Seriously muslims, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

[echo_bravo]

So I saw Iron Man this weekend and my friends and I all fuckin loved it. I went back to my apartment and logged on to the imdb to see what all those goons had to say and sure enough there were idiots there complaining about the dumbest shit.

Some shit that I read:
"I am a muslim and was deeply offended by this Pro American Progaganda"

Then there was a thread which is still probably going strong right now if it hasnt been deleted already:
"Blatant Pro USA Movie designed to make Arabs out as Terorrists"


Honestly, these people need to just rub one out or get fuckin laid cause the PC bullshit in this country is getting out of hand.

I appauld Jon Favreau for using Middle Easterners as the terrorist and not going with some stupid bullshit like evil Irish Nazi monks as the bad guys. He wanted to keep it somewhat relevent and realistic to what is going on in todays world so kudos to him.

Also the Arab terrorist werent really the only bad guy. The US was doing some double dealing with them so they could be held accountable too.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Maybe they can issue a fatwa against the filmmakers which would in turn boost sales. It worked for Rushdie.

[Tweek]

So I saw Iron Man this weekend and my friends and I all fuckin loved it. I went back to my apartment and logged on to the imdb to see what all those goons had to say and sure enough there were idiots there complaining about the dumbest shit.

Some shit that I read:
"I am a muslim and was deeply offended by this Pro American Progaganda"

Then there was a thread which is still probably going strong right now if it hasnt been deleted already:
"Blatant Pro USA Movie designed to make Arabs out as Terorrists"


Honestly, these people need to just rub one out or get fuckin laid cause the PC bullshit in this country is getting out of hand.

I appauld Jon Favreau for using Middle Easterners as the terrorist and not going with some stupid bullshit like evil Irish Nazi monks as the bad guys. He wanted to keep it somewhat relevent and realistic to what is going on in todays world so kudos to him.

Also the Arab terrorist werent really the only bad guy. The US was doing some double dealing with them so they could be held accountable too.

You read that stuff on IMDb... Of course it's going to be stupid (not everything on that site is, but we can all agree about a good portion of it.)

Pro-USA movie? Of course... Am I missing the reason why it SHOULDN'T be? Iron Man was created by an American and takes place in the US. Ugh, people suck. LOL

[Brendan M.]

I remember hearing the same thing regarding 300. Why shouldn't it be pro-American? Its a fucking American movie

I only have one thing to say in response:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI&feature=related

[Scarfather]

This thread title is more offensive than anything in the movie.

[the saw is family]

This thread title is more offensive than anything in the movie.

bingo we have a winner.

[The Postmaster General]

Seriously Muslims who saw Iron Man this weekend, and... went... and... posted on IMDb about....

Hey, are you sure these posts aren't from the usual band of IMDb weirdos looking to inflame people? Like the Big Migration of 2006, when IMDb inexplicably became the number one place in the world, over TV, magazine, and radio, for Mexicans to vent their offense being taken at Nacho Libre?

[BakeTheMooCow]

IMDb is generally full of batshit douchebags, but when combined with the tendency of Muslims to over-react to every little thing - you can never expect anything resembling normalcy. Actually, the fact that they haven't rioted in the streets calling for Jon Favreau's head is indication that they're being pretty cool about this.

[JJFlamingo]

Funny how when we see negative portrayals of Christians as "bad people" (Da Vinci Code, Mist, etc.), we don't hear much controversy, but when the precious MUSLIMS are denigrated (Iron Man, that dutch documentary, etc.), all they talk about is how they wanna kill people, and how horrible it is that they are portrayed that way, haha...:D

[SatansPuppet]

Funny thing is... While I was sat watching it... I did wonder why they went the muslin terrorist route, especially with all of Iron mans back history... :P

But to each their own...

[Sonny Corleone]

Maybe they wouldn't be portrayed as terrorists if they didn't blow themselves up and kill innocent people in the name of allah or whatever the fuck.

And don't get me wrong, I know there are alot of cool muslim people around but overseas alot of them are maniacs.

[Moviefan1234]

This thread title is more offensive than anything in the movie.

Yep, not cool echo_bravo. You shouldn't have titled it like that. It's makes you look like a stereotypical, evangelical, conservative who is against any religion except theirs. As for the movie, there's nothing that is racist. They're Muslim terrorists, just like there are the the real world. They're just trying to get a rise out of people on IMDB.

[Gordon]

Why don't you change Muslims to Religious Lunatics, considering the Jews and the Christians have done complained about the same shit in much greater volumes.

[Shinigami]

Seriously muslims, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!
but when combined with the tendency of Muslims to over-react to every little thing - you can never expect anything resembling normalcy
but when the precious MUSLIMS are denigrated (Iron Man, that dutch documentary, etc.), all they talk about is how they wanna kill people, and how horrible it is that they are portrayed that way, haha
Maybe they wouldn't be portrayed as terrorists if they didn't blow themselves up and kill innocent people in the name of allah or whatever the fuck.



Holy shit, guys.

[Tweek]

Holy shit, guys.

Yep.

And Gordon, Religious Lunatic/Fanatic or better yet, Extremist might be a better term because it's more specific than lumping an ENTIRE group of people. Plus, yeah there are other religions that have their own extremists.

[Psychocandy]

Saw the title of this thread. First thought that went through my head? This has the potential to get ugly. Fast.

[Buck Turgidson]

This kind of thing has been creeping into the regular forums for a while, now. It's the major reason I stay out of Gossip these days.

I stay out of the Politics forum to avoid this stuff (and also to avoid putting my status here in jeopardy.) It might be a good idea to outline some rules about this, because I am pretty tired of having it up in my face when I'm trying to read about movies or other forms of entertainment.

[Jon Lyrik]

Isn't this more a rant against idiots on IMDb? Either way, lumping in IMDbers with double-digit IQs with the guy who shot Theo Van Gogh is a pretty big stretch.

[jackson13]

I think everyone in here needs to


http://kenny.smoovenet.com/grabpics/terrance.gif

"Hey, relax guy!"

[krazy drako]

Honestly, these people need to just rub one out or get fuckin laid cause the PC bullshit in this country is getting out of hand.


Yeah, courtesy is overrated. :confused:

[solidstealth]

This thread title is more offensive than anything in the movie.

ding ding ding, correct

and you lost me at imdb...

[The Heart Collector]

Americans have never complained about their depiction in international films, or about "anti-American" sentiment.

