Yikes! Remember Fred Durst From Limp Bizkit? Look At Him Now...

[Lindsey]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/Fred1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/Fred2.jpg

(From Perez Hilton) (http://perezhilton.com/2008-04-15-remember-him-4)
Yes, that's really Fred Durst.

For you youngster that need some background: he used to be the frontman of an obnoxious rap/metal band named Limp Bizkit.

He also had a sex tape.

Apparently, he used to be quite famous in the '90s.

Nowadays, he spends his days, like Monday, taking long lunches at sushi joints in Los Angeles and doing much of nothing.

Holy cow it doesn't even look like him! Now I know why he always wore the baseball caps... Thats what happens when you want to cover up the baldness! I dig his Einstein tattoo on his leg though! I hate to admit it but I used to be a fan of Limp Bizkit back in the day. Anybody remember this album? It was my favorite, and I'm sure some of you guys rocked out to it back in the day. Especially to Break Stuff and perhaps Nookie? And I also dug his cover of Faith. Otherwise I was never that big of a fan of his. He sort of washed away...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/Limp.jpg

Classic 'wanksta' Limp back in the day:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/Fred3.jpg

[adamjohnson]

He looks the same.

He's turned into a pretty damn decent director as well.

[teenkiller]

Wow he's only 37 and he's already completely bald and gray. I feel his pain. I'll probably be shaving my head in a couple of years too. I used to like Sour. That was a pretty cool song. Well thats all for now GOoD JOURNEY my fellow schmoes.

[hard_candy20]

Wow, he looks so old now. And just like you Lindsey, I always rocked out to those songs, they were the shit! lol

[EBastard]

Yeah, he looks pretty regular for a guy pushing 40.



SHIVER ME TIMBERS...

THE BASTARD LOVED THE ALBUM "RESULTS MAY VARY". ALMOST BETTER THAN SIGNIFICANT OTHER AND CHOCOLATE STARFISH, IHO. :cool:

[The Postmaster General]

I never got into Limp Bizkit outside of that "cover" they did of Turn Me Loose and also some various remixes and guest spots that I can't remember now. None of their straight up stuff was tolerable for me.

Now we all know why he was always seen wearing a baseball cap.

[LordSimen]

He's got a savage grey beard now.

[echo_bravo]

Yeah Limp Bizkit basically sucks but I was listening to an XM hard rock station the other day and Limp Bizkit's rendition of the Mission Impossible theme song came on and I gotta say that I was rockin out to it. Damn catchy tune!

[Tweek]

I liked the cover of "Faith"... I wasn't a huge fan. But I grew to dislike him and the rest of the group after I heard of that whole drama about Taproot.

And frankly...


Taproot > Limp Bizkit

may I add...

Nine Inch Nails > Limp Bizkit

?

[RustyRazor]

Catchy hooks, not much to say in the lyrics.
Just Rusty's opinion.
Supposedly, he did it all for something called "nookie".
I believe that's slang for sex, but when he starts talking about chocolate starfish, I end the conversation abruptly.
And I too wore a baseball cap to try and hide my baldness.

Maybe I should've done a rap album.


M.C. Rustezee?

[Lindsey]

Haha.. There's nothing wrong with using your baseball cap to cover up the baldness Rusty! And I'm not comppletely dissing Mr. Durst! He just looks completely different then he did a few years back. He doesn't look horrible. I'm sure if he shaved his beard he wouldn't look so old.

Nice call Mr. echo_bravo. I completely frogot about his Mission Impossible rendition! I had that on a mixed CD a while back. It's really catchy!

[xseanymacx]

He looks like he's pushing 60. He looks older than my dad.

[Cronos]

I loved their cover of Behind Blue Eyes.

[Tweek]

I loved their cover of Behind Blue Eyes.

Tweek didn't! :(

[Orson-Cockart]

He looks quite cool for a fifty year old, but then again he isn't fifty. Nothing wrong with the skinhead look, I used to shave my head but recently let it grow.

[Superplasmatron]

I always found it funny that he had elvis chillin with kurt about his right tit.


fred durst is a right tit

[Brando @$$ Fat]

I liked them when I was 12 but I've been enlightened since then.

He doesn't look any different, his head is just exposed which isn't normal for him. He usually wears a goofyass hat with Chinese letters in some ghetto font to cover his apparent baldness.

[SkyNet]

Perez Hilton is such shit and i really couldnt care lkess if that dude just upped and died..

as for Fred Durst... Bizkit may be done.. but he has made good marks as a director:

The Education of Charlie Banks
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0783515/

got pretty good reviews from what i saw

and it looks like he has a new one coming out soon also:

The Longshots
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091751/

[Double-Oh-Zero]

Ah, Limp Bizkit.

That brings back memories of a simpler time for me. I used to enjoy them back in the day, but I recently heard one of their songs again and realized how impressionable I was. Anyone else remember when they topped the charts with Korn? Christ, I feel old.

At least I look somewhat similar to what I did 8 or 9 years ago, which is more than what you can say for Durst. Blimey.

[eljefe15]

Wow, time has not been kind to Mr. Durst.

[LordSimen]

That brings back memories of a simpler time for me. I used to enjoy them back in the day, but I recently heard one of their songs again and realized how impressionable I was. Anyone else remember when they topped the charts with Korn? Christ, I feel old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywuYC0n5cNg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=566geUyTBVY

I remember. =) I outgrew Limp a long time ago but I still enjoy me some KoRn.

[SkyNet]

I outgrew Limp a long time ago but I still enjoy me some KoRn.


i am in the minority that enjoys new Korn to old Korn... i enjoy it all.. but i have always thought Untouchables was their best album!

[Brendan M.]

I listened to a few of their albums back through 6th to 8th grade and eventually lost interest in the rap/metal phase like everyone else did. I just can't wait till the same thing that happened to limp bizkit happens to fall out boy and chemical romance. Although, I'm afraid of what bad music craze might come along next.

[Raimo69]

The only thing that makes him look old is that grey beard that he has.

The next music craze will be really bad probaly it's going to invole Techno somehow i could see it now.

[Jon Lyrik]

Limp Bizkit is abominable and Durst should die alone and unloved in a Portuguese whorehouse.

[FatSakHead]

Three Dollar Bill Yall was the best album they ever came out with.

Signifcant Other was decent. Everything after that was bullshit.

I fear for the future of music. It's like its getting worse with every generation.

When I was younger, Korn and Limp Bizkit were all the craze. Now my little sister's friends are listening to Fallout Boy.

I'll take Korn and Limp Bizkit any fuckin day over Fallout Boy, Nickelback, or My Chemical Romance.

Back in my day, everybody thought Fred Durst was a prick who needed his ass kicked. Not its:


http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/jaimeannekanelson/peter%20wentz/yuck.jpg

Because of Fallout Boy, girls are now attracted to complete pussies. Seriously, go to your local teenage hang out spot and count how many hot preppy blondes you see holding hands with douchebags with long black hair, tight faded jeans and converse shoes. Girls are now going out with losers we used to beat up in high school for the hell of it.

[NuclearMisfit]

Im pretty good friends with his mom Anita and shes a pretty awesome down to earth person so Im not gonna bash him. Hes directing 2 movies now and his mom has a cameo in "The Education of Charlie Banks".

And about the pictures thats how Old happens to some of us. lol.

[john_rambo]

Fall Out Boy is the worst thing to ever happen... not to just music.... but to humanity.

[NuclearMisfit]

Fall Out Boy is the worst thing to ever happen... not to just music.... but to humanity.

Theres alot more than that wrong with the music community other than just fall out boy.

[Brendan M.]

Theres alot more than that wrong with the music community other than just fall out boy.

You mean like the few dozen other bands that sound just like them?

[NuclearMisfit]

You mean like the few dozen other bands that sound just like them?

Exactly.

[Lady Stardust]

Because of Fallout Boy, girls are now attracted to complete pussies. Seriously, go to your local teenage hang out spot and count how many hot preppy blondes you see holding hands with douchebags with long black hair, tight faded jeans and converse shoes. Girls are now going out with losers we used to beat up in high school for the hell of it.

Except me i never even bothered to get a boyfriend yet.:p

[X-Nightcrawler]

I loved their cover of Behind Blue Eyes.

I think it's their only song I really like now. Limp Bizkit isn't very good, and Durst was always a little lame (remember that thing with Spears?).

He looks like Sid Haig, doesn't he?

[Brendan M.]

The version by The Who is one of my favorite songs in general. I don't know how you guys could like the limp bizkit cover. It has a mr. spell solo.

[JJFlamingo]

oh yay he's gettin old let's burn him at the stake now...:rolleyes:

[X-Nightcrawler]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/jaimeannekanelson/peter%20wentz/yuck.jpg
Add that to the "Celebrity you'd like to punch in the face" thread. What an annoying looking wuss.

[Lindsey]

oh yay he's gettin old let's burn him at the stake now...:rolleyes:

Riiiiight.

[Crazie]

Fred Durst is a douche. I did like some Limp Bizkit but never him. BTW Nookie isn't on Significant Other it's on 3 Dollar Bill Y'all.

[Lindsey]

BTW Nookie isn't on Significant Other it's on 3 Dollar Bill Y'all.

Hmmm.. I looked into it bud, and according to Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Three-Dollar-Bill-YAll-Bizkit/dp/B000001Y42/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpi/002-3528120-4612040):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/Noookie.jpg

That almost makes me want to go and listen to this CD now. Haha..

[Jon Lyrik]

Sorry, but Korn was just as terrible as Fall Out Boy. All they did was rip off their basslines from Les Claypool and try to sound REAL DARK with them.

Seriously, I don't fucking believe this. Nostalgia for the nu-metal era? Kill me now.

[bigred760]

I liked Limp Bizkit, but had always heard that Durst was somewhat of a prick. I did think that he was a good music video director . . . seeing his name credited on some of theirs and others.

I don't think he looks that bad honestly.

[Lindsey]

I don't think he looks that bad honestly.

It's not that he looks bad, its that he looks like he got really old really fast.

[Crazie]

Hmmm.. I looked into it bud, and according to Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Three-Dollar-Bill-YAll-Bizkit/dp/B000001Y42/ref=ntt_mus_ep_dpi/002-3528120-4612040):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Bikini_Babe06/Noookie.jpg

That almost makes me want to go and listen to this CD now. Haha..

My fault I was thinking of Counterfeit. I feel so sheepish. :o

[LordSimen]

Sorry, but Korn was just as terrible as Fall Out Boy. All they did was rip off their basslines from Les Claypool and try to sound REAL DARK with them.

Seriously, I don't fucking believe this. Nostalgia for the nu-metal era? Kill me now.

You must be crazy. The Nu-Metal era rocked. Especially guys like Korn. =) I'd take that over Fall Out Boy any day.

[MISFITS_Fiend]

You must be crazy. The Nu-Metal era rocked.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, that was the funniest thing I've read all year. Wait...you weren't making a joke?!?!???

[LordSimen]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously, that was the funniest thing I've read all year. Wait...you weren't making a joke?!?!???

Not a joke. It was a fun time. Korn, Tool, Coal Chamber, Rob Zombie Solo, Slipknot, Linkin Park, System of a Down, Mudvayne, Ill Nino, Soulfly, etc..

I miss when these innovative bands were in the lime light and rockin' the shit instead of this new generation of Emo-Oh-God-We-Look-Like-Little-Girls-And-We're-Crying-Like-Babies crap.

At least with Nu-Metal when the bands got whiny, they got angry too. At least showed some aggression instead of sitting in their bedroom slitting their wrists.

But yes. The Nu-Metal era rocked. Fun time. =)

[Jon Lyrik]

Korn was innovative? Hmm...I don't like repeating myself.

[Eric Flatpack]

Has anyone else noticed his tatoo of Einstein makes Einstein look like an oompa loompa?

[LordSimen]

Korn was innovative? Hmm...I don't like repeating myself.

Then don't. KoRn was quite an innovative band regardless of your unfair generalization of them.

[Jon Lyrik]

Primus, Faith No More, even RHCP...

[LordSimen]

Primus, Faith No More, even RHCP...

... All kick ass. Just like KoRn. :p

[thommie343]

Limp Bizkit and korn were both very hit or miss with me fav limp song was boiler

now tool was not even nu metal... I love tool

The only band i loved from the era was Deftones way more punk influenced..

[MidnightAngel]

Poor Fred Durst. Looks like rapcore is dead. The nookie has been eaten. :D

[hasselbrad]

I fear for the future of music. It's like its getting worse with every generation.

When I was younger, Korn and Limp Bizkit were all the craze. Now my little sister's friends are listening to Fallout Boy.

I'll take Korn and Limp Bizkit any fuckin day over Fallout Boy, Nickelback, or My Chemical Romance.

I'll take a prostate exam from a doctor with really big fingers and a sour attitude over any of those bands.

I still want to punch Fred Durst in the face for what he did to Behind Blue Eyes.

[therealjohng]

Not a joke. It was a fun time. Korn, Tool, Coal Chamber, Rob Zombie Solo, Slipknot, Linkin Park, System of a Down, Mudvayne, Ill Nino, Soulfly, etc.



Don't ever, fucking EVER, put Tool with those bands. Not only is Tool NOT nu metal, they are head and shoulders above the rest of those shitty shitty bands.

