"Oh no! It's a chick flick! Run for your lives!"

[Tweek]

You know... I've got a colorful collection of DVDs and books. From Sin City to The Sweetest Thing... From The Departed to Anchorman... So I hate the "Oh boo! A chick flick!"...


And I got some really strange crap today from an amiga. She brought over two rentals. Juno and The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. And her words to us (I was with two of our gentlemen friends): I got Juno for you and this one for the rest.

Hi... Um, what the fuck? I've discussed my wanting to see The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford for awhile. I didn't realize I couldn't want to see that and Juno.

Then there's weirdness I get for not liking hip hop. I apologize for not liking the current state of the genre. I apologize for getting offended by the "N" word even though it's bl ack people saying it.

WHO thinks up these demographics? WHO?! :mad:


Well, y'all. I've gots to bounce. Hells yeah. Honest to blog. (obligatory snide Juno reference.) hehe

[The Postmaster General]

I get mixed messages about your rant because on one hand I see you denouncing genre-hating, but then you do it with hip hop. Don't get me wrong, I get that you're not hearing anything you like, but at the same token, most people who hate chick flicks haven't seen anything they like.

[Tweek]

Reading that post I did I get mixed messages too. :(

I wasn't trying to denounce genre-hating, I was trying to denounce pigeonholing a group into liking one thing or another. I mentioned hip hop as I'm also black and I guess to people I meet along the way that means that I'm supposed to like it.


I don't know if the thread title added to the confusion. I couldn't think of anything better.

[sirdizzy]

I'd like to have a frank discussion with a black person about the 'N' word.

But I agree I can enjoy a chick flick with my wife and at the same time enjoy stuff like Sin City.

[EvilHenchman]

I still haven't seen it, but I don't think Juno qualifies as a chick flick. It seems to have a little more meat on its bones, thematically, than say something like, well, The Sweetest Thing.

Personally, I find something like The Sweetest Thing pretty repellent (no offense) in how it panders to its intended audience. But this holds true for me across the board. Be it chick flick, guy flick, ethnic comedy, or whatever. I'm insulted by creative content of any sort that's put out there with little or no imaginative effort whatsoever.

And sirdizzy, I'm curious. What's this frank discussion you're looking to have?

[sirdizzy]

It deals with reverse racism, the acceptance and power of words and would not have to be a bad thing just I would love to hear what someone black feels about the prevelance of the word and how it effects imaging and racism.

[Tweek]

I'd like to have a frank discussion with a black person about the 'N' word.

But I agree I can enjoy a chick flick with my wife and at the same time enjoy stuff like Sin City.

-raises hand- I'm Tweek and I'm a black person. I can guess what you angle you might take on this frank discussion. But I can't stand the "N" word, be it from a black person or otherwise.




I still haven't seen it, but I don't think Juno qualifies as a chick flick. It seems to have a little more meat on its bones, thematically, than say something like, well, The Sweetest Thing.

Personally, I find something like The Sweetest Thing pretty repellent (no offense) in how it panders to its intended audience. But this holds true for me across the board. Be it chick flick, guy flick, ethnic comedy, or whatever. I'm insulted by creative content of any sort that's put out there with little or no imaginative effort whatsoever.

And sirdizzy, I'm curious. What's this frank discussion you're looking to have?

Some might call Juno a chick flick... But you'd be right that it has more "meat on its bones" than The Sweetest Thing. I do like that movie though as it amuses me. :p I can see your side of it though. I will never watch "Norbit" or "Who's Your Caddy?" for instance.

[Tweek]

It deals with reverse racism, the acceptance and power of words and would not have to be a bad thing just I would love to hear what someone black feels about the prevelance of the word and how it effects imaging and racism.

This post snuck by me. Reverse racism is an odd phrase, eh? Doesn't it still count as pure racism?

[bigred760]

My two favorite "chick-flicks" are Casablanca and The Princess Bride (I own the former), so I guess I can't bash chick-flicks entirely. I kind of hate the current state of the genre in that they're predictable, cliche, and mostly rom-coms nowadays. But being a guy, I can say that it's difficult to go wrong with chick-flicks when on a date . . . works every time (almost).

[sirdizzy]

No what I see reverse racism in regards to the N word is that is acceptable for a black person to use the word but not a white person. If the word is bad and derogatory then it shouldn't be used at all not matter who it used by. You can't call someone a nigger even if you are black and they are your friend and then get offended when a white person calls you a nigger back.

If you have give the N word the power to be a positive and negative word then all should be allowed to use it. If its only ok for a black person to use the word then its a racist word and its reverse racism because a white person cannot use the word. I believe there is more reverse racism that goes on currently than racism. I also believe that black people are not the primary people that our hurt by racism anymore, the number one target for racism currently would be Mexicans in my opinion.