[BanksIsDaFuture]

Pure ignorance at it's best....

[Tweek]

I think everyone in here needs to


http://kenny.smoovenet.com/grabpics/terrance.gif

"Hey, relax guy!"

I'm not your guy, friend!;)

[The Heart Collector]

Seriously, that post was ironic or what? It's such a ridiculously cartoonish stereotype of Americans to just say "AW YOU NEED TO GET LAID BRAHHH! DOWN PC!" that I have to assume the opening post is a meta joke.

Except this isn't your first thread about this. You also bitched about Iranians being offended by 300, and you also bitched about muslims having the gall to be offended by the danish cartoons, so what's the deal? is this your new gimmick? MuslimWatch or something? THE MUSLIMS SAID SOMETHING, GOTTA POST DAT SHIT ON JOBLO.COM BRAH. Is that it or what?

[Gordon]

Scares the shit out of me that these are for the most part fairly intellegent and well-off people.

[echo_bravo]

I also want to add that this is like your nth thread complaining about muslims here. Fantastic. Since you've filled your quota for the next few months, maybe you can make one next week about the jews.

Haha how are you still allowed to post here?

Anyways why would I post something about the Jews they dont bitch about anything. My main gripe is that a lot of muslims dont want to looked at as the bad guy...hey, I can understand that. But they got to understand that Muslim extremism is basically the main cause for all the worlds problems right now so why the hell should we have to brush it under the rug?

Relax guy.:D

[The Heart Collector]

Muslim extremism isn't the cause of the problems of the majority of the problems in the world.

[echo_bravo]

This thread title is more offensive than anything in the movie.

Oh please. If I would of made a rant titled "Seriously Christians, shut the fuck up" you would of loved it haha.;)

[krazy drako]

I'm not your guy, friend!;)

I'm not your friend, buddy!

[jackson13]

I'm not your friend, buddy!

I'm not your buddy, guy!

[Tweek]

I'm not your buddy, guy!

Serously, this thread could go on like this for awhile... It ends here!:mad:

[JohnLocke2342]

didnt think it was that big of a deal personally, people needa lighten up.

[thedudeman69]

They seriously have nothing else to do? I mean, come on.

[SatansPuppet]

Maybe they wouldn't be portrayed as terrorists if they didn't blow themselves up and kill innocent people in the name of allah or whatever the fuck.

And don't get me wrong, I know there are alot of cool muslim people around but overseas alot of them are maniacs.


Have you visited the Muslims Overseas? I imagine people losing families by having US bombs dropped on your house could lead to extremeism especially since the culture is about respect and pride (unless you're a woman, then you're screwed...) but I digress... You should go and listen to Henry Rollins or pop along to one of his spoken word tours... he's funny, he's political but he'll never force His opinion on ya, he'll back it up with facts :)

Put it this way, President Bush can't do a speech without fouling up, this leads 'overseas' people like myself to belive that all americans are idiots because of one mans actions :)

See how it works, you may be the coolest dude on the planet but because of one person on TV and News reports, I'm lead to believe he's an idiot as a political leader and therfore his country must be full of idiots too... Stupidity By Association...

[jackson13]

Serously, this thread could go on like this for awhile... It ends here!:mad:

Party pooper!

[EVILxxx]

And weren't the terrorists in Iron Man multinational not just consisting of Muslims. I remember some being Hungarian.
Anyways this is a rant so it isn't going to be worded in the most pc fashion so I think we can cut the thread some slack. If I were one of those offended I'd probably direct my anger at the extremists and not the film makers.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Funny how when we see negative portrayals of Christians as "bad people" (Da Vinci Code, Mist, etc.), we don't hear much controversy, but when the precious MUSLIMS are denigrated (Iron Man, that dutch documentary, etc.), all they talk about is how they wanna kill people, and how horrible it is that they are portrayed that way, haha...:D

What are you talking about? Seriously? When it comes to entertainment, Christians are often the most obnoxiously outspoken. In fact, a lot of people have made a healthy living primarily off of bitching and organizing boycotts. And not even when it's them being portrayed negatively. It could be over an exposed tit or an unkind reference to childbearing. Sometimes you can only imagine the murderous rage that boils behind the bulbous eyes in their shapeless heads. If we lived in a country that was essentially lawless in which the government had a less secure grasp internally, Americans could certainly respond in the same way.

Of course, the immediate response to this is obviously, "OH BUT NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE LIKE THAT!!!!!!!1111", and therefore the cycle is completed.



Anyways why would I post something about the Jews they dont bitch about anything.

This is funny because it couldn't be further from the truth.

[Potzer! 37]

Who said they were Muslim...I just got back from seeing it and I'm not even sure what country they were centered in...they were middle east soilders...aside from that, who knows what they are or what they believe.

[JJFlamingo]

What are you talking about? Seriously? When it comes to entertainment, Christians are often the most obnoxiously outspoken. In fact, a lot of people have made a healthy living primarily off of bitching and organizing boycotts. And not even when it's them being portrayed negatively. It could be over an exposed tit or an unkind reference to childbearing. Sometimes you can only imagine the murderous rage that boils behind the bulbous eyes in their shapeless heads. If we lived in a country that was essentially lawless in which the government had a less secure grasp internally, Americans could certainly respond in the same way.

Of course, the immediate response to this is obviously, "OH BUT NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE LIKE THAT!!!!!!!1111", and therefore the cycle is completed.


When was the last time the Pope put out a death sentence on someone who denigrated his religion?? :D

[RicochetShaw]

Who said they were Muslim...I just got back from seeing it and I'm not even sure what country they were centered in...they were middle east soilders...aside from that, who knows what they are or what they believe.


It says, explicitly, Afghanistan... three times. It says it on the screen at the beginning of the film, and then when Leslie Bibb's character is showing Downey Jr pictures of his weapons at his philanthrophy party she says "these were taken in a small town in Afghanistan." Then he goes home and sees a CNN report showing coverage from Afghanistan.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

When was the last time the Pope put out a death sentence on someone who denigrated his religion?? :D

For your sake, I really hope that smiley indicates sarcasm.

[Digifruitella]

My main gripe is that a lot of muslims dont want to looked at as the bad guy...hey, I can understand that.


Apparently you can't understand that, so why is it your gripe?

But they got to understand that Muslim extremism is basically the main cause for all the worlds problems right now so why the hell should we have to brush it under the rug?

