Official UFC/PRIDE Fighting/MMA Thread [Archive] - Page 7

BrundleROB

01-01-2010, 04:45 PM

Did Dana White ever say that those two would square off in '10? That's a dream match in the making. I honestly think that Silva would win though. GSP would obviously try to take Silva down, but his pin point accuarcy with his fists would be too much for Rush. He's a great wrestler. No doubt about that. But his standup has got nothing on Silva's.

Who's looking forward to UFC 108 tomorrow?

The card looks like it's absolutely shit. But you never know, there could be a show stealer and an early candidate for fight of the year. I'm just watching it to see who will win beween Evans and Silva. It seems logical that they would put the guys who's only losses are against the light heavyweight champion (No not Shogun, Machida).

I don't necessarily like either one of them, nor am I cheering at all. My prediction: It ends in the first round.

Mopar Fanatic

01-03-2010, 07:30 PM

Did Dana White ever say that those two would square off in '10? That's a dream match in the making. I honestly think that Silva would win though. GSP would obviously try to take Silva down, but his pin point accuarcy with his fists would be too much for Rush. He's a great wrestler. No doubt about that. But his standup has got nothing on Silva's.

There's been alot of specualtion but nothing set in stone. I could definatley see the fight going the distance, but as you said Silva's accuracy would just be too much for GSP. Being able to land 82% of his stikes is un-matched accuracy in all off mma or boxing.

Mopar Fanatic

01-03-2010, 07:47 PM

Who's looking forward to UFC 108 tomorrow?

The card looks like it's absolutely shit. But you never know, there could be a show stealer and an early candidate for fight of the year. I'm just watching it to see who will win beween Evans and Silva. It seems logical that they would put the guys who's only losses are against the light heavyweight champion (No not Shogun, Machida).

I don't necessarily like either one of them, nor am I cheering at all. My prediction: It ends in the first round.

I really didn't feel that any of this warranted a response, seeing how every fight on this card sucked shit. Regardless though, all that happened last night was Thiago blowing an opportunity to KO Rashad resulting in takedowns leading him to another decision.

Mopar Fanatic

01-04-2010, 10:03 PM

Canto

01-04-2010, 11:21 PM

Fedor Emelianenko’s manager Vadim Finkelstein has posted a message on Twitter this morning (Twitter.com/vfinkelstein) is sure to get people talking:

Negotiations with UFC going on again. I hope you fans will be happy this time)

UFC president Dana White spoke to Sherdog.com last week and stated that he and M-1 had talked “more recently than anyone would think.”

www.mmanews.com
Cool, although I'd actually like to see Fedor fight Alistair Overeem in Strikeforce first and let the UFC figure out what theyre doing with the Heavyweight division.

I'm hoping Frank Mir wins the Interim Championship over Carwin and Cain Velasquez beats Noguiera for a title shot, and let the winner of Mir/Velasquez face Fedor.

BrundleROB

01-13-2010, 09:35 PM

Frank Mir versus Cain Velasquez would be an outstanding match. I gotta say though, I have no idea what will happen in those two fights. I'm usually pretty good at predicting stuff (excpet for the Rashad/Silva fight), but I have no clue what will occur in the Mir/Carwin fight and the Velasquez/Noguiera fight. Velasquez is an outstanding wrestler, but Big Nog's probably the second best grappler on the ground today. So Velasquez would have to fight perfectly (which he's always done), to pull off a win. But as we all know, Nogueira's a sneaky bastard and can bait anyone in with a submission. I don't see that fight going to a decision.

And the same thing goes with the Carwin/Mir fight. No decision for that one. Knockout or Tap Out. either way, I'm excited for both of these fights. I do hope that Carwin beats Frank though. Just because I hate the guy so much. When Carwin was supposed to be going up against Brock, I was against him. But I guess I can cheer for him for one night.

Mopar Fanatic

01-16-2010, 04:38 PM

Just because I hate the guy so much. .

What in particular makes you hate Frank Mir? I don't think you have ever given a reason. I think he's one of the smartest fighters very respectful and has some of the best Ju Jitsu in the sport.

BrundleROB

01-17-2010, 02:45 PM

I'm not doubting how good the guy is now. I always used to think that he really did get lucky in every fight. But after that fight with Kongo, I've seen the light, he is damn good.

He's respectful AFTER the fight. He always has to make every fight personal. That's what I don't like about the guy. There's a difference between trying to get into your opponent's head and just coming off like a complete asshole.

The rematch between him and Brock wouldn't have gotten so personal had Frank not run his mouth like he always does.

I'm giving him credit where credit is do, he's very smart at analyzing fights and what have ya, and he's a great commentator. And most importantly, yes, he's damn good.

But the douchebagery in his attitude is something I could do without, even though that's very common with most MMA fighters.

By the way, I know Brock can be a real prick too, but there's a difference between him and Frank: Brock has fun with it, Frank doesn't

BrundleROB

01-21-2010, 10:30 AM

BROCK IS BACK BABY!!!! Maybe if Frank beats Carwin for the Interim Championship (the made up title), Brock can batter his face apart the THIRD time, thank you very much.

Mopar Fanatic

01-21-2010, 07:44 PM

BROCK IS BACK BABY!!!! Maybe if Frank beats Carwin for the Interim Championship (the made up title), Brock can batter his face apart the THIRD time, thank you very much.

Not til this summer

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/01/20/timeline-of-brock-lesnars-health-issue-recovery/

January 20, 2010:

Lesnar speaks publicly for the first time on a live appearance accompanied by White on ESPN's SportsCenter. The UFC champ calls his recovery a "miracle" and won't need life-changing surgery. He will be back in the summer to face the winner of Mir vs. Carwin.

On this date, Lesnar weighing 273 pounds, says he's "feeling 100 percent."

HurricanesR1

01-21-2010, 07:57 PM

Lesnar-Mir III? Yawn

I saw Lesnar beat Mir down twice already. I don't need to see it a third time.

Mopar Fanatic

01-21-2010, 08:03 PM

Lesnar-Mir III? Yawn

I saw Lesnar beat Mir down twice already. I don't need to see it a third time.

I'm leaning towards Carwin winning the interim just for the sheer entertainment value of the wheels coming off Mir's wagon and him completely falling apart mentally with the loss. Cain-Nog's winner (hoping for Nog) facing Lesnar would be a hoot as well.

Mr. Creasy

02-01-2010, 10:16 PM

Fedor is going to UFC sooner or later... as simple as that!

HurricanesR1

02-04-2010, 05:46 PM

I think MMA has already reached its peak. Chael Sonnen could be the next #1 contender with a 4-3 UFC record (if he beats Marquardt). This is really a joke. The matchups are getting beyond boring. These "new" fighters are wanna-be's and aren't in the league with the current elite fighters. I guess sooner or later there will be a heavyweight tournament of former NFL players to see who gets the next shot at the heavyweight title.

LMAO at WEC on PPV. How many title shots is Donald Cerrone going to get?

JAN 09 vs. Jamie Varner....LOST
OCT 09 vs. Ben Henderson....LOST

He is 0-2 in title shots so why is he getting a rematch with Henderson after he already got schooled once by him?

BrundleROB

02-04-2010, 06:19 PM

I'm thinking Couture-Coleman this weekend will go the distance. Neither guy I don't think can finish off their opponents like they used to anymore. Two seasoned veterans man, great match up.

HurricanesR1

02-04-2010, 08:47 PM

UFC 109 should not be on PPV

BrundleROB

02-05-2010, 12:33 PM

what about when it had Vera/Noguiera and Paulo Thiago taking on that douchebag Josh Koscheck again?

BrundleROB

02-12-2010, 03:28 PM

It wasn't being wrong about how the Coleman/Couture fight went, it's just that it was such a lame, extremely slow paced match that got to me. Shit pay-per-view man.

KingofKings2525

02-21-2010, 11:38 PM

Crappy PPV - The lone bright spot - Bader. Who are they going to throw at this monster now? I have no doubt he'll be champ, soon.

Canto

02-22-2010, 04:30 AM

Cain Velasquez is the man!

Crappy PPV - The lone bright spot - Bader. Who are they going to throw at this monster now? I have no doubt he'll be champ, soon.

Jon Jones can take him.

KingofKings2525

02-22-2010, 11:44 PM

Cain Velasquez is the man!

Jon Jones can take him.

Bader would destroy Jon Jones.

BrundleROB

02-23-2010, 09:19 AM

anybody else here read about Frank Mir's comments on Brock?

Here it is: ""A lot of individuals are so worried about being politically correct," Mir said in an interview with Mark Madden on WXDX radio. "I'd rather go ahead and say what's on my mind than to sit there and come up with some PC 'Oh, the guy is a great fighter and I have a lot of respect for him.' If I don't mean it, why is it even coming out of my mouth? ... I want to fight Lesnar. I hate who he is as a person. I want to break his neck in the ring. I want him to be the first person that dies due to Octagon-related injuries. That's what's going through my mind."

"He doesn't like me and I can guarantee, you talk to anybody in my family, it's a legitimate hate," Mir said of Lesnar. "His very being bugs me just because I've seen a lot of children out there who look to athletes and martial artists as role models, and it just makes me cringe. I sit there and go, 'Man, I lost to this guy the second time around and now people think that's the way to be -- be big, obnoxious and angry.' That's not right. We have anger toward each other. Everything I stand for he despises and dislikes, and I can tell you I truly do not like him as a person whatsoever."

Frank's pretty respectable isn't he? So Frank, if we're not supposed to be 'big, obnoxious and angry', are we supposed to wanna kill people? Are we supposed to wish death upon someone like you're doing?

I don't know if he's doing this just to try to sell this fight, but this is not the way to do it. Even Mir's fans have to admit that this is a lack of class on Frank's part. I'm not saying that Brock was gentlmen at UFC 100 or anything, but he was doing exactly what you saw before the fight...talking trash.

This is not trash talking, this is just straight up unembashed stupidity. He hates Brock. I understand that. But come on, he doesn't need to be saying shit like this. It makes him look like the true bad guy in this rivalry.

I hope Brock fights him again, and I hope he bashes his face in again, so I can laugh at him, and to anyone that agrees with his comments.

I hate Frank, but I've always had respect for the guy. I no longer have any respect for him

TheDeadWalk

02-23-2010, 05:37 PM

I hated seeing this. I really like Frank Mir and understand that he's taken his ego to a whole new level - but wow was I shocked.

I think what he said was horrible for the sport and probably knocked MMA back a few years as it is just starting to become more mainstream. The next time that Brock and Frank fight all we are going to hear about is this horseshit.

Canto

02-23-2010, 08:04 PM

Bader would destroy Jon Jones.

No way, Jon Jones will handle Bader just like he did with Matt Hamill

TheDeadWalk

02-23-2010, 09:26 PM

No way, Jon Jones will handle Bader just like he did with Matt Hamill

Bader got through his first mainstream gatekeeper, so now I think he'll face a legit test. Maybe someone like Thiago Silva? He's coming off of a tough loss to Rashad Evans after destroying Keith Jardine in quick fashion.

HurricanesR1

02-24-2010, 02:59 PM

Frank Mir already got pounded into the ground by Lesnar twice...and he wants more of it?

This rivalry isn't quite as goofy as Shamrock-Ortiz, but its' getting there.

TheDeadWalk

02-24-2010, 06:47 PM

Frank Mir already got pounded into the ground by Lesnar twice...and he wants more of it?

This rivalry isn't quite as goofy as Shamrock-Ortiz, but its' getting there.

Huh? Both Mir and Lesnar have a victory over each other. It's the classic feud between a behemoth powerhouse vs. a technical submission guru.

Mopar Fanatic

02-25-2010, 04:25 AM

I hate who he is as a person. I want to break his neck in the ring. I want him to be the first person that dies due to Octagon-related injuries. That's what's going through my mind."

I have been pretty vocal about my hatred for Lesnar on here, but even I would have to agree this is a bit much.

KingofKings2525

03-03-2010, 11:10 PM

Huh? Both Mir and Lesnar have a victory over each other. It's the classic feud between a behemoth powerhouse vs. a technical submission guru.

Yes, technically. BUT people were calling for that fight to be stopped because Lesnar was pounding the shit out of Mir. Lesnar simply made a rookie mistake against a former champ and got caught with an ankle lock. Dana White should have never put him up against a former champ for his first fight.

I don't believe there will be a Lesnar/Mir 3 but if there is Lesnar is going to destroy Mir...again. I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar didn't stop until well after the ref tries to step in and call it.

moviehound

03-03-2010, 11:30 PM

What is with Dana White signing James Toney? Anyone got a clue? I mean I got see earlier in his career, but now with all his roid issues and not to mention he is 41 and out of shape. Doesnt make sense any way you look at it in my opinion.

HurricanesR1

03-04-2010, 02:06 PM

LOL at the UFC. I guess sooner or later we'll see Stone Cold vs. Barry Bonds or something. This is all about $$$. Don't be surprised if Toney fights Kimbo. They may not be a real threat to the division, but they'll draw viewers.

TheDeadWalk

03-04-2010, 05:50 PM

The signing of Toney just means that Dana White gets to prove that MMA is superior to boxing. Toney will get demolished.

Dan Hardy's way of calling GSP a one-dimensional fighter. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NovuH44MsRA&feature=player_embedded)

HurricanesR1

03-04-2010, 09:25 PM

The signing of Toney just means that Dana White gets to prove that MMA is superior to boxing. Toney will get demolished.

disagree big time

MMA and Boxing are two different sports. An MMA fighter would get beat down in boxing and a boxer would get beat down in an MMA fight. Of course Toney will likely get beat down....because he's 41 years old and just now making his MMA debut....plus he's known for not being in shape. He does have serious KO power so if he connects, it's lights out for somebody.

