But seriously, he was doing caporera and bowing after the round and running away. He was doing ALOT of things differently. There is a difference between respecting a guy's power and trying to put on a show like Anderson was. I'm sure if he knew he would get this much shit for it he would have been a little more serious and gotten the KO in the first or second. Cote does have KO power but Anderson is light years ahead of him, no doubt. The fight was just one of those weird things that happens. Anderson was playing games and Cote's knee blew out. Two strange things we didn't see coming. I don't blame him for wanting to get back in there and KO the shit out of somebody. He went overnight from being the baddest dude on the planet to being heavily criticized for not taking the fight seriously. He's been humble for two years denying he's the best fighter in the world. Then suddenly he changed his tone saying he "might" be the best fighter in the world and decided to do more dancing than fighting. It happens but I think he'll be back to old form in his next fight, he's too good not too. Besides, he's probably just bored.

inglourious basterd

10-28-2008, 11:20 PM

I'm sure if he knew he would get this much shit for it he would have been a little more serious and gotten the KO in the first or second. Cote does have KO power but Anderson is light years ahead of him, no doubt. The fight was just one of those weird things that happens. Anderson was playing games and Cote's knee blew out. He went overnight from being the baddest dude on the planet to being heavily criticized for not taking the fight seriously. .

He's heavily criticized cause he didn't knock someout out in 10 minutes? I think fans are too spoiled by Silva. There's a reason Silva plays down the hype. It's because of stuff like this.

Come on, dude.

I think the offense was imminent.

Is it just me, or are people disappointed because Silva didn't rush in and mindlessly swing punches and knees? I understand that there were many odd things about the fight, but I really don't think that he was playing around.

He had his gameplan set in his head, and he didn't deviate from it. Given how long he held back, this was probably a flaw. But it is what it is.

DarkKnight81

10-28-2008, 11:34 PM

He's heavily criticized cause he didn't knock someout out in 10 minutes? I think fans are too spoiled by Silva. There's a reason Silva plays down the hype. It's because of stuff like this.

Come on, dude.

I think the offense was imminent.

Is it just me, or are people disappointed because Silva didn't rush in and mindlessly swing punches and knees? I understand that there were many odd things about the fight, but I really don't think that he was playing around.

He had his gameplan set in his head, and he didn't deviate from it. Given how long he held back, this was probably a flaw. But it is what it is.

I'm not saying it's right, but the fact is Silva has made quick impressive work of everyone he's fought in the UFC. I would argue that Cote, who lost to both Lutter and Leben, was Silva's weakest opponent yet. Therefore, everyone's expectations is a massive KO. It's just what people have come to expect.

That may have been Silva's gameplan, I only said that it was unusual for him. It was just a weird fight. Had Silva danced around and eventually KO'd Cote he would heralded as the greatest striker in MMA history. But he didn't KO Cote. He took his time and a clear decisive victory eluded him for the first time in a long time. He's not satisfied and neither are a lot of fans. It's not his fault that Cote got hurt, but had Silva been on the attack like he usually is we aren't having this conversation. Plain and simple, he wasn't dominating Cote when Cote got hurt so it looks kind of bad on Silva. But I'm certain he'll come back with a vengeance and remind us all why he's thought to be one of if not the best.

DunlopolnuD

10-29-2008, 07:13 AM

Salieri

10-29-2008, 07:56 AM

All I know is that I feel sorry for whoever fights Silva next, because he is going to annihilate whoever it is after all the shit he is getting for this.

inglourious basterd

10-29-2008, 09:14 AM

How could anyone think he wasn't showing off? He offered Cote his hand, to help him up... in the real world this would be generous, but not during an MMA fight.

I truly hope he comes back with a vengeance.

Watched the fight again at that point.

They were on the ground and, despite the fact that Cote was on his back, Silva was unable to progress with his position. Cote got in a few good elbows and was going for an arm bar. He missed twice, but Silva knew what he was doing. On the other hand, Silva wasn't connecting with many good punches. In that ground position, Silva wasn't getting into a favorable position and he backed off.

He stepped back and looked uninterested with getting back on the floor. He threw a few apathetic kicks and followed with offering is hand as if to say "lets back this up and stand up...I dont want to fight like this". Maybe that wasn't the best thing to do, but I certainly do not think it was an "I'm better than you gesture". It was more like a "Hey man...I've been giving you a good amount of space for 15 seconds...you don't have to be in the unfavorable position. I want to stand up"

Yes...it was odd...but its another illustration that Silva didn't want to back down from his strategy to counterpunch. Is that a good thing? No. I think that his lack of flexibility in this fight was his flaw.

Incidentally, it was after that they both stood up that Cote threw a wild right handed hook with bad body mechanics, which initially tweaked his knee. (2:36 of round two). After the wild, off balanced punch, you see him shake that knee. The traumatic event 30 seconds into the 3rd round was an exacerbation of that initial tweaking.

I continue to think that Silva is a good guy and that he continues to be humble. The issue with this fight was that he was inflexible with his game plan and execution, which wasn't working.

DarkKnight81

10-29-2008, 02:52 PM

I think Silva is a humble guy 90% of the time. He just got carried away and he's lucky it didn't cost him the belt. I mean what if that pace continued for 5rounds? Was Silva landing more damaging strikes? Sure but the refs have done stranger things in the past and could have awarded rounds 1 and 2 to Cote for trying to press the action and could have taken Silva's actions as taunting and thus lowered the value of his striking. I just think he finally let all of this best fighter in the world crap go to his head. But hopefully he sees now what happens when you aren't focused.

miamita

10-29-2008, 04:50 PM

I'm getting pumped for the Randy vs Brock match coming up. Even though I think Randy will destory Brock as I don't think he is rounded enough. I think if Brock is going to win it it will be because of his power. Hopefully he improved his submission skills compared to his last fight. I was hoping to see him try a couple locks instead of ground and pound the whole 3 rounds.

DarkKnight81

10-29-2008, 06:08 PM

Brock is definitely the bigger, stronger fighter. But I've heard several rumors of other fighters out of the same camp as Lesnar questioning his chin. Namely Brett Rodgers who apparently KO'd him twice during sparring sessions. Of course, this could all be BS but the fact is nobody has punched Brock yet. I think if Randy can land first and get Brock on his back he'll be in good shape. If Brock gets his hands on Randy and gets on top, it's over.

Mopar Fanatic

10-29-2008, 11:05 PM

miamita

11-04-2008, 03:44 PM

Anyone wonder if Kimbo and his people will pay off Seth in their rematch in Japan? I think Seth is someone you could buy to throw a fight. And lets face it if Kimbo loses a second time to a undercard it will even solidfy to the main stream crowd who actually took Kimbo as a bad ass that he is nothing more then chump change who should have never been main eventing in the first place.

DarkKnight81

11-04-2008, 06:49 PM

Mopar Fanatic

11-05-2008, 03:00 AM

In real MMA news

Well put.

So are they officially fighting then? I hadn't heard.

In real MMA news, Paulo Filho missed weight by 7 pounds! I guess it doesnt matter because the WEC middleweight title will be no more after the fight but what a joke! Filho seems like an ass, I hope Sonnen beats him.

he did take this fight on pretty late notice. They only announced it in like June. The fight is still on, but now it's a 3-round non-title fight.

I guess he doesn't have to worry about being pressured to fight Anderson, since I highly doubt the UFC will contract him into the MW division after his consistently failing to hit 185.

unspoken

11-06-2008, 12:21 AM

Good night of upsets.

Thank you Chael Sonnen for giving me the reason I need to do something I've wanted to do for a long time, and that's drop Filho from my MW top 10.

Garcia stopping Pulver in the 1st was a surprise, I wonder though if Jens got eye-poked. Seriously though, someone's gotta beat a Greg Jackson fighter soon so this nipple pinching trend gets put to an end.

Still shocked that Faber got knocked out too.

I hope they show the Donald Cerrone/Rob McCullough fight on an episode of Wreckage soon. From the play-by-play, it sounded like it had fight of the year written all over it.

WEC is quickly becoming my favorite org to watch. Can't wait for Torres vs. Tapia next month.

MISFITS_Fiend

11-07-2008, 01:03 AM

he did take this fight on pretty late notice. They only announced it in like June.

"Only" announced it in June? He's in pretty piss-poor shape if he can't get down to weight in 5 MONTHS. I was really anticipating this fight, and he either has some serious mental issues (which have been documented) or he threw the fight.

DunlopolnuD

11-07-2008, 01:58 AM

I haven't been disappointed with any WEC events I've caught, so I also definitely can't wait for the one in December.

DarkKnight81

11-07-2008, 08:33 AM

Wow, big night of upsets. I was glad to see Urijah lose after waving and blowing kisses to the crowd all the time.

miamita

11-07-2008, 02:01 PM

So are they officially fighting then? I hadn't heard.

In real MMA news, Paulo Filho missed weight by 7 pounds! I guess it doesnt matter because the WEC middleweight title will be no more after the fight but what a joke! Filho seems like an ass, I hope Sonnen beats him.