Exactly how does a suicide bomber cause global warming, hunger, unemployment, genocide, racism, etc, etc, E.T.C...

maybe if U.S.A. didn't rape countries like Iraq, or establish their bases in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other major middle eastern oil producers, people wouldn't be flying planes into buildings, or blow themselves up on the streets of Baghdad.

[HoyleHaw]

This has to be one of the more inane rants I've come across. The kind I just gotta respond to, however hypocritical that phrasing may sound.

I'm not Muslim, but as someone who does have a respect for the everyday working Muslim who isn't a blow hard with an ax to grind (whether they should be or not is another story), or a fundamentalist who wants to die a martyr and get a bunch of virgins and rivers of milk and honey, I'd like to point out at least one thing that comes to mind from the OP. Afghanistan is not located in the Middle East. And Afghanis are not Arabs (though Osama bin Laden and his cronies, largely, are).

Now, I'd like to address why this rant is even going on. You went to IMDb and saw what either some blow hards with an ax to grind had to say, or some jerks posing as such, which, granted is unlikely, but you never know. In any normal circumstances, that shouldn't warrant anything. The sooner you forget about it, the better.

As for whoever wrote those posts, I weep for them, really and truly. I weep for anyone who is able to make something out of nothing. The bad guys are a multinational group led by an Afghani warlord who wants to take back the Mongolian empire. Afghanistan is full of warlords vying for power right now, not to mention a resurgence of Taliban. The only reason somebody like Obediah Stane could do business with those guys was they weren't fighting a local power struggle, they were after bigger fish.

Oh, and remember when they're causing atrocities in that village? They had CAMERAS! And news was actually COVERING it. That's what I love about Hollywood, it lets us imagine a world with integrity.

P.S.

"300", unlike "Iron Man", had a small army of Spartans going against what is now modern-day Iran. It's a metaphor, and while I doubt Zack Snyder intended any message by that, the whole idea is eerily close to what the Bush regime has been talking about for the last year or so. I never thought I'd be glad our country's run by chickenhawks, or else we'd be at war with them right now with Bush at the lead. Wait, would that be bad?

[EVILxxx]

It says, explicitly, Afghanistan... three times. It says it on the screen at the beginning of the film, and then when Leslie Bibb's character is showing Downey Jr pictures of his weapons at his philanthrophy party she says "these were taken in a small town in Afghanistan." Then he goes home and sees a CNN report showing coverage from Afghanistan.

They all spoke different languages. Stark's co-captive says he can't understand one of them because he is speaking Hungarian.

maybe if U.S.A. didn't rape countries like Iraq, or establish their bases in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other major middle eastern oil producers, people wouldn't be flying planes into buildings, or blow themselves up on the streets of Baghdad.

Bin Laden's spite can initially be traced back to when the Saudi Royal Family rejected his help of using his Mujahadeen to fight Sadamm in the Gulf War. So it is far more complicated than what you state.
Our efforts in Lebanon and Somalia were pretty noble all things considered and we still get rows of flag draped coffins for the trouble.

[Shockwave]

Its IMDb!!!



What did u expect?

3/4 of all the posts made there are for the purpose of starting shit like this.:mad:

[God of War]

This thread is so funny. :)

[yorrick brown]

This thread is turning into IMDB :(.

[JJFlamingo]

For your sake, I really hope that smiley indicates sarcasm.

Maybe so, or maybe I made a point that you can't respond to because you know I'm right, The Pope, nor any other Christian leader have ever pronounced a sentence of DEATH on anyone who blasphemes or puts down the Christian faith, and encourages his followers to carry out the sentence in due time. Now, if you have a productive counterpoint to that, let's hear it, or just admit your argument is lost "for my sake"...:D

[echo_bravo]

And weren't the terrorists in Iron Man multinational not just consisting of Muslims. I remember some being Hungarian.
Anyways this is a rant so it isn't going to be worded in the most pc fashion so I think we can cut the thread some slack. If I were one of those offended I'd probably direct my anger at the extremists and not the film makers.

Yep good point. And if anyone else noticed Tom Morello (of Rage Againist the Machine) was one of the terrorists as well.

Anyways, didnt mean to offend anyone on here if you want to close this or change the thread title that is fine by me.

My MAIN GRIPE is that its stupid of some muslims to complain about Iron Man...thats it. I feel if Jon Faverau or any other director wants to have muslim extremist as the bad guys then so be it.

[ilovemovies]

24 suffered some similar stuff. That's a show that's had american, british, european and russian terrorists as well as middle eastern, yet there were still complaints.


Whatever, religion sucks. All religion.

[Brando @$$ Fat]

Maybe so, or maybe I made a point that you can't respond to because you know I'm right, The Pope, nor any other Christian leader have ever pronounced a sentence of DEATH on anyone who blasphemes or puts down the Christian faith, and encourages his followers to carry out the sentence in due time. Now, if you have a productive counterpoint to that, let's hear it, or just admit your argument is lost "for my sake"...:D

No, it's because you always put those smilies at the end of every post...you can see where it might be misleading. For all I know you're just always a happy camper. You're an ok schmoe, so I won't try to be an asshole to you, but I will get everything off my chest. I will state my case and walk away, because I'm really getting tired of talking about religion since it pops up on every single forum nowadays. Really, to the point where I doubt I will feel the need to talk about it again. So here I go....

A brief glance at the Catholic Church's history, from the Crusades to the Lateran Treaty, would make any Muslim terrorist today shit themselves in fear. And when you ask when was the last time the Pope issued a death sentence, I assume you mean Benedict XVI. And ding ding ding, you are correct sir, because the man hasn't issued any death certificates. He's been a very good wil' boy, yes he has. The last several popes have not had the power to do this, because ever since the papal endorsements of Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany, the Vatican has been rightfully put in its own place. The Vatican is now nothing more than a gold-plated vacuum of credibility. Even if they wanted to start another Crusade, they wouldn't be able to assemble the masses the way they used to be able to. If the religious televangelists in America wanted to start a Crusade, the FCC would shut them down. After centuries of Protestant Christians using religion as an excuse for slavery and racial segregation, our system has been set up to put down hate within our own borders, and since World War II the system has been designed to put down hate across borders. Sadly, this only applies to Christianity. But give it time, because Islam is a younger religion. Wars will occur and leaders will be humiliated, and extremist Islam will be a neutered version of itself the way Christianity is today. This is how it's always been.