For the record, Faith No More pretty much owns every fucking band in the Nu Metal genre and they all owe them their careers.

[The Heart Collector]

Not a joke. It was a fun time. Korn, Tool, Coal Chamber, Rob Zombie Solo, Slipknot, Linkin Park, System of a Down, Mudvayne, Ill Nino, Soulfly, etc..

I miss when these innovative bands were in the lime light and rockin' the shit instead of this new generation of Emo-Oh-God-We-Look-Like-Little-Girls-And-We're-Crying-Like-Babies crap.

At least with Nu-Metal when the bands got whiny, they got angry too. At least showed some aggression instead of sitting in their bedroom slitting their wrists.

But yes. The Nu-Metal era rocked. Fun time. =)

All those bands you mentioned, with the exception of Tool (which wasn't nu-metal ever) are abysmal, and their songs WERE about crying like babies too.

Korn LITERALLY had a song of Jon Davis CRYING for TEN MINUTES. LITERALLY. I AM NOT MAKING UP THE FACT THAT YOU JUST COMPLAINED ABOUT EMO BANDS BEING WHINY, AND THEN CLAIMED TO ENJOY KORN, WHO LITERALLY RECORDED A SONG THAT WAS STRICTLY ABOUT CRYING.

Yeah all those bands were awful. I liked them when I was 13 years old and didn't know anything better, but now it's inexcusable. Those bands were as whiny as the current bands that people complain about, except they had a shittier fashion sense. Come on. Practically every Nu-Metal anthem was some whiny, one-dimensional "why does everyone hate me" crap. "Broken Home"? "Crawling"? "One Step Closer"? "Daddy"? "Freak On A Leash"? "Falling Away From Me"?

Their aggression was retarded, manufactured bullshit. None of those bands were actually aggressive, you know? We're not talking about The Dillinger Escape Plan clobbering fans in the face here, we're talking about manufactured MTV images with 'gritty cinematography' videos, downtuned guitars, etc. They weren't dark, aggressive, etc. Furthermore, being 'aggressive' doesn't make music any good. The only 'aggression' these gay-ass bands showed was their members wishing they would have been aggressive about some bullying they received 20 years ago. That's about it. None of it was for anything actually worthy of being angry about.

WOrst. POST. EVER.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Another great thing about nu-metal dying is the death of the seven string guitar. Ugh.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

For the record, Faith No More pretty much owns every fucking band in the Nu Metal genre and they all owe them their careers.

Correct. I don't know who made the Faith No More comparison, but seriously....what the hell? Mike Patton can scream deeper and louder than most of these dreadlocked dweebs can play their drop-D tuned guitars turned all the way to 10.

[LordSimen]

Don't ever, fucking EVER, put Tool with those bands. Not only is Tool NOT nu metal, they are head and shoulders above the rest of those shitty shitty bands.

For the record, Faith No More pretty much owns every fucking band in the Nu Metal genre and they all owe them their careers.

Good for you. You have an opinion. Mine differs from yours. Get over it.

Faith No More is a great band but there are a few Nu-Metal bands I would definitely put over them. Honestly I don't think most Nu-Metal bands owe their careers to Mike Patton as much as they owe their careers to Anthrax and Public Enemy, or Tool, or even the grunge bands. I hardly ever hear them mention Faith No More as an inspiration (Disturbed did once, even did a cover of Faith No More, but that's all I can remember), but rather bands such as that.



All those bands you mentioned, with the exception of Tool (which wasn't nu-metal ever) are abysmal, and their songs WERE about crying like babies too.


'Eh. Did you read my post or just skim through it? Here. Let me jog your short term memory.

At least with Nu-Metal when the bands got whiny, they got angry too. At least showed some aggression instead of sitting in their bedroom slitting their wrists.

Notice how I acknowledged that they did get whiny? Good. Now that you notice that, also notice how I mentioned that at least when Nu-Metal bands got whiny, they got aggressive about it. Not only that, when Korn got whiny they at least had good reason for it. He was raped as a kid. Granted, it wasn't by his father like his music suggested, he was raped. I don't care who you are, something like that will definitely make you an angry and whiny person. Which is more than I can say for all those bands who seem to be whiny over the most pitiful things.

"My parents don't understand, I'm a rich suburban kid who thinks he has it hard because I have a paper to write int he morning, woe is me."

Blah. I'd say the only band who really got whiny for no apparent reason was Slipknot, but at least when they did it it they got angry, showed some aggression and did it in a way that they don't sound like a five your old child crying on a bed slitting their wrists saying woe is me.

Korn LITERALLY had a song of Jon Davis CRYING for TEN MINUTES. LITERALLY. I AM NOT MAKING UP THE FACT THAT YOU JUST COMPLAINED ABOUT EMO BANDS BEING WHINY, AND THEN CLAIMED TO ENJOY KORN, WHO LITERALLY RECORDED A SONG THAT WAS STRICTLY ABOUT CRYING.


Read above.

Yeah all those bands were awful. I liked them when I was 13 years old and didn't know anything better, but now it's inexcusable. Those bands were as whiny as the current bands that people complain about, except they had a shittier fashion sense. Come on. Practically every Nu-Metal anthem was some whiny, one-dimensional "why does everyone hate me" crap. "Broken Home"? "Crawling"? "One Step Closer"? "Daddy"? "Freak On A Leash"? "Falling Away From Me"?


I don't really care if you liked the bands are not, but I've already stated my case on why they were better than the shitty Emo bands of today. Nu-Metal bands got their aggression out in an aggressive way. Emo bands tend to sit and cry about it for whole albums. Not only that, they do it about bullshit that doesn't even matter. There are exceptions but even the exceptions don't sound good musically to me, unlike the Nu-Metal bands.

Freak on a Leash wasn't even "why does everybody hate me" crap. Niether was "Falling Away From Me," which was about domestic abuse. Same with Broken Home.

Oh, and about the fashion sense comment? I call complete bullshit on that one. Emo kids look like little girls. Nu-Metal heads at least stuck to their gender. I'd take this look:

http://mog.com/pictures/wikipedia/45246/Korn.jpg

Over this stupid and idiotic look:

http://www.yourposterworld.com/images/MY%20CHEMICAL%20ROMANCE%20-%20BLACK%20PARADE%2024X34.25.bmp


Their aggression was retarded, manufactured bullshit. None of those bands were actually aggressive, you know? We're not talking about The Dillinger Escape Plan clobbering fans in the face here, we're talking about manufactured MTV images with 'gritty cinematography' videos, downtuned guitars, etc. They weren't dark, aggressive, etc. Furthermore, being 'aggressive' doesn't make music any good. The only 'aggression' these gay-ass bands showed was their members wishing they would have been aggressive about some bullying they received 20 years ago. That's about it. None of it was for anything actually worthy of being angry about.

Manufactured? Over the years. Yeah. Especially when guys like Limp started to get into the game. It definitely started to get manufactured. But that's true with any genre that gets main stream success. However that doesn't change the fact that even the manufactured work was better than the bullshit we hear on the radio today. And yes, aggressive does make music good.

Oh, and DEP is one of the worst bands I've ever heard in my life. Let's keep them out of this.

WOrst. POST. EVER.

I agree. Your post is the worst post ever. :)

[Tweek]

You know... I don't get the adoration for Tool.


There I said it.

[therealjohng]

You know... I don't get the adoration for Tool.


There I said it.



I'm not gonna try and convince you, I'll post my peace/piece on why I think they deserve it.

Tool goes out of their way not to be the mainstream cookie cutter rock bullshit that is played on radio now a days. Are they mainstream? Very much so. But they do it with songs that are usually longer than 7 minutes and the material is usually very dark. They have a code and they stick to it. They don't sell out for corporate bullshit like a lot of bands do. They don't put their faces on soft drinks or movies (well once). They put the music first, which is why you rarely find any pictures of them anywhere.

I know thats not a lot, but it's why I have such a high admiration for them.


And Tool not being Nu metal isn't my opinion, it's fucking fact.

[therealjohng]

Oh, and DEP is one of the worst bands I've ever heard in my life. Let's keep them out of this.


http://www.webdesign.org/img_articles/2947/disappointment.jpg

[Tweek]

Heh no, it's fine that they've got fans and admirers... More power to them. Tweek just simply doesn't understand. But that's life, ain't it? ;)

[LordSimen]

And Tool not being Nu metal isn't my opinion, it's fucking fact.

That statement was in reference to your second statement, not the first.

Edit: Well, yes to your first, but only the second part of it. ;)

[therealjohng]

That statement was in reference to your second statement, not the first.

Edit: Well, yes to your first, but only the second part of it. ;)


Out of curiosity, what nu metal bands do you think are better than Faith No More?


EDIT: And Tool for that matter.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Argh, Slipknot is cool, dammit!

*stomps feet, inflates cheeks, covers ears and shuts eyes*

[Tweek]

Argh, Slipknot is cool, dammit!

*stomps feet, inflates cheeks, covers ears and shuts eyes*

You forgot the fetal position. :p

[LordSimen]

Out of curiosity, what nu metal bands do you think are better than Faith No More?


EDIT: And Tool for that matter.

System of a Down, Korn, Mudvayne and Fear Factory*.

I'd say Disturbed but I don't think Disturbed is really a Nu-Metal band anymore, just a straight up Hard Rock band. And I know I'm in a minority in thinking Disturbed is godlike or whatever, they hold a special place in my heart.


*Note: Not all Fear Factory is Nu-Metal, they are actually more industrial, but they have released a couple Nu-Metal styled albums that even included a few rappers on them. For this reason, I include them.

Argh, Slipknot is cool, dammit!

*stomps feet, inflates cheeks, covers ears and shuts eyes*

Dude I like 'em too. Just sayin' they're pointless aggression for the sake of being aggressive. They're angry about pretty much nothing. :p In fact, in a lot of ways that's why I like 'em. Sometimes you had a bad day and just wanna listen to someone who's pissed off at everything for no reason just like you are. I will say though, when they get melodic and let Corey's vocals really shine they really do hit something special.

[therealjohng]

I'm fucking walking away from this thread.

[LordSimen]

I'm fucking walking away from this thread.

If it's any consolation I feel Mr. Bungle owns most of those bands. ;)

[therealjohng]

If it's any consolation I feel Mr. Bungle owns most of those bands. ;)


It's not.

[echo_bravo]

At least Jonathan Davis has reason to cry and be depressed. The dude was molested as a kid.

All those rich emo kids cry and whine that their first gf dumped them or something stupid like that.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Who gives a shit if he was molested? Not to sound insensitive, because that's a horrible thing for any child to go through, but it's not like that gives his music some sort of new cred that other non-molested artists wouldn't have. Jim Morrison, Lou Reed, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, and like half a million other artists had terrible childhoods, but they didn't get dreadlocks and start screaming at their audiences, did they?

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I was shamefully a Limp Bizkit fan when I was a kid. Of course, I also liked Korn, so that just goes to show how kids are fucking misled these days when it comes to those sorts of things. I had an edited copy of Significant Other, which I guess is a good thing because I couldn't hear all of that idiotic shit Fred Durst was singing in its entirety.

[LordSimen]

Who gives a shit if he was molested? Not to sound insensitive, because that's a horrible thing for any child to go through, but it's not like that gives his music some sort of new cred that other non-molested artists wouldn't have. Jim Morrison, Lou Reed, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, and like half a million other artists had terrible childhoods, but they didn't get dreadlocks and start screaming at their audiences, did they?


Actually, yes, the fact that he was molested does give his music a sense of credibility. Because it means his music is honest. It's not something you just forget on the whim, and as a musician he expressed his feelings on that issue in quite a few songs. He has a reason to be angry at the world, a very legitimate reason.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Dude I like 'em too. Just sayin' they're pointless aggression for the sake of being aggressive. They're angry about pretty much nothing. :p In fact, in a lot of ways that's why I like 'em. Sometimes you had a bad day and just wanna listen to someone who's pissed off at everything for no reason just like you are. I will say though, when they get melodic and let Corey's vocals really shine they really do hit something special.

Yeah, I honestly don't care if they had some bad childhood that gives them a legit reason to scream. That's part why I hate rappers like Eminem or 50 Cent. . . I like Eminem's music though, just not his whining.

Pissed off > Whine. Honestly, most of the lyrics I have paid attention to by Slipknot, they just seem angry, not crying like My Chemical Romance ("But whaaaer is yaawr heaaart?!" gawd).

Though I agree with LordSimen. I actually like plenty of the bands mentioned above; Coal Chamber, some of Korn (well, "Issues"), Ill Nino, Spineshank, Disturbed (love Disturbed), Sevendust. While I can't stand My Chemical Romance, Papa Roach (if I ever listen to that piece of shit song "Welcome to my Life" again, I murder someone, I hereby bow to), etc.

As long as the whining isn't like, painfully obvious, I can stand it perfectly fine.

[echo_bravo]

Who gives a shit if he was molested? Not to sound insensitive, because that's a horrible thing for any child to go through, but it's not like that gives his music some sort of new cred that other non-molested artists wouldn't have. Jim Morrison, Lou Reed, Neil Young, Bruce Springsteen, and like half a million other artists had terrible childhoods, but they didn't get dreadlocks and start screaming at their audiences, did they?