Yes they will be likely fighting over in Japan from what I have read.

Here is the news it's about a week old.

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Kimbo Slice (3-1) is eyeing a return to action against the man who defeated him in just 14 seconds at Elite XC: “Heat” on October 4, Seth “The Silverback” Petruzelli (10-4), according to an interview in a recent article with the Sun-Sentinel.

The possible destination for the rematch is the DREAM K-1 New Year’s Eve event in Japan.

Petruzelli was a last minute replacement for an injured Ken Shamrock when he faced Kimbo the first time around. He stunned the bearded brawler and an arena full of his hometown faithful that night by landing a straight right directly on the button and finishing him off in only 14 seconds.

The win didn’t come without some negative effects for Petruzelli, however. He made some comments on an Orlando morning radio program two days later that reeked of possible match fixing. The interview sparked an investigation into Elite XC and later was among the contributing causes to the promotion going under.

Regardless, Petruzelli was quick to say he would give Slice a rematch at the post event presser in Sunrise. And realistically it was only a matter of time before the fight was inked. But with the demise of the promotion, it was uncertain whether or not Petruzelli vs. Kimbo II would ever happen.

Both fighters are free agents now (or will be soon) and if this latest report is active, we’ll be seeing the two square off again before the end of 2008.

Petruzelli is a wrestling and karate expert who likes to finish his opponents with his striking. Nine times he’s had his hand raised because of a knockout. His only losses in his eight-year career have come to UFC veterans Gan McGee, Mario Neto, Matt Hamill and Wilson Gouveia.

Kimbo made his mark on the entertainment world by knocking out dudes in Miami backyards. By airing the footage on YouTube.com he became an overnight celebrity and fighting professionally soon became his calling.

He enlisted the help of legendary mixed martial artist Bas Rutten as his head trainer and he’s been training consistently for more than two years now. His first setback was the loss to Seth and it’ll be interesting to see how he responds in his next fight … especially if it’s a rematch with “The Silverback.”

Also rumored to be competing on the DREAM K-1 New Year’s Eve event are Joachim Hansen, Hayato “Mach” Sakurai, Kazushi Sakuraba, Shinya Aoki, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Mitsuhiro Ishida, Masakazu Imanari, Takeshi Yamazaki, Atsushi Yamamoto, Kuniyoshi Hironaka, Minowaman, Kiyoshi Tamura, Seichi Ikemoto, Yuichi Nakanishi, Yasuhiro Kido, Yoshihiro Sato, Norifumi “KID” Yamamoto, Caol Uno, Hideo Tokoro, Masakatsu Funaki, Katsuyori Shibata, Junichi Sawayashiki, Taishin Kohiruimaki, Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic, Gegard Mousasi and Hong Man Choi.

Star studded to say the least.

With a lineup like this, it’s safe to say Kimbo and Seth won’t be main eventing this one. If so, it will be the first time in his career that the Miami native was not the headliner.

We’ll keep you posted on more news regarding this fight and event as it’s announced.

-credit mmamania

DarkKnight81

11-07-2008, 02:45 PM

Hopefully Kimbo gets KO'd again and we never hear his name after that.

DarkKnight81

11-09-2008, 12:56 PM

Well UFC 91 is still a week away but I'll be first to put down my predictions:

-Couture def. Lesnar via UD (Lesnar wins the first two rounds but gasses in the third)
-Florian def Stevenson via TKO round 3 (Cut)
-Sadollah def Catone via Sub round 2 (Armbar)
-Gonzaga def Hendricks via TKO round 1 (GnP)
-Maia def Quarry via Sub round 3 (Triangle)
-Hazelett def McCrory via Sub round 1 (RNC)

Undercard def. itself via CRAP.

miamita

11-10-2008, 02:46 PM

DarkKnight81

11-11-2008, 10:22 PM

Well shit, Amir Sodallah is out with some kind of leg infection. I think he needs to go ahead and move down to 170. He's got to be the smallest 185er ever.

Mopar Fanatic

11-13-2008, 10:17 AM

Hopefully something like this.

Randy Couture, TKO R3
Florian, decision
Maia, submission R2 (but hoping for Quarry KO R2)
Gonzaga, submission R1
Hazelett, decision
Riley, decision (praying for KO R1)
Bocek, decision
dos Anjos, submission R1
Brown, TKO R1

Mopar Fanatic

11-14-2008, 01:31 AM

I honestly don't see Lesnar winning any rounds and will be a very quick fight in favor of Couture. I think Couture will end up schooling Lesnar and Lesnar will end up making the same mistake he did with MIR that will cost him if he gets Couture on the ground.

It's Absolutely fucking amazing to me that couture is not the favorite in this fight. People give Lesnar way too much credit for just being big. That isn't going to be enough to get past Couture.

KillaMyers

11-14-2008, 03:37 AM

It's Absolutely fucking amazing to me that couture is not the favorite in this fight. People give Lesnar way too much credit for just being big. That isn't going to be enough to get past Couture.

Lesnar isn't some standard big guy. He's an amazing athlete,who just happens to be enormous.

People go on & on about his size and insane stregth & power,which is definitely impressive.But most completely forget how fucking fast and agile he is. When he tried out for the Vikings,he ran the 40 in 4.62,had a 37 inch vertical leap,and a 10 foot horizontal. You do not see many guys who are 6'3'' and 285lbs that can do that. On top of the athleticism you have someone with an absolutely phenomenal Amatuer Wrestling background, Most importantly though,Lesnar has been improving his MMA skills greatly since his first match with Min Soo Kim. He's got a long way to go,but's he's still an extremely dangerous guy for any heavyweight.

I'm not going to count out Couture,because history has shown you can never underestimate him,especially in this case because he's got a significant experience advantage. But history has also shown that Randy does not deal too well with bigger guys that know how to wrestle. And being that Brock is just as,if not slightly more skilled than Randy in that department,it's going to be a very tough fight.

miamita

11-14-2008, 02:54 PM

But wrestling only gets you so far in todays MMA. Now you have to be alot more well rounded fighter and to me Brock still isn't on par where a fighter should be who has this type of shot. Look at his match with Herring. The guy didn't really try to do any submission moves but keep Herring on the ground with ground and pound. To me that showed Brock has a weakness in his submission department and something Couture can really excute on. To me the fight will end up just like his first UFC match. But hey this is UFC where anything can happen like Matt Serra becoming a World Champion. All it takes is one good punch, kick, or knee and it's over!

DarkKnight81

11-14-2008, 02:55 PM

I'm really torn on this fight. Randy will have the superior skillset, but he is 45 and hasn't fought in over a year. I think despite what he says he could be a bit rusty and possibly time has caught up with him. His strengths are the clinch, overpowering, and out-wrestling his opponent. I can't see him winning any three of these areas of the fight. Lesnar is too big, strong, and fast and a proven wrestler. I think Randy needs to stick and move, frustrate Brock, wait for him to make a mistake and capitalize. But I don't Randy can come out and just beat up Brock like he has done many of his opponents like he did to Gonzaga. I think Brock will come out explosive like he did against Heath Herring and probably win the first two rounds. But we haven't seen Brock's heart, chin, or endurance tested yet. All of which Randy will likely push to the limit and I see him winning a decision. If I were a betting man I might put money on Brock, but in my heart I really REALLY want Randy to win this fight.

miamita

11-14-2008, 03:16 PM

You also have to remember Dark Knight that Randy took off a year prior to winning his world title that Brock is facing him for.

bourahioro

11-14-2008, 04:31 PM

Randy is going to completely SCHOOL Brock.
Gonzaga by KO rd.2
Quarry by KO rd.1
Florian by decision
Hazelett by armbar rd.3

DarkKnight81

11-14-2008, 06:16 PM

You also have to remember Dark Knight that Randy took off a year prior to winning his world title that Brock is facing him for.

True and he proved a lot of doubters wrong. But I think Randy's age will eventually show in a fight, hopefully it's not tomorrow night.

DarkKnight81

11-14-2008, 06:17 PM

Quarry by KO rd.1

Wow, that will be the prediction of the night if that happens.

Mopar Fanatic

11-15-2008, 04:40 PM

Mac Danzig: I think Randy wins this fight with experience and overall ability. It seems like Lesnar’s best chance of winning is if he can hold someone [down] for three rounds like he did to [Heath] Herring. I don’t think he can do that to Randy. Plus, he has a giant penis tattooed on his chest, which can’t be helpful.

DarkKnight81

11-16-2008, 12:37 AM

Well that sucked. Randy was doing a good job of nullifying Lesnar's size and BOOM. One big shot to the temple and it's over. I thought after the first round, Randy was definitely going to win the fight. Brock was getting tired and frustrated and Randy forgot to keep his hands up.

Mopar Fanatic

11-16-2008, 12:56 AM

What a fucking joke The UFC heavyweight champ is a guy with 3 career wins, only 1 of them over respectable competition. Think about that.

On top of that the belt is taken from Nog and just gave to Randy when he came back after a messy attempt in trying to escape his contract and being inactive for months. Just total disrespect and now a man with a penis sword tattoo is the champ.