But, the Vatican isn't completely innocent. In today's church, any pro-choice politician and anyone who's been divorced is denied communion. Sounds like a violation of rights if you ask me, but that's a moot point. Let me also add that Charles Taylor, a Christian last time I checked, is on the same moral level as Osama bin Laden.

Your assessment that today's good ol' extremist Christians never mean anybody harm while Muslim extremists are always trying to kill people is, from a geopolitical perspective, a complete fallacy.

[Lindsey]

Anytime religon gets into the mix, threads tend to get waaaay out of hand.

What do you expect with a thread title like that? It sure got my attention. :p

[The Heart Collector]

24 suffered some similar stuff. That's a show that's had american, british, european and russian terrorists as well as middle eastern, yet there were still complaints.


Whatever, religion sucks. All religion.

The arab terrorists on 24 tend to want to destroy America and have lofty goals.

The non-arab terrorists either hate one dude or something and want revenge, or are just a few businessmen that want to make some cash, and obviously do not represent the interests of any state or people.

[JJFlamingo]

No, it's because you always put those smilies at the end of every post...you can see where it might be misleading. For all I know you're just always a happy camper. You're an ok schmoe, so I won't try to be an asshole to you, but I will get everything off my chest. I will state my case and walk away, because I'm really getting tired of talking about religion since it pops up on every single forum nowadays. Really, to the point where I doubt I will feel the need to talk about it again. So here I go....

A brief glance at the Catholic Church's history, from the Crusades to the Lateran Treaty, would make any Muslim terrorist today shit themselves in fear. And when you ask when was the last time the Pope issued a death sentence, I assume you mean Benedict XVI. And ding ding ding, you are correct sir, because the man hasn't issued any death certificates. He's been a very good wil' boy, yes he has. The last several popes have not had the power to do this, because ever since the papal endorsements of Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany, the Vatican has been rightfully put in its own place. The Vatican is now nothing more than a gold-plated vacuum of credibility. Even if they wanted to start another Crusade, they wouldn't be able to assemble the masses the way they used to be able to. If the religious televangelists in America wanted to start a Crusade, the FCC would shut them down. After centuries of Protestant Christians using religion as an excuse for slavery and racial segregation, our system has been set up to put down hate within our own borders, and since World War II the system has been designed to put down hate across borders. Sadly, this only applies to Christianity. But give it time, because Islam is a younger religion. Wars will occur and leaders will be humiliated, and extremist Islam will be a neutered version of itself the way Christianity is today. This is how it's always been.

But, the Vatican isn't completely innocent. In today's church, any pro-choice politician and anyone who's been divorced is denied communion. Sounds like a violation of rights if you ask me, but that's a moot point. Let me also add that Charles Taylor, a Christian last time I checked, is on the same moral level as Osama bin Laden.

Your assessment that today's good ol' extremist Christians never mean anybody harm while Muslim extremists are always trying to kill people is, from a geopolitical perspective, a complete fallacy.

Well thank you Brando, for an excellent response. :) The only two issues are Charles Taylor is not a religious LEADER I believe, just a wacko who thinks he's Christian. And not ALL Muslim extremists are on a kill-crazy rampage obviously, but there are plenty on the Islam pulpit who advocate death for their enemies, while any Christian leader would get tomatos thrown at them for saying similar things. And divorced people and pro-choice advocates not getting communion is a political choice. I'm sure being denied that ain't gonna kill them...:D

[ilovemovies]

Just to be fair, it equally annoys me beyond belief when Catholics bitch about movies like Dogma, Stigmata (actually, I don't know if they did bitched about this movie but they must have considering they are the bad guys in the movie) and The Da Vinci Code.

[echo_bravo]

Anytime religon gets into the mix, threads tend to get waaaay out of hand.

What do you expect with a thread title like that? It sure got my attention. :p

Lindsey, my bad. The thread title is probably inappropiate so sorry.:(


I just think its a little far fetched that SOME muslims should be bitchin about being portrayed as the bad guy...when in real life, the muslim extremist are looked at as the bad guy.

[Gordon]

Can we please close this motherfucker down right now?

[echo_bravo]

Apparently you can't understand that, so why is it your gripe?



Exactly how does a suicide bomber cause global warming, hunger, unemployment, genocide, racism, etc, etc, E.T.C...

maybe if U.S.A. didn't rape countries like Iraq, or establish their bases in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and other major middle eastern oil producers, people wouldn't be flying planes into buildings, or blow themselves up on the streets of Baghdad.

I've stated my gripe numerous times. You did make good points though. Muslim extremist arent soley responsible for global warming and hunger BUT they are definitely resposible for the majority of terrorism that is going on in this world.
And please dont try to justify 9/11...cause that will make you look foolish.:rolleyes:

[Lindsey]

Lindsey, my bad. The thread title is probably inappropiate so sorry.

Don't be sorry! I took no offense to that... But I figured others would. :cool:

[Digifruitella]

And please dont try to justify 9/11...cause that will make you look foolish.:rolleyes:

can you justify the war in Iraq for me? Thanks.

[MisterChristian]

Just to be fair, it equally annoys me beyond belief when Catholics bitch about movies like Dogma, Stigmata (actually, I don't know if they did bitched about this movie but they must have considering they are the bad guys in the movie) and The Da Vinci Code.

and The Golden Compass.

[Shinigami]

http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/13369/pd254366_s.jpg

[Gordon]

can you justify the war in Iraq for me? Thanks.

http://www.vnf.com/assets/htmlimages/Oil_Rigs.resize.jpg

[yorrick brown]

what are your thoughts on true lies?.


remember when the bad guys use to be evil russians all the time in movies.

I`m with M from casino royale when she said "God,i wish it was the cold war ."

[JJFlamingo]

what are your thoughts on true lies?.


remember when the bad guys use to be evil russians all the time in movies.

I`m with M from casino royale when she said "God,i wish it was the cold war ."

Great point Yorrick. Different eras require different villians. In the 40s it was Nazis, 50s it was Commies (not necessarily Russian), 60s it was right wing establishment, and so on, bringing us to today and Muslim extremists. So we're just acting out on film the basest fears of the ignorant...:)

[eljefe15]

I was going to chime in and say something but at this point, I don't think I should get involved. What could I possibly add? But I do have to say that the state of affairs in the world is more complicated and infinitely more serious than a fucking movie or people complaining about it. I'm actually disgusted with some of the things expressed here in this thread. Some are criminally uninformed while others are downright ridiculous; scratch that, more like fucking retarded. But we all have our opinion, even if some of us haven't earned that right. Here's an idea for a law:

The first amendment and voting should only be granted to those who have an IQ higher than 129 which is slightly above average.