BJ Penn is maybe the best boxer in MMA, but if you put him in the ring to fight Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao, BJ would get humiliated. At the same time, if you put Floyd or Pacman in the cage with Penn, Floyd and Pacman would get subbed in a matter of minutes.

And if you look at the big MMA events vs. the big boxing events, boxing wins 8 or 9 out of 10 times.....and most consider boxing "finished." At this point, MMA still can't hold a candle to boxing.

Mopar Fanatic

03-04-2010, 10:52 PM

Yes, technically. BUT people were calling for that fight to be stopped because Lesnar was pounding the shit out of Mir. Lesnar simply made a rookie mistake against a former champ and got caught with an ankle lock. Dana White should have never put him up against a former champ for his first fight.

I don't believe there will be a Lesnar/Mir 3 but if there is Lesnar is going to destroy Mir...again. I wouldn't be surprised if Lesnar didn't stop until well after the ref tries to step in and call it.

It was a kneebar not an ankle lock. When was the last time an ankle lock was effective? about the last time Ken Shamrock was champion.

Mir has been working on his striking(which his last fight with kongo showed), and that's exactly what he needs to do to regain a solid win over lesnar.

What is with Dana White signing James Toney? Anyone got a clue? I mean I got see earlier in his career, but now with all his roid issues and not to mention he is 41 and out of shape. Doesnt make sense any way you look at it in my opinion.

Over-the-hill athletes from other sports see money in MMA, and the UFC is willing to sign freakshow fighters that will garner them media attention. Nothing new here.

KingofKings2525

03-05-2010, 12:53 AM

It was a kneebar not an ankle lock. When was the last time an ankle lock was effective? about the last time Ken Shamrock was champion.

Mir has been working on his striking(which his last fight with kongo showed), and that's exactly what he needs to do to regain a solid win over lesnar.

Knee bar, ankle lock, same difference. It was a rookie mistake and you know it.

Stop trolling my messages because I told you Fedor is over rated. He is, accept it and move on.

As far as Mir getting a solid win over lesnar... it must be nice living in fantasy land.

TheDeadWalk

03-05-2010, 06:36 PM

disagree big time

MMA and Boxing are two different sports. An MMA fighter would get beat down in boxing and a boxer would get beat down in an MMA fight. Of course Toney will likely get beat down....because he's 41 years old and just now making his MMA debut....plus he's known for not being in shape. He does have serious KO power so if he connects, it's lights out for somebody.

BJ Penn is maybe the best boxer in MMA, but if you put him in the ring to fight Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao, BJ would get humiliated. At the same time, if you put Floyd or Pacman in the cage with Penn, Floyd and Pacman would get subbed in a matter of minutes.

And if you look at the big MMA events vs. the big boxing events, boxing wins 8 or 9 out of 10 times.....and most consider boxing "finished." At this point, MMA still can't hold a candle to boxing.

You are right. However, I feel that MMA resembles a real fight more than a boxing match.

As far as Mir getting a solid win over lesnar... it must be nice living in fantasy land.

I've gotta say... aside from a split decision, an mma win is a solid win. When a man must tap out of a fight because he can no longer continue... the victor is a solid winner.

Mopar Fanatic

03-05-2010, 07:50 PM

Knee bar, ankle lock, same difference. It was a rookie mistake and you know it.

Stop trolling my messages because I told you Fedor is over rated. He is, accept it and move on.

As far as Mir getting a solid win over lesnar... it must be nice living in fantasy land.

You got a whiney pussy opinion about everything....making up excuses for lesnar now? A submission is about the most solid win you can get in mma.

It's only natural when you come in here and post stupid shit I'm going to correct you. Which btw is every post you have made in this thread. If you got a problem with that there's always the ignore feature.

Your giant dick chested idol wouldn't survive the first round with Fedor.

Mopar Fanatic

03-05-2010, 07:59 PM

Looks like a solid win to me.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2n66i2p.jpg

Canto

03-05-2010, 08:00 PM

Jui-jitsu takes years of training and skill, being a huge fucking beast like Brock Lesnar doesnt make him a good fighter.

I dont get how you are defending Brock Lesnar's loss by saying he made a rookie mistake, OF COURSE HE DID! and thats why he lost! if you make a mistake in MMA against a good fighter, you're done.

KingofKings2525

03-06-2010, 11:04 AM

You got a whiney pussy opinion about everything....making up excuses for lesnar now? A submission is about the most solid win you can get in mma.

It's only natural when you come in here and post stupid shit I'm going to correct you. Which btw is every post you have made in this thread. If you got a problem with that there's always the ignore feature.

Your giant dick chested idol wouldn't survive the first round with Fedor.

Read the rules. Asshole.

Mongo

03-07-2010, 08:20 AM

With the shape Mir is in now,even if Brock can get back to 100%,Mir is unstoppable. If he stays healthy, he won't lose a fight in the next few years. Unless White signs Fedor.

docholiday_13

03-09-2010, 04:52 PM

With the shape Mir is in now,even if Brock can get back to 100%,Mir is unstoppable. If he stays healthy, he won't lose a fight in the next few years. Unless White signs Fedor.

Agreed. Mir is an absolute TANK now.

I think Couture is trying to steam through his obligated UFC fights for a shot at Fedor.

DunlopolnuD

03-09-2010, 09:05 PM

I believe he was only obligated to have 2 more fights in the UFC (after he had his fallout with the UFC), he's already fought lesnar, noguiera, coleman, and vera.

Canto

03-09-2010, 11:09 PM

Randy Couture signed a 6 fight deal before the Noguiera fight, so he still has 3 more, he's supposed to fight Rich Franklin next.

DunlopolnuD

03-10-2010, 06:52 PM

Haha, that's ridiculous. If he really wanted to fight Fedor, why would he sign a 6 fight deal? I never heard about the deal, but I'll take your word for it, and that leads me to believe that he's not interested in fighting Fedor as much as he leads on.

HurricanesR1

03-10-2010, 09:07 PM

Yeah Dana White had said Couture had signed a new 6-fight deal before the Nogueira matchup.

Fedor would demolish Couture.

TheDeadWalk

03-12-2010, 07:32 PM

I like Randy, but the last time he fought a top caliber fighter (Nog) he got his ass handed to him for 15 minutes straight. I really thought during that fight that Nog was releasing the submissions he had on Randy out of some sort of respect or sympathy. Yes, Fedor would demolish him.

Mopar Fanatic

03-19-2010, 11:47 PM

UFC on Versus 1: Vera vs. Jones
Sunday, Mar. 21
9pm

Televised Card
Jon Jones vs. Brandon Vera
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Junior dos Santos
Paul Buentello vs. Cheick Kongo
Alessio Sakara vs. James Irvin

Prelims
Shannon Gugerty vs. Clay Guida
Eliot Marshall vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
Chase Gormley vs. Brendan Schaub
Daniel Roberts vs. John Howard
Darren Elkins vs. Duane Ludwig
Jason Brilz vs. Eric Schafer
Julio Paulino vs. Mike Pierce

Mongo

03-19-2010, 11:59 PM

I'd rather watch the prelims.

DunlopolnuD

03-20-2010, 09:55 AM

I'm probably more excited for this card than I should be, but all of those main card fights seem like they're going to end with someone getting knocked out.

Here's who I'd like to win...

Vera
Gonzaga (especially if he comes out to the song "Mother" again. :) )
Kongo
Sakara

And who I think will win...

Jones
Dos Santos
Buentello
Sakara

Mopar Fanatic

03-20-2010, 04:01 PM

It's a damn good card for free TV.

Mopar Fanatic

03-20-2010, 06:00 PM

Some more upcoming events:

STRIKEFORCE

STRIKEFORCE CHALLANGERS 7 - March 26, 2010
Lavar Big Johnson v Lolohea Mahe
Ron Abongo Humphry v George Bush III

STRIKEFORCE - April 17, 2010
Bobby Lashley v TBA

STRIKEFORCE - May 15, 2010
Alistair Overeem v Brett Rogers
Andrei Arlovski v Antonio Bigfoot Silva

DREAM

DREAM 13 - March 22, 2010
Josh Barnett v Mighty Mo Siliga

Last I heard, Fedor v Werdum was still off for the April Strikeforce event, but someone correct me if there's any updates on that.

For reference, here are the current MMAweekly and Sherdog HW top 10 lists:

MMA Weekly http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...d=16&zoneid=15
HEAVYWEIGHT DIVISION (over 205 pounds)

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko
2. Brock Lesnar
3. Frank Mir
4. Cain Velasquez
5. Junior Dos Santos
6. Brett Rogers
7. Shane Carwin
8. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
9. Alistair Overeem
10. Fabricio Werdum

MMAWeekly World MMA Rankings last updated on March 10, 2010

Sherdog - March 10, 2010
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...Rankings-23122
Heavyweight

1. Fedor Emelianenko (31-1, 1 NC)
2. Brock Lesnar (4-1)
3. Frank Mir (13-4)
4. Cain Velasquez (8-0)
5. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)
6. Brett Rogers (10-1)
7. Junior dos Santos (10-1)
8. Andrei Arlovski (15-7)
9. Shane Carwin (11-0)
10. Fabricio Werdum (13-4-1)

Other contenders: Aleksander Emelianenko, Gabriel Gonzaga, Alistair Overeem, Ben Rothwell, Antonio Silva.

TheDeadWalk

03-20-2010, 06:59 PM

Mongo

03-20-2010, 07:18 PM

That May 15 Strikeforce card looks great.

DunlopolnuD

03-20-2010, 08:23 PM

That April 17th card is the one that really has my interest since Mo Lawal is supposed to be fighting Gegard Mousasi, and Jake Shields is going to get worked by Hendo. That Lashley match should be a fun addition, even though it most likely won't even be competitive.

Mopar Fanatic

03-21-2010, 02:47 PM

After watching Dos Santos pick Cro Cop apart, I have to say he is one ferocious dude. I know that Mirko is past his prime, but his standup game was just dominant. Plus, he's a ju jitsu specialist? Hmmm... I could definitely see him as a contender after he takes out Gonzaga. If Gabriel wins, color me shocked.

He is a damn intriguing fighter. His standup looked terrifying. Really interested in that fight and I agree he is a contender if he destroys Gonzaga.

Mongo

03-21-2010, 10:57 PM

Dos Santos looked sharp.Vera.....ouch lol,that shot did sound painful. Loved watching Kongo do some "molesting".

DunlopolnuD

03-21-2010, 11:19 PM

Disappointed to see Gonzaga lose, dude has charisma and I just like seeing him fight, but Santos is on a fucking warpath.

The blow on Vera was disgusting, I'm surprised he didn't open him up with that, that elbow hit fucking hard.

A great night of fights overall, and now I'm really pumped for UFC 111 (is it 111?).

TheDeadWalk

03-22-2010, 03:57 PM

Well, Dos Santos destroyed Gonzaga. I say they put him up against Cain Velasquez next. Winner of that match could face whoever emerges as champion in the Lesnar/Carwin/Mir triangle which should be finalized by July.

docholiday_13

03-23-2010, 11:41 AM

Dos Santos vs Velasquez would be EPIC. You gotta wonder if the UFC would risk throwing their two top up and comers into a match already.

Can't wait for Saturday.

Mongo

03-23-2010, 03:11 PM

I don't see Hardy doing much saturday night.St Peirre should have no problem beating him.
Carwin/Mir should be a blood bath.If this goes 3 rounds I'd be shocked.

KingofKings2525

03-24-2010, 01:09 AM

Carwin is going to fuck Mir up.

Hardy doesn't have a chance.

No other fights worth mentioning.

Mopar Fanatic

03-24-2010, 08:54 PM

I agree that Dos Santos/Velasquez makes a lot of sense. It is definitely the heavyweight fight I wanna see.

HurricanesR1

03-25-2010, 07:32 AM

There are three options for Dos Santos:

Lesnar
Velasquez
Mir/Carwin winner

I think he will face the Mir/Carwin winner, while Lesnar will get Velasquez in July.

TheDeadWalk

03-25-2010, 06:19 PM

There are three options for Dos Santos:

Lesnar
Velasquez
Mir/Carwin winner

I think he will face the Mir/Carwin winner, while Lesnar will get Velasquez in July.

I'm pretty sure that the Mir/Carwin bout is for the interim heavyweight bout. Dana has said that the winner of that bout will unify the heavy title with Brock's in a showdown around July (hopefully).

Mopar Fanatic

03-25-2010, 10:40 PM

The winner of Carwin/Mir gets Lesnar for the unified title, unless said winner gets injured, at which point Velasquez steps in. White has said that he doesn't want to match up Cain/Cigano for the first post-unification challenger, so both likely get stay-busy fights in the meantime, with Cain slightly ahead in terms of the first shot.