DarkKnight81

11-16-2008, 01:41 AM

I still think Nog will submit Brock. But I think more weight classes could be added, something I'm surprised the athletic commisions haven't mandated yet. Something like Heavyweight: 206-235lbs, Super Heavyweight 236-265lbs. Randy was in there controlling a man 50lbs heavier than him, it's amazing he lasted as long as he did. Brock is an enormous athlete and if he can beat men just as big as he is, I'll give him all the respect he deserves. But I hate the fact that he just dwarfs 90% of the heavyweights in the UFC. My only hope is that Nog can prevail, showing the world that size isn't everthing.

miamita

11-17-2008, 03:22 PM

Congrats on Brock winning the title. I hope Randy gets a rematch if he wants one as he still has one match left on his contract and I know he wants to fight Fedor. I would really like to see MIR win against Nog next month to face Brock to see the difference between Brock then and now. But I think Nog will pull it off and then beat Brock whenever they fight a Unification match.

KingofKings2525

11-17-2008, 05:30 PM

DarkKnight81

11-17-2008, 05:56 PM

he is still the best heavyweight in the sport today.

Ahem....Don't think so.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff242/ajxavie/fedor.jpg

Brock will be a force in the UFC, but Fedor would beat him quite easily I think.

KingofKings2525

11-17-2008, 06:10 PM

Actually, I agree to a degree and my bad for forgetting about Fedor.

I don't know if he would beat him quite easily but I think it would be an incredible fight.

DarkKnight81

11-17-2008, 06:16 PM

Randy looked like a shadow of his former self the other night, and he still gave Brock a hard time. Watch Randy's first fight against Chuck and tell me his standup hasn't considerably gotten worse. I didn't think he could out wrestle Brock, but Lesnar was happy with the fight on its feet and Randy couldn't do shit. I think if Brock was all people think he is, he should have won that fight easily. Fedor would look like a tornado coming at him and I don't think Brock would know what to do. Fedor could flip a coin and decide if he wanted to KO or armbar Brock. Brocks super advantage was suppose to be his size and strength but 45 year old 220lb Randy Couture who's age finally showed, basically controlled Brock.

SweetEnLow

11-17-2008, 07:31 PM

Ahem....Don't think so.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff242/ajxavie/fedor.jpg

My thoughts exactly. That's one match I would like to see.

DarkKnight81

11-17-2008, 07:40 PM

I'd like to see it al well but honestly I think Nog would have a better chance against Fedor even if it's his fourth try. I don't think Barnett or Arlovski would really have a chance either. Nog's the only guy that can survive that onslaught and maybe get Fedor in a submission. Brock may be a beast but he would be lost on the ground or standing up against Fedor.

Mopar Fanatic

11-17-2008, 11:06 PM

I'm glad Lesner won. He is the real deal and if you don't believe that you don't know much about MMA.

Although he shouldn't be champ because he hasn't "earned" his spot he is still the best heavyweight in the sport today.

I'm glad Lesner won. He is the real deal and if you don't believe that you don't know much about MMA.

Although he shouldn't be champ because he hasn't "earned" his spot he is still the best heavyweight in the sport today.

If that's the case tell me then would that make the Interim belt Nog and Sylvia fought for at UFC 81? It would make it Irrelevant bullshit Dana White just slapped white wash on having his head so far up Lesnar's ass is what it would make it. If you don't see that another example I'll bring forth is Dana letting him hand pick his first opponent(Frank Mir)in the UFC.

In the eyes of Dana white: What's fair<more profitable

Real Deal? I'll just list a few heavyweights off the top of the head Lesnar would be in serious danger with.

Kharitonov
Barnett
Andrei Arlovski
and even Aleks to all beat Brock

Lesnar would lose against Nog, his size advantage is just as much of a disadvantage for paw paw....and yes he would take Nog down and pound on him for a round and a half but then eventually gas and get submitted...Fedor would rip his dildo dagger off, stab super stab him in the pancrase and sparta kick his ass out of the octagon.

if you don't believe that you don't know much about MMA.

What a way to contradict yourself since your whole post reeks of this.

KingofKings2525

11-18-2008, 12:25 AM

Sounds like sour grapes to me.

miamita

11-18-2008, 03:43 PM

Yeah I don't agree with Brock being the best in his division and certainly not the best in the UFC today. I think one fighter for example, Nog could take Brock and I still don't know if Brock could last a 5 round match nor has he had his chin tested to the fullest.

scottmushroom

11-20-2008, 12:34 AM

Damn...the UFC cut Jon Fitch.:mad:

unspoken

11-20-2008, 01:54 AM

Damn...the UFC cut Jon Fitch.:mad:

And Christian Wellisch. And every other AKA fighter (Koscheck, Cain Velasquez, etc) with the exception of Mike Swick is in danger. It had to do with merchandising rights, specifically those to the video game.

Koscheck will still fight Yoshida though, as Dana said he feels like he owes Kos after stepping up on short notice to fight Alves.

Criminal Rock

11-20-2008, 02:09 AM

Great Concept. (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7624&zoneid=13)

Though there's no guarantee this will even last, I've just always preferred tournament events over matched fights. Hopefully this'll catch on and not just go by the wayside.

KillaMyers

11-20-2008, 11:16 AM

Ahem....Don't think so.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff242/ajxavie/fedor.jpg

Brock will be a force in the UFC, but Fedor would beat him quite easily I think.

Right now Fedor takes it,not sure how easily, but he would beat him nontheless. Give Brock another year or so in training and fights however,and I think he has an extremely good chance of smashing him. Maybe not by complete domination,but it'll be a very rough fight for Fedor.

Just think about it this way. Brock has been learning the game at an impressive rate,he's shown significant improvements in skill with each fight. Right now even though he's quite green he's still a scary fight for any heavyweight purely based on his size,power and athleticism alone. In a year he will be downright terrifying and possibly unstoppable.

DarkKnight81

11-20-2008, 02:53 PM

I have yet to be impressed with Brock. He looked like a rabid animal and showed no restraint or skills for that matter before getting knee barred by Mir. He landed one good punch on Herring, then layed on him for three rounds. And Randy looked more unimpressive than Brock looked impressive to me. Randy was slow, had no foot work, and was getting hit like punching bag. Randy two years ago destroys Brock, who again really didn't do anything besides a few decent punches. Brock has the size, speed, and strength in his favor but he's yet to even resemble a mixed martial artist in my opinion.

miamita

11-20-2008, 03:00 PM

The Nevada State Athletic Commission has issued medical suspensions to a total of seven fighters who competed at this past weekend's UFC 91 event.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) recently requested and received the list of suspensions from NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer.

Main-event fighters Brock Lesnar and Randy Couture, and five other fighters, will all serve mandatory medical suspensions following the Nov. 15 event, which took place at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas.

Lesnar, who defeated Couture with a second-round TKO for the UFC heavyweight championship, is suspended until Dec. 16 with no contact during training until Dec. 7 for precautionary reasons. Couture, meanwhile, has been suspended until Jan. 15 with no contact until Dec. 31, also due to precautionary reasons.

Josh Hendricks, a UFC newcomer who suffered a 61-second TKO to Gabriel Gonzaga, has been suspended until Dec. 16 with no contact until Dec. 7 for precautionary reasons.

Tamdan McCrory, who dropped a first-round submission loss to Dustin Hazelett in a main-card bout, needs his right foot and ankle X-rayed to rule out factures. If the X-rays come back positive, McCrory is suspended until May 15 unless cleared early by a doctor.

Aaron Riley, who defeated Jorge Gurgel via unanimous decision in the UFC 91 Fight of the Night, has been suspended until Dec. 16 with no contact until Dec. 7 for precautionary reasons. Gurgel, meanwhile, must have an MRI on his left shoulder and an X-ray on his right ankle to rule out fractures. If fractures are detected, Gurgel is suspended until May 15 unless cleared early by an orthopedic doctor.

Finally, Rafael dos Anjos, who loss to Jeremy Stephens via a stunning third-round TKO, has been suspended until Jan. 15 with no contact until Dec. 31 for precautionary reasons.

KillaMyers

11-20-2008, 06:33 PM

He landed one good punch on Herring, then layed on him for three rounds.

I'm sorry,but that's bullshit.

He did not "lay" on Herring for the 3 rounds,he controlled him and took him down with ease. I'm guessing you also missed the dozens of brutal knee shots he landed on the ground and in the clinch(one of which completely buckled Herring),not to mention several nasty punches to the skull. Was it a really exciting fight? No. But it sure as hell was not a Lay-and-Pray fight either. That "one good punch",which wasn't even full power, broke Heath's Orbital bone and those knees fractured a few ribs.

And before you say Brock couldn't finish Herring,there are two things you must understand. 1) Herring has proven himself to be one the hardest guys in MMA to finish.Some of the best fighters in the game have tried unsuccessfully,and that includes Fedor and Nog. 2) Brock made it quite clear in post-fight interviews that it was not in his gameplan to finish the fight,he wanted to play it safe and go all 3 rounds. If you watch the fight again,it's pretty obvious Brock made no real attempts to finish,he simply wanted to brutalize and get the decision.