[Cop No. 633]

Great point Yorrick. Different eras require different villians. In the 40s it was Nazis, 50s it was Commies (not necessarily Russian), 60s it was right wing establishment, and so on, bringing us to today and Muslim extremists. So we're just acting out on film the basest fears of the ignorant...:)

One minute it's Eurasia then it's Eastasia. And then it's Eurasia all over again. But of course, there always has to be an Emmanuel Goldstein.

[Shinigami]

This thread is going pretty good, you know. Although it started out heated, people are cooling off the more and more they elaborate their points.
...now that I've pointed out the obvious, and presented myself as calm, collected, and not likely to behead anybody for offending my religion/race/family, I do want to point out one thing here, okay. A straight white male has no rational right to tell minorities of any kind to take negative portrayals in stride. Bottom line. Don't be a dip'. In related news, if I hear one more pale soapbox telling folks "Hey! I don't mind when people call me cracker, so why the hell do black people freak if I say nigger?", I'm going to lose it. Listen up! When a movie makes fun of straight white men, of course they can laugh it off. They 'got nothing to be worried about. Their public image is the quarterback of the football team, here. But the same thing can't be said about some minorities. People always take this to be some tree-hugging PC bullshit motto, but it's common sense that doesn't have to be attributed to politics or stereotypes - it's a scary thing to have an evil public image. And if straight white men think their worldly stereotype of "uneducated american pig" is a tough thing to deal with, get some perspective. Having feorign movies portraying America's brave troops as corrupt criminals? That's nothing, and plenty of schmoes on this very website have bitched about it.
Yeah, sometimes people just have to calm down and enjoy a hollywood movie, and yeah, I think we'll get through this "war on terror" without enraged hicks publically lynching muslims, but jeez.

[echo_bravo]

can you justify the war in Iraq for me? Thanks.

Homie, you are gettin waaaay off topic. That has nothing to do with Iron Man. If you want to rant about how evil AmeriKKKa is then be my guest but take it to the politics forum.

[echo_bravo]

. A straight white male has no rational right to tell minorities of any kind to take negative portrayals in stride. Bottom line. Don't be a dip'. In related news, if I hear one more pale soapbox telling folks "Hey! I don't mind when people call me cracker, so why the hell do black people freak if I say nigger?", .

Holy crap dude!:eek: I would never be okay with anyone calling a black person the N word. So dont put words in my mouth. You are starting to sound like The Heart Collecter.

So you do feel that muslims have a legit gripe againist Iron Man? I am just curious.

[Shinigami]

Echo bravo, I'm not hitting at you directly with that one. Elsewhere I was shooting off your statement that muslims shouldn't be offended, but the cracker sentence had nothing to do with anything you said. I just saw a thread on joblo awhile back about somebody wondering why white people couldn't call blacks negros or something. It just flowed with everything I was saying. Entirely unrelated to you, though. But come to think of it, I probably put the rant too closely together with my reply to your thread and everything, so whoops on that one. People are pretty hotheaded about these sorts of topics, but I wasn't going so overboard. Part of the reason I didn't quote you specifically. I just had beef with straight white male majorities bitching about anything in the minority. That aside, even if the rest of my post was obviously replying to your thread, it was a totally generalized shout.

Anyways, I don't think Iron Man is a controversial movie. I can't speak for muslims (just straight white dudes), but...I think we can chalk this one up to dumbass on imdb. 'Few muslims are terrorists, after all, and iron man was going after the reality of things, so if you're going to get pissed, get pissed at extremists for giving your identity a bad public name, like you guys have said. I'm with you on that one. I do expect plenty of muslims to be really oversensitive about their public image though, especially in america. Again, the us isn't some mob, and nobody is going to be lynching muslims, but it's tricky territory. Hell, just look at this thread. :D

[Digifruitella]

Homie, you are gettin waaaay off topic. That has nothing to do with Iron Man. If you want to rant about how evil AmeriKKKa is then be my guest but take it to the politics forum.

I'm not getting off topic, I'm expanding it.

[Natty]

Why don't you change Muslims to Religious Lunatics, considering the Jews and the Christians have done complained about the same shit in much greater volumes.

Agreed, this thread should be closed, it belongs in the politics forum, wanting CERTAIN PEOPLE from religious communities to stop complaining doesn't really have anything to do with movies.

[Buck Turgidson]

take it to the politics forum. Outstanding advice.

Perhaps you should keep it in mind the next time you feel the urge lump 21% of the world's people in with a handful of dopes on the IMDB, or back up the ravings of a demented racist clod like Brigette Bardot with a lot of "LOLS" and smileys.

I avoid the politics forum because I don't want to see that stuff and be tempted to write how I really feel about it. I like this place and I'm not interested in getting banned from it over a relatively minor matter.

[Shockwave]

I'm not getting off topic, I'm expanding it.


Hahahah. Awesome.

Im so going to use that one.:D

[dellamorte dellamore]

Shame on them , the villains should have been well spoken , sophisticated Englishmen , that would have been more appropriate .

Personally , i'm surprised that there wasn't an uproar during the golden age of horror in the 80s , when every other psychotic serial killer was some middle class , middle age white guy with mommy issues , that offended on so may levels :) .

[Shockwave]

What we can take away from all this?

Everything offends everyone.

[smok3h]

I didn't even read this thread, but I must say the title made me rofl, so HEAR HEAR!

[FLAME_ON]

What we can take away from all this?

Everything offends everyone.

That, and everyone likes to let it be known they're offended.

[echo_bravo]

Echo bravo, I'm not hitting at you directly with that one. Elsewhere I was shooting off your statement that muslims shouldn't be offended, but the cracker sentence had nothing to do with anything you said. I just saw a thread on joblo awhile back about somebody wondering why white people couldn't call blacks negros or something. It just flowed with everything I was saying. Entirely unrelated to you, though. But come to think of it, I probably put the rant too closely together with my reply to your thread and everything, so whoops on that one. People are pretty hotheaded about these sorts of topics, but I wasn't going so overboard. Part of the reason I didn't quote you specifically. I just had beef with straight white male majorities bitching about anything in the minority. That aside, even if the rest of my post was obviously replying to your thread, it was a totally generalized shout.