I think the HW division is starting to look much better, UFC wise. In fact I'd say with the list below, its as good as its ever been:

Lesnar
Mir
Dos Santos
Cain
Carwin
Gonzaga

Mopar Fanatic

03-26-2010, 02:00 AM

Alright here we go

UFC 111: St. Pierre vs. Hardy
Saturday, March 27

PPV card:
Georges St-Pierre vs. Dan Hardy
Frank Mir vs. Shane Carwin
Jon Fitch vs. Ben Saunders*
Kurt Pellegrino vs. Fabricio Camoes
Jim Miller vs. Mark Bocek

Spike TV card:
-Nate Diaz vs. Rory Markham
-Ricardo Almeida vs. Matt Brown

Prelims:
-Jared Hamman vs. Rodney Wallace
-Tomasz Drwal vs. Rousimar Palhares
-Ricardo Funch vs. Matt Riddle

HurricanesR1

03-27-2010, 09:00 AM

Dan Hardy's gonna get spanked

DunlopolnuD

03-27-2010, 09:55 AM

Yeah, shouldn't be a problem for GSP. Mir Vs. Carwin looks like it could go either way, but it's definitely going to be entertaining, that's more of a sure thing than GSP beating Hardy (and that's almost as sure as you can get).

KingofKings2525

03-27-2010, 11:49 PM

Mir blows, always has. Carwin is a beast.

... and some people thought Mir would beat Lesnar in a rematch. Ha! Never.

Mongo

03-28-2010, 12:04 AM

With the shape Mir is in now,even if Brock can get back to 100%,Mir is unstoppable. If he stays healthy, he won't lose a fight in the next few years. Unless White signs Fedor.

Well shit.....

shoe1985

03-28-2010, 08:25 AM

That was a really good fight card last night.

I had my doubts about Carwin, but they were all erased last night. My god, he just destroyed Mir. I can honestly say that it would not be an upset if Carwin beat Lesnar. He is really an animal.

GSP, my god, he is amazing. Hardy had little to no offense. Although, Hardy took a beating, and most guys would have tapped.

Ben Saunders got his ass whooped by Fitch. Fitch was like a monster in this fight.

Batman won again. He destroyed.

I thought Bocek should have got the win over Miller. Very good fight though.

Rodney Wallace is a big guy, but big guys can't fight long. Jared Hamman looked like he was going to lose early on, he took some big hits, and somehow got out of it and won.

TheDeadWalk

03-28-2010, 10:41 AM

Wow, Carwin surely impressed. I can't wait to see him duke it out with Lesnar in July. As for Mir, I'd like to see him perhaps get a rematch with Big Nog.

Mopar Fanatic

03-28-2010, 03:46 PM

As big as Carwin is, Brock dwarfed him last night. Unreal.

Canto

03-28-2010, 06:47 PM

As big as Carwin is, Brock dwarfed him last night. Unreal.

Seriously! I couldn't believe how much bigger Brock is than Carwin, I still think Shane is the better fighter though and will probably win.

Dan Hardy is a tough dude, Im really surprised he got out of those submissions.

Give Jon Fitch his rematch with GSP, if he loses, then give Paulo Thiago a shot.

Im glad Nate Diaz won his fight, Id like to see him do well in the Welterweight division.

Mopar Fanatic

03-28-2010, 07:23 PM

GSP, my god, he is amazing. Hardy had little to no offense. Although, Hardy took a beating, and most guys would have tapped.

Would have been nice to see GSP break his arm with that armbar.

HurricanesR1

03-28-2010, 07:37 PM

As long as the layoff doesn't hurt him too much, Lesnar will destroy Carwin.

Mopar Fanatic

03-28-2010, 07:45 PM

As long as the layoff doesn't hurt him too much, Lesnar will destroy Carwin.

I agree, and I think Cigano will destroy Cain as well. Just leaving Cigano and Lesnar.

Mopar Fanatic

03-28-2010, 10:16 PM

The Cigano/Cain fight really needs to happen, I think Dana whites idea is to hype them up a bit more and make their fan base larger by throwing them cans in the meantime.

BrundleROB

03-29-2010, 01:41 AM

I can't believe I just read an argument on here. We have our favorite fighters and we have our opinions. Let's try to show some respect and keep it classy. Don't wanna pull a Frank Mir

Mongo

03-29-2010, 02:04 PM

I'm so ready for Wednesday night. And for some reason I hope fat ass Nelson gets pounded. Think the only reason to watch this season of TUF is obviously Tito and Chuck. Should be more shit talking than last seasons coaches.

I know it's going to be a while,but 114 is going to rock! Evans/Rashad and we get to see what Griffin will do next if anything.

TheDeadWalk

03-29-2010, 04:50 PM

The Cigano/Cain fight really needs to happen, I think Dana whites idea is to hype them up a bit more and make their fan base larger by throwing them cans in the meantime.

Who else is there other than having Dos Santos fight the people Cain has beaten, and having Cain fight the people Dos Santos has beaten?

Mopar Fanatic

03-29-2010, 08:47 PM

Who else is there other than having Dos Santos fight the people Cain has beaten, and having Cain fight the people Dos Santos has beaten?

No one really, unless they're going to sign new talent, or have them fight other psuedo-contenders like the Nelson/Struve winner, which runs counter to them not wanting to go with Cain/Cigano in the first place.

What's worse is that they want Cain to sit on the shelf until his title shot later this year, when he's still developing fight to fight and needs the cage time to further improve his game.

Mongo

03-29-2010, 09:21 PM

TheDeadWalk

03-29-2010, 09:29 PM

I'd like to see Dos Santos fight Mir. Have the winner face the Carwin/Lesner winner. I don't see Nelson going anywhere close to a title shot unless he's a last minute fill in (that would be a very long shot).

Yeah, I see Nelson getting destroyed by any of the elite talents. However, just like with watching the Ultimate Fighter, he may just shock us with an upset or two. I say that if he wins this next match, they should put Nelson up against Cro Cop. That should be his first real "Do I belong in the UFC?" test.

Mongo

03-29-2010, 09:54 PM

Yeah, I see Nelson getting destroyed by any of the elite talents. However, just like with watching the Ultimate Fighter, he may just shock us with an upset or two. I say that if he wins this next match, they should put Nelson up against Cro Cop. That should be his first real "Do I belong in the UFC?" test.

Cro Cop would be a good test for Nelson. Nogueira would be a good one aswell.

bourahioro

03-29-2010, 09:57 PM

I agree... While Cro Cop isn't at the top of his game now, he's still a very dangerous opponent. Nelson would get junked by Cro Cop, IMO.

I think Velasquez has been far more impressive than Mir, and hasn't he already beaten Carwin? Throw Velasquez up against 95% of the heavyweight division and he's gonna come out on top.

I don't think Lesnar is half as talented as he is big, if he weren't so fucking massive, he would have only won against Heath Herring.

DunlopolnuD

03-29-2010, 10:08 PM

Personally, I think Cain's next fight should be Mir. Cain knocked out Noguiera, Mir knocked out Noguiera, it makes sense.

Mopar Fanatic

03-29-2010, 10:51 PM

I agree... While Cro Cop isn't at the top of his game now, he's still a very dangerous opponent. Nelson would get junked by Cro Cop, IMO.

He hasn't been at the top of his game mentally ever since Gonzaga folded him up like a tent with that KO/head kick.

I think Velasquez has been far more impressive than Mir, and hasn't he already beaten Carwin? Throw Velasquez up against 95% of the heavyweight division and he's gonna come out on top.

Nobody has beaten Carwin, as of now he is holding a strong impressive record at 12-0(none of his fights going past the first round). At this point it's hard to tell really how impressive Carwin is as an all around fighter. We haven't seen much other than his brutal KO power.

I don't think Lesnar is half as talented as he is big, if he weren't so fucking massive, he would have only won against Heath Herring.

I agree.

2:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n5Hq6ofM8M

TheDeadWalk

04-01-2010, 10:55 PM

Great fights last night!

My heart really goes out to Kenny Florian. He is good enough to beat ANYBODY at 155 except for BJ Penn.

Roy Nelson crushed another opponent with that Liddell-esque overhand right. As I said before, he needs a tough test. I think it's too soon for big Nog, but another suggestion made by Yahoo! Sports was that Nelson should challenge fast-rising Todd Dunfee.

Mongo

04-02-2010, 12:55 AM

Nelson winning that easily was a little bit of a shock to me. I know all about his jujitsu and Shaolin Kung Fu. I'm just not convinced he can hang with the guys on the top of the weight class. I chuckled when he said he should be a title contender after that fight.

Mongo

04-07-2010, 10:40 PM

Did I miss it or did they not introduce Jake Shields as a coach? I'm not surpirised if they didn't because of him being a Strikeforce guy but damn.

TheDeadWalk

04-08-2010, 04:06 PM

I'll have to rewatch it to find out.

Just so everybody knows, the UFC Fight this weekend airs live at 1:00 pm EST. It's in the United Arab Emirates, so there's a bit of a time difference. You can still watch it at 10:00 pm EST, but it won't be live and you could risk having the show spoiled.

Mongo

04-10-2010, 04:24 PM

Very happy with the Penn fight.

shoe1985

04-10-2010, 10:05 PM

What a terrible PPV. The Grove-Munoz fight was good, everything else was blah. Penn-Edgar had its moments, but should have been better.

Even Dana White was not happy with the event, mainly the main event, where he left in round 4 because of nothing happening.

Donnie_Darko

04-11-2010, 04:16 AM

Worst dual main events I've ever seen. The Penn/Edgar fight was probably one of the worst fights I've ever seen... until the Silva/Maia fight. GUH! Such a great under card, destroyed by the biggest letdown title fights in ages. Had Penn won the decision, I would boycott the UFC forever. Penn did NOTHING, but toss a jab every 25 seconds, and defend most takedown attempts. The Silva fight... don't get me started on that circus. Dude was being a fucking clown, to the point of disgracing the sport.

THIS is why I haven't paid for a PPV since UFC 10. Kinda wish I had my 1.2gb and 2hrs back. :mad:

You truly get what you paid for. :p

Canto

04-11-2010, 06:27 AM

BJ Penn had to have had some sort of injury, he wasnt himself in that fight.

I guess Demian Maia is just fucking terrified of Anderson Silva, it was funny at first but then after the first two rounds I just wanted either of them to DO SOMETHING!

shoe1985

04-11-2010, 08:01 AM

THIS is why I haven't paid for a PPV since UFC 10. Kinda wish I had my 1.2gb and 2hrs back. :mad:

You truly get what you paid for. :p

You may be receiving a nice letter from the UFC lawyers soon. You are welcome. :)

Donnie_Darko

04-11-2010, 11:56 AM

You may be receiving a nice letter from the UFC lawyers soon. You are welcome. :)

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

If I was worried, I'd call you a dick, but since I'm not, you're just a fanboy bitch.

Like I already said, Dana should be giving refunds to the poor souls who paid for that disgrace of a PPV.

And in all fairness, that will be the last UFC PPV I ever watch. Free or not.

shoe1985

04-11-2010, 01:09 PM

Oh well, I sent your message to them. If you get a letter, it is your problem, not mine.

You are not entitled to anything. If you cannot afford every event, you go without.

Canto

04-11-2010, 08:21 PM

Dana White said he would somehow make it up to the people that paid for the PPV.

HurricanesR1

04-11-2010, 09:04 PM

Dana White said he would somehow make it up to the people that paid for the PPV.

Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin vs. Cain Velasquez TRIPLE THREAT MATCH on ESPN.

YEEEAAHHH!!!!!!! That's how you make it up to the fans!!!

lol

shoe1985

04-11-2010, 09:07 PM

Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin vs. Cain Velasquez TRIPLE THREAT MATCH on ESPN.

YEEEAAHHH!!!!!!!

That would be the craziest fight ever in the UFC.

I did not think Carwin was the real deal until he beat Mir, and I am now thinking he could beat Lesnar in their fight. Velasquez against either guy is interesting, but I do not feel he could beat either guy.

I say, make the GSP/Silvia fight be free. Anyone think GSP is going to take him down, and make him tap?

DunlopolnuD

04-12-2010, 02:54 AM

I had all the respect in the world for Maia before the fight, but after the fight even more so. Dude fought through a broken nose and an inflated eye, and got some clean punches in on Silva at the beginning of the 5th, even throwing punches from his knees. He never at any point gave up, and I think if he works on his stand-up from here on out, he has a great chance at a successful career in the UFC.

What I think is funny is that Silva was mocking him in the stand-up, even though Maia was standing with him, and definitely not running from him. But Silva wouldn't dare let that fight touch the ground, all this "I might have something up my sleeve" was horse shit. Basically what I'm saying is, I think Silva is a fucking coward.

Canto

04-12-2010, 04:57 PM

Maia didnt do shit for the first 4 rounds, he just stood there, then in the fifth after he was already fucked up when he had nothing to lose he started swinging.

TheDeadWalk

04-13-2010, 08:59 PM

Shocked and disappointed. The Hughes-Gracie match felt almost rigged. The Silva-Maia fight started off exciting and then went into five rounds of shit. As drunk as I was during the BJ-Frankie fight, all I remember was five rounds of two giant blurs circling the screen.

Canto

04-14-2010, 09:04 PM

Who should get the next shot at the lightweight title?
I say it should be either Kenny Florian, Gray Maynard or George Sotiroplous. and then have the other two fight to see who gets the next shot.

HurricanesR1

04-14-2010, 09:43 PM

Maynard should get the next shot imo. I think he should have been the one fighting Penn this past weekend ahead of Edgar anyway.

Maynard is undefeated and totally owned Edgar head-to-head so how did Edgar get a title shot before Maynard did?

Mongo

04-15-2010, 02:41 AM

Edgar getting the title fight was a surprise. But as surprising as Rogers getting a title shot this weekend. When are they going to have Fedor fight for it?

Canto

04-15-2010, 05:35 AM

Gray Maynard probably didnt get the shot because his fights are pretty boring and his last 6 went to decision.