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I was shamefully a Limp Bizkit fan when I was a kid. Of course, I also liked Korn, so that just goes to show how kids are fucking misled these days when it comes to those sorts of things. I had an edited copy of Significant Other, which I guess is a good thing because I couldn't hear all of that idiotic shit Fred Durst was singing in its entirety.

Well, I referring to THe Heart Collector's post regarding Jonathan Davis crying on a track for like ten minutes. At least with him he has reason to be sad and shit like that unlike the spoiled little emo bands.

For the record, I absolutely hated the whole Nu Metal era but I never had anything againist Korn. They made a number of songs I dug especially their video to Freak on a Leash. You dont see cool videos like that anymore.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

I still agree with Heart Collector, though. I mean, being molested gives him a reason to be psychologically messed up, but only in this generation it seems that artists like to take it out on their audience by wailing out their problems. They don't talk about it in a humble and sincere way like Elliott Smith did, but they do it in that completely loud and bombastic way like My Chemical Romance.

Lou Reed is a great example. Read up on his childhood. As far as shitty upbringings go, he takes the cake, but he never used his music as a therapy session with his fans serving as the psychiatrists.

[LordSimen]

I still agree with Heart Collector, though. I mean, being molested gives him a reason to be psychologically messed up, but only in this generation it seems that artists like to take it out on their audience by wailing out their problems. They don't talk about it in a humble and sincere way like Elliott Smith did, but they do it in that completely loud and bombastic way like My Chemical Romance.

Lou Reed is a great example. Read up on his childhood. As far as shitty upbringings go, he takes the cake, but he never used his music as a therapy session with his fans serving as the psychiatrists.

Uhh, the music KoRn makes is designed to empower and organize all the kids/teens/youngadults/collegekids/youth in the world whose ever felt the way Jonathan has and band them together into one unifying symbol of defiance and courage. Their music touches on subjects that were previously taboo to touch upon, and for this reason I feel they are innovative.

Just because previous generations decided to pretend like nothing happened and this one actually decides to face the dark side of society head on doesn't make the older generations somehow better. They ran away from their problems instead of facing it, like Jonathan did by channeling his aggression into KoRn. You say he's yelling at his fans, and using his fans as psychiatrists. Honestly, as a fan, the fans are the ones using him as a psychiatrist. A healthy way to get out our aggressions, angers, and problems. Through music and having a good time at a show. He's not yelling at his fans, he's yelling with his fans. It's a brotherhood.

[The Heart Collector]

The Dillger Escape Plan are infinitely better than all nu-metal bands combined, and are actually a respected band with a modern classic under their belt (Calculating Infinity). the fact that you think they're 'one of the worst' while praising all this teenage nonsense tells me everything I need to know about your critical abilities.

[LordSimen]

The Dillger Escape Plan are infinitely better than all nu-metal bands combined, and are actually a respected band with a modern classic under their belt (Calculating Infinity). the fact that you think they're 'one of the worst' while praising all this teenage nonsense tells me everything I need to know about your critical abilities.

Yeah. Definitely one of the worst bands I've ever heard in my life. Modern classic? Don't make me laugh. Why don't you go wallow in your own ego and continue to pretend you're better than me because you love DEP. Just makes you look more like a jack ass, not me.

Respected band? KoRn are quite the respected band. In fact, I believe they've been nominated for quite a few Grammies and have received critical praise over the years. They're also acknowledged as pioneers of an entire genre. Not that I actually give a shit about the Grammies and all that, my point still stands that the band is indeed a respected band. Maybe not by you, but certainly by quite a large number of people.

[therealjohng]

Ok, I'm fucking back.


1) Grammies don't mean shit in terms of respect level.

2) Korn did not pioneer nu metal. That statement is ludicrous.

[someguy]

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rYFQZFL0yoo

[LordSimen]

1) Grammies don't mean shit in terms of respect level.

Okay, then what does? Do you decide that? :rolleyes:


2) Korn did not pioneer nu metal. That statement is ludicrous.

Uh, yes they did. A vast majority of Nu-Metal took it's cues and it's standards from KoRn. Korn and Coal Chamber, for the most part, were the two bands that pretty much pushed the movement forward and brought Nu-Metal to the popular world.

Korn is also considered the first Nu-Metal band. I also feel this way. Alternative and the like existed before KoRn, but it was only after KoRn that Alternative Metal, or Nu-Metal, was born.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Just because previous generations decided to pretend like nothing happened and this one actually decides to face the dark side of society head on doesn't make the older generations somehow better. They ran away from their problems instead of facing it, like Jonathan did by channeling his aggression into KoRn. You say he's yelling at his fans, and using his fans as psychiatrists. Honestly, as a fan, the fans are the ones using him as a psychiatrist. A healthy way to get out our aggressions, angers, and problems. Through music and having a good time at a show. He's not yelling at his fans, he's yelling with his fans. It's a brotherhood.

Funny how whatever I seem to be saying seems to translate into a completely different language with you. Especially because I never said that previous generations knew best by ignoring their true feelings, and unless your view of musical history is warped, they never did. They could sing on numerous levels...which is what made them good. Lou Reed, if you did your research, was sexually tormented as a teenager. Instead of screaming and crying for ten minutes, he could turn it into an S&M themed psychedelic song like "Venus in Furs." Bands like My Chemical Romance are unable to articulate any wide variety of emotions, so they scream and yell like whiny yet overdeveloped children. All they know is aggression and anger. Any imposter can use music as an aggression outlet. That shit is easy.

[LordSimen]

Funny how whatever I seem to be saying seems to translate into a completely different language with you. Especially because I never said that previous generations knew best by ignoring their true feelings, and unless your view of musical history is warped, they never did. They could sing on numerous levels...which is what made them good. Lou Reed, if you did your research, was sexually tormented as a teenager. Instead of screaming and crying for ten minutes, he could turn it into an S&M themed psychedelic song like "Venus in Furs."

Not everyone wants to play psychedelic music. If Lou Reed channeled his aggressions and problems through his music, then he did no different than what KoRn do now. Simple as that. Their musical expression of choice may be different but at their core they're doing the same thing in that case.

All they know is aggression and anger. Any imposter can use music as an aggression outlet. That shit is easy.

Because that's how they felt, so that's how they expressed it.

[The Heart Collector]

Korn aren't respected by anyone worth a damn. The nu-metal scene wasn't critically respected, and is viewed as a terrible joke right now, especially the tendency to rap during rock songs. I don't care if they pioneered a genre, no one respects their genre and their genre isn't actually influential to musicians that will be relevant in a decade. Korn's last few albums have all gotten terrible reviews. Honestly, the entire mainstream rock scene, be it emo, nu-metal, or "alternative rock" is widely derived. Korn has about the same level of respect as Puddle of Mudd, which is zero. The majority of modern, commercial rock bands have or had no respect from anyone.


I don't care about the "number of people" that respect Korn. I care about whether those people actually have opinions that don't resemble those of a chimpanzee. Korn isn't a good band. Their songwriting is poor and repetitive. The themes they explore are done so in a very grating, teenage way. Which would be fine if they were teenagers, but they're 40 years old and its just fucking embarassing. And nu-metal is dead and dead forever. Do you honestly think that there's gonna be a nu-metal revival in 10 years? That the next Thom Yorke is going to be inspired by Jon Davis?

[The Heart Collector]

Okay, then what does? Do you decide that? :rolleyes:

Critical consensus?

The grammys are universally a joke, because the grammys are ridiculously insular. They pay absolutely no attention to anything outside the most mainstream commercial nonsense, and that's generally not what critics give a damn about, that's generally not what rabid music fans give a damn about, that's what gets forgotten. Radiohead don't have a Best Album grammy. Nirvana didn't have a Best Album grammy. Celine Dion has one. Tony Bennett has one. Barbra Streisand has one.

[LordSimen]

Korn aren't respected by anyone worth a damn.


Meaning, in your mind, they aren't respected by you. Because you're the only person who seems to be worth a damn in your mind.

The nu-metal scene wasn't critically respected, and is viewed as a terrible joke right now, especially the tendency to rap during rock songs.


... Once again, by you.

I don't care if they pioneered a genre, no one respects their genre and their genre isn't actually influential to musicians that will be relevant in a decade.

Once again... You don't respect the genre. Not no one. Quit confusing yourself with everyone else. You are not the center of the world, stop pretending to be.


I don't care about the "number of people" that respect Korn.

Good. Destroyed your own argument by acknowledging that people do respect KoRn. Thanks.

I care about whether those people actually have opinions that don't resemble those of a chimpanzee.

This paragraph can be summed up as "I'm better than everyone else, look at how much better I am!" Seriously, can you ever argue without resorting to that?

Their songwriting is poor and repetitive. The themes they explore are done so in a very grating, teenage way. Which would be fine if they were teenagers, but they're 40 years old and its just fucking embarassing. And nu-metal is dead and dead forever. Do you honestly think that there's gonna be a nu-metal revival in 10 years? That the next Thom Yorke is going to be inspired by Jon Davis?

All your opinions. I don't know what will popular in 10 years, nor do I find their songwriting poor or repetitive. In short, I disagree. =)

[LordSimen]

Critical consensus?

Which is actually generally positive for them, especially their mid-career stuff.





The grammys are universally a joke, because the grammys are ridiculously insular. They pay absolutely no attention to anything outside the most mainstream commercial nonsense, and that's generally not what critics give a damn about, that's generally not what rabid music fans give a damn about, that's what gets forgotten. Radiohead don't have a Best Album grammy. Nirvana didn't have a Best Album grammy. Celine Dion has one. Tony Bennett has one. Barbra Streisand has one.

I agree the grammys are a joke. My point was that you were wrong to think that no one respects KoRn. Thanks for missing the point.

[The Heart Collector]

Not everyone wants to play psychedelic music. If Lou Reed channeled his aggressions and problems through his music, then he did no different than what KoRn do now. Simple as that. Their musical expression of choice may be different but at their core they're doing the same thing in that case.



Because that's how they felt, so that's how they expressed it.

You don't get a fucking medal for expressing your thoughts in whichever way you want to. Your art doesn't immediately become great because you decided to express it.

Korn, and the rest of the whiny Nu-Metal bands, were terrible. They were terrible because, and pay attention to this simple concept, the level of emotional depth in their songs was extremely shallow, the words and music they used to express this depth were childish and silly, and they had nothing interesting to say. Is that clear? That's why they fucking suck. Because the CONTENT is bad.

I'll give you the most obvious example I can think of. Korn decided to write a song about the pressures of being an artist in an increasingly commercialized business, having to play by other people's rules. Many artists have done this. Some have done it by using irony. Some have done it by creating conceptual pieces that make fun of the idea of comforming to expectations. Some have willingly changed gears and made a 180 to protest against those pressures. Korn recorded a song called "Y'ALL WANT A SINGLE" where the chorus says "Y'All Want a Single Well Fuck That" or something. That's it. That's the level of communication that a band like Korn is at. Not only is that the level at which they're at, but the song sounds just like any other goddamn Korn song. It's the worst possible rebellion possible. They're yelling at their label about the gall they had of asking a single from them, in a TYPICAL SINGLE FORM. Why? Because a band like Korn just has no ideas, no intellectual depth, etcetera. A cursory glance at Wikipedia says the music video shows fans bitching about the music industry. And it ONLY cost 150,000 dollars. 150,000 dollars. And that was years ago. The band is still on a major label. It's fucking nonsense.

Same goes with that shitty song where Jon Davis cries for ten minutes. Many artists have written songs about pain. They have found different ways to express pain, being vulnerable, bitterness, etc. Some do it by crafting depressing music, some do it by crafting depressing lyrics. Jon Davis did it by mock-crying for ten minutes. It's ridiculous! Besides that, he's a grown fucking man. He's a grown fucking man and his band has been releasing albums for over a decade, yet the level of depth with which he tackles a bunch of problems he had in high school is so shallow, so poor. You'd think he'd grown up by now and would have interesting things to say about his experiences, but no, it's all a bunch of simpleminded, "woe is me" bullshit. Bad performance art, essentially.

Seriously. Most things Korn has done are awful. A.D.I.D.A.S.? Gee, how funny. An acronym joke. Davis, you truly are a wordsmith.

This applies to most nu-metal bands. I actually think that System of a Down is fairly competent, and their instrumentation can be interesting, and I like the singer's voice, but the ideas that the band communicates are just too goddamn simpleminded. "Boom" being probably the worst example of that.

[someguy]

YEAH BUT HEART COLLECTOR THAT'S YOUR OPINION IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE I FIND 'Y'ALL WANT A SINGLE' TO BE A CLASSIC SATIRICAL PIECE OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY YOU JUST THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON EVERYTHING NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I IGNORE EVERY OTHER OPINION THAT GOES AGAINST MINE!!!!

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Another funny thing about Korn and other nu-metal bands is that they would hide their shitty instrumentation by playing seven string guitars and five string basses, as to make it look like they were serious musicians a knotch above the rest.

[LordSimen]

You don't get a fucking medal for expressing your thoughts in whichever way you want to. Your art doesn't immediately become great because you decided to express it.


But it does become your art. And personally, I enjoy KoRn's art. Good for you if you don't.