Anyways, I don't think Iron Man is a controversial movie. I can't speak for muslims (just straight white dudes), but...I think we can chalk this one up to dumbass on imdb. 'Few muslims are terrorists, after all, and iron man was going after the reality of things, so if you're going to get pissed, get pissed at extremists for giving your identity a bad public name, like you guys have said. I'm with you on that one. I do expect plenty of muslims to be really oversensitive about their public image though, especially in america. Again, the us isn't some mob, and nobody is going to be lynching muslims, but it's tricky territory. Hell, just look at this thread. :D

Okay dude all is good. I just read you wrong then. Your posts are welcome here anytime!

[psycheoutsteve]

There are always going to be people who twist the events depicted in a film simply so they can label it anti- such and such. As said before, the main thing people should be careful about is saying that the terrorists in the film represent the Muslim community as a whole, because they don't. I'm sure the filmmakers didn't want to suggest that either, it's just that the main modern conflict with the U.S. is taking place in the Middle East and the film is more relevant that way.

Also, people should be careful about getting angry at those who do interpret this film as anti-Muslim and misdirecting their anger. They don't represent the whole Muslim community either.

The biggest problem with politics and movies is that people tend to generalize the thoughts and beliefs of a country when a government bans a film or a group of people speak out against it. A country is composed of many individuals with many differing opinions, many of which don't agree with the actions of their own government. I'm an American and I've had a problem with our president for some time, so I know what it's like to fear generalization because of one idiot.

I'm willing to bet there are plenty of Muslims out there who couldn't give a shit about the terrorist scenes in Iron Man. The film has an American as its central villain anyways.

[DME]

I'm just going to come in and say that whoever said Jewish people "never complain" must've missed that whole Passion of the Christ bit, or the uproar that hit TMQ writer Greg Easterbrook over his comments regarding Kill Bill, just to name a couple of things off the top of my head.

Nobody's immune to taking offense.

[The Postmaster General]

Well, at least Harold and Kumar don't have to take all the heat.

[killuminati003]

When was the last time the Pope put out a death sentence on someone who denigrated his religion?? :D

October 13, 1307 is the last time I remember...









But did I read correctly? Was this entire thread started over something that somebody on IMDb said? They would be proud to know that their trolling lead to a thread like this on more than one website...it's like it's on tour.

[Zeems McSnatch]

just my two cents: I'm German, and I'm not offended at movies like Indiana Jones 1 + 3, or every other movie which depicts germans a bad guys, especially set in the timeframe from 1933 to 1945.

Were there Nazis who laid waste to Europe and ushered in a very dark age in human history? Yes, most definately. Were all Germans Nazis at that time? No!

Are there muslim extremists who use religion as an excuse to spread terror and fear and kill innocent people? Yes, most definately. Are all Muslims worldwide hellbent on killing all "infidels"? No!

Nothing to do with the movie itself, just thought I'd chime in...

[psycheoutsteve]

[QUOTE=killuminati003;2746178But did I read correctly? Was this entire thread started over something that somebody on IMDb said? They would be proud to know that their trolling lead to a thread like this on more than one website...it's like it's on tour.[/QUOTE]


What's up with IMDb anyways and why do they have such a bad reputation for trolling on their forums? Can't anyone over there discuss something in a civil manner?

[crodger]

Who said they were Muslim...I just got back from seeing it and I'm not even sure what country they were centered in...they were middle east soilders...aside from that, who knows what they are or what they believe.

I believe it was Afghanistan. But you're post is still correct. The film never makes a point of saying "hey, by the way, these guys are Muslim." Favreau has merely updated the story to our times, and violence in the Middle East, while it has been occuring for centuries, is now the primary concern of the Western world. If Iron Man took place in 1970, Stark would have taken on the Viet Cong. There are other terrorist organisations around the world. For example, Rambo went to Burma. However, as Afghanistan is so familiar to the American public, it makes much more sense to set the film there.

Seriously, being offended by the fact that the terrorists were most likely Muslim is pointless. It would be like being offended by the fact the two main bad guys were bald. Bridges was bald and the leader of the terrorists was bald. What's the go there Favs?

[Monotreme]

What's up with IMDb anyways and why do they have such a bad reputation for trolling on their forums? Can't anyone over there discuss something in a civil manner?

Nope :)

Seriously, though... I definitely agree with the original poster. I don't think this movie is doing any more harm to the reputation of Muslims or Arabs than there already is; most people in the US and across the world for that matter think that the ultimate bad guys nowadays are Muslim extremist terrorists. It's not like this movie changed anybody's minds or thoughts. Besides, it's a silly cartoon, it's not a gospel. So you wonder why anybody would think why this would have an impact on anybody? It's like Zeems said; muslims or Arabs being offended that Afghani terrorists are the bad guys in the film is like Germans being offended that Nazis are the bad guys in the Indiana Jones films. And that's besides the fact that the MAIN villain in the film isn't even the terrorists but rather the American money-grubber Obadiah Stane. But you don't see capitalists getting on IMDb and complaining about how this movie shows them in a negative light...

[killuminati003]

What's up with IMDb anyways and why do they have such a bad reputation for trolling on their forums? Can't anyone over there discuss something in a civil manner?

It's just that their flaming rules are less strict, so, even tho they censor out most words, its ok to call someone a fucking tea bagging cum guzzling gutter whore of a dirt bag, if you start to lose an argument. Plus, it's easier to get a membership, which leads to a large number of trolls.

[MoovEDude]

Funny how when we see negative portrayals of Christians as "bad people" (Da Vinci Code, Mist, etc.), we don't hear much controversy, but when the precious MUSLIMS are denigrated (Iron Man, that dutch documentary, etc.), all they talk about is how they wanna kill people, and how horrible it is that they are portrayed that way, haha...:D

WORD :cool:

[Lost in Space]

It's just that their flaming rules are less strict, so, even tho they censor out most words, its ok to call someone a fucking tea bagging cum guzzling gutter whore of a dirt bag, if you start to lose an argument. Plus, it's easier to get a membership, which leads to a large number of trolls.

Because "seriously muslims, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!" is a civilized thread title, and by having such titles, we appear civil. JK, no homo.

[Lost in Space]

Nope :)

it's a silly cartoon, it's not a gospel.

I would argue they hold about the same weight.