EDIT: It looks like theyre going to do a rematch between BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar and Kenny Florian vs. Gray Maynard for #1 Contender [link] (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Edgar-Penn-Rematch-in-Works-for-Late-Summer-Fall-23856)

HurricanesR1

04-15-2010, 09:11 PM

Penn subs Edgar in the rematch and Maynard decisions Florian.

Canto

04-17-2010, 07:06 PM

No I think Florian will get a submission on Gray Maynard, probably a rear naked choke haha.

Mongo

04-18-2010, 12:24 AM

First off...Meyham is a joke...glad he got that beatdown..
Never been a big fan of Shields,but he was impressive to watch. Thought it was over after Hendo knocked him down in the second. Kind of funny the guy SF brings in to take him doesn't get the job done.

The other two fights were ok. I bet Aoki's ass is still on fire from all that scooting..geesh.

Read the Liddell and Franklin are headlining 115....why am I not excited about this fight?

MISFITS_Fiend

04-18-2010, 03:41 AM

First off...Meyham is a joke...glad he got that beatdown..

"Meyham" did nothing to deserve that. How many other times has someone come in the ring after a fight to challenge the champ? Just another example of the Diaz brothers being nothing but punk bitches. Not like Nate's pitty-pat punches would hurt anyone anyway...

Also, did Jake Shields learn his punching style from Nate? Cuz those were the weakest punches from the mount I've ever seen. He dominated Hendo, but there was no instance in this fight where Dan was in danger of being finished.

All in all, weak night of fights. Gegard's takedown defense sucks, Aoki was completely ineffectual, and the most exciting thing about the Shields/Hendo fight was the brawl after it was finished.

Mongo

04-18-2010, 04:37 AM

Miller was mad he didn't get the airtime he wanted. He jumped up in Jakes face and wimpered about a rematch he doesn't deserve. Diaz and company did overreact. Hell,they didn't even hurt the moron.He walked out smiling like an idiot. Didn't Hendo's crew get some shots in there? I believe they did. It was a poor show. Shields is probably on his way out of SF and I really don't see him doing much in UFC.

Canto

04-18-2010, 05:41 AM

the Strikeforce show was lame, man I hope Nate Diaz doesnt get in trouble in the UFC for the brawl at the end.

but seriously they did overreact, the only thing Miller said was "when do i get my rematch?" then some guy started trying to push him away then Jake Shields pushed him he pushed back and then like 6 guys started attacking 1 guy.

shoe1985

04-18-2010, 10:16 AM

After last week's terrible UFC PPV, this actually seemed like a good event. Was it great? Not by a long shot, but after the bad taste in my mouth from last week, I was happy to get fighting.

The end of the SF event was interesting, I will give it that. I am not a fan of Miller's, and he should not have been out there. But, did they really need to attack him? Security should have came in, and escorted him out.

Melendez destroyed the guy he fought.

King Mo really did not look good, but did enough to win. Did Gegard even try?

I thought Shields was done in the first round, not sure what happened to Hendo.

Someone mentioned the Liddell and Ortiz fight is off. This is true. They say to watch this season's Ultimate Fighter to find out why.

Mongo

04-18-2010, 03:43 PM

I was wondering why the Liddell/Franklin fight was headlining 115. I'd not heard about the Ortiz fight being put off. Perhaps Tito thought Chuck was a pound to heavy. I'm not blaming Tito for it being called off,just a little shocked.

Canto

04-18-2010, 06:11 PM

Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin is a much more interesting fight than Tito/Chuck 3, Chuck already beat him twice when they were in their prime, he has nothing to prove to Tito. He has never fought Rich Franklin before and it could be a great fight like they each had with Wanderlei.

Canto

04-27-2010, 12:45 AM

Wow April has been a bad month for MMA

First the whole Anderson Silva thing, then the Strikeforce brawl and now Tito Ortiz gets arrested for beating up the mother of his children.

Mopar Fanatic

04-29-2010, 09:34 PM

Tito Ortiz gets arrested for beating up the mother of his children.

He found out about her former porn career...

Canto

04-29-2010, 09:59 PM

He found out about her former porn career...

Haha me and my brother actually made that joke

Mopar Fanatic

05-02-2010, 01:06 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf4QJc6aXrU
Kurt Angle to make a jump to MMA. He means it this time.

Mopar Fanatic

05-05-2010, 01:46 AM

Fedor/Werdum June 26th

Source: http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2010/05/04/fedor-vs-werdum-official-for-strikeforce-on-june-26/

Mopar Fanatic

05-07-2010, 08:29 PM

http://imgur.com/vCsvj.jpg

Main Card
Lyoto Machida -185 vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua +155
Josh Koscheck -230 vs. Paul "Semtex" Daley +180
Kimbo Slice -115 vs. Matt Mitrione -115
Sam Stout -200 vs. Jeremy Stephens +160
Patrick Cote -105 vs. Alan Belcher -125

Prelims
Joe Doerksen +400 vs. Tom Lawlor -600
Marcus Davis -600 vs. Jonathan Goulet +400
TJ Grant +350 vs. Johnny Hendricks -500
Tim Hague -260 vs. Joey Beltran +200
Yoshiyuki Yoshida -300 vs. Mike Guymon* +130

DunlopolnuD

05-08-2010, 08:00 AM

If I had money, it'd be on...

The Dragon
Koscheck
K-Ferg
Stephens
Belcher

And on the prelims I think the only upset could come in the form of the Joker.

DunlopolnuD

05-09-2010, 01:15 AM

Mopar Fanatic

05-09-2010, 02:09 AM

Glad I didn't have money...

... I am at a loss for words, can't believe what happened to Machida.

Oh, and if you ask me, Daley needs to be removed from the UFC immediately... cheap-shotting little bitch. I hate Koscheck because he seems like a giant asshole, but I gained some respect for him when he didn't even acknowledge the question in the post-fight interview, smart move. Though, maybe not so smart of a move pissing off the Canadians in front of GSP, haha.

Actually surprised Koscheck even made it out of the building after the comments he made.

One thing is for sure, and that is that it sucks to be Machida right now. Shogun literally broke his face. That eye swelled up in a matter of minutes, just think of how bad it will be by tomorrow.

http://i39.tinypic.com/20trl3p.jpg

BankaiZaraki

05-09-2010, 02:14 AM

I've always liked Josh Koscheck for his antics but tonight was a new high for him. He pretty much locked up a Best Actor nomination for "overselling" a fake knee but for also dissing the hell out of the Montreal crowd. Koscheck *bow bow bow* And as for Paul Daley..I would've done the same thing if I were him. Oh well, I guess he'll just have to go to WEC or something.

Canto

05-09-2010, 04:15 AM

Wow, I couldnt believe Lyoto Machida got knocked out cold.

Dana White said Paul Daley will never fight in the UFC again, im sure that would include the WEC. Back to Strikeforce most likely. Ive never liked Paul Daley and that was a bullshit move he pulled, plus he wouldve made a terrible coach on the Ultimate Fighter.

Mopar Fanatic

05-13-2010, 12:26 AM

Strikeforce: Heavy Artillery
Saturday, May 15, 2010
St. Louis, MO
Live on Showtime

Televised card:
Alistair Overeem vs. Brett Rogers (HW title)
Andrei Arlovski vs. Antonio Silva
Jacare vs. Joey Villaseñor
Kevin Randleman vs. Roger Gracie
Rafael Cavalcante vs. Antwain Britt

Prelims:
Vitor "Shaolin" Riberio vs. Lyle Beerbohm
Kid Yamamoto vs. Federico Lopez
various nobodies

Canto

05-13-2010, 12:33 AM

Brett Rogers getting the title shot before Fedor makes NO sense.

Mopar Fanatic

05-13-2010, 01:36 AM

Brett Rogers getting the title shot before Fedor makes NO sense.

Strikeforce has exactly one 1 marketable fight left, and that's Fedor-Overeem. It makes every bit of sense to delay that until a CBS card, and give Overeem a hype fight first to put him over with casual fans.

After that, I can't imagine what the hell they're gonna do.

Mongo

05-13-2010, 02:56 AM

The only reason I can think of for Fedor not getting the title shot is that he turned it down. He has four fights left on his contract,not sure if that has anything to do with him not getting or wanting it.

Canto

05-13-2010, 05:29 AM

Strikeforce has exactly one 1 marketable fight left, and that's Fedor-Overeem. It makes every bit of sense to delay that until a CBS card, and give Overeem a hype fight first to put him over with casual fans.

After that, I can't imagine what the hell they're gonna do.

If Brett Rogers beats Overeem though, then what? A rematch between Fedor and Rogers for the title, with the guy that lost the first fight as the champion?

Mopar Fanatic

05-13-2010, 11:22 PM

If Brett Rogers beats Overeem though, then what? A rematch between Fedor and Rogers for the title, with the guy that lost the first fight as the champion?

Yes.

Mopar Fanatic

05-13-2010, 11:25 PM

Poor fatty

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2010/05/10/roy-nelson-expected-to-fight-junior-dos-santos-not-frank-mir-at-ufc-117/

DunlopolnuD

05-15-2010, 08:42 AM

If Brett Rogers beats Overeem though, then what? A rematch between Fedor and Rogers for the title, with the guy that lost the first fight as the champion?

It's a lot like Lesnar and Mir. It's eerie how similar the situations are, especially with Overeem and Couture, and their lack of title defenses or even fighting for their organizations.

Mongo

05-16-2010, 05:45 AM

Rogers getting that shot was a joke. Less than four minutes to prove it.

Mopar Fanatic

05-25-2010, 12:05 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Ufc114-poster-2_medium.jpg

Main card
Light Heavyweight bout: Quinton Jackson vs. Rashad Evans
Middleweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png Michael Bisping vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Dan Miller
Heavyweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Todd Duffee vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Mike Russow
Light Heavyweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Brazil.svg/22px-Flag_of_Brazil.svg.png Antônio Rogério Nogueira vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Jason Brilz
Welterweight bout: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Flag_of_the_United_States.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png Diego Sanchez vs. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/be/Flag_of_England.svg/22px-Flag_of_England.svg.png John Hathaway

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Welterweight bout: Amir Sadollah vs. Dong Hyun Kim
Lightweight bout: Efrain Escudero vs. Dan Lauzon

Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Melvin Guillard vs. Waylon Lowe
Light Heavyweight bout: Luiz Arthur Cane vs. Cyrille Diabaté
Lightweight bout: Aaron Riley vs. Joe Brammer
Middleweight bout: Jesse Forbes vs. Ryan Jensen

DunlopolnuD

05-26-2010, 06:23 AM

Quinton
Miller
Duffee
Noguiera
Sanchez

Canto

05-26-2010, 07:57 PM

I like Rampage more, but I want Rashad to win because we havent seen Shogun/Rashad yet, and that would also allow for a Lyoto/Rampage fight. Im a fan of Amir Sadollah, I hope he continues to win.

Mopar Fanatic

05-27-2010, 02:07 AM

Going with Page. Rashad is actually quicker, and a better athlete. I also think his striking is crisper. Rashad is probably a better wrestler too. I think Rampage has more power, a better chin, and way more heart. Rampage by late KO.

Mongo

06-07-2010, 09:59 AM

Can Chuck really be a contender? I wouldn't even rank him in the top 10 in his weightclass.

Mongo

06-10-2010, 05:26 AM

McGee v McCray....should be an ok fight. My moneys on McGee.
No one on the show really impressed me this season. Think most of these guys were to busy playing pranks on each other and talkin shit.

I really hope Franklin knocks Chuck out.

shoe1985

06-20-2010, 07:26 AM

McGee deserved to win for his story. McCray is a guy who never impressed me that much.

I was glad to see Yager lose, and probably be out of the UFC.

Reading the undercard results, since they did not air except for one match, reading that Josh Bryant lost was shocking. He was coming into his own, but you could see a lot of weaknesses.

I never saw anything in Chris Hammertree, and was shocked he was even on the card.

Canto

06-20-2010, 09:34 PM

Yea Im glad Court McGee won. I hope Clayton McKinney gets another shot in the UFC because he looked really good in the qualifying match, but he didnt get to do anything because of his injury.

Mopar Fanatic

06-27-2010, 12:31 AM

God is dead

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t169/Inspectorchao/ept_sports_mma_experts-812937213-12.jpg

Mopar Fanatic

06-27-2010, 12:43 AM

That was a nasty triangle. Fucking long-legged Brazilian.

Mongo

06-27-2010, 02:17 AM

I'll be the first to admit it...never did i think Fedor would lose,let alone tap! I thought this fight was nothing but a warm up for his next fight which would be a title shot. Im in shock.

Mopar Fanatic

06-27-2010, 02:31 AM

I'll be the first to admit it...never did i think Fedor would lose,let alone tap! I thought this fight was nothing but a warm up for his next fight which would be a title shot. Im in shock.

I think you speak on behalf of 99% of the whole mma world when you say you never saw it coming.

I'm in shock as well, just at a loss of words really...

All I can think is that he'll bounce back in a rematch. 10 years undefeated what a good fucking run he had.

Mongo

06-27-2010, 04:26 AM

I think you speak on behalf of 99% of the whole mma world when you say you never saw it coming.

I'm in shock as well, just at a loss of words really...

All I can think is that he'll bounce back in a rematch. 10 years undefeated what a good fucking run he had.

I'm not sure if it was just a fluke,ie Penn/Edgar,or if Werdum is that good. Looking at Werdums record he has some great wins,so probably not a fluke lol. I'm sure Fedor will have another run. He's only 33.

I watched Pride 25 earlier last night and Nogueira had him in that same hold and as he always does,Fedor got out of it and continued to pound Antonios face into hamburger meat.