I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, But I think to say that Brock just layed on Herring for 3 rounds is fucking ridiculous. Jake O'Brien layed Herring for 3 rounds.Brock completely dominated him.

DarkKnight81

11-20-2008, 08:54 PM

Brock made it quite clear in post-fight interviews that it was not in his gameplan to finish the fight,he wanted to play it safe and go all 3 rounds. If you watch the fight again,it's pretty obvious Brock made no real attempts to finish,he simply wanted to brutalize and get the decision.

Thank you for proving my point.

Mopar Fanatic

11-22-2008, 03:21 AM

Honestly what in the fuck would be the point of seeing Lesnar and Fedor in a fight right now? With lesnar's track record and the way he's performed He wouldn't last over 3 minutes. Sounds like the same shit people where spweing right after Arlovski beat Sylvia.

Fedor 29-1
Lesnar 2-1

inglourious basterd

11-22-2008, 10:14 AM

Although he shouldn't be champ because he hasn't "earned" his spot he is still the best heavyweight in the sport today.

I don't understand how anyone could make this claim. Is he a solid heavyweight? Absolutely. He legitimately beat Couture and Herring and he did a good job with Mir. On the other hand....the Couture matchup was always a matchup that favored Lesnar. (No matter what anyone says, fighting is often a game of matchups). Couture has long had difficulties with wrestlers that are big. On top of being a big wrestler, he's probably the most athletic big man he's seen.

But Lesnar showed some weaknesses. They were only in the 2nd round and he had some preliminary signs of gassing out. How much more tired out would he have been if someone actually got him in a submissive position? On those grounds, he still hasn't shown an ability to fight on his back. I think Noguera will be a great test of where Lesnar is really at. If Lesnar beats Noguera, then he'll be considered a top 10 fighter and people will start to seriously start to ask about Fedor.

Right now, it's way too premature to call him "the best". We just haven't seen enough from him yet. If we take away his ridiculous size/weight advantage and we have a guy that can successfully get Lesnar on the ground, it'll be interesting to see what Lesnar will do.

HurricanesR1

11-23-2008, 01:52 AM

Lesnar is really good. As for his potential match with Nogueira, I think Brock will actually win the stand up and wear Nog down, but then I see Nogueira taking Brock down and submitting him.

Mopar Fanatic

11-25-2008, 09:35 PM

Couture/Liddell IV at UFC 99 in Germany

"Zuffa LLC, parent company to the UFC, is pushing for the fourth meeting between the promotion’s two most recognizable stars because of Couture’s unparalleled life story and, above all, for his ability to convey it in the German language."

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/ufc...-germany-15288

It's a moneymaker because Couture can do interviews and they can hype the shit out of the fight here, while Liddell will look like a stupid retard American who can't talk, like me. Good for the sport in Europe and everybody makes money, but the matchup is lukewarm IMO.

It'll be a slowed-down reply of one of their other three fights, I'm not too psyched for it. Who will gas first.

Mopar Fanatic

11-28-2008, 03:18 AM

Overeem wants to throw down with Lesnar.

“It was a good performance but I see some weak spots in Brock’s game plan,” said Overeem. “Although I think he is a very interesting opponent, I’m looking forward to see more of Brock’s fights and seeing him develop more.”

Overeem was asked if he would be interested in facing the new UFC champion at some point down the road.

“Yes, and I do see myself defeating Brock Lesnar,” said Overeem.

Overeem’s recent accomplishments in the heavyweight division has fans wondering if he will make the move over to the UFC. Five ounces of pain ask him if that was a move that he would welcome at some point.

“Yes,” said Overeem. “Although I am very happy with my current contracts with Dream and Strikeforce.”

Source:
http://www.matratz.com/2008/11/27/alistair-overeem-open-to-fighting-in-the-ufc/

Either way Lesnar's fucked if this fight goes down. Overeem keeps the fight standing Lesnar would have severe brain damage. Going to the ground would mean Lesnar gets caught in a kimura(both of the Overeem boys have good subs off their backs). Maybe this will be the fight that ends Lesnar's bullshit hype.

KingofKings2525

11-28-2008, 09:23 PM

Please, Lesner would destroy Overeem.

Why is it so cool to hate on Lesner? Because he was in the WWE? He has skill and is a beast, admit it.

KingofKings2525

11-28-2008, 09:24 PM

Do people seriously want to see Couture/Liddell? Out of their prime hacks trying to squeeze out every dime they can until they're done for good. No thanks.

DarkKnight81

11-28-2008, 09:39 PM

I don't care to see them fight again, but they know if will get PPV buys so why not?

As far as Allistair Overeem goes, I have never seen him fight but he has losses to Chuck Liddell, Shogun twice, lil' Nog twice, and Ricardo Arona. Those are light heavyweights, I'd put my money on Brock by gnp.

Criminal Rock

11-29-2008, 12:42 AM

Overeem would destroy Lesner in a kickboxing match, no doubt. In an MMA match however, I think Lesner would take the fight to the ground and outscore Overeem for a decision W. I don't see Lesner getting a KO, perhaps a TKO at best. But who knows, Lesner hasn't even fought a decent stand-up artist since his MMA debut let alone a K1 veteran like Overeem, he could get KTFO in the first round. Saying otherwise would be pure ignorance.

Listen King, We all understand Lesner is an enormous athlete, he packs a big one two, and can wrestle with anyone in the MMA world... but every fighter has a weakness, and Lensers weakness is his submission game and clinch game (and stand-up game if you really want to get into it). Mir "exposed" his sub-defense when they fought. And I put "exposed" in quotations because a lot of people claimed Lesner was going to run through Mir, and he didn't.

Lesner is hated just as much as he is loved, and both parties are equally silly in my eyes. Think yin and yang. Can't have one without the other...

Mopar Fanatic

11-29-2008, 01:07 AM

Criminal Rock

11-29-2008, 01:28 AM

Salieri

11-29-2008, 02:15 AM

I think he means that Overeem could just as easily submit Lesnar as he could TKO him. I don't really disagree, either. This wouldn't be a good matchup for Brock if it were to happen.

unspoken

11-29-2008, 03:17 AM

Mopar Fanatic

11-29-2008, 04:32 AM

I'm not sure who you're talking about here. I explicitly made clear in my last post my opinions on 'the weaknesses of Lesner', one of them being his shitty submission game, so you must be referring to Overeem.

Though I still don't know what you're questioning, if you could elaborate...

Overeem would destroy Lesner in a kickboxing match, no doubt. In an MMA match however, I think Lesner would take the fight to the ground and outscore Overeem for a decision W.

This is what I'm talking about.

Mopar Fanatic

11-29-2008, 04:35 AM

Overeem's probably the more overall talented MMA guy, and he's looked good at HW, but there's one problem... he's got a weak chin, which isn't exactly the best thing to have when fighting a 280 pounder with hands the size of a football.

What are you basing this off of?

Against Chuck he was hit with one of the biggest punches I've seen in MMA and didn't drop initially. In his first fight with Shogun he was TKO'd after gassing out, again no chin question there. His second fight with Rua was finished after Shogun landed a flying death punch, which again, doesn't suggest he has a glass chin. His head was flush against the mat when he took that hit, which is a very bad spot to get caught because your head has nowhere to go. Overeem's chin is fine.

Criminal Rock

11-29-2008, 02:19 PM

This is what I'm talking about.

considering what I've already stated several times before, it should be obvious that I agree with you in that Lesner's jitsu skills are lacking both offensively and defensively. Hence why I said, "every fighter has a weakness, and Lensers weakness is his submission game... blah blah blah", no argument there. My problem is with how you decided to question my prediction with this fact like I didn't already know it, or that I just completely ignored it. Personally, I'm not as confident as you are in Overeem's submission skills... just over a third of his submissions come from guillotine chokes, and many of his armbars and kimura's are against older opponents, people who've come off several losses, or people who just plain suck on the ground or fighting in general (or a combination of all three)... his submission win over Vitor is his most notable one, however I remember Overeem rocking the guy pretty bad before the fight was taken to the ground, where, during transition, Overeem sunk in another jitsu101 guillotine choke.

Knowing all this, I think Lesner would overwhelm and out-wrestle Overeem to the ground, where he would GNP him for the win... Alistair isn't well known for his wrestling skills, and although his Jitsu has improved slightly in the last couple of years I haven't seen anything to suggest his wrestling has improved with it.

Besides, if Shogun can out-wrestle Alistair, Lesner can with ease.

jaw2929

12-01-2008, 07:27 PM

Hey guys....

I'm a n00b to MMA and the UFC. I'm really only interested in following UFC... I've tried watching Pride, K-1 and Bodog Fight (before they went under) - And the UFC seems to be the fed I'm most interested in.

Having said that, someone recommended I start with UFC show 84, for a good all-around fighting show with good fights. What do you all think? Should I pick it up on DVD? How about any other UFC shows that're good?