Korn, and the rest of the whiny Nu-Metal bands, were terrible. They were terrible because, and pay attention to this simple concept, the level of emotional depth in their songs was extremely shallow, the words and music they used to express this depth were childish and silly, and they had nothing interesting to say. Is that clear? That's why they fucking suck. Because the CONTENT is bad.

Shallow? Some bands were shallow, I agree. But a lot weren't. KoRn being an example of a non-shallow band. They expressed a wide range of emotions, including, but not limited to, anger, sadness, depression, frustration and all the like. That's not shallow.

And now, that's not why they "suck." They suck simply because YOU don't like them. In YOUR opinion they suck. In mine they don't. Pay attention to THAT simple concept.

I'll give you the most obvious example I can think of. Korn decided to write a song about the pressures of being an artist in an increasingly commercialized business, having to play by other people's rules. Many artists have done this. Some have done it by using irony. Some have done it by creating conceptual pieces that make fun of the idea of comforming to expectations. Some have willingly changed gears and made a 180 to protest against those pressures. Korn recorded a song called "Y'ALL WANT A SINGLE" where the chorus says "Y'All Want a Single Well Fuck That" or something. That's it. That's the level of communication that a band like Korn is at. Not only is that the level at which they're at, but the song sounds just like any other goddamn Korn song.


Sometimes simplicity speaks volumes more than complexity. In the case of "Ya'll Want a Single," they accomplished not only creating a memorable and catchy anthem that one will never forget, they also gave a giant "Fuck You" to the record industry. Literally. And I love that in your face approach ten times more than that side step approach you prefer. Because we have different tastes. Yours aren't better than mine, and mine aren't better than yours.

They're yelling at their label about the gall they had of asking a single from them, in a TYPICAL SINGLE FORM. Why? Because a band like Korn just has no ideas, no intellectual depth, etcetera. A cursory glance at Wikipedia says the music video shows fans bitching about the music industry. And it ONLY cost 150,000 dollars. 150,000 dollars. And that was years ago. The band is still on a major label. It's fucking nonsense.

That was the point... They asked for a single, so they delivered a single in every way, shape, and form while also saying "Fuck You" to the guys who asked for one. They basically turned it against the industry and hit the industry with a curve ball. I find that to have a lot of intellectual depth and thought put into it.


Seriously. Most things Korn has done are awful. A.D.I.D.A.S.? Gee, how funny. An acronym joke. Davis, you truly are a wordsmith.

I disagree. KoRn has many wonderful songs, A.DI.D.A.S. included.


This applies to most nu-metal bands.

... In your opinion. =)

[LordSimen]

YEAH BUT HEART COLLECTOR THAT'S YOUR OPINION IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S TRUE I FIND 'Y'ALL WANT A SINGLE' TO BE A CLASSIC SATIRICAL PIECE OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY YOU JUST THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON EVERYTHING NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I IGNORE EVERY OTHER OPINION THAT GOES AGAINST MINE!!!!

LAWL LOOK AT ME I'M GOING TO COME INTO THE THREAD AND CONTRIBUTE NOTHING BUT A TYPICAL ATTEMPT AT BEING WITTY BY CAPPING MY ENTIRE SENTENCE AND TRY TO MOCK ANOTHER POSTER BUT COMPLETELY FAILLING.

Try harder.

[therealjohng]

I love how this thread has COMPLETELY derailed from it's original intentions.

This is one of the best reads in a long time.

[X-Nightcrawler]

Why is it that music/band fanboys are the most defensive and aggressive?

[someguy]

Seriously Simen, why do you bother discussing over this? The whole purpose of a discussion like this is to convince the other side that your opinion/point is correct or better than the other person's. You do this by providing facts/logic to back-up your opinion. Heart Collector is backing up his opinion with explanations. I'm not saying that you aren't, you have been, but for the most part you're just saying 'it's your opinion.' I mean, you're basically saying 'let's agree to disagree' but you keep dragging it out.

God while I typed this out I kept saying to myself 'why am I doing this' because I know you'll probably respond by saying 'well I DID explain myself' which is exactly what I just said above aughhh.

[The Heart Collector]

Sometimes simplicity speaks volumes more than complexity. In the case of "Ya'll Want a Single," they accomplished not only creating a memorable and catchy anthem that one will never forget they also gave a giant "Fuck You" to the record industry. Literally.

How did they give a giant fuck you to the industry? They recorded a single. It was released as a single. It made millions of dollars FOR THE RECORD INDUSTRY, and they got their standard miserable share per record sold as any artist on any major label does. What they did is they created the illusion ( and a very poor illusion at that) of rebellion and antagonism. It was the musical equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum when your mom tells you to go to your room, and then going there anyway.

how can you possibly claim it was a big fuck you to the industry? The industry made money off it, a single that they asked them to record. Hint: just because they insult the industry doesn't mean they ACTUALLY did anything substantial.

Now compare them to people actually worth a damn: Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails. Both of them hated working with record labels, and what did they do? They decided to not renew their contracts, not get in with another record label, nothing. They record and release their own records now and distribute them online, and arrange distribution deals that give them a much higher profit share. They're not literally saying "fuck you industry", but they are actually doing substantial damage to the idea of record labels by showing that you don't have to play their game. Korn plays their game, and they play their game like lackeys.

Seriously, making "y'all want a single" an actual single is just beyond ridiculous. It deserves all the scorn one can muster.

And I love that in your face approach ten times more than that side step approach you prefer. Because we have different tastes. Yours aren't better than mine, and mine aren't better than yours.

No, I can safely that in this case I am better. Because this specific example isn't even a matter of taste. This is an example about artistic integrity, and it isn't subjective that they don't have any, it's objective.

Regardless, even if we were talking about the art only, I'm sorry but you can't keep saying MY OPINION MY OPINION MY OPINION. Saying "FUCK YOU" to the world is pretty much the most childish response ever, and that's Korn's response. "YOU WANT A SINGLE? FUCK YOU [here's your single, massa, lemme do a jig for you]"



That was the point... They asked for a single, so they delivered a single in every way, shape, and form while also saying "Fuck You" to the guys who asked for one. They basically turned it against the industry and hit the industry with a curve ball. I find that to have a lot of intellectual depth and thought put into it.

No it doesn't. What the fuck. This isn't about your goddamn opinion. IT IS OBJECTIVE REALITY. Look, if you think the song Y'All Want A Single isn't intellectually and morally bankrupt, you fundamentally do not understand the issue. I don't even know what to say, other than you're being deliberately obtuse, or just have zero understanding of the situation. Here, I'll explain it for the nth time:

Record companies want to MAKE MONEY. They want to make money by selling a PRODUCT. The PRODUCT is ART. The record companies treat art as a PRODUCT. The fundamental complaint that Korn has is that by being asked to deliver specific types of art to cater to markets, so they are essentially being asked to make a PRODUCT. Again, the record companies PROFIT FROM THIS PRODUCT, while OPPRESSING THE ARTIST AND TREATING THE ART LIKE A COMMODITY.

Korn's response to this was to give the record company A PRODUCT. A PRODUCT THAT THEY COULD SELL, FOR PROFIT.

Do you understand the reason WHY that is devoit of merit? Do you understand why this means that the band Korn and their deplorable song have no artistic merit, and are just a bunch of corporate swills?

The record company makes demands of them because they WANT TO SELL A PRODUCT. Korn is more than willing to give them this PRODUCT.

Do you understand that makes Korn complicit?

Many, many artists and bands have faced similar situations. Since we were talking about him, let's mention Lou Reed. Lou Reed released an album that was just a shitload of noise for like two hours. Literally just NOT MUSIC. That is giving a fuck you to the record industry. He gave them something that they could not profit from, something they could not sell, something they could do absolutely nothing with. And he wasn't even protesting?

What Korn did with Y'All Want A Single was hoodwink people like you, who apparently can't grasp what exactly rebellion IS, and make you think they actually made a statement. They didn't. They're still on a major label.


You know what would be a statement? Using the money they made from that single to fund independent bands that don't have contracts. Using that money to fund public programs that help develop music. Handing the record label a 5 minute long song consisting of Jon Davis yelling FUCK YOU. Recording a country song. Recording a disco song. Making pornography. Goddamn it, anything. ANYTHING except actually giving the record company a song that they can sell.

Which is what they did. Korn are a bunch of court jesters. The record company took their oh-so-rebellious song, marketed it, made them record a music video for it, and sold a bunch of copies to a bunch of kids who, like you, thought they were actually being rebellious.

There is nothing intellectual, defiant, or anything about what they did. They gave the record label just what the record label wanted. You think the heads were offended that Jon Davis thought they weren't cool? They were just happy to sell, sell, sell.


Korn are a bunch of buffouns. That song is an abomination. It's rank hypocrisy. It's like criticizing the war in iraq by writing anti-war screeds on a dead iraqui's corpse that you just killed.

Korn are STILL in a record label, they STILL release singles, they haven't tried to do anything drastic or violent, nothing. They're not giving a fuck you to anyone. Can you tell me why, if they think the record industry is soooo evil, if they're soooo affected by how vile those evil people at their label are, why did they go to ANOTHER BIG LABEL when their contract with Sony finished? Why didn't they go to some indie label where they could be free, good artists? Why did they go with EMI instead? Because they're full of shit.



And it ties into their shitty 'aggression' in their music too. The idea of a shit band like Korn is to act all angry, make a music video that cost 150,000 dollars in which they break into a record store or some bullshit, and then continue to release music on a big label, whining like big babies.

Real bands that actually have intellectual integrity speak with their actions. Fugazi speaks with their actions by having their own label, never accepting offers from majors, etc. Lou Reed speaks with his actions by releasing unlistenable crap. Radiohead speaks with their actions by giving away their album for free. Korn charges you and makes a few cents off it while the evildoers they are criticizing make the vast majority of money.

[Lindsey]

Interesting debate going on here! I don't want to close this... :cool:

Carry on.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Lou Reed speaks with his actions by releasing unlistenable crap.

Are you basing his entire career on Metal Machine Music? That makes no sense at all. Besides, that album alone is better than anything by Korn or any nu-metal band combined, doubled, and squared.

For some reason, I can't help but think of that part in 24 Hour Party People when the Happy Mondays ransomed their "masterpiece" album and it ended up being one line of music repeated over and over again.

[The Heart Collector]

I'm not judging Lou Reed by it, that's just the most obvious example of "releasing something no one will make a profit from" I can think of, even if it's just one album.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

That's good. I guess the Happy Mondays are the only other example I can think of as well.

I'm glad we've established that Korn sucks. No one else bother to challenge this, because by now I think it's been set into stone.

[LordSimen]

Seriously Simen, why do you bother discussing over this? The whole purpose of a discussion like this is to convince the other side that your opinion/point is correct or better than the other person's. You do this by providing facts/logic to back-up your opinion. Heart Collector is backing up his opinion with explanations. I'm not saying that you aren't, you have been, but for the most part you're just saying 'it's your opinion.' I mean, you're basically saying 'let's agree to disagree' but you keep dragging it out.

God while I typed this out I kept saying to myself 'why am I doing this' because I know you'll probably respond by saying 'well I DID explain myself' which is exactly what I just said above aughhh.

Heart Collector's explanations tend to be "I feel this way therefore it's correct!" I don't even know what we're arguing about anymore. It keeps changing as it goes along.

I don't even know why Heart Collector is somehow trying to convince me that his opinion is holy and that I should agree with him on everything! I'm not going to. I like KoRn and nothing he says is going to change my opinion on them.

[LordSimen]

How did they give a giant fuck you to the industry? They recorded a single. It was released as a single. It made millions of dollars FOR THE RECORD INDUSTRY, and they got their standard miserable share per record sold as any artist on any major label does. What they did is they created the illusion ( and a very poor illusion at that) of rebellion and antagonism. It was the musical equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum when your mom tells you to go to your room, and then going there anyway.



It's simple. They made a single that said fuck you to singles. It was a fuck you to the industry because they followed the formula to a T and outright parodied it. That's why it's a fuck you to the industry. It was an attack from within the system rather than an attack outside the system.

how can you possibly claim it was a big fuck you to the industry? The industry made money off it, a single that they asked them to record. Hint: just because they insult the industry doesn't mean they ACTUALLY did anything substantial.\

Jesus christ man, it's just a fucking song. It wasn't meant to destroy the entire industry, it was just a fuck you to them. It was the the same as saying "FUCK YOU" to the industry and throwing up their middle finger.It was never meant to start world war 3 with it like you seem to think they should have done. They didn't want to do that and that wasn't their intention.


Now compare them to people actually worth a damn: Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails. Both of them hated working with record labels, and what did they do? They decided to not renew their contracts, not get in with another record label, nothing. They record and release their own records now and distribute them online, and arrange distribution deals that give them a much higher profit share. They're not literally saying "fuck you industry", but they are actually doing substantial damage to the idea of record labels by showing that you don't have to play their game. Korn plays their game, and they play their game like lackeys.



KoRn is worth just as much as Radiohead or Nine Inch Nails as far as I'm concerned. What Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails are doing is definitely a good thing and I'm all for it, but I hardly see why you're even bringing them up. No one said KoRn was destroying the industry. They were saying Fuck You. It's the same as me coming over to your house, knocking on your door, and when you open it, me flipping you off and saying "FUCK YOU." That's all. Stop trying to make it more than it was meant to be.