And that boils down to the power we give words. Look at the word fuck, one of the most powerful words in the world but people will change the word to frak (one of my favorite shows Battlestar Galatica) or freaking and then all of a sudden the word is ok and doesn't set off any censors. But the word really doesn't lose its power even if you change a few letters. If I told you to go frak yourself you would still get what I meant and the word would still maintain most of its power.

The N word is one of the powerful words. And if black people don't want to see themselves as Niggers then why do they use it so frequently. Oh and you can all you want that by a black person calling another black person Nigger it has a different meaning. See thats the power of the word, its not really changed it power or meaning but somehow its allowed.

I just would like to hear what a black person thinks of the word and its power.

[Tweek]

My two favorite "chick-flicks" are Casablanca and The Princess Bride (I own the former), so I guess I can't bash chick-flicks entirely. I kind of hate the current state of the genre in that they're predictable, cliche, and mostly rom-coms nowadays. But being a guy, I can say that it's difficult to go wrong with chick-flicks when on a date . . . works every time (almost).

Yeah, I too hate the current state of the genre.

If we're going to talk about pandering, let's discuss oh... 27 Dresses, Sex and the City... Meh.




No what I see reverse racism in regards to the N word is that is acceptable for a black person to use the word but not a white person. If the word is bad and derogatory then it shouldn't be used at all not matter who it used by. You can't call someone a nigger even if you are black and they are your friend and then get offended when a white person calls you a nigger back.

If you have give the N word the power to be a positive and negative word then all should be allowed to use it. If its only ok for a black person to use the word then its a racist word and its reverse racism because a white person cannot use the word. I believe there is more reverse racism that goes on currently than racism. I also believe that black people are not the primary people that our hurt by racism anymore, the number one target for racism currently would be Mexicans in my opinion.

The N word is one of the powerful words. And if black people don't want to see themselves as Niggers then why do they use it so frequently. Oh and you can all you want that by a black person calling another black person Nigger it has a different meaning. See thats the power of the word, its not really changed it power or meaning but somehow its allowed.

I just would like to hear what a black person thinks of the word and its power.

I agree with you except for the number one target of racism bit. And a couple of posts up I said my opinion and that I'm black.

http://www.joblo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2728866&postcount=7


I still don't get that it's reverse racism. You seem to realize there are more than two races and people in the world aren't merely black and white. I've had that word thrown at me by people who aren't Caucasian.

[solidstealth]

No what I see reverse racism in regards to the N word is that is acceptable for a black person to use the word but not a white person. If the word is bad and derogatory then it shouldn't be used at all not matter who it used by. You can't call someone a nigger even if you are black and they are your friend and then get offended when a white person calls you a nigger back.

i think it's the history behind the word... hearing a black person say the n-word has a completely different historical and contextual connotation than when a white person says it, imo...

[LordSimen]

I enjoy chick flicks.




















... That is all. :cool:

[The Postmaster General]

Tweek, I'm confused. Why can't I, as a white person, call you the n-word in good spirits, because other black people do?

Is that sort of like how my friends and I would sometimes call one another dumbasses, but if an outsider did, it's be insulting?

As I white person, I become confused by the lack of mainstream cultural acceptance of me emulating the profane elements black culture.

[Tweek]

Tweek, I'm confused. Why can't I, as a white person, call you the n-word in good spirits, because other black people do?

Is that sort of like how my friends and I would sometimes call one another dumbasses, but if an outsider did, it's be insulting?

As I white person, I become confused by the lack of mainstream cultural acceptance of me emulating the profane elements black culture.

I'm confused as well... We can get through this. Are you sarcastically pointing out the fact that I kept mentioning that I'm black?...

Or are you asking a sincere question? Because I already said I don't like anyone using the word in my presence, whatever race they may be, whatever context.

[EvilHenchman]

No what I see reverse racism in regards to the N word is that is acceptable for a black person to use the word but not a white person. If the word is bad and derogatory then it shouldn't be used at all not matter who it used by. You can't call someone a nigger even if you are black and they are your friend and then get offended when a white person calls you a nigger back.

If you have give the N word the power to be a positive and negative word then all should be allowed to use it. If its only ok for a black person to use the word then its a racist word and its reverse racism because a white person cannot use the word. I believe there is more reverse racism that goes on currently than racism.


Well, it's not really that simple. It's all about context. And intent. There are several epithets that have that same sort of duality about them, that have taken on a meaning different from their malicious origins. Cunt. Fag. Queer. Nigger just has a higher profile. Coming the wrong way out of the wrong mouth - white or black - it could still be offensive. To someone. (I know some white people who are actually ashamed of the word.)