Just thought I'd ask. I'm interested in UFC, because it doesn't insult my intelligence with bullshit angles, and nonsensical storylines like the WWE enjoys doing. I'll still follow it here and there, but I wanna give the UFC a chance too.

scottmushroom

12-01-2008, 10:38 PM

jaw2929

12-01-2008, 10:44 PM

Right on Scott, will look into it. With the decisions, what do the judge's base their decisions off of, anyway?

DunlopolnuD

12-02-2008, 06:10 PM

If you can catch UFC 52 somehow, I'd recommend that... it has St. Pierre vs. Miller, Hughes Vs. Trigg 2 (this fight in particular is the one you want to see), and Couture Vs. Liddell 2.

jaw2929

12-02-2008, 09:55 PM

Right on Dunlop, will see about checking it out. Thx

KingofKings2525

12-02-2008, 11:02 PM

I'll second the best of 2007 dvd. I borrowed that from a friend of couple of weeks ago and it is fucking fantastic.

Also, since you seem to enjoy the smaller league's/circuits you may enjoy the ultimate fighter reality show. The reality part is stupid but the fights in the semis and finals are always fun, plus it gives you a chance to follow fighters from their first fight in the UFC. If you have a DVR I would recommend recording that and fast forwarding to the end to watch the weeks fight.

DarkKnight81

12-03-2008, 12:24 AM

Right on Scott, will look into it. With the decisions, what do the judge's base their decisions off of, anyway?

It's a 10 point must scoring system which means that the winner of the round will get 10 points, the loser will get 9 or less depending on how they performed. I've never seen anything below 8, most rounds are 10-9. It is based on effective striking, grappling, agression, and octagon control. Once you see a few fights you might begin to see how the scoring goes. While some rounds will have a clear winner, some are real tight and it can be a toss up. The biggest problem I see is that damage should be added to the scoring requirements. For instance, in the case of July's Forrest Griffin vs Quinton Jackson, Forrest landed more strikes and had more takedowns. However, Quinton was never really in trouble. Forrest on the other hand was almost KO'd several times and if you looked at their faces and didn't see the fight you'd swear Quinton won. But he didn't because scoring doesn't care who delivered more damaging strikes, just who landed more. It's weird.

DarkKnight81

12-03-2008, 12:27 AM

Having said that, someone recommended I start with UFC show 84, for a good all-around fighting show with good fights. What do you all think?

I've been watching UFC from the start and I've seen every PPV, UFC 84 has to be my favorite. It's exciting from top to bottom with some of the best fighters, plus it's recent so it's got a lot of today's top fighters.

jaw2929

12-03-2008, 12:35 AM

King, no DVR.... I've tried watching Ultimate Fighter, and you're right, the reality part IS boring. I don't think it'd be worth it to buy the series on DVD, just for a few fights at the end of each week.

But will definitely pick up the Best of 2007 and UFC 84 for sure. I like the fights that end in KO or tap out. I think that's how every fight should end, but of course I know a lot of them don't.

I'm sure I'd get the decision stuff after awhile. I'll probably pick up the 2 DVD's mentioned for X-mas or something. Thanks guys.

Mopar Fanatic

12-06-2008, 07:41 PM

Affliction 2: Fedor v Arlovski

http://i34.tinypic.com/2mc6loz.jpg

This card is coming together nicely:

Fedor v Arlovski
Lindland v Belfort at MW
Babalu v TBA at 205
Barnett v Yvel - I still can't believe Yvel can get a license.
Buentello v Kiril "Baby Fedor" Sidellnikov
Rog Nog v Matyushenko II
Chris Horodecki v Dan Lauzon
Mark Hominick v LC Davis

Scheduled for January 24, but, you know.

Another great card on paper assuming they all get confirmed. Unfortunately I imagine it will be the last one that Affliction puts on. Hopefully it will at least generate some negotiating clout for the winning guys to be picked up by the UFC.

DarkKnight81

12-11-2008, 02:45 PM

That was by far the most brutal UFC event I've ever seen. Completely broken leg for Corey Hill, likely torn ligaments for Al-Hassan, the biggest bruise i've ever seen made Wolfe look like he was hit with sledgehammer on his forehead, and Yoshida was taken out on a stretcher after Kos double Ko'd him. And all in the name of building a hospital, maybe the UFC's next event should be a fundraiser to build their own.

Criminal Rock

12-11-2008, 03:10 PM

Yeah, last nights fights were pretty fun... and there were a lot of broken limbs.

Mopar Fanatic

12-11-2008, 03:28 PM

RIP Coery Hill's leg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hwp_JwwGPhc

scottmushroom

12-11-2008, 06:55 PM

Found this pic of the actual break.....great picture.......disgusting......but great picture.

DONT LOOK IF YOU ARE SQUEAMISH

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/7762-CoryHill_FIGHT.jpg

JJFlamingo

12-11-2008, 06:57 PM

Since when did Mr. Fantastic get into the Octagon?? :D

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DarkKnight81

12-11-2008, 07:44 PM

As exciting as last night was, it was probably the last thing the UFC needed to happen. They're constantly fighting against the idea that MMA is a brutal sport. Last night was BRUTAL.

scottmushroom

12-11-2008, 08:58 PM

Babalu will be fighting Sokodjou at Affliction

should be an exciting fight.

DarkKnight81

12-11-2008, 09:01 PM

Mopar Fanatic why do you think Affliction 2 will be their last event?

scottmushroom

12-11-2008, 09:03 PM

As for DVDs any of the "ultimate _____" series are good as well......Ultimate KOs, comebacks, submissions.......also Hits vol 1 and 2 are good for some of the older fights. For events I liked 52, 74, 79, 80, 81, 51, 64, 40. A lot of the great events (low to mid 30's) aren't out yet. I've got pretty much all of the UFC dvds and those are the ones that come to mind ATM.

scottmushroom

12-11-2008, 09:05 PM

Mopar Fanatic why do you think Affliction 2 will be their last event?
Not sure about his reasons.....but their payouts are too high when compared with their PPV buys......mma just doesn't really sell on PPV unless it's UFC.....which is unfortunate because other promotions put on some damn good shows.

Mopar Fanatic

12-13-2008, 03:15 PM

Mopar Fanatic why do you think Affliction 2 will be their last event?

Well, they only promised 3 events to begin with. The 2nd event was delayed for several months and had an aborted attempt to partner with Golden Boy (who they are now competing with in the same time slot) and several card changes. It seems like they are looking for a short-term ROI target and I don't think they're going to do much better than they did for their first show. When they look at the #s after their next show, which is sure to lose money like the 1st one did, they'll have to decide whether to put on a 3rd money losing show and then fold or to just fold right then and there. I think they'll do the latter.

DarkKnight81

12-25-2008, 09:40 AM

KingofKings2525

12-25-2008, 12:59 PM

KingofKings2525

12-25-2008, 01:00 PM

After Lenser and Nog fight will it finally be time for Kongo to fight the Champion? I'm real high on him.

DarkKnight81

12-25-2008, 01:19 PM

We have the same winners predicted, though I expect to see at least one 1st round TKO.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nog or Kongo win by first round TKO

DarkKnight81

12-25-2008, 01:20 PM

Mopar Fanatic

12-25-2008, 05:04 PM

Predictions

- Silva over Rampage, third rd TKO. No way Rampage has repaired his confidence after the soul-rapings Silva's given him in the past. And now his best sparring partner is Michael Bisping while Silva is preparing with Forrest Griffin... Wanderlei all the way.

- Nog over Mir, third rd submission. That's about as long as it should take for Mir to totally gas out on a workrate he can't handle. Until then, Nog will be comfortably cruising to a dec win standing or on the ground.

- Forrest over Rashad, 4th rd submission. Rashad is incredibly overrated standing. 4/5 times, that overhand on Liddell never would've happened while he spastically shadowboxed himself to a boring dec loss. Forrest is too good on the ground for Rashad to safely control him there, and has a way better workrate standing. Eventually, he'll catch rashad standing, beat him up on the ground and get a rnc.

- Okami over Lister by dec.

I really don't think this is a particularly good card otherwise. I'll go with
Dollaway
Al Turk
Hardonk
Hamill
Chonan
Evenson

Cosimo

12-25-2008, 08:16 PM

cro cop should beat man choi hehlkajsj

cro cop was ace!

silva over rampage, aint rampage still in troubles with policia?

scottmushroom

12-25-2008, 10:31 PM

UFC 92 Predictions

Evans def Griffin via TKO round 3
Nogeuria def Mir via TKO round 2
Silva def Jackson via KO round 3
Dolloway def Massenzio via UD
Kongo def Al Turk kia TKO round 2
Okami def Lister via UD

Rest of the card is garbage.
Looks about like I would have said. I hope CB loses and I would like to see Dean Lister pull it off....although I would also like to see Anderson pull of a revenge win over Okami. I still think its bullshit that CB is on the main card while Okami and Lister are regulated to the prelims....as it was put by another poster on Sherdog:

Who'd want to see an experienced, top 10 middleweight in Okami and former KOTC Champion, 2-time National Sambo champ, 4-time Machado BJJ champ, and Gracie BJJ champ, and ADCC champ, Dean Lister fight on the card when they can have C f'king B f'king Dolloway showcasing his superior skills instead

that pretty well sums it up.

scottmushroom

12-25-2008, 10:32 PM

After Lenser and Nog fight will it finally be time for Kongo to fight the Champion? I'm real high on him.
I think Kongo will get exposed if he fights a guy like Gonzaga or anybody with a decent ground game.