Seriously, making "y'all want a single" an actual single is just beyond ridiculous. It deserves all the scorn one can muster.

It was part of the damn point. You seemed to have missed it. The industry wanted a single, so they made one. One that said fuck you to them.


No, I can safely that in this case I am better. Because this specific example isn't even a matter of taste. This is an example about artistic integrity, and it isn't subjective that they don't have any, it's objective.

Regardless, even if we were talking about the art only, I'm sorry but you can't keep saying MY OPINION MY OPINION MY OPINION. Saying "FUCK YOU" to the world is pretty much the most childish response ever, and that's Korn's response. "YOU WANT A SINGLE? FUCK YOU [here's your single, massa, lemme do a jig for you]"


Wrong. It's completely subjective. I find KoRn to have tons of artistic integrity. They make their music the way they want to and don't give a shit what someone like you has to say about it.

And yes, it is my opinion to like the band and it is my opinion they are fantastic. You cannot change that, and your opinion isn't any better than mine. You keep pretending it is, but you're wrong.


No it doesn't. What the fuck. This isn't about your goddamn opinion. IT IS OBJECTIVE REALITY. Look, if you think the song Y'All Want A Single isn't intellectually and morally bankrupt, you fundamentally do not understand the issue. I don't even know what to say, other than you're being deliberately obtuse, or just have zero understanding of the situation. Here, I'll explain it for the nth time:

Sorry. This is about my opinion. It isn't intellectually and morally bankrupt, and that is my opinion. I also have explained why. If you have a problem with that, and disagree with it, fine. BUT DON'T TRY TO FUCKING TELL ME I CAN'T HAVE MY FUCKING OPINION.

That is one thing I will NOT tollerate, especially not from someone as egotistical as you.



Record companies want to MAKE MONEY. They want to make money by selling a PRODUCT. The PRODUCT is ART. The record companies treat art as a PRODUCT. The fundamental complaint that Korn has is that by being asked to deliver specific types of art to cater to markets, so they are essentially being asked to make a PRODUCT. Again, the record companies PROFIT FROM THIS PRODUCT, while OPPRESSING THE ARTIST AND TREATING THE ART LIKE A COMMODITY.



No d'uh record companies want to make money. Everyone knows that. What are you trying to say? It doesn't matter whether or not they made money off the song. That wasn't the point. The point was to say Fuck You, not break ties completely. You missed the point.



Korn's response to this was to give the record company A PRODUCT. A PRODUCT THAT THEY COULD SELL, FOR PROFIT.

A product that said FUCK YOU to them.



Do you understand the reason WHY that is devoit of merit? Do you understand why this means that the band Korn and their deplorable song have no artistic merit, and are just a bunch of corporate swills?


How the fuck is it devoit of merit? It's completely of merit. They were asked to make a product. They delivered a product, with a twist. That twist was the fuck you. It ironic and clever.



Do you understand that makes Korn complicit?


But it doesn't... Their intent wasn't not to sell. It was just to say fuck you. That's all.



Many, many artists and bands have faced similar situations. Since we were talking about him, let's mention Lou Reed. Lou Reed released an album that was just a shitload of noise for like two hours. Literally just NOT MUSIC. That is giving a fuck you to the record industry. He gave them something that they could not profit from, something they could not sell, something they could do absolutely nothing with. And he wasn't even protesting?


That's saying fuck you to his fans, not the industry. He released an unlistenable album. The people hurt by that are the fans. The industry was hurt, true, but the fans were hurt more as far as I'm concerned.



What Korn did with Y'All Want A Single was hoodwink people like you, who apparently can't grasp what exactly rebellion IS, and make you think they actually made a statement. They didn't. They're still on a major label.



How the fuck did it hoodwink me? It sounds to me like you were hoodwinked by Lou Reed to think that making a completely unlistenable album was a good idea for anybody.

Korn made a song that's statement was merely fuck you. That's it. It wasn't a revolutionary call or anything.




You know what would be a statement? Using the money they made from that single to fund independent bands that don't have contracts. Using that money to fund public programs that help develop music. Handing the record label a 5 minute long song consisting of Jon Davis yelling FUCK YOU. Recording a country song. Recording a disco song. Making pornography. Goddamn it, anything. ANYTHING except actually giving the record company a song that they can sell.

http://www.elementree.com/

What's the point of being in a band and making an unlistenable song? It's like that stupid thing RATM did where they just played static at a concert and showed up naked. Fuck that. Do a protest that doesn't hurt the fans.

Which is what they did. Korn are a bunch of court jesters. The record company took their oh-so-rebellious song, marketed it, made them record a music video for it, and sold a bunch of copies to a bunch of kids who, like you, thought they were actually being rebellious.

You were the person who stupidly was hoodwinked from it. You seemed to think they were trying to start a rebellion. They weren't. They were just saying fuck you.


Korn are a bunch of buffouns. That song is an abomination. It's rank hypocrisy. It's like criticizing the war in iraq by writing anti-war screeds on a dead iraqui's corpse that you just killed.

Korn are STILL in a record label, they STILL release singles, they haven't tried to do anything drastic or violent, nothing. They're not giving a fuck you to anyone. Can you tell me why, if they think the record industry is soooo evil, if they're soooo affected by how vile those evil people at their label are, why did they go to ANOTHER BIG LABEL when their contract with Sony finished? Why didn't they go to some indie label where they could be free, good artists? Why did they go with EMI instead? Because they're full of shit.

Why do anything drastic or violent if for the most part things are working out? Seriously. Your logic makes no sense. They had one snag and decided to say fuck you by saying a song that said fuck you. It was a fuck you. Why do they need to do something drastic? There'd be no point.

They're not full of shit. They've meant what they've said and haven't gone back on it. You just misread what they said.



And it ties into their shitty 'aggression' in their music too. The idea of a shit band like Korn is to act all angry, make a music video that cost 150,000 dollars in which they break into a record store or some bullshit, and then continue to release music on a big label, whining like big babies.

Real bands that actually have intellectual integrity speak with their actions. Fugazi speaks with their actions by having their own label, never accepting offers from majors, etc. Lou Reed speaks with his actions by releasing unlistenable crap. Radiohead speaks with their actions by giving away their album for free. Korn charges you and makes a few cents off it while the evildoers they are criticizing make the vast majority of money


Good for them. Korn isn't those other bands. They aren't trying to start a revolution. They were just saying fuck you.

[The Heart Collector]

Man, you just don't understand. How to argue, I mean. Stop saying ='aaahhh my opinion my opinion'. That's not a fucking argument.


Here. I will explain it one last time. REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT THE BAND COMPLAINED ABOUT HAVING TO MAKE A SINGLE (IN THE SONG), THEY GAVE THE RECORD LABEL A SINGLE, WITH EVERY TRADEMARK KORN CHARACTERISTIC THAT THE LABEL COULD EASILY MARKET AND SELL. IN FACT, THE ENTIRE ALBUM WAS LIKE THAT.

GET IT? AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR RECORD LABEL WAS HAPPY WITH WHAT KORN DELIVERED BECAUSE THEY COULD SELL IT. THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF REBELLION. YOU DON'T REBEL AGAINST SOMEONE BY PLEASING THAT VERY SAME SOMEONE.


AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR RECORD LABEL WAS HAPPY. THIS IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE BECAUSE THE REASON THE RECORD LABEL DEMANDS A SINGLE LIKE "FREAK ON A LEASH" IS SO THEY CAN SELL IT. THEREFORE, BY RELEASING A SINGLE LIKE THAT, REGARDLESS OF IT INSULTING THE RECORD LABEL, IT CAN BE PROFITABLE. FOR THE RECORD LABEL. THEREFORE IT IS NOT REBELLION.


THIS IS ABOUT AS LOGICAL AS SOMETHING CAN GET. IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A COMPANY PROFITING FROM YOUR WORK, YOU DON't GIVE THEM WORK THEY CAN PROFIT FROM.

THEY WEREN'T JUST SAYING "FUCK YOU", THEY WERE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN THE SAME PROCESS THEY COMPLAINED ABOUT, AND STILL ARE. They're still on a record label. They delivered the single. They still sell. They said "fuck you PLEASE NO IM NOT SERIOUS MASSA KEEP FEEDING ME AAH". Again, Korn is still on a major label, they still release singles. They weren't being stifled creatively, their new work isn't radically different or anything.

Do you understand that? You can't be a part of the problem and criticize it. It achieves nothing.



And why do you just keep saying "by saying fuck you"? ITS GODDAMN IMMATURE TO JUST SAY 'FuCK YOU' to a problem. Again, with t he other bands. They identified a problem, came up with solutions to it. Korn identifies a problem, throws a temper tantrum in song form, and goes back to their old ways. INtellectually bankrupt, morally bankrupt.

[Scarfather]

Ah. The Seasonal "LordSimen Flaunts His Awesomely Dull Taste in Everything and Says 'NUH-UH' a Lot Thread."

This is turning out to be the best one yet.

[hasselbrad]

This reminds me of Cake's How Do You Afford Your Rock & Roll Lifestyle.
Excess ain't rebellion,
You're drinking what they're selling.
Your self-destruction doesn't hurt them,
Your chaos won't convert them.
Tattoos, multiple piercings and a carefully crafted 'fuck you' wardrobe can't cover up the fact that there's very little artistic merit to the music. I view it with disdain because it's all so pre-packaged. It reminds me of gangsta rap in the late 1980s because it taps into that same aggressive machismo, to the detriment of actual quality. That, and it lacks real authenticity. Gangsta rap blew up because it was 'hard', and teenage males find that image irresistable.

[Cop No. 633]

Ah. The Seasonal "LordSimen Flaunts His Awesomely Dull Taste in Everything and Says 'NUH-UH' a Lot Thread."

This is turning out to be the best one yet.

Agreed! This is almost better than last night's Lost. :D

[The Heart Collector]

I am 2 impassioned posts away from an aneurysm.

[someguy]

THC you've made your point and I think everyone reading this except Simen agrees with it. All you're going to do is repeat yourself from now on.

Like I said earlier, he's essentially saying he agrees to disagree but keeps dragging it out. I remember the rant where he said critics are biased against horror movies quite well. His argument? Critics rate horror films lower than they should be rated because of a bias. People pointed out various horror movies with very high ratings over the years, and his response was that they were still too low because in his opinion they were better than those ratings. You see, because this is a discussion board he is convinced that anything discussed is just an opinion. If I said the sun was yellow and he said the sun was green, if I tried to prove that the sun was yellow he would respond by saying that it is just his opinion and you have to understand that it is just a different opinion.

I remember when I showed the video clips/mp3s of Dane Cook copying jokes from Louis CK. He said they weren't copied at all, they were totally different in many aspects. I responded, but he just said it's his opinion. This is all that's going to happen from now on. It is Simen's opinion and you can't argue against that because it is an opinion, regardless of the fact that you have tons of logic or facts to prove what you're saying. It's just incredibly hard to try and have a discussion with Simen about something because of this since he'll fall back on the fact that it's his opinion and you have to accept that he disagrees. THC, like I said, you've proven your point and you don't need to do anything else. Walk away from this.

[The Heart Collector]

*uppercuts you straight in the balls*

[someguy]

hahaha look at this

http://www.nme.com/news/weezer/36334

Frontman reveals the inspiration behind 'Pork And Beans'

Weezer frontman Rivers Cuomo has revealed that his band's new single, 'Pork And Beans', was inspired by a bust-up with his US record label, DCG, rejecting songs he had originally delivered to them for the band's forthcoming new album.

Cuomo told Rolling Stone that he was ordered to write catchier songs, so wrote 'Pork And Beans' – a song with a deliberately inane theme.

"I came out of it pretty angry," Cuomo said of the meeting with the label. "But ironically, it inspired me to write another song."

Lyrics from 'Pork And Beans' include, “Everyone likes to dance to a happy song/With a catchy chorus and beat so they can sing along/Timbaland knows the way to reach the top of the chart/ Maybe if I work with him I can perfect the art."

weezer just did their 'y'all want a single'

[The Heart Collector]

hahahaaha

christ.

[Cunning Visions]

Wow here I was hoping to read a funny rant by The Heart Collector about a fat, balding Fred Durst...and I get a debate between THC and Simen about the merits of Korn??!!

I admit, it was an interesting read though.

Having said that, I do enjoy a FEW Korn songs on a purely superficial level though. By that I mean, I'll put it up while I'm driving but then forget about it after it's done. Do I think they're lyrically deep though? Oh god no. They are pretty horrible.

Oh and I'm going to teach everybody how to play bass just like Korn

1.) Loosen your bass strings until they're practically falling off.

2.) Smack them around a few times.

Voila! There's the patended Korn bass sound! :D

[CarrieWhite]

Fred just needs a day at the spa and something done with his hair/head and he'll be fine. That's why most other celebs look good. They help their appearance along.

[LordSimen]

Man, you just don't understand. How to argue, I mean. Stop saying ='aaahhh my opinion my opinion'. That's not a fucking argument.

STOP PRETENDING LIKE YOUR OPINION IS THE END ALL BE ALL OF OPINIONS. OTHER PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH YOU. GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF.