Mopar Fanatic

06-27-2010, 02:23 PM

I'm not sure if it was just a fluke,ie Penn/Edgar,or if Werdum is that good. Looking at Werdums record he has some great wins,so probably not a fluke lol. I'm sure Fedor will have another run. He's only 33.

I watched Pride 25 earlier last night and Nogueira had him in that same hold and as he always does,Fedor got out of it and continued to pound Antonios face into hamburger meat.

I would say it's the biggest upset because Fedor felt unbeatable and not only did he lose, but it was round one, and he tapped.

and yes Werdum's subs are nowhere near the battles he's had with Nog.

GSP was shocking, but he was never Fedor. Randleman ko-ing Cro Cop is close because it was also the unthinkable. Those I would call flukes, Werdum was a more credible threat than Serra or Randleman were.

It's more about the magnitude of Fedor before the fight. There was nobody like him.

If it were a knock out or a fluke it'd be different, but Fedor had no answer out of that triangle. Fedor definitely left himself exposed, but let's not pretend like having a two time ADCC/BJJ world champ latched onto a picture-perfect triangle is everyday stuff.

Canto

06-27-2010, 03:35 PM

Fedor was not being smart at all, he should have let him stand back up or been more cautious when jumping on top of him.

KingofKings2525

06-27-2010, 03:40 PM

Haha! Fedor tapped in round 1. What a loser. Lesner or Carwin would kill him in the octagon.

Once again I'm correct. I've been saying for years on this board how over rated he is.

Canto

06-27-2010, 05:34 PM

Once again I'm correct. I've been saying for years on this board how over rated he is.

He lost ONCE...in his whole career. How does that make him overrated?

Lesnar also tapped in round 1.

Mongo

06-27-2010, 08:40 PM

Besides Mir and Gonzaga,Carwin has fought no one.He's good,don't get me wrong. But let's see how good he is after 30 fights. Fedor overrated?? Lmfao. Everyone says Fedor isn't shit until he fights in the UFC. That's total bullshit.
The man owned Pride and Rings. Anyone can beat anyone on any given day.

As for Werdum. The man has an impressive record. He could own UFC.

KingofKings2525

06-27-2010, 11:35 PM

He lost ONCE...in his whole career. How does that make him overrated?

Lesnar also tapped in round 1.

Very true. But nobody in the media nor MMA itself has every appointed him the best in his weight class. Fedor was given this title after fighting NOBODY. Hell, he dodged UFC last year because he knew he wouldn't hack it.

shoe1985

06-27-2010, 11:52 PM

Very true. But nobody in the media nor MMA itself has every appointed him the best in his weight class. Fedor was given this title after fighting NOBODY. Hell, he dodged UFC last year because he knew he wouldn't hack it.

Watch some of his fights against "nobodies." The guy was incredible. He has gotten older, and his body has been punished, so, his time is probably about up. You can only be on top for so long. Would he last with Carwin or Lesnar? Doubtful. But, in his younger days, he would destroy both.

But, one good punch, or bad move into a submission, can end any fight.

Mongo

06-28-2010, 12:04 AM

Fedor wouldn't hack it in UFC? Lol

Nobody in MMA has ranked him number one in his class? Sherdog has him there.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

find a fighter with a better record and with bigger names. It's possible,but it's a very short list. He's only 33. Same age as most of UFC guys.

Dana is turning that thing into the WWE.

Mopar Fanatic

06-28-2010, 03:36 AM

Watch some of his fights against "nobodies." The guy was incredible. He has gotten older, and his body has been punished, so, his time is probably about up. You can only be on top for so long. Would he last with Carwin or Lesnar? Doubtful. But, in his younger days, he would destroy both.

But, one good punch, or bad move into a submission, can end any fight.

He made a mistake and got caught, that doesn't necessarily mean he's washed up and exposed and was never that good and etc etc. It doesn't even necessarily reflect on his chances against the UFC heavies, since none of them present the same stylistic threat as Werdum. I'll concede the issue if he looks bad for another fight or two.

I feel pretty much the same about his chances against Brock/Carwin/JDS/Cain now as I did when the Fedor-in-UFC rumors first started flying. I'd take him as a favorite against any of those guys, but by no means do I think him winning is a foregone conclusion. He really hasn't faced a lot of huge wrestlers of that caliber, particularly in a cage. But Fedor is still Fedor; last night didn't make me think differently.

Mongo

06-28-2010, 04:53 AM

So..Lesnar/Carwin...

I'm gonna go with Carwin. I'm not sure Lesnar will be 100%. Carwins' BJJ will make all the difference.

Canto

06-28-2010, 07:10 AM

Very true. But nobody in the media nor MMA itself has every appointed him the best in his weight class. Fedor was given this title after fighting NOBODY. Hell, he dodged UFC last year because he knew he wouldn't hack it.

Fedor beat Noguiera in his prime twice, he beat Cro Cop in his prime, he beat Andrei Arlovski, he beat Tim Sylvia, thats 3 former UFC champions, plus 28 other guys and most of them are pretty big names.

Mongo

06-28-2010, 09:13 AM

Watched the Werdum/Fedor fight. No fluke there. Fedor does that same move in every fight and Werdum got him good. Probably was just a matter of time,but damn. And you know Fedor will not change the way he goes after them on takedown.

shoe1985

06-28-2010, 09:39 AM

He made a mistake and got caught, that doesn't necessarily mean he's washed up and exposed and was never that good and etc etc. It doesn't even necessarily reflect on his chances against the UFC heavies, since none of them present the same stylistic threat as Werdum. I'll concede the issue if he looks bad for another fight or two.

I feel pretty much the same about his chances against Brock/Carwin/JDS/Cain now as I did when the Fedor-in-UFC rumors first started flying. I'd take him as a favorite against any of those guys, but by no means do I think him winning is a foregone conclusion. He really hasn't faced a lot of huge wrestlers of that caliber, particularly in a cage. But Fedor is still Fedor; last night didn't make me think differently.

His fight against Rogers was not one of his best performances. Rogers is way overrated, in my opinion, and he came close to beating Fedor. I don't know how Lesnar will look after his health issues, hopefully great, but I feel he would destroy Fedor, at least in this time. If this was say 5 years ago, Fedor would probably destroy all the UFC guys.

Darth Kenshin

06-28-2010, 09:53 AM

As for Werdum. The man has an impressive record. He could own UFC.

Yeah, I'm no MMA expert, but from what I could tell and from what I've read, Werdum is actually pretty freakin good. We're focusing on the fact that Fedor lost (for good reason... monumental upset) but we should give credit where credit is due. Got one opening and made it count.

DunlopolnuD

06-28-2010, 07:39 PM

Fedor didn't tap! He pounded Werdum's leg! Didn't anyone see Fedor's head powering up?!

Brando @$$ Fat

06-28-2010, 07:47 PM

Fedor lost. It happens. He still has a record that would strike envy in the hearts of even the most advanced fighters. This is a huge upset, make no mistake about it, but in a sport this competitive, it's really nothing new.

Mopar Fanatic

06-28-2010, 08:01 PM

And you know Fedor will not change the way he goes after them on takedown.

Exactly.

Fedor had no business following Werdum to the floor, when he could likely obliterate him standing, and Werdum's best chance to win by far is on the ground. The problem is, Fedor's been fighting that way his entire career and I dont' know if you can at this point tell him not to follow someone to the ground.

As for Werdum. The man has an impressive record. He could own UFC.

It's a strong possibility, Werdum probably has the best BJJ of any heavy in the mma world.

Carwins' BJJ will make all the difference.

Carwin by triangle? lol

Mopar Fanatic

06-30-2010, 01:17 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Ufc116-poster_medium.jpg

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin
Middleweight bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Chris Leben vbookie (http://www.upstandingfuckingcitizens.com/showthread.php?t=45664)
Welterweight bout: Chris Lytle vs. Matt Brown
Light Heavyweight bout: Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Stephan Bonnar vbookie (http://www.upstandingfuckingcitizens.com/showthread.php?t=45668)
Lightweight bout: George Sotiropoulos vs. Kurt Pellegrino vbookie (http://www.upstandingfuckingcitizens.com/showthread.php?t=45666)

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Chris Tuchscherer
Light Heavyweight bout: Seth Petruzelli vs. Ricardo Romero

Preliminary card
Middleweight bout: Kendall Grove vs. Goran Reljic
Middleweight bout: Gerald Harris vs. Dave Branch
Welterweight bout: Daniel Roberts vs. Forrest Petz
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Karlos Vemola

Mopar Fanatic

06-30-2010, 01:30 AM

Lesnar gets a takedown or two, can't finish and then gets taken out the first time Carwin lands a combo late in the first.

Carwin is going to put him to sleep.

KingofKings2525

06-30-2010, 01:38 AM

KingofKings2525

06-30-2010, 01:47 AM

Main card
Heavyweight Championship bout: Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin : Lesnar wins by ground and pound stoppage.
Middleweight bout: Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Chris Leben
Welterweight bout: Chris Lytle vs. Matt Brown
Light Heavyweight bout: Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Stephan Bonnar
Lightweight bout: George Sotiropoulos vs. Kurt Pellegrino

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Heavyweight bout: Brendan Schaub vs. Chris Tuchscherer
Light Heavyweight bout: Seth Petruzelli vs. Ricardo Romero

Preliminary card
Middleweight bout: Kendall Grove vs. Goran Reljic
Middleweight bout: Gerald Harris vs. Dave Branch
Welterweight bout: Daniel Roberts vs. Forrest Petz
Heavyweight bout: Jon Madsen vs. Karlos Vemola

If Lesnar and Carwin go longer than 1 round you can gurantee Dana White will call for a rematch.

I just don't see how Carwin is going to stop Lesnar's explosiveness and takedowns.

Mopar Fanatic

06-30-2010, 02:24 AM

Didn't you create a post asking to be deleted because you didn't want to post anymore? Go away.

Oh, and Fedor sucks.

I don't really respond to ignorant trolls, but I can only turn down an autograph request so many times before it just becomes bad manners.

Ya I did ask to have my account deleted. My request wasn't fulfilled, so I'm still here, get over it or fuck off.

Like I've said in the past you know little to nothing about mma and it shows in your post.

If you want to discuss this any further pm me

Mongo

07-03-2010, 01:25 PM

So,who's on everyones top 5,or 10 greatest mma fighters! I was curious and thought I'd try to make a list of the ten greatest,but damn...it's more difficult than I thought.

1. Fedor
2. Bas Rutten
3. Royce Gracie
4. Ken Shamrock
5. Masakatsu Funaki

That's just a rough draft...need to work on my list from 4-10, might try a top 20 list.

Here's a list I'm working from. There are some I will need to add. Ones I won't will be Lesnar,Tito,Mir,Carwin (those are just the ones off the top of my head)....

Fedor
Royce
Bas
Ken
Frank
Funaki
Crocop
Noguiera
Henderson
Spider
Liddell
Couture
Rampage*
Evans*
Wanderlei
Overeem*
Tanner*
Aleksandr Emelianenko*
Barnett
Hughes*
Penn
GSP

Mongo

07-03-2010, 04:18 PM

Poor fatty

http://www.mmaconvert.com/2010/05/10/roy-nelson-expected-to-fight-junior-dos-santos-not-frank-mir-at-ufc-117/

Can't wait. Won't be able to watch it (work),but I'm more excited about this fight than the main event.

Let's see..Spider jumps around,Hughes by submission......really the most interesting fight on the card is Nelsons.

Mopar Fanatic

07-03-2010, 04:35 PM

So,who's on everyones top 5,or 10 greatest mma fighters! I was curious and thought I'd try to make a list of the ten greatest,but damn...it's more difficult than I thought.

As of right now and doing this off the top of my head without much thought...

1) Fedor --- Best ever
2) Matt Hughes
3) Anderson Silva
4) BJ Penn
5) Chuck
6) Wanderlei
7) Shogun
8) Mark Kerr --- I know maybe a little controversial, but at one time was simply unstoppable. Prime Kerr was a force.
9) Sakuraba
10) Big Nog
11) Marco Ruas
12) Frank Shamrock

JDS/Cigano is a damn intriguing fighter. Young, fast and very talented. With that said, he can go straight to the top. I have him as a very bad match up for any top heavyweight as of now. He could easily make my list with in a few more fights. Velasquez and cigano needs to happen.

Mopar Fanatic

07-03-2010, 04:41 PM

Can't wait. Won't be able to watch it (work),but I'm more excited about this fight than the main event.

Let's see..Spider jumps around,Hughes by submission......really the most interesting fight on the card is Nelsons.

Nelson is going to get facefucked with Santos fist.

Mongo

07-03-2010, 06:05 PM

Nelson is going to get facefucked with Santos fist.

Probably.. Will still be iteresting to watch.

Mongo

07-03-2010, 06:50 PM

Id love to see a Shogun/Ninja fight

Mopar Fanatic

07-04-2010, 12:24 AM

Awesome fight.

Carwins cardio needs some serious fucking work. Don't like Brock, but he did survive that storm of punches and has earned my respect with this fight.

DunlopolnuD

07-04-2010, 12:30 AM

That was an awesome fight... I'm just glad Mazagatti wasn't there to stop it early. Lesnar took those hits like a fucking champ, and though I also have a new respect for him, I do think Velasquez is big enough to keep it competitive and skilled enough to submit him (and yes, I do know that Velasquez hasn't submitted anyone in any of his pro fights :)).