Funny because Heath Herring looked like a ground wizard against Kongo. Kongo has solid standup skills but nothing as far as a ground game.

scottmushroom

12-26-2008, 10:16 PM

Damn....Justin Eilers was murdered.:(

KingofKings2525

12-27-2008, 01:13 AM

Can't fucking wait until tomorrow night!

Put $50 down on Silva, Nog, and Evans as straight winners... doesn't matter how they win as long as they are the victor when it's all said and done. Not bad odds as a 3 picker for $50 will equal just about $280.

Now that I have money on it I know I'll be wrong :)

DarkKnight81

12-27-2008, 10:51 AM

Wow, Nog looked fat at the weigh ins and Mir looked bigger and better than ever. I'd still put money on Nog but the odds have got to be closer after this debacle. Let's hope Nog doesn't pull a "Werdum."

bourahioro

12-27-2008, 11:50 AM

Damn....Justin Eilers was murdered.:(

I thought he commited suicide?!

scottmushroom

12-27-2008, 06:18 PM

I thought he commited suicide?!
Nope. they actually have a guy in custody for it. Apparently there was a dispute at a party and the guy pulled a gun and shot him in the chest.

Actually I think you were thinking of Justin Levens. He apparently (nobody knows for sure, but that's how they are treating the investigation) killed his wife and himself last week. Creepily enough he was the fighter that was Evan Tanner's last win in his MMA career.

Eilers was a heavyweight fighter out of the Militech camp who was Andrei Arlovski's final sucessfull title defense and he also fought for the EliteXC HW title. Solid fighter, but never made it big in the large orgs.

Criminal Rock

12-27-2008, 07:32 PM

My predictions for tonight...

NOGUEIRA VS. MIR

In a kickboxing match Nog would most likely beat Mir like the large slab of meat that he is... in a wrestling match Mir would most likely own Nog being that he never really focused on that part of the game all too much... in a Jitsu match, however, I couldn't possibly tell any of you who the winner would be. Both are highly regarded BJJ blackbelts, so both are no joke on the ground. I give the advantage to Nog for having the heart, the experience, and of course the stand-up skills. If he can control the fight and keep it on his feet, which I'm sure he can, he will win in the 2nd or 3rd by KO or TKO. The best chance Mir has would be to out-wrestle Nog to the mat and GNP him so badly that he gives up position where Mir could then submit him or till the ref stops the fight. But I don't believe enough in Mir to think he's capable of executing a gameplan like that against a fighter like Nog... Nog by KO or TKO R2 or 3.

RAMPAGE VS. SILVIA

Rampage is going to take the fight to the ground, where he will out-wrestle Silvia, establish a dominant position, and GNP him for the win. He is now training with Bisbing at his gym in England, and this is, in my opinion, the smartest move he could have made at this point in his career. I don't see this fight being in any way similar to their last two bouts in Pride.. I'm not saying the guy is a different fighter, he's the same old technical brawler, don't get me wrong (oxymoron, I know...), he'll instead use different skills to beat him, skills that he's always had. So, if Rampage sticks to that gameplan, he will win by Decision.

GRIFFIN VS. EVANS

Forrest is taller, bigger, stronger, more well-rounded, has better trainers and training partners, and less full of himself than Rashad Evans. From the get go, we'll see Forrest take the center of the ring where he'll set up combinations, probably some leg kicks, push Rashad to the fence, and take him to the ground where' he'll pound out a TKO in the 3rd or 4th round. This is to say if Forrest doesn't walk into the same one-two punch like Chuck did.

OKAMI VS. LISTER

Okami by TKO, R1 - Dean is a bit too slow for Okami, and not as experienced in MMA. He won't be able to take the pressure the Japanese man will force upon him... the best chance Lister has against a guy like Okami would be to look for the take down as soon as possible and GNP him for the win. Even still, Yushin aint no joke on the ground either. Looking at his profile on sherdog he has never been submitted in any of his fights.

KONGO VS. AL TURK

Turk by TKO or submission, R2 - I'm not sure if Kongo has improved his wrestling game at all since his last fight... I know he's been training with Bisbing and Rampage, but not long enough to think that part of his game is improved enough for MMA competition. Though I'm very aware of Kongo's striking abilities and that he could at any time KO Turk into oblivion. However, I believe that if Al takes the fight to the ground like he usually does, he won't have much of a problem pounding Kongo's face into the mat.

DOLLAWAY VS. MASSENZIO

My boy CB will take this one, by KO or TKO R2 - Superior stand up and wrestling will be his advantage during this fight. CB's weakness, however, is his jitsu game against someone like Massenzio. Though I'm sure CB's plan will be to keep the fight standing as long as possible before even considering taking it to the ground, and with his superior wrestling he can do this.

MATT HAMILL VS. REESE ANDY

Don't know who Reese is... According to my friend, he pretty much the same kind of fighter as Hamill, though I'm sure Hamill's experience and strength will win him the fight. I'll say Win for Hamill Unanimous Decision

HARDONK VS. WESSEL

I don't know enough about Wessel to know how good of a fighter he is, never heard of him before... I'll say Hardonk will win the fight but I cant say when or how.

CHONAN VS. BLACKBURN

Never heard of Blackburn... Don't know much about Chonan beside him submitting Anderson Silva back in Cage Rage, so I can't say anything's for sure.

EVENSEN VS. BARRY

Don't know either of these two fighters...

Now, lets see how wrong I am.. haha

DunlopolnuD

12-27-2008, 10:04 PM

Griffin def Evans via UD
Nogeuria def Mir via Sub RD 3
Silva def Jackson via TKO RD 2
Dolloway def Massenzio via Sub RD 1
Kongo def Al Turk kia TKO RD 1

Getting 'em in before it starts!

DarkKnight81

12-28-2008, 12:52 AM

Wow, what a night. I did not see Rampage or Mir winning the way they did. Holy shit!

scottmushroom

12-28-2008, 12:58 AM

This may very well be my worst called fight card ever.....I usually do pretty well.

bourahioro

12-28-2008, 02:12 AM

Same here!

Criminal Rock

12-28-2008, 06:25 AM

I totally underrated both Mir's and Rampages striking, and I overrated Forrest's Jitsu/Wrestling... and I didn't realize how big a person Kongo really is, he made Al Turk look like a little boy.

Damn good fights.

DunlopolnuD

12-28-2008, 06:48 AM

I'm at a loss for words... though I did nail the Kongo one!

Cosimo

12-28-2008, 04:13 PM

twas a harsh punch by rampage

evans is ill

bourahioro

12-28-2008, 05:49 PM

I dunno why - maybe it's how he handles himself when he gets rocked (swaying, looking dumb), but I DO NOT like Rashad Evans. He annoys me.

Mopar Fanatic

12-28-2008, 10:43 PM

scottmushroom

12-29-2008, 12:51 AM

I dunno why - maybe it's how he handles himself when he gets rocked (swaying, looking dumb), but I DO NOT like Rashad Evans. He annoys me.
Agreed....he comes across as a cocky motherfucker.....

Mopar Fanatic

01-09-2009, 12:39 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Ufc93poster.jpg

http://93.ufc.com/

Main Card

Light Heavyweight bout:
Rich Franklin vs. Dan Henderson

Light Heavyweight bout:
Mark Coleman vs. Mauricio Rua

Middleweight bout:
Alan Belcher vs. Denis Kang

- Don't care.

Welterweight bout:
Marcus Davis vs. Chris Lytle

- Going with Lytle.

Middleweight bout:
Jeremy Horn vs. Rousimar Palhares

- Don't care.

Preliminary Card

Welterweight bout:
Martin Kampmann vs. Alexandre Barros

Light Heavyweight bout:
Eric Schafer vs. Antonio Mendes

Light Heavyweight bout:
Tomasz Drwal vs. Ivan Serati

Welterweight bout:
Thomas Egan vs John Hathaway

Lightweight bout:
Nate Mohr vs. Dennis Siver

DarkKnight81

01-09-2009, 06:43 PM

Lots of MMA news coming across the last few days....

-Roger Huerta has turned down a new five fight deal from the UFC to pursue his modeling/acting career. He still has one fight left on his current deal but could be cut and most likely will since he lost his last fight, or he'll end up on the undercard.

-Good news/bad news for Rampage. He plead guilty in court and could face up to 6 months in jail. He's also been said to be the first challenger to Rashad Evans lightheavyweight title.

UFC 96 Rumored Bouts March
-Chuck Liddell vs TBD...my guesses are Houston Alexander, Steve Cantwell, or possibly Rich Franklin if he comes out of the Henderson fight unscathed.
-Gabe Gonzaga vs Shane Carwin
-A bunch of other insignificant fights, this card looks like a bust to me.