[Lost in Space]

This thread is going pretty good, you know. Although it started out heated, people are cooling off the more and more they elaborate their points.
. In related news, if I hear one more pale soapbox telling folks "Hey! I don't mind when people call me cracker, so why the hell do black people freak if I say nigger?", I'm going to lose it.

way to contradict yourself. I don't think he said that at all, I think you incorrectly inferred.

[bigred760]

I didn't find the movie anti-Muslim or pro-American for that matter. I didn't see any American flags or pro-U.S. sentiment; hell, the U.S. military was a foe for a few minutes who tried to shoot down Iron Man in the middle of the movie. And they're buying weapons from Tony Stark at the beginning of the flick.


And Christians have "complained" about movies before . . . Catholics were in an uproar over The Da Vinci Code; the Pope has criticized the Harry Potter franchise; and Christians were opposed to the recent Golden Compass movie calling it a ploy to promote atheism to kids.

And of course, the Jewish community didn't appreciate Passion of the Christ too much.

People are pissed when they think they are being targeted in a negative light. It's human nature. And they're going to bitch and moan until they think somebody's listening.

[DME]

And Christians have "complained" about movies before . . . Catholics were in an uproar over The Da Vinci Code; the Pope has criticized the Harry Potter franchise; and Christians were opposed to the recent Golden Compass movie calling it a ploy to promote atheism to kids.

And of course, the Jewish community didn't appreciate Passion of the Christ too much.

People are pissed when they think they are being targeted in a negative light. It's human nature. And they're going to bitch and moan until they think somebody's listening.

Bingo...

[Shinigami]

way to contradict yourself. I don't think he said that at all, I think you incorrectly inferred.

See above, schmoe. I'm not calling anyone out here. Nobody has even said anything remotely close to that pet peeve I posted about. Not in this thread. I don't think I really typed clearly enough on that one though, so my bad. Or you're just jabbing. Either way, it was because plenty of the people in this thread are clearly a majority of some sort, bitching about how the minorities should take all of these negative portrayals in stride, just like them. As if their situations were anything alike. It reminded me of how annoyed I am by those white dudes that think they're being persecuted because they aren't allowed to say the n word - analogous, again, to some majority bitching about some minorities' "sensitivity"... like a minority should be as cool and breezy about public image as a majority favorite. Anyways, that was what I saw a lot of in this thread, and that was what reminded me of the topic.

But again, iron man is not a controversial movie. I'm not surprised the only complaints I have heard about it so far are on imdb. I was actually bummed out when iron man went with the bald american villain. I think the movie would have been better if they stayed global. Those parts were my favorite.

[hoojib127]

Let's face it: most (if not all) religions are basically mainstream cults; collections of folklore and superstitions. :rolleyes:

[Lost in Space]

Let's face it: most (if not all) religions are basically mainstream cults; collections of folklore and superstitions. :rolleyes:

By that logic, then theoretically all history is also simply folklore and myth.

[MadsenOMC]

This has to be the most asinine and misguided rant I've read here. Do you have a better source than the IMDB message board? I didn't read through the entire thread so maybe someone at some point mentioned a more reliable source than the notorious IMDB message board.

And nobody, nobody, complains about their portrayal in movies more than Christians. Most of the time they do it without even seeing the movie itself. I know others have already mentioned some examples, like The Golden Compass, the Harry Potter movies, and The Da Vinci Code. Nevermind that they also bitch & moan about countless other movies that offend them for various reasons.

Also, did it ever occur to you that in general Muslims might have a reason to be upset? Did you know that Muslims are the majority in 40 countries around the world? Do you realize that a vast majority of them do not want a theocracy and do not commit violent acts?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062202158.html

Seriously, read a book or something.

Dogma, The Last Temptation of Christ, Kingdom of Heaven. I believe those upset some Christians as well.

[Orson-Cockart]

I find U.S cinema (particularly Hollywood) too liberal and too attacking of their own nation. Its laughable that so many in Hollywood are wannabe communists, while at the same time reaping the multi-million pound/dollar benefits the West affords them. I'd like to see more films being made with a pro-American agenda.

[echo_bravo]

This has to be the most asinine and misguided rant I've read here. Do you have a better source than the IMDB message board? I didn't read through the entire thread so maybe someone at some point mentioned a more reliable source than the notorious IMDB message board.

And nobody, nobody, complains about their portrayal in movies more than Christians. Most of the time they do it without even seeing the movie itself. I know others have already mentioned some examples, like The Golden Compass, the Harry Potter movies, and The Da Vinci Code. Nevermind that they also bitch & moan about countless other movies that offend them for various reasons.

Also, did it ever occur to you that in general Muslims might have a reason to be upset? Did you know that Muslims are the majority in 40 countries around the world? Do you realize that a vast majority of them do not want a theocracy and do not commit violent acts?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/06/22/AR2007062202158.html

Seriously, read a book or something.

Dogma, The Last Temptation of Christ, Kingdom of Heaven. I believe those upset some Christians as well.

Haha of boy here comes Madsen on his high horse. He cant help but say something smug either like "Go read a book or something". Yet he says something hyporcritical like "And nobody, nobody, complains about their portrayal in movies more than Christians":rolleyes::rolleyes:

There were tons of threads on the Iron Man message board from muslims claiming that it put them in a bad light. Yes, Iron Man put them in a bad light NOT muslim extremist.

I also forget to mention that I have seen numerous postings from muslims on Religious/Muslim message boards about the Iron Man outrage. Its totally laughable because the film isnt attacking their religion directly at all unlike Dogma or some shit like that.

Maybe if Al-Queida and the rest of those backwards ass cavedwelling pieces of shits would stop terrorizing the world and blowing shit up...they wouldnt be portrayed as the bad guy MMMKAY?

[echo_bravo]

Dogma, The Last Temptation of Christ, Kingdom of Heaven. I believe those upset some Christians as well.[/QUOTE]

Well no shit dude. We all know that a number of Christians were upset about those films. And they need to STFU about it just like some muslims need to shut the fuck up over a simple little comic book film. Christ!

[MadsenOMC]

So your only sources are message boards? Do you really consider message boards to be reputable and reliable sources of information?

What does one terrorist group have to do with the millions of peaceful Muslims around the world?

[MadsenOMC]

Haha of boy here comes Madsen on his high horse.

Says the guy who initiated a rant that instructs all Muslims to shut the fuck up.