Mopar Fanatic

07-04-2010, 01:03 AM

Lesnar was in some serious trouble. That fight came damn close to being stopped.

Carwin relied too much on his heavy hands, his game plan turned around and fucked him.

Pillow fist Velasquez isn't getting out of rd 1 with Lesnar.

jackson13

07-04-2010, 01:05 AM

I do think Velasquez is big enough to keep it competitive and skilled enough to submit him

No. Brock will murder Cain. Brock proved tonight that the only way to get him to lose is to get him to submit, like the first time Mir fought him. Brock took some ROUGH shots from Carwin and still just laid there. I am so glad we didn't have one of those pussy refs who stops every fight any time one guy mounts the other after knocking him down. Everyone was so amped up over Carwin and how he had never been out of the first round, and sure enough it bit him right in the ass. Brock took him down and got him in a head lock and slowly just kept tightening it and tightening it.

I really don't think there is anyone who can stop Brock. At least not for awhile. Maybe all of the haters will finally come around on him now.

Mopar Fanatic

07-04-2010, 01:16 AM

I really don't think there is anyone who can stop Brock. At least not for awhile.

I think at this point the only heavy in UFC that would present any kind of challenge to Lesnar is Cigano.

Mopar Fanatic

07-04-2010, 01:39 AM

edit

Mongo

07-04-2010, 02:14 AM

Mopar Fanatic

07-04-2010, 02:29 AM

Didn't watch the fight,so can't really say much about it. I really thought Carwin would take him. The win obviously gives Lesnar alot more credibility. Let's hope for Mopars sake we get a Lesnar/Nelson match ;)

hahah lets hope

I only posted the flurry of punches that collapsed Lesnar. Shouldn't be too much of a spoiler.

I still think Dana fucked up by not doing Velasquez/Dos Santos as the co-main event.

Some fights we get to look foward to in the future guys: Lesnar beating the fucking shit out of Cain

and Dos Santos beating the fucking shit out of Nelson

Canto

07-04-2010, 06:07 PM

Carwin shouldve let Brock stand back up before he gassed himself out and just worked him standing up because Brock has no boxing skills.

If anyone can keep the fight standing up against Brock, hes done. Cain has just as good a chance as Junior.

KingofKings2525

07-05-2010, 12:15 AM

Lesnar is the baddest man on the planet. Carwin was gassed and Lesnar submitted him. Textbook.

They should do a rematch. There is currently nobody better than Carwin to put up against Lesnar.

Oh yeah... Fedor loses and Lesnar wins. I still have no doubt he would kill fedor in the ring.

MistAh BlistAh

07-05-2010, 12:33 AM

I like Fedor but he's faced no-names, hate to sound like Dana but it's true. He's one of the best but will never be the best until he actually steps in to the octagon...Here's to hopin (finger's crossed).

Lesnar surprised me, if it were any other fighter it would have been called, but he is Brock Lesnar AND the Champion...Nice comeback, determined in the 2nd.

Leben seriously impressed me the most though. LOVE watchin his fights win or lose, but never really been a fan. But now I can say I am, the whole American Zombie bit was nuts, he's a pyscho, much deserved win. I think he's about one fight away from a number one contender fight...Give him W.Silva and then Bisping and if he wins both, definetly give him a shot...lookin forward to what's next...

G.Harris' win was nutz, too bad the rest of the fight was crazy lackluster. Other fights were pretty good though. Overall the final results were quite impressive....

Mongo

07-05-2010, 07:44 AM

That's a strange list of nobodies Fedor has beaten....

Big Nog - 2 wins And 1 nc
Coleman - 2 wins
Tim Sylvia
Arlovski
Herring
Randleman
CroCop

Cop No. 633

07-05-2010, 08:28 AM

That's a strange list of nobodies Fedor has beaten....

Big Nog - 2 wins And 1 nc
Coleman - 2 wins
Tim Sylvia
Arlovski
Herring
Randleman
CroCop

QFT.

Getting suplexed on your head and managing to not get knocked unconscious and actually win the fight means nothing at all. Everybody has a gold fish's memory these days. If you lose one fight and you were on a streak, it means you're a phony of some kind. The other wins don't matter because you cheated somehow. Fedor was too fat. He used his fat to his advantage against Arlovski. He's a cheat. Carwin simply got lucky 12 times. He got lucky his fist landed on Brock's face and kicked his ass for a whole round that most likely would have been stopped if it was any other fighter. I only say this because refs can often stop fights very quickly when somebody gets ground and pound.

I have respect for Lesnar, but you can't say that was a flawless victory. He outlasted Carwin, but didn't dominate him. Fedor's never been beaten that bad in his entire career (I mean physically). They both lost to a submission, so I can't fathom how anybody could compare them. Learn how to talk shit about a fighter before you nitpick his whole career just because you've only seen a few highlights on youtube. People act like Pride wasn't as good as UFC during the time it was around. Here's a secret, it was just as good, if not better at times.

Where do you think Shogun honed his skills? He knocked out the golden boy of the UFC. It's all fighting. Just because the name isn't UFC doesn't make it inferior. Maybe the way they program it, but not the fighters. Nick Diaz has been delivering some of the best fights the past two years. He's gotten better and better, but since it's not UFC, he's a "joke."

I think overall, we should give respect to most of these fighters. They give it their all. Chris Leben gave the fight of his career last night. I'm happy he won. Brock Lesnar got beaten physically, but he finally used his head and won a fight without simply using his size advantage to pound on a guy's face. I'm glad. I still don't like him as a person, but he's improved as a fighter. And he's not boring to watch like Matt Hughes. God, are his fights boring. You can never say the same about Fedor. Never had a boring match in his career.

MistAh BlistAh

07-05-2010, 12:52 PM

That's a strange list of nobodies Fedor has beaten....

Big Nog - 2 wins And 1 nc
Coleman - 2 wins
Tim Sylvia
Arlovski
Herring
Randleman
CroCop

I was more referring to recent memory (maybe it's the goldfish in me), should have made myself clearer...

And even then, I wouldn't list Arlovski or Sylvia as they were WAY past their prime when they were defeated by Fedor.

Hell, Brett Rogers gave him a run for his money. Then he gets tapped out in his next and most recent fight in the first round?!?!

Now he'll have to accept less from the UFC when he was holding all the chips before. And even though he hates the organization, if he really wants to be considered the best, he's gunna have to man up and beat the best there. But that's just my opinion and where I stand on the whole Fedor being the G.O.A.T. issue.

Mongo

07-05-2010, 01:43 PM

Fedor doesn't need to fight in th UFC to prove anything.
Carwin gave Brock a run for his money,so Fedor getting rocked by Rogers means nothing.Besides Mir,Gonzaga and Brock..Carwin has fought no one. I'm not even going to start talking about past their prime fighters. Strikeforce has a group of heavyweights that are just as good as UFC.

Mopar Fanatic

07-05-2010, 06:46 PM

QFT.

Getting suplexed on your head and managing to not get knocked unconscious and actually win the fight means nothing at all. Everybody has a gold fish's memory these days. If you lose one fight and you were on a streak, it means you're a phony of some kind. The other wins don't matter because you cheated somehow. Fedor was too fat. He used his fat to his advantage against Arlovski. He's a cheat. Carwin simply got lucky 12 times. He got lucky his fist landed on Brock's face and kicked his ass for a whole round that most likely would have been stopped if it was any other fighter. I only say this because refs can often stop fights very quickly when somebody gets ground and pound.

I have respect for Lesnar, but you can't say that was a flawless victory. He outlasted Carwin, but didn't dominate him. Fedor's never been beaten that bad in his entire career (I mean physically). They both lost to a submission, so I can't fathom how anybody could compare them. Learn how to talk shit about a fighter before you nitpick his whole career just because you've only seen a few highlights on youtube. People act like Pride wasn't as good as UFC during the time it was around. Here's a secret, it was just as good, if not better at times.

Where do you think Shogun honed his skills? He knocked out the golden boy of the UFC. It's all fighting. Just because the name isn't UFC doesn't make it inferior. Maybe the way they program it, but not the fighters. Nick Diaz has been delivering some of the best fights the past two years. He's gotten better and better, but since it's not UFC, he's a "joke."

I think overall, we should give respect to most of these fighters. They give it their all. Chris Leben gave the fight of his career last night. I'm happy he won. Brock Lesnar got beaten physically, but he finally used his head and won a fight without simply using his size advantage to pound on a guy's face. I'm glad. I still don't like him as a person, but he's improved as a fighter. And he's not boring to watch like Matt Hughes. God, are his fights boring. You can never say the same about Fedor. Never had a boring match in his career.

I agree with this.

Carwin's cardio can be always remedied for their rematch. He definitely gassed out and I give all the credit in the world to Brock to hang in and take that hellacious pounding and answer the bell for round 2. Carwin stuffed 3 out of the 4 takedowns. He got taken down when he gassed, every other time he stuffed it. Carwin can fix his cardio, Brock can't fix the fact that Shane hits too hard for him to handle. There will be a rematch.

Canto

07-07-2010, 08:04 PM

Lesnar is the baddest man on the planet. Carwin was gassed and Lesnar submitted him. Textbook.

He did almost the same thing that Mir did to him, he got his face bashed in for a round then submitted the guy. It sucks that Carwin gassed out and I give Lesnar credit for still having energy after that but I wouldnt call him the baddest man on the planet, he didnt kick Carwins ass or anything, I dont even think he landed a punch.

Mopar Fanatic

07-27-2010, 08:04 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ac/Ufconversus2posternew.jpg/411px-Ufconversus2posternew.jpg

Main card
Light Heavyweight bout: Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
Middleweight bout: Mark Muñoz vs. Yushin Okami
Welterweight bout: John Howard vs. Jake Ellenberger
Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Takanori Gomi

Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann
Welterweight bout: DaMarques Johnson vs. Matthew Riddle
Light Heavyweight bout: James Irvin vs. Igor Pokrajac
Middleweight bout: Brian Stann vs. Mike Massenzio
Lightweight bout: Darren Elkins vs. Charles Oliveira
Middleweight bout: Rob Kimmons vs. Steve Steinbeiss

MistAh BlistAh

08-01-2010, 01:14 PM

Main card
Light Heavyweight bout: Jon Jones vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
Middleweight bout: Mark Muñoz vs. Yushin Okami
Welterweight bout: John Howard vs. Jake Ellenberger
Lightweight bout: Tyson Griffin vs. Takanori Gomi

Preliminary card
Lightweight bout: Paul Kelly vs. Jacob Volkmann
Welterweight bout: DaMarques Johnson(If he makes weight) vs. Matthew Riddle
Light Heavyweight bout: James Irvin vs. Igor Pokrajac

Mopar Fanatic

08-05-2010, 04:40 AM

http://www.fightlinker.com/pics/ufc117poster.jpg

Main card
Middleweight Championship bout:Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen
Welterweight bout: Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
Lightweight bout: Clay Guida vs. Rafael dos Anjos
Welterweight bout: Matt Hughes vs. Ricardo Almeida
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Junior dos Santos

Preliminary card
Welterweight bout: Dustin Hazelett vs. Rick Story
Light Heavyweight bout: Phil Davis vs. Rodney Wallace
Light Heavyweight bout: Tim Boetsch vs. Todd Brown
Welterweight bout: Johny Hendricks vs. Charlie Brenneman
Heavyweight bout: Stefan Struve vs. Christian Morecraft
Welterweight bout: Ben Saunders vs. Dennis Hallman

Countdown(part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkfO8POYnbc&feature=channel

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSaxDond-cw&feature=channel

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZwqWLaNj00&feature=channel

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOFILxw1f5M&feature=channel

Frank the Tank

08-08-2010, 01:05 AM

Silva/Sonnen was an awesome fight. Very exciting.

Both guys annoy me at times. Silva with acting like a douche during various fights, Sonnen with his cheesy pro wrestling heel/bad guy rip off interviews. Those interviews did sell me on the fight and I actually wanted Silva to destroy him in round one.

The fight was way different than I was expecting. Sonnen just destroyed Anderson for the first four and a half rounds, backing up all of his trash talk and owning one of the best fighters in the world. Silva then gets a surprise triangle and Sonnen taps out. Silva proves that he is still dangerous even when taking a major asskicking and showed more heart than he ever has during his time in UFC and Sonnen proves that he is a great wrestler and a dangerous fighter. Both guys come out looking great and hopefully Silva learns a lesson and never takes a fighter lightly again and doesn't show off during his fights ever again.

The rib injury excuse keeps Anderson in the lead as the bigger douche. Anderson Silva, you got demolished for almost the whole fight and lucked out with Sonnen making a mistake. Their really isn't an excuse.

I hope for a rematch. I wonder what the buyrate will be because if Sonnen backs up his interviews like in this fight, he could become a big PPV draw for UFC. I consider myself a casual fan and I was interested in this one due to first seeing Silva get his ass whooped and then seeing Sonnen get his ass whooped. Guy has something special.

Canto

08-08-2010, 06:09 AM

I was so happy when Silva slapped on that triangle, what a boring champion Sonnen would make, he doesnt even try to finish his opponents, he had the opportunity to get Silva in an arm triangle and he let it go and he never tried to get a choke when he had his back, hes a great wrestler but its not fun to watch. I believe Silva was hurt though, he didnt seem like himself in the beginning, he wasnt trying to counter as much and he was allowing himself to be taken down too easily, it reminded me of BJ Penn in his last fight when he was also "injured."

Mopar Fanatic

08-08-2010, 02:07 PM

Pretty clear Sonnen is the tougher guy, stronger guy, and better athlete.