UFC 97 Rumored bouts April
-Anderson Silva vs Thales Leites Middleweight championship
-GSP vs TBD (Likely Thiago Alves if GSP beats Penn)
-Keith Jardine vs Luiz Cane
-Davis Loiseua vs Ed Herman

UFC 98 Rumored bouts May
-Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir
-Nogeuira vs Couture
-Matt Hughes vs Matt Serra

And of course KenFlo's waiting for his shot at BJ, probably in June if he chooses to wait that long.

KingofKings2525

01-12-2009, 06:52 PM

Is anybody really watching this weekend's card? Awful way to start the new year.

DarkKnight81

01-12-2009, 07:43 PM

I'd love to watch it, but the bar I go to never gets the tape delayed events and I don't really feel like paying for it on PPV. So I'm kinda screwed.

DunlopolnuD

01-13-2009, 05:00 AM

If this PPV had been any other month on it's own, I'd buy it... but being that it isn't, I can't.

scottmushroom

01-13-2009, 08:22 PM

Couture isn't going to be fighting anytime soon. Apparently he is having bone spurs removed from his arm(s?).

EDIT:
Former UFC heavyweight champion, Randy “The Natural” Couture has been forced to turn down a fight with former interim heavyweight champion, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira due to an injury.

According to a report by InsideFights.com, Couture was lined up to take on the dangerous Brazilian early in 2009 but the fight has been shelved so the Las Vegas based fighter can have two bone spurs removed from his elbow.

scottmushroom

01-13-2009, 08:23 PM

I'd love to watch it, but the bar I go to never gets the tape delayed events and I don't really feel like paying for it on PPV. So I'm kinda screwed.
This is where the internet is your friend.....:D

DarkKnight81

01-13-2009, 08:25 PM

Couture isn't going to be fighting anytime soon. Apparently he is having bone spurs removed from his arm(s?).

Yeah I heard about that, hopefully the fight happens later in the year. In the meantime I'd like to see Nog vs Kongo.

Mopar Fanatic

01-16-2009, 03:10 PM

Final Predictions

Shogun easy

Kang, but not easily, and people will depart his bandwagon quickly

Davis--both guys will want to box and I think Davis is a bit better in that department

Palharaes--Younger, stronger, faster. Beats Horn to the spot consistently and eventually secures a sub

I though Kampmann was a good MW and if he can make WW comfortably he could be a factor. He'll be one of the better strikers there. I'll bet on him just because of the potential.

The rest of the card doesn't interest me.

Mopar Fanatic

01-16-2009, 03:11 PM

Franklin x Henderson means absolutely nothing as long as Silva is in the UFC.

the clever guy

01-17-2009, 02:58 AM

Final Predictions

Shogun easy

Coleman's kind of a tank. Shogun will give him a good fucking fight nonetheless. It's a tough bout. Honestly, I'm going for "the hammer." I honestly see this one lasting till the end though. To me, I see it as more-or-less an even match since both fighters are actually quite good.

MistAh BlistAh

01-17-2009, 03:28 AM

pretty weak card, definetly ain't going nowhere to waste money on this one, sopcast for sure. What do you expect though, the last one was fuckin stacked.

With that said, I am looking forward to the 2 main events but thats about it.

Winners in RED:
Light Heavyweight bout:
Rich Franklin vs. Dan Henderson

Light Heavyweight bout:
Mark Coleman vs. Mauricio Rua

DarkKnight81

01-17-2009, 04:57 AM

I think if Dan Henderson wins it will be by decision, but I could see Rich KO'ing Dan in any round. This ones a coin toss to me.

Mauricio Rua and Mark Coleman is also an interesting fight, mainly because its hard to anticipate what you're going to see from either guy. If Shogun healthy? Does Mark have anything left? I think it's possible we could see Coleman smother Shogun and eventually gain a GnP victory but I'll take what I've seen from Shogun's recent workouts and say he gets the late 1st, early 2nd round KO.

I don't know much about Kang, but I hope he destroys Belcher who I absolutely can't stand. Kang by sub round 1.

Palhares by sub round 1, why is Horn still in the UFC?

Marcus Davis by decision, I can't believe people are picking Lytle in this one who's taken beatings from far lesser strikers than Davis.

DunlopolnuD

01-17-2009, 08:04 AM

Franklin by Sub (I REALLY like both fighters, but if I had to choose, this would be it)
Rua by TKO
Kang by TKO (I really want to see Kang do good, work his way up, maybe challenge Silva for the title in 2 or 3 more matches)
Paul Harris by Decision?
Davis by KO

DarkKnight81

01-17-2009, 12:32 PM

For those who haven't seen the workout, you can check it out here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFNPy85iwJA

Criminal Rock

01-18-2009, 04:08 PM

Diego Sanchez Rap Video (http://promma.info/?p=7700)

Enjoy.

DunlopolnuD

01-18-2009, 05:37 PM

Diego Sanchez Rap Video (http://promma.info/?p=7700)

Enjoy.

I think I just threw up in my mouth.

I'm disappointed by Kang's debut, maybe he wouldn't be a real challenge to Silva for the middleweight title. I was actually happy with the outcome of Franklin-Henderson, it seemed like Hendo wanted the spot on TUF and Franklin really didn't, but being that Franklin could have won that decision it really didn't feel like a loss... so I could see him coming out of this one strong. Rua needs a lot of work with his cardio, if he can't go 3 rounds, how the hell is he ever suppose to go for the title... Coleman is out of his mind, if he thinks anyone wants to see him gas out again, challenging Rua to a third fight.

DarkKnight81

01-18-2009, 08:59 PM

So now it's Rampage vs Jardine at UFC 96. What the hell happened to Rampage vs Rashad and Jardine vs Cane? Those fights made way more sense, Jardine is a step backwards for Rampage. My guess is either Rashad or Rampage didn't want to take the fight, or Dana needed a main event for UFC 96 and Rampage volunteered. I guess this means that the winner of Machida/Silva will get the first shot at Rashad.

Also Dana confirmed Liddell vs Shogun at UFC 97. If the Shogun that showed up yesterday shows up to this fight, Chuck will get another highlight reel KO. I think the setup here is for Chuck to win this fight, possibly fight Forrest UFC 100 in July and if he wins that he'll get a title shot in December.

I think Shogun's got a multitude of problems right now. Obviously first and foremost is the knee, the guy was successful because he had amazing cardio and ruthless Muay Thai. With the type of injuries he's had lately, the same types of surgeries that end athlete's careers, it's hard to imagine he'll ever be the same again. Secondly, he's young and he's got to have so much pressure on him to perform and basically it's become a dissapointment if he doesn't KO his opponent in the first round. He seemed disinterested this weekend and I wonder if he's really got his heart into fighting as much as needs to be successful at it. We could be looking at the new Vitor Belfort.

scottmushroom

01-18-2009, 11:44 PM

UFC light heavyweight champion, Rashad Evans is seemingly on the run from former champ and 205 pound wrecking machine, Quinton “Rampage” Jackson.

According to a report by The Wrestling Observer, Evans was approached to face Jackson at UFC 96 after the promotion decided not to go ahead with Shane Carwin vs Gabriel Gonzaga as the main event.

Evans turned down the bout, saying he couldn’t be ready on time. This led the promotion to pull Keith Jardine from his UFC 97 clash with Luiz Cane and put him directly between Jackson and a shot at his title.

Interestingly, Jardine is based at the same camp as Evans and the pair are close friends. Could Jardine scupper the Wolfslair trained Jackson’s plans to get his belt back and save his friend from facing to Memphis born star? Only time will tell, but Jardine will have his hands full on March 7th, that is for sure.

************************************************** *******

I hate seeing Shogun like this. My hopes were very high for his UFC run after his performance in the 2005GP. Hopefully he can get his act together physically and mentally so he doesn't end up spiraling like Cro Cop did. Although I still hold some hope that Cro Cop will come back.

KingofKings2525

01-19-2009, 05:31 PM

Ended up watching the PPV this weekend by accident when I went to a sports bar at 12pm PST... Watched the whole card... fun matches but nobody impressed me. Shogun is going to get killed by Chuck which is sad because Chuck is garbage now.

Mopar Fanatic

01-21-2009, 12:32 PM

DarkKnight81

01-21-2009, 02:41 PM

Ok, I'll bite.

Fedor by Ko round 1. Fedor could win this pretty much any way he wants but I think AA's JJ is good enough that he could avoid the armbar or RNC. If Arlovski wins it will be by flash KO.

Lindland by UD. I love Belfort and I'm rooting for him all the way but Lindland will likely smother him for three rounds.

Babalu by sub round 2. I think Soko will start out strong as usual but if Renato can weather the storm he will wear him down.

Barnett by sub round 1.

Not really interested in the other fights.

DarkKnight81

01-24-2009, 11:51 PM

Arlovski was the most dangerous opponent Fedor could face, more dangerous than Barnett, Lesnar, Couture, or anyone else. Fedor will not be beaten by anyone anytime soon.

scottmushroom

01-25-2009, 12:40 AM

This was all I had to say tonight:eek:DAMN!