Anyway, to me, the word nigger as a racial epithet in our society has little to no power at all anymore (And I'm black also, if that wasn't already clear or known). In another 20 to 30 years I imagine it will be even further defanged.

And BigRed, if Casablanca's a chick flick, then it's the best one ever.

[vesaker]

i've enjoyed a few chick flicks in my day but i also think that term is pretty board sometimes. Like i might call something a romantic comedy while someone else might call it a chick flick.

[The Postmaster General]

I'm confused as well... We can get through this. Are you sarcastically pointing out the fact that I kept mentioning that I'm black?...

Or are you asking a sincere question? Because I already said I don't like anyone using the word in my presence, whatever race they may be, whatever context.


The post was satirical in nature, but you were not the topic of ridicule. I'm pointing out the fact that many people think in the same nature as the manner in which I posted.

I think geek and nerd are similar, less emotionally-charged, types of terms as that N-word. History of the words aside, they were both intended to cause harm upon the integrity of a group of people. Both words also became embraced by the offending group. In both cases, however, use of the word by and outsider, even in good intentions, can be taken under a different context.

In addition to that element, it's a lot like in Goodfellas when Tommy gives Billy Batts a beatdown. While we'd seen Tommy losing his cool before, and not taking ball busting for anyone --- when Billy does it, Tommy goes over the edge because Batts hit a nerve making light of where Tommy came from. I bet if Henry or Jimmy had brought up Tommy shining shoes, he wouldn't have gotten nearly as offended.

[Lady Stardust]

Let's stop talking about the "n" word guys
before this gets locked.

[HoyleHaw]

Let's stop talking about the "n" word guys
before this gets locked.

I second that motion.

[The Postmaster General]

With that being said, this was probably the most mature discussion we've had on this topic here on these boards. It didn't even get heated.

Well, let's clean it up as to not ruin the fun for anybody who's sole interest in the thread is apparently to keep it from getting locked.

Peace out, schmoes.

[EvilHenchman]

I bet if Henry or Jimmy had brought up Tommy shining shoes, he wouldn't have gotten nearly as offended.

Tommy would've beaten down his own mother if she cracked wise about his fucking shinebox. He was a crazy little mofo.

[The Postmaster General]

Tommy would've beaten down his own mother if she cracked wise about his fucking shinebox. He was a crazy little mofo.


I disagree. The "You're a funny guy!" scene says differently.

[KingofKings2525]

Sirdizzy, I think you may have "nigger" and "nigga" mixed up. Because I don't know any black people who like being called a "nigger" no matter what race is calling them that, including the black race.

Personally, I've never heard one black person call another black person a nigger but rather "nigga". It's all about context and slang now. Different cultures give words new definitions through slang all the time. Nigga is buddy, pal, friend, homie, guy, girl. While nigger is usually perceived as a slave term aimed to bring a black person down.

In my opinion, nobody should ever use the word nigger toward an individual or group of people because it is directly related to slavery. There is absolutely no good reason to use that word whether you are black, white, mexican, chinese, alien, male, female, comedian, etc...

As a side question, why are you concerned with reverse racism? Do you feel the need to call blacks, niggers? I'm not calling you a racist but the thought process of reverse racism can be simply answered with old "just because they do it doesn't me you should."

Oh, and... Juno is not a chick flik ;)

[g1ng3rsnap9ed]

I for the most part dislike the average chick-flick,however I liked Juno b/c it had a good story and wasnt about bashing men for thinking w/ their cocks,and Ginger Snaps,my favorite film is female oriented.About the N word I am in high school and hear it on a daily basis quite frequently,I also was born with a racist family,and have grown a strong loathing towards such a hateful word so my apollogies to any black person whose had to deal with it,which in today's time is surelly all of them.

[Tagia_Romero]

You know what is truly ironic, though? The word 'nigger' was a derogatory term for a stupid person, it had absolutely nothing to do with race or the colour of skin. It simply meant 'idiot', 'simpleton', 'fool' and other such phrases. Of course that changed...

[Dragula]

I enjoy chick flicks.




















... That is all. :cool:

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[KCJ506]

I'm black and I don't use the "N' word. I can't even remember the last time I said it. The only time I say it is when I'm quoting someone else.

I do however get a little annoyed when I'm called that.

[marcia brady]

Chick flicks/good
N word/bad

[dellamorte dellamore]

I like chick flicks , but the more realistic ones that don't gloss over certain realities about the female species , and what they really think and go through in life , but the mainstream wants to see some fantasy world were everything works out allright and every problem is solved in that hollywood way .


I would recommend

Rosetta

Dreamlife of Angels

B Monkey

Croupier ( more a guy flick but the relationships are believable in this one )

He loves me not


These films are definite chick flicks , but not the glossy , pandering kind , they all show different sides of the female experience , the vulnerable , obsessive and empowering side .