Mopar Fanatic

08-08-2010, 10:18 PM

Nelson is going to get facefucked with Santos fist.

ouch!

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DunlopolnuD

08-26-2010, 12:43 AM

I'm calling it now...

Toney Vs. Couture = Toney wins via Submission (Peruvian Necktie, or Aokiplata)

Mopar Fanatic

08-26-2010, 12:53 AM

I'm calling it now...

Toney Vs. Couture = Toney wins via Submission (Peruvian Necktie, or Aokiplata)

I can't tell if you're trolling or being serious

Mopar Fanatic

08-26-2010, 01:04 AM

The only way Randy will loose is if he insists on standing and throwing like he has in the last couple of fights, he will be put to fucking sleep.

Randy is a very smart fighter, so I don't think he's doing anything stupid. Randy will control and dominate.

If Toney beat Couture it would be one of the biggest upsets in mma.

Mopar Fanatic

08-26-2010, 01:07 AM

Before the discussion goes any further

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0d/UFC_118_Edgar_vs_Penn_2_poster.jpg

Main card
Lightweight Championship bout: Frankie Edgar vs. B.J. Penn
Heavyweight bout: Randy Couture vs. James Toney
Middleweight bout: Demian Maia vs. Mario Miranda
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs. Gray Maynard
Welterweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Marcus Davis

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Lightweight bout: Joe Lauzon vs. Gabe Ruediger
Lightweight bout: Andre Winner vs. Nik Lentz

Preliminary card
Middleweight bout: Dan Miller vs. John Salter
Welterweight bout: Nick Osipczak vs. Greg Soto
Welterweight bout: Mike Pierce vs. Amilcar Alves

Canto

08-26-2010, 06:18 AM

Im rooting for BJ Penn, Randy Couture, Demian Maia, Kenny Florian, and Nate Diaz

DunlopolnuD

08-26-2010, 08:27 PM

Haha, I was obviously joking. If the countdown was any indicator Toney is in no way prepared for an MMA fight.

Penn via TKO - I think this one is going to end badly for Edgar.
Couture via TKO (stoppage) I don't think he'll knock Toney out or anything, but I think Toney will gas by the start of the second round, and the ref will stop it once Randy's all over him.
Maia via Submission
Florian via TKO
Davis via Decision

MistAh BlistAh

08-28-2010, 08:38 PM

Main card
Lightweight Championship bout: Frankie Edgar vs. B.J. Penn
Heavyweight bout: Randy Couture vs. James Toney
Middleweight bout: Demian Maia vs. Mario Miranda
Lightweight bout: Kenny Florian vs. Gray Maynard
Welterweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Marcus Davis

Preliminary card (Spike TV)
Lightweight bout: Joe Lauzon vs. Gabe Ruediger
Lightweight bout: Andre Winner vs. Nik Lentz

Preliminary card
Middleweight bout: Dan Miller vs. John Salter
Welterweight bout: Nick Osipczak vs. Greg Soto
Welterweight bout: Mike Pierce vs. Amilcar Alves

Would love to see Toney win, but highly doubt it...

Frank the Tank

08-29-2010, 02:56 PM

UFC 118 was pretty blah.

Toney/Randy was an embarrassment but it did bring some lolz. Toney pretty much was clueless as soon as Couture took him down and just layed their until he tapped which is what everyone expected. Then afterwards he does his usual interview where you can't understand anything he says except I did make out that he said his ground game was alright. No it wasn't, James. I don't understand what the point of that fight was and it was a waste of time. Randy doesn't have too many fights left at this point so they should get as much out of him as they can. Not using him to show that UFC>Boxing which means nothing when both fighters are past their primes.

Penn looked done out their last night. Hopefully B.J. bounces back but he got dominated by Frankie Edgar.

Nate Diaz vs Marcus Davis was the best fight of the show. It was hard to watch as Davis got cut open brutally around the eye. Davis's eye was disgusting. I'd post a pic of it for those who didn't watch it but it's too gross for me to see again.

Maynard/Florian and Maia/Miranda were both pretty boring. Maynard puts me to sleep with him just laying on guys just to stretch the fight to a decision. Hopefully Edgar can beat him in their rematch.

Dr. Herb West

08-29-2010, 03:46 PM

I kept thinking, "Alright, eventually B.J.s gonna do his thing, still got time to make his move, he's just waiting patiently for that right opening, Dag, Homey, it never did come did it, Edgar beat Penn 'off the line' the entire night. B.J. for whatever reason did not look comfortable at all, not one round. Since when does B.J. take someone down, and then let them escape with virtually zero damage, let all, not even a decent bang or two, no sub attempts. Aside from GSP, name anyone else that got the elbows touching down on B.J.s mug, he looked totally puzzled, frustrated, and most of all defeated. GSP didn't dominate Penn like Edgar did

Mopar Fanatic

08-29-2010, 05:16 PM

I hope this is the last time we see James Toney fight. In a cage or otherwise. I doubt Dana White will ever let him step back into the octagon.

Cop No. 633

08-31-2010, 05:33 PM

It's official. Nick Diaz and K.J. Noons are having their rematch on October 9 for Strikeforce.

http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/8/25/1650810/noons-vs-diaz-ii-scheduled-for

I'm excited about this fight. I've been wanting to see it for a couple of years now and I think Diaz has improved so much over the past three years. I hope he knocks the smirk off of Noon's face. Diaz is the Roddy Piper of the sport. haha

Canto

08-31-2010, 07:26 PM

I love the Diaz brothers, even though outside of the ring they are very awkward, they are awesome fighters. Nate destroyed Marcus Davis and I would love to see him move up and fight some top guys at 170 or 155.

Frank the Tank

09-26-2010, 12:57 AM

Mir/Cro Cop was a horrendous fight. They did absolutely nothing for two and a half rounds and it was so bad that the fans were booing the whole thing and Joe/Goldberg were ripping on it than Mirko gets KO'ed. They were both smiling and talking to each other during the fight. Fuck, it sucked. It pains me to say it because Mirko Cro Cop was one of my favorite fighters a few years ago but he is done. He will probably get released by the UFC after this embarrasing fight and should retire. Mir's a douchebag and I was hoping the Mirko from Pride would show up and headkick Mir into oblivion but I got a fight that made both guys look awful. Even the KO looked really weak.

Guillard/Stephens was almost as bad. Lil' Nog/Bader was really boring but not as bad as the the previously mentioned.

The middle of this show was fucking awesome . Sherk/Dunham should easily be the fight of the night. Even though Dunham got robbed, it was action packed and Dunham should've won the fight despite suffering a disgusting cut. Serra/Lytle was a great boxing battle. I can't believe these two are the same age as Cro Cop. They look so much more alive and had way more passion.

Cop No. 633

10-09-2010, 03:27 PM

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Diaz vs. Noons II is on tonight! I can't wait for this fight. It could likely be one of the best fights of the year.

I'm hoping Diaz gets his revenge and closes the chapter on who is the better fighter. He's been stellar ever since he fought Noons and has improved so much in the past three years. Not to discredit Noons who is also a pretty good boxer. He has fast hands and I'm sure he's going to tag Diaz throughout the fight, but Diaz is built to last 5 rounds. I expect to see him weather Noons down standing up and then hopefully take him to the ground. I always love seeing a striker submit. They get that deer in headlights look as it happens.

The only thing that can beat Diaz is his own ego. If he isn't precise with his stand up and he doesn't go to the ground, then this fight could go to Noons.

Mopar Fanatic

10-09-2010, 06:08 PM

Diaz is easily one of my favorite fighters. I was born in Stockton, and I have spent a bit of time with him through one of his longtime friends. He's a nice and pretty humble guy, but Nate is a fucking douche who always hid behind his brother.

Cop No. 633

10-09-2010, 06:20 PM

bourahioro

10-09-2010, 07:22 PM

...What the fuck, Chael Sonnen?!

Chillingworth

10-09-2010, 07:47 PM

Nick Diaz is one of those fighters that I initially couldn't stand but have warmed up to immensely. When he knocked out Robbie Lawler I thought he was way too cocky, and just his general demeanor was really off-putting to me. But when he fought Diego, who I can't stand at all, I started leaning toward Nick's side. Then after that it seemed like they were consistently putting him against people I didn't like, like Joe Riggs and Josh Neer, so pretty much by default I rooted for Nick. When he fought Gomi, that's when I became an actual fan. That fight was absolutely killer, and the way he finished it was super studly, that stupid NC ruling aside. Anyway, all this rambling is just to say that I've really come to appreciate Diaz as a fighter and even his atttitude, which annoyed me at first, has become endearing.

All that being said, I hope Noons wins. He's a cocky SOB too but I like watching him fight, and with the exception of that Crazy Horse Bennett fight, which broke my fuckin heart to watch, he hasn't let me down. I went to the Strikeforce event here in Houston a couple months ago and saw him fight Gurgel. It was awesome, and all the shit he's been catching about illegality is nonsense. That punch he was throwing at the end of the first was in motion before the bell, that was plain as day, but people still act like he was intentionally fighting dirty. So I'd always liked Noons, but seeing him live made me a fan. Ridiculous reason to be a fan, I know, but I already kind of was before that and that just shoved me over.

Like I said, I hope Noons wins, but I know he won't. He's not going to knock Diaz out, I am about 90% sure of that, and he sure as shit won't be submitting him. The best KJ can hope for is another TKO stoppage. Otherwise, even if it goes the distance, Diaz will win. But I don't see it going the distance, not even close. I think Noons will drop Diaz, sorta like he did in the first, then get cocky and go in all wild and shit allowing Nick to submit him. It seemed to me that he left himself in a couple vulnerable positions their first time around, but for whatever reason Nick didn't capitalize on it. Maybe it was the weight cut, maybe he was just having a bad night, I don't know. But I don't see Nick letting Noons get away with mistakes again. Nick will catch him and sub him, I'm gonna say somewhere in the first two rounds.

Cop No. 633

10-09-2010, 07:55 PM

...What the fuck, Chael Sonnen?!

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Nice work, Chael. I swear... it's like these fighters think they're immune to drug tests.

KingofKings2525

10-09-2010, 11:14 PM

Ryan "Darth" Bader vs. Jon "Bones" Jones next februrary. I'm really looking forward to this one. I hope Bader wins but Bones is a bad motha. I'm guessing the fight will be an early candidate for fight of the year next year. Bader wins for coolest nickname in MMA.

So... who does Brock fight after he destroys Cain? Carwin rematch?

Chillingworth

10-10-2010, 01:53 AM

Well that was a good fight tonight. I thought Noons really should have pulled the trigger more on a couple of occasions, and he seemed to kind of back off when he shouldn't have. But Diaz just outboxed him, that's all there is to it. As for a rubber match, I think KJ should have to get a couple fights in before that happens.

It was pretty cool of Josh Thompson to call out the judge that ruled it 30-27 in his favor. It was a ridiculous score, and I immediately knew that fans and fighters alike would groan about it, but I didn't expect the guy who was overscored for to object. That's awesome. Something obviously needs to be done about judging, but I don't know what. The 10-point-must has its flaws, but I think it's a better system than just flat-out calling the fight at the end like Pride used to do. The problem with that was that a dude could lose for ten minutes, rally in the last five and the judges would be swayed by whatever their last impression was. Anyway, a lot of people have been suggesting half-points in the ten-point system, but I really don't see how that will make any appreciable difference. That dumbass judge who called all three rounds to Thompson tonight would still have scored retarded, just by half-points instead of whole ones.

Bader / Jones should be killer. Jones has just impressed the hell out of everyone, and while Bader's been pretty impressive too he hasn't been nearly as much so. His last two fights against Little Nog and Jardine were far more competitive than anything Jones has been in. Now, one might say that Bader's competition was of a higher caliber, but I disagree. Nog is a huge name in Bader's cap, but Jardine's chin keeps him from being a huge win, whereas Jones's victories over Vera, Hamill, and the vastly underrated Matyushenko are all impressive. And not just that he won, but how he won. Anything can happen, of course, and it wouldn't shock me if Bader wins, but given his incredible performances so far and the fact that he seems to keep improving I don't see how anyone could call it against Jones.

As for Lesnar / Velasquez, Cain is going to win. I've actually come to respect Brock Lesnar after his last few fights, and I would like to see him remain the force that everyone perceives him as, but he's about to get knocked down a peg in two weeks. Lesnar looked great against Mir at 100 but Mir has a tendency to crumple once he's hurt, which Velasquez won't do, as he proved in his fight with Kongo. Judging by that and the Rothwell fight, I don't see Lesnar KO'ing Cain, but it seems entirely possible that Velasquez might hurt Brock on the feet and swarm him to a TKO or submission. Sure Brock survivied Carwin's onslaught, but that was largely because Carwin blew himself out and didn't even really try to advance himself into a submission position. He just threw, and when the second round started he was gassed. There is no way Cain will get winded like that, nor will he pass up the chance to advance his position in favor of just raining down bombs. As for wrestling, I think Velasquez will surprise people with his ability to hang. Much is being made of the weight and size difference, but none of that helped Lesnar in the grappling department against Couture, who's a smaller heavyweight than Cain. Velasquez is no Couture, I know, but I'm just saying that size alone doesn't give Brock a huge wrestling advantage, like some people are painting it out. Anyway, I think Velasquez is gonna win that fight in the third round, by either TKO or submission. Should be awesome, any way about it.

Cop No. 633

10-10-2010, 02:57 AM

That was one hell of a fight. You're right, Chillingworth. Nick Diaz outboxed KJ Noons. He gave Nick Diaz everything he had and Nick took it like a champ and really dominated for most of the fight.