Here. I will explain it one last time. REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT THE BAND COMPLAINED ABOUT HAVING TO MAKE A SINGLE (IN THE SONG), THEY GAVE THE RECORD LABEL A SINGLE, WITH EVERY TRADEMARK KORN CHARACTERISTIC THAT THE LABEL COULD EASILY MARKET AND SELL. IN FACT, THE ENTIRE ALBUM WAS LIKE THAT.


Who cares? The song wasn't designed to start a fucking rebellion. It was just a FUCK YOU. That's IT. They aren't YOU. They didn't want to piss off their fans like you would have done. They didn't. want to break ties with the label completely and ruin the integrity of their music. SO THEY JUST MADE A SINGLE THAT SAID FUCK YOU. THAT'S IT.


GET IT? AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEIR RECORD LABEL WAS HAPPY WITH WHAT KORN DELIVERED BECAUSE THEY COULD SELL IT. THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF REBELLION. YOU DON'T REBEL AGAINST SOMEONE BY PLEASING THAT VERY SAME SOMEONE.

Who cares what the record label was happy with? At the end of the day KORN was happy with THEIR album, which is more important than your pathetic little rebellion you seem to think they should have started.

THEY AREN'T YOU. THEY AREN'T RADIOHEAD. THEY JUST WANTED TO SAY FUCK YOU. STOP TRYING TO MAKE MORE OF IT.


THIS IS ABOUT AS LOGICAL AS SOMETHING CAN GET. IF YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A COMPANY PROFITING FROM YOUR WORK, YOU DON't GIVE THEM WORK THEY CAN PROFIT FROM.


THERE IS NOTHING LOGICAL ABOUT BEING A MUSICIAN AND MAKING AN ENTIRE ALBUM FULL OF UNLISTENABLE NOISE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING UNLISTENABLE NOISE. THAT IS ILLOGICAL. KORN AREN'T THAT KIND OF FUCKING ASSHOLE BAND WHO WOULD DO THAT TO THEIR FANS.

THEY JUST WANTED TO SAY FUCK YOU, NOT DESTROY THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY.


Do you understand that? You can't be a part of the problem and criticize it. It achieves nothing.


How are they apart of ANY problem? They thought it was stupid to be told to write a single, so they wrote a single that said it was stupid. It's ironic and fucking clever. GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF. THEY DON'T HAVE TO REBEL THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO.


And why do you just keep saying "by saying fuck you"? ITS GODDAMN IMMATURE TO JUST SAY 'FuCK YOU' to a problem. Again, with t he other bands. They identified a problem, came up with solutions to it. Korn identifies a problem, throws a temper tantrum in song form, and goes back to their old ways. INtellectually bankrupt, morally bankrupt.

You are the last person to tell someone they are throwing a temper tantrum and that they're intellectually bankrupt.

KoRn aren't. They just said fuck you and made a fantastic fucking song.

[LordSimen]

Ah. The Seasonal "LordSimen Flaunts His Awesomely Dull Taste in Everything and Says 'NUH-UH' a Lot Thread."

This is turning out to be the best one yet.

Oh yes, the daily "Scarfather posts, provides nothing to the discussion, and makes a fucking ass out of himself" post.

[therealjohng]

I like how we are arguing the merits of Korn. Fucking KORN!



The best thing Korn is, is a guilty pleasure. Nothing wrong with that. Can't take them seriously.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Who cares? The song wasn't designed to start a fucking rebellion. It was just a FUCK YOU. That's IT. They aren't YOU. They didn't want to piss off their fans like you would have done. They didn't. want to break ties with the label completely and ruin the integrity of their music. SO THEY JUST MADE A SINGLE THAT SAID FUCK YOU. THAT'S IT.

What we've been saying this whole time, apparently falling on deaf ears, is that any clown with a guitar and a mascara kit can "fuck you." Really, it's not that hard. Try it. FUCK YOU, RECORD INDUSTRY. See? Not hard at all. As long as the masses eat it up, it doesn't matter. As long as one can make blank, empty statements that seem hardcore enough to appeal to the millions of fans who were either raped by their fathers or wish they had been, money is bound to be made.

But you are right. Korn isn't Radiohead or Nine Inch Nails, the same way that 2+2 doesn't equal five. They aren't even similar in the respect that, whereas the latter two have the balls to act out on their principles, the former just waits to collect their greasy paycheck from the people they hate so much. See the disconnect there? If I showed up to work tomorrow, told my boss to fuck off, and continued doing whatever grunt work he asked of me...that it would be a completely blank and pointless act of rebellion? To the point that it really wasn't an act of rebellion at all? Korn did indeed tell them to fuck off, and they did it on one of many ways, but they didn't do it in the same way as two bands that have made a worthy living off of being true to their word.

As for making unlistenable crap and whatnot, that's not the only approach Heart Collector mentioned. If you're as strung out as Lou Reed was, then it's probably the best approach, but it's not the only one. Some bands are releasing their music for free. For free! Without charge...I dare you to say that's unfair to the fans.

[LordSimen]

I like how we are arguing the merits of Korn. Fucking KORN!



The best thing Korn is, is a guilty pleasure. Nothing wrong with that. Can't take them seriously.

KoRn aren't a guilty pleasure to me. They're one of my long time loved bands who have helped me through some horrible bullshit. Guilty? No. I'm proud to be a KoRn fan.

[LordSimen]

What we've been saying this whole time, apparently falling on deaf ears, is that any clown with a guitar and a mascara kit can "fuck you." Really, it's not that hard. Try it. FUCK YOU, RECORD INDUSTRY. See? Not hard at all. As long as the masses eat it up, it doesn't matter. As long as one can make blank, empty statements that seem hardcore enough to appeal to the millions of fans who were either raped by their fathers or wish they had been, money is bound to be made.


So? Anyone can pick up an instrument and sing about being a creep and a loser. Doesn't mean anybody can be Radiohead. Anyone can release an album of industrial ambient sounds with no lyrics and make it downloadable online. Doesn't make them Nine Inch Nail.

Who cares if the industry made money of the song. The idea wasn't to destroy the industry. The song was designed to say fuck you, the video was designed to make people aware. The band even acknowledges that most of the facts that provided in the song they are guilty of as well.


But you are right. Korn isn't Radiohead or Nine Inch Nails, the same way that 2+2 doesn't equal five. They aren't even similar in the respect that, whereas the latter two have the balls to act out on their principles, the former just waits to collect their greasy paycheck from the people they hate so much. See the disconnect there? If I showed up to work tomorrow, told my boss to fuck off, and continued doing whatever grunt work he asked of me...that it would be a completely blank and pointless act of rebellion? To the point that it really wasn't an act of rebellion at all? Korn did indeed tell them to fuck off, and they did it on one of many ways, but they didn't do it in the same way as two bands that have made a worthy living off of being true to their word.


Then you'd be saying fuck you. Doing exacty what Korn was doing. And there's nothing wrong with that. They said fuck you and got away with it. That's all. You wouldn't be starting a rebellion like you seem to think KoRn should have, so why should they? That's not what they wanted.

Your logic makes no sense. You seem to THINK they should act like YOU. They aren't YOU. They aren't RADIOHEAD. They aren't NINE INCH NAILS. They're KORN, and they just wanted to say fuck you. And there's nothing wrong with that. At all.


As for making unlistenable crap and whatnot, that's not the only approach Heart Collector mentioned. If you're as strung out as Lou Reed was, then it's probably the best approach, but it's not the only one. Some bands are releasing their music for free. For free! Without charge...I dare you to say that's unfair to the fans.

He said that releasing an album of unlistenable crap was somehow more logical option than actually making music, like a musician should. That is illogical no matter how you spin it.

[Scarfather]

Oh yes, the daily "Scarfather posts, provides nothing to the discussion, and makes a fucking ass out of himself" post.

I like that if someone who wasn't a hilarious apish philistine made that comment, someone would actually care, but since it's coming from you, it's just adorable. Like a puppy that keeps smashing into a glass door over and over because it refuses to acknowledge that the door is there.

Though it should be noted that I didn't add anything to a discussion because there isn't one. There's just THC, Brando, and someguy and a very obnoxious wall.

[LordSimen]

I like that if someone who wasn't a hilarious apish philistine made that comment, someone would actually care, but since it's coming from you, it's just adorable. Like a puppy that keeps smashing into a glass door over and over because it refuses to acknowledge that the door is there.

Though it should be noted that I didn't add anything to a discussion because there isn't one. There's just THC, Brando, and someguy and a very obnoxious wall.

Yeah. Because you agree with those guys' opinions and not mine, I'm somehow a brick wall. Yet it was Heart Collector who first decided to state "I DON'T CARE" to every single counter point provided to him.

Yeah, I'm totally the brick wall. Not.

[Lost in Space]

Ah. The Seasonal "LordSimen Flaunts His Awesomely Dull Taste in Everything and Says 'NUH-UH' a Lot Thread."

This is turning out to be the best one yet.

Oh yes, the daily "Scarfather posts, provides nothing to the discussion, and makes a fucking ass out of himself" post.


Scarface winz.

KoRn basks in mediocrity. They are nu metal, and not even the founders of nu metal. Nu metal, almost by definition, is mediocre.

[LordSimen]

KoRn basks in mediocrity. They are nu metal, and not even the founders of nu metal. Nu metal, almost by definition, is mediocre.

You're allowed to have that opinion. Just don't try to push it on me like The Heart Collector and we may get along. ;)

[Lost in Space]

You're allowed to have that opinion. Just don't try to push it on me like The Heart Collector and we may get along. ;)

Allow me room to elaborate. If you don't want to hear me out stop reading.

"We've spawned a lot of clones, but let me explain… Well, I hate the nu metal term. We have always just been a band that rocks. We didn't like when people called us a metal band, we are just Korn. People just use these terms when they cannot describe something, but nu metal… when so many bands started making music that sounded like us, that is when nu metal was born. We don't have anything to do with it for real, I feel. I wouldn't wanna call Red Hot Chili Peppers a funk band, and we are not metal or nu metal, we are Korn. [Nu metal] is just a term that doesn't mean anything." - Jonathan Davis even hates his own music. Jonathan davis obviously see's himself as supreme to the people who followed down their musical path (a path that he credits himself for creating, yet did not).

The way Korn goes about creating music is so bland it hurts. The sounds have been used over and over, from Slayer to Nirvana to Coal Chamber, they have not once produced something original (another statement Davis would disagree with).

[LordSimen]

Jonathan Davis even hates his own music. Jonathan davis obviously see's himself as supreme to the people who followed down their musical path (a path that he credits himself for creating, yet did not).

The way Korn goes about creating music is so bland it hurts. The sounds have been used over and over, from Slayer to Nirvana to Coal Chamber, they have not once produced something original (another statement Davis would disagree with).

How the hell did you get the idea that Jonathan hate's his own music from that quote? I don't see anything in there that sounds like "I hate my own music." Don't put words in his mouth. He isn't claiming superiority in that statement. He's just saying they are who they are, KoRn. And he's completely right, he did spawn a lot of clones. He doesn't like the term Nu-Metal because to him, it doesn't mean anything.

And you'd have to understand where he's coming from to understand that statement. Over the years, Nu-Metal stopped being used to describe bands like KoRn and Coal Chamber, who fused funk, rap, hip hop, rock and metal together and started simply being used by some people to describe any popular, main stream band that had some ounce of heaviness to them. It stopped having a meaning and just became a term people flung around at anything and everything. That's what he means. The term means nothing anymore and he wants nothing to do with a term that means nothing.

The second paragraph is your opinion. Have that all you like. I disagree with it. KoRn are completely original.

[Shinigami]

There are two disgruntled employees under a corporate fatcat. But one of them just had a bad week at work. That is the only reason he's disgruntled. Otherwise he likes he job, and he likes his business. It's a successful relationship. So to vent his frustration, he might come in one day without a tie or something. That is his way of rebelling. That is his way of vindicating himself of his stress, or of his company's control. It doesn't affect the business, the job, and chances are nobody is really going to notice. Afterwards, he clips his cheap tie back on and resumes work. This guy is our mainstream music artist. Because chances are, Korn likes their label. Mainstream popcorn artists are to music as focus-grouped movies are to film. The control and input of corporations actually helps their profit. They've found success together. But maybe the corporate control frustrates people for one week out of a very productive year, so they vent with some song. This is fine. There is no reason to get in Korn's face because they didn't bring down their corporation, or completely distance themselves from their label. They just vented. It's not their problem if dozens of angsty teens decided differently; it's not our Good Worker's fault if some impressionable youngsters across the street saw him without a tie and idolized him as some anti-establishment radical who is totally sticking it to the man. Be pissed at the stupid kids for misinterpretting. Yes, Korn might have played the whole thing up, but you have to be pretty impressionable to buy into it in the first place.

...oh shit, I went off on a tangent and left things hanging. Ahem. The other disgruntled employee absolutely hates his job and his corporation. He not only quits - he sabotages his company's earnings. He is actually sticking it to the man. He is the independant artist. He is the nine inch nails.

Together, they are apples and oranges! And they should never be compared. Even assuming that one has integrity and another doesn't is hurtling over subjective ground. Apples and oranges!

[KingofKings2525]

Neil Diamond fucking rocks!