[Natty]

I'm in agreement with Madsen (and why the fuck hasn't this thread closed yet), you cannot take the word of two internet film-nerd Muslims as the word of (I think about 12%?) of the population.

[Gordon]

Nope :)

Seriously, though... I definitely agree with the original poster. I don't think this movie is doing any more harm to the reputation of Muslims or Arabs than there already is; most people in the US and across the world for that matter think that the ultimate bad guys nowadays are Muslim extremist terrorists. It's not like this movie changed anybody's minds or thoughts. Besides, it's a silly cartoon, it's not a gospel. So you wonder why anybody would think why this would have an impact on anybody? It's like Zeems said; muslims or Arabs being offended that Afghani terrorists are the bad guys in the film is like Germans being offended that Nazis are the bad guys in the Indiana Jones films. And that's besides the fact that the MAIN villain in the film isn't even the terrorists but rather the American money-grubber Obadiah Stane. But you don't see capitalists getting on IMDb and complaining about how this movie shows them in a negative light...

Two MAJOR flaws with this train of thought.

A) It's the perpetuation of ideas. People don't distinguish Muslim Extremist from practicing muslim. Capitalists might get angry if every motherfucking movie, show, website, journal, etc. portrayed them as evil because of a tiny portion of evil motherfuckers who were capitalists also.
B) They're angry because once again people aren't making a distinction and it's resulting with major impacts for entire countries.

[Buck Turgidson]

(and why the fuck hasn't this thread closed yet) An excellent question. This is a movie and entertainment forum, not a sounding board for people with extreme political agendas.

[echo_bravo]

So your only sources are message boards? Do you really consider message boards to be reputable and reliable sources of information?

What does one terrorist group have to do with the millions of peaceful Muslims around the world?

Hahaha I like how you make it sound like Al- Qaeda is made up of a handful of people.

I also like it how the only thing I was getting acrossed was that it should be OKAY for the Iron Man film to have muslim terrorists as the bad guys...thats it! Yet I got people coming at me with shit about the war in Iraq, Christians etc etc blah blah blah. fucking hysterically

[echo_bravo]

Says the guy who initiated a rant that instructs all Muslims to shut the fuck up.

Well I did mean SOME...not all. Sheesh arent we touche.;)

[killuminati003]

Because "seriously muslims, SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!" is a civilized thread title, and by having such titles, we appear civil. JK, no homo.

Yeah, you have a point. But the discussion has been at least somewhat restrained, if a little heated. I mean everything seems to be at least constructive. I mean I havent heard anyone call anybody a fucking tea bagging cum guzzling gutter whore of a dirt bag yet :rolleyes: . I mean...damn it...

[DME]

Hahaha I like how you make it sound like Al- Qaeda is made up of a handful of people.

I also like it how the only thing I was getting acrossed was that it should be OKAY for the Iron Man film to have muslim terrorists as the bad guys...thats it! Yet I got people coming at me with shit about the war in Iraq, Christians etc etc blah blah blah.

You seriously didn't expect to create a thread title crassly calling out an entire religious group--based on observations made on notoriously ignorant IMDB boards no less--and not have anyone take offense, did you? I understand that you've (clumsily and defensively) attempted to clarify your intent and position, but at some point you just have to accept that you said something exceedingly foolish.

And um...

fucking hysterically

...the consternation over this thread isn't cause to take it out on your chick. Relax man! (just a little joke folks... just a joke...)

[MadsenOMC]

Well I did mean SOME...not all. Sheesh arent we touche.;)

If you only meant some, why didn't you say that? Why not title the thread differently? "Seriously, some Muslims need to shut the fuck up." Or something like that. Don't act like I am touchy when you are the one who made the obnoxious and stupid title, as well as an overly broad generalization.

[MadsenOMC]

Hahaha I like how you make it sound like Al- Qaeda is made up of a handful of people.

Way to dodge my question. That means you do not have a good answer. I am so surprised.

[mrsilkunderwear]

Why dont admins lock this thread?

[Gordon]

Why dont admins lock this thread?

Because you touch yourself at night.

[Orson-Cockart]

Well no shit dude. We all know that a number of Christians were upset about those films. And they need to STFU about it just like some muslims need to shut the fuck up over a simple little comic book film. Christ!

Thankfully we don't live under a totalitarianist regime, we're entitled to voice our opinions. People are within their right to boycott films; while others are entitled to criticise the boycotts, I don't believe anyone needs "to STFU". We shouldn't have a society only for Christians, or for Muslims, or for Jews, or for Atheists, etc, we should accomodate everyone. Personally, I rarely take offense to anti-Christian films and certainly wouldn't boycott a film for such a reason, my faith is strong enough not to be affected by a differing view. But if its permissible to attack one group then all groups are fair game. We must all be allowed freedom of speech.

[mrsilkunderwear]

Because you touch yourself at night.

nothing to be ashamed of, i am sure 95% of people here do it.

[someguy]

so guys how about that LOST wasnt that last episode crazy omg

[echo_bravo]

Way to dodge my question. That means you do not have a good answer. I am so surprised.

Well for what its worth I think SOME Christians at least had a legit gripe againist such films as The Last Temptation of Christ and Dogma (I happen to like both films).

I mean this is fucking Iron Man that SOME muslims are getting mad about. They dont want to be put in a bad light at all. Even a stupid popcorn comic book film offends them.

Can you imagine if someone made a film called The Last Tempataion of Muhammad? Yeah, that wouldnt go over so well.

So if the mods want to either close this thread thats fine. I said what I needed to say. Or if they want to change the thread title to "SOME" because it got Madsen's panties in a bunch (seems like a lot of things do:p) then that is fine too.

[MadsenOMC]

Have you seen any Muslims standing outside of theaters protesting Iron Man? It seems like you are blowing things way out of proportion. Again, all you have to go on are some message board comments.

You know what gets my "panties in a bunch," as you put it? Idiotic rants and ignorance. It doesn't look like I'm the only one either, judging by some other comments directed towards you here.

And speaking of people getting their panties in a bunch, you certainly got pretty worked up because of some IMDB message board comments. It seems like a lot of things get your panties in a bunch. Doesn't take much apparently. I can't wait to see what you rant about next.

[Shockwave]

Im going to make a rant about how people ranting in the rant section offends me.

Motherfucker.

Just added that in to make my post into a min-rant. Rants must have swearing to add flavor.