Noons had a great second round though. It made me nervous just watching it, but Nick came back in round 3 as a skilled champion. That's when I knew Nick was going to make the pace of the fight.

Not to mention those half assed crescent kicks he would throw as a gag. It was hilarious. Nick makes such a great heel when he wants to be one.

KJ got some clean shots though. Shots that could have knocked out a lot of people, but Nick's an animal. I wouldn't mind seeing a rubber match at all, but like you suggested: a couple fights down the line.

I'm with you on your predictions for the next UFC. Jones is the most exciting fighter right now in the light heavyweight division. He's so fluid that I'd really like to see him up against somebody like Machida rather than Bader. I give this one to Jones... on the ground, the guy is a worm. Bader won't be able to do his ground and pound routine. Only if Jones has a glass jaw.

As for Cain vs. Brock. I want to give it to Cain and I think overall, he's a better fighter. I'm just curious to see if Brock will ever get the chance to lay on top of Cain and if Cain is strong enough to slip out and not let Brock get those baby punches that just tear through people's foreheads because of his tard strength. That's the biggest thing in Brock's arsenal. If Cain can get through the takedown and that, he'll be fine.

Canto

10-10-2010, 06:04 PM

Mopar Fanatic

10-10-2010, 08:13 PM

Im glad Nick Diaz won, KJ is the same age as Nick, but hes only been in MMA for 5 years, he needs more experience in my opinion. I think his boxing needs work, because almost every one of his punches are big ugly looking hooks or uppercuts and Nick would just dodge them everytime unlike Jorge Gurgel.

Cain Velasquez will beat Brock Lesnar, I think he'll be able to hold off the takedown long enough to knock Brock out standing up, because he cant take a punch and he doesnt know how to block or counter properly...
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and this is what Cain can do...
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That fight should have been stopped imo. Lesnar did nothing but cuddle up against the cage, clamming up like a turtle with no defense at all.

Lesnar won my respect with the fight, but surviving through the fight to only pull off a submission in a desperate fashion to end it it quick was just a sign of how desperate he was to save face.

Not to point out the obvious, but in every other fight Lesnar has Dominated. Carwin was his first and only real test. The only advantages Cain has over Lesnar is the fact that he's younger and faster.

Fedor
Overeem
Lesnar
Carwin
Cigano
Cain

as of now that's how I rate the hw's

Canto

10-10-2010, 08:39 PM

Mopar Fanatic

10-10-2010, 09:37 PM

Yea i dont understand how they can call Brock "the baddest man on the planet" after what he did in that fight, the baddest man on the planet is someone who can take a beating until the other guy is exhausted and then choke him out?

Here's the baddest man on the planet at his finest, with a hand picked opponent to make an impression on the world for his UFC debut.

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Mopar Fanatic

10-11-2010, 12:34 AM

That's cool Mopar. Nick always seemed like a really cool guy. I kind of miss his "heelish" ways before he became the champ. I always enjoyed the rough attitude even though it pissed people off. It reminded me of Roddy Piper in a way. I hope he either knocks out or submits Noons who is a little too cocky for my liking... sort of like how Diego Sanchez was before he got his spanking.

Diaz really is a nice guy in person, believe it or not. Polite and good sense of humor to pretty much everybody. But the dude literally, since he was a kid, has nothing in his life except fighting. It's all he thinks about, all he does, all he has done since he was a kid. He matted his bedroom and he and his friends would just grapple all the time, etc... it's all he does. He acts the way he does toward other fighters, but not to "regular people".

In my experience, anyway.

Cop No. 633

10-11-2010, 04:05 AM

I believe you. Nick seems like the nicest guy in the world. Just don't say anything about his mother.

KingofKings2525

10-11-2010, 05:43 PM

Here's the baddest man on the planet at his finest, with a hand picked opponent to make an impression on the world for his UFC debut.

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and?

He has dominated since that night.

He is going to wipe the floor with Cain.

Canto

10-11-2010, 08:51 PM

He has dominated since that night.

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Chillingworth

10-14-2010, 11:24 PM

Anybody watched Primtime the last two weeks? I thought it did great for Lesnar's character. I hated him when he first came into the sport, because of the WWE stigma that he probably won't escape any time soon, and was overjoyed to see Mir sub him. When he fought Heath Herring I was really hoping Herring would pull out the win, despite the fact that he's pretty much a journeyman whose biggest asset is his toughness, and isn't very good at any one thing. Lesnar won, which didn't surprise me, and then was a douche in the postfight, which also didn't surprise me. Then he beat Randy Couture, which is when I started to gain some small measure of respect for him. Then came Mir, which didn't really surprise anyone, and his assbaggery after that fight was epic. His diverticulitis story had me angry, 'cuz I knew if he was permanently disabled all the douchebag know-nothing fans would be talking about how much he WOULD have done, if not blah blah. Against Carwin, he got his ass whipped in round one, and I gained that much more respect when he came back.

That is almost the extent of Lesnar's career, that I just talked about. How anyone can call someone so unproven "the best in the world" is completely fuckin beyond me. With Fedor, you have over 30 fights against top-flight competition where he didn't just win, most of the time he dominated. That can't even be said of Brock. Whereas Velasquez, that guy has not only gone undefeated, but has run through everyone in front of him, even Big Nog. I know, he didn't really run through Kongo in the normal sense of the term, but he did absolutely own every second of that fight besides the three or four where he was rocked, and that's the only time he's ever had to safe-bet it to a victory. How is Lesnar going to win this, honestly? What tools does he have that will lead anyone to believe he's going to? His ground and pound is hardly historic, beating Frank Mir that way proves nothing. Nor does beating an old-ass Couture whose chin was shot after losing to Chuck twice. I know, I hate it too, 'cuz I love Randy just as much as the next guy, but facts is facts. Lesnar "dominating" three guys means nothing, especially when you consider how well Randy did in the clinch and how Mir looked pretty fuckin good on the feet at the beginning of the second until he tried an ill-advised flying knee and put himself on his own ass. And by no stretch of the word did Brock dominate Carwin. It's Carwin's weaknesses that lost him that fight, that is painfully obvious.

Anyway, I came on here to say that I dig Lesnar's attitude in these Primetime episodes, and am actually starting to like the guy. But that's not gonna do him any good next weekend. How anyone can call this to Lesnar is a mystery to me.

Brando @$$ Fat

10-15-2010, 01:32 AM

Chillingworth

10-15-2010, 02:19 AM

The 5-1 record doesn't really bother me as much. It's not the basis for "baddest man on the planet" (a title that belongs only to Tyson), but it doesn't indicate anything seriously wrong either. Couture was one of the best and his record is horrendous when you take a superficial look at it. It's the technique that counts, and Lesnar doesn't have much of one. He couldn't throw and land a punch to save his life. I know his background is wrestling, but nobody wants to be seen as a one-dimensional fighter because it's a hard image to shake off.

A) The baddest man on the planet is Fedor. I'm not a Pride nuthugging douche, like so many Fedor fans are, in fact I was one of the few people chanting UFC in 2005. But Fedor's loss to Werdum takes absolutely nothing away from his legacy, in my eyes, and if you put him in there against Tyson in MMA rules I would legit bet the house on Fedor.

B) I forgot what B was. Velasquez is gonna win, I think that was it.

Brando @$$ Fat

10-15-2010, 03:10 PM

But Fedor's loss to Werdum takes absolutely nothing away from his legacy, in my eyes, and if you put him in there against Tyson in MMA rules I would legit bet the house on Fedor.

Seriously? Dude, I was in no way suggesting that Tyson should fight Fedor in MMA. That would be insanity. The nickname "Baddest Man on the Planet" was from the 80's and is widely identified with Tyson. Giving that nickname to a guy with a 5-1 record, even if it's an MMA fighter, is just a little ridiculous to me. That's all I was saying.

Canto

10-17-2010, 08:43 AM

UFC 120 was pretty good for a free show. Patrick/Wilks was boring, Kongo/Browne was weird. I was surprised at Hathaway getting dominated like that by Pyle. I am very happy that Carlos Condit knocked out Dan Hardy, after GSP beats Koscheck again, Jon Fitch should get his overdue rematch and I definitely think Condit should get the winner of Shields/Kampmann for #1 contender. I was rooting for Akiyama in the main event, he rocked Bisping a few times and I really dont see Bisping ever becoming champion, i think he will be like Kenny Florian and just never quite get there, I dont think he has a chance against guys like Okami, Marquardt, Sonnen and obviously Anderson Silva.

also there were some great moments when they cut to people in the audience, when nobody cared about RDJ, Guy Ritchie and Jude Law and then going crazy for the boxer, then of course Jon Jones wave and dance.

Brando @$$ Fat

10-17-2010, 01:54 PM

Dan Hardy is having a bit of a career crisis now after losing two straight. Sure, the first was forgivable against St. Pierre, a superior athlete whom nobody expected him to beat, but he was fully capable of beating Condit and instead got KO'd inside one. He was supposed to be climbing his way into the upper echelons of the sport, but the step up in competition is clearly too much for him at this stage.

Cop No. 633

10-17-2010, 04:59 PM

Watching Dan Hardy get knocked out was so great. The guy's just too cocky for his limited skill set as a fighter. I was going for Condit and I'm glad he outmatched Hardy. That was a nice clean knockout.

I'm also glad that Pyle won! I was rooting for him and he pulled through a dominant victory over Hathaway. I think training under Randy Couture has helped him a great deal. He had some really great takedowns over Hathaway and kept him down with ease through most of the fight. I'll be interested to see if Pyle can keep this up. Pyle-Hathaway and Condit-Hardy were the two best fights of the night. Everything else was a bit of a bore. You're right Canto... there's nowhere for Bisping to go except to stay in the exact same place. He's a good fighter, not a great one.

Frank the Tank

10-18-2010, 02:36 PM

I saw this on another board and had to share the amazingness.

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Dan Hardy got knocked the fuck out

I was hoping Sexyama would beat Bisping, but it didn't play out.

As for Cain/Brock, I want Brock to win, but I'm going with Cain. Although, if Brock still has that swank lumberjack beard, the power of the beard might force him to win.

Mopar Fanatic

10-23-2010, 12:17 AM

Mopar Fanatic

10-23-2010, 02:48 AM

The 5-1 record doesn't really bother me as much. It's not the basis for "baddest man on the planet" (a title that belongs only to Tyson), but it doesn't indicate anything seriously wrong either. Couture was one of the best and his record is horrendous when you take a superficial look at it. It's the technique that counts, and Lesnar doesn't have much of one. He couldn't throw and land a punch to save his life. I know his background is wrestling, but nobody wants to be seen as a one-dimensional fighter because it's a hard image to shake off.

I disagree with the first part of your statement.

I think Couture only has that reputation overrated hype/status is the fact that he's been around this long and although he looses lots of fights, while not looking like shit, he also represents the sport very well.

Couldn't agree with you more though with Lesnar. His boxing skills are horrendous. Like I stated above all he has going for him is his size and strength in wrestling.

Those who are comparing boxing to mma(big fan of both)is apples and oranges. If Lesnar couldn't take a punch from Carwin imagine what Tyson would have done to him in the 80's?

Brando @$$ Fat

10-23-2010, 12:44 PM

I disagree with the first part of your statement.

I think Couture only has that reputation overrated hype/status is the fact that he's been around this long and although he looses lots of fights, while not looking like shit, he also represents the sport very well.

Couldn't agree with you more though with Lesnar. His boxing skills are horrendous. Like I stated above all he has going for him is his size and strength in wrestling.

Those who are comparing boxing to mma(big fan of both)is apples and oranges. If Lesnar couldn't take a punch from Carwin imagine what Tyson would have done to him in the 80's?

You're right, he's done a good job of representing the sport. Even when he loses, he puts up a fight. He always fought hard like a champion even though age caught up to him earlier than other MMA pioneers. Plus, as we saw in his last fight, regardless of age he can take any sucker to school if they don't know what they're doing.

The nickname thing I merely brought up because I had a problem with applying "Baddest Man on the Planet" to a guy who's just getting started. Brock Lesnar is a big guy, with some skills (I won't deny him that), yet not a fearsome conquerer or destroyer of men like the man originally given that nickname. In his last fight, he showed serious vulnerability with his lack of defense and striking skills. He showed heart and survived the onslaught, but really, who was watching that fight and thought "Wow, that guy is a bad, scary dude"? The nickname would have been more suited for Fedor, even though he's rebounding from a rare loss.

Frank the Tank

10-23-2010, 01:02 PM

I'm hyped for tonight's show.

I'm still split on who will win between Cain and Brock. I might change my pick to Brock based on the beard.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9772/26304491.jpg
LOOK AT IT!! Based on Dana's facial expression, it smells too, so Brock's strategy might be to take Cain down and the smell of his beard will cause Cain to tap out.

They should change his nickname from the tired "Baddest Man On The Planet" to "Super Viking" Brock Lesnar.

They shouldn't give the nickname Baddest Man On The Planet to a guy going in to his seventh fight. Fedor or someone like Anderson Silva should have that nickname.

Also, I wonder what Tito's excuse will be if he loses to Matt Hamill tonight.

My predictions:

Brock (For serious reasons based on his freaky ability to survive Carwin's onslaught and I don't think Cain hits as hard as Carwin, plus as Cosmic Puppet put it, his "tard strength" as those goofy baby punches have some serious power to them.)
Shields
Matt Hamill
Thiago
Gonzaga

and I hope Tom Lawlor wins on the Prelims.