[Lost in Space]

Korn is just so generic, they sound like so many other bands. Niel Diemond sucks. Go go death metal

[LordSimen]

Shinigami, you expressed what I have been trying to say so much clearer than I could. For this, I thank you. :D

Niel Diemond sucks.

King Diamond on the other hand... Now that's a different story. :cool:

[The Heart Collector]

He said that releasing an album of unlistenable crap was somehow more logical option than actually making music, like a musician should. That is illogical no matter how you spin it.

YES IT IS LOGICAL.


WHEN WORKERS GO ON STRIKE, DO THEY KEEP DOING PRODUCTS FOR THE COMPANY THEY ARE STRIKING AGAINST? WHEN A COAL MINER GOES ON STRIKE, DOES HE CONTINUE TO WORK AT THE MINES WHILE SAYING "MAN MY BOSS CAN SUCK A DICK"?

WHEN THE WRITERS WENT ON STRIKE, DID THEY CONTINUE TO MAKE PRODUCTS FOR THE TELEVISION AND FILM INDUSTRY, JUST WITH LITTLE DIALOGUE LIKE "MAN FUCK YOU INDUSTRY" IN BETWEEN LOCKE TALKING TO THE ISLAND?!?

[KingofKings2525]

Korn is just so generic, they sound like so many other bands. Niel Diemond sucks. Go go death metal


I've read this entire argument and haven't really given two shits about it but if you want to bring up death metal... now we can start talking about the worst music EVER made. Seriously, who listens to that shit? Death Metal is awful.

[LordSimen]

YES IT IS LOGICAL.

A musician's job is to write music and do the best they can. If they decided to skip out on it and not make music that's listenable on purpose, then fuck them. If they're under contract to do 3 albums, then make the 3 best albums they can and then move on. Don't make one album of completely unlistenable noise. That makes no sense.


WHEN WORKERS GO ON STRIKE, DO THEY KEEP DOING PRODUCTS FOR THE COMPANY THEY ARE STRIKING AGAINST? WHEN A COAL MINER GOES ON STRIKE, DOES HE CONTINUE TO WORK AT THE MINES WHILE SAYING "MAN MY BOSS CAN SUCK A DICK"

If they were going on strike they wouldn't write any music. Period.


WHEN THE WRITERS WENT ON STRIKE, DID THEY CONTINUE TO MAKE PRODUCTS FOR THE TELEVISION AND FILM INDUSTRY, JUST WITH LITTLE DIALOGUE LIKE "MAN FUCK YOU INDUSTRY" IN BETWEEN LOCKE TALKING TO THE ISLAND?!?

The writer's stopped writing completely. They didn't turn in faulty scripts and horrible movie scripts just to fuck over the industry. Big difference.

[The Heart Collector]

Who cares what the record label was happy with? At the end of the day KORN was happy with THEIR album, which is more important than your pathetic little rebellion you seem to think they should have started.


What the fuck? how can you even argue this? What do you mean "who cares what the record label was happy with"? THE ENTIRE SONG IS ABOUT THE RECORD LABELS BEING HAPPY. Are you fucking kidding me? You can't argue this way, for fuck's sake. You can't pretend that the INTENT and the RESULT aren't important. how can you even pretend this is a valid line of argument? You are saying that the band were giving a big "fuck you" to the label, yet are willing to ignore the fact that the label welcomed it with open arms and made a profit of it, which completely undermines any point they were making.

The music video for it has a bunch of comments about how only some labels are in control of the business, how only a small percent of videos and songs get airplay, etc. So the fuck what? Is Korn outraged at this? does Korn think music should be more fair? If so, why are they STILL ON A MAJOR LABEL? THEIR CONTRACT EXPIRED. AND THEY SIGNED TO YET ANOTHER MAJOR LABEL. BECAUSE THEY REAP THE BENEFITS OF THAT CONTROLLED AIRPLAY, THEY REAP THE BENEFITS OF PAYOLA, THEY SUCK FROM THE TEAT OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY WHILE CONNING IMPRESSIONABLE YOUTHS LIKE YOU INTO THINKING THEY'RE REBELLING AGAINST IT.

[The Heart Collector]

The writer's stopped writing completely. They didn't turn in faulty scripts and horrible movie scripts just to fuck over the industry. Big difference.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore. What, that releasing Metal Machine Music was wrong? THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KORN'S INTEGRITY. WHICH IS NONEXISTENT.

KORN RAN INTO A PROBLEM. THEIR SOLUTION: WHINE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, AND PROFIT FROM IT, AND CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE PROBLEM WHILE ALIGNING THEMSELVES WITH THE RECORD INDUSTRY. THE WRITERS ACTUALLY FOUGHT FOR CHANGE, AND GOT SOME CHANGE. KORN WERENT INTERESTED IN CHANGE, BECAUSE THEIR "FUCK YOU" WASN'T FOR HONORABLE REASONS, OR FOR LEGITIMATE REASONS, IT WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE DARED TO SUGGEST THEY MAKE SINGLES. AN UNWORTHY CAUSE, AN UNWORTHY ATTEMPT AT ATTACKING IT, ET CE TERA ET CE TE RA E T C E T ER A

[LordSimen]

What the fuck? how can you even argue this? What do you mean "who cares what the record label was happy with"? THE ENTIRE SONG IS ABOUT THE RECORD LABELS BEING HAPPY. Are you fucking kidding me? You can't argue this way, for fuck's sake. You can't pretend that the INTENT and the RESULT aren't important. how can you even pretend this is a valid line of argument? You are saying that the band were giving a big "fuck you" to the label, yet are willing to ignore the fact that the label welcomed it with open arms and made a profit of it, which completely undermines any point they were making.

They were upset and created a song that vented their frustration. They still enjoy their contracts and the security they gain by being signed to a major label. The tours will come, the music will be distributed and they will get top of the line equipment to record their albums. They were just mad at being asked to write a "single." So they vented, and wrote a single. It's pretty simple. And yes, who cares if the label welcomed it with open arms. They doesn't matter. What does matter is that they made a song they were happy with and vented their frustrations with the label.

It was no different than signing onto a message board and posting a rant on a rant board. They just did it with a song.


The music video for it has a bunch of comments about how only some labels are in control of the business, how only a small percent of videos and songs get airplay, etc. So the fuck what? Is Korn outraged at this? does Korn think music should be more fair? If so, why are they STILL ON A MAJOR LABEL? THEIR CONTRACT EXPIRED. AND THEY SIGNED TO YET ANOTHER MAJOR LABEL. BECAUSE THEY REAP THE BENEFITS OF THAT CONTROLLED AIRPLAY, THEY REAP THE BENEFITS OF PAYOLA, THEY SUCK FROM THE TEAT OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY WHILE CONNING IMPRESSIONABLE YOUTHS LIKE YOU INTO THINKING THEY'RE REBELLING AGAINST IT.

They made the video because as they started looking up the facts, they became shocked to realize how true they all were. And how even they, themselves, fell into many of the categories listed and were guilty of many of the facts as well. The video was designed to make people aware. That's all. It's like those commercials on T.V. awaring people of the dangers of smoking. That's all it was. It was NOT intended to be the guy who runs into the smoking factory and bombs it.

[LordSimen]

I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue anymore. What, that releasing Metal Machine Music was wrong? THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH KORN'S INTEGRITY. WHICH IS NONEXISTENT.


Releasing a music for the sole purpose of it being unlistenable removes any musical integrity they could possibly have. And no, I disagree with you. Korn's integrity is completely intact.


KORN RAN INTO A PROBLEM. THEIR SOLUTION: WHINE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT, AND PROFIT FROM IT, AND CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE PROBLEM WHILE ALIGNING THEMSELVES WITH THE RECORD INDUSTRY. THE WRITERS ACTUALLY FOUGHT FOR CHANGE, AND GOT SOME CHANGE. KORN WERENT INTERESTED IN CHANGE, BECAUSE THEIR "FUCK YOU" WASN'T FOR HONORABLE REASONS, OR FOR LEGITIMATE REASONS, IT WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE DARED TO SUGGEST THEY MAKE SINGLES. AN UNWORTHY CAUSE, AN UNWORTHY ATTEMPT AT ATTACKING IT, ET CE TERA ET CE TE RA E T C E T ER A

A minor problem. They solved the minor problem with a venting rant. They signed onto a different label and now don't have to deal with that problem. Where's your argument, again?

[Lost in Space]

LETS ALL WRITE IN CAPITOLS BECAUSE IT NOT ONLY EMPHASIZES OUR POINT BUT IT ALSO HURTS LOST'S EYES.

[The Heart Collector]

Y'AlL Want A Single is the equivalent of Rosa Parks going to the back of the bus, and sorta loudly not really yelling about how whites weren't all that. And then going to the back of the bus again the next day. THIS IS YOUR IDEA OF WHAT A 'FUCK YOU' TO THE ESTABLISHMENT IS.

[Lost in Space]

Y'AlL Want A Single is the equivalent of Rosa Parks going to the back of the bus, and sorta loudly not really yelling about how whites weren't all that. And then going to the back of the bus again the next day. THIS IS YOUR IDEA OF WHAT A 'FUCK YOU' TO THE ESTABLISHMENT IS.

Explain your analogy

[LordSimen]

Y'AlL Want A Single is the equivalent of Rosa Parks going to the back of the bus, and sorta loudly not really yelling about how whites weren't all that. And then going to the back of the bus again the next day. THIS IS YOUR IDEA OF WHAT A 'FUCK YOU' TO THE ESTABLISHMENT IS.

This would make sense if they were trying to be Rosa Parks. They weren't.

[The Heart Collector]

A minor problem. They solved the minor problem with a venting rant. They signed onto a different label and now don't have to deal with that problem. Where's your argument, again?

hahahahahahahaha

they went to ANOTHER major label, and thats not a problem now? hahahahahaha


yeah, so what happened, did they go to the BENEVOLENT major label now?

Mother Theresa's label or something? The label that ISN'T concerned with selling?


The music video complains about the domain that a few have over broadcasting channels. Do you think Korn told their record label "hey, don't use your powers to give us more marketing blitz and airplay... we'll do this shit on our terms".


You don't understand this. Korn are using the very channels they are criticizing, the very things they claim are 'wrong', to benefit them. Their music plays on the radio. They use a major label to get airplay, marketing, and all other costs. how can you not understand that this is wrong IF YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THOSE THINGS? GOD DAMN.

THEIR ARGUMENTS ON THE MUSIC VIDEO AREN'T EVEN ABOUT "A" RECORD LABEL. THEY ARE ABOUT ALL RECORD LABELS, ALL BROADCASTERS, ALL COMMERCIAL PLAYERS IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS. ALL OF WHICH THEY ARE STILL AFFILIATED WITH, BECAUSE THEY ARE TRANSPARENT MONEYMAKERS.

[The Heart Collector]

Explain your analogy

Korn "rebelled" against the music industry by yelling "fuck you" (in a song), yet still actively participate in it (signed on a major label) , reap all of its benefits (publicity, payola, etc), and are a bunch of tools. The character in my example "rebels" against the establishment by yelling "fuck you" (from the back of the bus), while actively participating in it (by being inside the damn bus), and reaping its benefits (getting somewhere on the bus).

On the other hand, Korn saying "no i'm not selling my image like you want me to" wouldn't actually be the equivalent of being Rosa Parks.

[LordSimen]

You don't understand this. Korn are using the very channels they are criticizing, the very things they claim are 'wrong', to benefit them. Their music plays on the radio. They use a major label to get airplay, marketing, and all other costs. how can you not understand that this is wrong IF YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THOSE THINGS? GOD DAMN.

THEIR ARGUMENTS ON THE MUSIC VIDEO AREN'T EVEN ABOUT "A" RECORD LABEL. THEY ARE ABOUT ALL RECORD LABELS, ALL BROADCASTERS, ALL COMMERCIAL PLAYERS IN THE MUSIC BUSINESS. ALL OF WHICH THEY ARE STILL AFFILIATED WITH, BECAUSE THEY ARE TRANSPARENT MONEYMAKERS.


Millions of people say "I Hate My Job" or "Fuck My Boss" every year. Not all of them decide to become rebels and fight against their work, some just say it and move on.

[The Heart Collector]

Releasing a music for the sole purpose of it being unlistenable removes any musical integrity they could possibly have. And no, I disagree with you. Korn's integrity is completely intact.

Why? This is not true. You don't just get to state that. in fact, it is certainly NOT TRUE, since Lou Reed is still seen by many as having artistic integrity regardless of the fact that he released an album that was purposely unlistenable.

Bob Dylan, the most celebrated musician of popular music in the 20th century and one of our greatest artists in general, purposely released a terrible album. How does that mean that Bob Dylan has no musical integrity? Are you seriously, seriously going to stand here, at the Joblo Dot Com Forums, and say that Bob Dylan, one of the greatest icons of culture in America, has less integrity than Korn, because of the album Self-Portrait?


Say it. Say that Bob Dylan has less integrity than Korn because he released a willfully bad album while Korn hasn't. Say it, so that we can finally put this nonsensical thread to rest via the sheer amount of laughter that you'll elicit.

[LordSimen]

Why? This is not true. You don't just get to state that. in fact, it is certainly NOT TRUE, since Lou Reed is still seen by many as having artistic integrity regardless of the fact that he released an album that was purposely unlistenable.