I honestly thought this was going to be a slugfest.

MistAh BlistAh

01-25-2009, 12:45 AM

I'm extremely disappointed by Arlovski...:(

At least Belfort got the win...:cool:

unspoken

01-25-2009, 02:30 AM

That KO was awesome. And also the easiest 40 bucks I ever made.

Criminal Rock

01-25-2009, 04:15 PM

I still don't understand why Arlovski went for that flying knee... His stick and move game-plan was working very well. If he continued to fight like he originally intended he would have won the round, perhaps the fight.

I was rooting for Fedor to win this time, but after seeing Andre's performance last night (And how much he was dominating before he fucked it all up), I'll be rooting for The Pit Bull if there is ever a rematch.

MistAh BlistAh

01-25-2009, 04:46 PM

I heard something about Arlovski going to boxing, so I don't know about a rematch.

MISFITS_Fiend

01-26-2009, 12:47 AM

Tonight's WEC show:

Varner is a little bitch. That is all. :mad:

DarkKnight81

01-26-2009, 08:35 AM

Varner was on his feet, it should have been a TKO for Cerrone. Varner was just looking for a way out and the ref blew the call. Then he starts flopping around and crying, what a fucking joke.

MISFITS_Fiend

01-27-2009, 03:36 AM

Yep. The first thing I thought of was how he won the belt in the first place. He was getting his ass kicked by Rob McCullough and asked the ref for a timeout to put his mouthpiece back in after Rob knocked it out with a great hook. The ref gave it to him, thus destroying Rob's momentum and allowing him to get caught.

I've never liked Varner and probably never will. I was really hoping Cerrone would win; the kid's got balls of steel and a chin to match.

bourahioro

01-29-2009, 02:41 PM

R.I.P. Helio Gracie.

HurricanesR1

01-29-2009, 03:15 PM

What do you guys think about GSP-Penn and Machida-Silva?

I think if Penn is going to win, he needs to TKO/Sub GSP in the first 3 rounds. If he doesn't, I think he'll wear down and GSP will control him for the last 10 minutes and take a decision...either another split or close unanimous. My guess is that the fight will be very close through 3rds with Penn up 2-1...then GSP will win the last two and take it 3 rounds to 2.

I think Machida is going to counter Silva the same way he's done vs. his other opponents. Machida's style normally works good vs. aggressive strikers.

Guida-Diaz is another one that I'm excited about. I think Guida will either outwork Diaz to a decision win or Diaz will sub him. My prediction is that Guida will out-hustle Diaz, take him to the ground, and will get submitted. Diaz attempts so many submissions and I just see him being able to capitalize on one of them.

DarkKnight81

01-30-2009, 02:46 PM

Prediction time
GSP def BJ Penn via UD. I think this goes much like the first fight but more in GSP's favor with better control.

Machida def Silva via armbar Rd. 2 Silva will come out swinging and chasing, Lyoto will frustrate him. Thiago will come into the second round gased, Machida gets the takedown and sub.

Bonnar def Jones by TKO rd 1. I don't know anything about Jones but I'm a Bonnar fan, so war Bonnar.

Kim def Parysian via UD. This is basically a hate pick, and I fucking loathe Karo. He's a stupid fuck and deserves to lose to a young talented guy like the stun gun.

Diaz def Guida via triangle round 3. This will be Diaz's biggest test yet but he'll come through and show's he's for real, Guida will tire and get sloppy.

Fitch def Gono by UD. This will be rather easy for Fitch, but as usual he won't have enough to put Akihiro away.

KingofKings2525

01-30-2009, 02:58 PM

GSP def BJ Penn via split decision. Fight will probably be very lame.

Machida def Silva via TKO rd 1. At least this will have excitement.

sbunn10

01-30-2009, 08:15 PM

can't wait...

KingofKings2525

01-30-2009, 09:36 PM

Seriously? To me this is one of the worst cards in a long time.

HurricanesR1

01-30-2009, 11:00 PM

Seriously? To me this is one of the worst cards in a long time.
really? I totally disagree.

on the undercard, we get Fitch-Gono and Tavares-Gamburyan

on the maincard, we get these awesome matches:

Diaz-Guida
Machida-Silva
GSP-Penn

super card imo

sbunn10

01-31-2009, 11:00 AM

I agree w/ Hurricanes.

DunlopolnuD

01-31-2009, 09:24 PM

GSP def BJ by TKO in round 4
Machida def Silva by TKO in round 3
Bonnar def Jones by Unanimous Decision
Parysian def Kim by Split Decision
Guida def Diaz by TKO in round 2
Fitch def Gono by TKO in round 1

scottmushroom

02-01-2009, 01:18 AM

Well i guess all that shit talk came back to bite BJ in the ass!:D

the clever guy

02-01-2009, 01:43 AM

Well i guess all that shit talk came back to bite BJ in the ass!:D

Maybe he's regretting that fucking vacation now. Seriously, did BJ even try to fight that whole time? I mean, props to BJ taking a fucking beating...but really? GSP didn't have a scratch on him meanwhile BJ had a busted up nose and a cut under his eye.

Biggest upset for me: Silva....WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?! Again, what was with people not wanting to fight tonight. Silva practically threw the fight. What the fuck?! Although that knockout had to fucking hurt. Everyone at Buffalo Wild Wings was cringing after that and the knee to the nuts. What a fucking sham.

DarkKnight81

02-01-2009, 01:44 AM

BJ talked more shit than any other fighter in history and he landed less than a handful of clean shots on GSP. Hopefully he just stays at 155 from now on.

DarkKnight81

02-01-2009, 01:45 AM

Biggest upset for me: Silva....WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?! Again, what was with people not wanting to fight tonight. Silva practically threw the fight. What the fuck?! Although that knockout had to fucking hurt. Everyone at Buffalo Wild Wings was cringing after that and the knee to the nuts. What a fucking sham.

I knew Machida was going to whoop that ass. He's fought far tougher competition and looked far better doing it. He make Thiago Silva look silly.

HurricanesR1

02-01-2009, 02:18 AM

1. BJ Penn (my favorite fighter) needs to stay at 155
2. Lyoto Machida needs to get much more respect
3. Dong Hyun Kim was robbed
4. Clay Guida needs to do more than hug opponents for 3 rounds

Criminal Rock

02-01-2009, 03:14 AM

Machida is a badass.

the clever guy

02-01-2009, 11:37 AM

I knew Machida was going to whoop that ass. He's fought far tougher competition and looked far better doing it. He make Thiago Silva look silly.

No, Thiago Silva made Thiago Silva look silly. He didn't even put up a fight. He stood there and got pounded....or rather laid there and got pounded.

DarkKnight81

02-01-2009, 01:40 PM

No, Thiago Silva made Thiago Silva look silly. He didn't even put up a fight. He stood there and got pounded....or rather laid there and got pounded.

Whatever you want to call it, he was exposed.

inglourious basterd

02-01-2009, 01:48 PM

Maybe he's regretting that fucking vacation now. Seriously, did BJ even try to fight that whole time? I mean, props to BJ taking a fucking beating...but really? GSP didn't have a scratch on him meanwhile BJ had a busted up nose and a cut under his eye.

Biggest upset for me: Silva....WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?! Again, what was with people not wanting to fight tonight. Silva practically threw the fight. What the fuck?! Although that knockout had to fucking hurt. Everyone at Buffalo Wild Wings was cringing after that and the knee to the nuts. What a fucking sham.

A couple thoughts on this:

1. I don't believe that BJ's cardio was an issue for this fight. It was just GSP fighting a smart fight. GSP wore him out by making him fight in unfavorable positions for the entire fight. That GSP was able to get those positions is what's most impressive.

2. BJ was definitely fighting hard. It's just that GSP was so much better. BJ is a world champion jiu-jitsu fighter and GSP steamrolled him on the ground. That was impressive and it doesn't happen to BJ often. On the ground, BJ had some amazing position changes and he went for several submissions, but GSP was too good with his evasion and he was doing some heavy and precise ground/pound.

3. The Silva/Machida result was not really a surprise. Joe Rogan had it completely right when he said that Silva just feeds directly into Machida's style. Silva is best suited to fighters that are willing to stand in there and bang w/ him or with fighters will try to take him on the ground. Machida was just too smart. Machida knows exactly when to counter and when to run...and his timing is great.

Thiago Silva made Thiago Silva look silly. He didn't even put up a fight. He stood there and got pounded....or rather laid there and got pounded.

4. I think part of your frustration with Silva and Penn has to do with a lack of understanding of the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu ground game. These jiu jitsu black belts are dangerous from their back. By laying on their back, they're trying to bait the guy on top into a submission. You'd be surprised how effective that it can be (just check out how Mir took out Lesnar (http://www.wat.tv/video/ufc-81-brock-lesnar-vs-frank-hv1g_ha66_.html)). It's just that both Machida and St. Pierre were just too good with their evasion, timing, and tactics.