Bob Dylan, the most celebrated musician of popular music in the 20th century and one of our greatest artists in general, purposely released a terrible album. How does that mean that Bob Dylan has no musical integrity? Are you seriously, seriously going to stand here, at the Joblo Dot Com Forums, and say that Bob Dylan, one of the greatest icons of culture in America, has less integrity than Korn, because of the album Self-Portrait?


Say it. Say that Bob Dylan has less integrity than Korn because he released a willfully bad album while Korn hasn't. Say it, so that we can finally put this nonsensical thread to rest via the sheer amount of laughter that you'll elicit.

Bob Dylan blows anyway. Who cares about his artistic integrity? And yes. Willfully releasing a horrible album for the sake of releasing a horrible album, with no intention of trying, destroys your musical integrity. If they had tried to make a good album, and failed, that's one thing. But willfully making shit? Fuck that.

[The Heart Collector]

Millions of people say "I Hate My Job" or "Fuck My Boss" every year. Not all of them decide to become rebels and fight against their work, some just say it and move on.

Yeah, and their statement of "I hate my job" or "I hate my boss" isn't a big fuck you. You started arguing that Y'All Want A Single was a great song, a terrific move by the part of the band, and a great intellectual statement. You. Not me, you. You were the one that sprung to the defense of Korn by claiming their miserable attempt at being rebellious was actually a great "fuck you" to the labels, and in your own words, a "curve ball". YOU. Not me, you. You are moving the goalposts. After you claimed all that nonsense, and after it's been conclusively proven that no, it wasn't a big statement at all, YOU'VE decided to say "WELL IT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE" even after originally claiming it was some sort of great movie IN THIS VERY THREAD.

[The Heart Collector]

Bob Dylan blows anyway. Who cares about his artistic integrity? And yes. Willfully releasing a horrible album for the sake of releasing a horrible album, with no intention of trying, destroys your musical integrity. If they had tried to make a good album, and failed, that's one thing. But willfully making shit? Fuck that.


Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

[The Heart Collector]

Bob Dylan has less integrity than Korn, and Korn is actually a better band than Bob Dylan. END THREAD.

[LordSimen]

Yeah, and their statement of "I hate my job" or "I hate my boss" isn't a big fuck you. You started arguing that Y'All Want A Single was a great song, a terrific move by the part of the band, and a great intellectual statement. You. Not me, you. You were the one that sprung to the defense of Korn by claiming their miserable attempt at being rebellious was actually a great "fuck you" to the labels, and in your own words, a "curve ball". YOU. Not me, you. You are moving the goalposts. After you claimed all that nonsense, and after it's been conclusively proven that no, it wasn't a big statement at all, YOU'VE decided to say "WELL IT WAS NEVER SUPPOSED TO BE" even after originally claiming it was some sort of great movie IN THIS VERY THREAD.

And I stand by the fact that it is a terrific song, an excellent move and and actual intellectual statement. By releasing the song, they made more people aware. That's a good thing.

And yes, it was a curveball. They asked for a single, and KoRn delivered one that not only said "Fuck You" but made people more aware of what the labels are doing. Did it do any mentionable damage? Probably not. Actually, definitely not. But that wasn't the point nor the intention like you seem to think it was.

[LordSimen]

Bob Dylan has less integrity than Korn, and Korn is actually a better band than Bob Dylan. END THREAD.

For a guy who speaks so highly of rebellion you sure do you want people to act like little automoton robots and agree with every word you say and conform to your standards and like whatever you like. Very hypocritical if you ask me.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Your logic makes no sense. You seem to THINK they should act like YOU. They aren't YOU. They aren't RADIOHEAD. They aren't NINE INCH NAILS. They're KORN, and they just wanted to say fuck you. And there's nothing wrong with that. At all.

2+2=5
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Slavery is Freedom

Blah blah blah blah blah.

[LordSimen]

2+2=5
War is Peace
Ignorance is Strength
Slavery is Freedom

Blah blah blah blah blah.

That's definitely how Heart Collector's argument sounds.

[SkyNet]

i like KORN.... one of the few who enjoys their latter shit more than their earlier shit...

that is all

[Scarfather]

Agreed! This is almost better than last night's Lost. :D

Hell, Cos, this is better than last night's Lost.

[The Heart Collector]

This thread delivered so much.

[someguy]

Once you get past the first big argument you'll come to enjoy LordSimen's wacky world of opinions.

"Eli Roth is a genius and Hostel is full of great subtext"
"EDTV is a great movie"
"How The Grinch Stole Christmas 10/10"
"Dane Cook stole nothing from Louis CK"

You can make like a greatest hits compilation of his stuff.

[Shinigami]

Sneaking posts into this thread is like trying to get a soundbite in while bill o'reilly screams at some poor hapless guest, but I just noticed something. Now I want to be on lordsimen's side and all because sheesh, there are like 8 snarky guys tearing him a new internet asshole for some reason, but while reading I found this:

Yeah, and their statement of "I hate my job" or "I hate my boss" isn't a big fuck you. You started arguing that Y'All Want A Single was a great song, a terrific move by the part of the band, and a great intellectual statement. You. Not me, you.

There we go. Lordsimen has been arguing that Korn never intended their song to be any kind of rebellious overthrow, so he goes after theheartcollector for judging them on those extreme terms. But! Before that, Lordsimen must have said something theheartcollector took to mean "this Korn song is a great intellectual statement against the big corporate fatcats!". Which explains why theheartcollector has been on lordsimen's case about it ever since. Um, along with 50 other schmoes who sound like they've been holding long-standing messageboard grudges against people (boo!).
Or! Or, okay, this is one enormous joke I don't understand. But there is one thing I do know: the new episode of Lost better not suck. That last week with Ben was too awesome for the follow-up to blow. I haven't gotten around to seeing it yet because I missed it last night...but if it sucks, I'm blaming this thread. And its negativity. :D
Anyways, now that everyone is giggling about Lost, does that mean the e-storm has passed?

[LordSimen]

Here's what I originally said (in response to Heart Collector's post that first mentioned the song):

Sometimes simplicity speaks volumes more than complexity. In the case of "Ya'll Want a Single," they accomplished not only creating a memorable and catchy anthem that one will never forget, they also gave a giant "Fuck You" to the record industry. Literally. And I love that in your face approach ten times more than that side step approach you prefer. Because we have different tastes. Yours aren't better than mine, and mine aren't better than yours.

That was the point... They asked for a single, so they delivered a single in every way, shape, and form while also saying "Fuck You" to the guys who asked for one. They basically turned it against the industry and hit the industry with a curve ball. I find that to have a lot of intellectual depth and thought put into it.

Here's my final explanation of it:

And I stand by the fact that it is a terrific song, an excellent move and and actual intellectual statement. By releasing the song, they made more people aware. That's a good thing.

And yes, it was a curveball. They asked for a single, and KoRn delivered one that not only said "Fuck You" but made people more aware of what the labels are doing. Did it do any mentionable damage? Probably not. Actually, definitely not. But that wasn't the point nor the intention like you seem to think it was.

If that helps you understand better.

[Lost in Space]

Once you get past the first big argument you'll come to enjoy LordSimen's wacky world of opinions.

"Eli Roth is a genius and Hostel is full of great subtext"
"EDTV is a great movie"
"How The Grinch Stole Christmas 10/10"
"Dane Cook stole nothing from Louis CK"

You can make like a greatest hits compilation of his stuff.

Haha i thought the same thing when i read this thread

[Shinigami]

I finally figured out a thread! What better time to spend my Friday? Ignoring how lame I am for doing this, let's see if I got things right here...

In the case of "Ya'll Want a Single," they accomplished not only creating a memorable and catchy anthem that one will never forget, they also gave a giant "Fuck You" to the record industry. Literally. And I love that in your face approach ten times more than that side step approach you prefer

Theheartcollector: "This can't be a 'giant fuck you' to the record industry, because it HELPS THE RECORD INDUSTRY. THE SINGLE ACTUALLY HELPED THE RECORD INDUSTRY. If the intention of the song was to 'rebel' against their label, the outcome was so fucking ironic because it actually benefitted their fucking label! It's ridiculous. Korn even signed on to a new label once their contract expired. So they write some stupid fucking song that HELPS RECORD LABELS, and all you dumbshits jump all over it like it's some kind of intelligent statement. It's pop-art hypocrisy crap."

LordSimen: "The song made people more aware of what labels were doing. Music fans like you might have already known, but Korn showed it to a much wider audience. To use an example, a "green" independent movie made with 100% environmentally-friendly means might convince its small audience to take better care of the planet. Which is good. On the other hand, a blockbuster mainstream flick made with 100% environmentally UNfriendly means - that still has a message about taking care of the earth - will reach more people. Despite its irony. Some might argue that the end justifies the means. I dunno. That's my opinion."

Theheartcollector continues on aggressively. Lordsimen doesn't sound like he really wants to debate anything, but he keeps dragging it on because the personal insults are pissing him off. Every time he tries to end it by saing "it's just my opinion", then 5 guys pounce in teasing him like punks, and just fire Lordsimen up even more.

[LordSimen]

I finally figured out a thread! What better time to spend my Friday? Ignoring how lame I am for doing this, let's see if I got things right here...



Theheartcollector: "This can't be a 'giant fuck you' to the record industry, because it HELPS THE RECORD INDUSTRY. THE SINGLE ACTUALLY HELPED THE RECORD INDUSTRY. If the intention of the song was to 'rebel' against their label, the outcome was so fucking ironic because it actually benefitted their fucking label! It's ridiculous. Korn even signed on to a new label once their contract expired. So they write some stupid fucking song that HELPS RECORD LABELS, and all you dumbshits jump all over it like it's some kind of intelligent statement. It's pop-art hypocrisy crap."

LordSimen: "The song made people more aware of what labels were doing. Music fans like you might have already known, but Korn showed it to a much wider audience. To use an example, a "green" independent movie made with 100% environmentally-friendly means might convince its small audience to take better care of the planet. Which is good. On the other hand, a blockbuster mainstream flick made with 100% environmentally UNfriendly means - that still has a message about taking care of the earth - will reach more people. Despite its irony. Some might argue that the end justifies the means. I dunno. That's my opinion."

Theheartcollector continues on aggressively. Lordsimen doesn't sound like he really wants to debate anything, but he keeps dragging it on because the personal insults are pissing him off. Every time he tries to end it by saing "it's just my opinion", then 5 guys pounce in teasing him like punks, and just fire Lordsimen up even more.

Haha. To be honest I think you hit the nail on the head.

[therealjohng]

Officially the best thread of the year.


I still find it funny that we are arguing over Korn. A popular band in the late 90's.

[SkyNet]

Once you get past the first big argument you'll come to enjoy LordSimen's wacky world of opinions.

"Eli Roth is a genius and Hostel is full of great subtext"
"EDTV is a great movie"
"How The Grinch Stole Christmas 10/10"
"Dane Cook stole nothing from Louis CK"

You can make like a greatest hits compilation of his stuff.

wow... never realized how much LordSimen and I had in common! I mean, i think Eli Roth kicks ass... i DID Enjoy EDtv, How The Grinch Stole Xmas is a very good Xmas flick and i have heard the Cook and CK clips and ppl try to say Cook Stole bits from Ck when it is plainly a case of similar set ups with different executions... besides, Cook is comical, CK sucks.

So judging by all of that, and having not really read the majority of this thread.. i'll say that i agree with Lord Simen!

[someguy]

SkyNet when you say you agree with LordSimen does that mean you find How The Grinch Stole Christmas to be flawless? I agree with Simen on a lot of things generally too you know.

[BadCoverVersion]

*uppercuts you straight in the balls*

Neil Diamond fucking rocks!

i heart this thread.

[SkyNet]

SkyNet when you say you agree with LordSimen does that mean you find How The Grinch Stole Christmas to be flawless? I agree with Simen on a lot of things generally too you know.

no no.. not flawless... certainly not flawless! Just saying that it is in my yearly rotation of Xmas flicks i watch.

[someguy]

And you're aware he's talking about the Ron Howard version right? :)

[Double-Oh-Zero]

Ah, Limp Bizkit.

That brings back memories of a simpler time for me. I used to enjoy them back in the day, but I recently heard one of their songs again and realized how impressionable I was. Anyone else remember when they topped the charts with Korn? Christ, I feel old.

At least I look somewhat similar to what I did 8 or 9 years ago, which is more than what you can say for Durst. Blimey.


...oops.

[echo_bravo]

I leave for a fucking day and you guys have a 5 page thread debating Korn...ummm wow.

[SkyNet]

And you're aware he's talking about the Ron Howard version right? :)

WHAT?!?! WHAT?!?!

How Dare You Sir, what the fuck do you mean by that??

(im just tryin to stir up some controversy, it seems this thread has lost some of it's appeal)!!

ya... i knew we were talkin aboot the Jim Carrey version... i actually never seen the animated one until last year

[Scarfather]

It really did end when the wall said Korn had more credibility than Dylan.

It's over now, move along, nothing to see here.

[Superplasmatron]

so korn suck, right?

[sarah1980]

well if anyone is interested Durst is on House on monday nite

[DarkKnight81]

Great read, thanks guys.